HOW Did They Get AWAY with this?? | There Are Other Ways - Epic | Reaction ft

[@officialmortius]

The Underworld Saga AND the premiere of the new series with Casper have been recorded in advance because of my out-of-country travel plans in June, which means BOTH are already available over on our Patreons! No Longer You, as well as the First Two songs of Hamilton, available on my Patreon - www.patreon.com/collection/572718?view=expanded The Underworld + Monster, as well as "Aaron Burr, Sir", available on Casper's Patreon - www.patreon.com/collection/562639?view=expanded And, don't miss out on the new Pride merch! Limited time Pride Flag variants AND a limited time 6% off discount (Code PRIDE6 at checkout) are only available for the month of June!! tinyurl.com/Mortius-Merch

[@omarsalem1219]

YOU WERE SERIOUS?!

[@gachazally8914]

WAIT YOU WERE SERIOUS ABOUT THE HAMILTON?

[@Fruity_one]

YESSS! HAMILTON!!🌟✒️

[@officialmortius]

@@gachazally8914 SO SERIOUS!

[@Fruity_one]

@@gachazally8914 OF COURSE HE WAS! He wouldn't trow away his shot!-.... **finger guns**

[@anniflamma1496]

Oh! I do have a reason why Crice looks like Poseidon when she gets all blue. At start I just wanted Ody to be traumatized again but its also a reference to Poseidon being also underworld god (at least during the bronze age or older versions) and she is singing about the underworld. So its like a big pot of connections I guess! However! Becasue Poseidon was a god of the underworld, that means Wet Hades is an accurate title! Lovley reaction guys! 💙💙

[@VictoriaStarratt]

I remember you saying on your tumblr that your Poseidon represents death too

[@officialmortius]

WET HADES CONFIRMED!! (jokes aside thank you for your comment, your support, and everything you’ve made for this community!!!!)

[@CFEntertains]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING UR GIFT/ART WITH THE WORLD BUT WHY WOULD YOU GO AN MAKE WET HADES CANON LIKE THAT I WILL NEVER LIVE IT DOWN

[@serelylyhikari9771]

@@CFEntertainsit’s been cannon since 1600 B.C. (Give or take), so yeah sorry, you won’t be able to live it down XD

[@felixhenson9926]

Okay so i have a different theory. In the animatic she's depicted almost like a nereid, or sea nymph, who have very close ties to Poseidon. I think it was just how the power of the sea looks.

[@reneehunt5590]

Fun detail. The hair tie that Circe uses belonged to the Nymph that she ...*cough* "lost" to the Men who came last time. Circe keeping that as a memento is very sad and sweet; but the fact that she then uses it to turn Odysseus's men back is amazing. AnniFlamma is an genius storyteller!

[@CFEntertains]

omg that is amazing

[@susanna3948]

And it's the same theme in the animations as Odysseus keeping Polites' headband.

[@MikaylaSkye-wq5ot]

I accually cried. why does no one ever talk about the freaking nymphs in the story

[@Ooblex]

The way I cackled at Hamilton could never

[@sureindubitably3771]

Ody being more loyal is just sad tbh

[@sophiegreenfield-is6xw]

It true though

[@edwardnowakowski5990]

As far as Circe’s heel turn… “everyone’s true colors are revealed in acts of lust” She wasn’t wrong, Odysseus’ true character was revealed when he refused her advances and talked about how much he loves his wife

[@phoenix_songbird]

Yeah, she made him realise what mattered to him most

[@anamilivojac0000]

But didn't he still cheat on Penelope with her in the original?

[@nattles4397]

@@anamilivojac0000 I wouldn't call it cheating, he was essentially told "do this or your men will perish". He was sexually assaulted and coerced into sex throughout the year that they stayed with Circe.

[@edwardnowakowski5990]

@@anamilivojac0000 yeah, Jorge’s version of Odysseus is definitely more faithful

[@VistaAllen]

In Greece it's not considered cheating when it's demanded by a goddess and she is a minor goddess. What do you do? Turn her down?

[@disableddragonborn]

"Want to save your men from the fire? Show me that you're willing to burn." Because of the form his men are in, every time I hear that line, all I can think of is bacon.

[@trystaseale3867]

I cant keep saying this again and again to others in the comments, there is a power imbalance between him and the Gods, he is faithful, he is more of a victim because Hermes tells him to sleep with her if he wants to save his men and since a God told him to, he cant say no even if he wants. He stays for as year because he faced so much death and finally found some peace. The story of his other child is not by Homer so take it with a grain of salt but even if he does have a child, he is literally a victim and we need to treat him as such

[@phoenixwings8038]

Yes!! Finally someone else who mentions and comments about it. I don't blame people for thinking he did sleep around with women considering how much misinformation is out there, especially with all the "sequels" that were written centuries later and aren't even part of the original or written by Homer. But the fact that people ever thought that it was consensual? Forced consent or coercion is not consent, you guys. All this to say I agree with you and think you explained this perfectly.

[@aniheartsong5102]

I would generally agree. The Odyssey does paint such as one of his strongest morals. Even supporting the person who was acting as a defensive force protecting the slaves.

[@feistsorcerer2251]

THANK YOU!!! Everyone loves to call Odysseus in the Odyssey cheater when every situation that would "qualify" is not one he can meaningfully consent to! Some translations definitely make it harder to pick up but some at least are pretty clear that he does not have a choice. Someone resigning themselves to a situation and finding what peace they can in it didn't mean they agreed or consented. At BEST it's a case where he didn't have a choice but it's actually okay with the situation, which I at least still don't consider cheating.

[@NightShadow-em7gw]

Men are also victims. PERIOD

[@akaittou]

This! Hesiod who wrote Theogony and Eugammon who wrote Telegony, which are where the "had children with circe and also with another goddess on a different island" thing comes from, lived some 100 and 300 years AFTER Homer who wrote Odyssey! The only thing that happens in regards to that with Circe in the original is that Odysseus is forced to bed her in order to save himself and his men, but at no point does it lead to anything. This is a case of much later derivative work being treated as if it's part of the original. Imagine if someone NOW wrote a book about a child they decided to claim Robinson Crusoe had with one of the cannibals on the island he was stuck on, and people treated it as part of the original book. That's a similar time gap.

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

Oh, Casper... Penelope is at her loom for ENTIRELY different reasons (Odyssey spoilers lol)

[@marii.trd_]

we are burdened with future we cannot tell yet, my friend😂😢

[@KingsBard]

​​@@marii.trd_Oh gods we're Tiresias

[@marii.trd_]

@@KingsBard oh, god we have the answers we cannot speak oh dear

[@enigma3238]

@@KingsBard if we tell enough misinformation then we can be Cassandra if you prefer that

[@Nam3l3ssAnami]

@@enigma3238we’re Cassandra if we tell the truth and they don’t believe us 🌝

[@lowstamina_arts]

I still think it’s so funny that the promotional recreation Jay did for this saga got flagged because they were using a plastic fork apparently being to violent 😂

[@nope6610]

***plastic fork Which made it even funnier

[@AddyzilynRules]

@@nope6610and then we were graced with the uncensored section when it premiered.

[@voidfloof]

And when they censored the plastic fork it was unrestricted. Hilarious that it was that that did them in and not the... actual content

[@lowstamina_arts]

@@voidfloof exactly 😭😂

[@lavenderbunnie461]

I've read a comment before that explained that the reason she has a connection to the sun and mermaids/sirens is bc she's the daughter of a sea nymph and the sun god, but i'm not a 100% sure

[@fireflyer97]

You got it right.

[@Esper0101]

You're right. Circe is the daughter of a ocean nymph and the Sun God Helios.

[@Sealittlesea]

Which type of sea nymph? A naiad or a nereid?

[@princefarron5484]

I like to think Athena was once again the piano. One loud piano slam of her going, "wait what!?!" of Athena being genuinely shocked. Also shock and worry because i don't think Athena can follow or see into the underworld.

[@ceciliasantos7886]

OMG! I absolutely love this

[@falperio05]

Oh thats so funny

[@ShyyGaladriel]

Oh I love this thought!

[@Aloysius_OHare]

Unless she has Hades' permission, no she cannot enter the underworld willy nilly. Think of it like setting an appointment 🤣 If I was hades, I wouldn't want snobby gods walking in and out of a precious place filled with SOULS to be abused.

[@samchar6939]

Fun fact, Circe turned back the men into a taller , younger, and more handsome version of themselves. And during the year they spent there, only Elpenor died because he was too drunk and mistook a roof for stairs ( it gave his name to the Elpenor's syndrome )

[@VillainVac]

rip elpenor

[@aliciakozume5928]

Elpenor

[@SayukiSuzukiMizuno]

I died and nobody careeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed

[@samchar6939]

@@SayukiSuzukiMizuno exactly, and even more in Jorge's version since he got replaced.

[@ciomaria6137]

I told my daughter the story about Elpenor when she mentioned it was sad that he had only 43 men left and they were almost all stuck as pigs… (we were just listening to the music then, before I discovered the animatics and these reactions). I told her it was actually 42 when they left her island and why. She then had to tell all her friends the new “fun fact” she learned. 😂

[@bradleybarnett1469]

Yes, Mortius. She was trying to stab him. She was never going to actually do the deed. She was just using that to lure him in

[@kai_the_angel]

Momento mori

[@thomascochran7907]

To be fair that’s a added part in the musical, in the odyssey she spent a whole year have Odysseus blow out her back, in exchange for his men.

[@The17th_Jedi]

@@thomascochran7907 wait what your joking right

[@Dark_shadow4056]

@@The17th_Jedi nope, not joking

[@BlueCookies1116]

@@Dark_shadow4056yeah, they even had like a kid together lol

[@gachazally8914]

I am now proud to say im now suffering from bi panic

[@officialmortius]

It’s June you’re not only allowed but encouraged

[@gachazally8914]

@@officialmortius HELL YEAH

[@music_and_other_random_thi1330]

🏳️‍🌈

[@lonesome1500]

​@@gachazally8914 *le gasp* profanity 😱 lol

[@NalaTheRaptor]

Omg that happened to me toooo!!! TwT

[@SisterShree]

I bet Circe and Polites would have gotten along. For as much as this story is about ruthlessness being mercy on oneself, inevitably turning ones back to opening your arms to the world. In this moment opening ones arms and being vulnerable actually helped. Her line "Maybe showing one act of kindness, leads to kinder souls down the road." was absolutely the kind of world Polites wanted to see. That line gives a tiny little hint that maybe it could be possible if everyone just tried to be more kind. Sadly we know that's not meant to be in the end, but just goes to show how special Polites actually was, And how little that world deserved him.

[@chongwillson972]

@SisterShree funny enough Polites follows a pattern of people in this epic that escape a better fate and later die. had Polites ate the lotus flowers he would not have died. the second is Elpenor, who is most likely the little pig the nymph was holding, since he was the youngest in the crew. they had a party at Circe's, he got drunk and climb the building when Odysseus gives the signal to leave, he wakes up and accidently fells of the roof and snaps his neck when he hits the ground, no one notices his death. that's why the in the underworld the crew said 558 died instead of 557. he was the first one Odysseus meets in the underworld, and begged Odysseus to give him a proper burial so he doesn't suffer the same fate as rest of dead crew.

[@AG-ff1kv]

Funny thing is that in The Odyssey, Polites was one of the first to enter Circe's palace

[@jp3711nc1]

If we are talking about the original story, yes ​same with the vice captain. This is am epic retelling from another story. @AG-ff1kv

[@claran3616]

Yes, this one of(the only?) times open arms actually works out for them. Polites would be proud. One respite before it all goes to hell.

[@chongwillson972]

@@claran3616 ironically it also works with the winnon's as well, otherwise a lot of them would eaten the fruit, and would not know where to go AND would have pissed off the wind god as well

[@disableddragonborn]

In this song, "I'm just a man" is the equivalent of "Lord, show me how to say no to this." from "Say No To This" from Hamilton. 😆

[@disableddragonborn]

"Alexander Hamilton could never!" 👏🏻👏🏻

[@CyrahLia_459]

The only difference, one managed to resist the temptation after not seeing his wife for 10-12 YEARS at the time, then for Calypso AGAIN, both two very longed for and pretty GODDESSES who other men would JUMP at the chance to, and one WILLINGLY didn't go with his wife cause he was busy and was tired, not having seen his wife for a WEEK- also, Ody hadn't slept for more than nine days at that point- (No Hamilton Hate, I do like him but DAM Ody wins by a LONG SHOT when it comes to loyalty)

[@superiortoyouall.]

"Alexander Hamilton could never" LITERALLYYY OMGG FIRST THING I THOUGHT OF

[@teodortomic4755]

I'm dissapointed her knife wasn't a fork

[@fireflyer97]

Circe taking that wrist-tie, that likely belonged to the nymph who perished during the previous encounter with men and turning it into a hair-tie represents Circe putting aside her trust issues and trauma to help Odysseus after seeing that she could trust him.

[@fireflyer97]

The baby pig was probably a younger member of the crew. People think it's Elpenor, a character that had a feature part in a song in the Underworld saga but was cut, since in the og story I think he was the youngest member of the crew.

[@paragonpaladin8105]

He didn't survive this island (fell off a roof), so its probably not him. Even though his lines in the next saga were cut, the number of crew in the song still references his death.

[@fireflyer97]

@@paragonpaladin8105 Elpenor didn't die until after Odysseus confronted Circe, so it could still be him. At the very least it would very funny if it was him.

[@nahlannentrela5376]

Finally, someone appreciates the Vocal FLEX Circe throws at us as much as I do! FAVORITE moment of the whole musical so far is that rising note she belts out, phenomenal singer!

[@disastrouslylargeicedmocha]

Odysseus and Circe are the Odyssey version, Jorge and Talya are in the alternate version of how this plays out, the Theogany 😂

[@DevinDoingstuff]

The classic case of being away from...*cough* "action" with a loved one almost causing cheating. Always some good but often overlooked plotpoint, with how strained it makes some people.

[@whitenobeard]

Its also important to note he was literally being coerced into sleeping with her. Even in the Odyssey he only sleeps with her because she literally says, "do this or lose all of your men" and he gets stuck there for a year. Same thing with Calypso, except she literally just r@pes him for 7 years.

[@simly5189]

I need a lot more people to recognize the elements of SA here, considering she sings "if you want to save your men from the fire, show me that you're willing to burn", and he tries to justify it to himself before he breaks away in the "I can't". This isn't Odysseus almost cheating or almost giving in and proving Circe right about being a pig

[@michellewest4796]

She didn't turn you into a pig, Casper. She merely revealed your true form. Also one of the behind the scenes recording with the two lovebirds, Talya is wearing a "Circe ❤ Odysseus" t-shirt.

[@annikathewitch3950]

I really like that you picked up on the loom sorta being a symbol of Penelope's power, because that's absolutely spot-on for reasons that I can't explain because spoilers.

[@greyboyer]

Im pretty sure in this song circr is using magic and not just using charisma i think this because her eyes become yellow and glowing with what seems like magic

[@Nam3l3ssAnami]

Nah, she is just like a bard that rolled a D20 in charisma xD

[@sofialu226]

It is magic. Hermes told oddysues "It will work until you beaten your opponent" and when he had the sword on her throat he defeated her so the Molly magic wore off, like Casper Mentions, Oddysues Guitar is GONE and he sings in Circes tune repeating what She is saying, she put a spell on him. "There is no ppuppet Here" sounds like her trying to make oddysues believe he is choosing to fall for her, but no. At the end Oddysues Love and Loyalty is that strong he was able to break the spell

[@jlablue3401]

That is exactly it. Jorge has even confirmed the molly wore off and Circe put Odysseus under a spell that he managed to break out of because of his devotion to Penelope.

[@sakurap95]

14:30 when you mentioned Penelope threading the loom, I thought of her playing Odysseus’s guitar strings. 😅 As in because he says she is all his power. Sorry if that came out weird.

[@audreyii6750]

I love how Jorge humanizes Circe. The way she does this, not because she's evil, but because she'll do _anything_ to protect her loved ones (just like Odysseus will do _anything_ to get back to his loved ones) I _love_ the line "This is the price, we pay [...] There is no line, never enough" Circe is willing to kill for her nymphs, she's willing to offer herself up to catch this man off guard She does _monsterous_ things for love Odysseus will do the same

[@mushroom4286]

Every time I get to this song, all I could think of was that one Hamilton song- 11:45 THANK U FOR SAYING WHAT WAS ON MY MIND THE FIRST TIME I LISTENED TO THIS SONG!

[@Azziyaisalwaysonline]

Say No To This except he actually says no to it

[@Dawn_the_dragon]

I’ve assumed that Circe purposely turned the pig into a baby pig for the little nymph. I just think that’s adorable.

[@kayleehodgman3427]

when he says 12 long years i just thought those two extra years were the years at sea from all his fighting sea travel takes a long time

[@lucarioaura4943]

same

[@Chikararyoku]

my theory as for why he says 12 years instead of 10 years, is because, since the start of the story, while it's half an hour to us, all that time at sea may have been 2 years for him

[@abeamedeiros]

I think this might have been jorge messing up since he took out Circe’s and Odysseus affair: He fought ten years in the war and then stays two years with Circe, but bc of the change, they just stumble there, get cursed, and leave soon after. But tbh, it could be anything haha Edit: Yeah, should have finished the video before commenting lmao they literally say it was a jorge mistake sorryy but yeah, im sure he messed bc he forgot to subtract the affair lmao

[@laezin2442]

That was what I first assumed also, since he isn't going to stay an entire year with Circe like the original myth. That being said, Odysseus just being bad at math is funnier

[@kctoygacha5069]

​@@laezin2442That's hilarious XD

[@glowface79]

Who knows, maybe they lost track of time around the lotus-eaters. Even sniffing may have an effect...

[@rociohotaru3725]

The whole trip since the war ended could have been 2 years, I mean, it's a big ocean.

[@PetarSon]

16:25 You are angry at Odysseus because he is afraid for himself and his men? I'll give you something to think about, when Odysseus and his fleet were going back home their food supplies were depleted, and 600 crew members eat a lot of food on a long journey, and when they reached the first island Odysseus made just one mistake that started the chain of death, and that is that he took Polites with him, because if he had taken Eurylochus or anyone else, maybe they wouldn't have find the Cyclops cave, and would find food elsewhere, or they would have been much more careful and scouted the cave to see if it was safe, before they would call more crew members, while Polites thought the cave was "SAFE" because he asked nicely for directions, thinking that since he was nice with the lotus eaters everything would be fine, that is why I say if Eurylochus or anyone else went with Odysseus instead of Polites, there wouldn't be any problems (or they would be minimalistic) nor would Athena leave Odysseus, because Polites unintentionally created a conflict in Odysseus with Athena. OK I understand that Odysseus was depressed because of the baby he had to kill, since the gods didn't give him a choice, but he was still "The Leader", and Polites wanting to help his frend only made things worse, because Odysseus started to have a problem in himself not knowing anymore when mercy is the right decision, and it is because he is fed up with death and wants to avoid killing after the war, but he still has his duties as "The Leader", and his friend tells him to "relax" which is the worst thing you can tell as advice to your "Leader" in unknown territory, but since they are childhood friends Odysseus takes his friend's advice to heart, causing him to lose focus, and start making mistakes like never before, which leads to the conflict with Athena. Everyone would have already be home if someone else had gone with Odysseus instead of Polites.

[@area52ron]

I think the reason is unlike polities the other men probably didn’t know how to comfort Odysseus whose mind was clouded with guilt then add grief when Polities died It certainly didn’t help him think straight

[@PetarSon]

@@area52ron That's right, a very good point, and his childhood friend knows best what he is like in these emotional moments, but he was the wrong choice for a scout partner on an unknown island, it's really a wonder how the story would have been much more different if someone else had gone with Odysseus to scout.

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

Mortius Circe's voice is called Talya Sindel 😭

[@sofialu226]

Ah! Oddyseus Guitar is Gone! That was it. I knew the power Dynamic changed and it felt intimidating specially how Oddyseus started Singing in Circe's tune making me understand she was controlling him, it felt like Circe saying "There is Not Puppet Here" was more of her trying to make oddyseus Believe he was choosing to fall for her, when not. And the Guitar gone just confirmed that for me, because it means his autonomy was nowhere to be Seen/Hear In Wouldn't You Like, Hermes told Oddyseus "It will work until you beaten your opponent" so when He finally defeated her, "You Lost", the Molly effect wore off leaving Oddyseus vulnerable to Circe's Spell. But how this version is, in some aspects, nicer than the classic the power of Love is stronger than a God 😂

[@DeeCian]

Fun Fact: The loom is really important in Penelope's story and I am so glad that was included :D Awesome little detail

[@allysonaham7190]

When you react to "No Longer You" you HAVE to react to Ximena Natzel animatic. PLESE ITS THE BEST EPIC ANIMATIC I HAVE SEEN

[@omarsalem1219]

I honestly think they shouldn't react to any animatics for spoiler reasons

[@marii.trd_]

CASPER & MORTIUS THIS IS ACT 2 SPOILER SCOOT !! are they gone? okay. casper picking up athena's piano is so cool considering what will happen during Hera's verse in God Games lol

[@marii.trd_]

I'm gonna add it here just in case- there **is** a reason why Penelope is weaving in that loom

[@WittySomething]

God I love the part with Hera, it's just funny.

[@akaittou]

It's interesting that Casper brings up how this song could have been a waltz, but isn't, as the example for the dynamic between Circe and Odysseus being a dance. Because this song IS a dance, it's just not waltz but tango! The dance of passion! In the start of 'Done For' the rhytm the cello plays out is one of the most common beat patterns used in tango, and the heartbeat-like thumping percussion follows another common variant of it! Linking Odysseus' "I don't follow" -line to dancing terminology is really interesting in lieu of that actually, since during his parts in 'Done For' the tango rhythm disappears and is replaced by his electric guitar motif from the very start of the musical in the wooden horse when he was unquestionably LEADING. It's only up until she calls his bluff over the Moly, though, at which point the tango beat returns. And that rhythm and beat continues here in 'There Are Other Ways', the double bass maintaining it layered over the cellos. In fact, if you go back to Puppeteer, the tango thythm is there too, as soon as Circe's powers are present and active! Essentially, the rhytm is there whenever Circe is "leading", using her magic and ensnaring others. It's telling that it's overlayed more subtly here, and keeps actually slowly growing CLEARER up until the point Odysseus manages to deny Circe. And IT DOESN'T COME BACK even during her response until we get to the chorus-like structure where she starts actively working her magic to undo her curse on the men and aid Odysseus, and then gives quickly way to a more moden pop music -like drum beat. So yeah. It's tango. Circe does the tango. And if you haven't guessed already, I like tango :D

[@skatykw]

I like her putting up her hair so you can see her ear-fins. Its like she's not being deceptive or hiding anything, shes showing herself, without being threatening ❤

[@Sellers6621]

Still gotta remind you, it's Talya, not Tanya lol

[@officialmortius]

I figured it out after 😭

[@fiaghost4759]

i always thought Just a Man comes in places where Odysseus needs to make a tough decision, choosing between his morals and survival. and i don't think what happens here is an exception, because Circe threatens to cook and eat his men (want to save your men from the fire?), so this time he's choosing between saving them and staying loyal to Penelope. and Anni made sure to show that he's very much NOT into Circe. but this is only one of interpretations, so idk

[@queenrosehearts2445]

I hate what my brain just did. That sudden drop with the piano when Circe said the prophet was dead reminded me of that very sudden turn in "Survive" where the entire like tone just dropped with the first hit of Polyphemus' club. That's what that drop reminded me of, and I hate my brain now.

[@UniverseDestroyingDog]

LETS GO MY FIRST PREMIER Edit: wow this is the most likes I’ve ever gotten :O

[@kyleclark6997]

Lol at the 'say nothing'. Mason is great

[@audreyii6750]

"Maybe showing one act of kindness, leads to kinder souls down the road" 🤝 "This life is amazing, when you great it with open arms" Like, open arms WORKS in this song. Odysseus "leads from the heart & sees what starts" he "show(s) a person that you trust them, when [he] stop and lowers [his] guard" Open arms _works_ here & that just makes the events of the Underworld Saga _so much more heartbreaking!_

[@Meloned_turtle176]

"Witch hades seduses casper fox"

[@VictoriaStarratt]

More at 11

[@ilikeswords5877]

Hiya Mortius. It's maybe a little too late to ask this considering you probably have recorded most videos for June already, but it would be cool if you reacted to "the tale of the lesbian hunter" by Vinny Marchi. There is an animatic but it doesn't have captions, but the video from his channel has, so I recommend that video.

[@goawaylaziness1157]

He said that he wished Jorge went with a waltz like melody, but the dance that I tend to associate to the song with is tango and I think it fits better with the seduction and lustful aspect of it

[@kingsleychen710]

16:21 not Casper going boo hoo womp womp 😂😂😂

[@crystallight808]

Just so everybody here is aware now that both of you have watched Thunder Saga for the most part our girl Circe here turned Scylla into a sea monster after the man that she fell in love with fell in love with Scylla and wanted to be with her instead of Circe she also turned that guy into a goat! Yay!

[@HeadDetectiveLassie]

"This is the price we pay to love..." is actually sung in Puppeteer during Circe's second verse. The first verse "is to live", so it is reprising (is this the fight word) the lyric.

[@disableddragonborn]

Yep, that's the right word. I really wish I had seen your comment before I went through the work of checking to be sure, then commenting something similar. 😂

[@VioletStreamWC]

Same.

[@altarudragonspirit4016]

So down for the Hamilton reactions; it has been 12* long years since it first released, after all *It first premiered off-Broadway in 2015, lol

[@k.s.a9597]

Oh man, I think all of the gods are already cast. Jorge just haven't revealed them yet

[@artthounasty5877]

Lmao, immediately after Circe's tatas broke the website, I got an ad for personal parts shaving cream😭😭😭

[@Nebula-Black]

No no no, the Poseidon reference is definitely intentional, Circe is also a type of sea goddess😅😅

[@michelleengland6603]

The Alexander Hamilton could never comment was wild!

[@SilkyCrow]

My first thought when Casper mentions the underworld was just "Ah yes... Dry Poseidon brother of Wet Hades."

[@Hi_im_short]

Wet hades chain 👇

[@omarsalem1219]

Wet hades

[@hrsmesn]

wet hades

[@orpheusthebard-yv1me]

wet hades

[@BlueCookies1116]

Wet hades!

[@ccassandrac]

wet hades

[@taterbait8942]

12:38 In puppeteer the first time she says this is the price we pay to live and the second time it switches to love so it didn’t just switch for this song

[@F_doesnotwanttobehere7]

4:20 most chaotic intro yet omgg 😂😂

[@amelibond8926]

i did NOt expected "Voldemort core" mentioning in this video 😭😭😭😭

[@ducksdog9996]

I can't wait till this premieres been looking forward to it all day!

[@ALWAYYYEPIEEEEE]

Kinda touch my heart when you say Polites remember every man birthday does they even remember polites birthday?😢

[@charaglitchwitch674]

still fully of the opinion he's being blamed to much.

[@Intotheabyss1988]

Agreed! He IS clever, but they keep acting like he’s a dumb rock making dumb decisions. His problem is hubris, not stupidity.

[@charaglitchwitch674]

@@Intotheabyss1988 even that hubris decisions that led to most of this was stressed induced emotionally charged times where maybe if he was just left alone and not being ordered like a dog to do things he doesn't want to then maybe he'd not have done it. from what i have read that apology to Poseidon even (don't quote me on this, from what i have read but i didn't deep dive) that was how apologies were done back then, specially greek.

[@Intotheabyss1988]

@@charaglitchwitch674 and a good 90% of the issues Odysseus faces are the fault of his crew or Ajax the lesser. (Ajax the lesser insulted the Athena before they all set sail home, which caused her to blow everyone off course, which lead to them having to find more food - enter the lotus eater island.) So much of the issues that made Odysseus take 10 years to get back home (total of 20 years gone) are the fault of his idiotic crew. Epic changes how the ships were lost, it was a bunch of cannibals in the poem, Poseidon comes in later well after the rest of the crew is killed off through other misadventures (basically Zeus zaps them all because they eat Helios’s sheep after being explicitly told NOT to).

[@charaglitchwitch674]

@@Intotheabyss1988 damn didn't know that only know epic so my pov and opinion are mainly off of that. That's a lot of issues some men made right there. The bag one hurt a lot cause they were so damn close.

[@ajeeeezz]

Just a heads up, I believe you have accidentally linked the Done For animatic instead of this songs!

[@Adrconte-rf8is]

I have a small theory; that baby pig is Elpenor. A man from Odysseus' crew, and was somewhat confirmed to be the youngest one there. He even had a small line from the Underworld Saga, which was cut, however. But, he was given a little reference. Ruthlessness; 43 men under Odysseus command Underworld; 558 men who died under his command Yes, he died after being turned back into a man. If you wanna know how, I won't spoil it, so watch it yourself! :> Edit: perhaps you could make a reaction video of all the cut content from Epic the Musical? It won't really be spoilers, seeing as there's not a lot, but there should be enough for a reaction video!

[@AidanDoherty-xk1qq]

MOISTIUS

[@zest5553]

cursed lmao

[@officialmortius]

😭

[@WittySomething]

The wetness has spread.

[@Astrochiica]

Fun fact the disco theme we hear when circe says " I remember actions of pation" is because hermes and her had a relationship before.

[@XueYuki7007]

At least Odysseus said no to this

[@lilahholly2627]

The look of pain on Ody's face right after he tries to pull away, but she keeps pulling him back, is so heart-wrenching.

[@caraleisecook7043]

Is no one gonna mention the fact that he fell under her spell, and that is why she almost killed him? It's the same lyrics from when his men fell under her spell.

[@ghostsurfer23]

Underworld - ShiQing47 No Longer You - Ximena Natzel Monster - Gigi Those are my current favorites for animatics for the Underworld Saga. Boys, do with that what thou will.

[@adenmoore3055]

When the men were turning back I believe the lyrics changes from puppeteer to there’s no puppet here, I believe, so thats neat

[@lila8604]

For the underworld saga you should react to animatics Ximena for no longer you Gigi monster

[@thefollower89]

I have an alternate theory about the piano playing while Athena isn’t there physically, it might as well be as you guys theorize and it means she is watching over Odysseus, but what if it plays on the background the more Odysseus acts the way Athena wants him to act, so the more he acts as his teacher the more powerful the piano sounds become, probably wrong just an idea that occurred to me

[@Intotheabyss1988]

Nope, that’s portrayed by Odysseus’s instrument. When he’s being soft it’s an acoustic guitar, when he’s being clever (like Athena wants him to act) it’s an electric guitar. The piano is 100% Athena observing.

[@combatwombat8572]

"breasts inbound" killed me

[@VickiPlays-gaming]

Good lord circe girrrl. 10 steps to far (Mortius did give a warning) girl can we talk. I would like to talk to you in private

[@GleamDrawz]

I don't want to repeat the line that came into my head after “I would like to talk to you in private” for Circe Its too cursed to exist, even though only a single letter is replaced to be an f

[@VickiPlays-gaming]

@@GleamDrawz lol 😂 I was referring to luck runs out but your funny

[@juj509]

7:37 casper's torso mixing into Circe's torso is just- I can't, i can't it's too hilarious

[@disableddragonborn]

I visibly got surprised when Casper said "What's the name of the blind guy?" Was Tiresias in the PJO series? I thought that was Casper's only prior knowledge.

[@eleonorawitzky5832]

6:01 i honestly kinda disagree about doing this in 3/4 time, because while that is the tempo for a waltz, do you know a famous style of dance in 4/4? The TANGO. If I had any choreography skill at all, I would be trying to choreograph a Done For and There Are Other Ways tango

[@amenax7914]

Circe gaining her respect to Oddyseus as soon as he stays true and loyal to his wife is incredible. It is heavily implied that her nymphs were hurt by men in a sexual way, so seeing restrain and regret for his thoughts from Oddyseus being the thing that makes her see him as more then a pig to kill is giving me goosebumps. I Love her character and her motivations here

[@JayietheRiverWarrior]

Okay so yes the Poseidon thing is (mostly) Odysseus’s fault and I’m usually all for holding him to account for his own shit, but goddamit the way Anna animated him… he loves his wife so much, the way he’s so genuinely vulnerable and showing his grief and sadness and crying and curled in on himself, just showing that sadness and vulnerability from a man without mocking it… god dammit, my heartstrings are successfully pulled

[@ControversialOpinionGuy]

I love that the freak puts about her "being naked" despite it not having any nudity lol

[@pandoamessi4079]

07:44 -PLEASE, THE FACT THAT CASPER _PERFECTLY_ FITS WITH THE VIDEO- 😂😂

[@officialmortius]

THAT IS SO FUNNY ACTUALLY

[@Maira-sorn]

If I recall in the oddesy he spends a whole year on the island Arachne with crice and even gets 2-3 kids with her. which is kinda hileriues for later in the "Epic: story ".. the loom comment made me chuckle a little because of the myth of Arachne and Athena. Where Arachne challenges Athena to a contest, and wins but is turned into a spider because Athena is a spiteful goddess

[@laurasibob1106]

It might be very late to say this but I might as well. She Circe normally has golden eyes because she is Helios' daughter, and the golden eyes of the Titan of the Sun simply make sense. However here, when she talks about taking them to the underworld, she gets eyes like Poseidon. Why? Her mother was a nymph, specifically an OCEAN nymph. A very big thing about the Underworld is that the sun doesn't get there. Helios literally threatened Zeus with taking the sun to the Underworld later in the story, so I think the idea was that she loses the influence of helios when mentioning the underworld because he's not supposed to go there or affect things there, so only the ocean heritage remains for that moment.

[@disableddragonborn]

Jorge and Talya filmed a live action version of the sword bit, and they used a plastic fork. Tik Tok deemed it too inappropriate, despite the fact that they were fully clothed and IT WAS A PLASTIC FORK. Edit: Okay, you _have_ seen it.

[@kawikamyers7320]

5:51 Aha! Not Salsa, Tango. Much more sensual

[@dopaminevamp399]

The baby pig was probably just because of Lesser Ajax, if he was alive by that point (and if he was the person Anniflamma was depicting as a baby pig). It's also entirely possible Odysseus had more short kings on his team, other than just Lesser Ajax

[@АружанМақсатқызы-ш7ш]

I don't think Ody had other kings on his crew.Ithacans and slaves after war(if any remained after Ruthlessness).Also didn't Lesser Ajax die bc of his ego?

[@dopaminevamp399]

@@АружанМақсатқызы-ш7ш Short king as in short man, not literal king

[@АружанМақсатқызы-ш7ш]

@@dopaminevamp399 Oh,okay!My reply was more about Ajax being in Ody's crew.

[@dopaminevamp399]

@user-ke5bt8br8y Yeah. I haven't read the original Troy and Odyssey books, so I don't know what happens to Lesser Ajax. That's why I said the baby pig was probably meant to be Lesser Ajax, but could have also been any other short man Odysseus could have had in his crew

[@Intotheabyss1988]

Lesser Ajax was a king who had his own fleet, he was not a part if Odysseus’s fleet. They just worked together in the Trojan war. He ends up insulting both Athena and Poseidon, leading to his death on his way home.

[@BeátaSzintaiKiss]

DO gigi's they are other ways❤💞🤩😍💖🌺🌸

[@saltenzy449]

Okay so, I wanted to figure out why the color choices were done as they were and either Anna did some really cool stuff or just happened onto really cool stuff. So, this animatic give Circe two colors when doing/discussing magic. That yellow into magenta thing when its regarding spells placed on the men, and a cyan that looks a lot like Poseidon's color when she mentions the underworld. So does this mean she is drawing magic from multiple sources? and that any underworld related magic she is drawing from Poseidon? There is theory that Poseidon was once god of the underworld before Hades even existed, and that he was a chthonic god in Mycenean Greece (ancient Greece's ancient Greece). So is Anna's color choice indicating the belief in that theory and that Circe is connected directly with Poseidon? This is when I pulled up another tab of the animatic to look at the flashback to Poseidon's eyes and at Circe's eyes, AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY DIFFERENT COLORS! I thought they were the same but its very distinctly different cyans. Poseidon has a more green cyan while Circe has a much bluer cyan to the point that its nearly a muted sky blue (light blue). So what does all this actually indicate, or is this just artistic choice for things? This is when I went to research things and turns out, Circe may be able to tap into chthonic magic, but not from Poseidon at all! Circe is the daughter of the sun god Hellios and the Oceanid nymph Perse. Family tree wise Perse is essentially cousins with Poseidon (both kids of different Titan pairs), but things get kinda weird because Perse also is sometimes viewed as the mother of Hecate, The Goddess of Magic. She also potentially has chthonic connections in being a possible ceremonial name for Persephone, goddess of the underworld. So the color change may be an indication of where the magic is being drawn from, and Circe is drawing it from her mother more directly when doing underworld based things due to Perse's chthonic connections. Bottom line whether Anna just stumbled on this or intended this, its cool.

[@femurremover]

I'm pretty sure the piglet is "Little Ajax" who is referenced a lot in Greek works including Iliad and Odyssey, and in the first song of the series!

[@Intotheabyss1988]

“Little Ajax” (Ajax the lesser) was not with Odysseus, he was a part of the Trojan war, but is a king in his own right and left with his own fleet. He pissed off both Athena and Poseidon, leading to his death on his route home.

[@itstiff_14272]

HAMILTON COULD NEVER

[@disableddragonborn]

HE CAUGHT THE PENELOPE VIOLA MOTIF!!!!!!!!!!! (Sorry, I get excited when people catch the motifs on their first listen.)

[@MagicWithinStudios464]

I recommend Beth Crowley here on KZbin

[@purple_doriima]

So the most important question... Mortius, did you guess right on what "picture" of Marwan Mason would choose?

[@officialmortius]

100%

[@Amadeusmyth1]

Unfortunately, in the mythology, I'm pretty sure Circe has 2 children by Odysseus so he does not in fact resist her advances.

[@rosalie4509]

25:04 "Oh Elpenor" 😔