How Good Does A $400 Multiscale Bass Sound??? - RedSub Coliseum [Bass Demo]

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[@patrickhunter]

Good? Bad? Sad? What do y'all think about this bass?🤔

[@aspyr5681]

Sounds like a $40 bass if I'm being honest

[@FrenchAudio2000]

That bass has less sustain than a 1/4 violin

[@michaellorenz7177]

Did they ship it with dead strings?

[@russellzauner]

I keep wanting to like it and even with a good mix I still don't even after watching like 30 demos.

[@ArjanYoyoman]

How can we tell without comparison? player, strings, pre amp, plug ins, microphone, speakers, mixing, etc etc have so much influence...

[@AmishParadice]

Definitely seems interesting. Considering there aren't a lot of alternatives for multiscale basses below $1k, this thing might be interesting as a modding platform.

[@marvinroggon3168]

FINALLY! Been waiting for this since the comparison, had this one in my sight for months now but almost just found reviews on the 6 string that vary a LOT

[@LeviJules]

No one's mentioned it yet by the looks of it, but wow! Thank you so much for the honest review. There were things that i had on my mind before buying this but this just answered those questions! :p

[@stereoroid]

I’ve looked at this before, the pickups are EMG 45 size and it looks like the 45 H models could drop in and cover all the strings. But I agree about the pickup placement, going for a Dingwall thing is not necessary here. The body shape appears to be inspired by the ESP Ltd. Stream models. I think I’ll wait till Thomann / Harley Benton gets back in to multiscale Bass, which I’m positive they will.

[@attilapuzder6536]

I really hope so

[@ObviouslyNotItalian]

The Harley Benton multiscale bass they had looked absolutely amazing, still hoping/waiting for them to come back with a multiscale option too!

[@attilapuzder6536]

@@jeffhopkins5704 I didn't have the opportunity to try it back then. The thing is that I don't have 1000+ usd to spend on a multiscale bass and since the UK is no longer in the EU I don't wanna risk ordering from Gear4music. Harley Benton's quality has been improving significantly in the last few years so I'm positive

[@user-rs7tv5lq5v]

Been well over a year and still no HB multi scale

[@firehead74]

Love the shirt!! The new album was so good

[@connorslawson5315]

Thanks for the review! I love the channel but was starting to the you could never say anything negative, which leaves the reviews unreliable. Your bubbling positivity is part of why I like your channel so much!

[@chrisAclaes]

Thanks for the honesty! I know doing critical reviews can be hard.

[@albundy2239]

I just hope that the multi scale design will be more available within the next years. Technically it's the way to go in terms of lower tunings 😉

[@rathoquarter]

Really nice review. Thanks. I've been looking at this one for some time but glad to have watched your video first. The super long scale at the low string is what makes this one tempting for me (over the other slightly more expensive models that you mentioned). I wonder if there are many alternatives that have 36/37 inch scale that are more affordable than the Dingwall basses?

[@LowEndLobster]

Great vid dude! It's a bass that is meant to be seen, not played hahaha

[@LowEndLobster]

@@jeffhopkins5704 wow.... Cool?

[@patrickhunter]

@@jeffhopkins5704 Oh shit you own 3.5k basses???? Woooowww, you must be like a really good player and not a complete asshole, right? Oh wait no, yeah you're just a fucking asshole!

[@patrickhunter]

@@LowEndLobster this guy has 3.5£k basses, so he obviously KNOWS EVERYTHING😂

[@LowEndLobster]

@@patrickhunter XD you rock!

[@PhilosophicalCat]

Wow, two bass demo legends in one place! Curious since I missed it, what did the OA (original asshole) post about?

[@bones2532]

Saw the multiscale bass comparison before and I have to admit, the RedSub was the bass that impressed me the most. Together with the Dingwall it sounded far better than the Ibanez and the Spector to me. Very articulate and clear with that certain growl that you're looking for when you want a bass for modern aggressive rock/metal style tones. I'm still waiting for someone to build a multiscale Explorer style bass. That reverse body design really makes sense in combination with fanned frets, I think, like Dingwall did their take on the Thunderbird with the D-bird. Maybe I should try one of those, though I'm a little bit afraid of that extreme difference in scale length between the strings, Dingwall uses. Might be a challenge to get used to that and switching back to a regular fretted bass, I guess. It's a shame, that the RedSub has all these ergonomic flaws. I really like the sound and the look of this bass.

[@martinfay7274]

Would love to hear this with a pair of Dingwall pups and tone capsule pre. It certainly looks the part !

[@tatuhutri2606]

This wery informative review. Subd.

[@jamesmarkham7489]

The sound is lacking, but it's a good reason to mod it!

[@steffomca762]

Hell yeah! Just change the pickups, preamp and machine heads and we're good to go

[@t.j.meechan682]

Looks pretty awesome. Tone is not terrible for the price. I actually like it.

[@alexskibicki2262]

That’s an interesting bass. It looks like across between one of those single cut basses and an explorer. Tone wise, it sounds pretty good.

[@aarontreadway7859]

I know you've said you think they're kinda ugly, but I've love to see you play an LTD. My first "real" (not under 300 dollar) bass was a used LTD that had been fitted with actual ESP pickups and a diffrent preamp (still don't know what the guy put in it, only know it was not stock) and those basses are magic, to me. played in bars for years with it, and even know, not able to play live due to work and school, when i jam with people, its what I bring.

[@Morrowman17]

Perfect candidate for those fish man fluence bass pickups :)

[@jaredhouseman2094]

It definitely gets the multiscale b string sound of that's your main concern. After getting new pups and a preamp you'd be better off with a used Ibanez

[@danielmccready1501]

It may be an "okay" bass, but you could make rubber bands sound great! Would LOVE a multi-scale Battle #2! Cheers from Kansas!

[@GinoS1994]

Eh. If it were like 100$ or so cheaper it’d probably be worth it, but at this rate you’re better off saving some more money for something nicer. The pickups don’t have a lot of character to them and the preamp and tuners aren’t doing any favors either lol

[@TheMurtdragon]

I picked up the 6 string model a few months ago as my first multiscale bass. Its half the price of the cheapest Ibanez 6 multiscale and 1/5th of the price of a Dingwall NG, of course theres going to be compromises, but I can't justify playinjg close to £1000 just to try a multiscale. That being said, I was expecting hot trash and it surprised by being decent, and has scratched my multiscale itch for now. It will be exciting when other companies start getting into the more budget end of multiscale basses.

[@bassincinerator]

When are you going to review some Jackson basses? There are wicked!!

[@whitemeadowsounds7198]

The pickup placement is mimicking the NG2 series. This instrument is suited for djenty metal tones I think. I suggest you should do a review how it sounds with some Darkglass or any other distortion/overdrive. Anyway, amazing video as always, keep it up!

[@Wynorrific]

Needs better pickups first haha

[@russellzauner]

@@Wynorrific nah, just sprinkle some tone capsule fairy dust on it and it might straighten out - out of the many reviews this thing has gotten, I don't think I've seen anyone try that swap although in hindsight seems obvious. Notice how nobody will even mention Pedula lol even though there's more than a bit of that going on in the body.

[@anderondeath4797]

Pick ups aren't bad on the 6 string. Build however is shocking.

[@whitemeadowsounds7198]

Actually, I'm dumb - because Mr Patrick already did multiscale bass shootout where he included Redsub. Hell, I even did watch it before this video.

[@rabidwallaby84]

The NG2 has 3 pickups, though, so you still end up with a standard J-bass spacing between the bridge and neck pickups.

[@peterfleming1517]

Buying one of these in the UK from gear4music makes a lot more sense than it does for US buyers, running at 350gbp shipped. So I did! It absolutely has shortcomings (hardware could be better, but that would push the price up), electronics could be better (but that would push the price up), finish could be better (but, you know where I’m going with this…) However, it has perfectly served its purpose for me: a super affordable introduction to the multi scale market to test the water and see whether moving in this direction will fulfil what I hope it will for me - ergonomically relieving stress/tension that exacerbates arthritis and tendinitis. What’s my takeaway from owning the RedSub? I’m going to build my own multi scale bass! (Major differences in mine will be a shortened multi scale of 32” to 34” over 5 strings for even more comfort/relief in the left hand, EMG P/J pups in their soapbar housings and a shape that leans more towards the traditional to aid balance).

[@PelleKuipers]

I'm so pissed off that I can't find a decent one. I bought one just now and returned it. There wasn't a burst on it and the scarf joint sat in the headstock instead of the neck. And overall just ugly as sin. I still really want to one, especially for that price (and I do love the design).

[@williamscott-jackson9806]

I got a RedSub Infinite about 18 months ago and it has many of the same problems. A few that weren't mentioned is that I think there's a real cheap preamp circuit as it does not take distortion well and hisses sorting awful around 5kHz. Also the bridge saddles can't be adjusted so setting up the thing is impossible. I came to the same conclusion, it was more expensive for me to mod this into something equivalent to an Ibanez I could have bought for the same price.

[@ravelitschimo]

A friend of mine put some emgs in it. It sounds like a "normal" 5 string fanned fret bass now.

[@Klejpull123]

I have Coliseum 6 and loving it to point that I'm ready to gradually replace electronics, starting with pickups. What EMGs Your friend installed? I'm thinking about 45HZ (passive ones). Not sure if starting with Darkglass Tone Capsule for replacement preamp would make more sense.

[@DigBipper188]

Definitely has the makings of a damnn tasty sounding metal bass... if you chuck in a set of hotter pickups in it!

[@davedupuis2069]

The poplar burl is probably actually an image of burl beleven it or not. I've seen this in other low priced instruments.

[@davedupuis2069]

@@jeffhopkins5704 it was actually an import Spector I believe, but I suspect they all do it. That's why there is always a burst finish around the outer edge. If it was a "real" top like 1/2" thick or so you wouldn't need to hide the edges.

[@martinheath5947]

36 inch scale length on the B without a strap button over the 12th fret for balance and playability would put me off more than the tone as such. Looks impressive though!

[@MrAMG-fn3pw]

If it was a bit cheaper, it would def be a good mod project. Throw a tone monster preamp(which are cheap and sound good in my esp), and some emg 45 dc's. But then the tuners and so on...it adds up. But at least you can change them. I know some of the harley bentons you cant bc of their in-house design, and they make it to where the screw holes are changed or the pickup is just not the right size which is a big bummer. Better off saving for a better bass which you dont have to mod as much or at all

[@warwicker22]

I’d say save up for an Ibanez. Their wood and build quality are always top notch for the money.

[@orhtejjjeetthhrroo6125]

I just realized I only like the low b sound on multiscale basses. I think it needs the extra tension to sound correct.

[@jdmarino]

Thanks for the helpful video. What's the best, cheap, mutliscale, in your opinion?

[@meespeeters826]

Hey Patrick! Quick question: What is your string height at the twelfth fret usually?

[@tonycarel1785]

Great review @Patrick Hunter. I does sound like they spent the money on the look of the bass rather than function. Saves me some money. Thanks again

[@matthewlunsford4351]

I'm probably on a different track from everyone else here, I'm interested in a review of their 4-string multi-scale for variety of reasons. One is curiosity about multi-scale of course, but another is curiosity if it would help with my left-hand rsi problems.

[@budgetbasscovers]

If you like the look, just grab an ESP LTD Stream-205 when it is on sale. Almost the same price, and a fantastic choice. Yes, I own one 😎

[@mattcheckleybass]

Just got a B-Stock 6 string for £110 ($155 USD). It needed the nut repairing and truss rod was maxed out. But 15 mins later I have a bass as good as new. I agree that the bass has terrible balance and the pickups are dull, and EQ underwhelming, but I got it for the cost of 4 packs of strings (it actually came with a set of D'Addarios on it). With some compression and offboard EQ however, it recovers well. I may replace the tuners/pickups/EQ in the future, but the pickups will be hard to find at a decent price. It is indeed a good mod platform if you can put up with the headstock dive. Even if you don't want to mod it, it is the ONLY bass that exists in this price range that can compete with a Dingwall for tone.

[@TheAnderon666]

It comes nowhere near to a Dingwall in tone. I own a 6string of this model. I hate it so much that I'm giving it away. I'd rather take the hit than feeling guilty for charging any money for this abortion of a bass.

[@Wido08GP]

Sounds kinda thin, I wish it had more punch.

[@fishedilascia2570]

RedSus

[@andrematos-oreidocanbaixo]

It looks a lot like the low T-Walk models from the Brazilian company XVector

[@diluteduk]

The fact that redsub don't seem to send out review models speaks volumes.

[@sprouts5156]

Is this something that you might mod? If you do I would like to see the process and turnout if the build.

[@PrettyMuchAPanda]

Does it sound great? Not really, but it sounds...Good. it gets a great sound with a Sans Amp, definitely livens it up a lot. With some upgrades it can be a great bass. I bought one not too long ago as an investment and honestly because its not overly expensive, I don't mind messing with it. Mine came nearly perfectly set up, though results may vary. I plan on upgrading the tuners, pickups, and preamp. Especially that preamp. There's an internal pot that makes it louder and all the way down its already outputting a lot of volume...all the way up is just bad. The active/passive is cool but the volume difference is just too severe to be useful, I don't mind just making it 100% active. Better pickups and a better preamp will make it a powerhouse with sound...eventually I'll shape the body to feel better standing but at the moment I personally don't mind the shape much. Overall, 6/10, worth looking into if you want to do upgrades, not the best out of the box. Definitely better basses right out the box that don't need upgrades.

[@casadelosperrosstudio200]

If the 6 string was that color, I might consider that for a project since it is almost the same price, but...

[@bashdun3237]

i hope i dont piss any ESP/LTD fans here, but the way this bass sounds, and the way Patrick is talking about it reminds me a lot of my LTD B-205SM.

[@dennisroder983]

If u put bass and mids on 0 it sounds clanky as hell! At least mine does. Gonna install new pickups etc tho

[@dobbs123456789]

Beautiful looking bass. Anemic sounding pickups, but for the price you can mod it and walk away with a badass bass for under 700. Great video.

[@boomerbassmeme]

Cool that it is different, but it ends there. Will stick to my Spector and Ibanez multi-scales. I got them used for a little more than what that goes for new and they are amazing! Already loaded with great pre-amps, pickups, tuners, and play well!

[@devinnoel9066]

If by "for a little more", you mean "more than twice", then sure.

[@boomerbassmeme]

@@devinnoel9066 No, they were both around $500 each used. I guess some people are too busy leaving whiny and sarcastic comments to hunt for bargains.

[@hunterhenneke3278]

Are you going to keep this

[@DiamondLifer]

Output volume was low on this video and why didn’t you distort and dig in?

[@thefool2007]

Makes me wonder...do manufacturers aim low and cut certain corners while making a semi-desirable package in order to attract players looking for a mod platform? A la carte can be highly cost-prohibitive. Just make it better so we can play it as is and then one day do a few updates. It shouldn’t need to have components swapped. It’s bad enough that a lot of lower cost basses come standard with awful tuners.

[@joshuarobinson4571]

Would u say its worth the money now that its down to £230 ish

[@jesseparrish9198]

Does it neck dive?

[@kagemane10]

From where was it manufactured? Indonesia or China?

[@a_wretch_like_me9665]

There's another 5 string multi-scale RedSub called the Infinity, and it's almost $100 cheaper.

[@captainjive131]

sounds muffled

[@91cog]

I think it sounds a bit like butt. And totally agree with your sentiment of buying upward to an Ibanez or Ltd rather than modding. Great honest video!

[@TrilobitesRTasty]

Great comment! 😂

[@TheAnderon666]

There is a good chance the strings are dead and the battery probably is too. They come like that sadly. I have a 6 string model, good bass to play after I set it up. Very poor build quality though.

[@mihailkorako]

I really want this bass but too bad there is no shipping I'm my country

[@kevmac1230]

No fair! Patrick plays too well to make a bass sound bad.I have never liked the high non cut away look,though I don't know if it's necessary on a multi scale.

[@carpediemarts705]

Redsub joins the conversation in 3...2....1....

[@lc5483]

Can anyone help me workout what strings I need for this? I recently got one that needs restringing

[@_thepowly_]

Get the Dingwall Stainless Steel Strings

[@joerausch5756]

Harley Benton was real disrespectful when they dropped making their multiscale!

[@miguelangelcastellanosquin6052]

Isn't the Ibanez multiscale only 35.5" and new $1000 dlls? What if you tuned down way lower than B and you do really need the extra length for a thicker gauge? I'm going all in for this bass I don't care if it's "uncomfortable" I'm not a diva so I'm pretty sure I could get hang of it in less than a week of playing, but hey, who am I, don't even do videos for KZbin

[@isa1988jesu]

Looks like a budget bass for metal.

[@toddstropicals]

I can live without one...

[@tibi1687]

that esp ltd is 1500euros in europe ! or more

[@JaFoste_Studio]

It's a good bass...IF you get a good one. I bought one of these a few months back and it is f'ing terrible. Every fret was covered with rust, nut was poorly cut and even fell out when I removed the strings to clean the frets. I made the mistake of super gluing the nut back in before I realized it was poorly cut. Now, I've got a unusable bass.

[@ugifr9538]

sounds a bit dead. dont knwo honsestly

[@noa1175]

Its clean, would recommend playing this with some crazy fuzz and a comp pedal. So if that’s what you’re trying to do maybe consider it

[@tramer76]

Nothing wrong at all with that sound Patrick.

[@MetalGuitarGuy]

you never showed us the back of the bass... 🤔

[@adrianch2527]

No punch to the sound. Good review. I would not buy it. Better to get a Cort B5 Element.

[@jackdanielteasdale598]

there's no bass in the mix, but other than that, is god

[@mattuw82]

It's hard to get a sense of what the bass sounds like because of the way he plays. He plucks really hard and makes a lot of string noise in general. I guess that's a useful tone for metal, but it's really not to my taste.

[@coreyroberts47]

Ehhhhhh

[@RangyJoe]

Yeah the tone didn't really impress. And I agree with you, save your money and get something used instead

[@timbuzick8778]

eh just thicker strings

[@sonnylost2179]

Brazilians be like WOW SO CHEAP 145 dollars is like only 4k reais. Hahahahahaha But I got tempted to buy this one.

[@BABing-pv5xq]

I bought one of these as a way to try out the whole fanned fret thing, and had it less than a year before letting it go. The workmanship was…there was none. The frets were sharp and gritty feeling, the nut had corners protruding out of it, the binding wasn’t cut flush and in one area, stuck off the board almost as tall as a fret. The bridge pickup was intermittent, there was globs of polishing compound all over the neck, it arrived with not one, but two pressure cracks in the fretboard and there was a pickup mounting screw hanging out of the body when I took it out of the shipping container. Even at 315 USD + shipping, it was just a lousy quality instrument. Guys, I know the super low price and impressive list of supposed features is alluring, but I’m telling you first hand, all that glitters is not gold. This thing was garbage. Keep saving.

[@sirstickykey]

It sounds super thumpy and dry

[@lotusmark2]

This has zero relevance as we have a used bas from who knows when

[@sammyshelor4476]

It sounds very weak to me and not distinctive at all.

[@thebassbuilder]

Patrick what is up with your mixes these days? The past 4 or 5 videos have not sounded that good. Everything is sounding dead and lifeless. I hate saying this but feel you should know it. Also please start putting out more videos. I dig your videos a lot. Do some more covers and things. I like your playing a lot.

[@1thess523]

I thought was one of those "ugliest bass" videos 🤔🤣

[@texacomann]

Why do you put that bass so down, people get unsecure. I have the 6-String version and yes I had to do my personal prefered setup before beeing really happy. But replace your strings first, and make your guitar setup. Then try it out, and you will see, the bass is a really very good one. No need to wait for something better. If you really believe, that spending more money for your instrumet will solve your problems, go an get some bass lessons and first learn to get a good player, a good instrument does not make you a good player automatically. I can play on everything, the rest is sex on the instrument. IMHO

[@olivernash1244]

For the money you can find much better sounding basses tbh it looks cool but sounds fucking terrible

[@liammusik]

This Bass I dont Like. I Had black Fingers from the Strings. And the Sound ist more and only for Metal music. There a Not many possibilty to Change the Sound. Dont buy this. 👎

[@selfactualizer2099]

I hate youtubers so much, they have the exact same optimism for every product they review simply because the name of the game is sell sell sell, (kinda goes against what musicians stood for, but we have a lot of modern excuses aparently) Give me reviews without affiliate links, Its a fake, biased review, sorry.

[@patrickhunter]

Cool story bro, take care🤙