How Did Cold War Battle Tactics Work?

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Matsimus

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In this video we discuss the tactics used by the both sides of the cold war and the way on which we still follow similar principles today.
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@brianoneil9662
@brianoneil9662 4 жыл бұрын
I was stationed with the U.S. Army in W.Germany from 84-86 with a deployment point in the Fulda Gap. We were told from the time we arrived that if the Soviets attacked we weren't intended to win and weren't expected to survive. Our ONLY purpose was to slow down the Warsaw Pact enough to allow the reinforcements to arrive. The entire 8th Infantry Division was expected to last three days. Nobody ever said we were expected to hold any ground .
@mikecimerian6913
@mikecimerian6913 6 жыл бұрын
Around 40% casualties on both sides within 48 hours. An Apache was not expected to last more than fifteen combat hours.
@patrickkenyon2326
@patrickkenyon2326 6 жыл бұрын
B-52 life expectancy was about 6 hours. 1 mission, 90% casualties expected.
@viperx3461
@viperx3461 6 жыл бұрын
I once saw a US fighter pilot (Either A-7 or F-16, can’t quite recall) say he was expected to survive two sorties.
@mikecimerian6913
@mikecimerian6913 6 жыл бұрын
Sobering isn't it? Probably a A-7, Soviets had triple layers of air defense and hell to pay for a ground attack plane. The Corsair was a carrier aircraft though.
@viperx3461
@viperx3461 6 жыл бұрын
Mike Cimerian The USAF did use a modified version of the A-7 from 1970 to 1991, and it was deployed to Europe so that would make sense. But yeah, even a conventional war would have been an absolute nightmare. Fortunately it never came to that at least...
@mikecimerian6913
@mikecimerian6913 6 жыл бұрын
This video has only taken into account front line operations. Deep Battle also involved dropping forces behind enemy lines to neutralize C3 bases of operations. Airborne assaults are chancy but when successful they could have crippled the chain of command structure and we haven't looked at the bag of dirty tricks both sides had up their sleeves like sleeper agents and top level decapitation.
@vindicare9636
@vindicare9636 6 жыл бұрын
Soviets be like:There will be no urban warfare,if there are no cities left.
@lpflore
@lpflore 6 жыл бұрын
Soviets don't bomb innocent civilians, they bomb military targets to destroy enemy units before they are even deployed. Oh and my dad was in the East German Army and he said that they had to train one a week with gas Masks and anti radioactive suits and that they had to march with them for 10 kilometers. Some did fall down and had to go to hospital then but they were fit after a few hours again.
@RoninTF2011
@RoninTF2011 6 жыл бұрын
Soviets don't bomb civilians? There countless examples of the opposit. LP Flore: you should try to look behind propaganda ...be that "western" or "eatsern" one.
@clintonwalsh2264
@clintonwalsh2264 6 жыл бұрын
Vindicare no wonder they built the tsar.bomb then.lol
@bashkillszombies
@bashkillszombies 6 жыл бұрын
They wouldn't have lasted a day, they thought the NATO defense strategies were all a sham. They'd have been a smoking pile of ash, and I suspect they knew it which is why they instead infiltrated the media / entertainment / academia and took us all over that way, 'active measures' as the KGB called it. Check out Yuri Bezmenov, that fucker was warning us ever since he defected. The 'summer of love' in the 60's and all the drugs and shit was a product of their measures to erode social cohesion in the west and destabilize us, and they almost did. Anti-war protesters were at their highest when they were pumped full of cheap drugs. But the socialist governments of the world are feeding cheap drugs to their people now anyway. No wonder the place is turning a bright shade of red.
@Chefzilla72
@Chefzilla72 6 жыл бұрын
I disagree. As a Cold War veteran tanker and tank commander, I have an intimate knowledge of how, granted in the late '80s, we trained for the defense of W. Germany. It would've been a very, very hard fight. Soviet forces outnumbered us at least 3-1. We probably would've been able to stop them but we would not have resorted to the use of tactical nukes. The fear of escalation and possible NATO mutiny were far too great.
@johndane9754
@johndane9754 6 жыл бұрын
Oh dear god, the "7 days to the Rhine" plan. If anyone thought our plan to use nukes to halt the Warsaw Pact's advance across the Iron Curtain was nuts, Soviet higher ups decided to go for gold in 'who's plan was the craziest of them all.' Hell, most of the Soviet officer corps thought the 7 days of the Rhine plan was insane at worst and overly optimistic at best.
@ricardosoto5770
@ricardosoto5770 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder what type of madmen dreamed up this plan.
@dieterhrabak4947
@dieterhrabak4947 4 жыл бұрын
@@ricardosoto5770 Zampolits type of politicians, blind, deaf, about anything but his/her political ambitions and blind zealotness towards his/her ideological ideals..
@Septimus_ii
@Septimus_ii 2 жыл бұрын
If we nuke all of Western Europe, NATO won't use nukes at us surely?
@frankrenda2519
@frankrenda2519 2 жыл бұрын
it would have worked no doubt
@arthas640
@arthas640 2 жыл бұрын
@@ricardosoto5770 polticial officers dreamed it up. There are extreme dangers when officers are chosen based off polticial connections and party loyalty over competence, and lesser dangers of letting politicians and polticial officers enforcing their ideas while disregarding experts opinions
@tommeakin1732
@tommeakin1732 6 жыл бұрын
7:04 Sergey: "Ivan, comrade; why are we shooting our tanks and SPAA off the back of a train...?" Ivan: "IT LOOKS SO COOOOOOOL BLYAAAATS!"
@unbelievableHoruz
@unbelievableHoruz 6 жыл бұрын
The tactics were COOL because of COLD war okay im silent
@Lowlander-ci7is
@Lowlander-ci7is 6 жыл бұрын
Ha!!!
@Raj-df7wf
@Raj-df7wf 3 жыл бұрын
Ja Ura
@eustache_dauger
@eustache_dauger 6 жыл бұрын
6:46 sliding into battle with style
@ls200076
@ls200076 6 жыл бұрын
Altwerk Vyner yeah boiiiii
@vojtechpribyl7386
@vojtechpribyl7386 6 жыл бұрын
Comarade Legolas back in the army days :D
@arya31ful
@arya31ful 5 жыл бұрын
When you know you're gonna die, you must at least die with STYLE
@tacticalfall4505
@tacticalfall4505 3 жыл бұрын
They don't do things nowadays like they did back then
@spikeydapikey1483
@spikeydapikey1483 6 жыл бұрын
Still scary stuff to this day, I remenber being a kid in the 70's talking about this in the playground!
@Nguroa
@Nguroa 6 жыл бұрын
"We who grew up strong and proud, in the shadow of the mushroom cloud".
@igorzlatanovic8286
@igorzlatanovic8286 5 жыл бұрын
Nguroa i grew up through the 90s in former yugoslavia survived four wars and nato bombing. I wish i was lucy like you guys just to live in fear of war not live through him...
@kennys9644
@kennys9644 5 жыл бұрын
@@igorzlatanovic8286 I wish you the best my friend. We do have it pretty nice here, and we will fight to keep it that way. Your country made the best version of the AK47 in my opinion, the Zastava M70.
@paavobergmann4920
@paavobergmann4920 5 жыл бұрын
Jup. Brings up memories from the 80´s in western Germany, too...Every first wednesday of the month at 11:00h, the air raid sirens would give the "all clear" for 5 minutes, just to check that the gear was running. No, not scary at all. Just a constant reminder that you could be dead already... Then there was a Pershing-II-battalion stationed in my hometown...so we knew, if anything cooked off, geopolitically, we´de be toast in ~3min. Sooner, if anything cooked off by accident (which damn near happened in `86...). Even as a primary school kid, you knew for sure that the only job of the german army (and germany as a whole, by proxy) was buying just a little time. We were too young to REALLY realize, but it was still occasionally scary as hell. We´d be in the playground, watch the skies, and pretend the contrails were caused by ICBMs...how sick is that? Anyway, it seems the idea to conduct war away from the civilians seems to have gone out the windows during those times, and the result was the absolute horror that happened in the Balkans. And yes, I am glad every day I did not have to suffer this in person, I know enough people who did, so for what it´s worth, Igor, take my empathy, and my best wishes for your future
@therainbowgulag.
@therainbowgulag. 4 жыл бұрын
And the good old BBC telling every night how the Soviets were going to annihilate us.
@nottoday3817
@nottoday3817 6 жыл бұрын
Hello Matsimus, no ideea if you are going to read this, but nice informative video. However, I have to point out 2 things. 1. Most important: MAPS. MAPS! MAPS!!!!. Whenever you are making something about battle tactics/ troop movements, use maps. Even poorly drawn ones and encircle stuff with circle tool in MS Paint. It helps a lot in understanding stuff. I know you are on a time limit, but it might help more than just editing footage from other warfilms. Those kind of footage is useful if you make a video about anti-tank tactics, disembarking/dismounting and stuff. 2. Clearly specify the period you are talking about and stay within that time frame. For example, technology employed in the Yom Kipur War was much different than the one during Cuban Missile Crisis or in the 1980s. And something else, It seems that it was not taken into account a second scenario or small/second front: Iceland. I am talking about the ideea presented in Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising(still have to get deeper into that book, but had that ideea in my head for years-'Best book is the one that tells you things you already know', huh?) with Soviets invading Iceland. I mean it seemed a no brainer that in the case of a Full Scale War Iceland would not remain untouched. It already had a NATO atomic air base. in a war, Iceland not only posed a threat to soviet mainland via this base, but also to soviet submarines.
@Kman31ca
@Kman31ca 6 жыл бұрын
That's my favourite book of all time. I've read it twice. Excellent read.
@burningphoneix
@burningphoneix 6 жыл бұрын
I second the maps suggestion. Even basic ones are very useful.
@jochentram9301
@jochentram9301 5 жыл бұрын
Bear in mind that whatever Clancy's merits describing US Forces and doctrine, he really has zero clue about the structure, organisation and doctrine of the German military ca. 1985. His understanding of German police is less than that. I realise this was before Wikipedia, but a modicum of research would really have helped.
@markcorrigan3930
@markcorrigan3930 4 жыл бұрын
@@jochentram9301 Yeah the comment was cool until he talked about Tom Clancy.
@jochentram9301
@jochentram9301 4 жыл бұрын
@@markcorrigan3930 Eh, Clancy's premise - WWIII, limited to conventional forces - isn't bad, as such. Hackett's take on it was much, much more grounded in reality, as you'd expect from a former British general and deputy SACEUR, but less entertainingly written. Unless, like me, you read history books for fun - Hackett is very much about an operational level view of things, and one needs to bear in mind that he wrote his book expressly to warn about a dangerous decline in British and American conventional military capability. For a view of the same fictitious WWIII much closer to the ground, I highly recommend Team Yankee (the book, not the game, although that's also quite good), written by a US armour officer. From a "realism" perspective, those two are probably the best takes on mid-1980s Cold-War-gone-hot scenarios.
@imtiazsohan4633
@imtiazsohan4633 6 жыл бұрын
From assault rifles to battle doctrine, this channel is stepping up. Good stuff!!!!
@johannespralle8899
@johannespralle8899 6 жыл бұрын
My Grandma still lives in Fulda. There was a huge radar array on a hill. Now its museum.
@donaldwhite1928
@donaldwhite1928 Жыл бұрын
I was stationed in gelnhausen 75-76 fulda gap was our area to defend
@de0509
@de0509 6 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of that russian soldier that called an airstrike on his own position because hes surrounded by ISIS anyway.
@larryclyons
@larryclyons 6 жыл бұрын
That's happened a number of times. In fact during the Korean war the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry did that at Kapyong Korea. They are one of the few foreign units to have won an American Presidential Unit Citation because of that action.
@zer0f0x69
@zer0f0x69 6 жыл бұрын
well the last thing I would want is to get captured by isis and have them cut off my head and video record it. I would much rather die by the hands of my own comrades. sounds crazy, but that's war man.
@zer0f0x69
@zer0f0x69 6 жыл бұрын
thisghy, exactly
@imrekalman9044
@imrekalman9044 6 жыл бұрын
Alexandr Prokhorenko, March 2016, Palmyra, Syria.
@TyTye
@TyTye 6 жыл бұрын
Its a good tactic as it can protect your colleagues, and by extension, country.
@kgb613
@kgb613 6 жыл бұрын
In case of war, France had agreement with NATO. Its armed forces could move to the Rhin ready for action.
@ufoash440
@ufoash440 4 жыл бұрын
France also had a plan to nuke the lands east of the Rhine should the soviets ever take them
@whomagoose6897
@whomagoose6897 4 жыл бұрын
@@ufoash440 : I heard about that nuke plan decades ago. It was no joke. The French would have done it.
@waszkreslem9306
@waszkreslem9306 4 жыл бұрын
French had a plan. To surrender before red army advanced to their border.
@sander7165
@sander7165 4 жыл бұрын
@@waszkreslem9306 don't make such stupid statements
@waszkreslem9306
@waszkreslem9306 4 жыл бұрын
@@sander7165 im sorry man but had to make this joke.
@wilsonbazant6813
@wilsonbazant6813 6 жыл бұрын
These new Cold War videos and description of tactics are some of your best content. Would also love to see more overviews of modern vehicles and equipment as well as detailed predictions of how ongoing and future conflicts could unfold.
@Jammybee
@Jammybee 6 жыл бұрын
@Matsimus The point you raise at 6:40 about the advancing into radioactive zones is why Soviet doctrine at the time was to be fully armoured with NBC protection. This is the reason for quirks such as the BMP firing ports.
@downrange4073
@downrange4073 6 жыл бұрын
I like your videos but there is a correction I would like to make on a comment you made. I was in the U.S. Army as a tanker ( M60A1 & M60A3 ) during the 1980's in the 4th Infantry division. Part of our deployment efforts to reinforce units already stationed in Germany near the Fulda gap was aided by what was called POMCUS sites which were pre-positioned materials and vehicles which arriving reinforcements would need to merely fall in on, fuel and arm, and off you go, most likely to a near by rail load site. I took part in REFORGER '85 ( Return of Forces to Germany ) which are training missions for the event we went to war with the Warsaw Pact and the Soviet Union. Follow on reinforcement/replacement equipment was determined to be ineffectual if it required it to be shipped by sea after hostilities commenced as the Russians would have the advantage of not needing to transport long distances by sea to supplement/reinforce, and the war would be over before this kind of action could take place. This would have been a nasty war as part of the Soviet battle doctrine was to employ chemical weapons. Tactical nuclear weapons may also come into play if things went badly for the Russians, and the use of tactical nuclear and chemical weapons by NATO was also expected (we were told to expect it and nuclear/biological/chemical (NBC) training was always constant). It was really a good thing that this war never went hot.
@MrBiggrim
@MrBiggrim 5 жыл бұрын
I expect with the expected mobilisation time for Soviet forces that those sites would have already been manned and moved out before the first shots were fired. Its doubtful that there could have ever been a surprise attack. Soviet military wasn't ever at full readiness. The minute they started ramping up readiness we would have done likewise.
@jochentram9301
@jochentram9301 5 жыл бұрын
@Steve Arthur Funnily enough, even US forces already in Germany expected to use rail transport for a significant part of their deployment from peacetime barracks to their readiness areas. Unlike the roads, which any sensible planning expected to be full of refugees, the rail System would switch to prewar/wartime scheduling, according military cargos priority over everything else. State-run railway, after all.
@MrBiggrim
@MrBiggrim 5 жыл бұрын
@Steve Arthur Depth of intelligence information would be key. Military's are not ever at full readiness due to cost. In peacetime you buy and maintain your kit and personnel at a limited state of readiness (cost is not just financial but can also physically exhausting for personnel). In order to bring all the required divisions up to battle condition would require a ramping up of all sorts of needs. We are not just talking about vehicle and personnel movements but also all the spare parts that those vehicles will need. For instance, the sort of thing that Intel would be constantly monitoring is production of important items such as Car Batteries for civilian use. Spare parts shortages for vehicles was well known and thus would be monitored. For war needs such production lines would be diverted towards the Army's needs. This would be something noticeable within wider society a sudden upsurge in price and demand in the Soviet Black Market for instance. Its a seemingly small thing, but it and all these other important items that keep Armies functioning would be constantly watched for. Diesel supply, motor oils etc etc. It would be very unwise to launch a War if you are ill prepared to follow up with the required momentum to overwhelm and beat your opponent. Just look at the required preparedness that was needed to invade Iraq. Its very hard to do all that in utter secrecy. A good example of state of readiness problems - In the 1990 war, the British Army had to cannibalise hundreds of Tanks based in Germany in order to keep 220 Tanks in Kuwait combat capable such was the shortage of spare parts. If I remember rightly, approximately 1/3rd of Soviet forces available for use against NATO - important second echelon divisions - were kept at between 50-70% readiness. the rest were below 50% with some divisions below 25%. Soviet Warsaw Pact based Divisions were in a better condition but would be still not War ready for perhaps 4 weeks after Mobilisation Orders were issued. 1 million men and all that equipment need a lot of preparedness. It would be noticeable especially in a nation that then suffered all sorts of shortages from food to medical supplies, vehicle parts to fuels and oils.
@jochentram9301
@jochentram9301 5 жыл бұрын
@Steve Arthur The rail network was built, for the most part, before the Cold War. Much of it was cut when the Intra-German Border went up, but we're not talking about bringing stuff to Dresden. We're talking about going from Grafenwöhr to that border. Baumholder is still a US Army post, and it's closer to France than it ever was to East Germany. Sending that armoured brigade anywhere is faster by rail than by road.
@jochentram9301
@jochentram9301 5 жыл бұрын
@Steve Arthur Who are "they"? WarPac plans focused on two areas, the North German Plain, which is about as perfect for mechanized forces as you'll find in Europe, and the Fulda Gap, which is an area of relatively flat terrain between two minor, but heavily wooded, mountain ranges. Personally, my impression was always that the Fulda Gap was more of a diversionary element to the overall plans; not trying for it would leave US forces free to either assist in North Germany, or throw a counter-attack into the shoulder of the North German thrust. A secondary objective would have been eliminating Rhein-Main AFB, at that time the primary nexus for US air logistics. Sure, they'd advance along the entire border, but that's just basic Soviet doctrine. To oversimplify, the general advance serves to find weak spots in the defence, then you throw the operational manoeuvre group at that weak spot. Hence why NATO considered battlefield interdiction so crucial; the OMG follows the advance just outside artillery range, so they can rapidly deploy into the attack without having suffered much attrition before hitting NATO's main defence line. And frankly, I think NATO always underestimated how effective Soviet doctrine would have been, even, or perhaps especially, if the matter had stayed entirely conventional. The frontage of a Soviet tank division in the attack on a conventional battlefield is IIRC a mere 2km for 600 tanks and 300 IFVs.
@icytadbull
@icytadbull 6 жыл бұрын
Good thing Stanislav Petrov correctly identified missile attack warnings from the nuclear early-warning system of the Soviet Union, which reported the launch of multiple USAF Minuteman intercontinental ballistic missiles from bases in the United States, as a false alarm on 26 September 1983.
@ArmorKingEmir
@ArmorKingEmir 6 жыл бұрын
BMP-2 mechanic-driver here. I confirm that training and doctrine is almost identical to that of what was in 80s. But we were Motostrelki (mechanized infantry) so we are the last ones to join a war (after special forces or VDV fail)
@anulovlos
@anulovlos 6 жыл бұрын
"Dry and boring" This type of content is the reason I subscribed! Good stuff.
@tankdriver65861
@tankdriver65861 6 жыл бұрын
There’s only one way to test doctrine.... STEEL BEASTS😂😂😂😂
@Lowlander-ci7is
@Lowlander-ci7is 5 жыл бұрын
That and Armored brigade....
@cadinnelson5168
@cadinnelson5168 6 жыл бұрын
I’m frigging loving this channel, one of your videos showed up in my recommend and after that I’ve gotten hooked, not to mention the raw at which you are putting these videos out. Great stuff!
@SuperCookiemonser
@SuperCookiemonser 6 жыл бұрын
I am just happy it never kicked off, I live in germany and my dad was in the rhine army and my hometown would have been a value target since we got a huge maritime infrastructure here. Thanks for the video, it is quite eerie.
@banditdelta7172
@banditdelta7172 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Matsimus I was training in California way back in July and we got to train with the Welsh Cavalry. Don't know if you ever had a chance to work with them but is completely changed my view of the British Army they were a bunch of warriors. Great bunch of guys. So glad to be allied with y'all. 🇺🇸🇬🇧
@MrGtubedude
@MrGtubedude 6 жыл бұрын
BRAVO MATSIMUS, BRAVO. I AM IN LOVE WITH THIS VIDEO. Your videos give me life unlike these other military comparison videos made by other people with robot voices. KEEP IT UP!!
@aaronquak2139
@aaronquak2139 6 жыл бұрын
An absolutely brilliant explanation of cold war doctrine! This kind of analysis is precisely the kind of thinking that more people should be aware of. Keep up the good work!!!
@Accentaur
@Accentaur 6 жыл бұрын
Love your Cold War stuff. Nice seeing more of it actually.
@reptilespantoso
@reptilespantoso 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent overview and analysis. Thank you.
@zuppboi1124
@zuppboi1124 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making videos like this. I really learned a lot from your educational videos. I really like war and stuff.
@mcpaplus
@mcpaplus 6 жыл бұрын
Served with the 3/11th ACR right in the Fulda Gap, 75-77. Unnerving if you took time to think about it. Estimated 98% casualty rate within 24 hours of combat if the USSR came across the border.
@4evaavfc
@4evaavfc 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Matsimus for sharing this with us.
@Eye_Exist
@Eye_Exist Жыл бұрын
Just wow man, this was both so epic and terrifying to watch. Your channel is the real deal.
@Mytrix0
@Mytrix0 6 жыл бұрын
An absolutely fascinating topic, and I think I speak for a lot of us that more Cold War videos are in order.
@mezwah
@mezwah 5 жыл бұрын
Great cold war footage and info. Thank you!
@mattblom3990
@mattblom3990 6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic, both the information and the Cold War footage.
@DarkshadowXD63
@DarkshadowXD63 6 жыл бұрын
Poor Poland XD
@PdPete11795
@PdPete11795 5 жыл бұрын
My history teacher had a saying when we learned about WWII and Cold War history. "Whenever Poland is discussed, Poland is never at the table."
@HanSolo__
@HanSolo__ 5 жыл бұрын
@@PdPete11795 It is so fcukin true. We still remember how hundreds years ago any comming close of Germany and Russia was not possible due to how huge "double nation crown" Poland was - and I mean a half Europe huge. Then the bigger the fall was. Poland of today needs roughly 1k+ of 3rd gen modernized and next-gen MBTs, with addition of thousands of APCs, IFVs, MRAPs, LAVs and armed 4x4s. Of course those only with an adequate artillery profile and a 3 layered missile launching defence system. An aircraft forces in size of those used by the France with a second to none drone "qantity and quality" force. Let nobody get confused with those numbers. This is only the minimum safety plan.
@IshijimaKairo
@IshijimaKairo 3 жыл бұрын
They always had it coming.
@EcchiRevenge
@EcchiRevenge 4 жыл бұрын
7 days isn't that crazy; it just says reaching the Rhine, not eliminating all forces up to that point. Deep Battle is all about making break through with shock army, avoiding direct confrontation with strong concentration of enemy forces until main force caught up, and let the reserves encircle and wear them out.
@AmazingjosephMc
@AmazingjosephMc 6 жыл бұрын
Notification Squad here as normal, keep up the good work Matsimus loved all the recent uploads
@afatcatfromsweden
@afatcatfromsweden 6 жыл бұрын
hey matsimus theres a game called ahfganistan 11 that i realy recomend where you are playing as the us fighting militia and the taliban. Keep up the great work!
@arthas640
@arthas640 5 жыл бұрын
im gonna check ttat out
@SteelbeastsCavalry
@SteelbeastsCavalry 6 жыл бұрын
Beautiful work as always Matty. Thanks for this.
@_Matsimus_
@_Matsimus_ 6 жыл бұрын
SteelbeastsCavalry thanks buddy!
@josephweaver5385
@josephweaver5385 Жыл бұрын
I was in a Lance Unit in 5th Corp. Guarding the Fulda Gap. Our survival time was 16 minutes had a War started! Crazy things in Europe during the cold War! I am grateful to have been there for 2.5 Years and was Glad to return Home. I miss Germany. I guess because I was Young then.
@MrEpic325
@MrEpic325 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent stuff as usually! Maybe you should try to apply some of these tactics when you play Wargame, some of them work quite well and make for some fun games
@dirkbruere
@dirkbruere 5 жыл бұрын
Back in the 70s I attended a military intelligence lecture where it was stated that NATO could only be expected to hold the Soviets for 3 days after which we would go nuclear, and that once there was a "general release" of nuclear weapons down to divisional commander level the expected use would be around 200 per day in W Germany alone. An interesting vide is "WW3 - the movie" kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2LQaKKmhKyGo7M
@AngelJoe99
@AngelJoe99 6 жыл бұрын
Amazing those videos about the cold war! More. Thanks for that !
@Sidewinder5O4
@Sidewinder5O4 6 жыл бұрын
All right my man, you just made subscribe to this channel! I watched your Mong videos, I watched a military training video on physical fitness you made (very insightful and helpful I believe, even to a civilian like me who just wants to get in shape), I watched your HIND video, and these Cold War videos. I liked them, they're great! If you ever get a chance please, please, please! Do another Cold War tactics video like this, its truly fascinating to learn about this! Its really disturbing to hear that both NATO and the Soviets were willing to use tactics and strategy that would have produced extremely high casualties. And I'm not just talking about the nuclear options either! Anything on the Cold War will do really! Keep up the great work!
@pinkyandbrain123
@pinkyandbrain123 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Matsimus - In about 5’ into the video. Please add maps in such a video. It would help to see why the Fulda-Gap was so crucial in strategic terms. Otherwise great video as always 😊👍🏻
@triggerboy85v59
@triggerboy85v59 6 жыл бұрын
It was a very interesting video man, i love ww2 and Cold War era. Yet again you outdid yourself good sir!
@jasonz7788
@jasonz7788 2 жыл бұрын
Great presentation thank you
@yoda5565
@yoda5565 5 жыл бұрын
I was with the 11th ACR "Blackhorse" at FULDA, West Germany, 1981/85. This doc depicts the situation well. I would however put more emphasis on the POMCUS sights full of equipment we "maintained" and used every REFORGER. Not to mention the impact of the M1 being pushed into service in 1981 in V Corps along with the Pershing Missiles.
@bly2489
@bly2489 6 жыл бұрын
After watching this video I feel more greatful than ever to live after the Cold War. I didn't know that Austria (where I live) was such a great target. Our military wouldn't even be a obstacle, perhaps you could do a video about them? Thanks for the good content!
@Senbonzakura776
@Senbonzakura776 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video as always man.
@VictorianTimeTraveler
@VictorianTimeTraveler 6 жыл бұрын
awesome video Matsimus. thanks
@harmokkema1355
@harmokkema1355 6 жыл бұрын
This is a amezing video Matt keep this up man
@mountainpass4255
@mountainpass4255 5 жыл бұрын
15:09 "I Missed" "What do you mean you MISSED?!"
@paladin0654
@paladin0654 5 жыл бұрын
One of the most interesting posts I've seen lately. I was an artillery officer with two tours in the FRG during the Cold War. One as a Fire Direction Officer of a 155 Battery out of Bamberg and the other as an Air Defense Brigade Intelligence Officer. The "heavy armor"(2:43) did not arrive by sea, it was stored in multiple POMCUS (Prepositioning Of Materiel Configured in Unit Sets) sites throughout Germany and Holland. IF the WP invaded, as you theorized, the choke points would have been nuked by Germany and the US using tactical weapons such as 155, 8in. (not to mention air delivered weapons) and Lance. Follow on WP echelons would have the choice of becoming contaminated or staying put. The problem with the the WP moving through contaminated areas is that most troops would receive a lethal dose of radiation causing fatalities with in 24-48 hours. It's a stand off with all of eastern Europe as the loser. Even if the WP tankers survived because of their armor, their supporting logistics manpower would have been decimated. The level of destruction, nuclear contamination and human suffering would have been horrendous. Those areas would still be contaminated today, much like Chernobyl. The fundamental precept of ALB was to engage the follow-on echelons at the same time as NATO engaged the first echelon. This doctrine permeated tactics and weapons development. An example of a weapon developed for ALB is ATACMS. The missile contained 13 BATs (Brilliant Anti-Tank munitions) that in theory would kill an entire WP tank company.
@limescaleonetwo3131
@limescaleonetwo3131 6 жыл бұрын
Matt, one of your best vids man
@x11baker
@x11baker 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. We can always learn from history.
@thewomble1509
@thewomble1509 5 жыл бұрын
I had a very interesting chat with an ex UK cold war era soldier a couple of weeks ago. He was in the signals and often found himself right up on the edge of the East /West gap , listening in to the Russians. Among other things , he told me that a large amount of Soviet tanks etc, were simply "running dummies" not armoured and just put on display during the May day parades etc, for the fear factor.
@AlexanderUnit-731
@AlexanderUnit-731 4 жыл бұрын
All 60 000 of them?
@astartes3280
@astartes3280 Жыл бұрын
What he said is complete nonsense.
@plazmica0323
@plazmica0323 6 жыл бұрын
I just love to watch these videos ^ ^
@joerag6077
@joerag6077 6 жыл бұрын
Not dry, one of my favs. Thanks.
@seyyers
@seyyers 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Matismus could you cover SSBNs and SSGNs? They are part of the Nuclear triad and I would lover to see you cover them, perhaps nation by nation since they come in all shapes and sizes. Great video and love your content
@thomasnelson7300
@thomasnelson7300 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome footage.
@dumbvixen3776
@dumbvixen3776 5 жыл бұрын
You made this one video about a old british army recruitment video and I cant find it anymore xD, the clip of the close range nuclear support thing at 15:07 reminded me of it.
@MrOuion
@MrOuion 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making me try this in Wargames RD
@LoewrichKlaus
@LoewrichKlaus Жыл бұрын
i love your videos, thanks from germany Klaus
@rags417
@rags417 5 жыл бұрын
Two big doctrinal changes that you missed describing were Full Spectrum Warfare, which is basically an extension of AirLand Battle into the space and cyber spectra, and Shock and Awe, which was basically a concept derived from a single policy paper of the same name. Shock and Awe posited that if you throw enough explosives at a target in a short enough period of time you can create the same effect as the release of a nuclear weapon. They tried this in Iraq in 2003 with mixed results, AFAIK it is however still part of US doctrine.
@Berthrond
@Berthrond 6 жыл бұрын
"If you want peace prepare for war" seems to be the idea, cant help but be impressed by the artillery loader who took the recently fired/ejected brass in his hands without gloves.
@d3203
@d3203 6 жыл бұрын
Carl Hallberg Si vis pacem para bellum
@albertoamoruso7711
@albertoamoruso7711 6 жыл бұрын
Actually "Si vis pacem para bellum" means "if you want internal stability, go to war with another country"
@Berthrond
@Berthrond 6 жыл бұрын
"now conjugate the verb to go..." Should be Nazi Vampire Roman Latin Teacher :P
@albertoamoruso7711
@albertoamoruso7711 6 жыл бұрын
Carl Hallberg Or just "Nazi Roman Latin Teacher" 😂😂😂 In Italy we learn Latin in every high-school and usually the teachers are strict as lagers' commander
@Berthrond
@Berthrond 6 жыл бұрын
was thinking about the monthy python sketch with Latin :)
@penskepc2374
@penskepc2374 10 ай бұрын
The way you just explained that was incredible. It seems as if nuvpear weapons may never have been used if thing popped off.
@markbrisec3972
@markbrisec3972 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Matsimus, I would love to see a video that explains, and goes more in depth, the famed Air-Land doctrine, that was developed by the US to fight the USSR in Europe. Basis for this new doctrine is a development of the new generation of military technology that changed the war plans significantly. Main technology that underpins this doctrine are stealth, precision "smart" weapons and the new generation of battle tanks, MLRS, attack gunships, etc...
@Xenophon1
@Xenophon1 5 жыл бұрын
THE THIRD WORLD WAR by Sir John Hackett is a pretty good fictional account of what WWIII would have looked like. I was a US Army cavalry scout in the 1980's and my division (5th Infantry mechanized) would have flown to Europe on aircraft to use pre-positioned armored vehicles.
@mrs7195
@mrs7195 4 жыл бұрын
I'd love to read the book, but it is very hard to find these days.
@a.m.armstrong8354
@a.m.armstrong8354 2 жыл бұрын
Matsimus is a child of the cold war. A great summary with the candour of service and respect for the would be opponent.
@tirelesscloud7755
@tirelesscloud7755 6 жыл бұрын
Nice video as always, the cold war was a scary time.... And can you do a video about the ah-1z cobra/viper, my grandpa was in vietnam and he said he loved to see them flying around with oh-6 Cayuse's and huey's giving him covering fire on the ground.
@josephconradsa5375
@josephconradsa5375 6 жыл бұрын
Tireless Cloud77 south Vietnamese army , United nations or Us army?
@tirelesscloud7755
@tirelesscloud7755 6 жыл бұрын
Joseph conrad SA US army he left in 1971
@mrpirate3470
@mrpirate3470 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent Video. I Served in BAOR in the late 1980's at the Minden Gap, waiting for 3rd Shock Army to come skipping across the border.
@larryclyons
@larryclyons 6 жыл бұрын
One thing I think the Soviets never considered is that the North German Plain was not open space anymore. Rather it covered with small towns and villages. One of the tactics I remember learning were what the British called sponge Tactics. small units centered around a ATGM at the edge of one village. when you see the column of advancing tanks you take out the commander's tank and the rear one. Retreat to the next town, which was about the range of a ATGM and do the same. The Soviets would deploy the support infantry to clear the town before proceeding. By that time we'd be set up in the next town ready to do the same again. Rinse and repeat. In one ReForger exercise we shredded several tank columns and their infantry support using these tactics.
@Ome99
@Ome99 6 жыл бұрын
I still hold the opinion that AirLand Battle is a superior and timeless military doctrine. Adoption of Full Spectrum Dominance doctrine was a mistake. It's too costly, makes too many assumptions, and drives foreign policy in a dangerous direction. EDIT: Please make a video about Full spectrum dominance, how it arose after the collapse of the USSR, how it works, and your opinion on it in comparison to other doctrines.
@Internetbutthurt
@Internetbutthurt 6 жыл бұрын
Full Spectrum Dominance is just a long winded way of saying megalomania.
@tarnvedra9952
@tarnvedra9952 6 жыл бұрын
There were three Soviet manned nuclear munitions storage facilities in Czechoslovakia. Codename: JAVOR. They were storing nuclear munitions for CS rocket and heavy artillery units. They were supposed to be used to blow a hole in enemy lines for tanks to exploit.
@judgedredd8657
@judgedredd8657 6 жыл бұрын
loved this one
@TheFearDasTier
@TheFearDasTier 5 жыл бұрын
nice & epic intro matsimus ;D
@jamoje6327
@jamoje6327 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome music choice at the start
@citizen_or_civilian
@citizen_or_civilian 4 жыл бұрын
*Nice footage.*
@ninjagonesmith4495
@ninjagonesmith4495 5 жыл бұрын
I love your video keep up good work
@_Matsimus_
@_Matsimus_ 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! Check out my new ones :)
@ninjagonesmith4495
@ninjagonesmith4495 5 жыл бұрын
@@_Matsimus_ thanks you for like my chet ;)
@raidellcorps
@raidellcorps 6 жыл бұрын
That footage. Cool video
@alphamoon_
@alphamoon_ 6 жыл бұрын
6:45 Daaaamn that soldier sliding down the ramp is smooth af
@albmartinez314
@albmartinez314 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. I wanted to ask if you could ever do a video on British Army kit like PLCE or the webbing you used in Afghanistan. Or if you've ever worked with other NATO troops and your experiences with them.
@MrTomte09
@MrTomte09 6 жыл бұрын
Matsimus, when you use videos of various exercises or anything else, show some descriptions of what we are seeing such as "Soviet military exercise in Poland in 1981" or "NATO Airborne exercise in Bavaria in 1988" or the like. I was intrigued by the last footage of an army armed with Centurions, Garands, M1 105 howitzers. What were they, Dutch? Love your videos, just keep them coming! BTW sorry my English doesn't completely add up :)
@carlh9120
@carlh9120 6 жыл бұрын
They're Danish
@Anthony-bs5ov
@Anthony-bs5ov 9 ай бұрын
Not enough good Cold War stuff out there, thank you!
@Pincer88
@Pincer88 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Matsimus, Excellent video once more, my compliments! A bit of more background information on the topic. I served with 1 NL Army Corps, adjacent on the North of BAOR (we often had exercises at the Sennelager training area) during the eighties. We were informed and briefed about the NATO tactical plan to counter WP. The plan was to absorb the initial onslaught by dugging in and delaying the offensive with hit and run tactics. Meanwhile, NATO Air Forces were to launch Follow On Forces Attack (FOFA) to destroy 2nd and 3rd echelons and Lines of Communication (LOC) in the WP hinterland. At the same time, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and the UK would mobilize their reserves (which in the case of the Netherlands could be activated within 24 hours and be combat ready in 48 hours) and start a retreating battle, 'buying' time for the American reinforcements to arrive. This battle would last a week, we were told. We had three main concerns back then; Soviet special forces (Spetsnaz), Soviet NBC weapons and Soviet tactical aviation (helicopters, attack fighter-bombers). Soviet armor and artillery of course were regarded as dangeous too, but we all were convinced that we could deal with that, although the estimation was that for every 10 WP tanks, we would suffer a loss of 3 ourselves. Artillery was regarded as short ranged and not very precise which the Soviets compensated for by having huge amounts of artillery pieces. But they could be taken out by counter artillery fire, our artillery officers were confident. We operated the Hughes Firefinder artillery locating radars and after the rounds would have left their barrels, our rounds would be pretty much underway to their positions as well. Our tanks were vastly superior - all but in numbers - to the WP ones, having excellent night vision capabilities and fire on the move effectiveness close to 100%, just like our ATGWs. Spetsnaz were a whole different kind of threat though. They were supposed to be already among the Western European population, waiting for a sign to spring into action. They would blow bridges, attack fuel and ammo stores, command centres and put sand into our well rehearsed mobilization efforts. NBC warfare would severly hamper our ability to fight as well, the more so, because most western armies hardly had any NBC decontamination units or equipment ( 1NL Army Corps only had one company, I don't know about the BAOR). And they had such vast air forces, that our air dfence artillery would probably been saturated pretty soon. Enter Air Land Battle. Air bases became small fortresses against Spetsnaz. And as their tactical aviation and their tactical ballistic missiles were short ranged, the idea was, to take them out from the air. We know now, how difficult the Scud hunting mission was in Iraq, but back then our generals were confident our air forces would succeed. And enter the Patriot system. All in al I am glad it did not come that far. However, today we're sliding towards a same scenario again, albeit of smaler scale as both European NATO members and Russia have much smaller armed forces. Let's hope both our politicians and Putin do the math and recognize there's nothing to be gained by waging war. If we have to however, we'll better be prepared. At present, we are not, after having fought insurgents for far too long and having neglected our conventional warfare tactics and equipment. We've sold much of our (anti-aircraft) artillery, tanks, mechanized infantry fighting vehicles and replaced them with air transportable, light armored vehicles with in most cases not much more than a .50 cal HMG or 7.62mm MG on it. Air forces have been reduced severly (for example: look at how much the aircraft the RAF had back then and the small amount it has right now) and our navies aren't in a better shape. At the same time, a lot of fancy stuff has come into service of which most is utterly inpractible in all out war (UAVs are sitting ducks for anti aircraft artillery for instance). Besides that, Europe is in political shambles after the Euro-crisis, the 2008 economic crisis, the large influx of refugees from North Africa, Iraq and Syria, Brexit, etc., etc. It's all coming down to wether how Putin estimates our resolve to defend the baltic states and our flanks (South: Bulgaria and Romenia, North: Norway, Finland and Poland). In my view, Britain could not have picked a worse moment to leave the EU, signaling that Western European political cohesion is crumbling - which of course it is, regardless of Brexit.
@windowsxp2269
@windowsxp2269 4 жыл бұрын
8:02 truly inspirational design teaching the limits of potential
@Calbeck
@Calbeck 5 жыл бұрын
I trained for this war back in the late '80s, when it was still thought of as a virtual inevitability. As an M1A1 armor crewman, my training included reaction to immediate nuclear flash from various directions, both mounted and dismounted. If the flash came from the right, for example, then the driver would turn INTO it and go hatch-down (the most aerodynamic option), while the turret would traverse to the rear in hopes of protecting the gun barrel from the blast wave. We were expected to carry out operations in MOPP4 (maximum NBC protection) for in excess of 24 hours (at which point the charcoal linings of the suits would have largely degraded due to being soaked with sweat). The objective of that period would be to break contact, advance or retreat from the strike area and rendevous with a decontamination unit for full equipment, personnel, and vehicle scrubdowns. And then we would receive new orders to re-engage the enemy... business as usual.
@ericolsen5592
@ericolsen5592 4 жыл бұрын
According to my dad, a USMC combat engineer in the early '80s, the main infantry tactic was to get naked, smoke dope until you're toasted, get in a Huey helicopter and play Led Zeppelin over the chopper's loudspeakers, and then rappel from the chopper into a beer-filled dumpster while screaming "FUCK OFF IVAN" and firing your rifle indiscriminately. I think my dad might be the reason people think Marines eat crayons.
@tommeakin1732
@tommeakin1732 6 жыл бұрын
5:04 Sergey: "Ivan.... What are you doing...? Is that a *knife* in your hand...?" Ivan: "I AM RUSKIE-RAMBO COMRAAAAAAAAADE" Sergey: "IVAAAAN, NOOOOOO **dives after Ivan** "
@thatguy4305
@thatguy4305 6 жыл бұрын
Step 1: Drink Vodka. Step 2: Press the big red button. Step 3: Watch the world burn. Literally.
@anon-iraq2655
@anon-iraq2655 5 жыл бұрын
The lucky ones die that fast, the unlucky get to live and drafted and sent to war in the post apocalyptic world, food and fresh water becomes super scarse,civilians decending into anarchy looting and killing eachother for basic supplies, soldiers killing and looting civilians for their food, even cannibalism
@dougbennett8592
@dougbennett8592 5 жыл бұрын
​@@anon-iraq2655 Then there's radiation sickness, nothing like shiting out your guts before you die. And if you manage to survive all of that then there's nuclear winter. Thank God the Cold War didn't go hot.
@joe-nf8go
@joe-nf8go 6 жыл бұрын
Do more like this!!
@snotcycle
@snotcycle 6 жыл бұрын
+Matsimus great vid. To Anyone who wants to learn more about this topic, required reading is Red Storm Rising by Tom Clancy. The book is a hypothetical NATO/CCCP cold war confict. Political, Strategic, and Tactical levels are expounded on in all detail that Clancy is known for. A great read
@piotrd.4850
@piotrd.4850 6 жыл бұрын
I thnik that while Clancy simply had to make some choices for plot to resolve and he and Bond made some questionable choices, he nailed the issue: high-tech attrition campaign defined by so many variables that essentialy impossible to predict. Also: Ralph Peters, Red Army.
@grantnorthcott5112
@grantnorthcott5112 2 жыл бұрын
@@piotrd.4850 There was also "Team Yankee", A novel about a tank heavy combat team at the outbreak of hostilities by Harold Coyle. Damn fine reading.
@vermas4654
@vermas4654 2 жыл бұрын
Tho after 2/3 of the book the Soviets suddenly seem to loose all kind of skill. But still a great reaf
@vincentgaulin6663
@vincentgaulin6663 6 жыл бұрын
Good video! Could you make more like this?
@slmyatt
@slmyatt 3 жыл бұрын
1982 RAF Upper Heyford priority target probable Chemical attack with projected minimum 80% casualty rate even with training and hardened shelters for F111s. NBC capable field hospital set up 20 miles away at RAF Bicester at in unsealed barracks at first, but decon/treatment to nearby hardened WW2 chemical warfare shelter formerly meant for command and control. We turned it into a positive pressure triage and treatment center. My wartime job was decontamination of wounded before treatment. And the positive pressure filter system heat was stuck on high, while wearing the Charcoal mopp suits and gas masks for hours at a time because my team was on the hot side, disrobe and decon of wounded before passing them to treatment side. Very dangerous in presence of persistent nerve agents.
@simonforget280
@simonforget280 6 жыл бұрын
Here is my suggestion for future vids: CL-(2)89, CL-227 and CRV7. Keep up your good work.
@glenschumannGlensWorkshop
@glenschumannGlensWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@Ensiferum01
@Ensiferum01 6 жыл бұрын
Great discussion but really suffered from a lack of maps.
@Riceball01
@Riceball01 6 жыл бұрын
Great video and very informative, however, you could've done one thing to improve it and that's when you were talking about the Fulda Gap you should have put up a map showing where exactly the Fulda Gap is, and, to a lesser degree, the GI-UK Gap as well. It doesn't need to be fancy, just a basic map with maybe something drawn on it denoting where the respective gap(s) is/are, that way those who may not where the gap(s) is/are and/or have a hard time picturing the location have a visual aid to help with that.
@asadr9794
@asadr9794 6 жыл бұрын
Thank God it didn't happen
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