How Does Control Compare To Movement? | Outcome Vs Progression | CS Joseph

[@mikhailfilipas7661]

This is one of those ultra rare channels: hidden (many weird ones around) yet incredibly useful and masterful in teaching. INTJ here, reporting in to express gratitude after finally understanding my type at a pace I have never experienced before and on a way to some seriously explosive personal growth. Knowing and applying this will be my superpower.

[@raven5347]

Michael Filipas agreed!!!

[@yippeekiyay9219]

Agreed this is a great channel, repect to the author. Can you recommend any other KZbin channels which are similarly interesting and useful?

[@coolbeatguy]

@@yippeekiyay9219 Leaving a . here

[@bfmanion]

Totally agree. A gem. I am both movement and control...split personality...🤯

[@isaiahsmith7026]

Exactly infj here

[@HobDobson]

(Fast, Cheap, Good) One of my better bosses told me: "Isn't it amazing how there's always enough time to do the job right the second time?"

[@CSJoseph]

haha good point

[@knotlock]

I can’t wait until the future when they use type in school.

[@aaronsullivan8230]

Wishful thinking, current American climate couldn't make it work with the elementary schools trying to integrate politics

[@TheLooselois]

I think most schools around the world wouldn’t bother. Too many idiots who don’t give a shit about anything except their social status in charge. Jmo

[@themememan2738]

I worry that it would be misused if it were implemented

[@kan8602]

@@aaronsullivan8230 politics are important as well

[@alexandralenzinger8482]

BLΛCK SΛMPLE well all be dead. Theyd rather teach kids to think they can be different genders than to learn different personality types

[@amandagraves3024]

As an INFP (thank you for helping me to know for certain.) This NEEDS to be a thing, as in everyone should be educated on who people are to deal with them for more peace and harmony in this world. Love, Love, Love this video by the way!

[@CSJoseph]

you are most welcome

[@jilmil33]

I think like that as well, iam INFP

[@Ghost-bg9zf]

I disagree

[@thebethgriffith7027]

So fascinating. I always thought I was a starter because I had so many ideas... Yet now I realize I never start them unless I finish them.

[@ho8464]

I am an INFJ. You are spot on about us being the last to learn to drive.

[@VilkanVisions]

I'm 34 and just started to learn :D

[@14xx07]

I’m 25 and have been telling people there no hurry to learn to drive and there’s other things to focus on and etc. 😂😂

[@SantanaBanana47]

Ne inferior probably struggles too. Fear of doing things they have never done before. Ne inferiors often get stuck in comfort zone

[@susmateja]

infj almost 33, still no drivers license, in my mind it's the last thing in terms of importance, even though that's not true practically speaking 😅

[@lizzywhite4231]

You can tell that I'm a movement type just by the fact I sped up your video to 1.5 lol

[@CSJoseph]

lol yes

[@0halibut0]

I almost always skip to 5 minutes in, cuz you know....tangents and stuff. LOL

[@Gailsla10]

I do this all the time haha!

[@mbw6785]

I also.

[@Teddy-iv2sc]

Legit

[@nebur9180]

Personality typing should be getting mainstream and used in schools. However, with it being secret knowledge, we can benefit from it more ourselves.

[@elisabethschlarb3059]

Lol unhealthy interest-based idea there? 🤔 (healthy interest based would be finding a win-win, everyone needs this!)

[@DimashCastellucci]

Are you an ENFP ? Just curious

[@nebur9180]

@@DimashCastellucci entp pretty sure

[@DimashCastellucci]

@@nebur9180 ok thanks.

[@amalksuresh2538]

No,it's still a psuedoscience

[@NB-qy7ku]

1:16 "in charge of structure type" - direct, initiating, control type "Get things going or starter types" - Finisher types 1:58 background types - informative, responding, control. 7:43 chart the course type - direct, responding, movement.. they are a finisher type 10:18 Control type Entj can go speed racer fast 10:55 control type - need order 12:30 types in relationship 13:40 ideal relationships 13:46 intuitives: ENTJ-INTP ENTP-INTJ 13:52 NF: 13:55 ENFJ + INFP INFJ + ENFP Movement movement control control 14:04 sensors: 14:40 ESTP + ISTJ 16:08 16:30 Control types especially ESTJ and ENTJ - orderly 16:50 they need order 17:01 need relationship that respects their need for order 17:18 example ENTJ goes speed racer to get it 29:05 29:10 Control representatives in charge types and background types

[@joshua5946]

Thank you so much dude!

[@gabe-b7r]

I'm a movement because I never watched his videos I just go directly at the comments to gather info lol

[@nootclaymore5094]

whitegoat ' same

[@Sund3v3]

Love how in detail you go with the material. But boy do I feel itchy at the lack of structure!

[@MusicalInquisit]

During school, I often just fast-walk to get to my classes instead of just talking with friends (if I had any) or just walking. Many times, people (mostly teachers) notice me fast-walking to class, and they ask, "What is with the rush, kid?" I found that a funny anecdote to tell.

[@hanjodurandt2270]

While I was in high school my roommate in the hostel was an ENTJ and he and I actually had a conversation about this, how he feels like he couldn't work or study in his room if it was disorganized or chaotic. Also I want to thank you for all the amazing content you're bringing. I really enjoy your channel. I studied MBTI from my early high school years as a hobby, but this is the first real info I found on the other parts of the mind that is not the ego. I really enjoy listening to you. I've been binge watching your videos all weekend (while I'm supposed to be studying :) ).

[@Gailsla10]

Yeah i rush to school just to sit in the parking lot and mentally prepare myself to go inside 😅

[@isaiahsmith7026]

Omg I’m not the only one

[@mamu7976]

Just binged watched season 15. This is an awesome amount of content you have produced. I am really surprised at the arrogance and vindictiveness of your KZbin critics (Eric Strauss, Meghan LeVota, Flow state etc) who question your ability to type. Particularly when they are not as skilled and not as transparent as you are, in showing their methods. You are a true expert in your field. Also, I am particularly impressed that you can work on despite the barking dogs in this video, as my Se inferior, is really triggered by that! Keep up the good work- you are certainly the Number 1 KZbinr on this subject.

[@CSJoseph]

much appreciated

[@sydneychuke1881]

The thing about INJs learning how to drive last or not at all amazes me, cause I learnt how to drive at the age of 12. Nice video btw

[@SJaye-zv9er]

I learned at 19 and had to hire an instructor to do it. Is it because we aren't great at starting? If so, it's also true for ISTs.

[@VilkanVisions]

I"m 34 and I just started to learning :D

[@erozionzeall6371]

Its because of the Se inf.

[@PsiCorps85]

Though I think I'm an INTJ, I sadly relate more to control than movement. However, by your test for eating meals I tend to inhale food unfortunately, both under stress and because of having worked in crappy places with only 10 minute breaks along with nosey coworkers which want to interrupt anything I do to gossip endlessly. I tend to hate chaos, though I do work faster when I have to battle chaos to make order. I prefer not to have stress from chaos, but it does make it easier to work in a sense because it's easier to see what needs to be done; while everything is in order, I tend to get lazier... because it feels like there isn't so much for me to do then. I mostly relate to your INTJ description, just it doesn't seem so on this matter.

[@CSJoseph]

So you drive like a Grandpa?

[@PsiCorps85]

@@CSJoseph I've never had both time and money to get around to getting a license, yet. However, I used to ride a bike fairly fast, but it seems like I start daydreaming while traveling and space out for just long enough to find myself on the ground with gravel in my limbs.

[@skazz0r]

@@CSJoseph Can you do a video with road-facing dashcam so that the audience can see how a driver is movement vs. control?

[@tasneemali4892]

I'm the same way, I dislike chaos and prefer order. If their was the option I would say I am direct, responding, control, but that doesn't exist.

[@tasneemali4892]

@@legendzfall Thanks for the reply. I just started digging into personality as well. I am finding it fascinating. What do you mean by being an agent of chaos? How does a movement type introduce chaos inorder to create progress? As a side note the more I read the more I am realzing that I am probably a structure type ENTJ rather then a finisher INTJ. The extroversion part is what was tripping me up. I looked more into Chase's explantions on innitiating vs responding and that made things a lot clearer.

[@Coneman3]

As an INFJ I find ENTPs one of the easiest to guess, even after a brief interaction. Is INFJs are probably the best at guessing type. Usually initial hunches are most accurate. ENTPs have a clarity and dexterity of thought. Humorous and dynamic, can talk a lot. Cool intensity. Original minds, good socially. Have an agenda but kind of hide it.

[@susmateja]

infj here, I would agree with the first hunch being the best mostly, every time I want to type someone systematically, it ends up wrong, while not even thinking about it is usually accurate. I wish I knew more ENTPs, have to go look for them 😄

[@Coneman3]

ENTP eyes flit around a lot, like their minds.

[@akaboo69]

I'm control but I'm not organized. What I do to not have chaos is I am a minimalist. I dont own much. My room stays clean because I dont have much. I do work slow because I focus on details. My bosses over the years have griped at me for working slow

[@sarahamin10]

Control = Outcome Focused = Take Their Time = Understand The Triple Constraints: Time, Budget, Specifications 👌👍

[@luz3424]

This deserves more views

[@shelbynicholson4811]

60 Minutes did a feature on an Israeli conductor, who formed a symphony orchestra using music students from Palestine, Israel, Iran, and Syria, all of them political enemies... The interviewer from 60 Minutes accused the man of liking controversy, but the man, probably an ENTP/INTP 'movement' type, said he was just doing what he felt was right, which was an Israeli with compassion for Palestine. So he brought these so-called enemies together to prove that he could create order out of chaos. They performed beautifully together, enough that 60 Minutes did a story on them, showing the world that they are enemies by environment but not by nature

[@CSJoseph]

Well said! This is an excellent comment.

[@meadowbelle]

Except INTP is a control type, not movement. I could definitely see an ENTP pulling off something like this, however.

[@maylynbayani]

I know my husband is the control type with the way he drives. He still drives like he's doing the practical driving test and has something to prove. Still reads the manual "recreationally". Also, nothing frustrate him more than someone trying to hurry him up. He takes his time. His favorite saying is : life is not a race, it's a marathon. Mine is "haste makes waste". Yes, we are both control types. I think it was one of our major points of attraction. Estj wife of an isfj husband.

[@fatimanuela]

My ISFJ husband and I(NFJ) do have 'rhythm' and 'melody' engraved on the insides of our wedding rings. Back then it was just a feeling about what our individual contributions to the relationship are. ❤️

[@FrenchCelt]

While I don't necessarily enjoy chaos, I know how to navigate through a chaotic situation and find opportunities to improve my lot. Chaos can be fun because I like to watch people freak out while I'm already seeing my way through it. And I really like to do everything quickly. I almost always finish my food before everyone else when we go out to dinner. I don't like to tarry. When I go to amusement parks, I'm trying to get to all the rides as quickly as possible and planning the most efficient route to maximize enjoyment, as silly as that may sound to those who can't relate.

[@CSJoseph]

Joseph French yeah I don’t tarry either

[@supertouk]

This definitely makes me a movement type as I do NOT like stagnation, yet at the same time I like some order. As I learn about myself I am a contradiction. Using the food analogy I am usually the first one done eating in my house. Usually before anyone else really gets started.

[@mauraliller6]

ISTJ, same here. I also hate it when others are rushing me, but then I'm often rushing myself even when I don't need to.

[@outrageousmermaid9073]

The thought of sitting in traffic unhinges me! The long way is always better! LOL Great lecture C.S. Joseph!

[@arande3]

Was talking to a friend who is triple movement and comparing it to how I'm control. If I understand correctly, movement types can start and stop on a dime without a whole lot of Need for knowing what exactly it is they're trying to do, whereas control types have a hard time stopping and starting and once they do start, they tend to need to keep going to stay focused. Not sure if this is correct, but I will do some cross-referencing of types and their behaviors to see if this matches up

[@happycakes1946]

That mustang pulled up like, "boy what you doing in my cul de sac."

[@dr.hebagadallahclinicalpha9871]

My aunt (ENFJ) can't imagine how easy it is to provide good counselling for others, when I have a problem, that I can't solve quick enough for here . As an INFJ this problem is the very cause of my growth and learning. This growth and learning is the motivation for me to express my self and the solutions for others , when asked. MY mind orders the big picture quickly ,I think this is my Ni in action . But having a little to medium chaos is fun. I prefer this chaos over stagnation. Let things move, even in the wrong direction. We can course correct later. For me as a movemt types that tend to finish projects, this an interesting adventurous mental challenge that I love. Most control people don't get that.

[@profilename1337]

I find that highway exit example really accurate, I tend to take really dumb routes going places to avoid traffic and people in my way, I even do that inside the grocery store.

[@zile8869]

After rewatching your 3 interaction style videos, I seem pretty ENTJ'ish, rather than INTJ'ish... You said in the introduction video to season 15 that it seems to be easier for people to identify interaction styles but not so easy to identify temperaments... I think it's the opposite for me. I'm pretty damn sure that I am pragmatic, systematic and abstract, but I cant tell for the love of lemonade which interaction style I fall into! I really think that 'practise exercises' system that I mentioned in my previous comment (direct vs informative video I think) will be useful tho. Not just to me, but to a lot of people within the community so if it wont take you too much time, I'd like to re-recommend it.

[@bluejjay]

This was the one dichotomy I was still unclear on, but the video clarified it greatly. The thing on who finishes their meals quickly is particularly, and surprisingly, accurate!

[@evilallensmithee]

For the love of communication! Name a term and define it, then you can use. When you use jargon then define it every video even if it is just a one sentence summary!

[@CSJoseph]

ill fix that

[@evilallensmithee]

C.S. Joseph, thank you, very much. You have some interesting insights, but to paraphrase Stan Lee, every vid could be someone’s first, and not everyone is going to have the time or patience to go through your old vids. I did, but I am glad others who can’t or won’t, will have a chance to better understand.

[@evilallensmithee]

I have seen a more recent vid, and I see more info, whether is just him learning or a response, they are better, and I highly recommend them

[@MlCKERS]

@@CSJoseph it could be someones first or someones 10th. For the latter it is tiresome hearing the same things. For the former its frustrating having terms undefined. Structure to suit your purpose.

[@Shadow77999]

Yea he should give much more examples about alot of the abstract stuff he talks about

[@plusultra6094]

The freeway is a excellent example !

[@leavemealone2006]

Thanks again! I am definitely a responding type and quite sure that I'm a directing type (though sometimes I find myself giving "informing" style directions when I feel it's appropriate). However, I am actually a pretty slow person (when I'm not driving). I think this is because I'm often deep in thought. Also I eat slow because 1) I want to savor the food, or 2) because I'm focused on something else and the food becomes more of a snack on the side to graze upon. I definitely feel troubled when things stay the same for too long. After about 6 months at a new job when I've gotten the job down, I start looking for another position or career direction. I obviously haven't begun working in an appropriate occupation for me yet (though physics tutoring was probably the closest). Again I really appreciate these videos. You give me a lot to think about.

[@CSJoseph]

you're welcome ^^

[@asialaplante1361]

This makes a ton of sense, really well explained. I dont think ENTPs are the hardest to type though, if anything, introverted intuitives are the hardest

[@toniaalderbashi4964]

I knew I was movement, but I needed to be sure and the examples started firing one after the other. I always gets comments on my fast eating, and I’m 20 and still haven’t gotten my driver’s license 😂😂 and oh my god the traffic example is very real to me and I never understood why I’d rather be in motion, in this case literal physical motion, rather than calmly wait if the result is gonna be similar or even if it’d be better by waiting. I just always had to do something to feel like I’m accomplishing stuff, never understood why, I still don’t but I can at least accept that it’s natural to me. These videos are absolutely awesome, insightful and easy to grasp!!

[@whowillyoucallonthen4292]

What I like most about your vids is demonstrated in this one quite well. That is, you give real life & practical examples of what you're talking about. In fact, out of every single mbti book & site (with Michael Pierce's videos being the exception.. Yes. I get that negates my "every single" statement. But, whatever.. Exceptions vs. Rules.. Story of my life..), yours is the 1st one I can real~life understand. Good stuff.

[@Leneah99]

I think nurture can greatly impact how we see ourselves and how we type ourselves. I believed I was a movement type for years. Our culture seems to value expediency, and I would set up my own processes to that end, to meet the demand for timely service. But, in every day life outside of work, I didn’t do this, I did things on “my time,” taking as long as I want to do things. I feel I have better control that way. I still approach tasks with a method, but the goal is accuracy, not speed. I prefer doing things right the first time, rather than doing things over because I was rushed and made mistakes in the initial attempt. If I go at a pace faster than I am comfortable, mistakes will be made, it’s a given. So everything needs a process or method applied, to be performed over and over until I become faster at doing it, through practice.

[@erinjk123]

Movement like walking? I usually finish dinner first because I don't talk much. lol I am usually slower with doing things, but am sometimes erratic. I enjoy the process more than the outcome. INFP

[@zeronegro11]

I am INTJ but i eat really slow.

[@CSJoseph]

very well said.

[@aflowerforophelia]

So.. im an ENFP and i know this becuase i test very extremely (65% E, 90% N, 78%F, and 85% P) and i resonate with this almost to a terrifying level. This video literally has made me understand so much about myself why i act the way i do. When you said "where there is no movement there is no life". I felt so intensely seen. For me if i ever feel trapped at a job becuase of bureaucracy or rules and i cant fix it i literally have panic attacks. Its actually why im going to be self employed starting this next week. This also helped me understand why i feel like some of my freindships are failing even though my freinds seem like everything is fine. If i dont hear from them or they havent talked to me i feel like the relationshio has gone bad but its just me trying to keep things moving. Im around a LOT of control people and they all just dont understand why i literally feel like death if things dont have variety. Im lucky to have married a control style personality who actually thinks my movement is endearing and good. I just feel so seen in a way i havent in a long time. Thank you for your work on this.

[@argent-kestrel90]

I often made decisions way too quickly when I was young, slowing down was beaten into me at school. These days I have gotten more cautious of making fast decisions based on the situation despite wanting to act quickly. I still find it hard to linger anywhere. The very long Lockdowns in Melbourne, Australia drove me crazy as we weren't allowed to work. The stagnation was hell. A situation I found hard to decide was my new direction in life, I was a draftsman for years and got bored with it, I was looking for a new career that matches my thinking style with concrete thinking and some physical activity. I finally decided to pursue a career as an electrician. I do have trust issues with authority figures due to my former employer ripping me off and betraying me. I'm an effective driver with fast reflexes too. I do eat slowly due to having a dental cap thats somewhat fragile so I have to eat carefully. - ISTP

[@SJaye-zv9er]

Reading the comments is always interesting. The ones about you defining your terms and then using them consistently reminded me of conversations with my ex-husband, both of us INTJs. Sometimes he talked so intensely and fast that he sort of blurred the definitions of words as he went. I'd get confused and stop him for clarification, which ticked him off. I was always saying, "words have meaning!" Now that I'm away from him and in better shape I can see that I do the same same thing. It's kind of funny. I know that anyone of any type can be terrible and that type has a lot to do with the ways in which we are terrible. But I never -- he never hit me, but one of my ex-husband's last two girlfriends got in touch with me recently to find out if he ever did. It's shaken me. I never, ever want to be that for anyone. Two different ways to be INTJ and thank HEAVEN for it. I understand how he got like that, but holy crap, why wouldnt he fight like hell to avoid it? He just kept justifying and justifying every tiny slide downhill and getting ticked off at me for being worried about it. So he became what he hated. Any of us could do the same. Chase -- I get it. ISFJ is the scary superego because of its capacity for vengeance. We get angry FAST and triple movement kicks us right to our superego to get the payment we "deserve". He's been living there for YEARS. And that's why Jesus commanded us to forgive: so that we won't live in our superego and become monsters. I am a very blessed woman. Very. Now to call Mom and tell her she was right.

[@CSJoseph]

well said

[@dppool456]

Problem: I walk fast, I eat fast, I talk fast (once I get going). Anything that takes little effort I tend to get done fast. In theory shouldn´t that be movement? Yet, I´m still fairly averse to chaos, I just feel pretty in control when I do things quickly. Other than the tendency to do simpler things fast, I fit the INTP description pretty much completely

[@laisrodrigues8592]

It relates to me as an (probably) ISFP. Weird.

[@WorldCrafterPrime]

I def consider myself a control type and am often complemented on my patience, but I'm not hanging out in bumper to bumper! I got 5 mph over the limit and put on cruise control.

[@tkyx]

The dogs lmao.. they made the video even more amazing.

[@paul2609]

18:31 I was so distracted by that car on the left.

[@Shadow77999]

Lmao

[@raylin2057]

It really is helpful...these videos literally help me make more friends (female friends spacificly) because before I just didn't know how to react with most other women and found there behaviors bizarre and inappropriate...and lm positive they were thinking the same of me. Knowing how people think is important. These lessons are gold. And wich one of you jerks thumbed down this video? Lol

[@CSJoseph]

Thanks for the continued support ^^

[@raylin2057]

C.S. Joseph you've earned it.

[@Grivius1014]

Excellent! I was waiting for this. Thanks!

[@kyoumary150]

For me understanding if I’m control or progress type was the hardest! I’m still not 100% certain cause even though I take my time to do things in my own pace and properly I very often have the urge to reach the desired outcome as soon as possible. But I’m ENTJ and I noticed how you differentiated this type a bit in a sense that it may seem impulsive or make decisions fast cause the plan was already in their head for long enough. Sometimes I do that in an expense of money or sleep. I’d rather lose my sleep or spend more money than delay my plan. But the plan is always there and it’s never chaotic😅

[@hiitsjabs]

Lol never thought that eating and driving explain/confirmed I’m the movement type. Thank you

[@gottesurteil3201]

I believe myself to be movement. Although control and order sound ideal, I honestly am no control freak. I like having people think I'm orderly, but I'm a horrible procrastinator, and I hate doing things that don't seem to be needing immediate attention (house cleaning/grocery shopping.) When I do clean, I clean everything at once, one and done (usually due to the later arrival of guests.) I hope I have understood these two types.

[@daniellabinjo6046]

Same !

[@fjbz3737]

In my opinion the speed at which somebody finishes a meal can’t necessarily determine whether they are movement or control, and I say that because I eat quickly and I’m sure I’m a control type

[@fatoumfatoumeh]

I eat, walk and talk fast, but I am a control type as well. When it comes to things that really matter, I take my time strategizing to achieve the best outcome possible. Eating/walking/talking fast means I get extra time to strategize and prepare for what’s important and what’s coming. I will bite anyone’s head off if they try to rush my process or interrupt it.

[@fjbz3737]

Leo Loner For me the food looses all taste and is gross when you chew it for like half an hour

[@renamiya]

I miss those walking lectures!! I'm a movement type :D

[@thereaIitsybitsyspider]

Omg, my parents are INTJ and ENFP. They literally go berserk if I don't hurry up and wait. When they do that, I go into ESTP mode and slam the brakes. Then they drain all my energy, I shut down, and NOTHING gets done.

[@noturbo]

I would be traumatized walking down that street dogs barking triggers cortisol release in me and wears me out big time..

[@sujeebangera4808]

And this is how I know why my mums always behind my dad every time here and there, Where as my dad is all about my pace. This was it. Mum drives super fast, dad's more slow and safe. Oh my gawd.

[@atouchofthepoet4601]

While I agree with you in principle about the dinner table idea, the reality is triple-movement ENFPs never STFU so they'll most likely talk throughout the entire dinner, let their food go cold, and will *commence* eating after everyone else has already finished.

[@AA-lq5pu]

Wow, I see more clearly the problems in my last relationship. Had an ex husband Intj, every time he cheated and I caught him we would move. And then everything would start off fresh again. Was a mastermind, never seen somebody walk so fast in my life, drove fast, impeccable dresser, one of the smartest men I ever met. As an intp it really helped me because I learned so much and now I have a web of resources. I definitely need order to make progress. I enjoyed traffic and have no problem standing in cues.

[@ramashakaroun2863]

Thank you @C. S. Joseph, I am learning a lot from you. I appreciate that..

[@everestdog]

The grid lock example helped me figure it out. I will go out of the way to avoid sitting in traffic.

[@toniriedl2399]

I have to listen to this again. Wow!

[@bartnauwelaerts4283]

I admit I find the control vs movement distinction very difficult because it seems like neither is a good match for me. I'm pretty sure I'm INTJ. I'm very sure I'm introverted/responding and also pretty direct. That means I should be movement according to the grid. The way you explain the difference however, leaves me with doubts: - I like things going forward, no problem with that - I however do not like chaos because I perceive chaos as hindering progress. On the other hand, an INTJ is "structured". Maybe it's a language barrier problem (English is not my mother tongue), but for me structured is opposed to chaos. - your grid lock example doesn't work for me: over here when the highway gridlocks, there's no point leaving because you can be sure the smaller roads will be gridlocked too. - I'm fairly patient when I'm stuck in traffic, not because I like it but because raging about it is not helpful. Perhaps that's more about experience/maturity than about personality, because it certainly bothers me. On the other hand, I would expect it to bother everyone. In addition to this, I feel like the way the difference is explained sounds more like a temperament style instead of an interaction style.I suppose I could simply ignore this distinction since the grid works perfectly with only the other 2, but that would mean missing out on verification, something I value highly. I'm not sure if you still follow up on videos you posted more than a year ago.Just in case you do: thank you for all the effort you put in this. While I feel they are at least 5 times longer than what's needed to present the information in them, I do value your insights Edit: I found a text from Linda Berens where she calls this Outcome vs Process focus instead of Control vs Movement. That sounds more understandable, at least to me :)

[@kfizzledizzle8467]

Is outcome control or movement? Is process movement or control?

[@phoenixvision100]

Kip Higginson I think outcome is movement, meaning someone is moving fast to get to an end result. They are not trying to be perfect, just move and get something done. Whereas control is more process oriented, with the person taking their time to get things done “right.” I think movement/outcome aligns to expensive and fast, in his analogy. And control/process aligns to cheap and high quality, in his analogy. I am an INFP IT project manager and coach, and this really makes sense to me.

[@phoenixvision100]

Bart Nauwelaerts thanks! That really cleared it up for me.

[@14xx07]

Anne Meuchel the way you mention about movement was so odd such that I am thinking that you should be a control type 😂 and yes...

[@honsali]

@@phoenixvision100 sorry but outcome is control, and process is movement

[@nwilson2015]

I tend to drive fast a lot, (not so much now that i have discovered my new car has cruise control haha), yet i find i also require control a great deal in certain areas. Not that im organised or OCD in my manner by any means, but i prefer to do things a certain way, and go at my own pace a lot. In terms of preference, i deffinitely would prefer control in the things i do and when i need to complete a project or paper i often organize all things around me pertaining to this project and go step by step. Based on this i deem myself a control type.

[@a.s9392]

I think the cognitive focus of someone make him/her to show more or less of certain interacting styles. Like intp who is shadow focused is likely to be more control than subconscious focused intp.

[@sayonarapt06]

good video, now i understand why i get so stessed out when i have to be patient with something, i have this great example as a finisher type, i take a lot of time to start something, but there was this specific day, that was so chaotic and thats exactly where i started making progress, every day i was making progress and every day I was one step closer to the end, and thats what happened, i finished everthing first comparing to my classmates

[@whocares3337]

OOOKAY Mr C.S. Joseph! You promised to read and answer all the comments in some previous video, so i'll wait for one too... First. I want to thank you for your work, it's like the most helpful and structured stuff I was searching for through the MBTI/ Typing community... realized most people are just confused as fuck, and got me confused too Second.C Now to my real question.. I am working my way through your videos for like a week already and before that I had a confusion whether INTJ or INTP ( I know the functions are different,and I read them too, but the function description somehow both appealed to me so I never was completely sure) I watched the 3 videos from S15 and came out with even more questions than I had before! 1. Direct vs Informative : I was a quiet but bossy child, meaning I did not talk much, but when I did it was short statements, or what I wanted others to do.. go to A do B . Now .( I'm 24 ) I realized that my speaking patterns are fucked up and block me off from communication when I want it. So I 'trained' to speak in a more fluent and soft way over time, which following your definitions is more informative. Most of the time I am the most relaxed and laid back person, like constrantly high with no drugs e.g. But then again, if I realize the situation is going nowhere, or out of control ( bad course basically) and I take over from the previous " leader" or just take this role I get the imperative tone, I become direct I deligate, may even become harsh... no emotions at all.. only stating facts and rationalize what and how to do stuff. 2. Initiating vs. Responding: This confused me a lot. Like I said most of the time I don't give a damn. I am at home all alone, rarely with a friend ( and I don"t have many and consider myself and introvert in this case, but then again I can be in social gatherings when the people around me are close friends - they just don't drain me this much, unknown people do.and I also never really consciously search for them, ... I don't really think I need people and try to be self-sufficient mostly ). I respond most of the time, this would be my preferred modus operandi, I don't initiate conversations ( most of them are just stupid rating of I like vs he likes and what is better stuff.. disgusts me. and I find myself interested in real life problems and optimization of human systems like politics, socio-economic worldly perspective... all this 'big-picture' stuff the MBTI speaks about. So back to topic, I don't have any troubles initiating an informational session for myself. Where I go ask a question get the info I wanted ... and that's it. I can ask anybody of anything if it's a direction like in your example or a girl to go out or a dance if I'm interested. ( I think I got this from my ExSx dad but it doesn't bother me). Would it still follow your logic if I'd be direct and basically initiating a response from myself ? Initiating the other to be informative when I need it, something like this? The thing is I don't have a problem with than and rarely when I see people around me are having troubles to connect and communicate I can take this role up to myself and start conversations too. Or when I really need stuff from people at the university and initiate conversations to get information. 3. Control vs Movement.... This one confused me MOST! Thanks for that ;) I love structuring everything. I create boxes of boxes and put folders of and in folders when using the browser or music. I like to have control over people or situations and know what's happening... but on the other hand I feel like I am good with improvising situations ( not people... got me hurt a couple of times ), by that I mean to get a plan of how to get from A to B and what needs to be done for that .. That would be Movement but I'd never say that I love chaos myself... on the other hand I feel rather energized physically moving, going ( always had people tell me I am going to fast) somewhere doing something.. And had this picture of needing to lead people to do stuff from a tent on a mountain or a tower... also your example about the sure and the fast way... I do not drive a car ... and I don't really have a drive to learn driving ( which also is a lot like your example of INTJ's) but I like moving forward a lot... going in the right direction rather than to wait for a tram e.g Also I am watching your videos while I have to write essays basically procrastinating.... so I do inflict chaos? Man that's crazy ))) It confuses me , because like I said I can be different in different situations and how do I find out if I am just a ( I am pretty sure about NT) lazy INTJ ( direct,resp,mov. seems and kinda feels more authentic ) or other combinations that in reallity seem to differ alot... Sorry for the long text, hope you can focus this long and give me your opinion on this.. I am sure it'll help others too, to define their tendencies.

[@TonyDaExpert]

Being an INTJ in some relationships I definitely felt the stagnation pain I really disliked it.

[@matilda4406]

What an awesome idea, each class of its own type, I would have loved that!

[@PunkFiddler]

The nomenclature of your episodes felt so much satisfying for me. also noticed the older ones were renamed. so much easier to browse. though as a control type, i sometimes eat fast, especially when i am really hungry or craving for something to eat.

[@CSJoseph]

yessir, its about primary vs. secondary, sometimes your secondary traits activate

[@annhinz6326]

Whenever I play Risk, and after a few hours I'm either tired or bored, I always collect my armies and then tear through the world till all my armies are gone.

[@firebirdwillgaming4193]

As an INTJ (triple movement) I can confidently say that I always finnish my plate the fastest. Unless I´m sick/nauseus or something.

[@crisslambert6593]

Would you say movement types tend to procrastinate in order to introduce chaos?

[@tasneemali4892]

Im confused. Movement is ok with chaos Intj is movement so they are ok with chaos But they are systematic and planned so isn't that the oposite of chaos Control is orderly Intp is control so they are orderly But they are spontaneous and disorganized so isn't this the opposite of orderly

[@felicitassky7606]

Yeah this also confuses me

[@mauraliller6]

Yes, this is confusing. I'm an ISTJ, I mostly relate to the movement description except for the chaos part. I don't embrace chaos, I'm taking quick action to eliminate it. If movement types supposedly embrace chaos, then isn't it rather odd that half of the types that are movement types are J types? (ESFJ, INFJ, INTJ, and ISTJ)

[@danielfisher898]

I’m also confused but here’s my best shot: Intjs are organized and planned, specifically in the midst of chaos. Once there is chaos, then they create their own order and use chaos as “a ladder” to reach new heights, their order becoming the only one left. Intps are harder... The only thing I can think of is that conceptual chaos is definitely something intps despise. As one I can attest to the idea that we practically exist to order ideas into rules and laws. Knowledge is a form of order. They don’t appear very orderly, but in fact a well designed system intps typically greatly appreciate. Their Si child usually follows rules unless they can explain exactly why the rule is stupid and shouldn’t exist. They don’t take risks readily, always preferring to wait and make as sure as they can that they’ve thought of everything, from every angle, and checked all of it... blah blah blah

[@melancholikak6844]

Add another confused person. Isfp. I inhale food and drive fast. I usually seem to need chaos to move forward. But, I usually won't begin if chaos is not settled. Since my divorce and taking 4 minor kids with me to live in a shack of an apartment, work a crappy job with overtime to make ends meet, I have no room for movement, so I hate chaos because I'm chronically stressed. I'm really lost on this one.

[@smartsport]

melancholika k sounds like you’re a movement type but just overdosed on chaos

[@14xx07]

Ohhh I indeed will take the route off but always the last to finish food. But with how I generally desire for growth as if it’s my mantra, I can tell I’m movement type. As a high movement type, I’m afraid of typing any one less movement than me as just control.

[@BeyondSustainableLiving]

My boss is an ENTP and he was fairly easy for me to type, maybe because as an INTJ I recognized our compatibilities but the other ENTPs I've seen were not easy.

[@misssage2298]

Hey Chase- I thought I would share something for you to explore,if your curious. I know you have little time with all you do. Anyways, I think everything should connect for the most part if it is correct, I am all into psychology and figuring humans out. Relations and people are very important to me. I really like astrology because if you learn to read it, it shows you a blueprint of yourself and you can find your cognitive functions just through looking there. (But humans are very complicated. ) A thing that is similar but not as complexed is called “Human Design”. I cannot figure out what my type is,(maybe an Infp, Isfj or a Infj or none of them!) but I am loving this and think it could be a good helpful method (if it works and has no holes, I am still trying it out🤪🤓) that can help type people. What we think we are and who we are is hard for us to digest and I know there is a lot of mistypes. It gets complicated, (like I have been learning on here) when people can be stuck in their shadows or because of the nurture they received- their nature has cognitive functions that are pumped up so it is harder to type theirself or be typed correctly. So anyways, do an overview of Human Design (look at your chart, experience yourself and see if it speaks to you and then, if you want,find the holes. It's good to experience things first hand I think.😊)to see how it works and look at your own chart. Figure out your channels. Look things up, I think it is fascinating. You’ll learn about your main energy through your channels, your purpose through what your incarnation cross is (mine is left angle cross of incarnation) and what your strategy is (The strategy may correlate with the temperament- such as mine is waiting to respond) I like figuring things out and connecting things that build on each other. Everything should make sense and some things we just have not figured out and we may never because of our limited minds- so some topics or ideas are bunched in as “Supernatural” or “Wu Wu” -when maybe they are and maybe they are not. I think we can take what is right and leave the rest to build a better, more whole version of what we are all trying to figure out- our universe, ourselves, others, and what impact we have if any and what is the purpose of our origin and life here on earth. What sucks is we are just building blocks, I want to see the ending!! Lol Anyways, check it out, Chase, if you like. ☺️ One helpful link: birthdaypersonality.org/human-design/post/06-gates/ and birthdaypersonality.org/human-design/chapter-02/ for a book on it

[@alvindingle4632]

would something like procrastinating until the last minute/hour to get a job done considered movement type? in a sense waiting for chaos, in order to progress.

[@CSJoseph]

Almontheo J that is very normal for finishers

[@heatherbryant4197]

That is also very normal for INTPs, who are Control. When you phrase it as, "waiting for chaos, in order to progress," that is Movement. However, procrastination can be for other reasons.

[@SJaye-zv9er]

@@heatherbryant4197 It's also strongly related to both ADHD and anxiety disorder.

[@benjaminbaker987]

Sherry Johnson ADHD is typically just misdiagnosed Movement.

[@khgdlqgsds4528]

You can test that with what music you like. I noticed I like music that has a fast rythm, I can not tolerate slow "relaxing" music. I skip the song if it's too slow (infj) While some of my control type friends like slow piano music and things like that 😅

[@nootclaymore5094]

I like chaos and skip topics in conversation a lot. I also talk fast with a lot of emotion and people tell me I'm funny. I think I'm movement and interest. I don't know if I'm afflitive or pragmatic

[@CSJoseph]

Sounds pragmatic

[@jeongyuqi]

omg ive never really realised why i find enfps a little too chaotic (even though i love them) because we have the same cognitive functions so surely we should be pretty much the same? this makes so much sense djdjjd

[@ritaweygint4038]

Once a guy broke up with me because, in his words, I “Ate like a ravenous wolf!” Triple-movement, INTJ here! ❤

[@CSJoseph]

Cute

[@Itwasnme]

Hmm...movement vs control. Chaos vs order. I am quite disorderly but am not fast. I usually procrastinate then do things as quickly as I can. Cause my mind is always in a place of, "its not that hard".

[@CSJoseph]

Download the free type grid companion at csjoseph.life and work through that, you'll get your answer. Or if you're impatient you can always get a 15 min typing session.

[@xandirkuro4790]

24:40 Gotta go fast, Gotta go faster faster, gotta go fast, gotta go faster faster!

[@ninaivana1106]

I two times used your personality test on your website and once it showed ESFP the other time ENTP all though I was sure to be an INFP haha. One thing I can say for sure: I´m a moving type

[@brittanypage1706]

Any other INTJ huge fans of Fire Emblem? Literally my favorite game series. Catherine is another great game.

[@Zaidi_227]

OK in this video I was able to focus on EVERYTHING except Joseph and what he was saying, am I progression or outcome?

[@bills1967]

Im an intp and I hate waiting in traffic too. I get out 5 exit away from my house because I can keep moving on the back road compared to a a highway through a downtown city plus I can stop by and get something to drink or eat.

[@ronim8941]

Disadvantage for Control types in employment world • They cannot keep up with the fast paced deadlines or duties • Stereotypically considered as "slow" not efficient person or stupid • Not useful • Weird/ Lazy what more can you think of? 😏 I'm curious 🤔 are they considered detail-oriented since they are all about order or it depends?

[@ashleycnossen3157]

I have both in my relationship with myself. Controlled chaos - I blow it up, then I clean it up. Progress in both. Haha.

[@xuanius]

Can’t wait to try the family dinner observation 😏 I like how you give very specific situational examples

[@LCardosed92]

Before this lesson I had my doubts if my mom was an ESTJ or ESFJ. Now I am certain she is ESFJ.

[@etherealrosegold]

You said that so perfectly...The river...flow

[@theendawesomefriend]

If, for example, someone is triple outcome, does this mean they basically never behave in a way that is progression-like?

[@CSJoseph]

Basically.

[@theendawesomefriend]

@@CSJoseph Thanks.

[@sol-oh1gc]

I'm a movement type but a pretty slow, yet chaotic lol

[@lizzywhite4231]

Really enjoyed this episode (as usual)

[@bluegiant13]

Been watching your videos, but the more I watch the more confused I am about my type. People think I am an INTP so do I, but not entirely 100% sure or else I wouldn't be watching these videos. I relate to both movement and control. I relate to finishing first with meals(I think eating is a waste of time lol), so then I think I am a movement type, but then I have 10 counter-arguments to why this is a bad argument. And then I relate to slow driving and learning how to drive very late in life i.e. I am still trying to get my license almost done with the lessons (I am 24). But then I have 10 counter-arguments again as to why this line of reasoning is bad. In some instances, I am fast and other instances I like to keep it organized and orderly and use a process and hate it when people try to rush me. I have for most bits in your videos memories that I can relate to from both movement and order, and I can also destroy the associations by argumentation. I like both progress and order. So I still struggle with figuring out my type. I am fast in things I have experience with like navigating the internet, finding information, photoshop, 3d, programming, and writing(faster than most people). But if I learn something new, I like to go about it slowly and orderly, but also play with the possibilities and gathering data on these possibilities to form the best possible way of doing things, this is me making sure I am not missing important data. Can someone relate to the mental patterns I shared and perhaps tell me what type I could be or what type they are?

[@sannan255]

I used to think i am INTP, based on some online test, silly me. After finding these videos, I came to the conclusion that I am INTJ. I picked up things from your comment that made me think you could be INTJ too. Hate being rushed, when learning something new. Needing time to collect the information and process it (Ni-Te), and keep going in deeper and deeper to make sure one has gotten all the facts right (Ti-critic), to be sure I have found THE right answer or best way to do something. I first confused the unability to come to the right conclusion quickly as Ti-Ne, thinking I was INTP. But my INTP bf is not obsessed with finding the right/best decision, he sees many possibilities being as good, and he may even flip a coin to make the decision (actually he made an algorithm that simulates 5 coin flips, since one flip was too unreliable, according to him lol). I could never do decisions based on a coin flip haha!

[@bluegiant13]

@@sannan255 Some other people have said I may be INTJ and I do relate to some INTJ things. But I know INTPs that would definitely not make decisions based on coins flips, this sounds irrational to me irrelevant of what type you are. I don't think the decisions are significant if he does that. I would make a decision on what ice cream to eat based on 5 coin flips, no problem. I am also big into self-development. I would consider my external behavior J, but my thoughts INTPish. I just see flawed thinking everywhere, and I don't know what to do with it anymore. I read very isolated examples that are very context-dependent without these examples being principal or cross transferable. I just can't categorize myself based on some arbitrary metric like "making sure to have the right answer". It really depends on the gravity of the situation, it really depends on everything. Or hate to be rushed. Also depends on the context. Sometimes I like to work very very fast, sometimes I like to take things slowly. It really depends. If I am learning something complex and new, I like to go slowly. If I am learning something easy or am doing something I have experience with, I like to go fast. It isn't even that I like to do it or not, my pace automatically changes based on the situation, this is a subconscious thing. And it makes quite a lot of common sense, it could be said that most people naturally work faster if they are good at something. I also can't choose between having the best possible way or having multiple good possibilities. It all sounds stupid to me. I don't think like that at all. Sometimes having multiple good possibilities is better than having the best possible way, and sometimes having the best possible way is better than having the multiple possibilities. It really depends on the context, each problem is new and fresh. Btw, nothing against you, I am just mad because I can't figure this out, and I am ranting a bit.

[@Navenanthen]

I found it fascinating that you pulled the word 'river' (seemingly) out of thin air - in relation to the movement type. It symbolizes, to me, the flow-state that's said to be induced in INTJs when confronted with the unknown (chaos). Rephrased as a question: Does the INTJ deliberately seek out chaos to facilitate the emergence of its Ni-hero? Thank you 🙏 P.s. Correlates with Nietzsche's attraction to Dionysus.

[@allthingsnew6334]

im confused im an INTJ, 100% sure. I understand that my mind moves very fast and chaotic. although I wont start any project until i have an entire timeline and controlled outcome set in stone. it seems like my ENTJ friend is way faster at getting things accomplished too.

[@usefulbobcat]

Ti critic: but what if your not?

[@usefulbobcat]

Entjs have Te hero which I think makes them want to jump into the action as soon as possible

[@lagerthalothbrok6082]

You take ages to start because INTJ is a finisher type. If you've started something then you'll most likely have the drive to finish it as well, but starting takes a damn lot of energy. Whereas starter types like ENTPs love to start many new projects but won't have the same energy to finish it

[@cstharlo]

It means you're outcome