How Denominations REALLY Feel About Each Other

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

Hey! Just wanted to say that I was the original creator of this graphic. Thanks!

[@ConversationswithaCalvinist]

Hey bro, thanks for reaching out. I mentioned in the video that had I known who you were I would have gladly given credit. I can put your info in the description if you want to send it to me at [e-mail]

[@MarcillaSmith]

​@@ConversationswithaCalvinist You use the phrase "by faith." I have never been a Lutheran or Calvinist, but the way I heard it was that they subscribe to "by grace alone through faith alone." Regardless of where the confusion on this point lies, it seems to me that the _"sola"_ position misunderstands the doctrine of Holy Mother Church. Maybe this is the formation of my faith in Wesleyan soteriology showing through, but as I understand it, works are not - and never have been - taught as the _cause_ of salvation. Indeed, we believe that God's grace is primarily prevenient, which is to say that it precedes any act on the part of the individual. Nonetheless, works are present in the journey of salvation. Works (of piety and mercy) are not the _cause_ of (saving) grace from the Father - in the way that works (of labor) are the cause of (compensatory) grace from an employer, but rather they are the _means_ of grace, analogous perhaps to the means by which one receives payment from an employer. So in the same way that if asked, "what'd you do to earn that $100?" one would understand that the answer is not, "I cashed this check," but rather, "I performed _____ service," so then the answer to "what'd you do to earn your salvation?" is "nothing," regardless of how one may have claimed it through baptism and other means of grace, for the cause is of Divine origin.

[@thewayfarerssongbook8652]

Just wanted to add you forgot the Anabaptists 🤗

[@stevehowes9598]

Are you also the same guy that has the Useful Charts channel ?

[@yeetoburrito9972]

@@stevehowes9598 Nah, he's not :)

[@fixerofthings]

"Too Catholic", that really does sum up the Baptist view of most other denominations.

[@goyonman9655]

Purity spiral of how uncatholic you are

[@goyonman9655]

I also like redeemed zoomer pointing out Catholics erecting a baptist strawman to describe all protestant

[@tmorganriley]

From my own lifelong-Baptist perspective: only most are "too Catholic". To include some not on the diagram: historically, the Congregationalists are a tad too Presbyterian (if only they did credobaptism, they'd be baptists!); whereas the Pentecostals are a tad too emotional for many of us. The Restorationists take our knack for back-to-basics, lack of doctrine, and schisms a bit too far for their own good. We suspect the Anabaptists may be doing this whole "Christian" thing better than we ever could ("has a crush on" would be apt; though we also in turn think THEY are too strict!). As for the Methodists: they seem okay, and not TOO Catholic. But our potlucks are better.

[@katemolly100]

WELS (Lutheran) here. Great channel!

[@harrymarsee2782]

I believe (and raised my children this way) that you put your BEST before the Lord. If you are poor and all you have are jeans and a tee shirt, come as you are; but, if you have better clothes wear them on Sunday. We come to church to present ourselves to God and to worship, serve and obey and we aught to give him our best!

[@philipmcniel4908]

Maybe this is because I come from a relatively low-income region where a lot of people don't have much, but I feel like dressing up for church in really nice clothes can become a visible sign that announces you're not poor like everybody else. I know that's not your intention, but I think that it certainly can create an opportunity for a congregation to become socially stratified in places where there are a lot of people who can only come in jeans and a hickory work shirt, and wearing something else just makes you stand out.

[@JoshxDude92]

This guy plays the presbyterian so well, I thought he was one until I saw this video

[@susanfike2713]

Puzzles me that he's not

[@philipmcniel4908]

Same here, but this is the first serious video I've seen of him; until now I've just seen his comedy skits.

[@gabrielmichaeltolentino3559]

In the past several years, I have tried several different denominations, and let me tell you that the different denominations hate each other and they always say that the other is going to hell because they don't believe what they do so I just quit going.

[@gregstaton128]

I am part of a Methodist Church which broke away from the United Methodist...we have formed our church doctrine...we have baptized by immersion . I believe in eternal Security....once saved always saved

[@MarcillaSmith]

Why?

[@RandomPerson2609]

sooo, you have succumbed to baptist evangelicalism

[@traditions1900]

Sooo you’re a baptist and not a Methodist. Akin to saying “I’m a baptist who believes in paedo communion”

[@tmorganriley]

@@traditions1900 I can't think of why you couldn't have Weslyan Baptists...

[@traditions1900]

Wesleyan Baptists, as in Arminian, is fine. But Baptists by definition reject paedo-baptism. Methodists by definition affirm paedo-baptism. You can't be both. @@tmorganriley

[@princessofarchetypes3870]

Hey there - Roman Catholic turned Anglican here....I love your channel....Learning alot here and getting a few chuckles!!!

[@dman7668]

Can't believe you dumped the Catholic Church for the failing Anglican relgiion that doesn't have apostolic succession anymore. Gross.

[@princessofarchetypes3870]

@@dman7668 The Anglican church does have apostolic succession - go look at the history and quite honestly, please don't go knocking me about switching to any religion - it's about ACCEPTANCE of Jesus Christ into my life and having HIM as my LORD AND SAVIOR. For YOU to come on to my thread and JUDGE ME is Abhorrent and GROSS.

[@dman7668]

@princessofarchetypes3870 They don't have any valid lines of Apostolic succession. What lines they did have has been mostly obliterated and no longer valid. Yes I absolutely am judging the Church of England as a false Church. Because it is a false Church. It only exists because some dude wanted a divorce and the Pope said no. That isn't the Church Jesus established. Come back to the true Church and dump those clowns. Also you judged the Catholic Church which is Christs body, so don't give me this hypocritical dog crap of how dare I judge the Anglican Church. Think about what you are saying lady.

[@leonardhunt7241]

Growing up in the USArmy there was a funny illustration: someone died and went to heaven. An angel came and escorted them. Groups were isolated from one another then one group further away from the others. Asked Why?, the angel replied They don’t think any other believers are here.

[@SGRBibles]

You guys are really funny. Coming from a Baptist! Keep the content coming

[@Michael29040]

As a Lutheran, and thus Protestant, I can attest its true that Roman Catholics think we are all Baptist lol.

[@JBlackjackp]

I’m not sure why as a baptist and thus a baptist I wouldn’t think you are a baptist.

[@danhickey1227]

thats interesting, as a Catholic I've never heard this before.

[@Michael29040]

@@danhickey1227 Well your people will usually say things like All Protestants don't believe in the Real Presence or All Protestants are literally Scripture alone with absolutely no church history or fathers to consider.

[@MysticOceanDollies]

And Baptist do not want to be related to many other denominations, especially Pentecostals.

[@NotAJedi27]

As a Roman Catholic I see this as an absolute win.

[@Tara-cv2kz]

As a Lutheran, the relationship with the Orthodox church seems spot on to me. what a graphic 😂

[@jred7]

Some Anglicans really have a crush on Catholicism or Orthodoxy. It's more likely those of baptistic or non-denominational backgrounds who fall in love with the historical Church, but can't quite accept all the teachings of Catholicism or Orthodoxy, so it's this kind of desperation to prove themselves as part of that historical tradition. It can sometimes be a little comical, though with a proper execution can really bring an enrichment to people's faith.

[@marcusinfestus1333]

I was blessed to serve a two-year mission in the south, where I was further blessed to be exposed to every form of Christianity imagineable. What I learned, is that the things that separate us are largely unrelated to our individual relationships with our Savior, or the salvation he offers. God bless you all.

[@danhickey1227]

You should debate Trent Horn or Jimmy Akin!

[@joeschmoe709]

Totally

[@tonyricketts5569]

Yes, the UMC (council of bishops) has lost its mind. In my area, a lot of churches have become Global Methodist Churches. I personally voted with my feet and joined an SBC church.

[@jasonhanson97]

Sbc ain't no better.. need to join a Bible believing independent fundamental Baptist church.. our doctrine is actually as intended.. and even then ya gotta keep an eye on things.. false teachers teaching heresy abound in these last days..

[@jred7]

​@@jasonhanson97you sound like a caricature right out of a "conversations with calvinist" clip.

[@jasonhanson97]

@@jred7 if your talking about the character that's tryin to warn everyone about apostates then yea you're right..

[@jred7]

@@jasonhanson97 IFBC is more concerned about being Baptist than they are about being Christian. Edit: "than" not "and"

[@jasonhanson97]

@@jred7 yea thats a lie.. you can say what you want and I really could give a flip less cause I KNOW that my doctrine and my walk with Christ is solid.. is yours?

[@dl7562]

This video was awesome!

[@joeschmoe709]

How can a denomination from the 1600s say the Church which follows the writings and traditions of the apostles and their successors not be legitimate? Shouldn’t the 1600 denominations base their legitimacy on how much they line up with the Apostolic Churches? It is a matter of extreme pride to think that a new church can say to the Apostles, “We know Christ better than you”

[@dman7668]

Oh yeah, I get what you are saying. I remind reformers the point of the reformation was not to say the Catholic Church is somehow not the true Church, but to reform its teachings from the inside. Not start seperate institutions.

[@leonardhunt7241]

I had been discussing long hair and pointed out 1st Corinthians where Paul says there’s no rule in the churches about long versus short hair. When I brought this up I was asked if I belonged to the Pentecostal church. When I said ‘no’ they replied So you don’t understand. And refused to talk with me further.

[@rexrobo2512]

I have long hair my response to anybody who criticizes long hair can be summarized in one word: Samson

[@leonardhunt7241]

@@rexrobo2512 ok but if they ask for a NT reference?

[@rexrobo2512]

Well the entire Bible is relevant today and I refuse to, as someone once said coughcoughStanleycoughcough, unhitch the Old Testament from the New Testament. So my questions are, was Samsung actually mentioned in the New Testament? To the best of my knowledge answer the is no. Was Samson's hair part of the moral or cultural law given in the Old Testament? Again the answer is, to best of my knowledge it was not. So taking entire scripture into account what do we have? We have Samson growing long hair, and being gifted by God with extreme strength because, among other things, he let his hair grow long. Samson only runs afoul of God, and the gift he gave him, when his long hair is cut. Do you think that out of all of the other requirements Samsung had that God actually included one requirement that would be considered evil after His Son came/died/rose/ascended, and having that one part be prominent in the entire story of Samson? Considering that the New Testament doesn't mention Sampson. Neither was Samson's long hair part of a moral or cultural law that might still be relevant, or has been "loosened" by the New Testament, to me, asking for a reference from the New Testament is pretty much just a distraction.

[@rexrobo2512]

I love voice to text typing. The one real problem is words like Samson being understood as Samsung by the computer and me not catching it.

[@leonardhunt7241]

@@rexrobo2512 Hosea was told to marry a prostitute and this was to provide a source through which God would portray the spiritual condition of Israel with regard to the worship of himself (God of Israel). Would this mean marrying prostitutes is acceptable to God, or only in the context of Hosea?

[@milesjohnson8927]

If u want to understand Lutherans just watch the old Cheers episode where Woody is getting married

[@paulfaggart3423]

Non-denominationals do typically follow baptist beliefs. However, if you refuse to stand with a group, then there is a reason, and that reason is what separates us. The reason is because Non-denominationals are willing to go along to get along with other doctrines or at the least, allow those who follow other doctrines to be members.

[@purpose8141]

I did not know that Rick Warren was SBC until recently.

[@rexrobo2512]

I suspect that quite a few people (most people) didn't know either. I know I was pretty shocked when I heard that he was speaking there. For me it was one of those cartoonish shaking of the head double take.

[@leonardhunt7241]

purpose What’s the problem with the SBC? Aren’t they pretty streamlined Trinity believers? I don’t agree with the Trinity Teaching myself, but what about the SBC?

[@leonardhunt7241]

@@rexrobo2512 what’s wrong with the SBC? I must be out of it not to know.

[@kylesalmon31]

It’s kinda hard to differentiate between sbc groups because to my understanding all of those churches are independent and can teach different things from one another.

[@edherrick2]

Great show

[@Martepiece]

As a presbyterian myself, I must say. I love my brothers from other denominations because I understand no one is perfect outside presbyterianism 😜

[@lionelscout]

If only you would get church polity and baptism correct. Oh, wait, then you would be Baptist!

[@ReformationHomested]

I Presbyterian. I don’t clap. Unless I’m at a golf tournament.

[@NubulusAugustus]

As a Lutheran, I have always viewed the Anglicans as to Catholic.

[@amandamiles1458]

Where are the Brethren?

[@HenryvonRintelen-jw2oj]

I don't think Latter-day Saints belive in physical intercourse, do you have a source on that? Also, isn't the Latter-day Saint belief in exhaltation (becoming like God) is backed by John 10:33-38?

[@dmandman9]

Sometimes I don’t think the Baptists are viewed as too strict because of adherence to scripture. But often many Baptists seem to come off as MEAN. In fact many churches are just as strict in biblical interpretation as Baptist. But they are able to reason with others. Some Baptists have a reputation of mostly holding to mostly correct doctrine but lacking in LOVE.

[@voiceofreason2674]

As an episcopalian I don't disdain anybody. But I don't like when people say we only exists cuz of king Henry viii. But I do respect the roman Catholic church, but I think the church should be tied to material reality of earth. And they tried to move the church to France when France was the center of the Christian world, and they should have. And they shoulda moved the center of the church to London when that was the center of the world. And the center of the church right now should be New York City, it's the most important place on earth so why isn't the head of the church over there keeping an eye on things? The pope is in crummy old Rome where nothing has happened for thousands of years

[@joeschmoe709]

Maybe he’s in Rome because that’s where he’s the Bishop of. It’s literally his job to watch over the priests and parishes of Rome so it would make very little sense for him to watch over Rome from America.

[@dman7668]

The move to France was according to one documentary I watched more about controlling the Catholic Church itself then keeping the Pope where the most powerful country is. Because the Churches authority isn't centered around a powerful nation, it's centered around Saint Peter's apostolic succession to his Holy See which was established in Rome. It has nothing to do with him being in the most powerful location in the world as far as I understand it.

[@voiceofreason2674]

@@dman7668 yea they moved him to Avignon for a hundred years and he shoulda stayed there until England became top dog and he woulda naturally got moved there.

[@clayman2216]

If I go to a rural church in Kentucky, an SBC, and wear a shirt and tie, some people look at me and ask if I’m preaching! ( overdressed) so out of respect, I won’t wear a tie as to not “upstage” the preacher/ pastor!

[@ken8334]

Did Jesus start a church?

[@sarairivera4006]

I don't think denominations are not a problem but doctrine. I agree in Catholic church also otherones are the same.

[@JopeyTheLegend]

Redeemed zoomed should’ve added that Baptists make fun of Pentecostals

[@austrianhistory]

Do an episode on the Talmud and what it says about Jesus Christ and Mother Mary. FYI Gentiles aren't supposed to know...

[@mikelmacrichard4772]

24:13 you claim "Mormonism" doesn't claim the Gospel, however they do. I've been an "Investigator" for 7 years of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Their beliefs of Jesus Christ are no different than any other "Christian" church I've been to. I was raised as child going to Jewish synagogue, Catholic Church, Baptist Church, Pentacost Church and Methodist Church. As adult studied Jehovah's Witnesses, The Church of Satan (Anton LeVay's), Wicca (Circle Sanctuary) and 7 Day Advent. I've been to Jimmy Swaggart Christian college and Van Dale Jones Christian College. Got cute little degrees in Christian Archeology and Christian Ministry. I love your videos but your comment shows you prejudice basing believe on false information from prejudice sources. Jesus Christ spoke to 7 Churches in Revelation showing different ways doesn't mean wrong. Each had a specific different wrong with the them Jesus said to correct. Peter and Paul fought like cats and dogs but both are considered the Word of God.

[@r8Dest]

I was typing a reply to this, but then @ConversationswithaCalvinist addressed it directly in the "what makes a denomination" section. So assuming those reasons didn't convince you, or you decide they are not relevant. I guess then the best response to your comment is that saying "Mormons are Christians because I have studied it" is like saying "Gravity doesn't exist because I have studied it." You are free to hold that position, and many people do, just know that other people "Who have studied it" universally disagree with you. We're talking, literally billions of the most scholarly, intelligent and devoted people who have ever lived. You're not in a random comment section here, there are a large number of people in this comment section who have devoted significant time to studying theology and ecclesiology here. And speaking as a person who is trying to become a true biblical scholar some day, the seven churches example you used demonstrates a severe misunderstanding of scripture. You mentioned quite a few cults there in your list, I know you didn't ask for it but on the off chance you are legitimately interested in this topic and your not just trying to be an internet contrarian, I can recommend a few resources. First i'd look at Micah Wilder's book "Passport to Heaven", then I'd recommend looking into Lynn Wilder. She was a higher up in the Mormon temple who came to faith. There's also the classic "Kingdom of the cults" by Walter Martin, not exclusively focused on Mormonism, and I warn you it is a beastly book, but it is an excellent resources on classical ways of discerning truth from lies.

[@mikelmacrichard4772]

@@r8Dest you trying to justify excluding a denomination based on works by persons who either haven't a clue what the Doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints even states or they are embittered about how they were treated within the Church. Quiet frankly the current way it's run I wouldn't blame them, I've been "investigator" for 8 years denied full membership based on traditions and policies not Scripture or Doctrine and Covenant. I believe Joseph Smith was a prophet of YHWH and the text of the Book of Mormon true. Modern archeology and DNA evidence has proven it true. However, since his murder the church like followers of prophets before him has fallen back into the world. Same with 7th Day Advent after Ellen White. France after Jean de Arch was martyred. Jehovah's Witnesses have great physical historical data but my studies of their beliefs conflict with that data and take a ride on the Crazy Train at the point of "New Heaven and New Earth" forgetting the whole "New Jerusalem" part. Technically I consider myself a "Messianic Jew". I've had 50years in Scriptural study beginning in the synagogue as a child. Granted there are others with greater knowledge but less wisdom and more closed minds. Scripture states "test the doctrine that it is of God". People tend to twist words to mean whatever they want.

[@johnmarquardt1991]

Stop your lying. Mormons do not believe Jesus is God or do Mormons believe in the Holy Trinity. Mormons are not Christians.

[@clayman2216]

“Third Thessalonians”… that’s in the “Baptist Talmud” isn’t it?🤪

[@pauldelaney5990]

😂

[@purpose8141]

👏

[@kookpatrol7490]

The deacon that ain’t geekin!

[@bretlittle5841]

I KNEW Keith Foskey was a Presbyterian. Buuuuut it turns out he’s a reformed Baptist???

[@joshwiley818]

Love the video, very funny! But let’s separate Wesleyan from Methodist - they are increasingly different (more and more every year)

[@dmandman9]

As a rule, Black Methodists (AME) haven’t gone off the rails like the United Methodists.

[@sarairivera4006]

Non denominationaln are Southern Baptist 😅

[@gingerbrettman5665]

As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (A.K.A Mormon), I can confidently refute the claims stated by Mr. Calvinist here beginning about 24:30 in the video. All the stuff he has spouted off is common like top 5 anti-mormon propoganda lies that every pastor and preacher tells their congregations. It's so sad too, because we're very much connected with our love for God, with respect to God's sacred and eternal laws. We have priesthood authority, ordinances and covenants that we make that come straight from the Old and New Testament (King James version of the Bible is our go to), we invite all to come unto Christ. We believe that our fragmented denominational brethren all contain bits and pieces of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but we believe that Jesus Christ's true church has been restored on the Earth, led by prophets to once again excercise God's power and authority on Earth; with a prophet, the truth is revealed and the doctrines that were corrupt or lost have been restored. We believe in God the Eternal Father, and in his Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost; we believe them to be three separate beings all united together as one in purpose. We believe that God has a plan by which each of us (His children) can return back to heaven to live with Him in His presence, through the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ's atonement; Jesus Christ's atonement was necessary to allow each of us to be resurrected when the Savior comes again in the 2nd coming. We follow Christ's example to follow him, and by doing this we can return to live in the presence of Heavenly Father. We were sent on this Earth to be tried and tested, to prove if we will choose God and to live in his presence again, all for the purpose to teach and prepare us as God was prepared. The eternal destination is for Heavenly Father to give us all he has, so yes we will become like God, but we will not replace the God of this Earth. We actually don't believe in the "literal physical intercourse" between God and Mary (honestly ridiculous, everyone knows that Mary was a confirmed Virgin). Mr. Calvinist I guess is correct that by his definition we are not a denomination, meaning we stem from one of the groups in the graphic in the video. Since we are a restoration, we are the Church of Jesus Christ that the rest of Christianity began to fight, squabble, and denominate themselves over for over the last 1,700+ years. Anyways, hope that clears up the misinformation!

[@toolegittoquit_001]

Too bad you preach a different Jesus 😔

[@johnm.4947]

Where in the Bible say "faith alone"? Where does the Bible declare the Bible to be all you need? Look all you like, you won't find it. As Luther once said, "It's there because Doctor Luther says it's there."

[@ncgangcop8936]

So are you “friends”😂😂😂

[@nerysghemor5781]

Traditional Methodist here. Yeah, I still think the Baptists are a little bonkers with certain things (they’re the other denomination I’m most likely to get in an argument with), and I DO think women can be pastors if given the appropriate spiritual gifts, but not all Wesleyans are wokeist crazies. There are definitely those of us who have had enough of the UMC.

[@rexrobo2512]

Well since the words, Charismatic Calvinist, that I usually use to describe myself as are not actually considered denominations, but doctrines within some of the denominations, If I were to fit myself into a combination of denomination listed in this video it would probably be Baptist and Pentecostal. Of course Both denominations would need the word 'Reformed' in front of the name. Though because of the cultish behavior as well as serious errors in some of the doctrines of the United Pentecostal Church (rejection of the doctrine of the trinity), having totally ruined the name PentecostaI, I would never claim association with the Pentecostal denomination, it's just that the can of worms that is opened when claiming Pentecostal is way too bigfor me to go there. It's just not worth it.

[@stephenandersen4625]

Christian disunity is a terrible thing. 😢

[@jw4620]

I think you all are working with fiction, hearsay, and rumor.

[@crusaderdan6049]

Lol the Bible does not teach that we are saved by faith alone, the letter of James actually contradicts that idea which NO Christian believed until Martin luther.

[@tariqskanaal8187]

Imagine having to exegete something.

[@Jondoe_04]

By Grace alone through Faith alone apart from works. It's like Paul said in Romans 3:26-30 by the way Augustin did teach salvation by Grace through faith alone. Read his teaching on the freedom of the will.

[@saved6655]

It’s faith alone that produces works. Faith first (salvation first) then when regenerated we desire to do good works. That’s James point. Hence gen 15 then gen 22.

[@gerrydean7696]

Lol you must not actually read the Bible

[@JBlackjackp]

@@Jondoe_04 I understand reading is hard but the verse is “we are saved by grace through faith apart from works of the law” the law in this case meanings the law of the old covenant which is made clear from the context of the letter. This idea of yours is directly contradicted by James who says “faith without works is dead” and even a cursory reading of Catholics exegesis would lead you to the correct conclusion that we are saved by grace alone but not through faith alone.