How good are Byzantine monks now? (2x healing)

[@TheJamesHyndman]

Everyone's having fun until that sneaky mangonel crushes your field medic monks in 1 shot

[@stooge_mobile]

Y'all need sanctity

[@andrewk.5575]

*Laughs in Aztec*

[@MP-oh9lt]

Get your 800 elo butt out of here

[@planescaped]

_Mangonel peers out shiftily from a row of hedges_

[@SchrodingerMil]

That’s why you get missionaries and micro them.

[@chingamfong]

Teutonic monks with a Byzantine ally is going to be op now. They can heal from 2x the distance with 2x the rate.

[@monkeyorful]

Also Teutonic units has additional armor which helps making fights longer. Other of the requirements for good monk value.

[@teutonichealingfortress]

29 teuts, 20 hands, 11 monks - square form, stand ground +byz ally and support units ftw

[@CrnaStrela]

@@teutonichealingfortress mongols drill siege peeking from the side

[@CreepSoldier]

What if the Byzantine Monk have a Berserker friend?

[@alisirkeci4135]

Archer is all we neeeed

[@JaiRapter]

Scary thing to think about is that when age of kings first came out Byzantine monks healed 200% faster! While set down to 50% when the conquerers came out, they must have been very scary back then

[@connormako1987]

That's some deep knowledge

[@ionracas8743]

There's also the consideration that most players either retreat from monks in the first place or they'll rush them down. Their healing means nothing if they can't do any healing in the first place.

[@DoubleBob]

Palisades! Give it a try. It's hilarious.

[@warbreakr]

don't forget that they would use both coverting - and healing

[@janruudschutrups9382]

In "stand ground" and "box formation" with a good range of melee units supplemented with skirms and hand cannoneers all protecting the monks (and with Bohemian Hussite Wagons shielding all units, it's even better!) monks can really increase their battlefield survivability. Mangonels and scorpions are obvious counters to such static formations so I always use light cavalry on the flanks and include a few bombard cannon in the square itself (again, protected by the other units) to counter them when my square formation of pike and shot (and monks :D) are within range. Safe for the Hussite wagon this applies to Byzantines as well. It doesn't always work out (depending on the other player's tactics) but when it does it's pretty damn cool :D.

[@eget4144]

Who will win: byzantines with monks or french paladins? I bet my money on byzantines. Byzantine player will try to convert while catas act as wall of meat. French player must accepting losing few paladins to conversitons. Byzantine monk bonus will active adter converting: enemy paladins have to kill monks even after conversion. This will give byantine catas more time to freely atack paladins. If french paladins wont kill monks after conversion, they will lose anyways.

[@suddenllybah]

Yeah, in terms of best units to kill, monks are up there. High resource to hp ratio with no armor, so parity can't negate your opponent upgrading arrows/swords

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

Funny enough, this is *still* an overall nerf to the Byzantines, who used to have a 300% healing rate on monks in the original Age of Kings CD.

[@Trebla-ih7mm]

Pretty minor buff that can impact the game in a meaningful way if used correctly. Great video SOTL , nice touch with to the video by not missing byzantine discount value , keep up the good work !

[@_antares031]

What a great change for the glorious Aztecs-Byzantines Alliance 👏

[@jcpkill1175]

There is two other factors that should be noted, the impact of the inevitable conversion the monk would do in the fight & the impact of the opponent diverting a portion of their army to a suicide charge against the monks resulting in a lot of extra hits taken for the value of the monk. The healing factor doesn't exist in a bubble here, it exists alongside these utilities.

[@fdlman93092]

The Byzantines... everyone's favorite "almost, kinda good, super powerful late game, need a few more minutes, pretty good navy, almost ready to push, civ".

[@donutkanaal]

I would be offended if it weren't so damn true 😢

[@robdenini6972]

I like how it's simply not possible to talk about the Byzantines without going on about the cataphract. Every UU should be this important to a civ identity imo.

[@erwinciam1812]

Yeah. Elite Cataphract Will be always be compared to FU Paladin. It Will be always their main unit to go, if you're not going to use arbalest+halberdier and siege combo in the late game.

[@MrAbgeBrandt]

In competetive multiplayer cataphracts don't actually get that attention, so your assumption is incorrect. Mangudai on the other hand...

[@eget4144]

@@MrAbgeBrandt devs want to buff inf so I think catas will shine sooner or later

[@Asterix958]

@@eget4144 Cataphract has 2 big problem, it is too expensive + too weak against archers. Cata need 1 PA no matter what, in return trample damage decrease from 5 to 4 attack and effect Byzantines Paladin as well.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@Asterix958 If this is what's wrong with Cataphracts, then how bad are Memelukes lol? xD

[@Tobbzn]

Your monks weren't being microed and the AI targeting apparently stops healing units that are already being healed by other monks. Some of those fights were close enough that I think focus-healing the last few units would in fact have swung the fight in favor of the monk side.

[@teutonichealingfortress]

Byzantine ally: Teutons: 29 Teutonic knights, 20 hand canoneers, 11 monks - square formation, stand ground - each monk will individually heal a unit automatically as if 3 normal monks were to focus their heals on a single unit while having the ability to convert and heal from safety vs most melee units - Alternative fast version: 29 Paladins, 20 conquistadors, 11 missionaries, square formation, stand ground - faster conversions/swift enter and retreat in key battle areas. Would also do well with a Byzantine ally.

[@DJTrulin]

LMAO @ name

[@teutonichealingfortress]

@@DJTrulin there's a few of my games over on poop lord's channel under the playlist 'Teutonic Fortress' if you'd like to check it out

[@jiemileng7745]

Hey SOTL, Can you do a video on the difference on how effective faster resource collection is for making military, compared to cheaper military units. With the pros and cons for both aspects.

[@voidgods]

I'm not SOTL but my 2 cents, faster resource collection is a more reliable bonus in most scenarios, because it applies to all points in the game, and to all scenarios - winning, losing, booming, rushing, etc Cheaper military won't help if you need to boom or need to make a different type of unit to counter your enemy. Faster resource collection does mean you have more than your opponent, and then can adapt around on how to use these extra resources. Which leads to another point - cheaper military is a bonus that requires commitment - you need to spend it for it to even apply, and can backfire if you overinvest. Faster collection on the other hand, let's you choose how you are going to use the extra res. Adaptability and flexibility are generally better overall as a bonus. The only scenarios I can see cheaper military being better is in early aggression where military numbers are small and microed a lot, and economy is too weak for a 5%-10% faster rate to add up too much. Then the player with cheaper military can have more units out and snowball from there. Or in the super late game, where the discount may have saved a lot of resources allowing for a later transition to trash.

[@flakstruk-8481]

The question is, in the cataphract/paladin fight. Do the byzantines win if you convert paladins then heal?

[@tamaskosa4456]

@@flakstruk-8481 If all 4 conversions succeed then yes. But then again the monks can be (and will be) targeted first to prevent conversion and healing mid-fight. Also monks are very slow and can't keep up with Cataphracts. You have to be on the defense to use them in combat like this.

[@CG-eh6oe]

Easy question - if you use all res for units, there is no difference between cheaper units and more res (as long as the values are comparable, and no gold is involved). Since you usually only use a fraction of your overall res to create units, ressource collection wins out over discount of similar size. Thats also why unit discounts need to be disproportianlly large compared to eco bonuses.

[@thepersonwhocomentz]

honestly part of me wishes there was a civ with monks that could heal in an area of effect to further synergize with the new Byzantine bonus.

[@SchrodingerMil]

AoE2 : The Warhammer Expansion The Empire : Unique Unit Warrior Priest, does AoE healing around himself while in melee combat

[@christopherlane467]

@@SchrodingerMil actually, I think I saw a custom campaign which had a unit do that. I definitely think it's possible, but which civ would be able to do something like that?

[@DanielBerke]

I know you mentioned it briefly at the end of the video, but that fact that this is the Byzantines *team* bonus seems kind of important, since any civ can now get these healing rates with a Byzantine ally. Other civs with Monk bonuses might have some interesting new synergies now, like massed Aztec Monks being even harder to kill.

[@hanzzel6086]

A Teuton (2x farther healing monks) would get a lot of value, as it puts the monks out of easy snipe range for most units.

[@astrotrek3534]

And the Teuton knight is so impervious to ranged damage as is, imagine a teutonic knight with byzantine monks lol. unstoppable@@hanzzel6086

[@williamangga6164]

One unit composition I would like to point out that work well with Byzantines is Skirmishers/Monks combo. This can counter almost everything. It is mandatory to go for Skirmishers in feudal age as they are cheap and easy to mass. Just make sure to keep them alive and advance to castle age. From there go monks and see what the opponent throw at you (this is important, keep scouting!). If cav archers, research ballistics. If knights, make more monks and shield them with previous Skirmishers. If siege units like mangonels are coming, prioritize redemption tech at monastery and other monk upgrade (work well against Bohemian's Hussite Wagons). If possible, get Block Printing later on. These moves forces the enemy into two last options, scouts and foot infantry. Cheap pikemen (or camel raider if you fancy and have gold left) should do the job against light cavalry. By that point, they're wasting resources and can only go infantry. And by this point you have enough units or going imperial age to get handcannoners or boom a bit to get Elite Cataphracts. The rest is gg. I really like the Byz versatility. And their monks who can do general work as either moving built-in herbal medicine hospital or Knight's bane to scare them away. Group them at base to replenish troops or heal in front combat. Really embracing the jack of all trades. Remember Byz have all but one monastery upgrades. Your gold can be spended after the trash units. TheViper did these multiple times as Byz. Now with SoTL data on the update, things are getting better.

[@williamangga6164]

How about meso-american Eagle Warriors? They should counter Monk/Skirmishers they said. Well, idk what to do. If someone have solution, pls let me know. Cuz I always counter with Cataphracts. Or maybe militia line... Just scout their base and see if enemies are acting sus with their barracks. That should give y'all enough time to react. Avoid making many monks against meso civs would be a recommendation.

[@Davtwan]

So they _do_ hit a critical point. As my favorite civ, I am quite happy to hear this.

[@Showsni]

Younger me would always send a few monks with an army. In box formation, of course!

[@chrisk.3967]

You make the good things about this RTS shine with your strategic videos like this. Great tests dude.

[@RustyBrakes]

I'm imagining a T90 diplomacy game where a Byzantine player sells their alliance for mid-fight healing. A fair rate of 500 gold per battle

[@dragovern]

In the paladin vs cataphract things can change if you first use the monks to convert.

[@Beliserius1]

of course, but nothing stops the paladin side to get monks also.

[@Manouil_III]

@@Beliserius1 usually, in such a scenario, paladins will surely retreat instead of attacking either the monks or the cataphracts.

[@Beliserius1]

@@Manouil_III cataphract player too man. That is way too precious to throw out against paladins

[@sotiriospeithis6659]

Byzantines were the surprise civ of KOTD this year. Not that surprising when you think about it, but it's so rare to see top level players opt for byzantines

[@Pr0manStream]

I would've loved to see the pikemen test be done with byzantine pikes + byzantine monks and byzantine pikes + generic monks instead of generic pikes. Given that the bonus is (primarely) used by byzantine in the first place given it is a team bonus for them, seeing it play in tandem with the unit cost reduction bonus would've been a better showcase for its overall effectiveness in my opinion.

[@obesechicken13]

The Byzantine pikes might win without special monks due to how large the discount is

[@ihatepplwhohatedm]

One way to make it fair is byzantine pike/monk vs FU without bonus pike/monk with equal numbers. This removes byz discount, and adds a malus (they miss final melee attack upgrade.) so you can easily see if the missing 2 damage can be overcome by monk heal

[@Finndu]

Teuton Monk + Byzantine teammate = advanced field medic Atztec/Slav Monk + Byzantine teammate = combat medic

[@oneoneonefour]

I think your followup videos are my favorite. It's always fun to see how things have changed and to go a little more in depth.

[@Ibrahim_Orhan]

I'm a recent Dota 2 player but I love watching AOE2 videos on this channel so much I think it's because SOTL's voice calms me down and transports me to different worlds. Anyone else feel this way? Hearing his voice comforts me even when I feel bad. So glad that we have you SOTL. Thank YOU!

[@RoulicisThe]

Why not just do both ? Use your monks to convert enemy units then use them to heal your units mid-fight while their conversion is on cooldown

[@1un4cy]

Turn that 12+4 v 16 into a 16+4 v 12 and get out with even more health.

[@puppy3908]

@@1un4cy @Erectar Denara guys if you haven't watched the original video then just say so.....no need to reiterate the mans points when we've all already moved on from it

[@QuintemTA]

This is something I was doing when I was actively playing Byzantines, I used monks not only to heal but to convert enemy knights. If a monk converts one knight its basically paid for itself. If it does that then starts healing units, its just giving even more value. This was before the recent buff (which I think was a revert since they used to heal this much anyway).

[@hbarudi]

Reply: unless they research the heresy...

[@beckerzineo]

@@puppy3908 So what if we haven't watched? In this video he barely talked about converting, he omly focused on the healing, which is understandable, but kinda implies that getting monks should be evaluated on that alone

[@connormako1987]

Don't forget to patrol your monks! Monks can't patrol on their own but if u select a military unit then patrol the monk will patrol too. A patrolling monk selects new targets for healing almost instantly which makes a huge difference in healing output, especially when units are dieing fast like in the archer fight of this video.

[@Thescott16]

But this is a _TEAM_ Bonus... Now you need to find which civ makes the best use of it; the Byzantines themselves or someone like the Aztecs with their bonus HP or the Teutons with their 2x range.

[@marcorquin4690]

0:55 "Let's check it out" and I was expecting the intro music to start sounding, but it has been more than a year and I still can get over it.

[@philipwendling9937]

So, this is not really regarding the actual video, but: I like the mix you found between AoE2 and AoE4 content. It's not just that you have more topics to cover, but I also feel like you are not alienating a viewer demographic here. While I don't play either game actively (I dropped RTS-games a few years back) I still like to see the different mechanics and interactions. Given that I have an interest in game design overhaul I find your videos both entertaining as well as educational to a point.

[@suddenllybah]

2x as good as normal monks. when healing. I'm pretty sure that converting is still the main value add of monks, once you can't cap relics with them. (Relics adding resources directly means that you don't have to have fights that go good, but aren't clean sweeps to get value out of them)

[@suddenllybah]

and arguably, even capping relics isn't that great, considering that say 6 seconds of convert time is liable to take a unit from your opponent, and give you a unit. say, a unit is worth 50 resources, you need 100 seconds of relics at 1 gold per 2 seconds.

[@SimonFallheart]

healing is what monks do between conversions.

[@davidboyeswahn4654]

A Byzantines Team Bonus changed to 1+ Convertion Range would make a lot more sence. The benefits would be significant in a monk to monk battle. But otherwise just a minor, but more useful increase.

[@dariussonofjazzlin7433]

Just the video I needed. Amazing!

[@laurencewright1675]

Surely the key comparison should be whether byz monks have a greater impact healing or converting? That is the actual in game decision which a player would have to make.

[@friendguy13]

It doesn't matter because you can use them to do both.

[@laurencewright1675]

@@friendguy13 Yeah, so is it better to have them convert and then heal whilst recharging, or just healing? I imagine the former. Still would have been a relevant comparison to see.

[@jakeypoo5196]

Hey SOTL, guys here. Great video

[@talmagejones]

Thanks SoTL. Just commenting so the algorithm helps you. :)

[@albertodezotti762]

Question: in the first knights test, the enemy's knights had bloodlines and were FU for castle age? Because in that case, the bizzantine player didn't just lack 3 knights, but also had weaker ones, which makes the healing benefit even more impressive even if still situational.

[@maskarone]

I'm 99% sure the cyan knights are identical to the red ones. We only know the the blue player is byzantine.

[@navinkumarpk86]

We need reskinned monks for different civilisation groups . Catholic, orthodox, Hindu, Buddhist, Tengrist, African and Islamic

[@AutumnReel4444]

I agree, seems like this should be the standard healing amount

[@DoubleBob]

Monks can provide so much value thanks to the healing outside of battle that it might be OP. Especially as their conversion risk makes the enemy make sub optimal moves. They are very, very good, if used correctly.

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

I would say that making the new Byzantine monk heal rate the standard for all civs the buffing current byz civ by 50 per cent would be great

[@samcree96]

I would have liked to see a battle with byzantine archers vs melee enemy units, which is the strongest use case for healing. As you said, archers have the highest value/HP ratio, and the effects of focus fire and monk-sniping both don't apply to melee enemies. Particularly if the enemy is going heavy cavalry, then it already makes sense to include some monks for conversions!

[@RimaNari]

But what about healing in buildings? No word about its viability here, although I'm sure it's easy to get the answer from watching the previous video. That 80 villagers temporarily added to your eco is a powerful argument. Goes to show how important healing is, even though hardly anyone is doing it! (Of course also goes for healing in buildings.)

[@Sande24]

What about if you can micro the near-death units to run away from battle and go heal at home? I guess an AI could be programmed to work like this: A knight (or crossbow as it is more cost effective to save) at

[@Oakenlix]

You're overcomplicating it, it's not needed in the game

[@Sande24]

Well, if this video showed 4 monks adding 80 villagers worth of value, it would probably make a difference if you can micro weak units away from combat instead of letting them die.

[@CallofDutyBlackOps28]

the funny thing; i knew about extra peasents make the building slightly better; but i never knew monks had the same effect, but the funny thing of what i usually do is having a trio of monks within a semi-large squad; so knowing i'm casually doing what you'd think two monks healing 300x2 per minute.

[@Dominik-K]

Thanks for the video pretty interesting to be honest

[@nicolinrucker5181]

my immediate thought, "Literally invulnerable Teutonic Knights?" Real talk though, outside of the super hard counters like Samurai, Jag, and Lietis, what sort melee unit would you need to trade cost effectively into Teutonic Knights backed by Byzantine Monks?

[@virgileusa]

it's a team bonus, making teutonic monks having double range and double healing :D

[@OytheGreat]

No one should be foolish enough to engage ETKs with melee units only. And if you do: ELEPHANTOS! :D But honestly: at any decent level of gameplay people have diverse armies. If you go all-in on TKs backed with monks, a fast army with ranged units counters it easily. Cav archers, arbs, or even just some scorpions.

[@nicolinrucker5181]

@@OytheGreat Well obviously it wouldn't happen in MP. Could be the basis for a funny scenario though... The Great Wall of Teutonic Knights.

[@RobotShield]

I always believed elephants were the best unit for monks to heal mid combat because they will stay alive longer anyway and so be able to receive more healing. Kinda the opposite to xbows. Can you test how many Halbs you need to kill different elephants if they’re being healed by Byzantine monks?

[@shitsquirrel9]

So, should all monk healing rates be doubled and Byzantines be tripled to make monks more viable/actually useful in fights?

[@oneoneonefour]

Monks are already useful in fights thanks to conversions. It's just that previously monk healing was almost useless in fights. Now Byzantine monks have corner cases where their healing is also useful in a fight.

[@rainbowevil]

Yeah, monks’ role in fights is supposed to be conversions of high value units, which they accomplish. Healing is really still mostly intended for adding value outside of fights - this bonus helps with that more than realistically being able to improve fighting outcomes.

[@CG-eh6oe]

Id rather say byz monks are overtuned now in castle age.

[@Aarygon]

Do you have a monk deep dive video? I'd love a long format viedo about when and how monks are best and most powerful and when theyre the opposite.

[@TheGloriousLeader]

Can we please get the intro and song back? I don’t care if it’s longer than the actual video. I just miss it. ❤️

[@trystanclemenceau2071]

Not many comments, oh man what a time to be alive

[@darthcheesecake3392]

Looking forward to seeing a video on T90's channel of someone making use of this.

[@CodeSharing]

Hey Spirit of the law, guys here!

[@allinaxford]

They are handy in numbers for keeping cross fire caught units alive, like a villager building a castle, or anther monk, while the army pusses the enemy away..

[@Red-mq1rj]

units with high armor low hp should be more effective with mid combat monks... example Teutonic Knights fighting vs other melee units or, Huskarls fighting vs ranged units. less hp is being lost thus allowing for monks to be more effective. My favorite matchup is monks and Teutonic Knights vs Throwing Axemen. (they do 1 damage vs Teutonic Knights)

[@danielmaar8683]

I just ran the math on the knight healing with monks thing and I calculated to only half of your rates.... So could you please explain your math(but remember both the healing rate as well as the gathering rates are for a pretty much optimal case, where only one monk heals one knight at a time (if multiple monks heal the same knight, the additional healing rate for each monk is halved) and where the traveling distances for the villagers are almost minimal): Knight cost: 60 food 75 gold; 100hp (with bloodlines 120) 1hp healing = 0.6food + 0.75gold (bloodlines: 0.5 food + 0.625 gold) One monk healing knight : 300 hp/min => 180 food + 225 gold per minute (bloodlines: 150 food + 186 gold) Villager gathering rates: Gold: 34 gold/min Gold mining: 39 gold/min Gold shaft mining: 44.5 gold/min Food: max 33 food/min Wheelbarrow: ~36 food/min Handcart: ~39 food/min => no feudal age upgrades: One monk healing worth 5.4 vill on food + 6.6 vills on gold (bloodlines: 4.6 on food + 5.6 on gold) => feudal age upgrades: One monk healing worth 25 vill on food + 5.8 vills on gold (bloodlines: 4 on food + 4.8 on gold) => castle age upgrades: One monk healing worth 4.6 vill on food + 5 vills on gold (bloodlines: 3.8 on food and 4.2 on gold)

[@30Salmao]

Would be nice to see a video were you try to pay out monks (in a micro situation, or just a real scenario) with conversion and healing.

[@Pepenosoy]

Is it me or since a while ago units randomly scatering like the cataphracts at 00:45 is a common thing?

[@dougler500]

In that fight with 4 blue monks and cyan knights vs same cost red knights, it's always better to just convert the red knights right? The monk healing seems to just be a bonus for after you convert and win that fight not the way to win that fight.

[@raphaelguerin2691]

Lol what about bizantynez ally for teutons ! 2x healing range and 2x healing speed !

[@HazmanFTW]

I still reckon that the value is use your monks for converting and then heal up is the way to go. It'd be interesting to see these numbers

[@DCdabest]

Just means that Byzantines should be saving even more resources as the game goes on. Squeezing out every drop of resources they can by saving in the margins on retraining expensive units and having cheap counters.

[@shardulmanohar512]

If I remember right Byzantine monks always had 2X speed right from the aok days.

[@Manouil_III]

Two decades later, Byzantines just finish recovering their status at that time, *Town Patrol free* and *2X monk healing rate* (it is said that Town Patrol free was about to be given in the next of the 1.0c official patch, that never came).

[@3ipolarBear]

It was actually 300% faster on AoK! they then nerfed it to just 100% faster and now re-buffed it to 200%

[@Cysubtor_8vb]

So, they finally improved that monk bonus. I'm still on HD, but this is yet another reason to finally move up to DE.

[@schierlingsbecher7778]

Dude move up already wtf

[@KaletheQuick]

I'd like to see a few more tests in this category. Starting the fight with 4 conversions and then healing, and another test where you micro the healers to try and maximize their tactical effect, say by focusing healing on a unit taking a lot of damage. Also, how would you, Mr Law, make a "knight hospitaliar" unit. Some unique unit that is more combat oriented and durable, but can also heal. What similar combat medic unit could other faction groups get? I ask this as a former combat medic, who always loves healing units in games

[@curlywhites]

Take a Boyar, divide its attack by two, and give it healing abilities. haha.

[@mubashirulmoula1798]

Can you do the same with successful conversion and some Byzantines Camel vs Generic Bloodlines Camels/Knight. I think that will be interesting.

[@captainkirk265]

Use monks to heal and convert and focus on healing the lowest health units. This way not only are you preserving your units your also stealing the enemies units. Also don't attack units that you want to convert. Use monks as decoys focus on healing a monk that's being attacked while that monk converts the attacker. Add villagers to make an unstoppable forward base and when the enemy doesn't have any units left convert their buildings and villagers build a town center where their's used to be and still their farms as well. Also a vital part of this strategy is to go into chat and type "Hippity hoppity you're town is my property.

[@guyukassman7705]

Im not surprised actually. The Byzantines always were very, very religious. What i never understood is that their monks never weren't the best.

[@mrilovetheants]

I wish there was some kind of Cannoneer Monk in the game. I don't know what it would do but it sounds fun.

[@cheesewizard3965]

“Double the healing, double the disappointment”

[@florinchess]

I would have liked to see what happens if an elite beserk gets healed by a byzantine monk while fighting

[@thorstenmarquardt7274]

My monks always ignore my low health units. I have to click to make them heal manually. When I put monks right next to 10 low health ballista elephants, they heal maybe 1 or 2 and then stop

[@konstantinreuther3122]

How do Monks affect Berserks healing and fighting? Could this change somehting?

[@Cheddarific]

Now that AoE4 is out, would be good to specify which game in the title of the videos.

[@rdcdt6302]

If unit selected are display in order of remaining hp it will more easily to heal wound unit...

[@nietbasxoudenh3772]

but one thing you dont take in term is the conversion facteur potentialy you can have a boust of one to four unit on your side or kill by the monk (hérésy)

[@erwinwendler4621]

Hi spirit, when are more civs upgrades coming?

[@onrean]

Let's check it out.... **missing intro?**

[@Omar-do4ti]

Hey SOTL can you please make another video about the advancing times for all ages. Thank you

[@animesavedmylife3648]

Byzantine monks with fully upgraded Berserkers?

[@ancillarity]

This might turn the game to played a bit more warcraft 3 style - you micro your units to run back to your base if they are close to dying. Your monks can then heal your units back up safely.

[@wcko87]

This video doesn't address the most important question though: how good is farming infinite gold with keshiks fighting each other while being healed by monks with the byzantine team bonus in play?

[@dpaddle]

Playing Aztec with a byz ally can be pretty strong for your monks now ngl.

[@josholocko1132]

"Lets check it out" *Me getting into position to hum the intro song while the little montage plays* *It doesn't happen* :(

[@MMarcuzzo]

You could also micro manage multi monk healing a high hp target.

[@Daocpwnswow]

Amazing topic, monk healing is a forgotten skill! My memory fails me, will monks heal automatically if you send them into battle as part of an (albeit slow) unlt?

[@curlywhites]

Yes, they heal automatically.

[@joshyjosh3772]

Hey SOTL, can you make top 5 best army comps for late game

[@ValerietheLovelyDeadlyItalian]

Bohemian trash monks with this bonus + cataphracts = gg

[@St3v3NWL]

The problem with Monks as shown in the video is that they are not properly healing half of the time + are slow in switching to new targets for hraling

[@hurnn1543]

after conversions they could turn a close fight into a snowball win.

[@zeroyuki92]

How about Missionary with Byz ally? Would adding them to your comp worth it now?

[@flip6383]

I think you forgot comparing using the monks to heal vs using the monks to convert

[@hhaavvvvii]

It was not forgotten. It was out of scope. The question is only on their healing.

[@berkut3919]

Porphyry thumbnail ftw

[@Cipher71]

What if the monks convert enemy units first and then heal your units while they recharge their faith?

[@tonicus123]

You didn't factor in that they can convert 4 units and then heal to turn a close victory into an overwhelming one.

[@maximilianbettcher3859]

What about armor? Monk healing is more valuable with more armor. High armor units take less damage so the healing/damage ratio is better. Teutons with better range monks and better armor can plow through similar value melee armies even better I would imagine. Would be an interesting test.

[@NowisFurther]

if u heal something with high armor is more worth in combat

[@kelloggswag]

How do the monks affect Byzantine Paladins when fighting FU Paladins or good Paladin Civs?

[@remussayed1007]

I'm curious. Is healing better than converting for byzantine monks.