How GOOD was Quagsire ACTUALLY? - History of Quagsire in Competitive Pokemon (Gens 2-6)

Quagsire! The Water Fish Pokemon! Quagsire doesn’t seem to care about anything and is blissfully unaware of its surroundings. Can it maintain its happiness in competitive battling? Join False Swipe Gaming in this brief overview of Quagsire in Competitive Pokemon!
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Notice I said POPULAR formats, meaning a format where there is a significant amount of people who compete in it for tournaments and so on and so forth. Now Popular does not mean official even though two of the formats I will be covering were official formats being Japan Nintendo Cup and VGC, but it is an indicator of what a good portion of competitive players thought was “optimal” at the time. Also sometimes the Pokemon Battle Historia doesn't provide enough information to talk about certain Pokemon so I add Smogon analysis to make sense of it. This is pretty rare though.
To the people asking why I don't cover Smogon Singles for Gens 1 and 2: It wouldn't really be a history video if I covered those because online Smogon gen 1 meta to my knowledge wasn't actually played until late 2000s. I wanted to cover tournaments/competitive battling that was actually played during the early years of Pokemon (late 90s).
To the people asking why I cover Smogon at all for singles: To my knowledge, Smogon was the most popular format for Gens 3-5 and held a number of tournaments throughout the years. As for Gen 6, I am not covering Battle Spot Singles because there is more information and explanations about sets being used relative to their own meta on Smogon. In other words, there are few written analyses about Battle Spot Pokemon besides the Top tiers and I would like to avoid theorycrafting because it may have a hint of bias (though I theorycraft if I REALLY couldn't find information on a certain Pokemon). The keyword here is explanations. Though I did find statistics of most Pokemon used and most moves used, there wasn't really any explanations on why. Also the few Pokemon I did find analysis of for Top Tier Battle Spot Singles had very similar move sets to the Smogon OU sets anyway.
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[@Skallva]

So basically, Quagsire is not overused, underused or never used. It's just... used.

[@redmage8719]

It's just.... man, i don't f@$!#&% know!😂

[@debrawaltz4610]

He is just Quagsire

[@Tuckerscreator]

Quagsire is inevitable.

[@theweebnoob7999]

Quagsire is yes

[@thecriticalghost4626]

Is Quagsire

[@StarshadowMelody]

So basically, Quagsire is the very embodiment of "tiers are dumb and I main who I want"

[@StarshadowMelody]

See now I want Quagsire in Smash.

[@LordTyph]

More like the personification of that one Smash Bros Brawl meme.

[@dmann5938]

Lost Melody giggity giggity

[@WillisRude]

More of a very narrow silver bullet. Like you can't force Quagsire everywhere, but when it winds up exactly where it needs to be it stops nonsense cold.

[@bunnie1875]

Quagmire

[@zacharymohammadi]

Smogon: ok quagsire your NU quagsire: wow I’m in Uber?

[@vintageultra4927]

Smogon: What!!?! N- Quagsire: Oh hi Kyogre Kyogre: GET AWAY FROM ME

[@gutsmasterson2488]

VintageUltra Quagsire: What? Give a wave to you? Kyougre: GO AWAY! Quagsire: Surf!

[@theweebnoob7999]

It's super effective?!

[@gamermanzeake]

I seriously love this set of comments.

[@bru9383]

@@gutsmasterson2488 *Kyogre fainted* Quagsire: ...Ooh, shiny. *walks away*

[@CasaiAgicap]

I really wish they were planning on making more mega evolutions, solely because I want a Mega Quagsire where he looks exactly the same, just slightly bigger Seems like the only possible choice.

[@ghostzombies3252]

Jacob Choi literally any other pokemon in gen 5 woud've been better with mega over audino, i was honestly hoping for mega gen 5 starters, mega krookodile, hydreigon, and maybe zoroark

[@iforgotmyname1669]

Mega quagmire doesn't physically change. He just falls asleep.

[@RazorusR3X777]

@Jacob Choi Mega Audino wouldve been good had its ability been Regenerator instead of tgat shitty one it has now

[@phantomstar9529]

Mega Quagsire looks almost the same, but angry

[@joshuakim5240]

@Jacob Choi Meh, you know as well as the rest of us that Gamefreak is saving Mega-Hydreigon for the eventual Gen5 Mega/Z-Move remake where Ghetsis will roflstomp us all over again...again.

[@josephhanicak7922]

It's funny because he's even better in gen 8 Ubers. He walls like half the entire tier.

[@ravinercf]

Wow

[@josephhanicak7922]

@ARTEM DORDZHIEV Correct, but at the time I made this he walled every physical attacker except for Zekrom

[@josephhanicak7922]

@ARTEM DORDZHIEVHim too, although Kyu B was overshadowed and niche at the time. Also, Quag will survive anything but freeze dry at plus one and haze Kyu B, so it's still not a bad matchup.

[@josephhanicak7922]

@ARTEM DORDZHIEV I said physical attackers, not everyone. He still loses to Mewtwo(Not if they use psystrike), definitely Kyu W, Reshiram, and Eternatus. Lunala gets completely crippled by toxic though. The only counter is eterna.

[@josephhanicak7922]

@ARTEM DORDZHIEV My original comment expresses exactly what I want to. I said he walls half the tier, which is true. And the only pokemon who can kill him with a neutral special attack are Kyu W and Eternatus. Iirc if Mewtwo can do it, definitely can't with psystrike, I don't think Lunala can do it without a life orb or specs.

[@sendhelp6349]

Smogon: You're low tier Quagsire: What's a tier

[@Nougatbars]

The trick is, Quagsire legitimately has no clue what a tier is.

[@mystery5538]

Nougatbar that’s why he’s unaware

[@StrikeIGuess]

People who used it: Good question

[@ymanuelehernadez8558]

@@Nougatbars I would like your comment but it has 69 likes.....

[@waddledeecrasher6396]

Aquire the sire

[@Ultima2343]

According to all known laws of competitive battling, there is no way that a Quagsire should be able to battle in ubers. Its stats are too low to get its weak movepool off the ground. The Quagsire, of course, battles in ubers anyway because Quagsires don't care what metagamers think is impossible.

[@jeremyrossi2716]

Blue and Brown, blue and brown, blue and brown- oh Pink and brown let’s shake things up a little

[@Nonikt]

Chef's Kiss of a comment

[@redmage8719]

Quagsire is a giver of no fucks.

[@MaxiemumKarnage]

Virgin Smogon player vs. Chad "I like it" video game enjoyer

[@ducktape-3470]

Isn't this about Bees and Flapping ?

[@redmage8719]

The very existence as well as usage of Quagsire is a giant middle finger to tier lists everywhere.

[@N_IRL]

Hell, even LC

[@redmage8719]

@@N_IRL LC? What's that?

[@N_IRL]

@@redmage8719 Little cup, for baby Pokemon. And with Quagsire's face, I wouldn't be surprised if he was one XD

[@microwave8931]

@@N_IRL wynaut

[@gregorymirabella1423]

@@N_IRL don't forget about wooper.

[@VerbalLearning]

Quagsire reminds me of the qoute "local man too angry to die" except it's "local pokemon too dumb to understand it's supposed to suck".

[@pageclayton6850]

Fish forgets he has amnesia; remembers everything

[@unkindled6410]

"local fish so unaware that hes weak that he actually is strong"

[@Not_interestEd-]

I'm legitimately crying over how stupid this sounds. Just the thought of a trainer yelling at his quagsire "HOW ARE YOU VIABLE????" and it's only response is to just go "quag?"

[@cameronballz6154]

​@@Not_interestEd-"HOW ARE YOU GOOD!?" Quagsire: *rapidly losing braincells*

[@decidueyefan3844]

Quagsire just sits there Unaware of the world burning around it Staring Staring With them derpy eyes

[@underscore2736]

Great poem 10/10 would main again

[@esqimo6647]

...this is fine...

[@woop7966]

Woop

[@ronswanson7371]

Woop 😘😍😊🤗

[@ronswanson7371]

Woop aww 😘

[@matthewbrooks4512]

For a second, I misunderstood "Quagsire doesn't care about tiers" as "Quagsire doesn't care about tears" and for a second, Quagsire was the most savage creature in existence

[@angrycinnabon2956]

Quagsire doesn't care about the tears of the average Uber/AG player.

[@GBlockbreaker]

Fake tears shouldn't work on it because of unaware, no?

[@ibuprofen1381]

Quagsire _IS_ the most savage creature in existence. Look at it's stats and then absolve the fact that this thing used to tank Zacian. Z-A-C-I-A-N. Quagmetal

[@CocoLocoToco]

@@ibuprofen1381 Well what if my threw my plants on it? Not so savage anymore huh?

[@CocoLocoToco]

@Nechrotica Well,i also have taunt so u cant recover from the damage i inflict (Also no toxic)

[@Ideabot_69]

Smogon: "Sorry Quagsire, you're Never-Used." Quagsire: What??? *waddles aimlessly into Ubers*

[@MurasakiTsukimaru]

AG actually

[@Ideabot_69]

@@MurasakiTsukimaru hush, child

[@quagsire898]

Quagsire appro- oh hi zacian

[@nerdstop5025]

Me: NO QUAGSIRE, YOURE GONNA GET DESTROYE- Quagsire: *bumps into Kyogre* GIANT SUSHI MONSTER: *screams in fear* Quagsire: Quag? ... ... Quagsire: Sire. *uses eq and kills Kyogre*

[@davidhong1934]

@@nerdstop5025 Considering Wooper alone can slap Arceus into the Shadow Realm (without arms), Kyogre would be a mild stroll through the park for Quagsire

[@kellenrist3973]

Quagsire, to me, represents the best of the Pokemon metagame. It's a niche Pokemon, with mediocre stats and only a decent movepool, whose every role can be filled by something that does it better. Despite this, it continuously manages to defy expectations, show up in tiers considered superior to it, and screw over anyone who it catches off-guard. THAT is what Pokemon battling is all about: proving that you can win no matter what the numbers may say.

[@AzureRaven2]

110% agreed. I love the little derpy mudfish.

[@mrorcadood]

Kellen Rist unlike the pokemon we did next week...

[@kellenrist3973]

@@mrorcadood Meganium? Eh, it's kind of similar, though not as potentially destructive to an unprepared team. Though its numerous weaknesses mean it's got more trouble trying to stay alive.

[@mrorcadood]

@@kellenrist3973 ehh... you saw in the video how quagsire had lots of competition for roles with better stats, and its movepool and abilities have thrown it into places you'd never imagine it would be in. Meganium just gets outclassed every which way it tries to turn, and in every tier it has a pokemon that's better than it. Most people who use Meganium only use it because it's cute. (like me lol)

[@kellenrist3973]

@@mrorcadood Yeah, but like Quagsire, its strength comes in being able to do lots of things. It can set screens, spread status, heal allies, wall enemies, and dish out damage. There are Pokémon who are able to do all of those things better, but not many who can do all of them at once, and fewer who can do them as well as Meganium. Now, it's still not great, but it fills a clerical role well.

[@BingBangPoe]

Quagsire is that kind of friend who is loved by everyone just because of their happy-go-luck attitude. They're carefree and while not the best at doing things, are still accepted by others. They don't care about being the best that ever was, they just wanna have fun. Like you said, we should all be like Quagsires.

[@Obsi399]

That same guy who's friends with everyone. Studies with the nerds, hangs out with the emo kids, eats lunch with the football team, etc.

[@josepharmstrong1788]

Mega Quagsire would look exactly the same, have a general boost to its offenses and defenses, and keep the Unaware ability so it can still be Quagsire.

[@ylandry0783]

just give it a moustache and boost his stats by 30 each asides from speed and call it mega.

[@anniecenter]

So you mean Hau

[@dmann5938]

Who else but Quagmire

[@bradensmith8682]

Quagsire is the tale of an average joe facing all odds.

[@coolguy02536]

No no, Joe's the cripple.

[@anon2447]

If Kazuma from Konosuba had been reincarnated in the pokemon world he'd've been a Quagsire

[@thisisiampie6946]

@@anon2447 quagsmire is the real anime protestant

[@MaverickHunterVile]

"This thing has been played in literally every tier" Taken up to eleven as of the current gen VIII metagame (Isle of Armor). Quagsire is PU by tier, but can be used in every single one all the way to AG. Truly, Quagsire doesn't give a sh*t about tiers.

[@microwave8931]

New tier: U or Q. U = Used Q = Quag

[@christopherfleetwood5252]

I guess you could say Quag is Unaware of the tiering system.

[@jacksongreen4107]

Ah yes, the Quagsire Smogon tiers: Often Ubers, Usually Ubers, Really in Ubers, and Now in Ubers.

[@MaverickHunterVile]

@@jacksongreen4107 You forgot "Practically Uber"

[@jacksongreen4107]

@@MaverickHunterVile oh yeah, thanks

[@shineyydesigns7696]

Can we all take a moment to appreciate how Quagsire's special attack animation in ORAS and XY just looks like hes trying to sing and just goes "BWAAAAAAAAAAA"

[@generalzeta7000]

I'll take a moment with YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@grahamgengar]

@Shiny Y I felt exactly the same way

[@infinityheart_tm9270]

I think it goes like this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZninlJ9sa8SKatE

[@cobaltordinaire5219]

to quote Tom Fawkes: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@robin3815]

He's not a rabbid

[@hockeycrafter6086]

The only tiers quagsire cared about were the tears of the people it destroyed

[@hockeycrafter6086]

Edit lol named my quagsire quagmire and it stuck

[@shiennohajime1495]

Just Toxic 4Head

[@bulborb8756]

@@hockeycrafter6086 giggity

[@acemcwolf5445]

@@hockeycrafter6086 Who else but Quagsire? He's Quagsire, Quagsire, You never really know if he's there or here. He's Quagsire, Quagsire, "Herp a derp a derp a derp, What's a tier?

[@greek1237]

Yeah I have caught a many a trainer off guard with Quagsire.

[@Teddiursayoshi]

Zacian crowned: I'm the primal Groudon of my time Quagsire: imma end this man's whole career

[@janehrahan5116]

Call the ambulance... But not for meee

[@omarkn7506]

Also Quagsire to Primal Groudon: Imma end this man's whole carrer

[@alzef1375]

@person person You can't expect god to do all the work alone.

[@daphenomenalz4100]

@person person well it get 2ohkoed by calyrex with 65 sp def, that's impressive

[@shi._x.x]

@person person Zacian isn't even Ubers lol

[@trexrising4097]

Sword and Shield update: We did it bois! Our 'sire of the quagmire has acquired the ire of tier list criers! Quagsire has found a niche in Ubers once again!

[@darkrose8328]

Bruh it is now a Zacian check. Why in God's name is it once again a check against the strongest mon in its generation.

[@snivyland2878]

DarkRose because it’s quagsire at this point we should just let it do it’s own thing and not give it a tier

[@acemcwolf5445]

I like to think it wasn't even meant to be in Sw&Sh. It just...Showed up when no one was looking...As it always does... … … … :D

[@errorbirdesther]

@@acemcwolf5445 so quagsire sneaked past the border patrol

[@IdiotN4]

@@errorbirdesther He got past the border, unlike you and that horse thief over there.

[@crazyaboutthomas]

The best quote ever: “How good was Quagsire actually? Man I don’t ******* know”

[@breloommaster12]

Omg.It's.Micah pretty much this

[@h0m3st4r]

Yep. Quagsire's so stupid that the universe pretty much just gave up trying to tell it that it was worthless and let it go where it pleases.

[@blaster.m1943]

Lucario? Charizard? Gengar? Snorlax? Greninja? Mimikyu? Flygon? Eevee? Cinderace? Nah, im a man of inspiring quality *presents 6 party slots full with quagsire*

[@aquaticchaos1717]

Tom Fawkes approves

[@harryunderwood9387]

Also known as the "blank stare" lineup, these fascinating builds are completely unaware of their competition, even if they just inexplicably beat them. Nobody who has fought this team has ever survived with their sanity intact, thus cannot explain how they lost...

[@Epicgamer-eb7kk]

That actually disobeys the rules of Species clause

[@Epicgamer-eb7kk]

This single party, breaks THAT particular clause

[@blaster.m1943]

@@Epicgamer-eb7kk doesn't matter you get the point

[@derpjorge]

NU stands for "New Uber"

[@diegomedina9637]

i though it stands for "No u"

[@harryunderwood9387]

@@diegomedina9637 *Not U

[@penggao7034]

nO iT stAnDs fOr neVer uSed

[@maxbyrnes5912]

True

[@N_IRL]

@@penggao7034 bUt ThIs CoMmEnT wAs JuSt A jOkE

[@josepharmstrong1788]

Quagsire has proven its worth in Sun and Moon as a counter to Tapu Koko, Alola Marowak, Inceneroar, and a few more. Once again, Quagsire's stupidity and not giving a crap has payed off, which is why we love it so much.

[@justarandommimikyu8474]

Jk it’s in PU now (also why would anyone need a counter to incearoar and alolan marowak in ou?)

[@ThisIsntAYoutuber]

Just a Random mimikyu And despite being in PU it somehow finds a niche in other tiers. Just... WTF

[@adrianogoulartcarvalho7144]

it walls tapu-lucha really well too

[@danielq2358]

It walls so much, and ruins up those setup sweepers without grass coverage really nicely. Very good stall niche.

[@N12015]

​@@justarandommimikyu8474 Now it's UU in Gen 7 and the best Zacian's counter (The best pokemon available, maybe even at M-Rayquaza's level) due to being so dumb. Quagsire is just like "Quagsire goes where he pleases"

[@Carlitonsp1]

Meganium being one of Quagsire's first counters is hilarious.

[@spiritofnex]

I come back to this video every so often because of how funny it actually is.

[@darkmega24ify]

Yo! Same. These comments are also hilarious

[@zooms7889]

same!

[@SPZ-gv2on]

Once again

[@Kambyday]

Your not alone

[@ringoffire0]

"So how good was it? Man I don't f***ing know!" nice answer

[@marcelob.fuentes]

Yah pretty nice

[@ClandonV6]

Something about the "MAN I don't @#$%ing know." cracks me up every single time. As if, like, wtf is Quagsire doing. Is it doing good? Is it doing bad? It...just... MAN I don't @#$%ing know. LMFAO

[@josepharmstrong1788]

I don't think it knows either, and I don't think it cares and that's all that matters.

[@harryunderwood9387]

It's just... there.

[@tomurashigaraki9770]

It doesn't do good or bad, it just does.

[@justinvarghese6852]

@@tomurashigaraki9770 perfectly and wholesomely balanced...as all things should be

[@cosum223]

How GOOD was Shiny Ampharos ACTUALLY? ;)

[@cabrondemente1]

Fabulous

[@GuardianDiancie]

Lol

[@AshyBlossom]

AMAZING IDEA

[@kevinriehl5155]

Doesn't matter I still love him enough to put him on all my teams no matter how mediocre he was

[@SamuelSamuelSamuel1]

Yas plz

[@cosum223]

How GOOD was Ditto ACTUALLY? Yeah. I'd like to see you explain that

[@ShinyTillDawn]

April fools day is not far away. That is a good idea.

[@ryanbusch2885]

How good was it’s opponents?

[@redwings13400]

As someone who's played around with Ditto a lot, I think I can answer this. Before gen V, Ditto was awful, setting up with transform means a dead ditto before it can do anything. Beginning in gen V, Ditto was pretty decent, because with a choice scarf and imposter it can outspeed anything. Playing around ditto is surprisingly difficult, because imposter copies setup, so Ditto is one of the best counters to setup sweepers in the game. If your team can't handle your +2 attack Garchomp, Ditto can just sweep you. Ditto plays really well against aggressive teams, but can do pretty poorly with stall teams. Ultimately, how good Ditto is depends on how well designed your opponent's team is to counter itself. If you have a garchomp and five pokemon that can be koed by earthquake or outrage, you're in trouble. However, Ditto's reliance on choice scarf to guarantee getting off an attack means that it can be played around, moves like protect can pretty much guarantee a free switch if you have one available to you, so its still not top tier.

[@Izaya-472]

Was only good when it got Imposter usually it was used as a anti-setup or revenge killer.

[@davidhong1934]

@@Izaya-472 In other words, ti effectively play Ditto, your opponent has to be SUS

[@jaschabull2365]

Ironic that the most blissfully ignorant pokémon of all time had taunt as one of its biggest weaknesses throughout the game. It can shrug off tier placements and literal blows to the head no problem, but insult it, and it completely loses its cool. In any case, I vote meganium. The other shoe's gotta drop sometime.

[@yonatanbeer3475]

he just wants a hug

[@ThisIsntAYoutuber]

The literal opposite of “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me”

[@ottovonbismarck2191]

@@yonatanbeer3475 I'd hug him

[@powerhousejp]

Unaware should have been given a hidden effect, where moves like Taunt are ignored. It would have been very true to the pokemon that get the ability...and who knows, maybe it would make the ability selection matter more than just asking, "How many Kyogre will I face today?" :)

[@LilyTengoku]

@@powerhousejp This is now true for oblivious. Not for unaware though

[@BuildingHP]

Is it weird that this in-depth analysis of Quagsire is kind of inspiring?

[@couchpotatocentral825]

It's not weird at all

[@shaunlorenztan8129]

no none at all. I consider this a motivationl video tbh

[@zooms7889]

nope

[@ShadowtheYouTuber523]

9:43

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

Well, turned out it was one of the most interresting videos of this channel.

[@allewis4008]

Quagsire, a Derpy type pokemon.

[@gabrielcaian2644]

Shy Tenda Be like Quagsire. Follow your dreams and don't worry if no one thinks you can do it. You can kill ancient orcas like no one else can.

[@jacoblertora1829]

You KNOW you're an expert on the meta when, after spending a whole video analyzing a pokemon, you just say "Man I don't f*cking know" or maybe quagsire is just that good

[@jaffabaffa]

How GOOD was Blue-Eyes White Dragon ACTUALLY?

[@LunaLament]

thats my favourite digimon

[@williamsully9544]

That's not a pokemon

[@coutiya2007]

Marie Sully the jokes just fly over your head, don't they.

[@jcwynn4075]

This made me lol

[@readthycomment]

Blue-eyes decks are the most RNG type of decks ever. Also 2 tributes for a 3000 atk card aint really worth it imo. Easily Rarely used.

[@batataacelerada4698]

This derpy boi just jumped from PU to UU because yes Just accept it Quagsire is in any tier it wants

[@N12015]

Well, Gastrodon jumped from PU to OU and stayed here like 6 months.

[@abarette_]

@He ro lmao

[@rafy.h.3108]

Lopunny went from Untiered to OU cuz of a mega.

[@רועיכהן-ל1י]

@@rafy.h.3108 mawile went from pu to ubers beacuse mega

[@phantom_boii]

ProbablyUber to UsuallyUber

[@merabledawnspark5827]

Update for Scarlet/Violet, Quagsire is still in gen 9! What’s more hilarious is that he has a brother! Introducing Clodsire! Grass possess no problems for his brother. Being poison neutralizes grass and with water absorb, Clodsire happily showers itself with water! They both also can be unaware the world around them. His brother is more physical than the original Quagsire. Still though, both sires happily accompany each other!

[@Giratina575]

The derp twins

[@merabledawnspark5827]

@@Giratina575 Indeed! Derp sire brothers! XD Non competitive wise, the community overall loves Clodsire! Big, squishy, and derpy looking, the poison Pokemon is very loved Competitive, as of right now, Clodsire gives off as a respected Special Defense. Being able to utilize Unaware, Clodsire ignores the stat changes and his Special Defense is pretty high. He also possesses moves such as Recover to make him last longer than usual. Overall, Clodsire is well loved and respected much like his counterpart Quagsire XD

[@Mordecrox]

Also the sires are hard counters to Zacian, an AG tier mon

[@doleboi5969]

How cute was ampharos actually?

[@LeRuseBird]

Well, it was okay.

[@eddiev2263]

DeadlyInvasion Major downgrade after evolving from Flaafy and Mareep

[@redisbored8280]

electric sheep became bald sheep

[@lheiannajheancarino9480]

Ampharos: I'm sorry that is not cute, it's not very good enouthe in competitive play

[@TanasinnAZ]

This was such an interesting video compared to the rest. The fact that Quagsire gets played in all tiers regardless of its stats was incredible.

[@derekgerson6561]

You don’t see it much anymore but it’s still has that niche to this day

[@sniya]

Still see it on OU stall!

[@elliotw.888]

there's a name for these types of pokemon but I forgot. pokemon like ditto and smeargle that are PU by tiering but can be played very well in higher tiers if the player knows how to use them well

[@acemcwolf5445]

Competitively good? Competitively bad? Quagsire doesn't care, He's just happy to be here.

[@AyranLP]

How GOOD was MILOTIC actually? Dude i can't m,ake up any more puns man. I've been on the top SO MANY TIMES YOU SAW ME I KNOW IT

[@joshuamast4833]

Weakness Policy Milotic is my favorite bulky water type. :D

[@ShinyTillDawn]

Milotic: A very good water-type tank.

[@bobvella7228]

what a coincidence, i've been rambling to strangers that it's weird how i have a milotic but not a gyrados these last 2 days.

[@AngryLittleAmericansCartoons]

We'll get Milotic up there one way or another

[@Shulski44]

Emin Gani I don't much care for Milotic but I respect your persistence. You have my full support.

[@lenixad0094]

How could you NOT love quagsire? It has mediocre stats, lots of checks, and it's clearly stupid, yet it keeps kicking ass and annoying everyone no matter the tier it's in. Respect.

[@pepeknight]

Daniel Llanos I fear the day Quagsire gets buffed. This thing is an abomination on Hardcore Stall teams, and the last thing Singles need is Stall buffs.

[@lenixad0094]

I don't know about that. Despite it's utility, quagsire it's nowhere near to being used frequently by players compared to other mons. Sadly, this pokes don't get that much love to deserve the treatment.

[@pepeknight]

Daniel Llanos The reason Quagsire doesn't get enough usage is that aside from Hardcore Stall Teams, quag is dead weight. Take Toxapex for example, amazing on stall while splashable on balance teams. If Quagsire gets buffed to the point of being viable on other teams like balance, Stall wil be unbearable.

[@lenixad0094]

MD3 Fan I agree, but it is also because quagsire is one of those pokemon that are seen as average, and people tend to use badass and more known mons like garchomp, metagross, etc, overlooking its potential.

[@john_evo]

Not to mention it's so cute :3

[@theathletic_nerd4601]

I don't know why, but the idea of Quagsire staring down a Kyurem-Black with that goofy smile is hilarious.

[@stiltzkinvanserine5164]

Quagsire: "Frankly, my dear Pokemon, I don't give a damn."

[@nirtheart]

How GOOD was *Staraptor* ACTUALLY? This is the coolest of birds.

[@drpepper4761]

Gen 4: BL Gen 5: BL Gen 6: BL Gen 7: BL

[@cethys7213]

It would actually be interesting to see what he has to say about Staraptor, as it's always been in BL since Gen4.

[@justcrafty2676]

Donald Duck. That doesn't tell us much

[@sosams]

Reckless, Access to such incredible moves like Close Combat, Brave Bird and Double-Edge or Return... But seriously moved apart from OU, probably because its defensive stats.

[@Ronald_Ruck]

Reckless and Intimidate are two very great abilities to chose from. Also it has a strong moves but not that huge pool to choose from. Also look at it's hairdo! That is so fucking punk!

[@X-V1L3]

Smogon: hello Quagsire. You have been chosen to to fall to Never-Used. Quagsire: YOOOOO I'M UBERS NOW! Smogon: ...

[@ShadowtheYouTuber523]

Smogon: Well yes but actually only to check Kyogre!

[@X-V1L3]

@@ShadowtheKZbinr523 ...

[@ShadowtheYouTuber523]

What? That's what the guy said.

[@X-V1L3]

@@ShadowtheKZbinr523 ... (didn't get that)

[@ShadowtheYouTuber523]

Really?! The guy who tells about the Pokemon's competitive history in these videos told that Quagsire got into Ubers once but only for the sake of checking Kyogre!!

[@user-pd8ne6vw7i]

How good was Flygon ACTUALLY?

[@LukeLol627]

A Ghost ok in gen 3 Very good in gen 4 Bad from gen 5-7 it just got outclassed by garchomp and now it had ddance over chomp but there's still zygarde. Unless it gets a mega it won't be very viable in OU

[@590488]

Luke awa they stop doing megas a while ago

[@extremistgarchomp4950]

Outclassed from the get go.

[@knightwingowl1923]

A Ghost it sucks end of story

[@LukeLol627]

Swagford95 well we don't know yet when they make gen 4 remakes they probably would make megas. Imo it was dumb for them to release so many megas at a time. It would be better with like 5 or 8 megas a game like for example in the gen 4 remakes give the starters a mega and give iconic mons megas like staraptor, honchkrow, luxray, gliscor(new lando maybe) but that's just my opinion

[@chaosbreaker657]

"And not much changed about Quagsire in the transition to Gen 6, as it probably watched the emergence of Fairy-types and had absolutely no cogent thoughts about what that meant." Guess Quagsire and I pretty much share the same trait, eh? Being unaware to the world around us.

[@Cat-ki3hy]

But at least quagsire gets to go to ubers

[@TheVengefulVadam]

How good was Magmar/Magmortar ACTUALLY?

[@shawn3126]

*HORRIBLE*

[@dthagod]

The Vengeful 'Vadam don't forget Electivire

[@CortezVontero2]

i didn't expect for somebody to make quagsire so inspiring but you did. new respect for the derp. and i guess how GOOD was octillery ACTUALLY

[@sayvionwashington1939]

Gen 6 and 7 Octillery is a Pokemon that's basically screaming: Octillery: Can I have a Mega Gamefreak? Gamefreak: No! Octillery: Okie Dokie! I'll stay in PU...I guess....

[@coolguy02536]

'the derp' is a good name for him.

[@coolguy02536]

'the derp' is a good name for him.

[@TheThegreatshinigami]

Quagsire Abilities: Unaware Water Absorb Derp, I mean Damp

[@bcgazero6472]

"Quagsire is low tier" Quagsire:this sign can't stop me because i can't read

[@nonsensicalnonsense1307]

"Man I don't fucking know" Lmao

[@PenguinSebs]

Quagsire was actually OU for a while in ORAS, then some of the stuff it dealt with got sent to ubers and also the meta just shifted and made quagsire a niche pick, again.

[@ryco9669]

I was surprised it wasn't mentioned when it went to OU when Baton Pass chains got popular and lead to Clefable rising as an Unaware user over Magic Guard

[@DillonSolos]

So... Still nobody knows how fucking strange this thing is.

[@toastkirby]

WTF?

[@MidoriOfTheShuinsen]

We'll see it in Ubers again soon enough.

[@dragonflarefrog1424]

@@MidoriOfTheShuinsen Too good for Ubers, it has a niche in Anything Goes

[@forgotten_gaming87]

Mega quagsire idea: Nothing changes, he just gets bigger. and all his stats get boosted by 100, making his Base Stat Total, 1030

[@lazydelibird]

So it's still in AG bullying moody pokemon, mega ray and zacian crowned.

[@memelurd7341]

He gets the arms of mega swampert

[@kaja3932]

@@memelurd7341 and the legs of seismitoad

[@memelurd7341]

@@kaja3932 what about dorkly marshtomp

[@priestesslucy3299]

@@kaja3932 and the Fu Man Chu of Whiscash

[@TheBigAyland]

After ending Gen 7 in UU, and it's role in Gen 8 Ubers, I want an update. How GREAT was Quagsire ACTUALLY?

[@NATE-op9tq]

How good was Wobuffet actually?

[@cosum223]

Ikr from Uber to PU

[@SamuelSamuelSamuel1]

His most common ability was banned rip shadow tag 😭

[@stevenmattrell3448]

*How GOOD was Donphan ACTUALLY?* I WILL NEVER GIVE UP

[@luka9500]

Steven M Attrell Defensive tank in RU/UU, happy?

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

It was amazing... According to all the dumbass six year olds that kept using it in OU despite the fact that there were literally a dozen better options for a ground type in OU

[@BLiZIHGUH]

+

[@sosams]

As Smogon says... worthless. It is outclassed by Gligar/Gliscor as an entry hazard remover. But hey, at least it has good coverage

[@Wizard_Lizard_]

Never give up bro. I've been sticking with Muk for 2 months.

[@pouffling7649]

How BAD was Meganium actually?

[@pokemaniacmasterx3132]

The Banished Froslass lol no XD

[@GlossArt]

TKHulk (ToonamiKusagari) it's actually not anywhere near decent, it's not the worst pokemon in the game but it for sure is awful

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

TKHulk (ToonamiKusagari) what did you smoke when you posted that? Many NFE pokemon are better than Meganium

[@GlossArt]

TKHulk (ToonamiKusagari) the problem with that is that there are many many pokemon that can do that same support role better, which is generally what makes a pokemon "bad". it has nothing that makes it worth using over anything else

[@TheAzozoi]

Meganium is horrible and would be the worst starter if pokemon yellow never existed Pure grass type is trash, it has 100 in both defences and 80, the only thing it can do is putting reflect and light screen(and then die lol). Seriously, playing Meganium is like begging your opponent to set up on your face.

[@liamfergusson6151]

This is genuinely a video I keep coming back to when I'm feeling down. Quagsire and slowbro are two of my favourite water types and it's weirdly uplifting to know that those two are tearing up the tier list without a single thought in either of their heads

[@victorlinares4137]

Especially rn quagsire is firmly uu while its regional variant clodsire is great in ou

[@2l84me8]

Quagmire is like that happy kid who was always told by his teachers he would never amount to anything while still blissfully unaware of life’s issues and still manages to succeed in his own special way.

[@PokeBattlerJaze]

Quagsire is Forrest Gump? I’m ok with this

[@unkindled6410]

​@@PokeBattlerJaze so quagsire went to serve the military and was notoriously good without really trying and not being aware of how even when being praised he was getting yelled at?

[@PokeBattlerJaze]

@@unkindled6410 yes, exactly that

[@nathanf1149]

How GOOD was Meganium ACTUALLY? ik you said youd do it next but still

[@sumireneso5341]

How good was Ampharos ACTUALLY, again

[@endermewtwogaming2817]

already done

[@endermewtwogaming2817]

i was typing that reply just before the beggining of the vid and right when i sent it, i heard the joke on the vid XD

[@aurathedraak7909]

Phoneguy 21 that's one of my favorite Pokémon even in ultra moon.

[@BasementSkeleton97]

It was already done, but I love that Zane can't let go how "cute" it is. Though don't get me wrong it is kinda adorable. Sadly Ampharos never really got any new moves and stuff as the generations went on and its mega is "ok"

[@Marcusjnmc]

yall know that's why that bit at the end of the comment says 'again' right

[@That_One_Guy-.]

5:53 I love how he slightly laughs at saying that.

[@SpongeKiller42]

How good was my dad at scarring me emotionally

[@qq4094]

OU from the looks of it.

[@SpongeKiller42]

kyle green I call it OW

[@wahbucket501]

SpongeKiller42 How good was SpongeKiller42 in Little Cup ACTUALLY?

[@natnew32]

Fun fact: in May 2016, during usual tier shifts, Quagsire moved from NU to... OU? at once? That was due to the rise of Stall in OU. Still, it jumped THREE TIERS? June? still there. July? hasn't changed. Still hanging on. It took until August for it to drop to UU, but by September it was RU, and October had it back in NU. Just to show how crazy this thing is.

[@CarniTato]

I remember that time. It was so annoying but once everyone got the trick it disappeared. Just to wait in the shadow and crush your dreams again...

[@jakemoore5064]

I was wondering if he'd talk about that

[@Psycho3418]

Thing is, when rises happen they rise to the tier that uses them. If something in NU becomes popular in OU it'd make no sense rising it to RU when it isn't used there. But yeah, metashifts that favor stall usually meant Quagsire got better.

[@natnew32]

I know, but here's the thing: How did a pokemon like Quagsire, NU, somehow become very popular in OU in such a short timespan?

[@Psycho3418]

Quagsire has always been used in OU. It's just about meeting the usage requirements and with the Unaware ability it has a role in stopping setup sweepers on stall teams. So when stall becomes good/popular, it usually means Quagsire got better also. Although in this specific example it is due to a stall team that was really popular at the time.

[@Mannehrlich]

Before Watching this video.. im guessing you will say Swampert atleast 15 times

[@ghostzombies3252]

No wonder why quagsire doesn't give a shit about anything, it's literally in every teir except NU/PU ._. I wonder what tiers gamefreek wanted quagsire to be in

[@jacobdyingextraordinaire4805]

Low judging from its stats, but it was given many gifts over the years. With better stats, it’d be totally top tier.

[@matt54740]

@@jacobdyingextraordinaire4805 they really should give him more hp and defense

[@GoldStorm07]

@@matt54740 Given that all of its base stats end in 5, it would be cool for it to just get small buffs of 5 across the board to end in 100/90/90/70/70/40, or even just raising its physical and special stats by the same amount. Quagsire clearly only needs a tiny numerical boost to become truly effective.

[@alexsano1450]

How GOOD was Tentacruel ACTUALLY?! back to gen 1 baby!

[@MasutaMJ]

Aspire to be Quagsire: Vote 2020

[@JulianimeIsAmazing]

So, NOW Meganium right? :D

[@l0n37]

JulianimeIsAmazing You get it

[@zinofwin]

Nah, it sucks. We all know it. No video needed

[@Eeveeguru]

No, time for Ditto

[@l0n37]

zinofwin How bad was Meganium ACTUALLY we still wanna see

[@jeremyrossi2716]

Clodsire in Scarlet and Violet OU killing fairies left and right: “I will finish what you started…Grandfather…”

[@Not_interestEd-]

Bold of you to assume either Quagsire or Clodsire have a single thought going through their head.

[@mrJLJ66]

"How GOOD was Quagsire ACTUALLY?" *10 minutes later* "I DON'T FUCKIN KNOW!"

[@theskullboy8700]

This has to be one of the weirdest things in esports history

[@jex1689]

Lol

[@andrestewart2316]

Poor Meganium it got the shaft, it already has the title of the worst starter and tbh even if a "how good" vid was released in the future it wouldn't do it any favours. Even with we ignore competitive viability (even in the most niche settings Bayleef w/eviolite is better), it's not very effective against most gyms in Johto being the "hard" mode of gen 2!, seriously Meganium NEEDS a buff with a mega and a better moveset (or even a regional variant) too bad it's highly unlikely to happen... :/.

[@mathewricafrente5984]

I chose Chikorita as my starter when I first picked up Crystal from the Eshop. Wish me luck!

[@maninthetrenchcoat5603]

Andre Stewart The Gen 2 Starters all need Megas. But really I don't know how they could make Meganium better.

[@baumlutscher8495]

Sadly, i love Meganium :p

[@burgskeletal3149]

Andre Stewart Bayleef is not only better designed, but also better for competive if it has Eviolite. Poor Meganium );

[@5cary_hours]

Meganium is pretty good imo i used one that lived a mega lopunny ice punch at

[@ragpyildiz3212]

How good was Suicune-our bulky water type-ACTUALLY?

[@EdmacZ]

Quagsire in Gen 7: Smogon: Your stats suck and you're RarelyUsed. Quagsire: ..... :) (Current B- Viability Ranking in OU). As for its Water/Ground bretheren... Swampert? Dropped to total irrelevance in OU. Only its Mega is doing anything viable and that is only in rain. Gastrodon? Plummeted into PU. Seismitoad? Lol. As the video says, Quagsire just does not give a fuck about your tiers or "niches". It goes where it wants to go, and does whatever it wants to do.

[@lworc]

its a bittersweet feeling, because my favorite pokemon are swampert and quagsire. I'm happy that quagsire finally got the recognition it deserves, but my other baby swampert :(

[@omkarlokhande3092]

Well seismitoad recently did rise to popularity recently as a dracovish counter

[@muthukumaraRajansk]

aay , dont say that to ma swamy boi

[@Rarest26]

And then Whiscash... *we don’t talk about Whiscash*

[@hosni4064]

How GOOD were Misdreavus and Mismagius ACTUALLY?

[@ericblank6945]

How GOOD were Misdreavus and Mismagius ACTUALLY? PLEASE!

[@Roller610]

How good was metagross actually?

[@purpleheartneptune6267]

Boi metagross isn’t a eeveeloution and he said that wouldn’t happen in the espeon video

[@swag9374]

But SquadGaming never said that Metagross was an eeveelution. The fuck?

[@Roller610]

Zeta what?

[@Solereaper21]

Man I could really go for a pizza right now

[@oake5869]

Imma get one, thanks for helping me decide dinner :)

[@jirehjirehjirehjireh]

Oake Pepperoni with plenty of veggies right now sounds amazing

[@abandonedsamurai581]

@@jirehjirehjirehjireh Ok but without onions please

[@jirehjirehjirehjireh]

Abandoned Samurai Keep the mushrooms?

[@abandonedsamurai581]

@@jirehjirehjirehjireh Sure, with a cheese edge?

[@alqu6375]

"How good was Quagsire? I don't f@#$ing know!"

[@catchupkorndog5872]

This video was surprisingly inspiring.

[@endermewtwogaming2817]

How good was meganium actually?

[@ardipithecus11]

total shit

[@awkwardbirb5710]

I keep revisiting this episode a lot, Quagsire's skyrocketed to one of my favorite pokemon just because of how doofy he is, both aesthetically, and from a competitive standpoint.

[@generalzeta7000]

You and me both. But I mainly return do read the comments. It a good laugh.

[@nln5544]

Ye

[@nullifytheshark2423]

This one is my new favorite lol After the Smeargle one. There’s something really funny and heartwarming about Quagsire just showing up in higher tiers and doing whatever it wants while the other mons are like “Wtf...?”

[@josepharmstrong1788]

Quagsire, the only thing that survives maximum instinct Shaggy.

[@christopherfleetwood5252]

Because he’s Unaware?

[@lazydelibird]

@@christopherfleetwood5252 bingo

[@janehrahan5116]

yeah maximum attack investment shaggy still can't 2hko it, and with recover boosting only a double crit will let shaggy kill, if quag gets a stockpile or a burn shaggy might have to switch out.

[@shudeepta]

Although theoretically sash wobbuffet is the best counter to maximum instinct shaggy With sash wobbuffet could live 1 hit and remove it with counter easliy since shaggy couldn't switch out.

[@yayazou7937]

I like the implication of unaware being that a max attack boost is only a boost if your Pokémon thinks it’s real. If you don’t think it’s real, then that attack boost means nothing

[@FarCritical]

Oddly philosophical if you think about it

[@eddykidplayzyt]

“Nuh-uh” -quagsire

[@thequagiestsire]

I feel like a Mega Quagsire would just be a normal Quagsire but about 0.75 feet taller. Nothing else. Just that. Edit: quag

[@Significantharrassment]

Quag

[@KelThaFunkeeGaming]

Let’s finish up with meganium!

[@azelfdaboi5265]

They said I could become anything So I became everything

[@BlueWolfZero]

Gen 8, Quagsire is one of Zacian’s best friends in Ubers.

[@lucario7version2.08]

Or Zacian's worst enemy!

[@russelllim4891]

Frenemies

[@janehrahan5116]

Quagsire would think they are friends for sure.

[@janehrahan5116]

@person person This is why you bring clefable for the special side. Quag walls the physicals, cleffable the specials.

[@KrazyKyle-ij9vb]

I'm just waiting for the 40 minute documentary titled "How GREAT was Quagsire actually?" It deserves it. It's Quagsire.

[@Aeromancer-Draco-Lord]

Please do meganium

[@LordEmpyreal]

How good was Wobbuffet?

[@goldenhydreigon4727]

Everyone: What tier is Quagsire? FSG: Yes

[@PhantomAarantula]

Unaware is such a fascinating ability. You're basically forcing your enemies to fight without the power creep that defined future generations as setup moves became more common. Way to keep everyone honest.

[@Tuetenbratwurst]

How good was ma boi Dunsparce actually (I know he wasn't good at all but still)?

[@andrebryant3312]

I'm in the same boat, fam. I just wanna know how absolutely rancid my favorite pokemon is so that I can make fun of my friends for being bodied by a bad pokemon.

[@scotty2hottie469]

Yes! We need Dunsparce!

[@kurifukun7633]

I'm here after defeating Cynthia with a level 55 quagsire with unaware. She tried swords dance THREE TIMES with garchomp and laughed as I toxic it away. Quagsire is god 🔥

[@kvetchenfinks7044]

How good was FALSE SWIPE GAMING actually?

[@Ras_2k]

Isaac Is RundeeMan05 yes that is an amazing idea

[@johnholman918]

PU

[@readthycomment]

Easily Ubers.

[@n484251]

Very, very niche.

[@justsomechupacabrawithinte2782]

Lilly Satou a little too low it has to be better than mega Rayquaza and it can’t be defeated

[@seawed3414]

There should just be a unique tier for quagsire called "why"

[@iceflake6179]

How GOOD was SWAMPERT actually? come on we all know you liek mudkips