How Fast Can you Beat Pokemon Red/Blue with Just a Moltres?

It's a legendary Pokemon, it's gotta be one of the best right...? RIGHT???

[@latrodectusmactans7592]

Moltres is the Bruno of the legendary birds in Gen 1.

[@Manjustman_25806]

And zapdos is the Sabrina of the legendary birds, at least in terms of states and typing, and movepool

[@aceclover758]

Fire types were just fucked over (of the special types) 6 ways to Sunday. No resistance to ice For some freaking reason, flamethrower is not earned till level 50+ for unevolved Fire types except Charmander line.

[@Manjustman_25806]

@@aceclover758 yeah well the dragon type wasn’t any better their was one dragon type more that could only do 40 damage, and above that their was only 1 dragon type now while dragonite is an amazing Pokemon but even still only having one Pokemon for a type is just silly

[@aceclover758]

@@Manjustman_25806 Dragon types were far better aka Dragonite due to its many resistances to the common types and it can learn many TMs for coverage. Dragonite was in OU. No fire type but Moltres was in OU and even that struggled hard. Fun fact: there were no OU fire types in gen 2.

[@Manjustman_25806]

@@aceclover758 yeah but even still while dragonite was great the dragon type init of itself wasn’t plus dragonite was weak to electric rather then resisting it thanks to its flying type

[@phoenixchen1231]

Great. You don't have to press B button multiple times just to cancel evolution after each battle.

[@Alhalmeya]

get the everstone silly

[@phoenixchen1231]

@@Alhalmeya gen 1 doesn't have held item

[@BackpackBanjo]

@@phoenixchen1231 Whoosh

[@machina5]

@@BackpackBanjo That wasn't a whoosh

[@FixdalOK]

@@machina5 Seems like a woosh to me.

[@RealNameMe]

Remember everyone, it's not a Badge Boost Glitch. It's a Badge Boost Feature*.

[@radicalone2458]

And since it's Gen 1, very much yes.

[@radicalone2458]

@Lamar Davis You know, before I knew about JRose I didn't know about the glitch and after watching his vids, yeah, it kinda was a surprise mechanic.

[@j3s0n]

It subverts my expectations

[@brimstoner982]

yeah, a feature they added when they were coding and coincidentally taking meth at the same time.

[@FR099Y]

to be fair they really pushed the limits of the console with these gen 1 pokemon games. thats why all these item underflow glitches exist, bcuz they had nowhere left to store the data.

[@Spirit529]

"You'd think Bruno would be very tough" Literally nobody was thinking that.

[@ArtisChronicles]

If this were a later gen with better rock moves I'd find it a legitimate concern, but because it's gen 1 Bruno... Well I was right to think he'd have more trouble with Lorelei. Though Agatha really gave him trouble after that.

[@ArthurTRead]

@@ArtisChronicles a lot of challenges I've seen have had people have trouble with agatha She seems like the real true threat from what I've observed

[@Acacius1992]

Zapdos: *Nervous sweating* "Hehe... yeah about that...."

[@spindash64]

@@ArtisChronicles Gen IV bruno is honestly kinda scary if you don’t have Psychic STAB or a lot of SpA, since he has No Guard and Rock Slide, meaning Fly isn’t safe

[@dakotathomas2139]

Jrose:Pulls out Moltres Some kid with a nidoran: You should not have come here

[@Irmarinen]

Never should've come here!

[@MrPsyren99]

Irmarinen r/yourjokebutworse

[@Sealed_Chamber]

This gave me a good chuckle.

[@countbleck4026]

ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@dakotathomas2139]

I don't understand what's happening here lol

[@SeethingSimp]

With how many times you play through this, I guess that thing your Dad said about "never buying you another game again" 20+ years ago was serious

[@itsdiamondmike]

Maybe he wants to pretend it's still 1998 like I do - I only drink milk from that time period, which explains my daily hospital visits

[@Sealed_Chamber]

@@itsdiamondmike You must possess *UNLIMITED POWER.*

[@Jrose11]

Fun fact, my parents didn't really buy me many games as a kid which is why playing a game over and over in different ways became the norm for me. My favourite games growing up were Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, NHL video games; all of which can be played this way.

[@SeethingSimp]

@@Jrose11 I guess playing an old blocky NHL game this way would be pretty difficult when every player is indistinguishable from the other

[@thechannel3473]

Wait till gold and silver come into play

[@dogcesyng3210]

So a little ball of poisonous gas is better than a legendary bird on fire that is known to live in volcanoes

[@cubedmelons876]

Not just the ball of gas. The tadpole outclassed the “legendary” bird.

[@Ironclad_Calves]

I thought you were talking about Koffing at first. I just realized there are two different poisonous floating ball Pokémon in Gen 1

[@dogcesyng3210]

Oh sorry I forgot about our transparent tadpole

[@somehuman7482]

The spicy KFC chicken isn't so hot now huh?

[@Giondi]

In Kanto? Absolutely, Fire/Flying is a garbage type combination and Moltres has NO coverage.

[@Rainb0wzNstuff]

A level 51 Moltres: guys look at what I can do * leers* A level 10 ratata: oh cool I can do that to

[@danielropers6412]

well actually... it can't

[@ArtisChronicles]

You forgot the *wags tail* animation! You monster!

[@carternelson7977]

Too

[@bigmanharold1443]

We all know it's a glitch lol it should have learn fire blast like the other bird learning thunder and blizzard

[@logans.7932]

Gen 1: The games where it was acceptable for a Pokémon to learn Leer at level 51.

[@Alienldr]

I love golem learning harden at 29, despite learning defense curl early

[@parksyist]

I did a tauros run the other day. He learns take down in the 50s

[@bongosmcdongos4190]

I mean, you can't catch him below that level so what's the issue

[@baszko6152]

@@bongosmcdongos4190 It's still goddamn leer.

[@ShinyTillDawn]

In the later gens, you still have Omanyte learning leer at lv 31 which is still crazy to me

[@Walkerman379]

"You just know it's going to be smooth sailing, right?" *Looks at the timer and sees we're only 24 minutes in to a 54 minute video*

[@NoisyBones]

Articuno: I shall sap the warmth from the bodies of my foes, they will die as frigid homages to my power. Zapdos: I will call down plasma from the very sky, scorching the earth and leaving all who oppose me dead in the blink of an eye. Moltres: ILL TRY SPINNING, THATS A GOOD TRICK!!!!

[@AnimationEnthusiest]

This comment is the definition of gold

[@maximilianwonschik1304]

Beautifully said

[@aminadabbrulle8252]

I'll spin you right round, baby right round, like a record, baby, right round round round...

[@joshshrum2764]

Aminadab Brulle Ehehehehe

[@tradeka4206]

Beautiful comment right here 😂

[@mamoudou500]

a legendary flaming bird that heals injuries with lava can lose to a tiny little poison rat. ladies and gentlemen, this is pokemon at its finest.

[@quinncrypt_media]

Gen 1 Moltres is like Flareon: It has no moves

[@Reiyoski]

is that a pokemon talk reference

[@BoBz013]

the ps3 of pokemon

[@eavyeavy2864]

Wing attack Solarbeam

[@anthemofadam]

The problem with flareon is his stats: physical attack does nothing for a gen 1 fire pokemon since all fire moves are special

[@williamdoyle358]

Eavy Eavy those aren’t Tms in gen 1

[@S.s-29706]

When a legendary Pokemon is outclassed by gastly and poliwag.

[@dbz1064]

If moltres started out with flamethrower it would be better

[@Aliyah_666]

If by outclassed you mean with some modifications on moveset destroys those two

[@zenkichihitoyoshi9513]

"I didn't know opponents could suffer from the 1/256 glitch!" Neither did I, Jrose. Gen1 is held together with hopes and dreams

[@ShipwreckedMates]

What, my dreams?

[@ShipwreckedMates]

It was a joke, dude. A joke about my dreams being broken

[@penta_novae]

@@ShipwreckedMates That's so quirky and unique! I bet you're so funny irl!

[@_V.Va_]

Luna Moonlight Pretty shit joke.

[@InfernosReaper]

Apparently, the Masterball could also be affected, much to my dismay when it failed against Mewtwo the first time I ever used it. What an infuriating programming oversight

[@werisekk3]

So let me get this straight; a possessed cloud of gas, doing only the abolutely unavoidable and necessary is a better pick than a flaming bird that can turn the night sky red with a flap of its wings? _God_ I love gen 1.

[@caritahearts2405]

Don’t forget the tadpole

[@Dan978252]

You can tell this was a long one, at the final rival battle Jrose was calling the Rhydon a Rhyhorn.

[@reddragonair3147]

That or the rival's Rhydon just behaves like a Rhyhorn.

[@ArtisChronicles]

@@reddragonair3147 it devolved.

[@LordFartamor]

it happens to the best of us...

[@nicholasargiros1331]

One of my favourite parts of these videos and Mimic is seeing the attacks the other pokemon know. Executor with only three moves? Rhydon using tail wag? Golbat with Supersonic AND Confuse Ray? And finally, Agatha's lvl 60 Gengar knows dream eater, but no way of putting the pokemon to sleep. Gotta love gen 1 programmers

[@ScourgeTheGreat]

well, in most if not all of those cases, it's just they used the levelup moveset for that mon

[@MsAmber82]

@@ScourgeTheGreat But then you have Dragonite knowing barrier

[@darkblossom1618]

red and blue has very werid moves on trainer pokemon including gym leader and elite 4 it was fix in yellow and the remake

[@stompingpeak2043]

You gotta think the pokemon games were a huge project back in the day. It's not like now where they can make a new game in a year or so with only a few people. They literally had to make every mechanic from scratch and that's alot of work in the 90s

[@MrRowntree27]

@@stompingpeak2043 not to mention the incredible undertaking of fitting a game of this scale and depth onto a gameboy cartridge. People rag on the glitches in this game so much it's easy to forget how impressive it is that the game even existed

[@karotconcarne3325]

"Rock throw miss, fire spin miss, rock throw miss, fire spin miss..." I really, REALLY am looking forward to that Onix solo run.

[@Colteor7761]

27:10 this is the first recorded instance of this Blastoise actually using an attacking move at the right time, instead of 800 withdraws

[@biscuit2180]

withdraw = good move even when at +6 defense (according to blastoise)

[@Frog-ux5qu]

Blaine: _Laughs in Full Health Super potions_

[@gamesux420]

Sometimes you miss fire spin, And sometimes you misfire spin.

[@fadeemblem7665]

Honestly you should add Mewtwo and the birds to the tier list just for the hilarity of seeing Gastly legitimately ahead of Moltres. E: I am pleased to note that in the next video, Jrose did exactly this. And poor Moltres ended up behind not just Gastly, but Poliwag as well. Oh the humiliation.

[@jonolasco]

"This is a game changer! Except, not really, it's still Pokemon Blue." Best quote.

[@Pingvinicecream]

Imagine being Brock, going for another quiet normal day, when a kid shows up with moltres.

[@justanotheremptychannel2472]

And gets beaten, you would feel pretty badass

[@cubedmelons876]

Brock: *Tosses pebble at Moltres. Moltres dies.*

[@33dbz]

Any other legendary and this joke would work. But moltres kinda sucks. Horrible move pool, and not a good typing especially for gen 1

[@JosephQPublic]

@@33dbz - the joke still works; it’s still known as a, “legendary,” Pokémon and the lore still exists.

[@Moakmeister]

JRose11: Moltres is the worst Legendary Phione: allow me to introduce myself Also WHAT pokemon at level 51 tries to learn Leer

[@kaptainKrill]

Jrose has an old video on worst legendaries. Phione gets edged out by Regigigas

[@NexTJesS]

Moltres tried to look menacing at lv 51.

[@goluckybro902]

IOnlyDrinkJesusMilk no it’s not you breed manaphy to get it

[@shiftfire4511]

@@goluckybro902 Eh, it's technically a Mythical. Manaphy is a mythical, so breeding a mythical gets you a mythical. The worst Mythical, but even then not the worst Legendary. I fully agree with Regigigas being the worst because that ABILITY man! Halved speed and attack for FIVE TURNS from being sent out!? And every time it switches back in? For those five turns, it has the same offensive power as Phione while being much slower and only somewhat more bulky. Regigigas just can't survive the five CONSECUTIVE turns it needs to be out to make use of it's 160 base attack. Your only hope is to go through hoops to try and either swap or nullify Slow Start. At least Phione has a helpful ability rather than one that breaks your own ankle.

[@jeffmatrachisia3827]

The legendary one. The legendary learns leer at level 51.

[@zwill6839]

I've never seen Moltres' level-up moveset in these games until now, and the fact that this thing doesn't learn Flamethrower is the most ludicrous thing I've ever seen and this has given me a headache now

[@theTweak0284]

For those who don't know, the Badge Boost Glitch is a reference to an oversight in the code for Pokemon Red and Blue (I think also Yellow, but I am unsure) that reapplies the stat boosting from gym badges whenever a stat affecting move goes off in battle. So for example, if you have the badge that increases Special by 12.5%, and then you use Agility, then your speed increases and your Special increases by that original 12.5% again (additive, not multiplicative). This also happen if the stat affecting move is negative (like growl) Edit: The BBG does not affect stats that were brought down so in the above growl example, Attack would not increase by 12.5%

[@beta511ee4]

Actually, negative stat changes DO trigger the glitch. JRose has gone over it in past videos.

[@Begeru]

It does happen from enemy stats attacks like growl and leer.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@beta511ee4 Yes, but it does not grant the badge boost benefits to the stat that was specifically lowered.

[@kulrigalestout]

Me: It's getting late, I'm tired, I gotta work tomorrow, better go to - Jrose11: *uploads* Me: ... the kitchen to make some popcorn!

[@thenerdbeast7375]

I was filled with dread seeing Moltres couldn't even learn flamethrower or even ember, no wonder you said Molres needed its own video!

[@Flaris]

Poor Moltres. A legendary fire pokemon and can't even learn a basic fire move like ember.

[@foggernaut8876]

Genuinely surprised you didn’t attempt a toxic strategy.

[@mme.veronica735]

Was Toxic in the learn set?

[@foggernaut8876]

In gen 1 every Pokemon that can learn TMs can learn Toxic.

[@ScourgeTheGreat]

@@foggernaut8876 in every gen except 8, when they messed everything up

[@Pepito_Sanchez]

When he said "Okay, maybe Fire Spin?" I felt that 😔

[@levibentley6667]

Want to see how bad Moltres's moveset problem is? At level 51, Articuno learns Blizzard (which was WAY better back in gen 1, plus it starts with Ice Beam, which is always a great move to have) At level 51, Zapdos learns Thunder (which wasn't as good as Blizzard in gen 1 with its 70 accuracy, but given Zapdos's great Special, still did a lot of damage if it did hit anything that was not a ground-type; it also learns Thunderbolt via TM, and starts with Drill Peck). At level 51, Moltres learns Leer-a move that most pokemon learn before level 10. (It does learn Fire Blast by TM, Fly by HM, and Sky Attack at level 60, but that's practically it).

[@james_ford86]

People crap on Sky Attack, and I get it, it's a two-turn move without the semi-invulnerability that fly gives you. But, outside of solo runs, it's actually a very powerful move, the most powerful flying move in the game in fact. I pretty much always let my flying pokemon learn it. The ones that can anyway. You just never know when that extra 70 base power (fly was 70 base power in Gen 1, while Sky Attack was 140 and still is today) is going to come in handy. It's especially helpful when you know your opponent is unable to move, i.e. sleep, recharge, etc. This move was really handy on Pidgeot in the early gens, especially considering that Pidgeot needed all the base power it could get due to it's painfully average attack stat. Couple Sky Attack with Sand-Attack or Double Team and Pidgeot was pretty deadly compared to Pidgeots that didn't use those moves. I was one of the few people back in the Gen I and II (I transferred my R/B/Y Pidgeot to G/S/C) meta that actually occasionally ran a Pidgeot like that on my competitive teams. People would snicker when I threw it out, thinking I was running the typical Fly, Mirror Move, Agility, Sand Attack set a lot of noobs tried to run back then. They'd quickly realize after a couple of double teams they weren't dealing with your average Pidgeot. I got quite a few surprise knockouts using it as I loved to switch it in on Snorlax during rest or Chansey/Blissey after putting it to sleep. It was also great as a lead when I knew the opponent was going to lead out with a set up pokemon. By the time they realized what I was doing with the double teams, Pidgeot was already starting to wreck their team. Did I sweep with it? Rarely, and only against noobs. But even against good competitive battlers, I'd usually get at least 2 knockouts out of it before it went down. That's pretty good for an un-tiered bird pokemon everyone says is weak. I'm simply saying that almost every move in the game can be effective if used with a good strategy to back it up.

[@Begeru]

There are so many head-scratching decisions in these gen I games. Like did they just forget to let Moltres learn a good fire move?

[@ScourgeTheGreat]

@@Begeru Apparently, it was intended to learn fire blast, but a gamefreak programmer messed something up and gave it leer instead

[@zoruafox7512]

Jacob to be fair the only reason to use fire types at all gen 1 is fire spin. Fire type sucked before steel type existed ( bug types sucked gen 1 and carrying a fire type just for executor sucks considering the multiple dual water psychic compared to the one due grass psychic ) And moltress gets that really early. Ninetales is the best spin user though gen 1 ( it’s tied for the highest speed spin user and has the highest special attack of those mons)

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

@@Begeru Just use Fire Blast tm on Moltres and use a couple of max pp. Here you go, the best fire type by far in the game.

[@robinbrown6530]

Ah, the old flaming chicken. The legendary that was worse than Charizard. GOOD OLD GEN 1! :P

[@justanotheremptychannel2472]

Well, Charizard had to have something good in his favour

[@dbz1064]

Moltres is actually better, in the late game at least. It has much better stats, and once it has fire blast it’s truly a force to be reckoned with

[@beta511ee4]

@@dbz1064 That said, Charizard does have Swords Dance and Earthquake for improved coverage.

[@berniegores3793]

Good lord, you actually did it. I recommended this at the start of the series because of the move pool being so crap, would make it a gimmick run for diversity

[@Jrose11]

Honestly one of the worst I've dealt with yet. It's so unforgiving.

[@Jrose11]

That's not possible, other Pokemon use moves like Leer all the time, do I reset when that happens? Where would the line be drawn?

[@berniegores3793]

Even with those base stats, you have my respect for going through it, you madlad. If you ever are insane enough for weedle, you'll get a patron out of it from me

[@maninthetrenchcoat5603]

@@DukeSR8 Or or, hear me out, just let him play how he wants.

[@mathchessdnd]

@@DukeSR8 The thing is, how does anyone know whether the other stat boosts mattered when using Agility for the speed? It's better to think of stat moves as granting a little of every stat plus a lot of one stat. I think the fairest way to eliminate the badge boost glitch is to ban all stat-enhancing moves after the first statboost badge. But if the opponent uses them, that's okay, because it's beneficial in the same way misses or crits are beneficial: it's luck and it's out of the player's control. And let him play how he wants.

[@ponerossuchus7481]

This is wild to me because like, as a kid I swear I solo'd the entire e4 with Moltres as a fresh 50. I must have reached Pokemon masterhood at a young age, or else it was Zapdos and I've been crediting the wrong bird all these years.

[@cubedmelons876]

Maybe you fire spin savescummed your way through.

[@MrCharrrles]

with items maybe

[@shuckle9529]

Wasnt it FRLG?

[@reddragonair3147]

As a kid you probably also saved between the Elite Four members, right?

[@pokemaniac333]

Saving between members and being able to use items in battle REALLY helps. These are both disallowed in JRose's videos.

[@salamander4338]

If you throw a pebble at moltres it would just die right there

[@Nahkriin-jb4cs]

I was about to go to sleep but now I gotta watch haha

[@me30000]

Same

[@davidz.8483]

Same

[@beanweeb5343]

Same

[@kayere9771]

You trying to keep up with several youtubers upload schedule

[@deealmightiest1816]

Its funny cause Jrose always uploads when i need help sleeping and these videos put me right to bed. Then i watch it in the morning again.

[@xdarkangerx7601]

23:27 "Critical hits are always helpful" Except for when they're not. Man Gen 1 was weird.

[@AndiousWandarier]

I like how the rival's named "Cinco" clearly as a reference to "rival fival" (and as to how the legendary birds are named).

[@jaeusa160]

"It's gonna be smooth sailing from here on out, right?" [60% of the video remains] I feel like that might have been sarcastic...

[@kenkad224735]

Jrose I missed you!!! I know you were only gone for like a week lol but i am so obsessed with this series and this video was SO worth the wait. I literally died with laughter seeing that hydro pump crit and then your "ok maybe fire blast? ok maybe fire spin? ok maybe fire spin?". amazing as always keep up the great work !!!

[@wileycoyote4737]

Looking forward to when he tries Bellsprout. Started doing some of these challenges alongside these vids a few months back, and Bellsprout is possible at minimum battles. I wonder how he'll find it compared to Gastly

[@nihildwo4874]

i mean seems reasonable to think this way since bellsprout for most part is better bulbasaur without bodyslam. this can backfire though since it is slower, more physcially frail and has to rely on double edge as normal coverage move (i mean better than take down acid and slam). granted he can prolly cheese some stuff by mimicing special moves *cough* dream eater vs agatha. you actually completed bellsprout on minimum battles to be so confident about it?

[@stevebiffleur]

@@nihildwo4874 Wouldn't have thought about getting Dream Eater from Mimic, but that sounds like genius! Feels so good to imagine beating her at her own game.

[@bongosmcdongos4190]

I want to see venonat. Mostly bc I have never used one.

[@OmegaTyrant]

@@nihildwo4874 Not getting Body Slam won't really matter and the slightly less Speed is negligible, when it gets Growth and Sleep Powder so much earlier than Bulbasaur did. Plus it gets Wrap (while badge boosting with Growth will allow it to outspeed everything), and with Mega Drain you can get back the health you lose from Double Edge if you choose to use that move for physical coverage instead. I haven't played Bellsprout yet, but I managed to almost do a minimum battles + no rare candies run with Bulbasaur, and only had to do one extra battle because a trainer blocks Body Slam, while I couldn't beat Rival 3 without it. So minimum battles should certainly be doable with Bellsprout when it outclasses Bulbasaur.

[@wileycoyote4737]

@@nihildwo4874 Correct, I did complete on minimum battles. Went looking through my screenshots to find the particular details. Finished at level 63 with Mega Drain, Take Down, Growth and Sleep Powder. Starting with Growth and Vine Whip from the get go is a massive boon, as the early game is a complete breeze - Brock, Misty, and Surge are all jokes, and you resist Erika's STAB. While you do learn Razor Leaf into the midgame, Mega Drain is much better as you don't want the increased crit rate from Razor Leaf since it messes with Growth. No access to Body Slam does suck, and I would have preferred Double Edge over Take Down, but it's locked behind a Rocket Grunt in Celadon. Bellsprout's poison typing is also super useful against some Smart AI trainers, namely Lance. Lorelei is a coin flip with her AI, as she'll either go for Aurora Beam or Rest, but worst case you can still tank her hit, put her to sleep and Growth up. Mega Drain regen plus badge boost buffs means you're pretty much not dying outside of a crit, though Lapras is still scary. Agatha is, predictably, the biggest pain with her randomness, but still not terrible. I did end up using all the rare candies I came across for the E4, so I'm wondering if it's possible to achieve it at a lower level with Mimic strats and such. If you all want, I can upload my finishing screenshots from the Hall of Fame, plus stats and moveset and link them? Here's hoping he can manage at a lower level than I, but I can at least confirm minimum battles is VERY possible at a reasonable level. Borderline Gastly levels, but that's my opinion. EDIT: Another note after looking over my screenshots. My finishing time IGT at Hall of Fame was 4:37, and this time was not optimised IMO. Gastly came in at a time of 4:35. I think it's reasonable to assume this time can be beaten, it's just up to @Jrose11 to try it!

[@X-V1L3]

If Dratini can't outrank Gastly, we're gonna have to unlock the next weapon... STARYU. And yes, I know Minimal battles is not happening with it because it only starts with Tackle, but you could perhaps beat the game at a lower time than Gastly with it.

[@vgpharaoh1344]

its no secret weapon. staryu's opening movepool is tackle only till 17. staryu doesnt have a chance at beating brock fast and without that it cannot overthrow the dark overlord that is gastly

[@kleptrep94]

Oh god the first 3 gyms are rock, water and electric.

[@zLipz666]

Cant wait to see mah-dry-breads Count impression

[@Peganzez]

Love the variety with these new runs, keep it up man

[@DemBigOlEyes]

I never knew Jrose was in Sesame Street. Gives my childhood more value now.

[@InciniumVGC]

I remember when I was a kid I got a GameShark and hacked every legendary into the game at level 1 and leveled them up to see what they would get and at what level... so I kinda already knew how well Moltres was gonna go from seeing the title of this video.

[@IvyLeather13]

Your Count is unironically good. Especially your inflection on the "two". Your guttural vowels make it work well.

[@lukeurbin7037]

I love it, it’s another thing associated with Jrose like “rival fiveal” (which is adorable lol)

[@Sam-oz8pn]

Omg he actually did the legendary birds!!

[@Jrose11]

I mean I wanted to do all three in one video but then Moltres here had to ruin it 😅

[@ShinyTillDawn]

MolTRASH had to ruin it!

[@zedantXiang]

They are called the legendary Birbs

[@onetwothreefour3957]

Shiny Till Dawn i know, right? even as a 6-7 year old i already knew that moltres is absolute trash for a legendary birb

[@danieldvir]

Awesome vid, thank you Jrose! You forgot to rank Moltres.

[@Slop_Dogg]

When it’s less than halfway through a video & he’s already got all eight badges, you know it’s going to be a nightmare E4 run

[@cubedmelons876]

Regigigas: I’m the worst legendary to ever exist! Gen 1 Moltres: *Hold my beer*

[@thundercracker07]

Porygon would be a cool one to do

[@biscuit2180]

this

[@Frog-ux5qu]

Can you beat Red/Blue with the most expensive pokemon?

[@poppyzink]

I appreciate the palette variety

[@Amandamakes1]

“Rival fival” IS adorable and I will fight for that

[@DokuDoko]

These are pretty much alternative speedruns at this point. You should put a game timer in the video, like speedrunners do

[@Annadog40]

These aren't live streams so it wouldn't work

[@shuckle9529]

But he uses speedrun and counts in game timer so it makes no sense

[@brimbroomhim2575]

That crit ending is absolutely hilarious

[@justanotheremptychannel2472]

The commentary I was looking for

[@SanMartianRover]

From the bottom of my nostalgic heart, thank you for making this series of videos. I subbed a while back and I've been so happy each time I see a new video posted from Gen 1 Pokemon. Wholesome content.

[@justanotheremptychannel2472]

This series is just perfect

[@eggsbenedict8562]

While Flamethrower isn't technically a TM in Generation 2, it can be learned by speaking to a person outside of the game corner for a lot of coins on a certain day of the week. So it is a move tutor move.

[@LcFan96]

so basically at the start: if its not 100% accuracy, its 50% accuracy

[@auraicide4883]

You might make fun of the Blastoise hiding in it's shell, but really, after it getting constantly beaten up from all these Jrose runs, it's just common sense.

[@AzureKite]

Moltres is kinda ass. Hoping for the Zapdos video, though. Zapdos is amazing.

[@MishKoz]

Getting past Brock would still be a lil difficult

[@STNJ_YT]

@@skullzchief8428 youd be surprised drill peck does a lot of damage

[@reddragonair3147]

Zapdos isn't going to be much better, if any. There are a ton of Electric and Ground types that Zapdos can just barely touch, and is probably worse than Moltres. Thunderbolt and Drill Peck early on are nice, but don't have the greatest coverage.

[@ShinyTillDawn]

Zapdos doesn't have access to HP grass yet.

[@Begeru]

Reddragonair 3 Against pure Ground Zapdos has no issues but against rock/ground will be a problem.

[@oatmeal0]

It’s shocks me how little moves Pokemon learned by level up back then. When I first saw Gen 1 I thought it was a joke. Little to know, it was one of the most successful games of the late 90’s. And thanks to you, Jrose. I’ve been gradually getting closer with Gen 1, despite how broken they may seem. Best content I’ll probably ever seen during quarantine, thanks man, and good luck on your next run.

[@bridgeseller7004]

This continued till gen 4. Leafeon learns Leaf Blade at lvl 70+ I think.

[@devent10n]

@@bridgeseller7004 it's something absurd like that, but all the eeveelutions have been shafted by their level up moves tbh.

[@youtube-kit9450]

The first 4 gens infamously made pokémon learn good moves super late, or not at all. Opponent pokémon are absolutely laughably weak in gen 1 and the A.I. is uselessly stupid, but the programmers basically just compensated for that with baiting you into building an actual team of six instead of focusing on 2, maximum 3 pokés to raise.

[@dragonspight]

I'm usually a bit surprised that you don't take advantage of toxic, but in this case, I'm especially surprised. It would have sped up some of the fights in this run, such as Sabrina's Alakazam and any blastoise. The moltres move pool (and especially lack thereof) really would have worked out well, between Fire Spin and Fly for stalling.

[@user-ni7ui1nk8p]

38:21 I was literally thinking of falco and I prefer the air when he used fly and two seconds later he makes the reference that I was thinking about damn son.

[@lukegeer4864]

I love these long videos. The in depth breakdown is fantastic. It sets you apart from the others.

[@d-n539]

49:00 , Wow, I did not expected that. That's incredible how I love the way you narrate your videos Jrose11. I can't wait to see the other runs with the legendary birds.

[@djkates1916]

Wow, Moltres really did get shafted in Gen 1 compared to Articuno and Zapdos. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Zapdos can probably pull off minimum battles without too much trouble. It's considered one of the best (non-Uber) Pokemon in competitive Gen 1 for a reason, and has good moves for both of its types along with the stats to use them well. Articuno might be slightly harder than Zapdos, but still expecting it to be a lot easier than Moltres, especially with Blizzard's high accuracy in Gen 1 (compared to later gens).

[@Sam-oz8pn]

You know Brock is a thing right?

[@djkates1916]

@@Sam-oz8pn Yes, the Zapdos video showed me the error of that statement.

[@emblemblade9245]

And Bruno lmao

[@youtube-kit9450]

Always got to account for the Brock Wall. Hence why I'd really be interested in Jrose, once he finishes the series, makes two separate splits for the runs - one total time, one purely post-Brock just to show how much Brocks shafts certain pokémon.@@djkates1916

[@pupper5580]

Zapdos is incredible. Only pokemon I see causing him problems (in competitive setting) are Snorlax, Tauros, Sandslash, and Mewtwo. Snorlax is too tanky and able to blast blizzards (or rock slides). Tauros is fast, high crit rate, and able to blast blizzards. Sandslash has high defense, high attack, and ability to do rock slides - Zapdos can't deal with him - but Sandslash is not a meta pokemon. Mewtwo is well Mewtwo - not sure if Mewtwo's movepool includes blizzard/icebeam, or is thunderbolt preferred. Why I don't include Articuno in problems is cause Zapdos is faster while both do 2x damage to each other. Jynx loses because of low stats, taken out by drill-pecks. Chansey learns blizzard and is high special attack and high hp, but I'm guessing Zapdoses physical attacks can take care of her (needs testing). Dugtrio is squishy, but high speed and high crit rate can cause problems. Incredible moveset - can deal with any pokemon type except rock+ground (but rock+ground sucks because water does 4x damage). Only defensive type-weaknesses are ice and rock - while most pokemon who learn ice moves are weak to electric, and rock slide has low damage and low accuracy, while only rock types (rock type doing rock slide gives 50% bonus damage) are rock+ground, who like I said earlier, sucks.

[@AndrooTheNerd]

That Count impression is legitimately spot on dude. It’s getting even better!

[@lucasgarcia8285]

I think it’s cringey but I love that everyone else loves it and Jrose is obviously enjoying himself when he does it lol!!

[@appleando752]

At this point, you might as well cover all first form AND all single form pokemon.

[@Jrose11]

I'm not saying I won't, but I'm def not gonna promise that I will. There are just so many other games/Pokemon I want to cover.

[@dropinota]

@@Jrose11 I wouldn't be against you playing on an emulator with speed up if it meant you'd be able to put out content faster.

[@cubedmelons876]

Yeah, this run really shows that just because a pokemon is final form (or even legendary), doesn’t mean it can outperforn a little ball of gas or a tadpole.

[@TheHadMatters]

@@dropinota I think he would be against it. The persistence (I say persistence because that's the exercise it boils down to, but it really seems to be more like 'the joyful, true experience of making it through a complete Pokémon run' to him) during the easy parts and the focus on strategy during the tougher parts appears to be what makes the challenge engaging to him.

[@theone825]

Laetitian Madhatter @dost jrose has mentioned in multiple videos that he plays on a console with speed up capability. He even says in the video there’s a difference between in game time and real time because of the speed up

[@sockpuppetqueen]

Hey man I've never seen anyone comment on this but I LOVE that you use the pokemon conquest soundtrack in the background of your videos, because I've been replaying it lately, and omg that soundtrack slaps, and also that game was super freaking good??? Anyway uh, yeah, I just think that's neat.

[@thsand5032]

"Oh no, a jrose video. That means there won't be a jrose video tomorrow :(" - my brain upon seeing the vid. I'm addicted to your content to the point that the first thing I think when a vid pops up is that it's going to be a "long" time before the next one.

[@ORGANISM44]

Glad to see everything worked out, and what a great run to watch. Also I can't wait for the Gen 2 runs Gen 2 is my all time favorite

[@bongosmcdongos4190]

Same I want to see pineco.

[@katha-chan3410]

The first half of this run in a nutshell: 'I should've used Peck' /Jrose beats Giovanni /me checks how much of the video is still left Me. Oh... OOOOOH DEAR

[@alfredmedina9271]

About to watch your completely insane Feebas run for the fourth time, when I get the notification that a new run has been uploaded. Priceless, just friggin' priceless.

[@BeIlG]

another amazing video. I remember the 1 video a year days. Thank God you post so often now!!!! Thank you! I am enjoying!

[@judylwbidoov4195]

Lame guy move: skip the ad at the beginning of the video Cool guy move: watch the whole ad so that Jrose gets some money for it

[@FernandoRafaelNogueiraReis]

Ah, yes. Amazing way to show just how much Gen 1 hates my favourite type (Fire). Competitive trashes on my second choice: Ice.

[@TheJohnnyjack10]

I mean... Gen 4 only has 3 fire types and 1 is a starter 😂

[@radicalone2458]

@@TheJohnnyjack10 Chimchar line, Ponyta line and....? You thinking about Diamond and Pearl?

[@AnglosArentHuman]

@@radicalone2458 Magmar line and Heatran

[@radicalone2458]

@@AnglosArentHuman Ah yes, forgot about those. Well, mostly Heatran since it's post game. But, man Sinnoh lacks firepower.

[@reddragonair3147]

At least in Generation I Ice was amazing. Blizzard was arguably the best attack competitively, and there were four common Ice Pokemon in OU out of five. Dewgong wasn't even terrible.

[@jopi24johannes]

You are awesome, watching your videos is one of the most relaxing things i can do for myself.

[@willbowden6897]

Keep up the great content Jrose! Glad to see you able to do this as a business now! You deserve it

[@bugcatcher8989]

Seriously loving these vids, Giovanni will rise again!

[@Pyxis10]

**gigglesnort**

[@jj209th6]

I would love to see a side run of moltres with flamethrower. Easily save over 45 minutes

[@pupper5580]

I don't think Moltres can learn flamethrower. That's another reason in a list of many that makes it such an awful pokemon.

[@jj209th6]

@pupper5580 It can't normally, because flamethrower isn't a TM in gen 1, but a run where a moltres is modded to have flamethrower at level 1 instead of ember is what I meant Probably not a run JRose would do, but he has tried out other mods, so it might be interesting

[@wubilicious4158]

I'm glad you do other runs with pokemon that aren't unevolved pokemon for the 53 part, seeing stuff like this is always a shift in gears. Thanks Jrose11

[@TheSeriousCat]

i love that you tried to give us the best of what Moltres can offer but it's probably the worst on the 3 legendary bird. Can't wait to find out if it's really the case ! Thanks for the content, awesome as usual :)

[@jacob5169]

Honestly, I wish the legendaries were put on the tier list. I think it'd be fun to shame particularly atrocious ones like this one. I can understand not wanting to clog the upper tiers with these guys though.

[@ryanmuller9497]

I'd like to see a side bar with the tier list showing the legendaries for comparison. It's obviously not a fair comparison to actually include them in the main tier list, but it certainly makes for an interesting side by side to know that something like Gastly is so good that it vastly outperforms Moltres, but it's still a long way behind Mewtwo.

[@Ultimaximus]

Fascinatingly, the tier list has a huge gap between Poliwag's lvl 60 4:45 and Bulbasaur's lvl 69 6:32, and that makes it clear that Moltres's lvl 66 5:23 is between them

[@Cubeforc3]

They should be in the tier list imo. If some end up on top then so be it. They're legendaries with high stats so people can figure out why they're in the higher tiers.

[@ryanmuller9497]

@@Cubeforc3 The thing is that they're a different category of challenge - the original challenge was to test all of the Pokemon that could evolve but haven't, not simply all Pokemon that are first stage. The challenge could be extended to all first stage Pokemon but, unless Jrose wants to do that, listing any legendaries he does in a side bar (in tiered order) seems like the best compromise.

[@bongosmcdongos4190]

@@Ultimaximus thank you

[@ATADSP]

Loved the video, missed the teir list at the end though. That was a wild run! Great work!

[@bongosmcdongos4190]

Someone else worked it out, it's beneath Bulbasaur but above (I think) poliwag

[@rojopantalones9791]

Always makes my day to see you've uploaded a new video. They're oddly calming and help me relax at the end of the day.

[@dummy_professional]

That's was a damn good impression of count. I was shocked. Bruno was my favourite battle thanks to that. Awesome video again dude

[@TheHadMatters]

It's not the gambler's fallacy if it already happened and you go: "Yeah, on average, I guess it makes sense that I got unlucky a few times, since there were other times that I got lucky." It would be the gambler's fallacy if you said it *before* it works out fully like that, i.e.: "I just won three times in a row, so I'll probably be very likely to lose now."

[@xXJ4FARGAMERXx]

What _IS_ the gambler's fallacy Anyway?

[@xXJ4FARGAMERXx]

WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT....... You can make _italic text_ with _ before and after the text? _OMG MOM I DISCOVERED SOMETHING NEW, GET THE CAMERA!!!_

[@jumpinjeff1709]

Basically its the idea that because something hasn’t happened yet and you’ve done it X amount of times, it should happen now. In reality the chance of something stays the same regardless of how often you’ve attempted something. محمد جعفر /Jafar

[@cassatan5318]

@@jumpinjeff1709 If something has a 1/9 chance to happen, let's say a crit, you repeat your attack 9 times, of course it stays at a chance of 1/9 and doesn't become a 9/9 chance for the next try to happen, but it's it becomes unlikely that it won't happen in the near future. If you repeat your attack often enough, it becomes pretty much mathematically impossible that it won't crit even though the chance to crit per attack stays the same

[@TheHadMatters]

@@cassatan5318 That's incorrect. After the previous attacks have happened, the past events no longer have any relevance to the future results. You have to think about them as already tallied - no longer relevant for the probability of the average or total outcome. What about the crit you described failing makes it more likely to occur than tails after it's landed on The real world isn't *influenced* by probability, it's *predicted* by it. But after an event of a certain probability has happened, the significance of the probability for the real world ceases to exist, because that one event has already been ascribed a 100% factual outcome of probability. The only situation where your assesment applies is *BEFORE* any of those events take place. I.e. if you wonder about how likely it is that a crit will miss 10 times in a row, the first 9 outcomes do interact with the probability of the final throw in assessing the total probability of 0 crits (that's why you multiply in the caluclation of probability.) But once you start hitting and looking for crits, that significance is extinguished with each result that comes in. (Excempting, of course, conditional probability in video games. Some games like League of Legends have RNG code that makes sure the RNG isn't too unfair, and won't have unlikely results, such as crits or failed crits repeating in a single interval)

[@ScReamOut93]

9:51 might not be an amazing legendary but the gen 1 sprite was badass.

[@peebo_smeebly]

Hey man, thanks for helping me relax at night. You are the only real gamer.

[@eduardohernandez146]

I think if any stage 1 pokemon were to surpass gastly It would be bellsprout, so I'm looking forward to whenever that video comes out. Either way it's always a joy to see another upload from you, keep up the great work

[@frankfort332]

There is slowpoke with gen 1 amnesia. I think it'll take it

[@AlanNess]

I love that mimic psychic play to bypass Blastoise's high physical defense, awesome

[@cam3626]

I can just imagine the trainer smashing down Moltres like Kazooie

[@Raiga345]

38:20 XDDD perfect. This witty commentary is exactly why i subbed.

[@finalshade8592]

Pokemon Conquest music makes me happy every time

[@AaronWebber9]

I appreciate the effort you put into this series, I enjoy watching these before I go to bed. I also never get tired of that conquest music. The poison kingdom was my favorite track personally.

[@Mokey_MokeyLordofPuns]

I really hope the Articuno goes well, I hate it when people crap on Articuno is my fav legendary

[@frankfort332]

Well it does have gen one blizzard

[@petelee2477]

@@frankfort332 and like the Mewtwo run he's not going to teach it to Articuno until he starts losing battles. Also lucky for you Articuno was actually good in gen 1. In the gen 7(none of them are in gen 8 yet) meta Zapdos is really the only bird in OU. Moltres is outclasses by mega Charizard Y, victini, volcerona, and even talenflame while Articuno suffers from its awful typing.

[@elirantuil5003]

@@petelee2477 didn't talonflame become basically useless in gen VII?

[@cubedmelons876]

Articuno was actually good in gen 1. There was no Stone Edge, no Stealth Rock, no Steel type, and Fire didn’t resist Ice.

[@OmegaTyrant]

Also in Gen 1 Special was one stat, so Articuno was actually offensively very powerful, which works well with its offensive typing and Gen 1 Blizzard. Its typing and movepool still gives it a lot of issues though, making it not too great among fully-evolved pokemon, and Lorelei is going to be such a slog of a fight for it, but it should certainly do a lot better than Moltres and it'll have an outside shot at minimum battles (I don't think Lorelei will be possible at minimum battles, but with a lot of luck it might be).

[@seanmcdonnell195]

I love these videos. I play the playlist on repeat in the background while I play through my games lol

[@emoliounderscore]

Glad to see you uploading after KZbin fucked up, keep up the good work