How Can People With Low IQ Cope?

[@bassnut57]

This is a very important subject that many people understandably avoid talking about in the media.

[@MartyNemko1]

Right.

[@RobbyMoody-c1q]

I'm a 52 year old man with learning disabilities, beaten as a child and scorned as a child for my inability to grasp math and reading. Working jobs my whole life that were dead ends trying to get disability benefits now. All thats left of me is anger and distrust.

[@Thalanox]

I'm sorry you've had to suffer that. I hope you were able to have some enjoyable times now and then.

[@SmileyEmoji42]

Let go of the anger and distrust. Nobody wants to help an angry person and nobody who wants to help you can do so if you distrust them.

[@RobbyMoody-c1q]

@@SmileyEmoji42 did I ask you for help? You ain't going to pay my bills, I'll stick to getting what I paid into for over 30 years. It's not a choice when you CPTSD. I mean are you going to send me money if I'm a good old man and kiss the ass of a society that rejected and took advantage of me because I was disabled?

[@RobbyMoody-c1q]

​@@SmileyEmoji42how dare you, you don't live in the same country I do, life is a lot worse for the disabled in the States.

[@Thalanox]

@ Just as you have learned and been taught your whole life that anger and distrust are the wrong way to do things, his brain's learning machine has learned and been taught the opposite lessons over the years. His evidence-based convictions and experiences are not less rational than yours. There, but for the grace of god, goes you.

[@chrismoritz538]

Used to see a homeless women at a bus stop on my way home from work and made me realize how difficult it is to make it in this world - in the U.S. There are 100 myriad little things that have to be juggled to make your life run well. If your car is in the shop for several days, how are you getting to work? Maybe you get paid by the hour. You're not good at math and can't keep your checkbook balanced. Meals skipped so you lack energy during the day. If we can help some one, we need to do what we can. God bless!

[@eddiemilne4989]

Most of these homeless women had a spoilt,feckless middle class upbringing..Dropping out of college and turning tricks to pay for the drug habit..Trouble is the game has a limited working life and no pension provision unlike the 9 to 5.Haven't you noticed there are more homeless drifters in the West where life is easier not more difficult.. You God given Good Samaritanism has got us in this mess..Us Darwinists would let them fall by the wayside..You forget the Old Testament.."I am not my brother's keeper"

[@edwardstileman4691]

Genuinely thought provoking.

[@Kiltoonie]

The answer is that everyone needs access to expert advice and counselling - it really is that simple. My IQ is high, but I still need help from an accountant or lawyer from time to time.

[@eddiemilne4989]

No they don't..This may be unfashionable but Arbeit Macht Frei..Productive work is the best medicine and tarriffs may just get those jobs backk and the counsellors can go back to doing useful stuff,like our forebears..

[@Kiltoonie]

@@eddiemilne4989 Bad quote, but anyway ... I'm saying the world is complicated and everyone - however bright - needs access to expert help and advice. You can't work your way out of poverty when all the basic jobs have gone and you are competing with graduates to work on a checkout at Lidl.

[@gonnahavemesomefun]

I think IQ is overrated and misleading, certainly for those with a low IQ. If you have a high IQ then sure it's more accurate perhaps because it takes less effort for your to achieve. But to assume someone with a low IQ won't put in effort is wrong I believe. I don't know my IQ, but I know I struggle with memory, maths, relationships, reasoning and life in general. I have sat IQ tests for job applications and never got accepted so I can only assume I was bad. Yet I compensate in other ways: being likeable, adaptable, knowing I won't be a master of something on the first try so I keep trying until I am better than most. I am organised and thorough. I have constantly changed my approach to life where now I make things as predictable as possible so I can appear to excel. A low IQ doesn't mean you simply work within your limit and stop there. I am in the top 1% of earners. My job is complex and stressful. But I have turned it into something predictable so I can appear to be the best despite it taking much more effort foe me than my peers.

[@MartyNemko1]

Nothing is a guarantee but no factor has been identified with better predictive validity than IQ: reasonwithoutrestraint.com/the-predictive-validity-of-cognitive-ability-2/

[@gonnahavemesomefun]

I agree, it’s the most accurate but it doesn’t make it good. The only true method to establish someone’s intelligence is to spend time to understand them. But of course that’s time consuming and keeping consistency of what is measured is difficult I imagine.

[@MartyNemko1]

@@gonnahavemesomefun No one measure covers everything but it's remarkably potent yet our redistribution-toward-equality ignores that.

[@RobbyMoody-c1q]

@@gonnahavemesomefun don't you ever feel like I shouldn't have to compensate, society should offer people like myself a better alternative than being deceptive about my limitations, in therapy I've learned that being honest about your mental health especially your boundaries is important because of people like you under the premise that your just as able as them they will be soarly disappointed when you're not, the added bonus is if they can't except you the way you are your better off without them and includes employers

[@tramboithao]

Well said. I am like you. What I lack in IQ I make up for in effort and then some. When going for a job interview I always say to the interviewer “ after a week you may think I’m slow after a month you will think I’m average. After 3 months I will be your best employee.

[@adama8570]

For a start, if the english language were taught properly in US schools things would no doubt improve!

[@Kiowan918]

"was", not "were", also a comma after "schools". The irony of your comment is that IQ is not academic ability, it's not a product of education, beyond the basic comprehension of reading the questions you answer. It's a measure of innate intelligence, education will only have a minor impact, the IQ bell curve is genetic.

[@adama8570]

@@Kiowan918 I do understand that you are not english but "were" is the past subjuctive form of "to be". In the US you often have a very poor understanding of grammar and syntax. Your simplified spelling is not enough. Z and C should be "see" and "zed" etc.

[@Kiltoonie]

@ I was taught Latin at my Catholic school. Amo, Amas, Amat. No flipping use at all.

[@piccalillipit9211]

"MERITOCRACY" was not a wondrous thing to aspire to - it was an insult thrown at Western society [by communists]. In a meritocracy, you prosper in line with your ability - well that condemns 50% of the population to below-average income through no fault of their own...

[@thedave7760]

Us humans you see we live in a complex world with complex things and potentially dangerous situations for which we need competent people . Do you want your pilot to be under qualified or do you want the best pilot the airline can afford to hire. If you are making arguments against competency you will doom the whole human race back to the stone age.

[@joebloggsgogglebox]

Assuming that was a serious comment and not a joke (are you pretending to be a low IQ person?).... whatever system you have, or even with no system at all, there will always be 50% of people earning below average income and 50% earning above average income... unless everyone (or a large proportion) gets paid exactly the same amount, in which case there is no reason for anyone to put any effort into work since they're being paid even if they don't, and so society stagnates.

[@piccalillipit9211]

@@thedave7760 I'm not saying that - its sad that you thought that. Maybe you should work on your reeding comprehension skills.

[@piccalillipit9211]

@@joebloggsgogglebox I'm not saying that - its sad that you thought that. Maybe you should work on your reeding comprehension skills. "and so society stagnates." Cos Western society is doing SOOO well.

[@SmileyEmoji42]

It's true that meritocracy has unacknowledged drawbacks, but it should not be demonised either. A world where merit has no reward is even worse.

[@RobbyMoody-c1q]

This video has gotten some really interesting responses, from the people who say i.q doesn't matter, to the ones who say God will take care of the dummies, to the empathetic and generally good hearted, to what seems to be the most prevailing opinion or answer which is they survive by being deceptive whether people want to admit that's what their getting at or not, I agree because I did a lot, for 35 plus years I down played my problems and took a huge toil on me, with no family or friends willing to help because let's face it most people are struggling themselves even if it's not with learning disabilities.

[@wjf0ne]

The idea of IQ was first discussed in the late 1800's and later developed in the early 1900's. As one Professor suggests that average IQ is dropping as the welfare state changes in society allows people to survive and reproduce that wouldn't have got a dog to bark at them before the industrial revolution they can now reproduce and send their lower intelligence into the gene pool. I simply ask, is the 100 which is the median now used as high as the 100 median first used back when the science of the subject started. Anecdotally, I do know people good at doing difficult math who haven't the wit to come in out of the rain.

[@MartyNemko1]

I believe the number has remained relatively the same. But 100 may have sufficed in the decades past, far less so in our more complicated, information-centric society today.

[@SmileyEmoji42]

The evidence suggest that IQ is actually rising. I don't believe that myself but it's certainly hard to make a scientific case for it falling.

[@MartyNemko1]

@@SmileyEmoji42 It used to--That was called the Flynn Effect. Now, it's declining: www.popularmechanics.com/science/a43469569/american-iq-scores-decline-reverse-flynn-effect/

[@jamesplummer356]

They go into politics don’t they

[@jackinjapan]

Cope. Many politicians are very intelligent (if not ruthless psychopaths).

[@Ifilmshiz]

These topics are so taboo but absolutely fascinating! I don’t doubt I have a lower IQ that why I’m afraid to do a test! 🤣🤙🏼

[@MartyNemko1]

The good news is that while IQ is important, I believe this video offers myriad ways to compensate.

[@NealMurfitt]

I live in London. I very much doubt that only 14% of it's population is at or below 85. The only test I've ever done is when I was very stoned and got 110. Wether the cannabis enhanced my ability is very doubtful.

[@TheWhitehawker]

Your greeting "Aleikum a Salam" at the beginning put me off before you even got started.

[@MartyNemko1]

I did not say that.

[@jackspencer8290]

A three minute fifty-five second insult directed at one-half of the population of society.

[@Ifilmshiz]

😂

[@nickgreen4731]

IQ measures one thing: how good you are at IQ tests. Other than that it is meaningless. Mere human speech is the most complex thing ever discovered. If you can speak and understand your native language, you have all the intelligence you'll ever need.

[@MartyNemko1]

Please do not express certitude with such obviously paltry knowledge of the area. Intelligence as measured by intelligent (IQ) tests are an unparalleled indicator of reasoning and problem-solving. Candidly, my Ph.D. from Berkeley spent a fair amount of time studying this issue. Here's just one link and because it's unscreened, it's overrepresented by people who would like IQ to not be meaningful: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient

[@nickgreen4731]

@@MartyNemko1 But are reasoning and problem solving as essential for a happy and successful life as people claim them to be? Arguably it is far more useful, for most people, to have great interpersonal skills and powers of persuasion. The average job, even the average lucrative job, is very thin on 'complex rocket science problem wrangling' and very heavy on 'winning people over'. Something a lot of brain-boxes really struggle with. I'd rather invest in a charismatic person with a 100 IQ than a genius who can't look me in the eye.

[@MartyNemko1]

@@nickgreen4731 One uses reasoning in interpersonal interaction--The more factors you can consider, for example, in deciding whether to agree, amplify, be silent, praise, criticize, challenge and how intensely---IQ affect all those.

[@nickgreen4731]

@@MartyNemko1 So one might, for instance, refrain from disparaging insults like 'such obviously paltry knowledge' if one were intelligent?

[@MartyNemko1]

@@nickgreen4731 Intelligence is using multiple variables to decide how restrained or direct to be. And with that, good sir, I wish you well.

[@steveT1961]

How can you say 50% of people have a low IQ? Very few people have been tested in proportion to population. IQ 100 is a median, not an average. I've seen this mistake used so many times. Apart from that, is there any point to this other than rambling?

[@Thalanox]

I think that your misunderstandings of IQ are similar to the silly people who think that "evolution" means that scientists think that chimpanzees were there grandfather's. I mean this in the sense that the depth of misunderstanding is such that I don't understand how to begin properly approaching you. IQ, particularly it's denial, is a subject that is very important. Fundamentally, it's because the forcibly imposed state religion of the blank slate theory is wrong, and people propagating lies are threatening civilization. This video is one portion of the cultural discussion on the subject, aimed at thinking about the implications of IQ.

[@Snookbone]

You need to look up what median means.

[@MartyNemko1]

Given your snark asking "Is there any point to this other than rambling," I feel inclined to say that your comment suggests you're one of that 50% with IQ

[@ScottiStudios]

Aren't IQ tests designed that the average is kept at around 100? Therefore by design 50% of people will have, in theory, a below average IQ, and 50% will have an above average IQ, just to varying degrees. By "low", he probably meant lower than statistical average, and probably didn't mean scraping the bottom of the barrel.

[@MartyNemko1]

@@ScottiStudios The number and the concept of intelligence (reasoning, problem solving ability) remain the same. So yes, half score below 100. BUT. The world changes so 100 IQ 50 years ago portended greater capability of doing okay, today, in our more complex, information-centric society, less so. The

[@NorfolkTraveller]

I=B

[@MartyNemko1]

Huh?