How Do You Move On From Broken Dreams?

[@pn8326]

"What i think you cant get around is you didnt get your way" Mic drop. Amen.

[@melanieb2132]

She gets her identity through being a stay at home mom.. pregnancy is hard. Babies are hard, but she loves it. He has to provide for all those kids and her. That's alot. She doesn't have sympathy for that side of the issue.

[@jessm2560]

Yes! totally agree that she finds her identity through motherhood. She's going to have a real hard time when all her children leave the house.

[@nitoloma6554]

​@jessm2560 her identity isn't motherhood. It's control. She wants to stay at home to control the house, she wants more kid because the kids have to listen. She has issues her husband made a choice WITH HIS BODY, because he didn't do what she said.

[@patriciaalbertson5183]

And bringing more kids into a troubled marriage... Swell

[@TheYazmanian]

I was just about to say that I bet she's a stay at home mom and never feels the pressure of having to actually feed these 6 mouths and therefore has no thought process as to how it will affect him if she created more financial burden for him.

[@DsChelI]

That first call is why I want to call in…. He’s so real, I love that he doesn’t just tell callers what they want to hear. Tough love.

[@jimv77]

Having two kids were mentally and financially stressful already. Can't imagine with 6+ kids. I was the parent working full time *and* dropping each kid off at separate daycare then babysitter THEN ALSO picking them up before 6:00pm (my wife worked earlier and longer hours than me). I would not want to experience that again.... Now I have two driving teenagers in college......whoa baby..... can't wait for them to be finally launched.....

[@debbieanderson6740]

I'll go another direction. Holding the resentment for your husband is going to rub off on your 6 kids. Instead of thinking about what won't happen. Concentrate on what you have.

[@irisquinones1275]

because that was the ONE thing he had control over----his body

[@jennyberger6688]

1000% she puts her kids above him every day

[@maiaheiss2991]

@@jennyberger6688Maybe, but maybe not even her kids. They may be consigned to fulfilling her fantasy life too. 🤷‍♀️

[@kellibuzzard9431]

The irony is that this is typically a woman's problem, feeling like she does have control of her body.

[@joannawert3095]

I have seven (grown) kids and I can't agree with John more.

[@pattimartin859]

I am a single mother of 3. Not any help from their dad. She needs a reality check. The huge financial burden of 3 kids , much less 6 is tremendous. He is feeling the monetary stress and she hasn't picked up on that.. I get the impression she doesn't work outside the home. Ellie needs to stop, think, take a breath and consider the alternative.

[@debbielockhart7762]

She has serious issues. I geel tremendously sorry for her husband.

[@blueseptember2174]

6 kids is a blessing. But realistically he reached his personal limit. You gotta respect that. Its not like he did it before you had any kids or even after 2. A vasectomy gives him peace. Family planning is not it. Ask me how i know 😅

[@grateful7420]

How do you know?

[@karaa7595]

6 kids is not a blessing for some people. Sorry but God gives us the free will to choose to bring kids into our lives to raise. So many siblings in a big family don't get the attention and personal care they truly need because there are too many kids for mom and dad to care for. I see it all the time. One kid ends up with poor health. Or none of them can get the orthodontic care they need and it affects them as adults. One or two of them have to grow up too quick and don't want a family of their own as adults. We don't live in Bible days anymore. Jobs take dads away for many hours a day. The job force is highly competitive. Unemployment is on the rise. WAAAAY more stress on parents now vs then.

[@nikkita1688]

The only people who are for family planning haven't had the accident baby yet.

[@erichchan3]

@@karaa7595 She did admit on the call that the 6th baby was a surprise baby and that they were already having financial difficulties. I mean unless her husband is a successful hedge fund manager and has a mansion, having a family of 8 is already tough financially and money does not grow on trees to potential provide for any more kids.. I am not sure how many more kids she had in her dream but 6 kids nowadays is not normal like it used to be given the cost of raising kids. From a man's point of view, the pressure to be the sole breadwinner for a family of 8 is already too much to bear because clearly she is a full time mother and not working which she should be to ensure the kids are raised properly. My guess is that if her husband was on the line he would say they he had this discussion with her and he probably suggested things as birth control/condoms but she wouldn't go for it because that would imply killing her dream of potential growing the family. She definitely has her own issues that she needs to work out in that her husband made a decision without following her way but more importantly she has to let go of that dream of future kids and be content that 6 kids is plenty enough and to give enough attention so that they don't feel neglected.

[@undecidedtoystore3003]

Dr. Delony handled the first call really well. Hope their family can recover and move past everything

[@Youdontneedtoknowmyname3-iu1vk]

You already have 6 kids that man is stressed its not just about you! Exactly what john said she didnt get her way and shes still saying Me Me Me. I doubt they are rich its a financial strain

[@kcourtney6826]

If the marriage is struggling having more kids by accident or intentional isn’t going to make it better. Kudos to Dr. Delony for keeping it real, she doesn’t want to be a single mom with 6 kids does she?

[@debbielockhart7762]

No way was it an accident. She's loony.

[@patriciaalbertson5183]

Apparently she does!

[@nelsomower2705]

So Elle, finances were an issue when you had kids #3 & 4, then you had 2 MORE and wonder why he closed up shop? Seems like he did the right thing and you're punishing him for ultimately taking care of the family now and for the future.

[@susanl4198]

Dr Deloney didn't tell Elle what she wanted to hear so she disengaged, giving him the silent treatment at the end. Now, thats some real insight on her part.

[@boxesbinslidsllc]

He didn't sneak around, they had a discussion and he made a decision that she's angry about. Feelings shouldn't drive you. In addition, you can always adopt. ❤️

[@mrsmuertabiotches]

His body, his rules. Sorry, I am on his side. You cannot force a man to have more kids. You already have 6.

[@_____tbrdgrl____3449]

Please don't raise the subject of adoption or pressure him to adopt when you know he absolutely positively doesn't want any more kids.

[@purelightapologetics4930]

@@mrsmuertabiotchesThey’re married. Their bodies belong to each other. Unless you think it’s okay for wives to let themselves go. Is it also okay for her to tattoo her body to look like a lizard without his permission? How far do you wanna take this? There are so many double standards from men these days.

[@srobertson422]

"You could always adopt" 😂 like it's free and easy to do.

[@italkgory99]

@@purelightapologetics4930he’s given her more than enough. It’s her turn to meet him halfway

[@madamebovarycro]

Elle you do not want to be divorced with 6 kids.

[@kellyshumbleabode1695]

I resented my husband for wanting to move from the ranch we lived on and change his career that would take us to the city. We argued like that... Me:"You're not thinking about my dreams!" Him:"Well, you're not thinking of mine!". I knew this would go on forever unless one of us would sacrifice our feelings. John's right, you've got to grieve the loss of your dream, and pray through it all! And stop thinking only about you. I have decided to trust the Lord with the outcome of my husbands decision. We moved to the city, and it's not been easy. But so much good is coming from it. I still don't fully understand why we're here, but the freedom in releasing my fears into God's hands is growing my faith and my love and respect for my husband.

[@karaa7595]

Sometimes the Lord uses the wife to hold her ground bc the husband has a dumb, impulsive, childish idea/goal. So many people are moving OUT of cities for the life you had.

[@kellyshumbleabode1695]

@karaa7595 That is very true in a lot of situations. But there is more to the story, I just gave a very shortened version. God needs his people to be in the cities too. I did hold my ground for a long time, and I believe if we were meant to stay, we would've stayed. The main thing is that I prayed about it and felt like I needed to release my desires to God. It hasn't been easy, and I still have moments when I wish we were back at the ranch. But my marriage is doing so much better, and we are starting to talk and plan about moving back to the mountains again soon.

[@sarahalderman3126]

Which is all good and well until 15 year’s later and you learn the reason he insisted you move was to he closer to his girlfriend…

[@kellyshumbleabode1695]

@@sarahalderman3126 Oh wow! Did that happen to you?

[@sarahalderman3126]

@@kellyshumbleabode1695 different scenario but same result, along with the majority of women unfortunately. Hope things turn out differently for you though.

[@tmi4507]

Is Elle serious? 6 kids and you’re not done? Especially if he was already talking about it I mean after a point he’s done and you must respect his wants.

[@DebbieBennett-p5v]

I'm glad John said all those things that he did. She has NO time obviously for her husband even BEFORE there were 6. She said that he said he wasn't get what he needed like at baby 3. Good for him making choices for HIS body. I am responsible for my body and wouldn't want a husband telling me how many children I was having. And after 6 kids what shape is her body in...inside and out. She sounds controlling and if he leaves then oh well

[@michellelee487]

She talks about her feelings. What about her husband’s feelings. She disregards them. Good for him taking control and not having a kid he doesn’t want.

[@graceniehaus]

I really want to sympathize with her bc I understand a dream of a large family, I have the same dream but 6 is a BIG family & a HUGE blessing.. Husband & I are over here struggling to have just one.... I'd be ecstatic with just one so 6 is like holy cow, hard to feel sympathic for her bc it does seem that her feelings are the only thing that matter to her outside of being a mom.. I think John got through to her in some ways tho so hopefully it can be turned around to a happy family of 8 & not a broken family of 8.... I want everyone to have happy families not broken ones bc in the end what's the point of the big family yall have built if it's then destroyed by your own hand/feelings.

[@DebbieBennett-p5v]

@@graceniehaus I have a friend you had the eggs implanted several times and nothing took so they hired a surrogate. Expensive but baby do at first of the year. But I would go to a naturopath. God bless you and show you how to accomplish your dreams

[@sarahalderman3126]

As does he…

[@alexnightray3204]

His body, his choice. It's all about what she wants and she repeatedly shut him down after he stated that he wanted a vasectomy. Having 6 kids ID expensive. If she is a stay at home mom and he is the only source of income, he may have to work long hours, which eventually will take a toll on a person physically, emotionally and mentally. Also, how much time would he have to bond with the children?

[@shecaptain3444]

I would have thanked my husband for doing that. We did have 6 kids and were financially strapped.

[@sarahb1740]

Elle’s entire identity is her kids. That’s why she wants so many. She should focus on herself - those kids are eventually all going to be out of the house no matter how many she has. Her husband might be close behind if he doesn’t leave before that.

[@erikhuisman2487]

I dont care who you are, if your partner isnt 100% in on having more kids, you don't hwve more kids.

[@lorenjones7222]

What if I have 4 from a previous marriage and don’t want more but my second/present wife never had kids and wants one. We tried IVF with donor sperm because I had a vasectomy. All her eggs produced embryos with fatal trisomies. So I took that as a closed door. I’m not 100% in at all but she wants to get a donated embryo and have a baby. Should I deny her desire? I’m 51 years old and she is 44

[@anhbarker]

​@lorenjones7222, did the two of you discuss kids before you got married?

[@mrsmuertabiotches]

His body, his rules. Totally on the man's side.

[@purelightapologetics4930]

They’re married. Their bodies belong to each other. Unless you think it’s okay for wives to let themselves go. Is it also okay for her to tattoo her body to look like a lizard without his permission? How far do you wanna take this? There are so many double standards from men these days.

[@JohnJillky]

​@@purelightapologetics4930their bodies most certainly do not belong to each other. However, they ought to discuss important decisions being made around their bodies, particularly if they affect each other and their family. But a person's body is always their own. What someone else does with the results comes afterwards

[@Wallbank888]

This isn't Jerry Springer or AITA on reddit. It's not about who's right and who's wrong. It's about moving forward after conflict.

[@jackie8357]

She doesn't seem very empathetic or reasonable- she doesn't consider the cost financially or time and energy for her other children. Too wrapped up in one identity for herself - it sounds super selfish - finances were hard at 3 kids so then have another 3? What is she thinking

[@ArkansasDeerChaser]

He did y’all a favor! Six kids Jesus Christ! He made a smart move, after six your kids have to start raising each other.

[@marisolpooh1]

Is Elle freaking serious 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮 I barely was able to have 2 kids, they are my biggest blessing! Wish god would’ve gave me at least one more ! Selfish woman! Glad he had the surgery done !

[@MisterNightfish]

Elle sounds like a bit of a nightmare. You can tell that she's been bulldozing all over her husband and he very likely just did what he did as a last resort. Especially once we get to the point where they are already struggling financially with 6 kids (WHO WOULDN'T?!?!) and she wants even more? Nevermind the fact that that's already an insane amount of children, if you can't afford them anymore, STOP. But yet, she either has to get her way or she'll make everyone miserable.

[@shehnazahmad5213]

Exactly my thought. I was what the hell😂 she cannot be serious. Yooooo

[@jackie8357]

My thoughts exactly- she sounds awful honestly

[@silksatinsilver1]

It’s really no one else’s business how many children a married couple decided to have as long as they decide together on whether to add another one (& don’t use taxpayers money). Most Americans have huge homes that they can’t afford due to all the big toys they MUST have to impress people who don’t even care about them…so they have huge homes full of trash, but empty of real humans…all because they worry about comments like the ones towards this husband and wife

[@Will-ef2tw]

​@silksatinsilver1 having a million kids running amuck in poverty isint a win either.

[@erin6083]

Watching the clip of the band thing: seeing y’all just have fun like that was so adorable! It’s wonderful to see grown people having a true blast like that! Thats how you know you’re doing life right. Good job. 👏

[@nikkita1688]

I wish my husband would just get a vasectomy already. I'm so done. So done putting hormones into my body to make sure we don't have kids. Its the least he could do.

[@bufficliff8978]

Stop taking hormones and tell him to pull out.

[@Will-ef2tw]

​@@bufficliff8978exactly I was thinking the same thing they don't pull out? Wtf?

[@lorenjones7222]

Pulling out, as I’m sure you’re aware is not at all effective. Also very crippling of the moment of intimacy.

[@nathansimpson5721]

Elle sounds awful to be married to. She's mad her husband got a vasectomy after having 6 KIDS???? I'm shocked he didn't get one after the 3rd or 4th kid. I feel bad for the husband, his wife feels entitled to make decisions about his body. Whether you are a man or a woman, you shouldn't have complete control over your spouses bodily autonomy (unless medically required).

[@braddossdfinc9722]

His body his choice, hate to break that to you

[@Cyblps]

The caller is irresponsible for wanting more kids when her marriage is damaged by financial stress, interpersonal relationship with her husband, etc. I don’t understand how parents can have kids without thinking about financial responsibility of getting braces, professional mental health support, or even college. Her marriage is in deep trouble but she wants to bring another human being into her world. That is negligent. She needs to seek professional help for need to have more children. What if she becomes a single parent? How will she support her kids? I only ask because I became a single parent after my husband died unexpectedly two years ago. Fortunately, he left us a financial safety net for us. I would have been devastated without the financial support. I was able to provide a stability in our living and maintaining our lifestyle because my husband made good financial choices. Providing financial stability is parental responsibility.

[@mybdayis420]

this woman is greedy jeez does she have any idea how much pressure that is to financially provide for a family of 8? My guess would be she is clueless.

[@karaa7595]

She sounds like she's 12.

[@john1425]

God help Ellies husband. No telling what shes put him through.

[@debbielockhart7762]

My heart goes out to him.

[@show_me_your_kitties]

For real

[@unbothered6357]

Oops 😮❓

[@pn8326]

How about you build an identity outside of popping out more kids? There is so much more to life than having more

[@sjordan7085]

Oh, you are so polite! Surely, one or two children at most, should be the limit. Why would any sane person need that many especially considering how many need families to adopt them? Total insanity considering the world population does not need any more breeders, period!

[@fdoeppen]

Wow, she says finances were a challenge and gets mad at the husband for not wanting to have more kids? She is not listening to him!

[@michelekoupai]

@The Dr. John Delony Show I really liked the way you handled this show. Good job!

[@lrhodes9612]

This episode is speaking to my soul. Thank you Dr. John.

[@tigerofcopenhagen2225]

Elle's a baby machine...with no inkling on the economic realities and responsibilities that go along with raising children. SIX kids in these times. Wow.

[@All_forthelove]

Right?! Just basics like clothes, shoes and food for 8 people (all kids, wife and himself) is just scary 😦 and he can’t even leave without financial ruin (child support for 6 kids and alimony )

[@Will-ef2tw]

​@All_forthelove shees going to loose big time too who tf wants to date a single mother of 6 kids and I'm willing to wager she's no swimsuit model at this point. No one wins I'd they break up

[@John-du2mq]

Stop trying to use kids as a bandaid for your marriage. Kids suffer because of that and totally feel it.

[@PCKA1987]

Drake sounds like an amazing guy. Wishing you the best, Drake. 🙏

[@cindy03709]

I don’t get it was she only having intercourse with him for the kids? Cz like that’s a sad way to live

[@sc-ds7hx]

6 kids is totally enough. She needs a vision for a life for after kids.

[@karaa7595]

And take full care of the ones she already has and that doesn't end at age 18.

[@ModdyPuppets]

I don’t think she wants kids. She has kids. She wants babies

[@videofan1010]

6 children is 4 too many...

[@kellyeverett]

She’s got some serious psychological issues-wanting more than six kids despite financial issues and conflict with her husband . She needs help

[@redbougainvillea]

Bingo

[@patriciaalbertson5183]

That's for sure. Gadzooks

[@benascg-ll7sq]

Or, at least, the husband needs a vasectomy

[@audjusushi]

Sometimes when people have marital problems they just keep having kids so both parents have to enter the early infant survival stage and work together. Then the kid gets to be about 3 or 4 and they have another one.

[@isabelcorrea8432]

She wants to control him with those kids thats why she keeps having more, she sounds like a nightmare too, like a brat that throws a tantrum when she doesnt get her way

[@charmainepriestman915]

This podcast is exceptional thank you !

[@santafilipina9020]

Why is the 6 kids not enough? It's not as if she didn't get her way. Is this some sort of psychopathy where Elle only derives happines when she's pregnant but once she delivers the baby it's no longer a source of contentment??? What is happening? I honestly can't understand this situation. The husband definitly is just a sperm donor.

[@shadeekamendez1743]

Very awesome handling of the first call John

[@thedavesiknow4598]

She literally had her husband by the ballz. Glad he took them back.

[@Star_07835]

😂

[@territ1231]

He's done... overwhelmed, He's scared you want more kids.... Tell him face to face you love him and forgive him. And carry on from here. She got what she wanted...kids...and he was just a doner!!

[@oritreuben2184]

I love listening to this show. Dr Delony, have you looked into PBSp training? Talk therapy is good at analysis but not at healing. I really recommend this method.

[@lisajeter9511]

Finances is a #1 reason not to have more children!

[@lisajeter9511]

I don’t think Mom has the right to say I’m not ready to stop trying.

[@nrg1123]

John's eyes bugging out at 6:50 from hearing "6 kids" 😂

[@memories-in-memphis]

Did they edit that out? It seems like the camera changes right there. I think he knew right there why the guy got a vasectomy.

[@seminole111]

I don't recall hearing that Elle has a job to help support this significant size brood. Now come the replies that "being a stay at home mom IS a job." I get that. Absolutely 100% agree it is. So....with that in mind, it places 100% of the financial pressure on the poor guy who tied his tubes to slow down the rate of decent of their expenses. Why not go for another 20 and pursue a TLC contract for their own television series? She's a self-admitted control freak who didn't have the opportunity to demand that he not tie his tubes and produce more expense inducers. God help that husband. Kudos to Dr. John for being so neutral and caring. I can't get past the six kids fact. Ridiculous. What kind of a sex life or even energy to HAVE a sex life exists with SIX KIDS?? Wow. Just wow.

[@Wallbank888]

To be fair. The cost of childcare for six kids would be insane. She'd have to be an underwater demolitions specialist, to a nuclear engineer to cover the cost of day care and turn any kind of profit.

[@janicewright4007]

Y’all trippin. It’s not expensive having 6 kids. You don’t have a lame sex life if you’ve made 6 kids. The main thing here is you and your spouse have to be on board with how many kids you are willing to sacrifice and take care of.

[@dachater1]

Gosh John did well with this one. I can’t help but think he did it because he was feeling the financial burden of adding more to the family and I wanna say shucks lady you already have 6 kids. I m not justifying that he did this behind her back but perhaps her behavior perpetuated him having to do this.

[@hansendesigns]

ELLE’s problem is not her marriage, her problem is that she needs to find out why she needs so many kids. Especially when there’s financial and marital issues already. Geez

[@marjorieantoniou2836]

This was the best episode I have listened to from Dr. John out of 100s of episodes. This really resonated with me about conflict, control and resolution.

[@lisajeter9511]

Mom needs to get busy connecting with her husband before he gets connected with someone else.

[@jesssc402]

It’s one of those very few instances when I can say I cant blame the husband for doing something behind her back, well not entirely as he’s expressed it to her,but she just wouldn’t accept it.

[@TheBmonster1]

Hm lost my job had plans before it happened. Sitting on disability right now with no drive at lol perfect timing

[@hopemadonsela6906]

"WE have a terrible sex life, we have 6 kids" 😅 *speaks on the phone,kids can't stop crying*

[@moecare]

This episode is me. Thank you for sharing.

[@lisajeter9511]

There’s more to intimacy than just getting pregnant. He had to do it because he couldn’t trust you not to get pregnant intentionally.

[@joannaevans]

I just know Elle got off the phone and thought "this guy doesn't know what he's talking about". Because it didn't go her way, again. 😬

[@troisquarts3659]

John boy, you're lucky I respect you a lot, because I lost about 2 ounces of respect for you when I saw that band video. But you can make up for it with a cover of Man in Black.

[@michelekoupai]

i could not understand the woman with 6 six kids. Dude, chill out. Give your body a break. You have 6 children. Be grateful. Poor guy.

[@TheGomez1105]

If I had 6 kids I would probably do the same.

[@barbiesergio7663]

The million dollar question Elle is: What does he feel resentment about?? He never asked it. Although I don't think it matters, it was something big that she couldn't handle.

[@tinam761]

Elle you don’t get to choose what he does with his body. You all have discussed this before. As a parent and husband he is OVERWHELMED he can’t have MORE responsibilities added just because of what you want!! Elle … you are apparently controlling and utterly selfish. YOU want more kids??? How about asking the question… Would it be beneficial for EVERYONE in your family as it affects all of them, including your husband. Give your husband a freaking break???? You can’t just keep adding more responsibilities to HIS life because of what you want. STOP 🛑 having more kids. Take care of what you have. Take care of your marriage… you don’t respect him … at all. Elle RESPECT YOUR HUSBAND. He is a human being with needs too. Quit pilling on him.

[@AndiAlexander1]

Sounds to me like having kids is an addiction for this woman. Being a mom is great, but you can be a better mom with fewer kids. I suspect she has a history of not feeling able to accomplish anything, and then kids came along. And now the husband has taken away the source of her self-soothing.

[@danielleb1223]

That’s how you clear a room Dr. J

[@kjvacp]

Was Elle ever ACTUALLY attracted to her husband?? Or did she jump in bed every time with the thought of "maybe I'll get a kid out of this", with no desire for him at all

[@LisaPFrampton]

I was so Gothic punk when I was in my teens and early twenties. Reminds me of Kelly and John! 😂

[@SaystheTruth3]

Jesus! 6 kids ???? I was done right there! Lol Concentrate on making your marriage work & raising your kids correctly. This will last for years.

[@andreajenkins9402]

Thank you so much for this podcast! I love it! BTW, Drake is cool! :-)

[@Michelle-js5kh]

The bewilderment of young cashiers when I won’t give my phone number for a meager 40 cents off my purchase is happening more and more often.

[@MitelefonoRoman]

As a Clinical Counselor Elles control issues are intense. I feel sorry for her husband.

[@normantheforeman9866]

At least he’ll know the next kid she has isn’t his. “The more you know”🌈😂

[@All_forthelove]

😂

[@show_me_your_kitties]

😂😂

[@lt8281]

Okay so, how can we go see John in concert?!

[@flashthecorgi2053]

Ramsey battle of the bands- my weekly low on YT.

[@Mrs.LadeyBug]

I feel guilt so here’s the confession: When someone came to me for help/advice, I used the term “bricks” in reference to a difficult burden of emotional baggage and didn’t provide a Dr. John reference. 😞 I used to do editing for university/doctoral students and the importance of giving a nod to the original source is engrained in me. How do we do that in the middle of a really intense conversation? Do I go back now, find the person, and say “Remember the brick thing? Part of that was from Dr. Deloney and the rest was in the Bible.” It just came out because I’ve internalized it and am used to thinking about it in my own life for a while now. Some of you will think I’m overthinking, but for me, once I realized I’d used the term, I feel like I plagiarized. Would any of you use the term without referring to Dr. John? I have passed along his KZbin channel in opportune moments, of course!

[@nikkita1688]

Yes. He didn't invent the metaphor.

[@karenholloway3940]

As a mother, it seems like the most important thing/hurt is not. She didn’t get her way… It’s that she will never again get to give birth/have another baby. She wasn’t ready to let go of that. I can totally see this being devastating. six kids is a lot. But I don’t think this is a matter of her being spoiled.

[@erichchan3]

It doesn't really matter what she wants if they are already having marital problems outside of the kids (ex: financial troubles after the 3rd/4th kid, bedroom issues, normal fights). Since you are a mother, do you think it is more important to continue having children where the husband cannot support financially because clearly she can't be working even part time taking care of 6 kids? I think the sad part is that she has not given one thought about what effects this has on her 6 children. She keeps blaming her husband as if he is the only source of the problem in their marriage when clearly she said she is a control freak and has not even considered her husband's feelings and stress it takes to already feed a family of 8. The thought of the husband to think of needing to feed a family of 10 or 11 is just too much for him. If she cares at all about her marriage, she needs to focus on healing the marriage and worrying about her 6 kids and give them all the appropriate attention needed as they grow older than to continue is insane dream of having another 2-3 kids.

[@LisaPFrampton]

I LOVE Hot Topic!!! Got my favorite things from the store ever 😂😂

[@vivianworden]

This woman can't see the needs of these kids for the future. She'll probably ignore her older children or task them with chores so they get recruited in supporting the moms wishes which is to keep the supply of babies coming

[@shaquejones4119]

Everyone look like they had fun including Doc

[@PoetryOf]

If finances were a challenge after kid 3 and life was even more chaotic…why have more kids?? 😳. Why are you not content enough with 6 kids? I grew up with 5 brothers and sisters and although I wouldn’t change that…I LONGED to have less people in the house. I LONGED for just two other siblings. So I truly have a had time understanding why 6 kids isn’t enough-you’re not taking into account the feelings of your husband but also the feelings of your kids(do they even want more siblings?!?!). So frustrating!

[@babydollkincaid4584]

You got six kids!!😮 he's done Lady.

[@amysimpson3194]

Hot topic? My daughter loves that store and I gotta say, it isn’t cheap.

[@sharkman027]

Release the battle of the bands, I want to see Delony shred.

[@flashthecorgi2053]

It’s on YT Ramsey battle of the bands-my weekly low

[@EnfinLibreNM]

At the beginning of the call, she mentioned she's having problems with having sex with him. It seems like she's only allowing sex in order to have more children. Good grief. She's withholding sex from him and that's just mean. I'm wondering if there's some kind of religious belief that makes her want more than six children. She just needs to fall in love with him again rather than seeing him as just a sperm bank.

[@Unschoolingunparenting]

The guy who got the vasectomy and his wife was mad It's his body he can do what he wants and if you don't like it leave Your disrespecting his body I stand with the husband

[@kathigratton2286]

I agree you should be able to do whatever you want with your own body. It’s just crazy how that they can do that as a male, but a female can’t without having consent at least that’s what I’ve seen with a couple of friends of mine. But I get it it’s a lot of responsibility and I get it he didn’t want anymore and he didn’t want another accident .

[@CaliCoast805_lovin_life]

Just fyi. I can imagine the husband is plenty old enough and had 6 children. The Dr's were not at all concerned about his choice. I believe dr's, just want to make sure you are not going to regret your decision. I have respect for people who make responsible choices and are proactive in choosing birth control. Bless that family! What a wonderful family they have created!

[@yesterdayseyes]

Poor Elle's husband, what a B

[@albs1448]

That was not nice calling her a B, how about using your real words, call her selfish or controlling because that's what she has been doing and don't have any empathy for her husband's well being.

[@starstoryteller]

I think it's crazy a guy can get a vasectomy but God help you as a woman if you want tubes tied or hysterectomy the doctors will actually insist on your husband being involved. On the doctor's end it should be equal. Either nobody knows or everybody has to be on board.

[@BubbaSnipe03]

I don’t round up because that’s the way they can make their money back from them already donating

[@kytsunman8592]

Woman you got 6 kids... give the guy a break damn

[@kathigratton2286]

But yet as a woman, if you go into the hospital to get your tubes tied, you have to have your husband’s consent. How is that even possible that he can go do that without your consent? See how the world runs sadly

[@marissa7459]

WRONG A husband's consent is not required for a wife to have her tubes tied. Federal law protects a patient's right to sterilization procedures without requiring male consent.

[@Cardinal15]

It’s his body lady, you have no say so.

[@0ptixs]

I am constantly disappointed in these comments... guys it is not our job to judge whether these callers are good, bad, in the wrong, wronged by others or anything else. Our only job is to give support and love to these callers. Because these callers are us. And if you called in with your baggage you wouldn't want someone to judge you, you'd want their empathy.

[@erichchan3]

I think it is perfectly fine for people to voice different opinions on the phone calls that they hear. It shouldn't be a place where there is only 1 opinion. I think there are certain lines that shouldn't be cross but I don't think anyone is saying anything over the line. Also if the callers do read the comments which I think most don't, they would need a reality check. I think the comments section is showing love and support in that the husband's decision to cut it off does not make him the bad guy. It is easy to fall victim to feel only sorry for the caller when the other person who is not on the phone also needs love, support and compassion.

[@glai5752]

I cringed at Elle’s demand. Part of being a responsible and loving parent and partner is the ability to plan together with your spouse on issues like this. She doesn’t get to decide alone on when or how many children to have especially when she said it herself that at 3&4 kids they were having financial hardship. There’s something psychologically wrong with this person. She shows no empathy, no good common sense, and a tremendous amount of recklessness. This situation will not end well

[@marijaabromaityte9951]

Thank you for the podcasts! There is always something to take away from them. Very grateful🙏