How Do I Lead Someone Who Thinks They Are a Victim?

[@rossmanngroup]

I had to sell insurance a long time ago via these types of often cold leads. It was horrible. I actually used to think I was a horrible salesman until I started my own business and recognized that when I am selling people something they want, I'm an amazing salesperson.

[@ghjong001]

Whoah. Hi Louis - I actually wrote to the Ramsey show a couple months ago to try and get you on. Didn't expect anything, but thought it was worth trying.

[@NeyJ]

Awesome to know you're a DR watcher too, Louis!

[@JP-xq7fo]

As a former call center insurance sales agent I'm with you there.

[@rnt45t1]

Oh, hello there! The man, the myth, the legend Louis Rossman showing up in Dave Ramsey's comments!

[@RealGalaxyGamers]

In Dave’s book, “EntreLeadership” he lists people actually wanting to buy a product a huge part of the selling steps.

[@GC-bk1mv]

I can't work with people who hold that victim mentality...nope. I always say "it's okay not to be okay, but it's NOT okay to stay there." pick yourself up (ask for help if you need it) and move forward.

[@cabayern9416]

They don't want to... They want attention and are rightfighters.

[@hidaaa0937]

I really like how Dave treated John this episode. I am happy to see he is finally respecting John

[@wiseowl2020]

I work with a "victim" colleague. Her constant need to proclaim her victimhood is a drain on the whole team. We all wish she'd find another job.

[@davidmason777]

I remember the old heads telling me I can only take the allotted 15 min break but the get a hour every time. We have the same job title. I came back a hour later their face was priceless. I said if you gotta problem go snitch on yourself.

[@MP-nj1qy]

LOMA😂🤣😂😂😂

[@jacqueline8566]

👀👀😂😂

[@k-mart7475]

I think we all need “Abso--Dag-Gum-Lutely” shirts made.

[@Mrs.Buttercup_]

I would wear it 😂

[@ryankingsley4801]

100%

[@thatduderal7021]

“27 year olds know everything” Me (a 27 year old): “Duh”

[@Will-oj3un]

Same. I knew that already

[@mitshua]

I'm 26. Can't wait till I'm smart next year

[@thatduderal7021]

@@mitshua you’re almost there fam!

[@adls04]

I got 10 years left until I become smart

[@nicholeknight1893]

Lol 😆🤣

[@brysonmcguire4021]

Appreciated hearing John and Dave share their friendship. Sometimes, they don’t always seem like they like each other

[@mew9345]

As someone who also works in Seattle, this seems accurate 😅

[@SerErryk]

Victims who are catered to will always remain victims. The problem with victims is that their lives are too EASY, not too difficult.

[@fcallum]

@Ransey show_ Highlights- ahahahahaha. Nice try😂

[@danielsjohnson]

You're over-generalizing, I think. The victim mindset could come from life being too easy or too hard.

[@dmz489]

@@danielsjohnson and they both can be self inflicted.

[@lowermichigan4437]

To be unclear is to be unkind. I need to remember that.

[@Evil-Rod-Farva]

You replace them. People with victim mentalities cannot be led because that involves taking personal accountability. Victims don’t understand that concept. You aren’t failing them as a boss. Their parents failed them long before you met them.

[@krhervey441]

Some are not failed by parents but are not willing to put in the hard work but you can't be kind everyoone. Moving forward be firm and clear on what needs to be done. Make sure they understand the company core values and the process.

[@WolverineIncognito]

Not necessarily failed by their parents. I know people who had great parents who have the victim mentality.

[@krhervey441]

@@WolverineIncognito The world don't owe nobody nothing you owe yourself. You have to create the life you deserve. Some people hate to see you progress in life cause they think you have a little more than they have and that's sad....point blank

[@jessitabonita]

🔥🎯💯 Spot on!

[@briancroneberger9243]

@@WolverineIncognito impossible to know until you've had them as parents

[@clarifyingquestions]

Not surprised - from Seattle! Knowing the difference between enabling and helping.

[@clair233]

" you hired a cat and you're trying to train them to be a dog " 🤣🤣🤣

[@Tammohawk1]

I have adult kids, 29 and 34. They are not whiners or victims. And they also don't think they know everything. They are hard working intelligent individuals who don't fall for anyone's nonsense.

[@1967davethewave]

Everyone has had a bad break at some point or another. I know I had a couple when I was 19 and 20. I'm 53 now, financially successful, have a good family and marriage and just a generally great and happy life. If I had lived in the past and lamented about it my entire life then I never would have gone from a little unhappy person to the great life I have today. The victim mentality is either someone living in the past or someone living with a horrible desire to blame everyone but themselves for anything that happens.

[@mikeshaw4610]

Totally agree, you can different opinions, discuss and still get along. As long as you are not a strong person that does not get upset easy.

[@jones2277]

depends on the issues and everyone's personal stake in the issues.

[@kslucki]

"Everything moves in the speed of trust" LOVE this quote 👍🏻

[@EricDaMAJ]

Never hire a perma victim. There is nobody in the world more entitled and unprincipled than one of them.

[@cabayern9416]

Yes! I work with several victims and these people bring down morale, work less diligently, and complain continually. Makes fr a toxic work environment.

[@marthacalkins8054]

Unfortunately, NOT hiring a “perma victim” (GREAT term!) just convinces them further that the world is out to get them. Still, don’t hire them anyway.

[@codingiscreativity]

People think when they get fire , it's very easy decision for the company, I was struggling to fire one person for weeks.

[@insideoutsideupsidedown2218]

Some places, yes. Most could not give a rats behind. If you are looking at working for a company that considers you replaceable, look somewhere else.

[@perotal]

@@insideoutsideupsidedown2218 every one is replaceable though. Even Apple is doing just fine without Steve Jobs

[@kCI251]

@@insideoutsideupsidedown2218 wrong, everyone is replaceable. Some easier than others. As a worker, I learned that to be valued, I needed to deal expensive and difficult to replace. High productivity, skills that nobody else was willing to learn and being early to work is the key to being irreplaceable.

[@AdamWatt00]

Why’d they get fired

[@tonysoprano6265]

As much as you love someone you should talk to them. If still not getting results cut them loose for their own good

[@pwade8080]

At work we used to say “Leave the drama for your Mama”.

[@rwilbher89]

I met Dave before learning about systemic ra... I was only making $13 an hour, now I’m making $2000-$2500 a week 👀. I put zero excuses and work hard as if I was going broke tomorrow 😂

[@donwayne1357]

There's no such thing as a happy victim.

[@kaelaleedaley]

Absolutely x

[@theydontknowmeson007]

You've never met anyone that's brainwashed then.

[@donwayne1357]

@@theydontknowmeson007 If they're brainwashed then they can't have a dirty mind. There, I've run rings round you logically.

[@kaelaleedaley]

There's no true happiness in forced-living. Surely that's obvious x

[@Hammid]

John Delony is the Echo Charles to Dave Ramsey's Jocko Willink.

[@karinhansen4281]

Everything moves at the speed of trust....love that

[@insideoutsideupsidedown2218]

It is somewhat simple. If they steal, threaten someone, are insubordinate or get caught sleeping, the need to go be successful somewhere else. You need to hire a behavior, and you can mostly train a skill.

[@ominous450]

Getting fired for sleeping on the job is harsh. Just tell them to go home and get some rest. If it becomes a pattern then you can escalate to HR. I'd be homeless if I was fired ever time I dozed off in a meeting. I once rested my eyes for a good minute on a Zoom call. Had to turn off my cam

[@jones2277]

@@ominous450 expecting to keep a job that you are not performing (because you are sleeping on your employer's dime) is pretty entitled.

[@flamingodahlia3703]

Fire them and get someone else

[@annjames1837]

"To be unclear is to be unkind"...I am going to borrow that pharse Dave!

[@Love-like-Lucy]

Lead them to Dave Ramsey.

[@jthomps733]

Loving the “cat, dog” references 🤣

[@kenaddoh4693]

Great discussion!

[@erincosta565]

Everyone needs to hear this!

[@j.m0ney133]

If the person can’t accept ownership of their actions then it will become difficult counsel them.

[@WLpeasant]

7:30 John was not kidding btw

[@shawneemainservice]

I'm surprised more people didn't pickup on that!

[@dominiquealexandria5343]

This was a really good discussion! Thanks

[@minvesting4410]

Why do you care about what the guy is thinking as long as it does not interfere with the business side of things. If he wont produce because he does not want to do the job then fire him

[@TheQuaBaylaGrace]

Yeah I’m not sure what’s going on here 😂 if he or she is getting the job done what is issue?

[@jones2277]

methinks it is the caller who is the problem. he doesn't like the leftist on his staff and is gunning for a reason to terminate him based on his political beliefs.

[@Trish.O-q3h]

Fire the person. Period.

[@domwood481]

Dave has way different relationship with AO and Dr.D than with the other hosts. The others have to walk on egg shells around Dave.

[@justinbratton1235]

and you can tell that Dr. D does to an extent as well.

[@Pandorash8]

I honestly think that the only personality who doesn’t have to walk on eggshells, and for this reason I love it when she’s on the show, is Rachel.

[@domwood481]

@@Pandorash8 Well, she doesn’t really count since she’s his daughter. But yes her aswell

[@davidmilhouscarter8198]

Vox needs to watch these videos.

[@BlueStreak706]

Fire them! That’s what I wanted to do at my old job, but this system now protects and encourage bad behavior. So I ended up quitting instead.

[@rollingacresfarmstead206]

"it use to be cool to flip the bird to the system, now its trendy to be offended and claim your a victim" HOG

[@leereyno]

Scratch a victim, find a failure.

[@akiiparks]

He didn't say what the issue was

[@Lilbit2215]

Dave's laugh is so contagious lol

[@MoonlightXYZ]

Of course this is taking place in Seattle.

[@BasedRichardNixon]

Fire that guy and hire me, I’ll move to Seattle!! Hahahahahaha

[@aprilflowers1993]

Selling insurance is BS. Cold calling people and stuff. No one I know wants to buy insurance from a random person.

[@matthewjohnson1317]

I don’t do drama.

[@robertrudisill5777]

If you Even have to ask the question, you know the answer to the problem.

[@GodnMe]

I totally agree!

[@iAintNeverPullinOut]

If someone isn't bring in the money.. it's time to GO 🥾 I'd sit them down talk about the issues and tell him/her they have a month to correct it or they need to start looking for a new career.

[@relaxed69electr]

I agree with Dave and not with the other gentleman what so ever he's giving a doctors point of view and the guy who called needs help coming from a leadership point of view like Dave has built a huge company

[@AdamWatt00]

Sounds like politics. I wouldn’t let go of someone cause they don’t agree w me

[@aaronmccreless110]

So....what are the definitions of beliefs verses values?

[@NeccoWecco]

Systemic issues are very real. However, this person shouldn't let it destroy an opportunity that is given to them. I don't feel like we were given any details, so it's hard to judge.

[@mitshua]

'have you sat down and said here are the things that need to change' "I have not" Start with that maybe. Y'all trying to get someone fired without giving them a chance

[@cammy60467]

It’s so funny as a 22year old listening to y’all say 27 years old is young 😂

[@BrezzyBoi33]

Caller sounds more like a victim than the other guy

[@travispierre-louis9359]

This sounds like a retaliation lawsuit lol.

[@evalina98000]

"playing the victim fiddle"🎻 Yessiree, Uncle Dave, call it like it is 👍🏽

[@huckleberryfinn8795]

Im 34 and Im definitely one of the awesome millennials.

[@jazzyj6640]

Not sure if he’s talking about systemic racism in this conversation but I just want to say that it is a thing, that’s true but just because you believe it doesn’t make you a victim. It’s just good to be aware of this and actively make a difference. Not ignore it because it’s “not your problem”. Now maybe I’ve misunderstood the content of this conversation and if so, please share your thoughts in a respectful way. Thank you. 😊

[@TheQuaBaylaGrace]

I really wish they had asked questions about how the person is performing in the job and what the work environment is like. If they’re disagreeing politically I’m not sure why that’s a reason to contemplate firing someone

[@malyikaj]

Yeah I had the same hunch when I was listening to the conversation. I figured it must be bad if the person is contemplating firing this person. The worker must've let that be known continuously for months. It probably wasn't just one conversation. Which means they're probably having political conversations, which isn't a good idea...ever.

[@hollyb6885]

What’s this got to do with finances?

[@aglez9266]

That person is messing up with the work environment and that affects bussines

[@lauvasquez7198]

Because he is paying this “victim” with money. Personally why did he even bother to call. Just fire the dude.

[@hollyb6885]

@@lauvasquez7198 Yeah. Seems like he needs a course in Management rather than calling Dave.

[@cichlidtube1777]

Thats funny john said 27 years olds know everything because he thinks he does to😮

[@sharp52092]

That's what some people and political groups are preaching, it's sadly not surprising.

[@jjf1058]

Some people was born to be a head, others was born to be a neck. Sometimes I think Davis get call from kindergarten to solve kids problems.

[@beeceelad]

Of course Dave loves capitalism; the whole business model of the Ramsay Show is based off crippling debt.

[@michaelvan6675]

What debt have to do with capitalism?

[@DeBrandit]

@@michaelvan6675 I recently learned that some people believe capitalism is the sole reason that college is so expensive. It could be related in some way to that. The idea being there is no choice but to take massive loans to go college to get a decent job.

[@Primitive_Code]

how hard was it to say "they play the victim card." Why did you have to compare your viewpoint at 48 years old to a 27 year old? Are you saying 27 year olds are immature deviants? sounds like you are using some of the "isms" that Dave was talking about.

[@andread9899]

Big philosophy here

[@cichlidtube1777]

If john wasnt on this show it would be a decent show that i could actually listen to. But man he goes off the wall everytime on some of the most simple little things. This is why i say he is a scammer he always finds a way to turn everything into trauma so he can have you on his podcast and have you buy his books which makes him money.

[@rebeccaoprea9917]

You’re either a victim or a victor .

[@azteca6695]

Didn't Dave pull out a gun during a staff meeting?

[@Tim-57]

😯 Really!?

[@johnmirbach2338]

😎👌👍🖖✌😁

[@alexgg7499]

To me is called snowflakes

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[@connorpolrens6501]

Black.

[@Joseph-ub5wh]

False many Karen's also have a victim mentality

[@TheQuaBaylaGrace]

Why did you think this was relevant and necessary to say? Does it really matter?