how does tf2 decide who gets the assist?

[@shounic]

FAQ - TRY DO THIS IN THIS ORDER this information is confirmed by looking into the code, not learned by testing. this means that even if i didn't show something in the video, the information i've given you can be safely trusted. obviously, because of the numerous combination of things to test, i can't create an exhaustively comprehensive demonstration of everything - so for stuff like the medigun, i opted not to show every combination of order and weapons. though i fully expect you nerds to think of some other wild edge cases that even i haven't thought to test and there'll be a part two :)))) also, update on the sapper stuff. sapping with another spy doesn't change anything. not 100% sure why but there's nothing new to report, so no part 3. (blanket disclaimer: idk if what i said makes sense, i didn't sleep well so i'll come back later to edit this with proper english if it sucks) thanks for reading, here are some bonus thumbnails: i.imgur.com/rOsjLXd.png i.imgur.com/AMyh1ZK.png

[@bokieiey]

you're welcome for reading

[@skyixyes3971]

amputator taunts can give assists btw (sorry to be that guy)

[@spycookie6174]

But were any Baby Engie Mains harmed in the making of this video

[@TehPlayer14]

Sapper gives assist too if someone destroy the building before your sapper kills it

[@BlazingShadowSword]

Thanks for clarifying the stuff with multiple spies not affecting a bugged sapper. Very nice.

[@borutoburrito6547]

"If I shoot someone and they die, I'm the killer" Wow that was the shortest mystery novel I've ever read.

[@QWERTY708100]

Heavy Is Dead in a nutshell

[@joeboyd1964]

At least it's one of those mystery novels where the reader can solve it before the ending; those are satisfying

[@littlenyancat5754]

People die when they are killed.

[@spaghettthesomeone9625]

@@littlenyancat5754 wait really? Wow... The more you know

[@b-17theflyingfortress]

@@QWERTY708100 YA TA YATATA IT IS GOOD DAY TO BE NOT DED

[@oktayyildirim2911]

1:41 "For debuffs, it tiebreaks by ordering the weapons by release date." I wouldn't expect anything less from Valve developers.

[@bruschetta7711]

I find it quite smart, i expected then to just base everything on who joined first

[@MickyVideo]

It actually works quite well and is possibly less computationally expensive.

[@duarteribeiro1520]

@@bruschetta7711 Instead of being the player who joined first, it's the weapon who joined first

[@h4724-q6j]

What solution would you prefer them to use?

[@Bluejet_007]

@@h4724-q6j Something like who put debuffs first or last would have made more sense. Not the most accurate method, but makes way more sense.

[@Tudsamfa]

The most important assists are pet accesories while in pyroland.

[@christianaustin782]

Dude I honestly forgot about those lol. I assume those would just rank last, like beneath damage

[@258thHiGuy]

@@christianaustin782 They only show up as an assist if there was no actual assist

[@christianaustin782]

@@258thHiGuy soooo technically correct that they rank last 😬

[@KoboldCloaca]

Slithering scarf gang

[@randomzergling]

@@christianaustin782 Morale support

[@AceTheOcarinaMaker]

A lot of weird kill credit in the past makes sense now. Great video as usual.

[@watema3381]

fancy seeing you here

[@drcrooked2620]

Excuse me there's only 2 comments on a ace comment why don't I see more

[@dracon2963]

Nice it’s you ace im a big fan

[@Destro65]

Oh look its ace

[@cameonmate4293]

hi dad

[@kerbonaut2059]

3:23 "This is a 10,000$ custom-tailored Louis Crabbemarche jacket. The cloth is from silkworms raised at a suit microfarm in Tuscany, from a secret pattern passed down by monk tailors since the 7th century."

[@Kaiwala]

Then scout meets god or something idk

[@Bacony_Cakes]

You just ruined it by coating it in pee. Fuck you. -Spy

[@apple-de8tx]

laughing

[@onedoompunchman7549]

New unusual

[@slyseal2091]

@Dick Faggotson - "the spy", seconds before realising that his current state would give the man in need of a diaper full crits.

[@bareodin]

Fun fact you forgot to mention: if a pyro reflects a stun ball at an enemy player who then dies, the assist goes to the enemy scout. This can results in sometimes an enemy scout getting an assist in his own death.

[@Lilithksheh7723]

That’s a “you played yourself” moment right there.

[@Hugonche29]

Same if a friend medic heals an enemy spy who backstabs a teammate. Actually, both scenarios allow players to dominate players from their own team!

[@theweirdwolf1877]

Imagine dominating yourself

[@quintonwinton7210]

@@Hugonche29 i believe it lets medic dominate himself

[@modmaniamadness]

@@quintonwinton7210 revenge crits

[@davistoa]

It's amazing how you keep finding questions to things that are so interesting, yet I never really thought that hard about before. You're pretty much the only TF2 content creator still full of fresh ideas, so hats off to that.

[@RoastCDuck]

Thats why this is one of the fews KZbin channel related to TF2 that i watch now since i quit TF2 on december 2019, I don't want to call this a TF2ber as its content is technical and debugging, something different from the main TF2 theme, pointing out flaws, facts, pros and cons, literally answering useful questions and pointing whats wrong with the game, not something alot of TF2bers do since they are scared of talking or pointing out flaws on TF2 which is their main problem, no one talks or asks what really is wrong with the game or how does it work in the core and proceeds to lie to themselves and the community about the current state of the game, is not running on its full potential that time was long ago, the game is struggling and dying.

[@Gotmilk0112]

Hats off? No, hats on.

[@burnzey4470]

@Kody Pendleton i know right? these small questions are so much more intriguing and engaging than"gttthhhk wacky map *wheeze*"

[@Scoutscout1000]

this one is actually something i've always wondered, I hate headshotting someone and they die right after and I dont get the assist.

[@endig4501]

I haven't even played TF2 since the matchmaking update and I still watch these videos. It's good stuff.

[@krisztianpapp6717]

all of the dripping effects looks like an unusual effect waiting to happen

[@topminator1667]

new unusual effect added: dripping toilet

[@Wittymations]

@@topminator1667 I'm thoroughly disgusted. Add it, Valve.

[@gangstascout3593]

that would be op because you couldnt ever tell if someone had a debuff

[@krisztianpapp6717]

@@gangstascout3593 Well, it could be a orbiting effect like nuts n bolts or else but am sure they could implement it in a non game breaking way maybe

[@gangstascout3593]

@@krisztianpapp6717 idk man, i mean who would want to have a water,milk,piss and motor oil aura around their head

[@bukachell]

Imagine if it just included everyone on the list of assisting actions and like 20 dudes all work together to kill one engineer

[@UH-60_Blackhawk]

infinitely long kill feed

[@l1ghtd3m0n3]

Some “you were killed again by the sentry gun of the late” type shit

[@supersonicfan6404]

3:24 Wow, spy has some SERIOUS drip!

[@ducksociety3514]

Shounic: "If I shoot someone, I'm the killer" Audience: "Dear god" Shounic: "There's more..." Audience: "No"

[@-Raylight]

I love how even after 13 years, we still have something we don't know about TF2 and it's still being analyzed I just hope TF2 team didn't update the game too soon, so this video is going to be useful... Oh wait

[@LividImp]

This video will be useful until they release Half-Life 3....in other words, your grandkids will still be referencing it.

[@ruruisu]

Thank source leak for a lot of these

[@-Raylight]

So that's why it's pretty common for a decent medic to top score, just heal everyone and you'll get the credit xD

[@Nigel-nv3lr]

Medics earn it though, they really do make or break the team in most games

[@MeekerMW]

@@Nigel-nv3lr Exactly, if a medic is top scoring that means he is frequently, if not always, healing the people in a battle or people running toward frontline, hell yea

[@awabfarass9054]

@@MeekerMW why did you say the same thing 3 times?

[@MeekerMW]

@@awabfarass9054 ah fuck

[@JellyMyst]

So you're a fan of TF2 as well as vtubers? Nice.

[@Bobcat1573]

Me: “does 2990 damage to heavy robot” Scout out of no where: “uses pistol” Spy out of no where: “facestabbs it” Me:”doesn’t get even a assist”

[@Fel1xF7W]

i mean you got unlucky because of the scout but if you don't frag the enemy you shouldn't appear in the killfeed

[@Manavine]

team: "ree can't you do your fucking job"

[@cavalcadeofbobs3559]

I don't think you know what quotes mean

[@Manavine]

@@cavalcadeofbobs3559 I have this feeling you forgot what dialogue means

[@cavalcadeofbobs3559]

@@Manavine really, then I would like you to read that comment out like each character says the quoted words. Instead of, y'know, asterisks because these are actions and not dialogue.

[@Umicron_]

Does uber-ing the killer increase the medic's priority? Like if the second medic to heal the killer Ubers the killer before they get the kill do they get the assist?

[@Nigel-nv3lr]

Lol something similar to me happened last night. I was running stock medi gun and another medic went kritzkreig. We both had Uber and popped in on a pyro (killed like 8 people it was epic). Even though I popped Uber before him, only the pyro and the kritz medic got credit for the kills, since he started healing the pyro first

[@kamils6975]

Ubering does not increase priority

[@MeesterTweester]

Medigun, Kristkreig, and Quickfix Ubers should count

[@allenholloway5109]

@@Nigel-nv3lr Good to know.

[@sampletext9426]

@@Nigel-nv3lr now imagine a pyro ubered by stock, kritz and quickfix

[@hexa138]

Guy I'm dominating: [Gently blows my hair] Me: [Dies 25 years later] Game: THAT'S AN ASSIST. HE GOT REVENGE ON YOU!

[@sillypinkmoth]

i smell frustration

[@yetanotherperson1833]

Meanwhile I deal like 75 damage to a scout, a soldier finish hims off, and I get rewarded with absolutely nothin

[@UNALLOYEDSLOP]

Guy I’m dominating 🥵😳

[@hexa138]

@@UNALLOYEDSLOP holy shit is that a sex reference

[@StickMaster500]

Another reason why the Jarate is the superior weapon

[@razormaw]

Tis first time i saw you with so little likes and comments. Quite alien

[@abdogad1]

Fr

[@Kenajcrap]

great vídeo as always. But although you explained that the first medic to start healing you gets priority on the assist, I think it would be worth mentioning that this even applies if the second medic Ubers or Kritz the target. It is too common for a gibus medic who is just following a random guy to steal a good 5 or 7 assist when I Kritz him, simply because I commited the sin of healing my team as a whole, switching targets constantly and launching arrows :(

[@dingchat555]

Bit of a correction on 5:40: A spy can get an assist on a destroyed building if he places a sapper on the building and a teammate destroys the building while it is being sapped.

[@kuni2330]

Other teammates destroying a building with a sapper still gives the Diamondback crits as well.

[@adriannaranjo4397]

Me: *does 90% of damage to enemy* Random sniper getting overhealed: *body shots and kills them* Game: *credits the sniper and medic* Me: "What the fu-"

[@turi6233]

*95%**

[@John-ek4xc]

Imagine thats your nemesis

[@jankkhvej434]

can we talk about how this guy is literally the 3kliksphilip of tf2?

[@Ultimaximus]

I went in the other direction, I started watching 3kliksphilip even though I don't play CSGO

[@dinonuggiesguy4847]

Same lol

[@Hoodiebud]

3:18 When you run for 1 second.

[@JemiDove]

A videoediting question (anyone can answer); how did you get the TF2 animated character models (and any animated ingame special effects associated with them) with a transparent background such that you could composite in your own background? Did you capture videos of them against a greenscreen custom map or something?

[@shounic]

yes

[@JemiDove]

@@shounic I see, thanks for the insight :D

[@hogpilot9735]

You can use loadout.tf to get the animations you want and add cosmetics.

[@nubert916]

"If I shoot someone and they die, I am the killer" What a great quote to start the video

[@Finluz]

"If I shoot someone, and they die, I'm the killer. Anyway, back to TF2..."

[@creamgravy5732]

As a comp player and engineer main who often uses the frontier justice, thisis actually really valuable information Thank you! Been trying to figure this out for quite some time after thinking I should get sentry assists but them just not happening, but now I know that my damage has to be the most recent damage, and within 3 seconds, and debuffs or bluffs or healing can get in the way of assists being awarded to me sentry. Also, odd thing, it seems as though it is impossible for an engineer's sentry to get an assist from the engineer who built it, by which I mean if someone is peppered by my sentry and I finish them with my shotgun, no assist will be awarded

[@AzzieEquinox]

After Jungle Inferno, airblasting people into kill barriers will sometimes ignore the airblast, crediting nobody for the kill. It'll just credit anyone who did damage. Additionally, the Shortstop's push will never credit you for pushing an enemy into a kill barrier, despite it dealing 1 damage.

[@mohammadwaled409]

Man every day i discover new ways in which the shove is useless

[@viporal7898]

You're disgusting

[@mohammadwaled409]

@@viporal7898 why? Because of the furry avatar?

[@viporal7898]

@@mohammadwaled409 you guessed correctly

[@theali8oras274]

@@viporal7898 you're disgusting

[@BotAurelionSol]

3:18 "As if I would ruin a $3000 Dollar suit. Good. Good" - Spy

[@Lactopurg4]

is that from the comics?

[@mane8246]

@@Lactopurg4 is a voice line

[@ChipDrewPog]

Another thing for buildings: You can also assist in destroying a building if it's sapped, if you hit a sapped building and it dies to the sapper you get an assist on it I think it works the other way around too where the spy gets the assist for sapping a building that is then destroyed but I'm not entirely sure. Though I don't know how a medic's healing plays into this, further testing is required.

[@MrBump2]

I've always wondered about a lot of this, thanks for explaining. Many times I've never received obvious assist kills in a quick skirmish. Like, only the killer would get a single credit while I was attacking the enemy also. Must have been some of these unnamed instances you showed. Good video.

[@kingjensen8091]

*hits guy for 8 with the pistol* TF2 when that person dies: Good work!

[@shurbrrt]

3:18 women after they see my lego bionicles collection

[@betty-ld6wy]

LOL

[@Qtheman3456]

mac_II out here spittin facts

[@Kimri]

3:19 The fact that you don't have any reason to do this but you did it anyway is why i love your content.

[@ismaelcortes1698]

The Healing amputator Taunt effect count like "healing" (like the medigun) or like a "buff"?

[@ThePikminCaptain]

Don’t forget the 5th spot in the assist credit list, items like the nabler/balloonicorn etc

[@spadesauce3391]

I just love how clean his videos are

[@Keiinnn]

Woaaaah, the editing was great, keep up the good work dude!

[@Calzonieee]

0:01 You may be a killer, but you ain't man enough to be the Killa.

[@DavidGaming69]

why didn't you just say 0:00

[@Calzonieee]

@@DavidGaming69 ignore alt deletes your comment

[@DavidGaming69]

@@Calzonieeewhat?

[@Calzonieee]

@@DavidGaming69 Ignore: Ignores comment Alt: Reverts attack Delete: Deletes attack

[@DavidGaming69]

@@Calzonieeeim confuse

[@KT8D5]

I just love when i almost kill an enemy and random soldier kills him wirhout my credit. Really, does it work or not?

[@krystofmichajlovfrancisko8224]

Ahoj český inženýre

[@KT8D5]

@@krystofmichajlovfrancisko8224 ahoj

[@krystofmichajlovfrancisko8224]

@@KT8D5 ahoj borče, nepřestávej bejt hustej😎😎

[@alchemispark7751]

1:09 POV you're about to get vibe checked

[@commenter_HIMIK-MAN]

3:18 Looks like he's dripping Skittles.

[@frazer_1997]

Cute girl: "Hi! How you doing?" Me, an introvert, sweating, pissing myself and puking out: 3:23

[@palidengamer2540]

first like

[@Marsaw]

Where does the milk come from?

[@ridhosamudro2199]

@@Marsaw probably it's not milk in his case

[@AviansEnthusiast]

Hate to be that guy, but introverts aren't necessarily bad at socializing with people. You can be an introvert and be more confident around people than extroverts, it happens. Main thing is that introverts like their time alone, as that helps them recharge themselves from socializing and is where they feel most comfortable. Nonetheless, you're just making a meme

[@Cece-Cece]

@@AviansEnthusiast neat info

[@chadasmr8304]

I just really love how encouraging the system is for teamwork. Celebrates helping with recognition. I really do love tf2

[@toanuva6178]

0:06, I think federally they’re called an accomplice

[@skepter4745]

Engineers were harmed at the making of this video

[@killerspieler7784]

"If i shoot somone and they die i'm the killer" Yep. That's how the law works.

[@willowism]

...usually

[@siewierszczyzna]

IIRC Spies also get assists if they sap a building that someone else destroys. I.E. If a Spy saps a sentry, but a Demoman blows it up after the sapper is placed but before the sapper actually destroys the building, the Spy will get an assist.

[@alphagem7080]

You forgot about the spy when he saps a building and someone else destroys it the spy gets credit for the sapper

[@VagueCastle649]

Since sappers are technically buildings that apply a debuff to engineer buildings, the spy gets the assist over the medic. _(Unfortunately does not apply to the cow mangler)_

[@asdf-23512]

Imagine getting kill priority over a pocket medic by gassing all their should have been assists

[@mrstudent9125]

What about Spy’s sappers when crediting building destruction? I thought they always have the prioritiy.

[@memesmemes3143]

so .... the sandman stun feature LITERALLY has the highest top priority in giving assist !!

[@kazzafraz5607]

5:52 I must go, my people need me

[@yourbuddymuddy]

5:34 spies also get an assist credit if they have a sapper attached and someone else destroys the building

[@mrakhsaalaksamanap8203]

The funniest killfeed will be forever assisted suicide by the enemy team

[@spidermanfan31]

I've been wondering this for over a decade now thank you so much

[@NGoldtear]

I remember one time when I got a melee crit on a soldier taking him down to 5 HP, then the scout behind me shoots him for 5 damage immediately after, yet I don't get any assist at all? What's up with that?

[@lesabreur3]

Possibly mad milked by said scout ? As demonstrated in this video, any buff / healing self applied to the killer might prevent a damaging ally to the assist credit

[@lesabreur3]

@ a bit of a stretch, but maybe a soldier using the air strike is counted as "buffed" while in the air, due to the passive of the weapon ?

@@lesabreur3 I doubt it! also it was an example but it happened many times sometimes i got full credit when I didn't deserved it ^^' other times I abused these mechanics to steal the assists when i dont deserve them either hehe

[@sandunderrad]

Jim is not having a good day.

[@squishybrick]

1:52 is the jarate.. .. Behind his hand??

[@jepob7463]

Yes

[@SU76M]

Damn, I like your analysis videos so much. It's so informative!

[@ranibro]

Thanks for curing my depression

[@thediamonddragon1256]

“If I shoot someone and they die, I’m the killer” The more you know

[@sh4dowveil749]

If a building is sapped then destroyed by someone then spy should always get the assist, wtf gaben

[@redacted_lol]

Yes! I was just wondering that recently. Thank you so much for this video!

[@viporal7898]

You forgot to mention the sappers on a building. When a spy saps the building and someone else destroys it, the spy gets the assist.

[@alex_zetsu]

Personally, even though the buff priority is arbitrary, I feel like it is accidentally correct since I feel the heal on attack as the one least likely to have helped you make the kill. One buff increases damage. Two buffs increase survivability, but one of them only does so if you connect your shots while the Battalion's Backup buff is passive.

[@Gis_Animations]

What if someone is healed by a crossbow? Would they get an assist?

[@notster7114]

It has to be active healing to have any effect, passive healing doesn't mean anything for assists, sandviches and the like

[@funtechu]

Great video. One little comment though since it might confuse newer players. Of the two people listed, the person listed first is the person who dealt the final blow (the video has it backwards). So if it says "Player1 + Player2 Victim" you know that Player1 is a pyro.

[@CoolJosh3k]

Can we get an f in chat for jim?

[@juangarcia-nc6ur]

the spy face at 0:44 looks like sadness materialized

[@vinicius6136]

hey shounic i know this is not related to the video but i have question: in the guide you made to use your crosshair in tftv the guy that explains talk about "weapon script" and i dont know where the fuck this is, can you help me? thanks.

[@TheFlamingPiano]

This thought randomly popped into my head a while ago, particularly about mad milk scout or medic getting the assist. Then I see this video.

[@El_Don_Comedia]

mate, it's pronounced as "conqueror". Spongebob lied to you

[@awesomesauce7264]

Fukin finally a video explaining this. You have no clue how many times I've gotten a sniper down to 2 hp as scout only then for a pyro with his stupid jetpack to fly in, steal the kill, and not give me any credit for the assist. As you can see, I'm really mad about this.

[@stuff5757]

Hey I'm in the video at the top right corner of the screen 0:11

[@DJL3G3ND]

wow I always just thought it was killer + damager but bloody hell tf2 has so much attention to detail

[@MarkoVasev]

@1:47 God i miss the stunn so fucking bad guys the current sandman is so boring but the stun was so fun.

[@orangy57]

Thank you so much for making this, I've always wondered if there was a time limit to getting assists since you can sometimes do over 140 damage to an enemy and then not get the assist, yet some other class who barely did any damage still gets the credit.

[@bobsbrain397]

Thank you for answering just about every TF2-related shower thought I've ever had

[@The_asdfghjkl]

Kinda glad that this guy still does tf2 things.So many people left due to the lack of new content.Just glad he still enjoys making this stuff.

[@Viktority]

I love your content, it is so interesting. You answer the deepest and important thing in TF2!

[@dylanw.4598]

idk why but I absolutely love your editing

[@bingoos9641]

Rest in peace, jim.

[@matteo-ciaramitaro]

Buildings recognize assists if the spy is sapping it and someone else destroys it. Happened today while I was playing spy.

[@deerymoredeer]

Bless you for 3:21 I was so curious when you started throwing that at then engineer and wanted to see how it was with the 3 of them lmao

[@stevienitro]

So....basically all those times when I've been dealing with an enemy that's 1 shot away from dying, fucking dies by another scout and jarate combo.

[@XallModel0]

Dude I love your content you are awesome and i think you really deserve more subs. Keep growing (:

[@MariOfTheMountains]

You can also assist in killing a building if you have a sapper on it while it’s destroyed by something else.

[@charbomber110]

I love the awkward pause at the end of the intro part, like that's just asking to be taken out of context.

[@whammeister3002]

I've been wondering about this for a while, nice.

[@alexandredesouza3692]

You're editing is Godly.

[@_Kisaragi]

"if I shoot someone and they die, I'm the killer"

[@wileecoyotegenius5955]

Very informative video, I always wondered how assists worked.

[@sonofslop320]

Super interesting, keep up the great work

[@Goblinguy77]

This video looks clean asf the graphics are awesome

[@DEWILL]

Water + Jarate + Mad Milk + Gas ...Basically guacamole made out of TF2 effects?

[@foggyshades8338]

All in all, perfect video! The only think you forgot to mention is sappers on buildings. If a spy has sapped a building and it gets destroyed by someone else... That spy always get the destruction assist!

[@greasehardbody4018]

4:07 - Well, I guess that makes 1 total reason to use the Buff Banner over the other Soldier banners.

[@mewstiq]

omg, I didn't realize I had autoplay on and I just suddenly hear, "If I shoot someone and they die, I'm the killer".

[@memesmemes3143]

also -- as medic if you heal enemy spy and he gets a kill , you get assist for killing your own team mate !! lol