The reason that the range is closer to 865 is actually really simple, but just obscure. In DotA, attack ranges are added to the Bound Radius, which is part of unit size. Towers have a bound radius of 144 (consider this how 'fat' the attackable portion of the tower is. you can attack both the closest and farthest edge of a tower with your max range, right?), and thus their attack range is more realistically like 844. But then heroes have a bound radius of around 24 on average, meaning that 700 Range, + Edge of Tower radius (144) + Hero Radius (24) = 868 true attack range. Hope this helps
@Aycheffe3 ай бұрын
Damn, buddy knows his Warcraft 3 game engine, well done.
@GoodEveningDota3 ай бұрын
damn
@daeimos233 ай бұрын
@@Aycheffe Ahaha, thank you. Been playing since those good old days. Only recently got back into the game actually! Great videos btw ^^.
@MrMikopi3 ай бұрын
This means, items which increase player size also increases their attack range?
@splintergp3 ай бұрын
@@MrMikopi yes, i dunno if its specific to krill eater but tidehunter does get more attack range when they grow bigger
@Aaaaa-ls1zy3 ай бұрын
im so early this video still has backdoor protection
@FahmiZFX3 ай бұрын
Pusher ain't pushing waves. Report.
@Sylar-4513 ай бұрын
Your mom doesn't have backdoor protection
@komilovalyukobondmantaj2323 ай бұрын
@@Sylar-451because I am your mom's boyfriend
@Deunstephe3 ай бұрын
This video is HUGE. I have been unable to keep backdoor up on tons of games and have no idea why when there are no creeps inside the base until now. The fact that the disable range extends *outside* of HG makes sense, but feels pretty bad when you don't know about it. Thanks for the video, kappa!
@bulgantamiraltantsetseg10413 ай бұрын
typing GG in all chat can bypass backdoor and destroy your own ancient
@kylemesser3 ай бұрын
The tower attack range is 700 for attack priority. If you are outside 700 in the radius of the tower you can click on enemy hero’s without drawing aggro. If you are inside the 700 and click on a hero the tower will now attack you since its attack range is 700.
@tarfernan3 ай бұрын
good addition to the video
@fennec-eq4ch3 ай бұрын
But 700 is aggro range , not the attack range.
@tagnati55853 ай бұрын
Wait, agro range is 500
@Aycheffe3 ай бұрын
It's of course a cool discussion, but the video is specifically about backdoor protection, not tower agro.
@rlobbest3 ай бұрын
Thank you. I was just coming here to comment this. You’re absolutely correct.
@Trqiz3 ай бұрын
ah thats why heros like earthspirit or pudge can cheese with these strats and move creeps somewhere where they are stuck but disable the backdoor protection
@justtakeitac20283 ай бұрын
I don't see this strat being used recently, is this still doable? It would've been a nice additional info in the video.
@Trqiz3 ай бұрын
@@justtakeitac2028yea I’m also curious
@oninpo273 ай бұрын
@@Trqiz its still doable, but it's hard to do due to the ancient Backdoor Protection being so large that u have to be precise at hiding the creeps at the trees and FoW.
@AalapShah122973 ай бұрын
I was confused why gobble up would not disable backdoor until I recalled that it denies the creep upon landing. So it is not an exception to the backdoor mechanic, but rather a clever workaround to prevent people from disabling backdoor sneakily. As a pos 4/5 main, I regularly force staff creeps during pushes when our team is pushing against backdoor. Most of the times it won't change anything but sometimes it is that 1 second of damage that makes the difference between winning and losing.
@ytgtohka2393 ай бұрын
Thank you Adrian for the lesson. Everyone say "Thank you Adrian".
@travispadour35863 ай бұрын
Thank you, Adrian.
@wihartoaja61513 ай бұрын
THIS, IS, MIND, BLOWING. I thought my knowledge is already at divine level. But it looks like not even close to crusader
@raflyarafat48823 ай бұрын
ancient backdoor protection radius is massive, so it is always worth to push 2 lanes before going hg. vice versa, you want to clear every lane far up ahead when trying to defend it.
@SpaceRampage3 ай бұрын
I like using Dark Seer's surge on creeps late game to push a lane faster, especially with the level 25 talent that grants +350 surge radius to surge the whole creep wave.
@mahalsound40123 ай бұрын
I do that with disperser also
@pedrowense80753 ай бұрын
You can help creeps with Io and Earth Spirit too!
@asd-dr9cf3 ай бұрын
I love your videos. Always straight to the point with the right amount of depth. The watch time to value ratio is always so high! Keep it up!
@TheLegendofLeo3 ай бұрын
kappa (Nice video! The range is way further than I thought after nearly a decade of playing.)
@Xenophoresis3 ай бұрын
Love the info. Didnt know base backdoor protection had a huge radius
@IRUSN4F3 ай бұрын
can you explain why radiant side has higher winrate rather than dire side?
@grapy833 ай бұрын
Hey there. Great content man! I watch all of it and learn so well 😊. Please make a few vids on following topics: - Medusa snake jump mechanic. It's often unpredictable - how evasions, resistances, lifesteals, spell amps stack - how can we noobs keep track of, control and take advantage of side objectives like Roshan, tormentors, side ancients, new exp runes etc. mostly these are ignored completely - how vision changes with daytime and specific abilities (night stalker) and how we can better use it like moon shard on mk while he sits on a tree?
@magified_mm3 ай бұрын
Also, why Jugger in Omnislash can jump on enemy you want if you hardly rightclick enemy during ulti
@tybanosaurus3 ай бұрын
its a good idea to tank the tower when sieging high ground to disable backdoor protection. doesnt matter if you are a squishy support so long as you are sure that the enemy cant burst you down (i.e. you have an escape skill/item) or if they are all dead
@hudanbayu86243 ай бұрын
when enemy glyph used. beside using our own glpyh, we can also protect targeted creep with some item or skill. ethereal, windwaker, earth spirit kick back/shard pull, pugna decrep etc.
@TheGreenHon3 ай бұрын
The backdoor protection of Tier 2 towers seems to be completely broken, it never comes back up (or comes up after a VERY LONG time, certainly not 15,5 seconds) even after lane creeps are killed
@tambarrameda5173 ай бұрын
Your videos are always insightful. Kappa!
@AlexAlex-sp7nb3 ай бұрын
Would a possible strat be to teleport a lane creep from wherever as io into the base or can you not do that?
@MrTheeCrazy3 ай бұрын
your content is amazing bro, keep doing it
@theclayman8413 ай бұрын
Thanks, and with Jenkins posting his most recent NP strat I will use this newfound knowledge for evil.
@HappySmilingDog-d7u3 ай бұрын
Yeah you just despicable! Hope you fail, cuz thats not how dota is played rn… dota is about teamplay
@Кодой3 ай бұрын
The only thing you didn't mention is Backdoor still works when Anti-mage is around
@gideonsaputra36773 ай бұрын
This is kinda information that everyone should know but can't explain detail about GG thank you adrian!!
@shlokjagushte3 ай бұрын
i’ve had 3000 hours in dota without knowing this
@banduk18043 ай бұрын
On ld, i also use shard's roar and dispercer to speed up at least one creep through the lanes
@m136dalie3 ай бұрын
Guys I liked and subscribed and when I played Dota my ancient had unlimited backdoor protection with 99% damage resistance! It really works, give it a try.
@johnkent96543 ай бұрын
Is there delay time to reactive backdoor protection after clearing creeps
@MagneticMoustache3 ай бұрын
Sick video! Will you be doing deadlock content?
@hamito63313 ай бұрын
It is said that by undying tombstone when the enemy team reaches it , it would disable the backdoor protection , but i'm not quite short it works now because i'm on bed and it was a long time ago since i heard this
@temu10023 ай бұрын
lifestealer's infested neutral creep could disable backdoor protection back in 2015. i dont know if its fixed
@JohnPaulBuce3 ай бұрын
so this is why making a creep stuck in the trees near radiant bot jungle disables backdoor protection of the entire base, i saw a clip before but didnt know whats happening
@chrulumcdricz80373 ай бұрын
Now I know! As always thanks Adrian 😊❤
@armiddle293 ай бұрын
always protect your back door guys
@hteiktinoo933 ай бұрын
Why is the backdoor for Radiant is in front of mid tower but for Dire is behind the mid tower?
@jessejamesb3 ай бұрын
I always went by the badges before the tower that's gotta be more than 500 units further than I thought , no cappa
@brothabuzz3 ай бұрын
Can you do a video on how Medusa's mana shield works? The description of it in game is very confusing. Damage per mana per level? Total Damage per mana = 0???
@Harbs32323 ай бұрын
very informative, ty for the video
@kagametzuАй бұрын
What about io relocate will it disable the protection ?
@gr18.n1k3 ай бұрын
What about the lane wolfs Lucan? Will they disable the backdor protection? Kappa (:
@GustavoOliveira-gp6nr3 ай бұрын
You forgot to mention that when the barracks are taken down for the first time, the gliph is restored. It is not actually about backdoor protection but is related to pushing
@klauspeter36183 ай бұрын
Can T3 bd protection theoretically be disabled before any T3? e.g. pudge hook
@SkeerdAint3 ай бұрын
adrian, did you notice that every 30 seconds, when the lane creep spawns from the base, the backdoor protection is disabled for a little while?
@alexandrunastasia3 ай бұрын
What about dominated lane creeps?
@tagnati55853 ай бұрын
Towers have 700 atack range, the thing is that any atack range starts count not from the center but from the edge of the unit.
@kobi26433 ай бұрын
saw a bug a few times when enemy team use glyph when creeps are about to arrive and backdoor continues working even tho creeps are here already
@adroitws13673 ай бұрын
why snap spit didnt work? isnt it repositioning?
@zzadrianzz3 ай бұрын
I think it had something to do with the fact that the creep dies (gets denied) in the process.
@adroitws13673 ай бұрын
@@zzadrianzz what if you glyph the creep before gobled? still denied?
@icariamcgordon3583 ай бұрын
So spit up doesn't count but cookie does? I mean it cost aghanim and we crave some good play with it
@Yudoma_Jack3 ай бұрын
I think imp summon from WarLock still disable the backdoor protection. Is a old well know bug/trick
@dragondiego73 ай бұрын
Nice call e good explanation
@linakain81063 ай бұрын
just a guess, but maybe tower attack range doesn't account for the radius of tower itself?
@NotAGamer-69-f2p3 ай бұрын
underrated.
@jaapgerritsen843 ай бұрын
I learned something new🎉
@joonas25873 ай бұрын
I think you forgot to cover the cenario when building that had protection was under siege and lost it’s protection half way through. Then it will still regen health even when protection is down.
@drowsypodcast3 ай бұрын
do you think you could do a video about how pudges aghs actually works? the details don't explain it very well :') you're the best!!
@kepundota3 ай бұрын
A year ago, I made a video about backdoor protection strategies. It might not be relevant to the current state of the Dota map, but I tried it on the new map with a little adjustment, and it still works I’m just too lazy to make a new video about it :)
@kksharm77363 ай бұрын
Good content I allways go backdoor Cheese strat
@gimmiegimson17483 ай бұрын
I think the tower range might include the tower hitbox
@Overneed-Belkan-Witch3 ай бұрын
Imagine Nature Prophet can TP with creeps to disable those protection
@si_lelard3 ай бұрын
KAPPA!!!
@VanjulBhatt933 ай бұрын
Nice info👌
@sherrietai3 ай бұрын
Can you do a video on secret shop items? Thank you!
@alisalehi7733 ай бұрын
Nice info, thx
@hamsandwich3473 ай бұрын
thanks for the info now I can rat like a pro Kappa
tower has 700 attack range, you can outrange it with 701 attack range, but the visual indicators are weird, probably because its aoe
@bibobnest3 ай бұрын
Nature Prophet (Facet 2 & lv 25) and its treants can wipe buildings through backdoor like butter. I have been a victim of this once so when there's NP on enemy team I will keep a lookout on moving dots on my base. Kappa in the comments
@RutherfordBcrazyАй бұрын
i swear i was sieging through backdoor once and it healed more than what it was at
@mattstepahead3 ай бұрын
We have backshots protection video before GTA 6
@madcyber6473 ай бұрын
U right after i subscribe i got 5 win in a row with ringmaster
@frostytop3 ай бұрын
Guys can someone tell me how to make so i have more vision around me, i see so many streamers having their camera much more above their hero and their vision is bigger , I'm not talking about the thing that's by default on the scroll wheel, idk how to explain but i hope someone can help me
@7616lydeth3 ай бұрын
Wait, CM can deny tower? Gotta nerf CM next patch.
@macbagie3 ай бұрын
you forgot to include that if a creep enters the area while you are attacking it during the BD protection, it will stop healing.
@xicheeal3 ай бұрын
and yet pro team just brute forces backdoor protection to win a game
@arshiatavakoli76673 ай бұрын
Kappa. i think if life stealer goes into creeps he can remove backdoor and enchantress also but not sure about others like chen and etc you can try it
@RTSEmir3 ай бұрын
165 Collision Size + 700 Attack Range = 865 total range
@hoseinyazdaninejad7143 ай бұрын
So much usefull tank you
@kennethkline77023 ай бұрын
"Kappa in the comments so I know who the real ones are" What a wierd request...
@LimeFoot3 ай бұрын
Great video kappa
@lazylonewolf3 ай бұрын
How do I disable QoP's backdoor protection though 😏
@michael-c.3 ай бұрын
Kappa ty for the video!
@Kefir_1003 ай бұрын
Thsnk you Adrian gor explaining
@cinnamoonfang61043 ай бұрын
Can we talk about how to cheese the backdoor protection by repositioning creeps in an area they can get stuck into kappa
@varlsenjoyer3 ай бұрын
I think I love U voice ❤
@TheDeadlyTrolls3 ай бұрын
Do Nature's Prophet treants remove backdoor? Also Kappa.
@savva20033 ай бұрын
No they don't
@TheDeadlyTrolls3 ай бұрын
@@savva2003 Ah ok thank you
@justboinky38103 ай бұрын
Kappa Now I know the purpose of dragging creep waves 😅
@amie21883 ай бұрын
i hear choochoo tower
@joshuabrunetti20013 ай бұрын
gamma
@biohazarcl3 ай бұрын
Golden Kappa Check
@benjaminmclaren87823 ай бұрын
I refuse to believe this information. This smells like Kappa to me :)
@JockedEuls3 ай бұрын
Kappa! 😂
@MolonyProductions3 ай бұрын
Man your description of backdoor protection is cap a.