How Broken is an 80,000 Mile BMW M6?

[@Jeff11420]

My 650i Gran Coupe has 111k miles on the odometer and I have zero issues with the car. The interior is immaculate and it is a joy to drive. If you buy any V8 twin turbo, I recommend never to rev the engine straight off a cold start and always allow the engine oil to get up to operating temps before you hit 3k+ rpm. Change the oil every 5k miles and the transmission fluid every 50k miles. ZF the company that made the transmission states their service intervals are 50k miles, yet BMW says "lifetime fluid". I figure they want to sell new cars rather than see their old cars on the road doing just fine. In my opinion, the 6-series in general is the best performing, best looking and best value you can get.

[@nickmartinsen8549]

I’ve heard the N63 motor isn’t that reliable. The s63 seems to be a bit more robust

[@cohenday1377]

I couldn't agree more

[@Jeff11420]

@nickmartinsen8549 like most engines, the n63 likes to be well maintained. Keep in mind the n63tu and newer have far fewer issues than the n63's from 2012 and before.

[@tylxhrl5977]

@@nickmartinsen8549as long as you get a n63tu (2015 & up) you’ll be good

[@shanejones578]

I’ve got an n63tu1 650i x GC, starting to get shaking between like 62-73 mph and it goes away. Can’t figure out why…

[@PRESTONJOSLIN]

2014 640xi Gran Coupe. Just passed 186,500 miles. Great car.

[@KingaaaNinja00]

Have you had any issue with it ?

[@PRESTONJOSLIN]

@@KingaaaNinja00, yes I have had issues with it. One issue I have is the low profile tires for the kind of driving I do, I have been through 5 sets in 70,000 miles. Other than tires, I have put roughly $11,000 into the vehicle in 2 years. So, yeah, it runs great IF you are willing to maintain everything that could potentially be a problem. 193,000 now

[@CyberdyneSystemsModel101]

@@KingaaaNinja00the b58 3l inline six Engine is rock solid (640i) don’t listen to that what the other guy tells you.

[@guupie1]

@@CyberdyneSystemsModel101 the f series 640 didnt get the b58 though xD Only n55

[@CyberdyneSystemsModel101]

@@guupie1 does it change anything from my Argument? No, the n55 is solid aswell. People are sick, trying to find anything wrong so they can comment and correct them.

[@14KShadow]

That interior colour combo is so nice with the B&O speakers!

[@rhybonesmetal4374]

2015 Alpina B6 grenaded the rear diff 8k, then the transfer case 6k. 65k miles on the car I've owned it for four years and will still get another one.

[@RyuSukuna]

Best maintenance video I've ever seen. Didn't just talk about oil, brakes and basics. Talked about personal issues he came across. Seems everything is 500-2k to fix anything. A lot of these luxury cars are going for cheap

[@cryptogvwd3340]

U literally make the best vids about the Great M6 🔥🔥🔥

[@mykestrong23]

Finally someone who knows what they are talking about! Subscribed

[@tristanfrie9915]

Ive got a 14' M6 GC Competiton with 60k miles, I have since put 2,500 miles on it and I agree with everything you say just based off my current experience with mine. They're not unreliable if theyre owned by a half decently smart person. The people who don't take care of them are the ones that get mad when they aren't reliable. Youre only gonna see rod bearing issues if the car was 1. Beat on while it was cold very often 2. Would get 9000 mile oil changes. Other than that, if clutches ever start slipping you can get a bit more life out of them with a XHP Trans tune, itll increase line pressure bit the easiest fix will just be a new set of clutches so you wont have to worry for abother 50-60k very harsh miles or 80k of spirited driving on stock tune. Greta video man!!!! I hope to start creating content here soon!!!

[@bencouyoute]

As someone who owns one myself it’s definitely worth the money.. but if you’re going to modify it just make sure you do it right and keep up with your maintenance… common issues Oil burning but you can check the oil after running it hard… spark plugs need to be changed more often if your running an aggressive tune.. injectors and hpfp are going to need to be replaced if you’re running an aggressive tune… you are definitely going to run through tires

[@snikwadRR]

Good stuff. I'm really thinking about getting one. I've always loved them.

[@LordOfTheDabz]

I’m excited for your content man, just this week I started looking for an m6. Thanks for the very specific information.

[@majesticconcierge8441]

Love the humerus presentation!! Keep em coming!

[@anttheman6370]

My m5’s first owner was a lease im the 3rd that scared me when you said that lol

[@EthanYorke]

Check the oil change intervals on your CarFax report. Lease customers have to go to dealerships for that so at least the first 2-3 oil changes and what mileage it was done at will be on CarFax. Anything above a 6,000 mile average between them, I’d do rods and rod bearings as soon as you can to be safe.

[@blaze8978]

Any major BMW mechanics say that Blackstone analysis is useless. Any you must get the bearings done at 80000 miles.

[@jpowens8311]

Lolol. Dude you are HILARIOUS!!! I have my eye on two of these bad boys locally and I've definitely just made my decision to get one of them after watchin 2 of your videos. Just subscribed too so GREAT WORK MAN!!!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 KEEP IT UP!!!👍🏽

[@The_Top_Gun.]

That interior looks so good apart from the sagging headliner

[@zhaoyangxie]

lol you really are the leading source of information on F06 M6 gran coupes 😂😂

[@troypatillo1688]

It’s too bad the previous owner/owners didn’t polish and wax the carbon roof. I’m willing to bet if they had done that the roof would still be fine. I’ve owned mine for eight years 65 k on the odometer. In eight years I’ve had both rear struts replaced and the a/c compressor replaced under warranty. I’ve paid for spark plugs, oil changes, tires and a coil on cylinder number 3. I’ll probably replace the others myself. Like you said, just do the maintenance and they are awesome cars.

[@Arturosrh99]

What a great video! I’ve been considering one and I think you may have convinced me to just pull the trigger. Thanks man! 🙏🏼

[@Mc88Flyy]

Came across your video as I’m looking at a ‘14 M6 gran coupe w/ competition pkg. I freaking love these cars but I’ve never owned a German vehicle, so I’m used to getting in my cars and just driving, changing oil, brakes and tires. And honestly not having hardly any big expensive fixes. But again, I take care of my cars. You gotta pay to play, I get that. I just can’t see dropping a couple grand here and there for random fixes. I’ve just been looking for a big v8 sedan. You can find a Mustang/Camaro at every street corner but an M6…few and far between. Hell I wanted a Alfo Romeo Giulia Quadrafogilo but those seem to have a bad rep too. Hard to tell if it’s just fearmongering online or what. I just miss having a fun ride.

[@EthanYorke]

You can definitely mitigate a lot of problems up front by doing preventative maintenance, but realistically if the thought of a repair bill here and there being a couple thousand dollars doesn’t sit right with you, this probably isn’t the car for you. It’s not a guarantee these things will happen, but if them happening will ruin your experience I’d definitely look elsewhere. That being said though, you’re talking about paying ~$35,000 for a $120,000 car with an M6 vs. paying $35,000 - $40,000 for a ~$50,000 Mustang/Camaro. The M6 (or any M car) will tax you more than the cars you mentioned will in the service department but they give you an unbelievable driving experience to make up for it :)

[@TinCanSailor]

F06 M6 owner with over 100k on the body, 2 s63tu engines later, Carbon Ceramic brakes still in proper order, just went through some deka stage2 clutches and the car is back in the shop now to find out why, they only had 4k miles on them. I am happy to report my 2015 Florida owned car has not unlocked the headliner achievement yet :). I do have the 9500ci radar/laser detector and curious what you are running. Check out the Project Gama clutches as they are way cheaper, that said I have not run them yet though.

[@kbk75yt]

Why’d you need to get two engines replaced? I’m looking at a ‘14 GC that’s already had an engine swapped once, so I’m curious / nervous to know what happened to your two earlier engines.

[@TinCanSailor]

@@kbk75yt Factory engine had rod bearings seized so the 2nd engine used factory internals and they failed again after tuning and 3 years of moderate driving. Pretty factory rods got heat soaked and bent. Current engine is forged Rods and Pistons and doing just fine.

[@nonexistence7986]

​@@TinCanSailorWhich company did you get forged internals from and which shop did the assembly for you?

[@Luka_Nogalo]

Had a 2012 X6M which has the exact same engine, bought it used 2016 with about 40k miles, it spent more time at the workshop than I drove it… after 7 years and at least 40 grand I finally sold it. Best decision of my life. The problem wasn’t exactly the money, the problem was that most mechanics are doing a lot of guessing and don’t know what is actually wrong with the car which leads to your car staying for weeks and them saying that they repaired the wrong part. That and that whenever you thought everything that could break is broken and repaired another thing breaks TLDR either you were exceptionally lucky or I was exceptionally unlucky

[@EthanYorke]

Anything with an S63TU from before 2014 is known for being significantly more problematic than models that came out afterwards. Furthermore, any used performance SUV is almost certainly going to be a nightmare. Just think about it, if the customer’s buying the actual enthusiast cars new are already bad at servicing them properly, the SUV buyers are going to be even worse. People who love their cars are typically the ones that religiously take care of it, and no one loves an SUV lol

[@Luka_Nogalo]

@@EthanYorke thanks for answering, I've never thought about that. But the problem persists. You'll never know if its been loved or if the previous owner tried for a new best on the nurburgring with a cold engine. Even if it isn't an Suv

[@EthanYorke]

@Luka_Nogalo well, while how someone drives a car can be a factor, most of the time it’s just the maintenance. People following BMW’s instructions of changing oil once every 10k miles instead of every 3k miles can be enough to give the next owner a bill for a new engine. Someone simply not knowing to stay below 3,000 rpm before the engine is warm can also cause loads of issues, but that’s more driving behavior than service. If you ever want to go down this route again, get a CarFax report and calculate the average miles between oil changes. Anything with an average of 4,000 - 5,000 miles in between each oil change has MOST LIKELY been cared for well :) Ceramic Coatings and Paint Protection go on CarFax too, so consistent oil changes + paint protection is a great sign. I’m sorry you had such a poor experience, I hope you have better luck in the future!

[@qwerty12297]

you are king, I bought 640 2018 month ago because I. was sacred of s63 (had option for m6 form 2015 for similar price) but f it, maybe I will buy coupe m6 after this gran coupe haha

[@sueddo2634]

You can look into BMW value service and get the front brakes and rotors replaced for around $1400. I did that at my local dealership and they honored the value service pricing. As far as reliability goes, i'm not sure bud. You're only 10k into your ownership and you're right at the point where severe issues are appearing or going to appear, i've seen some of your forum posts and you've basically been scared sh**less about your current issues. Your engine transmission having issues can almost be lumped into regular maintenance at that mileage and is far from actual issues you're going to experience such as: rear diff axles splitting, coolant line leaks, carbon buildup, turbo replacement, etc. These are going to eat you alive and are extremely common issues to have and not some made up fantasy, especially if you're beating on the car on top of a stage 2 tune. SavageGeese does blow the S63 motor failure slightly out of proportion but many of his points and negativity about the engine are grounded in objective statements and not just saying what he wants to say, that's why people follow his channel for more factual based information on the car.

[@EthanYorke]

The whole point of getting this car and making videos on it was to show an actual ownership experience so that people could see how unreliable/reliable these cars really are. My inquiries in forums (which have been few and far between) are primarily to gather more information on how to take care of these cars, both for myself and for people who watch my videos. I’m not really scared about anything, I have 2 other cars that run perfectly fine if something major ever happened to the M6. Furthermore, one of my best clients is a European Car service center near me, so I have the ability to at least drastically reduce the price of any major service via work exchange. But, quite honestly, even if everything you describe goes wrong, I stand my ground that the M6 is a great value. Let’s say I blow my turbos, bend a rod, and snap an axle all at the same time. Turbos (at normal prices) are normally a $6,000 - $8,000 ordeal, ~$13,000 engine + install (can be much cheaper), and $3,000 for axles. Throw another $3,000 for a diff and that’s $26,000 of issues. I OVERPAID for my M6 because of the options and color, but factoring what I paid ($45,000) with the cost of all those failures, that puts me at $71,000. For most M6 buyers, their “all in” amount if worst case scenario occurred is in the $60,000 range, potentially even less now that the market is softening. If you decide to do the preventive maintenance instead of waiting for everything to break, you can shave another $10,000 or so off that. For a car with an MSRP of over $100,000 that cosmetically holds up very well (outside of the carbon roofs, to be fair) and is as dailyable and useable in everyday life as the M6 is, I think that’s an awesome value, genuinely. We’re in a time where so many cool cars are near their original MSRP’s even with high mileage, the M6 is one of the last hidden gems left in my opinion and these videos are my attempt to show that to the world while still being honest about what breaks. Also, let’s be real here: people don’t follow SavageGeese for accurate information. He doesn’t test the cars long enough himself to be making the claims about reliability that he does. They follow because they align with his Porsche Elitism/his affinity for extremely compromised purpose built sports cars. Nothing wrong with Porsche Elitism, at the end of the day I quite frequently make the claim that BMW is the best car manufacturer of all time. But that’s what I’ve noticed the few times I’ve watched his content and observed his audience.

[@michaelkristof1428]

keep makin content bro, we need a voice fr, tryna get mine by this summer hopefully will make sum content for sure

[@AscariDrives]

my friend you got put together, you find these with half the miles for around 30k or salvage for low 20s

[@EthanYorke]

1) the market has changed quite a bit in the last 12 months since I bought this car. 2) Of the cars you’re finding for $30k, none of them are Individual cars like mine is. MAYBE Individual paint or interior, but not both. 3) I knowingly overpaid for this car because of the options it had and have mentioned this in several videos. The true value of my car when I bought it was probably closer to $38,000 - $40,000. Either way, very happy with the car

[@ClumsyBombaclaat]

Thank you I will be buying a m6 soon, been skeptical but you just made my mind up pretty damn quick lol

[@BitterCarGuy]

Lexani tires will save you money. Sure it's not a fancy name like Michelin or Bridgestone but these cars burn through summer tires so might as well give up a little grip to save money

[@nonexistence7986]

Which model of the lexani tyres fit the M6?

[@BitterCarGuy]

@@nonexistence7986 The ones i bought should work - the ultra performance summer tires. Just make sure you get the same size as on your current car. So far they're holding up well on my car however the M6 puts down more power than my car so you may go through rear tires a lot more often. However with the tires being more affordable, you should be paying less overall for tires.

[@rogerkumar73]

Car looks great. Good review. Blackstone is waste of time. Period. Get your lower rod bearing changed immediately. They will fail. Right about 80K miles. Stock clutch will slip past 750HP. So upgrade at $3500 will make huge performance difference.

[@vetfeva2]

First and foremost, you are correct that there are not a lot of videos with the Fxx M6. I have been looking for a while. Thank you for giving some love. Second, where did you get a quote for the roof refinishing? Oh and BTW, I had to do my inside headliner and it was a super easy DIY job. Especially since I had to get my windshield replaced at the same time. Thanks man.

[@EthanYorke]

I got a quote from a local shop near me called Ghost Customs that does “starry night” headliner conversions frequently. They told me $250 if the material didn’t need to be repaired, $350 if the material needed to be repaired

[@Agent-mw8th]

Hey man did you get the headliner fixed , how does it come out of the car if you know ? some are claiming the windshield has to come off which is BS

[@EthanYorke]

I haven’t, I keep getting mixed answers. One shop quoted $350, another said the OEM headliner couldn’t be reused, another shop said $250. Getting the rods/rod bearings swapped has been a bigger priority for me so I haven’t taken the time to get a firm answer about the headliner yet

[@Agent-mw8th]

Got u , Original Fabric comes off and is replaced with matching Alcantara , not a problem at all , got quoted $400 in NY , just trying to figure out the removal of the headliner out of the car , good luck with Rod bearings

[@tahaautos1295]

thank you sir!

[@racingdreamz8021]

The M6 with the V10 is much more bang for buck

[@EthanYorke]

I’d agree if that car didn’t have the SMG transmission. Truly the worst feeling transmission I’ve ever experienced

[@racingdreamz8021]

@@EthanYorke Manual is the way to go

[@michaelt3308]

​@@racingdreamz8021Good luck finding one..

[@anttheman6370]

How is the car doing today ?

[@robertlewis5893]

Hey Erhan, first, great video with honesty! Second, questions: is your M6 "Imperial Blue?" I really like that color! Also, what packages were ordered on your M6? What are your thoughts on the packages? Lastly, i appreciate your videos...I just subscribed 👍

[@EthanYorke]

Car is Tanzanite Blue Metallic I with Amaro Brown interior. Options include Competition Package, Bang and Olufson, Driver’s Assistance, Cold Weather Package, Massage Seats, Rear Window Shades, and Extended Leather. My understanding is that it has every available option for the 2015 model year except for Carbon Ceramic Brakes and Night Vision

[@Enrodyzeus]

I have 1 of 2 F06 M6’s in all white. Found the other one on FB market place lmao

[@jeffreywilliams485]

🔥🔥🔥 love your content

[@SH57578]

Let us know when you’ve had it several years and have put real miles on it. Can’t get much useful data from 10k miles. Good video though.

[@alkoma4586]

But at least u know what to expect upto 80k with more hp than stock... Lot of these out there with half miles

[@GR8N3SS]

Awesome content.

[@R.Stumzar]

Top speed challenge please😭🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@enrikoaleksiev2238]

Can you suggest aftermarket rods ?

[@samaccurso]

Before watching this video, never thought I'd buy a bmw, now I know I'll never buy a bmw.

[@alkoma4586]

You're also a 🤡

[@zemekiel]

Why not get rid of the bolt-ons and tune and just run it original? It's plenty fast like it came from the factory!

[@EthanYorke]

That would be a net negative decision. First off, the price of selling all the used aftermarket parts wouldn’t come close to the price of buying all the OEM stuff again. In fact, I don’t even think all the bolt ons minus the Akrapovic Catback would cover just an OEM Downpipe. I’d be paying to make the car slower 😂 Furthermore, the car already has miles on with the mods so the “damage” has already been done. The more logical play is paying the few thousand it will cost to beef up the engine to handle the extra stress of the mods

[@dreborst23x]

Yo Ethan can you check out a car for me? I found one, coupe not grand coupe tho :(, for 35k with 60k miles. I was waiting for the gran coupe version but haven’t found one yet. The coupe is looking better and better tho the more that I look at it.

[@MacawRescue]

I drove down the street and my engine blew up 2 months after buying it. Did all the maintenance. Don’t listen to this guy

[@EthanYorke]

Gonna need a bit more details for this to be taken as anything other than rage bait my friend. Miles? Miles between oil changes? If you did all the recommended service and the car blew up, sounds like an issue with whoever is working on your car, not the car

[@MacawRescue]

@@EthanYorke bought it 3 months ago with 70k miles. First thing I did was get the engine oil and transmission fluid/filters replaced. Engine was running strong. I hardly ever drove it. Car stopped on the road because of rod bearings. I wouldn’t advise people to buy this car unless you’re dooming them to spend 15k on a new engine along with a ton of other problems when it inevitably happens. Best, G

[@EthanYorke]

@MacawRescue situations like these are exactly why I’ve made these videos. While I’m sympathetic to your situation, there are a few things I’ve mentioned that you didn’t take into consideration. Firstly, there’s no mention of an oil sample test. If you hardly ever drove the car, having the oil tested at your first service would have shown rod bearing damage prior to them failing. That is, by far, THE MOST important step when buying an M5/6 and I’ve tried to make that as clear as possible. Furthermore, there is also no mention in your comment of what the oil change intervals were on your car before you bought it. I feel confident in assuming, if you check now, the average miles between oil changes is over 7,000 miles which would have also been a potential red flag before even purchasing the car. Are these cars potentially problematic? Yes. Are they a guaranteed money pit? No. Not if you do your homework. Regardless, I’m sorry to hear about your situation.

[@MacawRescue]

Ya the problem with running a sample test is you aren’t able to do that when purchasing one from a used car dealership so you are taking a gamble. You also don’t really know the maintenance intervals so you’re gambling on that too. Regardless I’ll be rebuilding it with forged internals and slapping on bigger turbos. Bad luck. I have a few other cars I’ve built and this will just be another project car to spend tons of money on.

[@EthanYorke]

@MacawRescue agreed that an oil test is a gamble, but it is a gamble that is the difference between a $3,000 preventative bill and a $15,000+ reactive one, that costs $35. Additionally, you can check the service intervals on the CarFax which I’m fairly certain every dealer has to present to you before you finalize the purchase. CarFax reports are a great way to get an idea of how a car was cared for in my opinion, that was a big deciding factor with my car specifically. Even if they don’t provide it to you, it’s $40. Hardly something worth skipping on when buying a car of this value. Happy to hear the car will be back and better than ever. I just really don’t agree with the “the engine blowing is inevitable” narrative, that’s not true. Respectfully, you skipped steps that could have saved you and you got unlucky. It happens, best of luck with everything

[@DG-xj7pm]

The amount of money that you spent on a higher mileage example, you could've just bought a lower mileage car. Doesnt sound like you saved any money in the end...

[@EthanYorke]

My objective wasn’t saving money on this particular purchase. The color combo was the primary motivating factor, I intentionally overpaid because I figured I’d never find another spec like this. Only other tempting M6 I’ve seen since was a British Racing Green / Aragon Brown, but the owner wanted $85,000 and that’s insane 😂

[@pumper34x]

Tell dad to buy you a Honda. Problem solved. 😢

[@thames6897]

shii I paid 42k for 2014 f13 M6 62k miles in 2022

[@natthaphonnoble2407]

Lmao 700 dollars for 2 tires, I got 2 tires for my Accord for 670 bucks with a small discount, wherever you went didn’t give you much of a deal but it is a BMW I guess.

[@EthanYorke]

Size and tire type have a massive influence on tire prices. For example, the width of your Accord tire is probably 225mm or 235mm, the rear tires on the M6 are 305mm which is substantially wider. Additionally, the M6 has 20 inch wheels and 20 inch tires typically cost more than smaller sizes. Lastly, people with extremely powerful cars typically prefer sticky tires, as these help give the car traction. Sticky tires, despite having a very low mileage range, are often the most expensive tires on the market. Moral of the story: expensive tires aren’t really a “BMW thing”, but more of a “sports car” thing 😃

[@omnia001]

Just got a 640i gc. I don’t wanna bother with a V8

[@hydarail6477]

this guy is the most dorkiest looking m car owner i have ever seen

[@jordansundheim7]

didn’t know you had to meet hydarail6477’s objective criteria of cool to own an m car

[@justpoppinthings]

I found one for 15k and the idea of buying it terrifies me

[@Kinvesu]

I don't get why people full blast the stereo. I mean, do you not want to be able to hear past 45 years old? Doesn't make sense. There is a guy across the street from me who does this in his truck ( even worse he does this coming home at 11:30pm to 12am and everyone can hear it in their house 3 houses away from him) and he has to get up right next to me in order to hear me and he is in his upper 30s low 40s. Yeah I like the music loud also, but I still wanna be able to hear when I get older and not be a burden on people.