How Bad Is This AI Music? Let's Listen

[@teemulusua3725]

The irony that we're automating the production of art instead of the jobs everybody hates shouldn't be lost on us.

[@VideoArchiveGuy]

Actually, AI is automating EVERYTHING, art OR tedious jobs.

[@maxonmendel5757]

​@@VideoArchiveGuybut we blue collar people still get up at 5am every morning to help your ai generated world run. workers deserve better.

[@tammy1001]

​@@maxonmendel5757AI is coming for white collar jobs not blue. For once you are more safe than others when big changes are happening.

[@VideoArchiveGuy]

@@tammy1001 AI is coming for any job it's possible to do using AI. Some jobs - typically skilled crafts - will be immune. AI will not be doing finish carpentry or installing cabinets anytime soon, nor many jobs in the construction trades, for example.

[@herroberbesserwisser7331]

​@@tammy1001if jobs are automated by ai why aren't the workers happy? If automization happens, doesn't it help the people? Less work needs to be done so less people have to work for the same quality of life as production can increase.

[@attichatchsound-bobkowal5328]

Some Pop music has been so quantized, processed and formulated that it might as well be AI.

[@transformationgeneration]

well said. @Genious.

[@recordednowhere]

exactly. pop has been working towards the artificial sound for so long, it just made it easier to cross the gap. most other genres are equally as guilty though.

[@vaporman442]

The ironically funny thing about that is that AI is making it possible to bring a more human feel to quantization (randomizing small timing fluctuations to make it sound less robotic.)

[@noneatallatanytime]

There really is no difference. It is just one more added step of automation.

[@recordednowhere]

@@vaporman442 random is not the key. I think the timing fluctuations have to be fractal in nature.

[@matslarsson5988]

I think a bigger problem with AI is kids not understanding why they should learn to play instruments or paint a picture when they can get instant results without having to work for it. I hear that kind of questions on repeat like a mantra from young people at the moment. Playing guitar and drawing has been what gives me energy to go on day after day. Taking that away from coming generations would be a sad thing indeed.

[@ericporter1255]

Agreed. Kids nowadays are hunting for that instant gratification that only short cuts can provide. Imagine dropping your kid off at the local music store for his AI lessons

[@katrinavons.]

I'm in an burnout rehab center right now, and guess what? Patients get to do therapies which involve creativity all of the time! Painting, drawing, pottery, sculpting, music,... They learn to express themselves and their feelings and feel joy - again. This is what art is for, in my opinion. Don't let kids and adults rob themselves from this source of joy and aliveness. Humans need all of this "useless stuff" to stay sane.

[@matslarsson5988]

​@@katrinavons.Good luck with burnout rehab. Sounds like something I'd need.

[@hesselvanderkooij4825]

Agree with you so much. This was NOT what we got promised 20 years ago when AI was just a Dream.

[@dominusblandus]

same but different: my trainee asked me why there should be live-concerts at all if you could just play the (perfect mix) music from tape... he said he never has been to a proper musicfestival or rock-conert. I think its a strange lack of experience the real deal.

[@NietsdlogKram]

“If I knew where the good songs come from I’d go there more often.” - Leonard Cohen

[@christibbotts4410]

for all the real musicians out here, nothing will kill the joy of musicians making music together jamming

[@braulindisla-elburrodelaba5361]

True

[@ssmithstudios]

Absolutely. I'm physically disabled and music saved my life. I'm a mixer, guitarist, songwriter, etc...I found purpose in making and producing music. Is it always good? Nah. I try though, and I have fun doing it.

[@jeremyhilton6]

You'll see

[@danamundy1187]

I totally agree!!! 👍🏽👍🏽

[@chrisishoy7924]

The second Boston album had disclaimers: “No synthesizers used, No computers used.” We need a new disclaimer, “No A.I. used”.

[@chaos120]

I think at least one rage against the machine album says something like "all sounds created by guitar"

[@chaos120]

Some people will lie

[@staggerlee7301]

@@chaos120I’m pretty sure every Rage album had that, but I could be misremembering

[@davidbroadfoot1864]

"No computers used" implies "no AI used."

[@louiebee6745]

70s Queen albums as well.

[@charlesdoca7145]

So glad I'm 62 and grew up listening to real music! Enough with fixing everything to death. Let's go back to singers who could sing and players who could play. Imperfections are beautiful and the risks are thrilling.

[@OZRIC1985]

AMEN!!!

[@Invisible-Rhino]

you sir are gold

[@JohnSmith-pn4it]

60 yo here and I couldn't agree more!

[@Flagrazi]

Thank you 55 here

[@SusanHarris-Hummert]

Karen Carpenter needed nothing. Her voice was velvet and spot on each time.

[@madbug1965]

I've followed artists like Jackson Browne and Bruce Springsteen my whole live. I've grown up with them and grown old with them. I don't think AI generated music can give me that kind of life experience..,

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

@@FREEDOM_OR_DEATH_ Lossless earbuds?

[@Gustavo_PerezRamirez]

The problem is new audiences don't really care where the music comes from as long as it is catchy enough to use it on their lame TikTok's and IG stories.

[@josephmayfield945]

Art has becoming disposable commodity to the general public. They don’t care.

[@thirstyhorsemongolia6264]

Never a truer word spoken.

[@andrewichigo]

The issue will be the newer generations who'll be bombarded with this kind of music instead. We can rely on past expeirences and their associated sounds. The peopel really delving into music in 5 to 10 years will only have human-less sounds churned out by the baker's dozen every hour by a computer.

[@busterjumper1]

“This music is still better than the Spotify top ten!” Funniest Rick quote EVER. Love your work mate!❤

[@Guitar_by_aalataur]

It was from the chat

[@axecalibore]

I think that's probably true. Real music is in a lamentable state of disrepair nowadays.

[@u.v.s.5583]

Truth hurts! Nothing funny there, sad reality :))

[@jguitar23]

So glad I started learning guitar before AI music went mainstream! Nothing can compare to the satisfaction of producing notes with your own fingers! Trains your brain, soul & body at once♡

[@xn--fci]

I agree that AI generated content should not be copyrighted... because an AI modeler can run continuously to build every conceivable chord, tempo and melody combination; which would cripple any real songwriting.

[@sdrc92126]

I wrote a program to do that 20 years ago. The problem was most sounded like crap. But I searched for the theme to _Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind_ in the output and found it.

[@Cyber.Lynx.]

Took the words right out of my mouth. It would be the realization of the infinite monkey theorem only with lawyers. Shoot me now, please.

[@nathan87]

This whole argument must re-examine the fundamental reasons copyright was invented to begin with and whether they apply to AI generated music. In short, copyright should apply to work that is the result of substantial human labour done without compensation, to allow the author to be compensated after the fact. Hitting a button and generating music in a fraction of the time that it would take a traditional musician is simply not that, so copyright should not apply.

[@sdrc92126]

@@nathan87 A human can always say that they wrote it and ai had nothing to do with it.

[@jameshughes3014]

Damien Riehl and Noah Rubin already did something like that, in 2020. I don't think it required AI to do it.

[@ethanp1erce]

I’m getting major keyboard demo track vibes from all these

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

Those demo tracks are written and recorded by people.

[@nickmonk7945]

I couldn’t put my finger on it, but you’ve summed up what I thought nicely

[@joethompson9124]

I guarantee they only used stock royalty free music to train it. Garbage in, garbage out.

[@Strideo1]

Just like a lot of generic music used in various ads right now.

[@zomaa777]

AI may be able to mimic sequences but the spirit of what makes music transformative is still found within the creative soul of minds breathing in songs. Computers do not feel, sleep nor dream....

[@zxbc1]

People used to say that about creative writing, and look where AI is now. It's only a matter of time, trust me.

[@curtisbryce5096]

It is like autotune, yes it can hold the note BUT singing is about hitting the note, not sustaining it. . . . . . what the hell do I know?

[@gp33music41]

Record companies won't see it that way

[@TallicaMan1986]

Creative soul is too abstract for it to matter. I dont know why humans keep insisting on these unquantifiable abstract things to differentiate us from machines, conciousness and soul cant be defined, detected heard or felt. Its literally Not Going to matter and youre dishonest if you like a a piece and then suddenly dislike it after finding out its Ai. Its not a matter ofif, but when it will start fooling anti ai people. Its already happening in art.

[@chadlyb8914]

Very romantic idealism 🫣

[@rmatson]

RB, Profound gratitude for the video and keeping us updated on developments. I hope there'll always be a place for human musicians who play live music.

[@jameshughes3014]

when doing traditional image art, i feed sketches to AI to help make reference images, and it has boosted my creativity and helped me expand as an artist, even though I don't use the AI in my final image. I suspect this kind of thing will be the same with AI music. Just a new tool in the toolbox as far as I'm concerned, I'm excited for it.

[@robotron07]

people don’t understand that AI is a refined tool that is most effective when you have the basis of your craft down, to create quality products with its help you are better off when you lñknow how to draw pint play etc the more you know the best results you will produce in collaboration with AI

[@jameshughes3014]

@@robotron07 yeah I can understand that. I feel like traditional artists who haven't played with the stuff only see the generic output that floods the net, and it kind of makes them think it's all trash. It's cool, you can make good music with a rubber band and shoe box, and good art with a pencil. Or use computers or synths.. as long as you're expressing yourself, imo

[@johng1412]

@@jameshughes3014 what AI are you using? I am interested in using it just as you have described.

[@jameshughes3014]

@@johng1412What I use is almost a year old, so probably outdated but I like it. I've got a half way decent video card so I installed automatic1111 locally, which is an interface. It makes installing the rest of the stuff pretty easy. Using that I installed stable diffusion, and the addon called controlnet. controlnet is really what unlocks the great image to image features that let me feed in my sketches, and its all on my PC so it doesn't take forever and cost any money. If you have an nvidia card with enough VRAM, just look up vids about automatic1111, it'll walk you through the steps.

[@qwertyzxaszc6323]

Far better than most of the canned music I hear on KZbin videos. I have a feeling we are entering the golden age of background music on KZbin videos. lol

[@Invisible-Rhino]

it will make it exactly like that though no golden age - just the capturing of what you currently hate and it's elevation to the new high standard

[@darkmatter4752]

Can't wait to hear how your testimony goes!! I wish you would break down a Big Wreck song. They just dropped another EP yesterday called Pages 1

[@zesvo]

What a solid soulful band!

[@RockessentialTim]

This is gonna put a lot of infomercial composers out of business

[@BurnsRubber]

You mean, like all of them. 😂

[@RickReasonnz]

And this is the target of these companies. I find the chat hilarious how they found this 'bad' when these tunes are not made for the high discerning musician in mind. For filler segments, for tv/radio ads, background of videos, these tunes are really going to find their place.

[@RockessentialTim]

Exactly! My guess is we're already hearing it constantly and just don't realize it @@RickReasonnz

[@zxbc1]

And in a few years putting all entry and amateur level freelance musicians out of business. You might be skeptical but that's how it is regarding text and programming already. It's only a matter of time.

[@arqoo1907]

​@@zxbc1so genuine, or real, musicians need to adapt. Playing "live" music will be one way to differentiate yourself from a robot. Singing with an accent, playing your instrument with a unique style, using clever and/or meaningful lyrics or poetry should all allow differentiation. Or maybe us musicians need to release videos alongside our uploads - to prove we're not AI and that it's really a human singing or playing... Once AI gets its hands on the nuclear button it won't matter anyway 😅

[@gerrycoogan6544]

I'll start panicking when AI starts to produce masterpieces such as Glenn Miller's "Chattanooga Choo-Choo", Sinatra's "I've Got You Under My Skin", Procul Harum's "A Whiter Shade Of Pale", The Beatles' "Strawberry Fields Forever", "A Day In The Life", "I Am The Walrus", Paul Simon's "Graceland" and "Rhythm Of The Saints" albums, Steely Dan's "Aja" and "Gaucho", Ray Davies singing "Waterloo Sunset", "Sunny Afternoon" or "Dead End Street", Neil Young performing ""The Needle And The Damage Done" or "Old Man". And that's just a few from the top of my head. "Supper's Ready". "Bohemian Rhapsody". "Like A Rolling Stone". And so on. The problem with AI is not that it is going to reach the heights of musicality which makes it indistinguishable from great art. The problem is that the listening public is being dumbed down to the point that they now accept utter shite as the equivalent of great artistry in the field of music. I'd rather hear a bum note in a Beatles, SInatra or Dylan classic than endure a sterile, antiseptic, unhuman AI construct which doesn't even come close to reaching my soul and spirit.

The best thing they could do is have input as a simple piano sheet or tab, then convert them to proper music, with all kind of instruments, arrangements,...

[@ts4gv]

You're right, AI will be subpar but good enough to totally wreck the industry. But then it will get better than the Beatles. There's no reason to believe there's an upper bound on capabilities. Also AI extinction theories make too much sense to be ignored to the extent that they're currently being ignored. We need to shut it down immediately.

[@KnightmareUSA]

Ambient style is calm, simple and generally easier to accept. It's harder to mess it up

[@edwoll]

Nobody's laughing at the white hoodie. Don't be paranoid about your hoodie. Nothing wrong with the hoodie.

[@kevincummins3438]

Better than the Spotify top ten------ great, hilarious but so true. 🇮🇪🙏

[@lschexnaider]

The question is whether AI can create entirely new type of music? I just bought an actual couple of CDs to rip: Kind of Blue by Miles Davis and Take Five by the Dave Brubeck Quartet. Will AI ever be able to take everything in a certain genre and make something really new like those two albums?

[@RobCavalloMusic]

After 4 years of listening to AI music, I still remain with my first thought: what makes human music "human" is the "reason why" you write music. The reason why you write is the engine of all the structure, the melodies, and the mixing that comes afterward. AI has no personal reason to write music, so no matter how similar to humans is going to sound, people (especially non-musicians) can feel in their guts it has no reason to compose, and as a result, they eventually find the song dull, at best.

[@newfreenayshaun6651]

Intention. AI cannot produce this.

[@DoNuT_1985]

​@@newfreenayshaun6651Not yet.

[@maxmonies]

AI is a tool that requires a human to operate it. That's where the intention comes from. The ability to create incredible nuance and phrasing is coming when enough material is ingested and broken down in a musical way. We have already seen this with MIDI and loops - they get more and more nuanced in terms of feel. And in the end, something can be completely "stiff" and still have a vibe like Kraftwerk.

[@whatabouttheearth]

It's the flaws that give it space and flow of structure though a lack of rigidity. Straight lines do not exist in nature (technically straight lines are always a myth even when made by computer), real music comes with the "flaws", the free flow that stems from "faulty" human beings.

[@maxmonies]

@@whatabouttheearth But you can "humanize" computer music to make it play sloppy if you want. Once again, I think this is all about the time that these systems will need to ingest and be able to understand what is going on and what people like. Ultimately all music is programmable in terms of pitch, time, velocity and timbre. A computer would be able to read a classical score and compare any live recording to that score to see how it was actually played down to the millisecond. If the person creating AI music knows what they want they will be able to coax it out of the system.

[@bbellefson]

So far, those AI clips have all the personality as a Casio preset.

[@jessejordache1869]

Hey, that 16-beat preset got me hyper as a little kid.

[@shyboy2112]

give it 6 months

[@vandpiben]

Its not AI its automated statistics

[@jessejordache1869]

@@vandpiben That's sort of what modern AI is: massive amounts of data that spit out polynomials until you get an output that you want. Unless you're arguing that AI isn't TRUE AI, since it's not symbolic logic like the early attempts at AI were, which is defensible. I'd like to know what the target is for music: the AI has to be able to distinguish between "wack" and "street banger!" when it's learning.

[@vandpiben]

@@jessejordache1869 "intelligence" requires a value system in order to differentiate between good and bad. Life has this in build because every cell is fighting for its life/replication. The ego is a super structure of this. A computer doesnt have this hardwired in every neuron. It is dictated by us, what to prioritize or not. Thats just a "tool" without integrity/self-reliance, its nothing but a better calculator. Pareidolia is the phenomena of spotting faces in the sky, it doesnt mean there are faces, it just looks like it. AI is a scam in the sense that it is being marketed as if it was more than just numbers being indexed, filtered and ordered, when it is nothing more than just that. It looks like it has a "self" but it is really just numbers being shown like a face in the sky. And people fall for this. Thats how they are being tricked. Disclaimer: I work with "AI" in a quantitative hedge fund.

[@JerryTheVeganRockstar]

Sounds like early midi, which sounded like a player piano. Look where midi is after 30 years. This will develop faster. Keep an eye on it and learn it. But overall it makes me miss my Roland R8 drum machine

[@Quinceps]

The multilanguage thing is a great idea 🎉

[@KitagumaIgen]

It seems as if it will be "challenging" to get AI to make anything with purpose - artists, writers, musicians, anyone really makes stuff with some purpose, while AI mainly makes stuff because someone pushes a button. The difference might not be too big on the run-of-the-mill eurodisco song or airport-bookshop novel, but other than that I think we will notice.

[@kevinvitale8980]

Agree… I think AI will ‘train’ future generations this your new expectations. Mediocre, bland works. They will not know what is good if all they are is exposed to this drivel.

[@kyleyoungmusic]

7:03 that subtle roast… 😂 This is too good. Great upload, Rick 😂🔥🙏

[@whatabouttheearth]

Then he says "it's better than the Spotify top ten" 😂

[@javatar1900]

the word was tumbling in my mind, and you said it! regurgitate! Some of what you played felt like an 80s time machine. I am 66, I will always remember years ago, the first time I play Yes Fragile for my son, almost 40. He was stunned.

[@To.Si.Ma.]

Those first acoustic tracks sound like ethno-teletubbi stuff. Funny thing is that music in the 80s, 90s and beyond already turned into AI level. Next do Flamenco, Jazz, Jazz-Rock, Bossa Nova, Psychadelic Rock.

[@TangibleAndroid]

Facts

[@GlennJackson-d8e]

They will be using this for hold music on the phone.

[@yurkshirelad]

My peeve is, what was used to train this model, and how much of that original material is in this generated music and do they have the copyright for the source?

[@mtae5]

I've been trained my whole life on existing music. Is it copyright infringement if I make music now, having been influenced by all the music I have heard?

[@yurkshirelad]

@@mtae5 will you copy chunks of existing music directly into your compositions? Subconsciously, you may accidentally borrow from an existing tune, but that's a stretch I admit. This is the same problem facing software projects that were used to train AI without permission. Chunks of code appeared in AI generated code, without permission and contradicting the license the project(s) were released under. It's a real problem.

[@hillehai]

@@mtae5 And you're a human being, not a software. This really all boils down to this: Do we want to value and protect human creativity like music, art, writing and so on, or do we want to extinguish it for the sake of "efficiency" and cheap imitations of human creativity? Unfortunately you, like many of those defending AI art, are on the side of "efficiency" without truly understanding the consequences of what you're advocating for. It's sad.

[@pvanukoff]

@@hillehai Face the facts, at the end of the day, whatever is most commercially profitable to the large players (corporations) is what is going to win out. We (individuals) can value and protect human creativity as much as we like, but corporations value profit over all, and, like it or not, the world is run by corporate interests. I'm not defending that - I think it's awful - but it's just reality. Over time, it will be harder and harder for people to make a living off of creative endeavors.

[@BirdYoumans]

My take so far on AI is this. I haven't listened to much of it, but did hear some "Beatles" stuff. While it did indeed sound "Beatlesque", it did not sound fresh. For those that remember, every time the Beatles released new music, it had basically moved on from the last album and always had something new and fresh to offer. The AI stuff just sort of takes bits and pieces of their "signature sound" and rehashes it so to speak. But here's how I would use it. When I sit and play "sounds", or patches from my synths or sound files, it puts me in a certain mood when I hear certain things and causes me to go places I probably would not go "sitting by the river" so to speak. So as I was listening to some of the things you were playing, most was junk, but there was a gem or two in there that might trigger an emotion or a "beat" or a texture, that sort of thing within me. But if you take that germ and then put the human mind and emotion into it, expand it and actually play the parts, I can see where a hybrid could be quite good. I suppose you could say use it for inspiration. It's going to come down to mining the gems from the dirt and separating the stone and then cut and put the polish on it to get it ready for the setting. Just one man's thoughts. And don't forget, only one out of a thousand records made by humans is worth listening to as well. And it might not even be that good of a percentage. We just mostly never hear the junk because it doesn't make it to the charts.

[@angela_somanythings5670]

Yes, I agree. I also think some of the comments are from people only catching the gems because the rest of the song is so BAD 😅

[@samanthacollier8933]

12:56 thats called “drum and bass” music Rick! Would love to see some electronic music content on your channel 😅

[@Rib13Bass]

Its important to remember that we are at the beginning of this technology........imagine 20, 30, or 50 years from now ( providing anyone is around to listen at that time)

[@recordednowhere]

with all due respect, but please look up how quickly AI image generation evolved from nightmarish weird digital paintings to full blown photorealism and adjust your timeframe slightly🫠

[@nessy9022]

If I made a living as a jingle writer I'd definitely be looking to branch into other fields asap.

[@oasisbeyond]

Imagine when AI wins album of the year. It will happen eventually.

[@onesong2001]

It can't be any worse than an Ed Sheeran album.

[@ThorD4602]

​@@onesong2001 it'll probably sound identical

[@georgemcduffey2622]

I agree with you that 100% AI generated music should Not be allowed to be copyrighted. It should go straight to public domain...Then, if a human/band wanted to "cover" the song they'd have the right to their version of it.

[@mitchellcutler2888]

I can see this being useful for background music in instructional or product videos and that's about it. That or anything on Spotify.

[@datfly3034]

It may be pretty bad now, but it’ll get a lot better - and probably sooner than expected. As others have said, the fact of its existence is concerning enough.

[@staggerlee7301]

Concerning and honestly just depressing. Sad to see so many embrace the idea of it imposing on and maybe even snuffing out human expression. I’d like to remain hopeful. But yeah, we’ll find out because there’s no getting off this ride.

[@colinjames2469]

dream on

[@ralphbenitez4407]

When we are no longer working because AI replaced us in our jobs, I’d like to see how the government is going to get AI to pay taxes.

[@pvanukoff]

@@ralphbenitez4407 The concept of humans working is going to become obsolete and sooner than we think. No telling what's on the other side of that hill, but it's going to be painful getting there.

[@dylanemmanuel8915]

If you can smoke two joints, and AI music starts making you feel something, then we have a problem

[@ereceeme]

A good course on music appreciation specific to certain music genres would be great.

[@babakhouman]

Dear Rick, it’s always a pleasure listening to your voice and watching your videos. Did you ever consider offering bass lessons?

[@dunebillydave222]

Thing is I don't care whether AI generated music is good or not. I don't just want to hear good music. I want to hear music from the brain and soul of a fellow human being. I want some tiny speck of insight into another human being's heart.

[@youthofyesterdayrecords]

Same.

[@Harmonic_shift]

You won’t be able to tell which is which. And AI will lie to you and create a fake human that makes the art. Anything digital is difficult and becoming impossible to trust.

[@W1LDTH1NG]

Amen!

[@bobrandom5545]

I don't believe you. Music touches you or it doesn't. In the age of AI, are you gonna check if every song that you hear is made by humans or AI before you decide if you like the song? Of course you won't. You like the music, or you don't like it.

[@michaelblankenau6598]

Well , if one can’t discern whether it’s AI or human generated what difference does it make ?

[@robshift]

Rick kicks AI's butt with arpeggios and doesn't break a sweat. Nothing can beat a real musician for connecting to people. I also notice the Soundraw app didn't have jazz in its genre options.

[@recordednowhere]

so... the real musicians who put their art and music into soundraw are inferior? or did you think all this was AI generated music? See the lines getting blurred?

[@robshift]

@@recordednowhere Yes I agree that the lines are blurred, and will only get more so. But I can only go by my gut response to what I heard. The AI music presented left me cold. Rick playing arpeggios didn't. To be fair, much of modern music leaves me cold. I hate the autotuned vocals, the quantized rhythms, the over use of the same chord structures. It works fine in some genres such as dance music, but not in others. The problem for me with the AI music that was in this film is that to me it was the musical equivalent of having a pallet of beautiful colours that you can mix together, but without taste or skill you end up with a pastiche of art at best, or grey-brown sludge at worst.

[@recordednowhere]

@@robshift i totally get how you don't connect to 'modern music' (yes not all modern music is the same, there is a definitive countermovement, but it's comparatively tiny) . I feel the same way. In an ironic way, popular music dug its own grave by progressively getting more artificial. Quantizing everything to the grid, using samples instead of drums, pitch correcting vocals, comping lines down to syllable level...I have used all of these, but this helped getting people get used to inhuman music. This development can be seen across genres.

[@robshift]

@@recordednowhere What's that line in Fight Club? Everything becomes a copy of a copy of a copy. The tools we have now have aided that and like you say, our ears have become trained to over machined music. I am an old fogey but I do listen to modern music as I am always keen to find something new. And like you say, it's out there. People will always want to pick up an instrument and create something. That's why I don't really have great concern about AI music. It will fulfil a job that it is good at doing, and almost certainly there will be a point where it won't be worth paying people to make certain genres of music (general pop, some dance, some ambient) because AI does it well enough. But no one wants hamburger all the time, sometimes you want steak.

[@whatabouttheearth]

​​@@recordednowhere What are they? "real musicians" that can't think of more than 3 four chord based progressions? 😂 We're not dealing with Bach here, or even Dimebag Darrel or Ani DiFranco.

[@darmac8519]

Would love to see or hear congressional hearing if you can get a recording of it....good man rick ❤

[@jpelliz]

You should try Suno next as it has generated vocals and lyrics as well.

[@relaxmax6808]

Oooh Yeah !

[@gunty752]

Yeah sunk is next level

[@jeanhing]

yes Suno AI is really surprising. You need to test some keyword combination. You get at the end a prototype song that is better than a lot of amateur bands.🤐

[@recordednowhere]

try putting 'live' or 'practice' into a suno prompt and witness how it obliterates the notion that ai can't do human.

[@kokopelli314]

The phrasing and articulation of lyrics in Suno is amazing. I would use this as a teaching tool

[@MaxTooney]

As if the musical accompaniment isn't bad enough on KZbin videos, we have THIS to look forward to. Yeesh!

[@N8oRMusic]

Low quality mp3 sound is BACK, baybee!

[@batautomat]

There should be a mandatory silent digital watermark in all AI created music, either in the inaudible data area or in metadata so that it is easy for the US copyright office to determine what percentage of the music is AI. Right now you can claim it’s human generated and the office has little resources to police it.

[@buckbreaker5185]

joo

[@MichaelRoyal]

Do this episode again as an update in 2 yrs, let's see how far they get with Generative A.I. They will machine learn every song ever made and build from that in a unique way. The World is changing.

[@osman01003]

garbage in garbage out

[@funnyfromadam]

It already learned tons of music genres, styles, and structures. You can make it 5 times bigger (almost impossible i think) and it will still create generectic music. Music it's not like visuals. Also, all existing music in the world will never cover the full spectrum of human creativity.

[@michaelschneider603]

Now let's see how long it will take for a first episode of "What makes this song great?" on a fully AI generated song. :-)

[@timgant7141]

By an AI generated Rick Beato no less!

[@blainekelley816]

As laughable and bad so many of these tracks are today, it won’t be long before AI-generated music is the norm in a lot of what we hear … 😢

[@onesong2001]

@@blainekelley816 Like all crap music, only if you choose to listen to it.

[@joethompson9124]

​@@blainekelley816 This whole comment section is such a circle jerk for "the good old days" when music was "real" or whatever. Just listen to and support what you like, and ignore the rest... apparently that's too much to ask.

[@N8oRMusic]

It all sounds bad yet it's 99.99% of what's playing on the radio.

[@kevinmcnamee6006]

Music was one of the first things to be impacted by AI, only they didn't call it AI back then. They called it Band in a Box which was released in 1990. Give it a chord sequence and a music style, it could generate music that wasn't too bad. Later editions used real samples from famous solo artists to generate novel solos in a variety of styles.

[@kencory2476]

Rick's memory lapses dovetail very nicely with AI's inadequacies.

[@danytalksmusic]

Rick is starting to look like Obi Wan 😂

[@srwaite7]

😂😂😂

[@whatabouttheearth]

😂😂😂😂

[@imagiro1]

Any information on how the AI avoids accidentally violating copyrights? After all it's producing melodies, and finding a new one is quite a challenge.

[@texasamericanpatriot8535]

Copywrights are over with AI music. We can't stop it, it's out of the gate.

[@spiritlevelstudios]

​@@texasamericanpatriot8535you'll still get flagged for uploading pre-exisiting music to KZbin. But for AI voice cloning is the wild west. You both can and probably should take any and every voice that you like and create art with it. Can't get sued if you're broke anyway, so nothing to lose as usual.

[@TheCruisinCrew]

Everything in terms of melody and chord progressions basically has been written already... it's just the question if it's worth suing for... if it is, there will be a suit! ;)

[@spiritlevelstudios]

@@TheCruisinCrew melodic progression possibilities are infinite. Otherwise there would be no such thing as new music. It's very easy to write brand new sounds, as a human. Very enjoyable also.

[@TheCruisinCrew]

@@spiritlevelstudios Sure, almost infinite possibilities, but most sound like crap and the good ones are far fewer, particularly in pop music. You'll see more and more lawsuits where something just sounds "similar" if there's any chance for money to be extracted... ;)

[@aurematic]

Waiting for a SUNO video. That AI is crazy. It creates a full song, bad sound, but full arranged song.

[@EdArmGuitar]

Some Suno songs sounds too good!

[@FrancisMaxino]

You should explore the AI employed in GarageBand and Logic Pro. You can assign a drummer to play along to your recorded or MIDI tracks. You can tweak the drums used and business of them and stuff, it really did a good job with it and kind of sounded like a real drummer and beats using an ever looping its pattern drum machine.

[@chadillac2501]

Rick, I just purchased your Black Friday bundle. It's a great value. Do you ever plan to offer your ear Training course in app form?

[@jeroenneve5807]

Didn't computer assisted composition of pop music already start with Stock, Aitken and Waterman? I should be grateful. They turned me to discover the music of the seventies.

[@rogerramjet6615]

No S, A & W used electronic keyboards and sound sampling to produce various tones but the songs were written by human.

[@ChuffingNorah]

SAW would really say: " I should be so lucky - Lucky, Lucky, Lucky!" 🤣😁

[@rogerramjet6615]

@@ChuffingNorahYes. I think it could be argued that Jason & Kylie are AI robots.

[@louiebee6745]

​@@ChuffingNorahHaha well said!👍

[@DenisDeS-Pb]

The Art is The message from one Person to another. Not just an algorythm

[@kellecetraro4807]

Here's one to think about... If artists sell the rights to their catalog what's stopping The new rights holder(s) from training an AI engine to generate new music from that artist, without the artist's permission or having to pay them? Thats spooky and It's beginning.

[@topdawg3359]

Imagine if you could reach all over the world with your videos in every language

[@albertoramone2]

Spanish subtitles

[@1ouncebird]

That would be terrifying if used by the likes of a Putin or a Trump. Fascistic lying in all languages? Yikes!

[@augustfeola8347]

In the early days of CDs, some companies (Telarc comes to mind) listed the equipment (microphones and monitors) and even the instruments used in the recording. Taking a cue from this, maybe the AI software in use should be given non-monitized credit like the other tools used in the production. If Recorded on BASF tape. BASF didn’t get any more than the cost of the tape. Maybe artists will sign up with certain AI software like they sign with guitar companies.

[@cmdr_sludgehammer]

That's a really good point. The medium doesn't collect the royalties. I like it.

[@stevelaferney3579]

Nope. Just AI created. Nothing else that will ever give AI any legal foothold over anything.

[@stevelaferney3579]

Now by manipulating parts Rick you are making the decisions so you are now the creator using sounds.

[@stevelaferney3579]

Given the beat that hip-hop uses it doesn’t take that much effort.

[@stevelaferney3579]

Yeh, but AI lacks that human Emotion, sentient experience that can never be the equivalent by a computer. That’s what AI is “A computer.”

[@M4TCH3SM4L0N3]

Unfortunately, I have seen how even the truly most abysmal writing has taken over my wife's field of freelance writing and editing. The biggest issue is that even though nobody wants to accept AI writing, they still expect the price of real writers to come down in line with the absolutely massive number of shitty spam accounts selling their work for nothing with absolutely no quality control. They don't care if people give them poor ratings because their prices are so low that people will still hire them, and they churn out garbage in no time, so they still come out slightly ahead. Meanwhile, the writers who don't have significant client bases and don't drop their rates aren't getting contracts or the work they do get is way underpriced for the client expectations. It's obscene.

[@hillehai]

It's so depressing that this is the way we're moving. As someone who is just starting to have some success as a composer, knowing that I probably won't be able to get any work in a few years and any music I create will be burried between thousands upon thousands of AI-generated pieces is just crushing. I wonder what the great composers, artists, writers etc. that came before would say to something like this. I almost feel inclined to call AI "art" an 'abomination' at this point.

[@M4TCH3SM4L0N3]

@@hillehai take heart! No, the industry you work in will not be the same, but it never would have been, either - that's not the way our world works these days, and there was always going to be change, upheaval, and drudgery in the future. Still, that doesn't mean it will be all bad or that the effects will be permanent! You will learn to adapt to the new circumstances or find another way to earn a living while doing what you love, or maybe things might get so bad that society finally wakes up from the corporate-worshipping materialistic nightmare we're all collectively upholding and decides to fight for the right of all workers to earn a fair income with enough leisure time to engage in creative pursuits on their own time without sacrificing sleep, sustenance, or shelter, and you will be happier laboring at another job while still creating beautiful things but for the joy they bring you rather than for a living. Probably not that last one, realistically, but possibly a blend of all of those things. Que será, será.

[@monomixer]

Half of audiojungle sounds like this already. So I’d say it’s not too bad for low budget video production

[@patriciojofre8531]

Thank you so much for this content. It is really interesting to see what it is and is not possible to achieve with AI. I don't know if this is the place to ask you, but anyway I'll do it. I love the content of your channel, and I've learnt a lot about how to understand and appreciate music with you; but do you think in future (far or close) it would be possible for you guys, as crew production, to have interviews with musicians from other parts of the world, aside of Europe and The States? I'm from Latin America, and I know for the fact that I always observe your streaming live chat that you have a lot of fans in other parts of the world; and also I know (and I know you know) in Latin America there are great musicians. Well it is just an idea. If it's not possible I will go on watching your videos, because are always fun and full of good information. Thank you so much for everything you do for music.

[@jessiehermit9503]

He never reads his comments. Also, he should have Juanez.

[@cozmicpfunk]

The Electro/Dance, Ambient and Hip Hop genres seem to be the easiest to emulate in AI. It makes total sense to me if you start with the computer and music generated in the software, it should be easier to sequence patterns together. I can see if a few years with the development of the Acoustic sampling algorithms that it will catch up and sound better. Remember in the 70's when synths first hit the scene- synths now sound like organic acoustic instruments with the sampling and playback algorithms. It will evolve to a standard when they algorithmically sample/record/reference every single band and composer in the world. That is when we will be having the conversation "can you tell the difference". Now it is like we are in the 70's talking about sampling...

[@benjaminhawthorne1969]

I can certainly see that happening as you say. Today we are having the conversation, "Can you tell if this is "Pitch Corrected?" Tomorrow, we will be asking, "human or Artificial Intelligence Computer?" As is, in the 1970's we asked, "Is it live or is it Memorex?" 😂

[@cwmmegas8319]

Nice analogy

[@recordednowhere]

I have fooled real people and musicians with AI music already, and I feel true breakthroughs are just around the corner. This is not gonna take as long as it took for the whole sampling thing to take over (10-15 years?). Also, 'AI' is much cheaper already than the first "samplers" were, which surely factors in.

[@cozmicpfunk]

@@recordednowhere I have not used any AI for music, but like any other software, if you know the tricks and features you can do almost anything creative given the limits :)

[@eyeflow]

May my grandchildren have the choice to listen to musicians like you Rick. The path music is taking today seems to be en route to becoming AI.

[@Miam_miam_la_gauffre]

I believe people are going to grow tired of AI creation. After the "wow" effect have gone done, people will realized that what they truly value in art is the fact that it was made by someone like them, that experienced life like they are. And those that will still cling to AI stuff well... not my problem, they probably feel miserable inside.

[@ajlambe1340]

AI is at ground zero in terms of music. I can imagine it improving in terms of complexity but not in terms of genuine feeling. It will be able to create beats and dance music pretty easily as time goes on, I’m sure it will. But deliver a song like Bruce Springsteen’s Highway Patrolman or Neil Young’s The Needle and the Damage Done or Cohen’s Suzanne. Don’t hold your breath.

[@donthompson567]

The hoodie looks good on you Rick. Just bought a bearskin hoodie for myself. The technology is amazing and I'm sure artists will use it to create songs and then just play them themselves. No more writers block. I created a few songs that I really like but I would rather play them myself.

[@Paschendale2]

If there's an AI voice model of Rick's voice, it is customary to make it sing Rap God by Eminem.

[@jmd489]

Rick definitely needs to check out Suno AI. Their new v2 model is the best music generation out there at the moment. It's hit or miss, but had a few tracks that blew me away.

[@michaellambert3182]

Rick, this is a must-see. I played with it last night it actually sounded pretty good and gave me some great ideas for a song score that I had been working on.

[@whatabouttheearth]

Where does this end?

[@paulgillespie542]

Think of a musician like Jeff Beck. Its going to be a long time before AI can create like him. His techniques and feel are a result of live performance involving subtle overt genius.

[@whatabouttheearth]

😂 It's time to get weird as fuck and trashy humanity, we gotta confuse the machines. They'll never mimic my drunken whammy bar technique

[@onesong2001]

AI doesn't create. It rearranges.

[@onesong2001]

@@whatabouttheearth or just turn them off.

[@whatabouttheearth]

@@onesong2001 Right...just like people thought it would be easy to not give a government listening device cell phone, until the technology increased in ubiquity and surrounded everyone becoming a staple of modernity itself. It won't be as easy as turning it off at certain point. This will completely change music and society forever, the question is to what extent is society going to shun computer created media in favor of the real thing produced by humans. You see the trend popping up in the SAG strike as well, where Hollywood studios were trying to make contracts with background actors where they would scan them and than use their likeness in "perpetuity", essentially across all space and time was the wording of the contract. ALL media is threatened to be swamped with barely distinguishable machine productions imitating real humans, machine productions that can learn by themselves because that is how they're programed. And if a code can hop through the internet and stowaway it could hypothetically survive attempts at destruction just as a virus can after it's programmer releases it. This isn't a simple turn of events, and this doesn't correlate with human played instruments like synthesizers, because their development wasn't to be autonomous and self learning. There are different types of AI, the self learning, deep learning type is what you need to worry about, it can collect more data than a human and humans store almost all documents and media on the internet. This is more than just mere assembly of components.

[@limassoljudobysavvas5352]

8:05 that was cold

[@georgeherman8826]

Rick you should review Suno AI and Udio AI

[@CANNIMAGINE]

After watching one of your videos on AI music I got on Suno and had it write me a song about music being created by AI. It came up with two song versions called "Gone With the Future" and they are excellent the lyrics it came up with are unreal, and it captured the concept of AI writing songs instead of humans.

[@SOUNDRAW_global]

We’re not here to replace real musicians. Only make royalty free music accessible to everyone and help make the music creation process more efficient All our beats and sounds are produced in house by us, our AI just puts it together in unique ways Real Musicians + AI = 🔑

[@slowfinger2]

A.I. music sounds like it's just good old "Band In A Box", with a really good sampler. 🤣👍 Actually, since I have an old version, I think it has way more "feel" than the A.I.

[@Nebula37]

I'm also very interested in the methods record companies use to created 'payola' by using AI to boost (or create) "plays" of certain artist's songs on Spotify and KZbin.

[@someidiot4570]

I'm not sure what you think ai is but it's not used for faking streams. it's almost always click farms in third world countries and bots that load web pages

[@Nebula37]

@@someidiot4570 I'm not sure what you think 'faking streams' means, but I didn't mention that. AI could be used to generate, say 100 "Best of 2023" playlists that actually include songs from 2015 - 2021 by a selected group of artists. The songs might then be picked up by a counting algorithm as 'plays' and by having hundreds (or thousands) of playlists the chances that random users might find them during a "Best of _____" playlist search are much higher. AI could also be used to generate random positive comments on these playlists to boost views. "Wow! I really love this playlist!" "This is the best music." etc. Meanwhile the artists from the playlists get thousands more worldwide 'plays' due to this dodgy arrangement ultimately leading to awards for "most plays ever" or "2 billion plays" (or whatever) when the actual number of legitimate plays has been vastly exaggerated.

[@JONSEY101]

I would suggest trying ' Suno A.I ', it might just surprise you. Create any style of song about anything you wish. It generates the music, lyrics, and even the singer/s. The free version gives you 50 credits a day to use while there are other paid models. It will give you around 50 seconds or so of the song on the free version but in others, you can create full, complete songs. Give it a try.

[@barrieflix]

Don't quite understand : a) if I download SOUNDRAW do I get the same set of tracks Rick has here, with a growing library? b) is it an audio file or MIDI or data file - in essence can you change the sample voices c) if I take one of these pieces, put it into my workstation, chop it up and manipulate it and add to it, and score a big hit - then who owns it?

[@mikewa2]

I've got to admit it's getting better (Better) A little better all the time (It can't get no worse) I have to admit it's getting better (Better) It's getting better since you've been mine Getting so much better all the time!

[@harrisontownsend910]

Love the Beatles reference.

[@roob67]

I'd love AI to write a Miles Davis/ Jimi Hendrix collaboration record.

[@BrianKlobyGuitar]

Some of the AI tracks have some interesting things happening but... very, very sterile stuff... I've always felt that AI will never be up to par with music created by real musicians... even if those musicians may be employing synths and midi instruments... it will still be better..there is no substitute for human creativity... and feel🎸☕

[@pvanukoff]

"Never" is a dangerous word.

[@davidjohnston710]

I agree! The problem with these AI tracks is that they are overly repetitive in phrasing and don’t vary their attack on individual notes much. The repetitive nature is boring and mind-numbing. AI seems not to have a sense of when the ear tires of hearing the same phrases. Ouch. But then, so does a lot of hip hop and rap, IMO.

[@BrianKlobyGuitar]

@@chingonbass 🎸☕

[@BrianKlobyGuitar]

@@davidjohnston710 🎸☕

[@marcosmontanhes]

I released an album "Synthetic music with incidental sweat", composed of songs generated by AI, with my lyrics, some instrumental insertions, and some manual editing, and in my opinion it was very good musically. I imagine when we can actually use it fully as a creative tool. Creativity remains the essence of art.

[@StephGV2]

That stuff would make some pretty good royalty free background music for KZbin videos. It's the equivalent to low cost royalty free music for background in video or podcast content. Either the human musicians that make that music now up their game, or their livelihood goes extinct.

[@whoiswillsims]

This is such an interesting topic. I typically record live, but I’ve been messing around with sound design in Ableton which feels a little like cheating sometimes. But at least it’s something I’ve made and feels like it comes out of my influences and experiences.

[@Harmonic_shift]

Rick have you seen the AI covers of songs? They’re pretty dang good.

[@joshuabolwerk5536]

Where can I hear that?

[@Harmonic_shift]

@@joshuabolwerk5536 KZbin look up any ai SpongeBob cover lmao

[@IvorThomas]

I think Scott Adams’ view that art is all about the connection of the artist and the art is on point. We respond to how awesome some people can become. AI gives you absolutely zero of that. I will change my mind if some AI properly trained comes up with completely fresh and awesome new harmonies , melodies, and rhythms. How about a complete new system of microtonal music that pleases the human ear?

[@IvorThomas]

@@artistaccount disagree… humans creating awesome things for other humans to perform is still awesome (occasionally). Ai creating a novel song for a human to perform? Let’s see what happens.

[@IvorThomas]

@@artistaccount as a Bacharach lover for example, I gotta say I appreciate songwriters a helluva lot.

[@nickrr5234]

People used to say that it would be decades before AI mastered the game of Go. However, in 2017 AlphaGo beat the world champion. What's more, it sometimes did this by making moves that no professional Go play would have ever made, so it wasn't just copying human strategies. For better or worse, the capabilities of AI are going to increase dramatically over the next few years.

[@PaulGillings]

Great video as always Rick. I’ve been using the AI drummer in GarageBand on my Mac for a few years now and I love it. All the drums on my last album were all AI generated, no one has been able to tell that they were not the genuine article.

[@youthofyesterdayrecords]

Is the AI drummer perfect? Or are there imperfections timed in to create a groove? Because perfect rhythm can't groove. I was in a band that used a drum machine. No matter how emotional we were, people just could not quite feel it in a live setting.

[@PaulGillings]

@@youthofyesterdayrecords It just seems to work for me. As far as I know it reads the transients in your playing and adds a rhythm accordingly. I then adjust the ‘swing’ and a few other settings to make it fit better.

[@polyphonics557]

Music to pull teeth to. AI will get better but so will AI assistance to human musicians so I expect the humans to stay ahead. It would be interesting to have AI try to invent new genres/styles of music.

[@gabrielmoreno9455]

A cara que o Rick faz é hilária.

[@nathanielhunter1280]

I predict an Ant-Ai genre of music to revolt against the AI created music.

[@jessiehermit9503]

I agree.

[@justincrandall3178]

100%. With AI as a creator, there's no one to celebrate.

[@youssefghabour4309]

Maybe microtonal music would work because AI will have difficulty training on different scales

[@jimstewart3164]

My wife and I went to SF several years ago in April and exactly the same thing happened. So cold we couldn't make it down the street. Still have the fleece I bought.

[@whatabouttheearth]

SF has microclimates, you gotta know the right streets that block the wind and how the weather changes from district to district. I was homeless in the streets of SF, it can get really chilly, but the geography can also change the wind and temperature a few blocks away.

[@scorpiondev]

what a pain in the ass to change all of those strings, great video Rick!

[@Rusty-METAL-J]

All that music from the 1st genre sounds like it's perfect for the soundtrack to a video game. Just match the piece to the game.