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How Backdoor Protection Actually Works

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@daeimos23
@daeimos23 3 ай бұрын
The reason that the range is closer to 865 is actually really simple, but just obscure. In DotA, attack ranges are added to the Bound Radius, which is part of unit size. Towers have a bound radius of 144 (consider this how 'fat' the attackable portion of the tower is. you can attack both the closest and farthest edge of a tower with your max range, right?), and thus their attack range is more realistically like 844. But then heroes have a bound radius of around 24 on average, meaning that 700 Range, + Edge of Tower radius (144) + Hero Radius (24) = 868 true attack range. Hope this helps
@Aycheffe
@Aycheffe 3 ай бұрын
Damn, buddy knows his Warcraft 3 game engine, well done.
@GoodEveningDota
@GoodEveningDota 3 ай бұрын
damn
@daeimos23
@daeimos23 3 ай бұрын
@@Aycheffe Ahaha, thank you. Been playing since those good old days. Only recently got back into the game actually! Great videos btw ^^.
@MrMikopi
@MrMikopi 3 ай бұрын
This means, items which increase player size also increases their attack range?
@splintergp
@splintergp 3 ай бұрын
@@MrMikopi yes, i dunno if its specific to krill eater but tidehunter does get more attack range when they grow bigger
@Aaaaa-ls1zy
@Aaaaa-ls1zy 3 ай бұрын
im so early this video still has backdoor protection
@FahmiZFX
@FahmiZFX 3 ай бұрын
Pusher ain't pushing waves. Report.
@Sylar-451
@Sylar-451 3 ай бұрын
Your mom doesn't have backdoor protection
@komilovalyukobondmantaj232
@komilovalyukobondmantaj232 3 ай бұрын
​@@Sylar-451because I am your mom's boyfriend
@Deunstephe
@Deunstephe 3 ай бұрын
This video is HUGE. I have been unable to keep backdoor up on tons of games and have no idea why when there are no creeps inside the base until now. The fact that the disable range extends *outside* of HG makes sense, but feels pretty bad when you don't know about it. Thanks for the video, kappa!
@bulgantamiraltantsetseg1041
@bulgantamiraltantsetseg1041 3 ай бұрын
typing GG in all chat can bypass backdoor and destroy your own ancient
@kylemesser
@kylemesser 3 ай бұрын
The tower attack range is 700 for attack priority. If you are outside 700 in the radius of the tower you can click on enemy hero’s without drawing aggro. If you are inside the 700 and click on a hero the tower will now attack you since its attack range is 700.
@tarfernan
@tarfernan 3 ай бұрын
good addition to the video
@fennec-eq4ch
@fennec-eq4ch 3 ай бұрын
But 700 is aggro range , not the attack range.
@tagnati5585
@tagnati5585 3 ай бұрын
Wait, agro range is 500
@Aycheffe
@Aycheffe 3 ай бұрын
It's of course a cool discussion, but the video is specifically about backdoor protection, not tower agro.
@rlobbest
@rlobbest 3 ай бұрын
Thank you. I was just coming here to comment this. You’re absolutely correct.
@Trqiz
@Trqiz 3 ай бұрын
ah thats why heros like earthspirit or pudge can cheese with these strats and move creeps somewhere where they are stuck but disable the backdoor protection
@justtakeitac2028
@justtakeitac2028 3 ай бұрын
I don't see this strat being used recently, is this still doable? It would've been a nice additional info in the video.
@Trqiz
@Trqiz 3 ай бұрын
@@justtakeitac2028yea I’m also curious
@oninpo27
@oninpo27 3 ай бұрын
@@Trqiz its still doable, but it's hard to do due to the ancient Backdoor Protection being so large that u have to be precise at hiding the creeps at the trees and FoW.
@AalapShah12297
@AalapShah12297 3 ай бұрын
I was confused why gobble up would not disable backdoor until I recalled that it denies the creep upon landing. So it is not an exception to the backdoor mechanic, but rather a clever workaround to prevent people from disabling backdoor sneakily. As a pos 4/5 main, I regularly force staff creeps during pushes when our team is pushing against backdoor. Most of the times it won't change anything but sometimes it is that 1 second of damage that makes the difference between winning and losing.
@ytgtohka239
@ytgtohka239 3 ай бұрын
Thank you Adrian for the lesson. Everyone say "Thank you Adrian".
@travispadour3586
@travispadour3586 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, Adrian.
@wihartoaja6151
@wihartoaja6151 3 ай бұрын
THIS, IS, MIND, BLOWING. I thought my knowledge is already at divine level. But it looks like not even close to crusader
@raflyarafat4882
@raflyarafat4882 3 ай бұрын
ancient backdoor protection radius is massive, so it is always worth to push 2 lanes before going hg. vice versa, you want to clear every lane far up ahead when trying to defend it.
@SpaceRampage
@SpaceRampage 3 ай бұрын
I like using Dark Seer's surge on creeps late game to push a lane faster, especially with the level 25 talent that grants +350 surge radius to surge the whole creep wave.
@mahalsound4012
@mahalsound4012 3 ай бұрын
I do that with disperser also
@pedrowense8075
@pedrowense8075 3 ай бұрын
You can help creeps with Io and Earth Spirit too!
@asd-dr9cf
@asd-dr9cf 3 ай бұрын
I love your videos. Always straight to the point with the right amount of depth. The watch time to value ratio is always so high! Keep it up!
@TheLegendofLeo
@TheLegendofLeo 3 ай бұрын
kappa (Nice video! The range is way further than I thought after nearly a decade of playing.)
@Xenophoresis
@Xenophoresis 3 ай бұрын
Love the info. Didnt know base backdoor protection had a huge radius
@IRUSN4F
@IRUSN4F 3 ай бұрын
can you explain why radiant side has higher winrate rather than dire side?
@grapy83
@grapy83 3 ай бұрын
Hey there. Great content man! I watch all of it and learn so well 😊. Please make a few vids on following topics: - Medusa snake jump mechanic. It's often unpredictable - how evasions, resistances, lifesteals, spell amps stack - how can we noobs keep track of, control and take advantage of side objectives like Roshan, tormentors, side ancients, new exp runes etc. mostly these are ignored completely - how vision changes with daytime and specific abilities (night stalker) and how we can better use it like moon shard on mk while he sits on a tree?
@magified_mm
@magified_mm 3 ай бұрын
Also, why Jugger in Omnislash can jump on enemy you want if you hardly rightclick enemy during ulti
@tybanosaurus
@tybanosaurus 3 ай бұрын
its a good idea to tank the tower when sieging high ground to disable backdoor protection. doesnt matter if you are a squishy support so long as you are sure that the enemy cant burst you down (i.e. you have an escape skill/item) or if they are all dead
@hudanbayu8624
@hudanbayu8624 3 ай бұрын
when enemy glyph used. beside using our own glpyh, we can also protect targeted creep with some item or skill. ethereal, windwaker, earth spirit kick back/shard pull, pugna decrep etc.
@TheGreenHon
@TheGreenHon 3 ай бұрын
The backdoor protection of Tier 2 towers seems to be completely broken, it never comes back up (or comes up after a VERY LONG time, certainly not 15,5 seconds) even after lane creeps are killed
@tambarrameda517
@tambarrameda517 3 ай бұрын
Your videos are always insightful. Kappa!
@AlexAlex-sp7nb
@AlexAlex-sp7nb 3 ай бұрын
Would a possible strat be to teleport a lane creep from wherever as io into the base or can you not do that?
@MrTheeCrazy
@MrTheeCrazy 3 ай бұрын
your content is amazing bro, keep doing it
@theclayman841
@theclayman841 3 ай бұрын
Thanks, and with Jenkins posting his most recent NP strat I will use this newfound knowledge for evil.
@HappySmilingDog-d7u
@HappySmilingDog-d7u 3 ай бұрын
Yeah you just despicable! Hope you fail, cuz thats not how dota is played rn… dota is about teamplay
@Кодой
@Кодой 3 ай бұрын
The only thing you didn't mention is Backdoor still works when Anti-mage is around
@gideonsaputra3677
@gideonsaputra3677 3 ай бұрын
This is kinda information that everyone should know but can't explain detail about GG thank you adrian!!
@shlokjagushte
@shlokjagushte 3 ай бұрын
i’ve had 3000 hours in dota without knowing this
@banduk1804
@banduk1804 3 ай бұрын
On ld, i also use shard's roar and dispercer to speed up at least one creep through the lanes
@m136dalie
@m136dalie 3 ай бұрын
Guys I liked and subscribed and when I played Dota my ancient had unlimited backdoor protection with 99% damage resistance! It really works, give it a try.
@johnkent9654
@johnkent9654 3 ай бұрын
Is there delay time to reactive backdoor protection after clearing creeps
@MagneticMoustache
@MagneticMoustache 3 ай бұрын
Sick video! Will you be doing deadlock content?
@hamito6331
@hamito6331 3 ай бұрын
It is said that by undying tombstone when the enemy team reaches it , it would disable the backdoor protection , but i'm not quite short it works now because i'm on bed and it was a long time ago since i heard this
@temu1002
@temu1002 3 ай бұрын
lifestealer's infested neutral creep could disable backdoor protection back in 2015. i dont know if its fixed
@JohnPaulBuce
@JohnPaulBuce 3 ай бұрын
so this is why making a creep stuck in the trees near radiant bot jungle disables backdoor protection of the entire base, i saw a clip before but didnt know whats happening
@chrulumcdricz8037
@chrulumcdricz8037 3 ай бұрын
Now I know! As always thanks Adrian 😊❤
@armiddle29
@armiddle29 3 ай бұрын
always protect your back door guys
@hteiktinoo93
@hteiktinoo93 3 ай бұрын
Why is the backdoor for Radiant is in front of mid tower but for Dire is behind the mid tower?
@jessejamesb
@jessejamesb 3 ай бұрын
I always went by the badges before the tower that's gotta be more than 500 units further than I thought , no cappa
@brothabuzz
@brothabuzz 3 ай бұрын
Can you do a video on how Medusa's mana shield works? The description of it in game is very confusing. Damage per mana per level? Total Damage per mana = 0???
@Harbs3232
@Harbs3232 3 ай бұрын
very informative, ty for the video
@kagametzu
@kagametzu Ай бұрын
What about io relocate will it disable the protection ?
@gr18.n1k
@gr18.n1k 3 ай бұрын
What about the lane wolfs Lucan? Will they disable the backdor protection? Kappa (:
@GustavoOliveira-gp6nr
@GustavoOliveira-gp6nr 3 ай бұрын
You forgot to mention that when the barracks are taken down for the first time, the gliph is restored. It is not actually about backdoor protection but is related to pushing
@klauspeter3618
@klauspeter3618 3 ай бұрын
Can T3 bd protection theoretically be disabled before any T3? e.g. pudge hook
@SkeerdAint
@SkeerdAint 3 ай бұрын
adrian, did you notice that every 30 seconds, when the lane creep spawns from the base, the backdoor protection is disabled for a little while?
@alexandrunastasia
@alexandrunastasia 3 ай бұрын
What about dominated lane creeps?
@tagnati5585
@tagnati5585 3 ай бұрын
Towers have 700 atack range, the thing is that any atack range starts count not from the center but from the edge of the unit.
@kobi2643
@kobi2643 3 ай бұрын
saw a bug a few times when enemy team use glyph when creeps are about to arrive and backdoor continues working even tho creeps are here already
@adroitws1367
@adroitws1367 3 ай бұрын
why snap spit didnt work? isnt it repositioning?
@zzadrianzz
@zzadrianzz 3 ай бұрын
I think it had something to do with the fact that the creep dies (gets denied) in the process.
@adroitws1367
@adroitws1367 3 ай бұрын
@@zzadrianzz what if you glyph the creep before gobled? still denied?
@icariamcgordon358
@icariamcgordon358 3 ай бұрын
So spit up doesn't count but cookie does? I mean it cost aghanim and we crave some good play with it
@Yudoma_Jack
@Yudoma_Jack 3 ай бұрын
I think imp summon from WarLock still disable the backdoor protection. Is a old well know bug/trick
@dragondiego7
@dragondiego7 3 ай бұрын
Nice call e good explanation
@linakain8106
@linakain8106 3 ай бұрын
just a guess, but maybe tower attack range doesn't account for the radius of tower itself?
@NotAGamer-69-f2p
@NotAGamer-69-f2p 3 ай бұрын
underrated.
@jaapgerritsen84
@jaapgerritsen84 3 ай бұрын
I learned something new🎉
@joonas2587
@joonas2587 3 ай бұрын
I think you forgot to cover the cenario when building that had protection was under siege and lost it’s protection half way through. Then it will still regen health even when protection is down.
@drowsypodcast
@drowsypodcast 3 ай бұрын
do you think you could do a video about how pudges aghs actually works? the details don't explain it very well :') you're the best!!
@kepundota
@kepundota 3 ай бұрын
A year ago, I made a video about backdoor protection strategies. It might not be relevant to the current state of the Dota map, but I tried it on the new map with a little adjustment, and it still works I’m just too lazy to make a new video about it :)
@kksharm7736
@kksharm7736 3 ай бұрын
Good content I allways go backdoor Cheese strat
@gimmiegimson1748
@gimmiegimson1748 3 ай бұрын
I think the tower range might include the tower hitbox
@Overneed-Belkan-Witch
@Overneed-Belkan-Witch 3 ай бұрын
Imagine Nature Prophet can TP with creeps to disable those protection
@si_lelard
@si_lelard 3 ай бұрын
KAPPA!!!
@VanjulBhatt93
@VanjulBhatt93 3 ай бұрын
Nice info👌
@sherrietai
@sherrietai 3 ай бұрын
Can you do a video on secret shop items? Thank you!
@alisalehi773
@alisalehi773 3 ай бұрын
Nice info, thx
@hamsandwich347
@hamsandwich347 3 ай бұрын
thanks for the info now I can rat like a pro Kappa
@maximuslancaster5369
@maximuslancaster5369 3 ай бұрын
Nice insightful video, capa... capa? Capa**** idk...
@qwerty01010101abc
@qwerty01010101abc 3 ай бұрын
Thank you! I leаrned smth new about DotA
@wexoble442
@wexoble442 3 ай бұрын
tower has 700 attack range, you can outrange it with 701 attack range, but the visual indicators are weird, probably because its aoe
@bibobnest
@bibobnest 3 ай бұрын
Nature Prophet (Facet 2 & lv 25) and its treants can wipe buildings through backdoor like butter. I have been a victim of this once so when there's NP on enemy team I will keep a lookout on moving dots on my base. Kappa in the comments
@RutherfordBcrazy
@RutherfordBcrazy Ай бұрын
i swear i was sieging through backdoor once and it healed more than what it was at
@mattstepahead
@mattstepahead 3 ай бұрын
We have backshots protection video before GTA 6
@madcyber647
@madcyber647 3 ай бұрын
U right after i subscribe i got 5 win in a row with ringmaster
@frostytop
@frostytop 3 ай бұрын
Guys can someone tell me how to make so i have more vision around me, i see so many streamers having their camera much more above their hero and their vision is bigger , I'm not talking about the thing that's by default on the scroll wheel, idk how to explain but i hope someone can help me
@7616lydeth
@7616lydeth 3 ай бұрын
Wait, CM can deny tower? Gotta nerf CM next patch.
@macbagie
@macbagie 3 ай бұрын
you forgot to include that if a creep enters the area while you are attacking it during the BD protection, it will stop healing.
@xicheeal
@xicheeal 3 ай бұрын
and yet pro team just brute forces backdoor protection to win a game
@arshiatavakoli7667
@arshiatavakoli7667 3 ай бұрын
Kappa. i think if life stealer goes into creeps he can remove backdoor and enchantress also but not sure about others like chen and etc you can try it
@RTSEmir
@RTSEmir 3 ай бұрын
165 Collision Size + 700 Attack Range = 865 total range
@hoseinyazdaninejad714
@hoseinyazdaninejad714 3 ай бұрын
So much usefull tank you
@kennethkline7702
@kennethkline7702 3 ай бұрын
"Kappa in the comments so I know who the real ones are" What a wierd request...
@LimeFoot
@LimeFoot 3 ай бұрын
Great video kappa
@lazylonewolf
@lazylonewolf 3 ай бұрын
How do I disable QoP's backdoor protection though 😏
@michael-c.
@michael-c. 3 ай бұрын
Kappa ty for the video!
@Kefir_100
@Kefir_100 3 ай бұрын
Thsnk you Adrian gor explaining
@cinnamoonfang6104
@cinnamoonfang6104 3 ай бұрын
Can we talk about how to cheese the backdoor protection by repositioning creeps in an area they can get stuck into kappa
@varlsenjoyer
@varlsenjoyer 3 ай бұрын
I think I love U voice ❤
@TheDeadlyTrolls
@TheDeadlyTrolls 3 ай бұрын
Do Nature's Prophet treants remove backdoor? Also Kappa.
@savva2003
@savva2003 3 ай бұрын
No they don't
@TheDeadlyTrolls
@TheDeadlyTrolls 3 ай бұрын
@@savva2003 Ah ok thank you
@justboinky3810
@justboinky3810 3 ай бұрын
Kappa Now I know the purpose of dragging creep waves 😅
@amie2188
@amie2188 3 ай бұрын
i hear choochoo tower
@joshuabrunetti2001
@joshuabrunetti2001 3 ай бұрын
gamma
@biohazarcl
@biohazarcl 3 ай бұрын
Golden Kappa Check
@benjaminmclaren8782
@benjaminmclaren8782 3 ай бұрын
I refuse to believe this information. This smells like Kappa to me :)
@JockedEuls
@JockedEuls 3 ай бұрын
Kappa! 😂
@MolonyProductions
@MolonyProductions 3 ай бұрын
Man your description of backdoor protection is cap a.
@maximuslancaster5369
@maximuslancaster5369 3 ай бұрын
Ohhh kappa okay
@gorfinho1811
@gorfinho1811 3 ай бұрын
nice video kappa 💀💀💀💀
@1hourmusic761
@1hourmusic761 3 ай бұрын
KAPPA
@Allaxys
@Allaxys 3 ай бұрын
cappa or kappa?
@saalocins
@saalocins 3 ай бұрын
capa
@Novita4498
@Novita4498 3 ай бұрын
Kappa!
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