How Did Genesis Know That?

[@CosmicSkeptic]

Full debate available now on Pangburn Philosophy’s KZbin channel!

[@RinZ3993]

This debate is a goldmine for shorts.. Dinesh doesn't need more than 30 seconds to sound stupid

[@veridicusmaximus6010]

Funny thing is that Genesis does not say that the Universe had a beginning. It actually teaches creatio ex materia and God taking that material and giving it form and function - basically order from chaos!

[@djksan1]

Wait, Pangburn is still around?? They screwed so many people over back in 2018 with the event that never happened in NYC. Myself included.

[@bengreen171]

I wish you'd been this scathing with Peterson.

[@bignenny]

Working with criminals and frauds. You must be desperate for that cash Alex

[@j0b01231]

‘You can’t now move the goalposts, especially if you’re still going to miss’ Now THAT was a Hitchslap if ever I’ve heard one.

[@jaffaarmy]

I think he’s on his way to become more infamous than the great hitch, he is. Mid 20s and is debating the same people

[@stevenl378]

Get hitch slapped 😂😂😂

[@cg1906]

Do we still need to carry the idol of Hitchens hero worship around?

[@ZombieLover84]

@@cg1906 Yes. He was incredibly important to the public discourse in these areas.

[@stevenl378]

@@ZombieLover84 💪

[@zcobryant]

“You can’t move the goalposts, especially if you’re still going to miss.” Is one of the best zingers I’ve ever heard.

[@michaeltaylor981]

Read Job 38:9, go back and read the creation account, and do it all with the understanding that the framework has God hovering over the Earth. Lastly, when it says he “made the sun, moon, stars” it is in a complete verb form in Hebrew which means it is not stating at what point before that moment he made them. If you want to disbelieve, Satan will make it very easy. If you want the TRUTH, seek and ye shall find. You cannot grasp truth in subjects as complex as God by scratching at the surface and thinking well enough.

[@zcobryant]

⁠​⁠@@michaeltaylor981 “read the religious text that I believe, and make sure you frame it up just the right way so that it makes sense.” Nah man. I appreciate the offer but I’m good. If you wanna believe that book, have at it!

[@kadencoates8774]

@@michaeltaylor981 "If you want to disbelieve, Satan will make it very easy. If you want the TRUTH, seek and ye shall find." Christians always say this, but I've been seeking god's truth for decades and haven't found anything.

[@PatrickManser]

​@@kadencoates8774 seek harder. If you don't find him, you haven't looked hard enough. ObViOuSlY. /s

[@HereComesThe-Sun]

Doesn't Satan being able to manipulate our minds kinda take away from our free will/decision to believe

[@rocklee169]

“Well in context we don’t know what day means” *”yeah but day 4 definitely comes after day 1”* 😂😂

[@A.I.Silicate]

Well, if it’s that ambiguous, then it’s not worth reading. How people think the Bible is a book to be followed when everything can be so skewed by personal interpretation is bonkers. Oh ya a God wrote this book 🤪 clearly ancient Middle Easter tribal males wrote the book.

[@GodsDisciple7]

Hey there, God loves you❤️, please read everything thank you.😊🙏 Discover True Hope and Unconditional Love Hey there! Did you know that God loves you more than you can imagine? He created you and desires a close relationship with you. The Bible tells us in John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." 1 John 4:9-10 says, "This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins." ❤️📖 Our Problem: We all make mistakes, which the Bible calls sin. Sin separates us from God and creates chaos in our lives. Romans 3:23 says, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." This sin separates us from God and leads to spiritual death. Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." God's Solution: Here’s the incredible part: God loves us so much that He sent Jesus, His Son, to solve our sin problem. Romans 5:8 tells us, 'But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.' Jesus lived a perfect life and willingly died on the cross for our sins. Then He rose from the dead, demonstrating His power over sin and death.🙏✝️ What We Need to Do: God offers us a fresh start and eternal life through Jesus. To receive this gift, we must repent-turn away from our sins, believe in Jesus, and choose to follow Him. Acts 3:19 says, 'Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord.' (Romans 10:9 assures us, 'If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.🕊️🙌 Reasons to believe: 1. Countless individuals, including me, have encountered God in deeply personal ways-through answered prayers, supernatural phenomena, miraculous healings, and transformative encounters that defy logical or scientific explanation affirming the existence of a higher power, which we believe to be God. Furthermore, witnessing demonic activity and the reality of spiritual warfare underscores the existence of a supernatural realm. These experiences not only highlight the battle between good and evil but also demonstrate the necessity of seeking God's protection and love. These experiences often bring a profound sense of awareness, peace, purpose, and assurance of God’s presence and love in their lives.🌟✨ "So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand." Isaiah 41:10 2. Life Transformation: People from diverse backgrounds and circumstances have experienced radical life changes through faith in Jesus Christ. They’ve overcome deep-seated addictions, healed from emotional wounds, and found renewed hope and direction. Their stories of transformation stand as powerful testimony to the life-changing power of the gospel.🌿🌈 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!" 2 Corinthians 5:17 3. Historical Evidence: The life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ are not only central to Christian faith but are also supported by substantial historical evidence. Numerous non-Christian historical sources and early Christian writings corroborate key events, affirming the credibility of Jesus’ existence, crucifixion, and the empty tomb.📜🌍 4. Fulfillment of Prophecies: Jesus fulfilled numerous prophecies from the Old Testament Scriptures that were written centuries before His birth. These prophecies include specific details about His birthplace, lineage, suffering, death, and resurrection. The fulfillment of these prophecies provides compelling evidence of Jesus’ divine identity as the promised Messiah.🌟✝️ 5. Logical Consistency: Faith in God through Jesus Christ offers a coherent worldview that addresses humanity’s deepest existential questions. It provides a framework for understanding the meaning of life, the reality of suffering, and the possibility of forgiveness and redemption. This faith does not require ignoring facts but rather integrates historical, philosophical, and experiential evidence into a compelling narrative of truth and hope.🧠💡 6. Transformed Communities: Throughout history and even today, communities of believers in Jesus Christ have demonstrated remarkable unity, sacrificial love, and positive societal impact. From charitable works and social justice initiatives to advancements in education and healthcare, the gospel has inspired individuals and communities to live out their faith in tangible ways that benefit society as a whole.🌍❤️ 7. Personal Relationship with God: Beyond mere intellectual belief, faith in Jesus Christ opens the door to a deep, personal connection with God. Through prayer, worship, and the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, believers engage in ongoing communion with God. This relationship brings profound spiritual fulfillment, guidance, and an increasing awareness of His presence in their lives. It's not just about knowing about God but experiencing His love and guidance firsthand, shaping a meaningful and transformative journey of faith.🫂❤️‍🔥 Simple Prayer of Response: Heavenly Father, Thank You for loving me unconditionally and for sending Your Son, Jesus, to die for my sins. I confess that I’ve made mistakes, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe that Jesus died on the cross and rose again to give me new life. I invite Him into my heart as my Savior and Lord. Please help me to follow You faithfully and to live according to Your will each day. In Jesus’ name, Amen. 🙏✝️ If you prayed this prayer sincerely, congratulations! You’ve begun a wonderful journey with God. Here are some steps you can take to grow in your faith: 1. Find a Church: Look for a local church, where you can learn more about God, worship with others, and build supportive relationships. I recommend the Catholic Church because Im a Catholic Christian.⛪🤝 2. Read the Bible: Start reading the Bible regularly to discover more about God’s love, His promises, and how He wants you to live.📖🕊️ 3. Pray: Spend time in prayer every day, talking to God and listening for His guidance and comfort.🙌🌿 4. Connect with Others: Surround yourself with fellow believers who can encourage and support you in your spiritual journey.🌟🤗 5. Live Out Your Faith: Seek opportunities to serve others, show kindness, and share God’s love with those around you.🌍❤️ My Note: • I recommend you to pray The Divine Mercy Chaplet daily at 3pm. • I recommend you to pray the Holy Rosary (1-2x daily) or praying in tongues daily. • I recommend you to pray The Angelus prayer, The Lord's prayer, Hail Mary prayer, St. Michael prayer, Angel of God prayer, Glory be prayer daily. I recommend you to pray these prayers (3x daily): (Morning) 6am, (Noon) 12pm, and (Evening) 6pm. Recommended Christian YT channels: 1. The Catholic Crusade 2. Last Days 3. Sid Roth It's Supernatural 4. Sensus Fidelium 5. David diga Hernandez 6. Vlad Savchuk 7. Isaiah Saldivar 8. Brother Hyeok 9. Richard Lorenzo Jr. 10. DLM Christian Lifestyle 11. Bible Project 12. Ascension presents There are many more on YT if you research. Matthew 7:7, "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." Remember, God has a plan and purpose for your life, and He promises to be with you every step of the way. Jeremiah 29:11 says, "For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."🌟🕊️ God bless you, and remember-Jesus loves you, I love you, and together, we can experience the fullness of God’s amazing love. 😊🙏❤️ #JesusChrist #Christianity #GodsLove #FaithJourney #EternalLife #Prayer #SpiritualJourney #ShareTheGospel

[@Mewse1203]

"Yeah but it means epoch or eras" "Ok, that's much worse" 😂😂 Dinesh walked right into up to a tar pit and Alex pushed him in with a breath.

[@waxwaine]

1 to 7 is a priority order of creations to receive MEN, not a sequence. First, you build the house and last you put people inside

[@Mewse1203]

@@waxwaine cool apologetics

[@TheEnglishCoach]

If God was able to create a full grown man, why couldn’t he also create a “full grown” sun AFTER creating earth? It’s funny how humans try to understand God according to what we know, believe, and understand, but God is GOD and can do things in any order he wants… and He is so far outside of our understanding we can’t even begin to comprehend His ways. A little humility goes a long way.

[@treybarker8167]

There was a time when watching this would've shaken my faith. And like the apologist in the video I would've tried reconciling my understanding of what the Bible says to what science says. But God has exposed that scientists repeatedly pivot their perspectives and the Bible has been proven right in areas we previously thought it to be wrong. So, as unpopular as it may be, I disagree with scientists. I believe the earth came before the sun. No, I dont know how it was done but I'm confident it was.

[@aqf0786]

So your logic is to embrace the contradiction after relating it to a completely unrelated fact (full grown man -> full grown sun)? This is the power of belief and its weakness 😂

[@teggerzz]

A little humility would be saying, “gee I guess I don’t know. Let’s find out” And that’s how we discovered that uh… no, your fairytale is not real. And humility would be, “whoops. I thought I knew the deepest secret of the universe and was correct on it, but I’ve come to realize the sheer arrogance of that and am taking a step back. I guess if I want to say there is a god, I can’t know which god would even be the real one. Or if there’s only one. Everyone’s got a book saying theirs is true, none of us have any more evidence for our convictions than any of the others. I guess since we dropped the god hypothesis, we’ve developed faster than ever before and have seen miracles of technology. Maybe, just maybe, I should open my mind to the actual truth instead of bury my head in the sand insisting that my imaginary friend is real”

[@TheEnglishCoach]

@@teggerzz my “imaginary friend” is the best thing that ever happened to me. I hope you get to know him one day. It will change your life, blow your mind, and fill you with a depth of peace and understanding that you can’t even comprehend. I wish you all the best on your journey. This world is not an easy place to be.

[@teggerzz]

@@TheEnglishCoach it’s the only place you’ve ever been or will ever be. Easy or difficult relative to… what, exactly? Some people never get over sucking their thumb, I guess. You’re free to suck the thumb of religion all your life if you really want to. But you are missing the only chance you’ll ever get to learn the truth. Such a waste but, it’s just the quality of your mind I suppose.

[@FuneFox]

"The bible got this right" "But it also got this wrong" "Well it's not a science book" EDIT: This comment must've struck a lot of nerves because I'm still getting notifications from it.

[@The_Orphanizer]

"it just described a process!" Well, it describes the process incorrectly.

[@m-ox2tx]

​@@The_OrphanizerWhat would you say to the argument that it's supposed to be Metaphorical?

[@The_Orphanizer]

@@m-ox2tx i would ask: "was it always assumed to be metaphorical, or did that interpretation conveniently rise to prominence after the development of the scientific revolution?"

[@m-ox2tx]

@@The_Orphanizer Not necessarily, or else that would position most interpretations of the Bible as literal before a certain point which would be taking the argument as it's most undesirable angle. Certain stories are obviously meant to be metaphorical in nature, so the idea then becomes how much of the Bible can be looked at as metaphorical as a valid interpretation. Which is why the Bible can neither condone or condemn anything, not only because of its heavily contradictory nature but because of how one Christian may look at it when compared to another Christian.

[@flanderg123]

When I use a metaphor crutch, I prefer a splintered reed.

[@riskybiscuits688]

That was the most beautiful example of hoisting on your own petard I've ever seen. Bravo Alex for not letting him get out of his corner while not being a jerk about it.

[@TheFPSCameron]

Dinesh did look really petarded in this whole thing, yeah

[@dirkmoras]

I'm Dutch and I translated "hoisting on your own pretard" and I love it.

[@riskybiscuits688]

@@dirkmoras 🤣

[@emailvonsour]

Good job butchering Shakespeare.

[@sirnunez7923]

What do you mean idiot , Alex is fkn stupid. Hahaha as are you. You aren’t able to read and comprehend hahahahah

[@eddymuigai3909]

This debate was a public execution

[@Xulios16]

Not really. He said the scientific method reveals his belief. The only issue is that the scientific method requires observation and must be repeatable and since no one has observed it this is not scientific.😮

[@RaphaelBraun]

​@@Xulios16No, the scientific method requires evidence, not direct observation. Besides, this is not the point of the comment. The comment intended to say, that the person thought that Alex was the clear winner in the debate !!!in their opinion!!!. If you check the comments underneath the original debate you will find a lot of comments which use very strong language to express how much Alex won this debate. They write about "massacre", "genocide", "murder", "slaughter", "destroy". Note that those are attempts to make clear that Alex not just won in their opinion, but won in such a convincing way, that just stating "Alex won" sounds like an understatement. It's totally fine if you don't share that opinion.

[@eddymuigai3909]

@@Xulios16 I once heard Brian Cox say something on a JRE episode in the lines of 'If you can't measure something, it does not exist' The scientific method doesn't always provide observable evidence but as long as you can measure it, you can prove it

[@Xulios16]

@@eddymuigai3909 Yeah I think that's a logically false statement. One cannot measure love or measure consciousness etc etc. But it is as real as the air you breathe.

[@xenon3633]

@@Xulios16 I think that the Earth is "real" in a different way than love or by extension consciousness is "real" though. Yeah, consciousness is real, but is it a real tangible thing, or simply chemical reactions in the brain that we can measure. Of course it's more than the sum of its parts, which makes it the greatest mystery to modern biology, but it's certainly intangible, though real. In the same way God is intangible, making it impossible to prove or disprove, however there is a little less than an infinite amount more evidence for consciousness "existing" than god. Really difficult to discuss such things over text, but you've brought up a super interesting point about the very concept of existence (tangible and intangible) itself.

[@DJHubcap]

Some of them wanna abuse you. Some of them wanna be abused.. -Eurythmics

[@treyforest1999]

"How did the writers of Genesis know the universe had a beginning?" It either did or it didn't. That's a 50/50 guess

[@SaHaRaSquad]

And for a human something infinite isn't even comprehensible, so they'll always make the guess that makes more sense to them.

[@rsr6193]

Exactly 😂

[@captainblackthumb]

Yeah!!! Shrodingers CAT!! LOL

[@PromptedHawk]

You forget the best thing - it's actually a 100/0 guess because it plays both sides: The universe was created from nothing by god at genesis - beginning genesis 1 describes that there were waters and all that so that's existing material that god shaped into the world - no beginning, was always there, just like god Which interpretation? Depends on who you're arguing with, and if they're enough of a weasel it also depends on what the point in discussion is.

[@YourWrongImRight933]

Why does the Bible mention Jerusalem so much? Why is Israel currently under siege? Who predicted this?

[@kreaturen]

"How did the authors of Genesis know that?!" Good grief, imagining "a beginning" is the most intuitive thing in the world.

[@sandroelbers]

and yet an unfounded and unwarranted conclusion.

[@KevinMannix-sf5zk]

@@sandroelbers "you cant see past the end of your nose" interpret that :) you as they say are a "literal fool"

[@yt.personal.identification]

Every story needs a beginning. Going with a strong opener is a great literary technique.

[@mbrum3230]

​@@sandroelbers agreed. For example if there was ever absolutely nothing how would that condition ever change?

[@KevinMannix-sf5zk]

@@CraigScottFrost Well seeing as we are the only sound focused creature on earth, then I guess saying the grower of all things does SPEAK to us all , in our sound brain created delusion P.S only one of our 7 brains focuses on sound, and we can over associate with that noise and pretend the rest of us does not exist , like instead of 7 gods we have the one god otherwise known as the LEFT PFC Notice that ? created in 7 days, you have 7 brains, its all encoded

[@markhaunert5029]

Dinesh is creating more atheist than Alex is.

[@ene5520]

😂😂😂

[@1193bobmcc]

Lmao!!

[@Handlethis342]

Comment of the week!

[@AlanXEverfrost]

It's a team effort. Dinesh sets himself up, Alex knocks him down, Dinesh stumbles and does that funny dance-in-the-air thing cartoons do as they scramble to try and stay up before falling a humiliatingly long way down.

[@markhaunert5029]

@AlanXEverfrost Ha good point. That's what happens when you put the best in their field up against the worst in theirs.

[@christophernye1970]

"All right....so..so..so..so"😂

[@BMCKINN7]

Man got cooked in this debate. Completely embarrassed himself

[@chadalpha7983]

Dinesh feels no shame, he's a sociopathic huckster

[@feonor26]

He obviously learned nothing from being slapped by the Hitch either when he was alive.

[@matthewrhee8242]

If one's interpretation of the book of truth counters that one's interpretation of the book of nature, then one's interpretation(s) of one or both must be wrong. Hypothesis: the Bible is the Book of Truth; and nature is truthful.

[@GodsDisciple7]

Hey there, God loves you❤️, please read everything thank you.😊🙏 Discover True Hope and Unconditional Love Hey there! Did you know that God loves you more than you can imagine? He created you and desires a close relationship with you. The Bible tells us in John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." 1 John 4:9-10 says, "This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins." ❤️📖 Our Problem: We all make mistakes, which the Bible calls sin. Sin separates us from God and creates chaos in our lives. Romans 3:23 says, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." This sin separates us from God and leads to spiritual death. Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." God's Solution: Here’s the incredible part: God loves us so much that He sent Jesus, His Son, to solve our sin problem. Romans 5:8 tells us, 'But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.' Jesus lived a perfect life and willingly died on the cross for our sins. Then He rose from the dead, demonstrating His power over sin and death.🙏✝️ What We Need to Do: God offers us a fresh start and eternal life through Jesus. To receive this gift, we must repent-turn away from our sins, believe in Jesus, and choose to follow Him. Acts 3:19 says, 'Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord.' (Romans 10:9 assures us, 'If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.🕊️🙌 Reasons to believe: 1. Countless individuals, including me, have encountered God in deeply personal ways-through answered prayers, supernatural phenomena, miraculous healings, and transformative encounters that defy logical or scientific explanation affirming the existence of a higher power, which we believe to be God. Furthermore, witnessing demonic activity and the reality of spiritual warfare underscores the existence of a supernatural realm. These experiences not only highlight the battle between good and evil but also demonstrate the necessity of seeking God's protection and love. These experiences often bring a profound sense of awareness, peace, purpose, and assurance of God’s presence and love in their lives.🌟✨ "So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand." Isaiah 41:10 2. Life Transformation: People from diverse backgrounds and circumstances have experienced radical life changes through faith in Jesus Christ. They’ve overcome deep-seated addictions, healed from emotional wounds, and found renewed hope and direction. Their stories of transformation stand as powerful testimony to the life-changing power of the gospel.🌿🌈 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!" 2 Corinthians 5:17 3. Historical Evidence: The life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ are not only central to Christian faith but are also supported by substantial historical evidence. Numerous non-Christian historical sources and early Christian writings corroborate key events, affirming the credibility of Jesus’ existence, crucifixion, and the empty tomb.📜🌍 4. Fulfillment of Prophecies: Jesus fulfilled numerous prophecies from the Old Testament Scriptures that were written centuries before His birth. These prophecies include specific details about His birthplace, lineage, suffering, death, and resurrection. The fulfillment of these prophecies provides compelling evidence of Jesus’ divine identity as the promised Messiah.🌟✝️ 5. Logical Consistency: Faith in God through Jesus Christ offers a coherent worldview that addresses humanity’s deepest existential questions. It provides a framework for understanding the meaning of life, the reality of suffering, and the possibility of forgiveness and redemption. This faith does not require ignoring facts but rather integrates historical, philosophical, and experiential evidence into a compelling narrative of truth and hope.🧠💡 6. Transformed Communities: Throughout history and even today, communities of believers in Jesus Christ have demonstrated remarkable unity, sacrificial love, and positive societal impact. From charitable works and social justice initiatives to advancements in education and healthcare, the gospel has inspired individuals and communities to live out their faith in tangible ways that benefit society as a whole.🌍❤️ 7. Personal Relationship with God: Beyond mere intellectual belief, faith in Jesus Christ opens the door to a deep, personal connection with God. Through prayer, worship, and the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, believers engage in ongoing communion with God. This relationship brings profound spiritual fulfillment, guidance, and an increasing awareness of His presence in their lives. It's not just about knowing about God but experiencing His love and guidance firsthand, shaping a meaningful and transformative journey of faith.🫂❤️‍🔥 Simple Prayer of Response: Heavenly Father, Thank You for loving me unconditionally and for sending Your Son, Jesus, to die for my sins. I confess that I’ve made mistakes, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe that Jesus died on the cross and rose again to give me new life. I invite Him into my heart as my Savior and Lord. Please help me to follow You faithfully and to live according to Your will each day. In Jesus’ name, Amen. 🙏✝️ If you prayed this prayer sincerely, congratulations! You’ve begun a wonderful journey with God. Here are some steps you can take to grow in your faith: 1. Find a Church: Look for a local church, where you can learn more about God, worship with others, and build supportive relationships. I recommend the Catholic Church because Im a Catholic Christian.⛪🤝 2. Read the Bible: Start reading the Bible regularly to discover more about God’s love, His promises, and how He wants you to live.📖🕊️ 3. Pray: Spend time in prayer every day, talking to God and listening for His guidance and comfort.🙌🌿 4. Connect with Others: Surround yourself with fellow believers who can encourage and support you in your spiritual journey.🌟🤗 5. Live Out Your Faith: Seek opportunities to serve others, show kindness, and share God’s love with those around you.🌍❤️ My Note: • I recommend you to pray The Divine Mercy Chaplet daily at 3pm. • I recommend you to pray the Holy Rosary (1-2x daily) or praying in tongues daily. • I recommend you to pray The Angelus prayer, The Lord's prayer, Hail Mary prayer, St. Michael prayer, Angel of God prayer, Glory be prayer daily. I recommend you to pray these prayers (3x daily): (Morning) 6am, (Noon) 12pm, and (Evening) 6pm. Recommended Christian YT channels: 1. The Catholic Crusade 2. Last Days 3. Sid Roth It's Supernatural 4. Sensus Fidelium 5. David diga Hernandez 6. Vlad Savchuk 7. Isaiah Saldivar 8. Brother Hyeok 9. Richard Lorenzo Jr. 10. DLM Christian Lifestyle 11. Bible Project 12. Ascension presents There are many more on YT if you research. Matthew 7:7, "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." Remember, God has a plan and purpose for your life, and He promises to be with you every step of the way. Jeremiah 29:11 says, "For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."🌟🕊️ God bless you, and remember-Jesus loves you, I love you, and together, we can experience the fullness of God’s amazing love. 😊🙏❤️ #JesusChrist #Christianity #GodsLove #FaithJourney #EternalLife #Prayer #SpiritualJourney #ShareTheGospel

[@davidspencer343]

​@matthewrhee8242 that's making fun of someone who believes that right? Like that isn't actually your take its satire?

[@3_14pie]

"so why they got that bit wrong?" "..." "..." "... alright, so.." that pause lmao

[@maambomumba6123]

The Genesis account of creation doesn’t say the Sun was created after the Earth. The account is written from the perspective of an observer standing on the surface of the Earth. It tells you the order in which things became visually manifest; what could be seen in which creation epoch. The reference to God making the “two great luminaries for dominating the day and dominating the night” is pointing to what was happening visually. During the first day light diffuses through the atmosphere but its source could not yet be seen. Only until the fourth creation epoch did the Sun and the moon become discernible from the Earths surface.

[@drrickmarshall1191]

​@@maambomumba6123If you can't see the source of light, you're not going to see the light at all.

[@davebowman760]

@@maambomumba6123 before the Sun was formed, there was no Earth to be standing on for any observer. Also, the text doesn't mention that at all (because of course, its author was unaware of all of this), so that's a wide interpretation based on nothing.

[@maambomumba6123]

@@davebowman760 since you’re critiquing the Bible you’d have to point to what it actually says. Genesis 1:1 says “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”. This was the first epoch of creation. The first “day” so to speak. During this epoch the Sun was created before the earth. Also during this epoch the light from the Sun diffuses through the Earths atmosphere “let there be light”, Genesis 1:3. The Sun itself however only became discernible, as the source of this light, in the fourth creation epoch, the “fourth day”. The perspective of the narration is implicit in the text itself. The Bible was written for mankind and the Earth was prepared for mankind’s existence. So it makes total sense that the perspective of the creation account be written from the viewpoint of an observer on Earth. The Bible NEVER claims the Sun was created after the Earth. I’d encourage you to go over the first chapter of Genesis once more and read it with this information in mind. Thanks.

[@davebowman760]

@@maambomumba6123 as David Wood says, "Miracle of reinterpretation!"

[@danielvining4947]

“The concept of day doesn’t mean day” *Ken Ham aggressively storms in and takes Dinesh’s mic*

[@asagoldsmith3328]

Battle of the creationist hacks

[@Mirrorgirl492]

And Jordan Petersen says: "That depends on what you mean by 'day'."

[@smears6039]

@@Mirrorgirl492then Peterson starts bawling his eyes out

[@tecategpt1959]

The concept of day in the original Hebrew doesn’t mean day* if you couldn’t understand what he meant by that then you shouldn’t be participating in these debates in the first place

[@bobbyfartz5591]

Jordan Peterson looks on happily

[@itsmederek1]

That final comment was a death blow. It not only showed that the guy was wrong but also that the critic was listening intently to what he was saying. Masterpiece

[@ga6589]

Alex, I'm an old woman and have to say that I have learned a great deal from you. I so admire your ability to keep your cool and present your arguments with stunning reason and intellect. Bravo!

[@AtriadGamasekav]

Come on you can’t be that old ))) I like Alex too. As a matter of fact I was using his videos to learn English way back in a days when he was a kid and younger version of him was not as witty as he is today but surely super intelligent and well versed and listening to him helped to make learning routine more enjoyable.

[@antygona-iq8ew]

Alex seems to have a lot of female fans. I will check his earlier videos. I certainly would like to improve my English.

[@ga6589]

@@AtriadGamasekav I've got fillings in my teeth way older than Alex. Let's just say I was born the year, "Mr. Sandman" and "Shake Rattle and Roll" were top hits in the US.

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

He relies on skepticism, semantics, twisted logic, fallacies, and verbal shell games.

[@AtriadGamasekav]

@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue oh yeah? Logic can’t be twisted it either is or it’s not. So could you please demonstrate where his statements lacked logic?

[@mikeleaptrott]

This was great! I watched the whole debate twice. It’s hard to tell if D’Sousa is this incompetent or just didn’t care to prepare at all. Maybe both.

[@Sanxioned1]

It's both. He got so used to steamrolling unregulated college first years that he thinks he doesn't need to use anything more sophisticated. Look at how he keeps trying to shift the topic to what the word "day" means instead of dealing with the incorrect chronology of the Bible. What a day means is irrelevant -- sequence is what matters. And some other debaters would definitely take the bait and let this snake slither away.

[@ghytd766]

It's worse, he's dishonest to the core.

[@shambhav9534]

Not being prepared is fine to a degree, but he didn't even know what he even believed, IMO.

[@Comeasyouare-m2e]

It's because people who believe the Bible don't question it so he's always had people who believe every word. You'd be surprised how many people think the earth is 3000 years old.

[@emmanuel.n8458]

​@@Comeasyouare-m2ethe Bible is the most questioned, analyzed, book in history..no other book comes close. This guys just not smart enough to defend the Bible. Also, the Bible account of creation makes absolute sense unless if you wanna tell me you have proof to show you can get smth from nothing.

[@paulrawlinson8653]

D'Souza's level of argument is pretty embarrassing

[@sirwojenheimthethird2268]

It’s right on par with the hack that he is.

[@joshuataylor3550]

It's not his fault if he's defending the bible

[@hewasfuzzywuzzy3583]

He's not really even arguing though. He just brushes it aside or moves the goal post whenever he can't handle his way of thinking or interpreting is challenged.

[@shacktime]

Yeah, but I think it’s equally embarrassing to assert that the universe had a beginning. Sure, we don’t have evidence of what preceded this “beginning,” and science is loathe to proclaim things without evidence, but something was definitely always and infinitely there. I see the universe more as a container of sorts that holds properties of various types in perpetual states of flux. When one area of the universe is expanding another is contracting. Where a seeming void exists in one area of the universe another area is teeming with activity.

[@mickquigley3083]

Yes. He should just tell the other guy he is an idiot like all our science that is buffoonarism to say the least

[@aberodriguez4149]

I love it when people born yesterday want to tell others GOD did this and that when in the Bible we are given the timing in clear form.

[@Direwolf1771]

Sounds like the only person trying to speak for God and getting it wrong was D’Souza. Man’s barely cracked the book by his own admission and thinks he can do apologetics with the grown-ups. It’s embarrassing. I was better read on this when I was fifteen.

[@Anglomachian]

“How did primitive shepherds know that the universe had a beginning?” They didn’t. They guessed.

[@MrThatguy333]

50/50 shot, also it's hard to imagine something not having a beginning. That's why God's in almost all religions have a beginning, few Religions imagine a God that exists without a beginning.

[@Anglomachian]

@@MrThatguy333 very true. Earlier iterations if the Abrahamic god have a beginning before it’s current timeless spaceless flavour

[@hayskig1226]

The universe to them was 5 planets the earth, moon and the sun. The stars were holes in the sky with the light of heaven shining through them.

[@VenusFeuerFalle]

and even more funny, we might be wrong about it all along xD

[@donsample1002]

And Hebrew scholars generally consider versions of the bible with “In the beginning God created…” to be a bad translation. The first phase should be more like “When God began to create…” and have him working from pre-existing materials.

[@nathanedison8692]

Starts off trying to claim a scientific miracle in the Bible, and within a minute he resorts to the “Well the Bible’s not a science textbook” excuse. You can’t have it both ways. Either it’s talking about science and is wrong, or it’s not talking about science, negating the point of your entire argument.

[@chazrooks4681]

How do you know that the actual clip was within a minute. When the clip is a minute long? Lol its been editied.

[@nathanedison8692]

@@chazrooks4681 ok, 3 minutes. Whatever, same point.

[@Truthman1-o3u]

The Old Testament is NOT supposed to be taken literally. It is symbolic, allegorical, mythological and metaphorical. When atheists dismiss Genesis so deftly, they are knocking down a strawman. They are deliberately, or perhaps not deliberately understanding the book in the manner that it was supposed to be understood. We are then at cross purposes, science and religion will never be reconciled in this way

[@1986statechamps]

Science has no answer

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[@planetlumi4138]

Alex is back to his old debating

[@Dann-md9eq]

And we miss that

[@Johnvwilliams0]

Yes he debates Uneducated shills and claims he’s debunking Christianity 😂

[@jackwhitbread4583]

​@@Dann-md9eqI don't, honestly he's a pretty average debator and nowhere near the league of Dawkins, Dillahunty or Ra. There are dozens and dozens of atheist activists who are a million times more effective than Alex.

[@Winskl9010]

@@jackwhitbread4583You don’t know anything about what qualifies as a good debaters if you genuinely think Richard Dawkins is a better debater than him 😂 it’s so obvious you’re a disguised hater. The man is only 24 and is on an equal level/better than the ones you listed

[@justsomeguy859]

@@jackwhitbread4583Aron Ra is a horrible debater. I want to like him, but he just embarrasses himself. He’s not careful with his words or his thinking, and he goes off on completely unrelated tangents arguing against irrelevant points that the other person never made. Matt is pretty good in debates, but his debate/conversation with Alex about veganism was just flat out embarrassing for Matt. And I say that as a person who is not vegan. I agree with Matt on the subject, and still found his arguments to be horrible. He is nowhere near Alex’s level in knowledge of philosophy, or just base intellect. Alex is charismatic, knowledgeable, articulate, and absolutely brilliant. He is already surpassing all the great atheists that came before him.

[@thesmallman]

God is light and he provided the light till the Sun is created.

[@natashaharsh9793]

He basically spoke Himself into existence. For our sake.

[@robertross6999]

Correct. And in Revelation we are told that God Himself will be our light when He renews the heavens and the earth. The problem is that humans underestimate God.

[@DanielVoeller]

@@natashaharsh9793wrong and incoherent. That would mean that he existed before he existed. God always has been and always will be. He has no beginning or end.

[@robertross6999]

@@DanielVoeller Agreed. For clarification I was replying to the first comment!

[@fancypants5371]

Let’s just get one thing straight your a fucking idiot if you think the earth is older than the sun

[@Deadman1000]

I first saw Dinesh get owned by Hitchens and now I get to see the next generation do it too, well done 😂

[@PramodKumar-gy8lb]

When you hold on to a false premise every generation will smack you down.

[@lukepoplawski3230]

I haven’t seen that debate yet, but funnily enough if you watch the intro to this discussion two moderators discuss the Hitchens v Denish debate and they both agree that Denish got the better of Hitchens. Again, I haven’t seen it and can’t draw an opinion yet, but that’s what the commenters from Pangburn (the hosts of this discussion) said.

[@Jide-bq9yf]

@@lukepoplawski3230he gave Hitchens a hard time . Alex had him on the run for most of this .

[@ryanparker4996]

​@@PramodKumar-gy8lb you there: prove that the universe happened by accident

[@robertluechtefeld5017]

That's a matter opinion.

[@InShadowsLinger]

I loved how you mopped the floor with him and didn’t give him any room for bullshit.

[@InShadowsLinger]

@@amt4653 thanks

[@cuzzohh2768]

Continue on living your spiritually shallow shithole of a life and see where that gets your you purposeless sack of cells and shit.

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

by misunderstanding the point, yes.

[@kaylakaymorgan]

@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue the only person misunderstanding the point here, is you

[@Matt-the-Wise]

​​@@ithurtsbecauseitstrueWhen you have to misunderstand truth to even get the point, you're not making a point or telling the truth. But you are right about the truth hurting, bc you've lashed out at like 4 truthful comments on here they hurt you so bad. You know, you can just jump over to the truth here with us and stop hurting, right?

[@iammichaeldavis]

“You can’t just move the goalposts; especially if you’re still gonna miss” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@d4024]

Yeah when conversations devolve from truth seeking to rhetorical scoring.

[@iammichaeldavis]

@@georgehatzimanolakis1904 might want to carefully re-read what he said, big dawg

[@iammichaeldavis]

@@georgehatzimanolakis1904 con-ver-say-shuns, big homie

[@georgehatzimanolakis1904]

@@iammichaeldavis oh, my bad

[@bennin9455]

He didn't even make a point though science is not 100% true it's theory

[@gracielabonilla5160]

In Genesis when is talking about the creation is from a human perspective, at the beginning the source of light was there but because the concentration of gases in the atmosphere was dense and it wasn't visible , later when trees and plants were form ( photosynthesis) the sun ,the moon and stars " appears" in the sky.

[@neochaft1587]

Yes, it's talking from the perspective of a human during the bronze age era. Which then begs the question: how is this supposed to come from the creator of the universe?

[@rachelx963]

But then if its written from human perspective, how can we trust that the bible is app Gods word?

[@xXx_T0M_xXx]

So if light couldn't get through the atmosphere, how did that amount of photosynthesis occur? PHOTO is in the name.

[@SirLied]

This is a though process that only makes sense if you don't know how any of the things you describe work.

[@thomasherzog86]

The funny thing about this is, that no scientist will tell you that we "KNOW" the universe had a beginning. We certainly know that its expending out of something we call singularity - but we dont know whether thats the beginning of its existence. However, we DO KNOW that the sun was before the earth.

[@VenusFeuerFalle]

even the singularity is nothing but a working hypothesis, which probably did never exist in the first place...

[@AndrewJF]

Actually we really don't know if the earth or the sun was formed first, for all it's possible earth was formed as a rogue planet and only later entered the solar system.

[@thomasherzog86]

@@AndrewJF Nope, thats pretty much impossible.

[@matsab7930]

@@AndrewJFplanetary scientist here; we’re very confident that the earth formed after the sun. Even if you make the argument that it originated outside the solar system, we date it using the radioactive decay of material on earth. We can then date more primitive objects in the solar system such as asteroids to determine a sort of maximum age of the solar system. This all tends toward 4.6 billion years. The sun was the first body to form in our solar system; by definition this is the case because the collapse of a solar nebula into a star is what begins the formation of a solar system, hence it must be at least as old as the oldest bodies in the solar system (excepting those originating outside our solar system, which are a tiny minority), which puts the suns age at older than the Earth. There’s more to it than this, if you’re curious the research is generally publicly available; if it’s not, you can use sci-hub to access it ;)

[@Ciph3rzer0]

Whatever the "universe" is changes the way you talk about it. Most of the time scientists are talking about the observable (material) universe. When they talk about the universe being compressed to a marble before the big bang, they mean the matter in the observable universe would be compressed to that size. It could have been a marble in an meter cubed block, which all also expanded. And of course there are components of the universe, of reality like forces, which didn't just emerge WITH the universe, because our models suppose the behavior of forces stays the same throughout time. Scientists talk about the "creation" of our *universe as we observe it today*. It's basically the boundary of what science could ever hope to explain. IMO There probably was or still is something else from which we our universe emerged. "empty space" has particles being created all the time. The universe could be an emergent phenomenon of what we call empty space. Some theoretical models work off of this idea. Apologists use a different conception of universe. They want to say that "creation of the universe" is everything that isn't heaven, the mortal realm. And then of course it sounds stupid to say a big bang 'from nothing' created the universe. Clearly it was God! I'm not sure if that distinction is clear, but science is very reserved about what it even claims it's possible to know. That's the difference. Science is mostly interested in what's "useful" rather than true. That's why we can use inaccurate orbital models of electrons to make predictions even though probability clouds are more accurate. Or why you can use a map to navigate even though the earth isn't flat. It's about the simplest model that can accurately predict outcomes given on the factors you need to account for. You don't need to account for curvature when driving to the pub.

[@sparksdog8111]

"Alright, so..." just might be the funniest line ever said, at least within this specific context.

[@againstdrivingdrunk614]

zuess created the sun

[@JDdr86]

​@@againstdrivingdrunk614*Zeus

[@againstdrivingdrunk614]

@@JDdr86 the believers have been tried and shaken, by a mighty force.

[@steeter93]

Like watching a sand castle slowly collapse.

[@MaGaO]

Not slowly though

[@andresfelipegaspar2980]

But this was a bunch of naipes without any kind of shape falling apart

[@gabrielalbertocastillomarq6120]

Because Genesis is not a History book but one of myths as most of the Bible, understanding myth as a narrative to explain something profund not easily explained otherwise. Some events described are historic but many are not If you defend the Bible validation as an History book, you will always loose

[@MaGaO]

@@gabrielalbertocastillomarq6120 Unfortunately, some argue for its fitting current science through "interpretation" (AKA hermeneutics).

[@photografr7]

The Bible only “knows” what the writers of the Bible knew at the time it was written. I tried to explain that to my 5th grade teacher, who was Catholic, but she wouldn’t have it, so she sent me to the principal’s office as punishment.

[@johnanthony1141]

Person: I'm going to be debating someone. Other person: oh cool...who are you debating? Person: Alex O'Connor Other person: been nice knowing you

[@kidohchi]

No sh!t- He is sharp and knowledgeable

[@geroffmilan3328]

Other person: have you prepared your will & put your estate in order? Dinesh: what does "prepare" mean?

[@tklyte]

😂🤣🤣 That made my day.

[@rathraven1313]

@@kidohchi Like a five year old not getting his favorite toy.

[@DarkMatter2525]

Dinesh just kept digging that hole.

[@skepticalcentral8795]

MY MAN GOOD TO SEE YOU HERE!

[@Green-ishEcho]

THE LEGEND IS HERE!!

[@rafetizer]

You just pop up everywhere lol

[@magicker8052]

we're not worthy

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

not really - Alex just kept shifting semantics and changing contexts by manipulating language.

[@grayintheuk8021]

Cognative disconnect with this magical thinker. Nice job Alex.

[@artisresistance816]

Good to see some young talent stepping up. Bravo my friend. Please keep going.

[@Suparaf]

Alex has a very sharp mind. Dinesh probably thought he was debating some college student.

[@tcampe]

Dinesh clearly didn't prep at all for this.

[@subhuman3408]

Not really. Even a 5 year old can see through his bullshit

[@DominicSJarrett]

That changed after Alex's opening speech. You can tell when Dinesh stood up and started his opening. You could hear in his voice he started crapping himself realising what he got himself into.

[@Nuffsed81]

​@@subhuman3408care to explain how Alex is bullshiting? or are you just going to assert "bullshit" and hope nobody asks for an example of how? Clearly the video shows who is full of bs. The Bible was worng and the dishonest muppet can't even admit it. Isn't dishonesty suppose to be sinful.

[@johnallen8043]

Dinesh was unprepared and Alex was uneducated.

[@CatDaddyGuitar]

The stunned look on Dinesh's face 😂😂😂 Alex slapped him hard.

[@tuffwith2effs899]

How somebody who doesn't see this coming ended up in this debate is beyond me.

[@CatDaddyGuitar]

@@tuffwith2effs899 Desperately trying to defend his confirmation bias. The problem with Dinesh, Tour, Peterson, etc is that they've invested their entire reputation on being intellectually dishonest and if they concede to any logical conclusion, they're ruined.

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

....only in how to describe depth to someone obviously going for retarded verbal twists and cheap shots. It's hard to describe nuance to a strawmanning low-brow gotcha-artist.

[@munchkingod6]

@@CatDaddyGuitarthis. The only way Dinesh can maintain his positions (especially political ones) is by lying. He lies constantly because his political beliefs are fundamentally incompatible with reality.

[@rathraven1313]

Alex needs to be slapped by the fact a society based Christian valves allows him to exist.

[@AnnoyingNewsletters]

Apologists took gold 🥇 in Mental Gymnastics, Jumping to Conclusions & Moving the Goal Posts.

[@John1samar]

Earth is existence. 😮 Repent atheist.

[@markmorris8532]

​@@John1samar 😂

[@southernpatriot6169]

Dinesh is not an Apologist. Let this clown debate a true Apologist !

[@ericvogel1126]

The word day in Hebrew, "yom", is used 2,301 times in the Old testament. Scholars agree that when "yom" is joined with the words " morning, evening, and day" as in Genesis, it means a ordinary 24 hour day.

[@albertobottopoala7691]

Protect this man at all costs

[@weedlol]

Yeah we need to get Dinesh out of there before he dies of embarassment.

[@cassiusdhami9215]

👏🏾​@@weedlol👍🏾 😆😅😂🤣

[@cassiusdhami9215]

I'd be okay with that ​@@weedlol... unfortunately you can't embarrass the shameless. 😊

[@paulrawlinson8653]

Protect him from what?

[@Feefa99]

Me jumping with backflip in front of Alex protecting him from religious fanatics while Whitney Houston singing

[@ST0IC]

Theist: "My holy book is in alignment with modern science! It's a miracle!" Atheist: "Hold on, here is a scientific contradiction in it" Theist: "Well, it's not a science book!" What in the name of critical thinki- 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@PicaMonedula]

Most Christians around the western world dont take the old testament literally. That is something americans share with less developed countries. If you want an interesting debate dont debate fundamentalists be they religious or atheist. Its an easy way to feel smarter but its boring… Jesus was a stoic btw

[@charliecinnella9090]

Nice story. Did you make it up yourself?

[@funnygaming2672]

you know that expert all around the world don't know /agree on how the universe started right !? im just impress that these religious people even knew the concept of outer space and creation with so little technologies,they not more wrong ...

[@PicaMonedula]

Its ironic that strawmen do not constitute prober critical thinking.

[@praisephillips9459]

​@@funnygaming2672 yeah the origin of the universe is not known and has only been theorized...the formation of the solar system with the earth on the other hand has been deduced by observation and proven

[@mocha9072]

Dinesh D'Souza trying to be a Texas sharpshooter but he draws the circle next to the bullet hole instead of around it

[@Mswordx23]

lol

[@geroffmilan3328]

"Fine work!" 💯

[@rathraven1313]

Alex practices the same method and is called a genius.

[@taurusking2332]

God cannot be mocked, the standard of God remains sure.

[@neildiamond53]

Anything can be mocked

[@CrippIusDungledeen]

I love how he had nothing to say for a few seconds, just trying to fathom what you just said

[@dabartos4713]

they're ready for philosophers who will indulge them but when you put it 1:1 it always has to fail.

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

thats not what happened. but ok

[@CrippIusDungledeen]

@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue Did you even watch the video?

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

@@CrippIusDungledeen Yeah. And that's not what happened. What happened was he brought up where Genesis coincides with a truth that even science denied for quite some time: that the universe was finite. Science held that it was eternal until proven wrong. Genesis - in teaching that God made it... coincided with a scientific fact - while not being ABOUT science. It is about refuting pagans who ALSO thought the universe was eternal - or in other cases created by some hot god sex. Genesis refutes that by saying God made it. It also refutes the idea that the sun, moon and stars are gods. Nope. The Bible says they are all just creation. This also COINCIDES with a science fact - while not being about science. The look you're seeing on his face is: Okay, we're gonna strawman this with no nuance and no critical thinking and no understanding of purpose or meaning - and just pretend it's all aligning to science now. He knew it was immediately a low-end low-thought gotcha kind of line of attack. He PROBABLY heard Alex was smart and a good philosopher. So he probably thought this line of attack was beneath Alex. But if you know Alex, you know he runs for the shell game semantic low end skepticism and strawman presentations A LOT. So that look is: crap, how do I explain this to someone unwilling to go there? It was ALEX that moved the goal post to taking Genesis as a science description rather than his opponents points which was that the Bible got this right even when handling OTHER topics. Just like the Bible knew about ocean currents - but only poetically references it in praises and prayers to God. The Psalms are not suddenly science books. Even if Maury searched for and found the ocean currents due to the Bibles praise of God.

[@anthonyernst999]

​@ithurtsbecauseitstrue Bro, you still haven't explained why the book would state that the Earth was made BEFORE the sun. You just explained that the book says God made it all, but it still has the timeline wrong so why wouldn't other things be wrong?

[@SadamYT]

"The need for comfort and the need to belong will make people accept the most stupid conditions and then defend them as their own." - Christopher Hitchens (forgive possible misquotation, was written from memory)

[@NevillePeter777]

would that include you?

[@ankyspon1701]

The Bible was also written from memory but you don't appear willing to forgive that.

[@vtwin1979]

@@ankyspon1701 It was god inspired was it not? And if you think it was written with memory relapses how can you take it as truth? Now you have just painted yourself into a corner.

[@oneyearunder]

Dude said that 4 days passed before the sun was formed, but pray tell, how would a day pass without light to denote the days passing? The sun was formed before the first day, while heaven and earth were created first, it was created to have a space to put things in, then the sun was made, then 3 verses later, the earth was formed When the earth was created, it was a ball of water, specifically mentioned to be formless

[@TW-pk7lu]

​@@vtwin1979the same way you believe scientist. Faith.

[@rogerwelsh2335]

Love this clip. Dinesh acts like such a know it all and to see him at a loss for words is priceless

[@markwildt5728]

When was he at a loss for words exactly?

[@joshua.recovers]

Typical kind of response to someone who doesn't believe.

[@TheCaliRhino]

Yeah, cuz all those edits & jump cuts make it really clear what responses were made to which statements. I don’t go to Dinesh for my theology, but the interpretation of Genesis is misleading if you’re looking at it as literal. Let there be light wasn’t the creation of the sun, it was the clearing of the sky/clouds/darkness.

[@Person19943]

@@markwildt5728when he contradicted what he just said himself. “How did the Bible know?” And knowing are observations, and observations is science, and the Bible is it a scientific book. It all gets confusing and it’s because he rushed out his words

[@benjamink8448]

"..... alright... so, so so ... so we're... yes ahem". Technically, he said some words right?

[@SimpleLifeChannels]

24 hours of God is a thousand years to us

[@abubenadem]

That’s not true, the scripture reference wasn’t meant to equate or substitute, when it says, “a day with god….”, you are conveniently ignoring the “IS LIKE”, it certainly doesn’t say IS a 1000 years! Do you read poetry or any work with allegory!? One thing is clear, when the biblical narrative said,” my people perish for lack of knowledge “, it wasn’t lying!

[@MisterLumpkin]

Dinesh looked like he got kicked by 2000 mules.

[@rikardotsamsiyu]

😂😆

[@markwildt5728]

This would be funnier if it were true.

[@alexanderkurz1603]

and he wanted to fuck all 2000 of them

[@briankenyon1543]

​@@markwildt5728cope more😂

[@MrMusic238]

A jackass getting kicked by 2000 jackasses

[@MilwaukeeAtheists]

Also, dinesh doesnt realize that "in the beginning" is only in the greek. Εν αρχη. The Hebrew is better understood as "when god created..."

[@ZachFish-]

How does that make sense for John 1:1?

[@AurorXZ]

​@@ZachFish- The writer of John famously used the Septuagint translation for his prologue.

[@ElusiveEel]

@@ZachFish- Different authors with different voices. It's like comparing Deuteronomy 24 with Mark 10, they're obviously not from the same God.

[@mauddib1761]

From listening to a few different Hebrew translators, apparently in Genesis the plural "Gods" or variations like "powerful ones" are used. It was the later translations into other languages that changed it from Gods to God. I don't read Hebrew so I've no idea how accurate that is, but there are many translators who seem to agree that the plural is used a lot in Genesis in particular

[@AurorXZ]

@@mauddib1761 I've heard the same occasionally online, but it incorrect. "Elohim" is used in the Priestly texts, but it is grammatically singular and functions as a concretized abstract plural (we see this used of other singular deities like Dagon as well). The overwhelming academic consensus is that "Elohim" is a singular figure in the narrative.

[@chinonsooragwam8833]

Why is this guy arguing for Genesis as a scientifically accurate representation when early church fathers agreed it was metaphorical💀

[@ApolloThyrteen]

Who were those early church fathers?

[@juanausensi499]

@@ApolloThyrteen Before protestantism and literalism, there were catholics and orthodox. They always saw genesis as a metaphor. Literalism is just one of the last heresies.

[@ApolloThyrteen]

@@juanausensi499 a 3 minute google search proves you wrong. 3 literal minutes, not allegorical minutes. MOST take it allegorically but there were many who took it literally just like today. You should be able to defend your Church without lying.

[@juanausensi499]

​@@ApolloThyrteen The existence of non-literal passages is scholarly acknowledged as far as the 1st century, including the genesis narrative. The general idea was even older and it's contained in the proper text. Read Galatians 4:21-31 or Hebrews 4:12m for example, or see also how Matthew interprets Hosea 11:1 and Isaiah 7:14. There is also a huge gap between the Bible is compiled as something we can recognize today and its translation to languages that regular people could understand. At that time, the interpretation of the people was the interpretation of the church. Of course, it stands to reason it is possible for latin/greek-knowing individuals who interpreted the Bible literally, BUT that means they weren't catholics/orthodox. That's why i said catholic/orthodox and not christians. I bet in your 3 minute search you didn't found anything from Philo of Alexandria, Origen, Iraeneus of Lyons or Augustine of Hippo. It doesn't matter, really. I would like you and me to be able to reach some sort of agreement: can we say literalism was pretty minoritary BEFORE protestantism? This shouldn't be relevant , but i'm not defending any church.

[@ApolloThyrteen]

@@juanausensi499 first I apologize for the unnecessary sarcasm in my previous post. I cannot say what Catholic or Protestants believed since most couldn’t read themselves. I’d have to concede that they believed whatever they were taught by priests. What I can say is the Jewish calendar is based on a literal interpretation of the Genesis account. The Jewish Virtual library has an article called Judaism and Evolution. Here is an excerpt from the article: The vast majority of classical rabbis hold that God created the world close to 6,000 years ago and created Adam and Eve from clay. This view is based on a chronology developed in a midrash, Seder Olam, which was based on a literal reading of the book of Genesis. It is considered to have been written by the Tanna Yose ben Halafta and covers history from the creation of the universe to the construction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem. This chronology is widely accepted among most Orthodox Judaism today. The article goes on to explain how those views changed throughout history.

[@bsean1179]

The problem with most people, is that they can only see God through their limitations. God is the ONLY One to ever take credit for creation. So, how does a man’s idea of how he thinks it went, exceed Gods??.. I guess Bruce Jenners a real woman too.. smh

[@Marcel-yu2fw]

There's (mostly) 2 possibilities: The universe had a beginning or it didn't. They had a 50% chance of guessing correctly.

[@DJ-ct6so]

It doesn't necessarily work like that. Consider this: "either some kind of god exists or he/she/it doesn't. You have a 50% chance of guessing correctly." Conclusion: We can't calculate probabilities for events that we don't fully understand.

[@ajax201000]

​@@DJ-ct6soThats a false equivalency. We know the universe objectively exists and therefore it either had a begining or it did not. God is not provable and is not supported by any data or science so it is not 50/50 whether he created the universe any more than saying that its 50/50 as to whether a magical otter made the universe.

[@Vergil512]

​​@@ajax201000Orrrr hear me out. The universe itself is god. It's all powerful, and technically all knowing as everything is apart of the singular universe. It's omnipresent meaning everywhere in all creation at the same time. It created life, and takes life. It can't be destroyed (energy can't be created nor destroyed)

[@ajax201000]

@@Vergil512 Then that wouldnt be the God of the Christian faith but a sentient universe and those 2 things are not the same.

[@drnanard9605]

​@@Vergil512ah yes, the whole "I'm gonna redefine the whole concept of God so that it fits with what we know about science". Well, maybe God is actually the half-empty box of Cheerios that sits in my cupboard. Who knows!!

[@sallymoore7415]

I just love this young man we need more like him 🙏

[@lotanerve]

So what are the stupid prayer hands for?

[@odraciskatube7725]

@@lotanerve its the universal call sign for atheist

[@sallymoore7415]

@@lotanerve They are stupid Thank you Hands

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

the more snark and semantical twists he uses, the more unserious and malicious i find him to be. he should ONCE attempt a steelman

[@odraciskatube7725]

@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue i think he did(soft steelman/remark) in the beginning of the debate. he even stood up, and his argument bordered on racism. something along the lines that allot of atheist are from Great-Britain and yes it was a stupendous moment. full debate. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i36unItuprd7qdk

[@ST0IC]

The mental gymnastics and confirmation bias in these theistic arguments are insufferable 💀

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

not really. It's just hard to discuss things properly with self-centered materialists.

[@kaylakaymorgan]

@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue what a lame response lol....like a child who is butthurt: "yeah, well you're selfish so there"....

[@Matt-the-Wise]

​@@ithurtsbecauseitstrueThe people who are humbly accepting that the facts and realities of the universe are true, and the made up story that each of us is special and loved by the divine creator of the universe is what's NOT true, proves that religious people are the self centered ones. We don't live based on a belief that we'll get eternal paradise while everyone else burns bc we're so special. THAT is the definition of self centered, and you might want to look up what "True" means as well if you're gonna keep such a bogus profile name.

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

@@Matt-the-Wise since you have to strawman the position, you defeated nothing

[@Matt-the-Wise]

@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue Add "straw man position" to your homework, bc you missed that one too. A straw man argument is utilizing a false equivalency in lieu of something to negate it. So if I had said "your response sounds exactly like what a Muslim would say to defend their faith, so you're no different" it would've been a straw man, but you just being wrong and not liking it doesn't qualify. Now get busy, you've obviously got quite a LOT of definitions to learn.

[@ratatoskr9366]

Omg that pause and cut to both of your faces was like a skit from the Office😂

[@KgBee]

“You cant move the goal post, especially when you’re going to miss” was the coldest line in history.

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

Shows off his snark and lack of seriousness beautifully

[@MasterPoppers]

@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue Man, that copium must be great.

[@kaylakaymorgan]

@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue it's hard to take people like you seriously, to be fair

[@lVideoWatcherl]

@ithurtsbecauseitstrue why should anybody take a bloviating fraud like D'Souza seriously?

[@markwildt5728]

​@@MasterPoppersAlex completely dodged the question and deflected, then had the audacity to accuse Dinesh of moving the goal post... 🤦🏻‍♂️ What was it you were saying about copium?

[@einsibongo]

The Hitch rising, Alex O'Connor, is outstanding, been following for years. Just gets better and better.

[@parcormasteryesiknowispell4337]

@@koschmx If you don't know then leave it there. You're clearly cherry picking. If seriously want to critique his response to the question, you should listen to the response.

[@parcormasteryesiknowispell4337]

@@koschmx It looks fine because its obvious that this is edited for time and to promote watching the full debate. Hence your comment makes no sense, unless you are cherry picking which you are.

[@parcormasteryesiknowispell4337]

@@koschmx If you want to know what parts were left out watch the damn thing. You're hung up on miniscule details of the editing and blowing them out of proportion when its obvious these are just sound bites to entice you into watching the ACTUAL DEBATE. You were openly arguing from your incredulity so yes, while poorly executed, you were being deceptive and continue to do so by denying it even though it is so blatantly obvious.

[@parcormasteryesiknowispell4337]

@@koschmx Yeah you don't care yet you argue. If you don't want to be informed on this specific topic thats fine but then why do you need to have fight so hard to justify your flawed reasoning? You could have just said ok and then move on, or not responded at all, but you CARED to do so. If you don't care then why do you care? By the way, the specific argument in this short was cut out and uploaded as a ten minuets long if time is your issue. Also, about your opinion on Gods, I didn't ask, don't matter. Never did I indicate that I wanted the information so way to show me how much you don't care. Whatever your stance is the point still stands that you are cherry picking aspects of the short to make it seem like it "makes him look bad" when in reality it's just a regular youtube short and nobody thinks that but you.

[@parcormasteryesiknowispell4337]

@@koschmx Now everyone who calls you out for blatantly making misinformed judgments is a "fanboy?" You don't want to waste an hour of your free time to properly educate yourself before opening your mouth but you'll spend MULTIPULL HOURS making excuses for a simple laps in judgment that you could have moved on from LITERAL days ago. If you don't care why do you care?

[@telemakhos31]

Day in hebrew is "Yom", formed with the letter yod (hand) and letter mem (water/chaos). There isn't "24h" in it, it means just an action in the chaos, unconcrete period of time, like an act in the theatre. When it comes to the light mentioned in the beginning, this light is mentioned five times. The number five is associated to the Word, so the light is the Word. The Sun is created later. The concept of "earth and heaven" means "the visible and the invisible". Heaven in hebrew is "shamayim" which is the same root for "name", "shem". Heaven is like a "sea or words" and "aretz" is the material world.

[@theoneandonly7063]

Facts heaven is space/spiritual while earth is matter/physically

[@zanido9073]

"Even a broken clock is right twice a day."

[@okon7464]

When bible says something true: "Ohh wow, how could they know that, it has to be God who tell them that" When Bible says something untrue: "Oh no no, Bible isn't scientific text, you can't expect everything from it, it's obviously based on knowledge of people in that era"

[@AndrewJF]

Actually we really don't know if the earth or the sun was formed first, for all it's possible earth was formed as a rogue planet and only later entered the solar system.

[@okon7464]

@@AndrewJF we actually pretty sure know that sun was formed first

[@AndrewJF]

@@okon7464 just like Einstein was pretty sure the universe was eternal?

[@okon7464]

@@AndrewJF nuh, like we are sure that gravity exists

[@vtwin1979]

@@AndrewJF That’s just a theory. Not a fact. Are you trying say it’s a fact?

[@jaegarbombs7297]

Dont forget the plants were created on day 3 before the sun that the plants need for photosynthesis

[@0pp841]

If God used a big bang explosion to create everything, then there would probably be some light and heat surrounding the planet before the sun got into it's position.

[@JakeLentz]

this is a lie he said let there be light first before plants, do your research

[@vastabyss6496]

@@JakeLentz it also states that the sun and moon were created on day 4. Where was the light coming from if not from the sun?

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

​@@JakeLentz sun doesn't exist until the 4th day oops lol

[@mihaimitican7182]

Why do people assume that our understanding of science and we can argue with God that his ways of working doesn't make sense, ye it does not make sense for us... . Wise orthodox priests explained to me that the light on 1st day came from withing God and it was enough for all the universe, so that light could sustain plants untill God probably said that his light should not be our source of light and created big engines(Stars) with sustenable energy for millenias.

[@saranyarajendran5705]

Praise the Lord!! Immortal God dwells in an unapproachable light which no man can see;(1 Timothy 6:16) His name is Sun of righteousness;(Mal 4:2) Before the earth and the sun, the eternal light is there; All things were created by Him, and for Him;(Colo 1:16)

[@kami_1789]

Dinesh is so insufferable, but apologists usually are

[@DRWH044]

Dinesh is no apologist. He is not an authority on theology.

[@m-ox2tx]

​@@DRWH044Exactly.

[@solacedagony1234]

@@DRWH044 Apologists aren't either usually.

[@DRWH044]

@@solacedagony1234 I don't know what apologists you are familiar with, many are not, but many others are.

[@solacedagony1234]

@@DRWH044 Apologists are there to keep their flock. You're talking about scholars.

[@RosieRoserules]

This is the dude that was in court 4 weeks ago admitting he had zero evidence for his 2000 mules movie and now has to apologize for it remove it from distribution and is being sued for defamation from the people that he erroneously called mules

[@scottythetrex5197]

Trump won in 2020 .

[@stupidlylucas9313]

Who??

[@janeslater8004]

​@@stupidlylucas9313not alex. The brown one dont know his name

[@TiKallisti]

@@stupidlylucas9313 Dinesh D´Souza - the liar behind 2000 mules.

[@Foulgaz3]

What is 2000 mules? Why would a movie need recalled on the basis of a lack of evidence?

[@bennettdeneghuedoeshits2950]

Once you pull the thread, it all unravels.

[@maambomumba6123]

The Genesis account of creation doesn’t say the Sun was created after the Earth. The account is written from the perspective of an observer standing on the surface of the Earth. It tells you the order in which things became visually manifest; what could be seen in which creation epoch. The reference to God making the “two great luminaries for dominating the day and dominating the night” is pointing to what was happening visually. During the first day light diffuses through the atmosphere but its source could not yet be seen. Only until the fourth creation epoch did the Sun and the moon become discernible from the Earths surface.

[@andrewdouglas1963]

The bible doesn't say the earth was created before the sun. And despite that, different cultures have different ways of listing things. For example in English, we would say "my eyes are blue" but in French they change the order to "blue are my eyes". Ancient cultures may have had different priorities for listing things.

[@SuperNictastic]

@@andrewdouglas1963 LOL. Keep digging.

[@andrewdouglas1963]

@@SuperNictastic ??? Maybe this is too educationally advanced for you.

[@TaylorL3]

@@maambomumba6123 i’m trying to wrap my head around this too, so I’m an honest observer, but I would challenge you by saying, the genesis account is supposed to be the telling of things given by God. Do you believe that? If you believe that, I don’t think you can take the liberties you took in your answer above.

[@mariace4848]

I recently learned about a spark of light that happens at conception. There are theories but I don’t think we have that nailed down yet. The Lord created a wonderful place for us to discover.

[@aboveman5321]

Who else gets a little schadenfreude from this? It just makes me happy to see these arrogant people make fools of themselves in front of people like Alex.

[@jsmit9484]

It brings back a little of the "old school" new atheist fire. Exept Alex's debates have so much more depth than the Hitch, Harris, Dawkins debates. I hate that I love this, but I do.

[@robertluechtefeld5017]

The epitome of arrogance is to presume the religion of modern science can answer or at some point in the future can discover the answer to all the mysteries of the universe. When science creates something from nothing, or creates a single-celled living organism from amino acids, or proteins in a lab, I MIGHT lend them some "street cred"; until then, I'll keep my faith in the Triune God-head. Nice try, epic fail.

[@jsmit9484]

@@robertluechtefeld5017 Just keep on moving the goalposts buddy

[@maambomumba6123]

The Genesis account of creation doesn’t say the Sun was created after the Earth. The account is written from the perspective of an observer standing on the surface of the Earth. It tells you the order in which things became visually manifest; what could be seen in which creation epoch. The reference to God making the “two great luminaries for dominating the day and dominating the night” is pointing to what was happening visually. During the first day light diffuses through the atmosphere but its source could not yet be seen. Only until the fourth creation epoch did the Sun and the moon become discernible from the Earths surface.

[@shambhav9534]

@@robertluechtefeld5017 No, maybe science all questions ever asked, but that doesn't mean we need to believe in a space wizard. The questions will go unanswered, I guess. That's better than making them up based on a dubious book. What do you mean by "something"? And what do you mean by "nothing". Assuming default meanings, yeah, happens all the time. We can measure this quantum fluctuation pretty easily too. And we'll get there with the single-celled living organism, I hope. We know the mechanism involved, and there's no reason to suspect it couldn't happen. Totally feasible, plus we have a ton of supporting evidence. It's only a matter of time.

[@michaelbuick6995]

The look on Alex's face of "dude are you fn serious right now?"

[@bhisham2687]

If Day doesn't mean day than being christian means being alien

[@myssadonno2759]

The face After the 'got that bit wrong' 😂

[@maambomumba6123]

The Genesis account of creation doesn’t say the Sun was created after the Earth. The account is written from the perspective of an observer standing on the surface of the Earth. It tells you the order in which things became visually manifest; what could be seen in which creation epoch. The reference to God making the “two great luminaries for dominating the day and dominating the night” is pointing to what was happening visually. During the first day light diffuses through the atmosphere but its source could not yet be seen. Only until the fourth creation epoch did the Sun and the moon become discernible from the Earths surface.

[@myssadonno2759]

@@maambomumba6123 so the light arrived before the Sun was visible? Where did the light Come from then? Also, that does not really conforme with this bit ''In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep'' So it does seem the earth was created before light existed. Since ''let there be light'' Comes after. Are we Reading the same Book?

[@maambomumba6123]

@@myssadonno2759 yes. It’s possible to see the light from a light source but not see the source itself. Genesis 1:2 “says darkness was upon the surface of the watery deep”. Evidently at this point, while the Sun had already been created, it’s light had not yet diffused through Earths atmosphere - hence the darkness. In the very next verse Genesis 1:3 says “let there be light”. It’s at this point in this creation epoch that light diffuses through the atmosphere of the Earth. But the Sun itself as the source of this light is not yet discernible. Only on the fourth creation day does the Sun itself become visible as the sky was evidently clear enough to see the Sun. That’s why Genesis 1:17 refers to “Thus God put them in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth”…describing how the Sun could now be seen by an observer on the Earths surface.

[@myssadonno2759]

@@maambomumba6123 not for days or epoques. How long does it take for the suns light to get here? Also, do you believe they, the Sun and the earth, were created at the same Time? Or was one created before the other? You believe the earth is round right? So the source of the light would have been visible from half of the planet if there was already light when the earth was created... You also talked about it being the description of an observer, like a physical one?

[@WhoThisMonkey]

Genuinely the mental gymnastics some people attempt to pull off, when trying to defend absurdities, never ceases to astound me.

[@zcobryant]

I’ve watched this like 20 times over several days. I’m absolutely in awe that you setup each of these moments so perfectly and he fell for it every time. Like just asking “what day was it that god created the sun? Day four or something like that?” And it sets up the next moment perfectly. Bravo, Alex. This is one of the more perfect moments anyone has ever had on a debate stage.

[@aztubmatt904]

Alex is being dishonest here the verses (gen 1:14-18) isn't refering to the moon and sun or they wouldve been named but time which creates periods utilising the light (photons) that was created on the first day simarly to what astrophysicts believe so please instead of taking this clip in 20x look for scholarly opinions that differ and explain in more detail what Alex is actually trying to talk about

[@jdetres01]

Ok then... aztubmatt904.... i cant wait to see you up there debating it next so we can all pause, look up your references and form our own conclusions in our own time like we do when (non coward) christians get up there to debate. 🙏🏽❤️

[@aztubmatt904]

@@jdetres01 what are you on about its not my reference he used it im just stating how Alex's point has been echoed before and is objectively wrong and provide a counteractive view that IS correct

[@John1samar]

On day 1 God Created the Heavens and the Earth. Believe it or not the Sun is part of Earth. It's just burning up, it's a matter of flesh not divinity. Why are you all saying bravo and praising like you're robots? Does Alex pay for these comments?

[@jdetres01]

@@aztubmatt904 you're debating in the comments, instead of preping for your upcoming debate. you had a month to prep, are you ready? i cant wait to watch and form my own opinions after looking into the things you say! :)

[@arkafella1984]

Alex I've been following your ascend since the beginning, you are one of the few or maybe the only one guy in youtube that i actually feel proud to support.

[@joejunior1974]

He slam dunked on that fool! Bravo!

[@danielbriggz]

Everytime I remember how I was so enamored and captured by the likes of D'Souza and JP, I am deeply ashamed at younger me

[@kinoko5566]

Don't be ashamed, were just glad you saw the bs

[@theintelligentmilkjug944]

JP seems leagues above D'Souza in terms of intelligence. As a Christian I've never heard of D'Souza , but his defense of the Bible is laughable bad here.

[@flynnoflenniken7402]

I still enjoy listening to Peterson when he's talking about psychology. It's just when he steps into politics or religion I have to take some of what he says with a grain of salt. I still don't disagree with everything he says though, just some things.

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

You fell for the low-rent skeptical semantics of online atheists, huh?

[@maambomumba6123]

The Genesis account of creation doesn’t say the Sun was created after the Earth. The account is written from the perspective of an observer standing on the surface of the Earth. It tells you the order in which things became visually manifest; what could be seen in which creation epoch. The reference to God making the “two great luminaries for dominating the day and dominating the night” is pointing to what was happening visually. During the first day light diffuses through the atmosphere but its source could not yet be seen. Only until the fourth creation epoch did the Sun and the moon become discernible from the Earths surface.

[@SimonPartogi-y8i]

The book genesis clearly mention: "Let there be light!" as the first creation

[@glara039]

Interestingly enough it mentions earth twice. Heaven and earth in the beginning , then light and later on they again mention the division between water and dry land. John Lennox has a pretty good presentation about the seven days of creation that breaks it down very nicely.

[@glara039]

Don’t know if it’s a bit of a reach but the first sentence of creation sounds a bit vague - it’s not like they go into detail - they just say earth and the heavens. And I mean that may very well just mean space and matter -

[@stephante3519]

Actually, wherever is a good reader would read the Bible and know that the "light" (sun) was created on the first day not on the fourth day. Science can only discover what God has done. The gentleman is only trying to twist the scriptures to favor his argument. He's either a fraud or he's ignorant.

[@sigmaman721]

Light doesn't mean sun, there are many suns in space

[@dr.science9505]

Yeah ...The father did not say ...not let there be the sun .This whole discussion was maximum stupid . How many other lights can you see and how many more can you not see. Very extremely stupid argument. What other type of light have our retarded arrogant scientists not discovered for man to even be able to see as of right this second.

[@duderyandude9515]

"You can't now move the goalposts, especially if you're still going to miss" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@gregorymoore2877]

As a Christian, that was a pretty good line. I'm not sure what's up with Dinesh here. I thought he was supposed to be a believer? It's like he's throwing the debate on purpose.

[@samcsw]

Matthew 18:2-5: "He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. And he said: 'Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.'"

[@mtomic87]

You should be charged with three or four counts of aggravated assault with a deadly one-liner.

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

one-liners are his brand more than actual reason

[@kaylakaymorgan]

@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue one-liners can be reasonable or unreasonable, there is no correlation. in this case, his one-liners were completely reasonable, and you have to rebut them with reason, not by calling them one-liners

[@maambomumba6123]

The Genesis account of creation doesn’t say the Sun was created after the Earth. The account is written from the perspective of an observer standing on the surface of the Earth. It tells you the order in which things became visually manifest; what could be seen in which creation epoch. The reference to God making the “two great luminaries for dominating the day and dominating the night” is pointing to what was happening visually. During the first day light diffuses through the atmosphere but its source could not yet be seen. Only until the fourth creation epoch did the Sun and the moon become discernible from the Earths surface.

[@lisakurak3733]

When the Bible mentions light, it doesn't necessarily mean our sun.

[@juliagooliagiulia723]

Exactly!!!!

[@JB-ec1bo]

What does it mean?

[@hopisix8899]

@@JB-ec1bo "The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp" (Revelation 21) ..this scripture is about the new earth in the future. It parallels Genesis. God was the light & he created the sun and moon later to mark signs & times. This transcends science..it's supernatural.

[@korpscomacho]

From genesis: And God made the two great lights-the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night-and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. Now are you really going to try to rationalise that this doesn't mean the sun and the moon? :)

[@hopisix8899]

@@korpscomacho That scripture was the 4th day. There was a source of light already in Genesis 1:3. No one in this section said verse 16 wasn't about the sun and the moon.

[@martinkuliza]

"Surely Day 4 comes after Day 1 though" well... umm... well... it depends... i mean .. umm LMFAO , Bloody Classic

[@jayrussell3796]

I'm pretty sure the first thing the bible said God did was say" Let there be light."....just a thought.

[@martinkuliza]

@@jayrussell3796 Actually, You're not Correct. Let there be light WAS THE 2ND THING The 1st Thing was.... "God Created the Heavens and the Earth" (Verse 1) when he did that - The earth was formless and dark - Then he said Let there be light (Verse 3) .... Just a thought :P

[@jayrussell3796]

@@martinkuliza Let me rephrase that.... The first thing God said in the Bible was "Let there be light." He didn't say "Let me make earth." It also stands to reason that since it also states earth was without form and he created light first, that the sun was created first. Just another thought 😉

[@martinkuliza]

@@jayrussell3796 LOL..... Yeah, i reckon you should rephrase it But see, You can't now change "What God did" to "What God said" 1. That's a cop out 2. I could still argue that god spoke the words to create the heavens and the earth 3. He didn't Make earth HE MADE EVERYTHING But instead of going down this B.S. Road WHAT ARE YOU REALLY TRYING TO GET AT ? so Look 1. Your point stuffed up ok COP IT ON THE CHIN AND LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKE 2. Don't try and change your story and wriggle out of it. Because it was your responsibility to google it before you said it to ensure accuracy. You stuffed up.... JUST COP IT and admit it and we'll move on that's what we did in the 70s YOU MAKE MISTAKES , YOU LEARN. OK so cop it sweet Now... What are you getting at anyway ? You said this " It also stands to reason that since it also states earth was without form and he created light first, that the sun was created first. Just another thought 😉" OK, i like thoughts, i'll entertain this. 1. Let's start by understanding this.... FACT - The bible Absolutely is not god's word. So it's good that you did state "IN THE BIBLE IT SAYS" as opposed to "GOD SAID" 2. Let's skip the without form part, because that a bunch of DogSh$##T Anyway let's get to the light thing LOL Well..... My God.. From Genesis 1 to Genesis 5, don't we have some stupid crap. I'm not even going to debate what came first AS A FACT But we can agree on this i think. The bible isn't god's word God (According to the bible) LOL... Creates Light on Day 1 and then again on Day 4 LOL so you see if we debate it and you say he created light on Day 1 I can say ... Naahh it was Day 4 and we can debate it forever and we are both correct or.. Both incorrect and then the word "DAY" Allow me to show the first bit of the bible here Watch how dumb this is... "1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day." OK, now we know that THE DEFINITION OF 1 DAY IS - You need to have a Moon - You need to have a Sun - You need to have an Earth LOL... Ohh this is funny isn't it I mean, you know this part , right.. so From Gen 1:1 to Verse 3 there is no sun that was created. So how did GOD Conclude this was called THE FIRST DAY Because on day 4 he creates light and the sun and the moon. So wouldn't day 4 be day 1 THERE'S FOOD FOR THOUGHT How about Gen 1:2 "Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters." WHERE THE HELL DID THE WATERS COME FROM ? Did he create THE HEAVENS and... the EARTH Now if someone argues. it's the planet then... Why later did he cause dry land to appear. so basically it's saying God created a waterworld, so to speak so why did he call it EARTH ? I mean we are 3 verses in LOL and look at how much stuff i can poke a stick at Now i don't wan't to bore you , if you want to discuss this, i'm happy to do so and i'm an ordained Minister (no longer practising) but still, i was made to study this stuff for 4 years. so i know this stuff in and out But in a nutshell Gen 1 to Gen 5 is a joke but hey.. at the end of the day , it's not God's word so really it's no reflection on god's character should he exist, right but yeah dude let me know if you want to have a chat and what about

[@Eriknorth87]

It’s not unfathomable to conclude that someone, back then, would come up with the concept of the universe having a beginning. It’s quite easy to approach that thought from the understanding that you yourself had a beginning.

[@dragonuv620]

Alex is so open minded, even willing to talk with literal felons.

[@TommyTombstone]

How forgiving and tolerant of the atheists.

[@filipedias7284]

Yo what happened

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

ahhh the snark, assery, and flippant unseriousness of Alex's audience.

[@MrTHEMONEEMAKER]

Guy makes a donation and you make him sound like mugger

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

@@MrTHEMONEEMAKER Because the actual violent felons are 95% atheists... so they have to strawman to cover for the destruction their lack of morals produces. It's also a fallacy. A personal attack is not an argument.

[@amt4653]

I love how Alex included a diagram that beautifully demonstrates how the 6 days of creation were not literal, and I dont think he knows it. Pause the video and notice how the top half mirrors the bottom half. It's a parallelism, which is a form of Hebrew poetry. It uses a song-like rhythm to reinforce the message being made. The second part completes the ideas introduced in the first part. The order of the creation events had to be molded to fit the style of poem, not the other way around.

[@smadaf]

LOL! This was uncommonly good! (Now I have to think of Mr. Kipling and his exceedingly good cakes.)

[@maambomumba6123]

The Genesis account of creation doesn’t say the Sun was created after the Earth. The account is written from the perspective of an observer standing on the surface of the Earth. It tells you the order in which things became visually manifest; what could be seen in which creation epoch. The reference to God making the “two great luminaries for dominating the day and dominating the night” is pointing to what was happening visually. During the first day light diffuses through the atmosphere but its source could not yet be seen. Only until the fourth creation epoch did the Sun and the moon become discernible from the Earths surface.

[@smadaf]

@@maambomumba6123 , I suppose that you meant to comment on the video in general, not to reply to my comment. Still, now that I'm aware of your comment, I'll point one thing out: Genesis 1:14-19 _does_ say that God _made_ the sun, the moon, and the stars; and it places this _making_ on the fourth day. Your interpretation _is_ an interesting one; but it is an interpretation that reads into the text something that the text does not say. You began your comment by saying "The Genesis account of creation _doesn’t say_ the Sun was created after the Earth" (emphasis mine); the fact is that Genesis 1 puts the Earth there, formless and void, at the very beginning (verses 1 and 2), and waits until the third day has come and gone before it has God making the sun, the moon, and the stars. It _does_ do that. What it does _not_ do is say "And, on the fourth day, God took the _already existing_ sun and _moved_ it, from a place of invisibility, into _such a place that an observer on the surface of the Earth could see it."_

[@narissavanderbyl8965]

Brilliant and ultra cool! Makes you look even more handsome! Wow!❤

[@ryancook1078]

“God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day.” Genesis 1:5

[@thecelestialvoyager]

Literal is nonsense

[@akiblue]

Meanwhile: She lusted after lovers with genitals as large as a donkey’s and emissions like those of a horse. Ezekiel 23:20

[@geewanraghoo1520]

U are correct! Sun before earth!@

[@akiblue]

And God created mankind. But he made a huge mistake, like omnipotent beings do sometimes, and instead of starting over when there were only two, he waited until they populated the earth with millions and then killed them all. But he knew it was going to happen, so either, it was that God is the dumbest omnipotent being there is, or that he's a sadist. The rest of the bible proves the second one is true.

[@kaehlerfamily7251]

​@@akiblue​ it is a interesting take. But I'd like you to consider this. God has always been and always will be. He is outside of time. He knows all. He is love. He is creative. He brings justice. The bible says he is perfect essentially. When you have a child, do you want them to explore and come to you and love you because they want/choose to love you, or do you want them to be like robots with no choice? If God is love like the bible states, he wants us to choose him, he doesn't want something fake. No one can love you if they didnt have a choice, they would almost be like an inanimate object, there because you put them there. We were made in his image, to love and be loved by him. I believe he made us out of evey idea we can think of and even more than we can imagine. Out of all the possibilities we were chosen because I believe we are the best option, nothing but God can be perfect. If we were perfect we would not need God. And then what would be the point of God creating us? If his creation did what they want seperate from him?

[@MaleINTP]

How did the Hindus know that in the Bhagavad Gita more than 5000 years ago... How did the Norse know that 1600 years ago... How did the Muslims know that 1400 years ago... How did the Japanese know that in their mythology 1600 years ago... How did the tribes in Africa know that thousands of years ago... The answer is simple... They didn't... They never have... We don't know today... Much less thousands of years ago...

[@pradpradprad1]

Don't drag other religions. Answer for yours first.

[@RR_theproahole]

One very quick correction, Bhagvad Gita is not 5000 years old, it was written much later. The most ancient texts of Hindus, the Vedas are from 1200-800 BCE (3200 to 2800 years ago), the Mahabharata, which was originally called Jaya is most probably written between 400 BCE to 400 CE (2400 to 1600 years ago) and according to scholers the Bhagavad Gita was a later addition, not the part of original book so the Bhagavad Gita is most probably written much later, the first commentary on it was written around 8th to 9th century CE.

[@MaleINTP]

@@pradpradprad1 I don't have one... Comparing religions is what is lacking among the religious...

[@MaleINTP]

@@RR_theproahole thanks

[@DavidVillaTorre]

​@pradpradprad1 you're missing the point. The same argument applies to all religions

[@huginn1879]

So lets say i am a game designer. First i design the earth, later i design the sun. The earth needs the sun to orbit around. In fact, when i place the objects into the gameworld, i first place the sun and then add the earth and give it a momentum to stay in orbit around the sun. Not only that, the lore of the game is, that the earth was formed out of dust particles orbiting the sun. Now, i am an amateur and not strong on theology, but what would speak against that analogy?

[@parcormasteryesiknowispell4337]

What point are you even trying to make here?

[@spyjoshua]

@parcormasteryesiknowispell4337 Say you can create a apple from nothing. Seems like the apple exists before a apple tree

[@spyjoshua]

When we say that this apple was made, scientifically this apple would have come from a seed yeah? Meaning it then came from another apple. This is the "lore" he is talking about.

[@spyjoshua]

Heres the fun part now. Say I create a fully grown apple tree first and then a fully grown redwood tree. A fully grown redwood tree is on average maybe a thousand years old whereas a apple tree could be 50 years old. Fascinating how not many people think of this thought. Shows how wonderful all of creation even is

[@parcormasteryesiknowispell4337]

@@spyjoshua Wait so your point is "different trees average different ages so therefore the world is created by God" Thats dumb as hell.

[@rendred5442]

Bro got absolutely destroyed

[@ptkk21]

Those people place themselves in that kind of intellectually embarrassing position willingly.

[@Joelsie1988]

The problem when the debater of the Bible doesn’t truly believe the Bible is perfect. Shame

[@gardenandcalico]

when yall are completely delusional, it does not look any better to the rest of us than this.

[@bennin9455]

​@@gardenandcalico watch how you talk about religion shit face. If let's say we are delusional you are as well believing also theory science is not 100% true like your dumbass thinks

[@schalazeal07]

It's a shame that people are so sure of knowing about something they're not even sure of having really thought about and fact-checked.

[@LetterToGodFromMeToYou]

If the Bible were perfect, it wouldn't have to contradict itself.

[@jackieruiz2348]

How so? ​@@LetterToGodFromMeToYou

[@masteroogway2853]

Alex has the best critiques, he eviscerates dumb arguments and respects strong ones

[@markwildt5728]

You should remove your lips from Alex's ass and come up for air... Alex is simply your typical dime a dozen KZbin atheist edgelord. Also, he dodged the question and deflected. He couldn't refute one argument, so he deflected to one he thought he could. Unfortunately Dinesh got rattled and handled it poorly, because if Dinesh would have stayed sharp, not fall for Alex's tactics, and pressed him on the original question, Alex would have come away looking rather foolish.

[@MuhammadAliKhan-gi2rr]

U can't defend the Bible against science. Not all is the word of God

[@blackbeauty5817]

I felt so much second hand embarrassment from watching Dinesh tie himself into knots. I physically had to pause the debate to take it in😂

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

That's not what happened.

[@samtv6447]

Dineash is right the Bible isn't a science book

[@ezshottah3732]

That look on a Christian’s face when logic overrides his faith- priceless 😂

[@sean_miller]

Lol. As an agnostic Christian, at least I can laugh about it now. 😅

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

you mean when he realizes he is going to have to describe meaning to someone who won't accept it. right. That's the problem.

[@ezshottah3732]

@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue explain what meaning? He tried to use science to validate his religion and then when science contradicted his religious assertions he says the Bible is not trying to be scientific truth…. You can’t move the goal post especially if you’re still gonna miss

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

@@ezshottah3732 No he didn't. He said while addressing spiritual things, it touched on a truth that coincides with the reality of the world we know. It DOES touch on the world being created. It is not addressing science. It is address the world being created by God. But being created by God COINCIDES with having a beginning, and a start, and not being infinite. But the Bible was not really addressing that scientific fact. It was addressing it spiritually. Pagan religions typically thought one of two things: 1. the earth and universe were eternal or 2. the earth and universe were made by gods having sex. The Bible refutes these: God created it. No, the earth is not created by gods having sex. Nor is the earth a sex-having goddess like Gaia. Earth is just a creation. The sun and moon are not gods. They are creation. The animals are creation. Etc. It was addressing these pagan ideas. But the earth being created by God meant it was created and had a beginning. That non-scientific description COINCIDES with science. As science has confirmed that phenomenon as a real happening - even though scientists denied it extensively. Until they were forced into changing their entire cosmology based on proofs and data. He EXPLICITLY says that Genesis is not describing science. It's not. It's describing other truths. And this lead them to knowing the universe had a beginning.... this was beyond any reason for them to think so based on any observation of substances and material. So they knew a truth because it was true. Even if it wasn't a science claim being addressed. It was ALEX that moved to goal post and claimed it was a scientific claim. He did that intentionally. He knew he was avoiding answering the question by changing the subject. Ken Ham is living rent free in Alex's mind or something. That is NOT the only way we address Genesis. The whole can mean something entirely different - and still coincide with science. Like "paths of the sea" being written to praise the power of the Lord - and then being used to discover the ocean currents. That doesn't make that prayerful Psalm a science book. But it noting things God made, it touched on a truth - a truth that coincides with an unknown scientific fact too. Beyond any reason. The writer knew the unknowable.... in writing a praise to God.

[@ezshottah3732]

@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue idk where you pulled all that nonsense from but here’s the genesis creation account Gen.1 [1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. [3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. [4] And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. [5] And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Literally states that “god” created the earth before the sun. Which is factually incorrect. The earth could not have formed without the gravitational force of the sun(light) look up accretion Again. You can’t move the goal post especially if you’re gonna miss

[@Sheriff-h8y]

Read the holy bible as when the earth was formless and void And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day. Oh wow there was light before the sun. The light of GOD. The LORD created the sun so if you can only imagine how much more powerful his light is.

[@tomjedusor7966]

This is the equivalent of Mike Tyson avenging Muhammed Ali (Christopher Hitchens), after his defeat against Larry Holmes (Dinesh).

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

If one was punching with strawman semantics and twisting words and the other was punching with meaning and purpose.... but only semantics were counted by the reg.

[@maambomumba6123]

The Genesis account of creation doesn’t say the Sun was created after the Earth. The account is written from the perspective of an observer standing on the surface of the Earth. It tells you the order in which things became visually manifest; what could be seen in which creation epoch. The reference to God making the “two great luminaries for dominating the day and dominating the night” is pointing to what was happening visually. During the first day light diffuses through the atmosphere but its source could not yet be seen. Only until the fourth creation epoch did the Sun and the moon become discernible from the Earths surface.

[@rathraven1313]

Cassius Clay was the shell of himself when he fought Larry Holmes. Larry actually showed more respect for Clay than Alex showed for Dinesh.