How GradeA Fell From Grace (Part 1)

How did GradeA, a KZbinr we all loved, grow to be this hated?
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[@QuintonReviews]

Just so we're all on the same page, I hate this video and I wouldn't have made it if I had known that it would get this big.

[@izaicslinux6961]

Literally just found this.... Already a minute in... i see why.

[@OG_Dropbox]

Why pin this over a year later? I never watched grade so i have no real opinion on the video

[@itsdiamond4149]

m8 video is bullcrap gradea is not an insane guy like ur explaining... hes awesome and i miss his videos

[@cockbreath01]

Going over your greatest hits? I took this from your comment below this "Quenten reviews has 1,400 subs grade has 3mill grade is better" Did you really only have that many 2 years ago?...fuck knows why I'm asking we both probably have reply notifications turned off.

[@laurivirtanen8636]

I was about to make hate comments but thanks for clarifying.

[@xenasBS]

Nostalgia Critic being used as a positive example dates this video more than anything else.

[@threesdeadend5131]

2 months late, but what happened?

[@japanesemyth]

@@threesdeadend5131 the whole channel awesome was a company who abused many of their workers released in a detailed verified document from 2016. And nostalgia critic is kind of a hack who hasn't grown as a creator or a critic.

[@Jfam11638]

To be honest though the context he’s using him in was fairly valid at the time, how there’s typically a distinguishable line between the Critic and Doug in terms of their attitudes, for instance the Critic might explode in anger at a scene in Quest for Camelot but Doug might merely just cringe I don’t think that line exists between Grade and his real life persona, and that’s the point Quinton was trying to get across overall. You don’t need to think NC is good to say that there is (or was, I don’t watch him anymore) a degree of separation between Doug and his character Doesn’t have anything to do with the CA scandals really. Lol

[@heavymetalfan1167]

Doug really has nothing to do with the change the channel stuff a frozen stay outside the business side of things

[@Lucifersfursona]

To me the other biggest one is Quinton defending police in good faith. Oh how we must grow and learn (which tbf he did do)

[@deluciapvp9603]

I forgot GradeAUnderA was even alive

[@PhatomFoxy]

FeaR Prongzy cancer is persistant

[@dimanya950]

FeaR Prongzy he stopped uploading

[@faizaliqbal2284]

he's alive.

[@lauren-yf3eq]

Sponge Gar Brother, I have finally found you

[@cherryistrash4080]

Delucia PvP I checked out his channel the other day and I forgot that I unsubbed a very long time ago

[@legendaryvvizard4388]

Grade made fun of drama channels until he became one lol

[@rayhan_2k841]

Thomas Bangalter reading a newspaper he got dragged in so could you blame him

[@ieatcrayons2058]

RAY RAY no he dragged himself into this, most of his videos are talking shit to other youtubers, REACTOR humiliates this guy for being a drama fuild hypocrite. He can ass other youtubers buthe doesnt want it to happen himself.

[@rainbowninja7749]

Yes! Reactor is like the one who really STARTED the GradeA fell from grace thing. He is the one who brought Grades horribleness to light.

[@getamber2671]

Takis Boy What?

[@tok33n14]

Dixen Prime except grade was never a hero, not even a false one

[@silentdrummer8501]

I liked Grade when he focused on little everyday life annoyances or shit that doesn't make sense like the gift card video, but he started loosing me with all the youtube drama. Like, I had no idea who most of those youtubers he was beefing with were and had no interest in the "youtube is changing" drama.

[@Improbabilities]

If you want a short "old grade" fix, take a look at truthrage. Same concept, but without the drama.

[@silentdrummer8501]

I'm do that, good looking out.

[@BeersAndBeatsPDX]

Exactly. He was funny when he was just "angry guy gets mad at stuff he shouldn't be mad at."

[@retrogamelover2012]

Basically, you liked him when he was basically the equivalent of "You know what's bullshit?", and not like every typical, "enlightened" commentator cretin on youtube.

[@QuintonReviews]

Don't really know how I'm supposed to respond to opposition comments that just say "ur wronge kys"

[@yourworstnightmare7343]

don't, a response is what gets them hard, if they don't like your opinion bc it opposes theirs then that's their beef, theyve got 2 choices, they can click off & go to someone who shares their opinions so they're not triggered or they can leave shitty, unoriginal comments that make no difference to what the creator thinks that leaves them fizzing bc you still don't agree even after their idiotic attempt to encourage you to.

[@CoolioMaister]

So what if he does? That's gonna make GradeA look even more petty... attacking a guy with *valid* opinions. God I hate his fanbase, bunch of 12 year olds...

[@joelvinson]

Fucking emo hipsters.

[@thomasweyand7954]

Quinton Reviews Say "No U!" I hear that one stumps all opposition. Wait!!! Use your trap card against them!!!

[@BlindBloomer]

Thatshow ED Stefan hates America and he's an apologist for right wing Christian hypocrisy

[@theCaseyJfit]

OMFG THE BEARD THEORY WAS RIGHT

[@vulgarpotato]

SuDdEnKWiKZ what

[@bugtussle5720]

Vulgar Potato Have you watched the video? Quentin drew a beard on Grade because he thought that's what he would look like.

[@vulgarpotato]

Sorry, I thought that SuDdEnKWiKZ was referring to that. As in, saying to Quentin, "You were right! Your theory of him having a beard was right!" I was just confused because I thought that that picture from his face reveal was the only one revealed. :P

[@Donejail]

For those who don't get it, look up "GradeAUnderA face reveal twitch" on youtube

[@LordTeaboBaggins]

I could never forget the time Grade A couldn’t for the life understand why Repzion might have been a touch upset at Vegan Gains from threatening to kill him

[@babypurplebat2610]

If anyone liked grade's content and animation style, I suggest Sam O'Nella as a replacement

[@llecture]

I second this, Sam O’Nella is actually funny tho

[@valhael9571]

I love Sam's videos haha

[@MrDgf97]

0 Subscribers without any videos Tbh grade is actually pretty funny too. He just happened to be a horrible fucking person.

[@ghostnoodle9721]

Yes topshelf wordplay and jokes that you could only get iif you researched yourself about the topic. His wordplay is my foreplay

[@unnamedgoon6196]

And Sam O'Nella actually teaches you about shit while being funny.

[@TheBumblingMum]

This new content has been great. The effort you put in really shows.

[@Hope_Prevail]

Couldn't agree more

[@Aerolian]

We need Keem and Scarce to watch this video. If they make a video talking about this, Quin will get lots of attention.

[@MeCreateAccountxD]

Scarce is boring.

[@fiddlove]

Don't forget literally all the people who dog pile and make more drama videos about it and milk the topic until it dries up.

[@purpleboye_]

This hilariously dull comment has a suspicious ammount of likes. I'm guessing Keemstar sent you?

[@psychobillynumbnuts1]

The thing is that his fame got to his head. He seemed like he was unstoppable and so he got into drama thinking their would not be an outcome.

[@Vegasboy1038]

The Unknown Psycho yeah it happens quite a bit with other KZbinrs who get too caught up with their fame and online personality to the point where they become one in the same and I think that's what's happening with him the fame got to his head and he became addicted to being GradeAUnderA and now is trying his best to get his fix of Grade but I do sometimes like his content though

[@bailey7792]

There*

[@TrevorTrunks71]

The Unknown Psycho Remember when grade was smaller and made simple rant videos like the barber or the public bathroom vid? he was great but then he got involved with the main "problems" of youtube and to me his videos started to slip in quality

[@vec1954]

The Unknown Psycho There*

[@mdil2106]

The Unknown Psycho you may be unknown but I’m a man

[@surgeland9084]

2:50-3:30 Sargon of Akkad?

[@brianfoster4427]

LOL

[@swagar]

Pretty much everyone that's ever been in his Google Hangouts videos as well.

[@boilledwater_3306]

who?

[@surgeland9084]

@DJ MC For me is both.

[@HarperNell]

Oh man he's just like this kid from my school who's actually on the debate team. But seriously I used to LOVE his videos and I never found out about this. I was just like "huh. He stopped uploading. Must of Left YT." Turns out all my fave youtubers were actually dicks. I made some poor fandom choices.

[@UniTheAppl]

War In Progress (I know this response is later than a train when you're in a hurry, but meh, imma just start :P) It's not yor "fault" that you like/liked the pure content they've made. After all everyone has things that they enjoy doing or watching and that's usually different for everyone. When people like something they usually have a really tunnel like straight look at those things they like about it while the inner mind unintentionally ignores signs of things that might make what they like look bad. With other people looking behind the curtains and showing their discovery they can change ones point of view an make a "why did I like something like this?!"-reaction. That's a bit like with actors whos looks you like, or who's acting you prefer over that of other actors or whatever. You like/liked their content and might not feel/have felt too eager to ask how much is really behind it. :3 And yes, it can also be that some people have closed the creator of the content they love into their heart and deny anything going against him, buuuuut that's an other story ^.^

[@alextorres4667]

Don't say fandom

[@doggo5299]

Don't breathe

[@jonnyboi2865]

Dont you hate it when it turns out all your subed youtubers are trash lol

[@nathanclark2424]

@@jonnyboi2865 Whatever someone might think of Doug Walker and Channel Awesome, I can say this. I liked Doug's work. I liked his videos and even when I thought that it wasnt funny, I still appreciated what he had to say. After the fiasco though, all I can think of is the possibility that he was involved in this shit. 4 years of watching him, of loving his work.

[@sorenkair]

Who would win: Well thought out arguments with detailed points. *_ONE LOUD LONG CHINNED BOI_*

[@me-gp1fj]

Sorenkair GRADEEE

[@daltonbedore8396]

chinsmash fatality everitym

[@adoptdontshop3911]

Sorenkair The Crimson Chin

[@belledelphine9692]

bIG CHIN BOII

[@optic1017]

One loud long chin boi

[@QuintonReviews]

A lot people have started to say that I'm a racist for saying that Grade probably have a beard. They argue that I'm trying to make him look a terrorist. As I never said anything like that, these arguments are dumb. Well, I went and did some research. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o53OaGp6oq-Hp9k Fuck you, I was right. Quinton Reviews.

[@ThruTheEarth]

i love you

[@mtnduwu]

It's funny how channels that can't earn their own subscribers and views on their own have to piggyback off of other peoples names, don't you think?

[@mtnduwu]

***** I didn't dislike the video because likes and dislikes are petty. I haven't enjoyed Grades videos over the last few months because they are petty. However, it's pretty sad that this is how this guy with 2,000 views on his other videos had to grow his channel.

[@QuintonReviews]

I see a lot of people saying that I used the Grade situation to grow my channel. Just figured I'd explain my side of the situation. I don't decide which of my videos get popular. 2.5% of my content is Drama related. This will probably be my last Drama video in the for-see-able future. When my Leafy vid got big and people said "make more videos on KZbinrs" there was only two I could think of doing. Grade was one of them. I have been planning this for a while -- I had just finished the first draft when the "Real Leafyishere" video hit and I got freaked out. I figured that everyone would be doing Grade videos pretty soon and that if I waited as long as I had planned (this was meant to go live the third week of October, not the first) people would say that I was riding a bandwagon and I was just copying others. So I rushed the video out and purposefully avoided the Leafy drama to make it clear that this was all in my head before then. Again, this isn't my core content, and this has been such a frustrating experience that I'll probably never do a video like this again. But I didn't come to this opinion BECAUSE of the Real Leafy incident. I didn't change my thoughts on an issue to fit those of other KZbinrs. And I didn't chose for people to suddenly want to watch this. Again, less than 3% of my content is like this. Don't get pissed at me just because people only want to watch 3% of my shit.

[@PublicServiceAnnouncement]

***** Would like to stress that unlike other fanboys, I simply didn't watch the video nor downvote it, and am just stressing needlessly harsh criticism since that seems to be what the uploader is doing as well for the sole sake of gaining attention through a far more popular KZbinr ;D

[@MiorAkif]

Basically, GradeA is the embodiment of ad hominem

[@renosanceisdead7365]

Who is or what is ad hominem

[@uniqhnd23]

@@renosanceisdead7365 An ad hominem is when you only focus on attacking the person's character rather than their arguments and points.

[@nocreativename]

I think many people did NOT actually watch the video...

[@pinkleetlefudge]

great icon m8

[@nocreativename]

Pauline Pasion thank you very much!!

[@JaxDagger]

Nah we did but we see right through it for the bs it really is.

[@PhatomFoxy]

Jax Dagger Nah you are kids who think that they must exterminate anybody who disagrees with theyr lord and saviour GAUA

[@ciptandi]

Attila the Scourge of god How about you guys shows us how you get to your conclusion?

[@gzs98]

The guy ordered his fan to harass a moderator in his subreddit. How can anyone defend him after that is beyond me.

[@NeonPegasus1979]

+Gabriel Proof?

[@neonflygon2195]

Good King Moggle Mog XII 11:07 ?

[@bruce000000070000000]

Good King Moggle Mog XII Proof? Did you even watch this video?

[@GoogleGebruiker]

Good King Moggle Mog XII watch the video

[@MatheusHenrique-od8di]

Mouth To Ass Resuscitation edgy

[@CssFade]

2:50 You're basically listing every trait of my mother....so is GradeA my mum?

[@pyroduck]

And idubbbz wasn’t on the “police force”

[@cottontailsify]

Wait, people thought grade under a was a joke/persona? That explains why I never understood why people liked him.

[@mythixthedragon6903]

I know right.

[@shadowthefox1]

I was a GradeAUnderA fan, but as the time passed by I just realized that he's a Cartoon Keemstar

[@PyrrhoVonHyperborea]

+Cave Johnson (never been a fan, just saying) I'd like to take your comment, print it out, and pin it to ever wall in the UK x'D No offence... it's just... just... nail: hit head! :D

[@PyrrhoVonHyperborea]

+Oskar Winters "but i'm not sure if fame messed him up or if he has truly always been this way." educate yourself on the topic of "clinical narcissism", maybe you'll understand

[@PyrrhoVonHyperborea]

"[i've studied psychology, ] it's not as simple as just looking at someone's media presents and making an assumption" - non sequitur. "mental health isn't so straight forward, even if they are in the room with you." repetition of the same non-sequitur fallacy. Do you even care to make a point? "personally i don't think he is a narcissist based on what i have seen" - and personally I think it was a mistake for you to study psychology; a mistake both for you *and* the profession. "but as i say not so simple." - see above. I give you one of the many clues; GradeA didn't have a problem with getting a rumor going, that keemstar was a pedophile; actually prompting some officials to check him up for that... quite nasty. And what does he do, when someone, allegedly (!) did the same to him, w/o any consequences? - throws a hissy-fit like some little incorrigible brat who's just been denied his past-dinner treat... - > Not being able to comprehend the golden rule, is one of the many, many signs of narcissism. Another is the incapability to cope with criticism. Another is a vastly inflated ego... there are so so many signs for this. - if you didn't see any red flags, it says more about you, than about him. see... other than you, I am not a blatherskite and/or imposter; I actually know what I am talking about! - and I didn't even need to use a authority fallacy (argumentum ad verecundiam). If you know your shit, there's no need to beat your chest all day. Btw.: I don't really believe that you studied psychology; but it gave me a good chuckle! - thx for the laugh!

[@nummynum4089]

I like how all these people who support Grade are coming up and defending him but have no idea about the "Reddit situation."

[@matthewdavison2622]

Because they didn't get that far into the video. I've seen comments that say that.

[@dorkymcthuggerson]

Nummy Num I believe there are about 8,000 people on his subreddit, so I'm going to assume that not all of his subscribers frequent it.

[@crimsonghost4107]

most people wouldn't know about that. we're not all Reddit whores. I use Reddit but not to bitch about youtube drama.

[@nummynum4089]

Why are people getting offended about using Reddit or not using Reddit? His piss poor attitude is shown there a lot. That's just a fact.

[@kooperkaney9454]

Dorky McThuggerson yeah but, at least watch the video before complaining

[@ryaquaza3offical]

“We might have just spent the last 2 years making an egotistical crazy person an unironic voice of reason on this website” All fairness I think this happens a lot, maybe not a voice of reason but how many really popular content creators have turned out to be horrible ass holes and some even committing crimes, it’s a lot and it’s kinda scary. Although I don’t think grade is quite the level as someone like oni the turtle killer but whatever

[@Lucifersfursona]

The symptoms of untreated, maladaptive narcissism REGARDLESS of if any individual has any sort of clinical narcissism are specifically rewarded in our current system.

[@edwinjoseph322]

Looking back at this in 2018, you're definitely right.

[@Meta64_]

that reddit thing hit me hard... thats sad

[@christofferrasmussen6533]

The only sad thing is that a 16 year old can be a mod on Reddit, or any site she doesn't own herself for that matter. You hire/get adults for things like that, because they can usually handle the pressure, and their brains are actually fully developed. I don't know if you realize this, but your brain isn't done "growing" before you're in your mid to late twenties. I don't think i have to argue about this anymore, it should be obvious by now why you don't let a kid moderate a massive forum with people of all ages and opinions.

[@SchwickFAFO]

+Alpha Dog Studios Same. That's a whole new low.

[@freshgarbage1492]

Dear christopher, shut the fuck up, that's not how reddit works

[@SchwickFAFO]

Fresh Garbage My bad. Ima go kill myself now.

[@freshgarbage1492]

i might have responded to the wrong comment? or did someone delete something? I believe it's the first one. sorry, lol Edit: Apparently it's something close to the second one.

[@pip5188]

I don't even think the Idubbz vs Leafy thing is even a debate. It was more of a one sides massacre. People like Idubbz act like dumbasses, but he's actually very smart. When Idubbz made that Keemstar video, Keem didn't do what Leafy did. In the end Leafy just proved all of Idubbz's points in Leafy's response video. There was nothing Leafy could have done because of how well put together Idubbz's video was. Leafy should have just went with the joke.

[@ZapSnap]

The majority of my friends think Idubbz had no points. His best argument was #Nochin

[@shambles3458]

.

[@SirPainsalot]

that's because they're only interested in the funny meme.

[@showem9575]

If you define a massacre as a bunch of people saying memes/insulting each other over the internet, sure. On the whole, nothing's really happened.

[@showem9575]

***** how so?

[@legacyofboom56]

God 2016 KZbin was a hell of a drug huh

[@DexterityYTC]

Found your channel from the iCarly video and now I'm just binging your catalog. Videos like this one that are so much time capsules make me think about everything that's happened in the last 6 years. I've forgotten that half of these people exist, and think of the others like H3 and Idubbz how they are now. This feels like ancient history to me, but I know so many people that when I think about it still live in 2016, and it makes so much sense how I've drifted apart from them.

[@vladimirrashkovsky6274]

It's insane how much it has changed

[@Wespa64]

´do i hate mars bars

[@jenthebookhugger3035]

Wespa64 wrong channel, bud

[@ElBrandoTV]

Actually it's a storm drain

[@jenthebookhugger3035]

ElBrando18 hey, that's pretty good

[@n0pe451]

nice profile pic

[@myspacebarbrokenevermindif9892]

Hi, i'm bob, copy/paste me so i can take down google+

[@ThatCamel104]

I have a confession to make. I disliked this video a while back before actually watching it. I don't recall when, but I do recall that it was because I liked Grade. Now, though, I'm far less certain. Whether to suffer the pain of knowing my crime or to now take up arms against such foolishness, I may never know the path to what truly is just. But know this, Quentin, know that I watched parts one and two in full, and have as well been persuaded by you. No longer will I be a yapping fanboy for the neetbux, but I shall henceforth endeavour to weigh each problem only when it can be weighed, and pursue justice in all things.

[@ThatCamel104]

Merkus McWerkus Eh. It was ok.

[@hup3769]

do you watch rick and morty

[@Specterish]

ThatCamel104 - Is there any particular you reason you talk like you're a fucking Arthurian knight, or has the Rick and Morty just seeped into your brain.

[@chrismarcellh6797]

ThatCamel104 - Spoken like a quote straight from Honest Abe.

[@scrublordfinesse4359]

ThatCamel104 or you can just not be a lil bitch

[@lance6574]

2:49 tfw your listening to the description of gradea's personality and realizing that was you in high school :0 i want to formally apologize to anyone who knew in me in high school. dear god i am so sorry.

[@hoopoecartoons6781]

Just a clarification- she was yelling "how dare you" because she thought he was sexually joking about her body by saying 'humongous", but she didn't actually know his name is Hugh Mungus

[@hikingbird42]

I won't lie end of 2015-2016 was a big time in KZbin. It got stale now but still some good stuff

[@dontyouhateitwhen...8312]

Honestly, just like Leafy; Grade has been dropping in quality ever since he made the video, 'exposing' Pewds and Mark.

[@almightyfalcon]

He definitely exposed Matt, damaging his career for calling him (and proving that) he is a plagiarist, who steals from Listverse.

[@sentientviolin7802]

I was trying to say that he was using ad hominem way too much, as a fan, and wanted him to make actual points about the videos. I was hungry for actual, intelligent points. However, he just wrote off all the people complaining as Markiplier fanboys. I'll be honest. I am a Markiplier fan. But that doesn't cloud my judgment, and I know BS when I see it.

[@PyrrhoVonHyperborea]

GradeA's quality was always barely above F - sometimes not even above. It's you who changed your angle on it, when you first discovered how ignorant and self-boasting he really is... but it's you who has to come to turns with that, and not blame that change onto someone else. You learned a lesson, and there's more worth in honoring, embracing your ability to grow and learn, rather than to be ashamed of past day errs, and making excuses for them. look ahead, life goes on; just leave the ignorant narcissist behind ,that you didn't see for who he was for at least _some time_!

[@hinasakukimi]

yep. that was the first video of his i watched and it left me feeling so disappointed. i really did expect him to provide a reasonable argument. his criticism of matthew santoro was legit though, i'll give him that, but it still put me off a lot. i wasn't even a fan of pewdiepie or markiplier and even i was like "um... what?".

[@dontyouhateitwhen...8312]

***** If you're new to Grade's content, I recommend watching his earlier videos, (if you're not looking for drama videos, start from Racism Test and below). It's one of his best videos, and he actually gives reasoning to why he hates said topic.

[@butteredsalmonella]

Woah, comment section turned into an "opinion" warzone. Whatevs, i miss the old Grade, now he's just with his KZbin shit, atleast a year ago with his last video.

[@joeroganofficial5433]

I comment at comment sections I like ur name

[@funninoriginal6054]

"Comment section turned into an opinion warzone" Aka youtube in an nutshell

[@nejdalej]

That Valentine's day video was painfully misogynistic. More emphasis on the painful.

[@mylovemylighter]

I live in Liverpool and you sound so weird while trying to impersonate our accent that it made me die laughing 😂 you just earned a subscriber 😂😂

[@ADHDtj]

you people are reading into youtube too much

[@ganttchart3546]

Koen van Steenbergen but KZbin respresents our society on the internet, why shouldnt it be analyzed?

[@revolverrr]

You have a great point.

[@markbadger1249]

Yeah I find it better to not think about things at all instead and if anyone else does think about things I just call them a nerd and then walk away high fiving myself.

[@PcRoX123hackedACC]

I thought everyone did this

[@driptip3863]

Some people live on KZbin

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

i totally agree. i use to love his videos and now they are just unappealing to me

[@nintendoeater93]

Hey Jewtubers, its Carmine !

[@carolineedlund4931]

Carmine is everywhere, he’s gotten hold of Preston’s glass candle

[@thatrandomguygaming324]

RedTeamReview well he is just like mark. Overreacting is their job

[@serbianspaceforce6873]

I would have to agree

[@El_Descarriado]

The same reason we both stumbled upon it in such a short time... Grayliens.

[@FlittaLink]

I never take GradeAUnderA seriously, but damn I love how funny his accent is and his blabbering.

[@gato4002]

Same here bro

[@Nate_M_PCMR]

"Is it wayawanedosee, DICKHEAD ?!!!"

[@jimmynuggs5618]

Grade says multiple times, nobody should take him seriously.

[@link1565V2]

I never thought GradeA was a character.

[@MrDiZzY-ko1zp]

The thing is he doesnt try to be a character

[@RamseyEassa]

2016: The year of "Oh shit, that person probably shouldn't be famous.. I think we fucked up guys."

[@terrypiggy8582]

but at least grade has chin

[@AKingsVengence520]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@eclipse572]

lol

[@plannedstupidity8331]

heh

[@soundcipher4533]

He should donate at least 1/3rd of his chin to Leafy.

[@Lubloom]

Imagine if grade tried to hide his chin... Also I like SVTFoE as well :P

[@solo8348]

I still watch this sometimes when I think "wtf happened to that guy, he was kinda funny" than I remember..

[@clownivore]

@@waffigo most people have better things to care about

[@joey7061]

@@waffigo gay

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

Here after remember Grade A's Covid video...which was so dumb, horrible, and included stats that were many months old.

[@vladimirrashkovsky6274]

Don't remember it but Grade and Quinton are so different now that their 15 minutes are up

[@trentb3037]

I like to call that strategy of undercutting somebody's arguments "Invalidation politics." it is absolutely everywhere these days, and it is mildly annoying.

[@LootFragg]

Oh yeah? Well, your hair is odd.

[@7_entendri338]

Ok

[@dohickey7184]

"invalidation politics" hmm that sounds like a good phrase, mind if I use it from now on?

[@grae1987]

Hey!!! Counter arguments arent allowed... first person to say 'i win' wins............ I WIN!!!!!

[@Vooblebooble]

Trent B I think there actually is an official word for that type of argument flaw. I think it's called an ad hominem.

[@markzergburger3220]

To be quite honest dude I think you made your own idea of what Grade was suppose to be or not be and then you kinda disapointed yourself by doing that. Note that the guy never advertised himself as an nice humble intellectual and never really said he is playing some kind of role. Your "beef" you have with him is pretty much between the initial idea you had of guy and your new realisations about him. In other words, it dosen't concern anyone but yourself and yourself.

[@Bustaperizm]

Mark Zergburger Spot on. I'm pretty sure grade has called himself am asshole in half his vids. 100% agree that creator sounds disenfranchised by his own high expectations.

[@kirstyblack1618]

Mark Zergburger totally agree man ..

[@PyrrhoVonHyperborea]

_"... noone could be that dense, ignorant, self-boasting, hypocritical, loud, opinionated, stupid..."_ - I bet that thought has crossed the mind of quite a few people when they got to know that prick; it's actually plausible to arrive at the wrong conclusion from there, that it was all an act, a role, _a persona_ he's merely playing (btw.: do you expect anyone who thinks that to have watched each and every minute of that stickfigure, so that he could have picked up on what you referred to? - only retarded fanboys do that!); would still agree, that it's more likely post hoc rationalization for giving that idiot too much credit. btw: anyone who thinks, saying that you are an asshole makes it ok being an asshole is, frankly, retarded... and likely an douchebag himself.

[@Bustaperizm]

PyrrhoVonHyperborea Never said it was "ok". But if someone is telling you who they are. Why are you upset or surprised when they act like the way they described? And ya..I'm sure I am by someone's perspective.

[@jchinckley]

After reading all of your comments I know I'm leaving myself open to being vilified by you and your friends, but to me, you sound like you are projecting on Grade all the things you hate about yourself.

[@PopoXReturnz]

GAuA: *makes video praising members of the LGBT community like in his Kardashian video or the whole "My thoughts on Gay People" video* Also GAuA: *makes a video dedicated to making fun of effeminate or unmanly men's styles in fashion* That was the one thing about his content that kind of bugged me. Kind of inconsistent imo.

[@smhuntergaming5470]

Ayo fashion video funny tho.

[@Nameless_Cat_IsAGoodGame]

Funny how I litterally came from the fasion video before showing up here

[@himlolo]

Gays: we aren't a stereotype, there are masculine male gays Also gays: always feminine and take offense to male femininity being insulted

[@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome]

@@himlolo what? You know people are different and not every gay person is the same right?

[@jimmynuggs5618]

@@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome sadly, proving op' point....

[@dansnell5774]

Best bromance is GradeA and Reactor

[@occasionallurker2996]

3:05 Immediately thought of Alex Jones

[@MSF_Soldier_Alligator]

G A Y F R O G S

[@occasionallurker2996]

MSF soldier Alligator "I DONT WANT POISON IN THE WATER THAT TURN THE FRICCIN FROGS GAY!!"

[@kristime1454]

Eion Alacunt if I'm a fgt your a butthurt bitch. BTW why do you compare Grade to Alex Jones? You know that's a compliment right?

[@SketchBookShortFilms]

I was thinking Donald Trump on most of 'em but you ain't wrong either dude!

[@pizzaface.3000]

Eoin Alarcon oh, infowars

[@nunyathethird4697]

Quinton I was seriously worried about what you were gonna do after you made your leafy vid. When you put up your movie review I thought you missed your opportunity completely, but after this video I now know you are aware of your new core audience. Look forward to seeing more from you!

[@QuintonReviews]

I'm not going to become a full-on Drama channel, but I also will likely do more videos on it. On the same note, I want to keep my options open so I'm never making a video that I'm not interested in.

[@crapmarine]

I really like the thoughtful way you handle drama content and also your lack of clickbait allcaps titles

[@nunyathethird4697]

Well, that's just great man! It's always good to keep your options open. Just wanted to let you know lots of people really love your drama analysis videos.

[@nunyathethird4697]

Well, that's just great man! It's always good to keep your options open. Just wanted to let you know lots of people really love your drama analysis videos.

[@lyrablack8621]

"Don't presume anything, do your own research." Damn, what a quote.

[@TruFalco]

After his latest video... Hoo boy.

[@flawlessbinary7449]

I want the old Grade.

[@iSteelRazorBladeGAMING]

Edward Snowden same. ;(

[@eb8945]

The old Grade...what do you mean? I haven't seen him really progress or regress as a person...

[@MegaBanne]

He whent from talking BS about tipping and letters to ranting more and more about other KZbinrs and BS. It was not a shift in persona, but a shift in content.

[@gaviano2663]

+Electro-Cute bandwaggoning at its best

[@onedeadpixel10]

Electro-Cute honestly his bs about tipping pissed me off more than anything. his argument was based around "giving the restaurant more money", instead giving the server ANY money. if his argument was "pay the servers a normal wage" that'd be fine, but he didn't even appear to know that servers are paid less than minimum wage because they're expected to earn tips. when you don't tip you're not hurting the restaurant at all, youre just hurting the waiter

[@haustyl12]

Reactor destroyed his ass

[@johnriordan9083]

Nah, he just edited one of his videos to sound like Grade was praising him. So I don’t see how that’s “destroying his ass”

[@AuroraNora3]

Because Grade fell for it like a dumbass, John

[@hypeninja4786]

He's back...

[@basedjenny7362]

Ricardo de Castro he really did tho

[@ted159]

haustyl12 Watch mumkeys video on reactor

[@crimson1443]

The things I watch at night, I swear mate.

[@bluetoothschizophrenic]

Holy shit looking back 2 years later the first 9 seconds of this video pretty much sums up quintons channel

[@monkeymafia729]

Keemstar's argument with Leafy on the latest Baited Podcast further confirms the truth to your video

[@PyrrhoVonHyperborea]

Is there a link + timestamp? I avoid all podcasts in general, they are a stupid waste of time; and keemstar and his ilk I do not watch anyway (don't even get me started on leafy) ... but what you seem to refer to sounds like it could be of interest

[@monkeymafia729]

PyrrhoVonHyperborea It was a bit after 36:40 on Episode 10 of Baited, where Keem is talking about his experience of trying to negotiate with Grade and Leafy in a Skype chat. And just look it up on Soundcloud or Itunes.

[@Monkofpo]

Who would want to negotiate with Keem? Being honest here. He did crimes which he never got arrested for. Also, if you care to say well Leafy and Gradea made hate mobs and certainly overreacted. Please look at every other video on the internet. Look at Feminist, Atheists, and any other group speak. People formed opinions and disliked the person. Welcome to life. They are all doing it for money, or they wouldn't be here. Including Quin who was overly hypercritical and hypocritical.

[@monkeymafia729]

Robert Norton Thats not my point Robert, my point is that Grade treated Keemstar exactly like how this guy in the video described him to treat people in real life.

[@Monkofpo]

However, doesn't that mean he doesn't put up a fake persona (he does just like every other fukin KZbinr)? This is why I am saying he is being hypocritical. It is all about money, however no one talks about it. Including our boy Quin. This is the reason KZbin is going into the fukin shitter. Just can't let shit fukin die. A good example is Tyler1 who claims to be Alpha. Look at the Police squads old channels. They were small, but showed who they were. Hell, Leafy was making small critique videos, then changed to out right bashing once it got popular. It is sadding how KZbin is having to bring the hammer-down to just keep businesses in investing. It hurts true channels that actually debate.

[@Seth9809]

I think GradeA's videos can be ignored for not being very bright, because the outrageous and simplistic style is actually funny. I agree he is a dick, he says he is a dick, and his drama videos get pretty heated because you can tell how angry he is. I don't think he can handle being famous that well, which explains why he doesn't show his face. I guess we will just see where all of this goes, if he's a bad person, and if he is going to set aside the drama for his simplistic videos about drinks or porn.

[@almightyfalcon]

Eh, he did a face reveal, but I see your point.

[@LordCylarne]

I saw you before.

[@almightyfalcon]

***** I'm fucking dead

[@LordCylarne]

Self Snitching At It's Finest What? Haha

[@almightyfalcon]

Ultimate Apocalypse mod As in laughing.

[@AgentOrange502]

It's not hard to see why he was fired from his teaching job

[@jacobbiscuit9080]

its because the maths headteacher didn't like him

[@mariashanahan7102]

I wonder why

[@danielbrawley4141]

That he kept for 3 years

[@lucasharvey8990]

This surprisingly makes a lot of sense. Thanks for alerting me about this.

[@QuintonReviews]

Let's play a game: Predict the comments for part 2.

[@maxxxxxxy]

Illiterate 14 year olds who can't contain themselves because someone criticized their favorite youtuber.

[@QuintonReviews]

No joke, here's all the ones I'm expecting: "Quenten reviews has 1,400 subs grade has 3mill grade is better" "Jumping on the bandwagon" "I'm tired of drama hoars like you. I am unaware of the irony of using a term that Grade openly mocked." "You say 'to' twice in one sentance at 6:66 (when you only needed to say it once), meaning that your entire point is now invalidated." "You use one song and simply end the background music, meaning that your opinion is invalid." "I'm 20 seconds in, I'm bored af" "I didn't watch the video but I already know what it was about so allow me to write a paragraph about it" "grade made youtube great he got tweeted at twice by a youtube person youtube is fixed now stfu kys" "Hey, I can understand your point of view, and I counter with my take on the issue and the points which you bring up that I question." "The comments thing was already gonna be implemented before Pewds did his video. Your entire point is now invalid because of this one error." "kys drama hoar"

[@theredlotus5533]

Hey where's the link to the footage at 5:50

[@PriscilaMartinezz]

loved those intentionel grammer errors

[@PriscilaMartinezz]

.

[@SkepticSkits]

wow this guy makes great videos good job

[@justsub5835]

I enjoyed it as well

[@ursidae97]

I thought it was a little whiny and not very substantial.

[@purpleboye_]

This hilariously dull comment has a suspicious ammount of likes. I'm guessing Keemstar sent you?

[@SkepticSkits]

Anaru_ LST who me?

[@SkepticSkits]

Anaru_ LST I hate how youtube comments are set up on mobile. can't tell who u are talking to. but if it's me I got a lot of likes cuz I was like one of the first comments I guess and people agreed with me. it surprised me too lol. what does keemstar have to do with this though I don't get it

[@Mystipaoniz]

I'm watching "all" the dramas because it's entertaining to see how empty this is. I'm so stunned about these that i have to watch to see if you guys can empty the void. The comments are filled with emptiness also. It's impressive.

[@durn863]

I came back to this video (As I often re-binge my main man Quinton's videos) and found that I had "disliked" the video. I forgot I used to be a Grade A fan boy, and was distraught somebody would lambaste him as Quinton had.... Oh the mistakes of the young and naive. I have rectified this issue with a big ol' thumbs up

[@vdun]

The thing is that, like many other, I agree in Grade's opinions, but dislike his way of saying them. He has the same point of view as me in many situations, but I tend to stay as un-biased as I can in an argument, even in those I am involved in myself, only using relevant arguments (not saying Grade never does that, he often actually does), even though it might benefit my "opponent's" statement more. I definitely enjoyed this video, even as a Grade fan, and you made some good points. :)

[@ayh4968]

+Ævdun well said

[@nanopixel6460]

"not saying he does but he does"

[@vdun]

Nano Pixel What? Where did you read that?

[@nanopixel6460]

Ævdun read your comment wrong, ignore me

[@vdun]

Nano Pixel Alright, then.

[@thealmightydrew1164]

Not gonna lie. After watching this video. I feel like I'm "that" guy haha. Fuck my life.

[@QuintonReviews]

We've all been "that" guy. Being self-aware is half the battle.

[@thealmightydrew1164]

Quinton Reviews wow I appreciate the quick response. I just want to take this opportunity to say I love all your content and I know you're gonna keep growing like you deserve. Even though this is considered a "drama" video I feel like it actually contributes a meaningful and well thought out argument. I also feel like the points made in this video dont just apply to Grade/KZbinrs either. They apply to everyone. Keep up the hard work man.

[@QuintonReviews]

TheAlmightyDrew Thanks man, it means a lot.

[@drstrangelove9525]

Quinton Reviews dude, I'm scared, I'm worried I'm like Grade, I'm worried I act dumb and I hide it under a character, but I don't know if it's really a character. I don't shout at other people if they disagree with me, But I feel that I'm really annoying, IDK what to do.

[@m20tjm]

Guess who’s back, back again, grade is back, tell a friend

[@8Rincewind]

What's happened?

[@imshitwithcomments3265]

That’s actually pretty good!

[@bagelturnip1179]

When you were describing GradeAunderA I thought of nine different people that I know.

[@alfalfa301]

I've never met someone like grade personally and I'm not like him. What does that make me?

[@funguns213]

Iñaki Clacome A person

[@sebandrews4395]

Iñaki Clacome lucky

[@anon2427]

Iñaki Clacome do you know any Muslims?

[@HMSronaldoGimmete]

Iñaki Clacome lonely

[@notalemonn]

Iñaki Clacome You must've met people on the Internet

[@stelo2792]

To be honest I don't give a shit, however your video is very well put, so I'll sub.

[@ayylmaotv]

take my sub

[@ayylmaotv]

AtLeastITried me?

[@greatsupper]

subs all around. i subbed to all of you. planet sub

[@ayylmaotv]

AtLeastITried It's because i watch more videos than i upload lmao. Most youtubers spend time uploading instead of watching

[@ayylmaotv]

***** idk lol

[@Nutshellin-zn6pz]

You bring some good points and reasons damn dude

[@GhostofGriever]

I know this is old Quinton content, but just watched this again after 6 years ... still packs such a punch ... 11:30 lmao

[@Jaxtar25]

I stopped watching GradeAunderA because he moved his attack from just general things (types of drinks) to attacking KZbin personalities. I never thought he was that smart a guy (he lost his job as a teacher for a reason) but yeah all the KZbin drama videos just annoyed me and I unsubbed.

[@cloodberst]

He lost his trainee job as a teacher because he actually listened to his student's feedback instead of doing the same puzzles their normal maths teacher did, which the kids didn't learn anything from and were boring(he got fired because he didn't listen to the teacher's feedback, which was to give them those shitty puzzles)

[@OlviMasta77]

What's the source on that? Himself? A former pupil? Plus, was it a private or public school?

[@askanvulrel1477]

Cloudburst I've heard so many different explanations of him getting fired, that one was definitely pulled out of your ass. Grade's own friend said why in a podcast and it wasn't anything like that lol

[@Oli_Dann]

Akida Stathis What did Cloudburst say? His comment is now deleted

[@askanvulrel1477]

Oli Something about Grade got fired because he listened to student's feedback and stopped giving them shitty puzzles to do that other teachers were telling him to give them. It was a load of shit, now I regret having not copied it.

[@64imma]

I remember watching the video where he talks about pewdiepie, markiplier, and Matthew santoro, and being absolutely disgusted by the lack of intellectual points in his video.

[@justwannaname]

Still love him. His vids were great! Hope he comes back.

[@devoncupido6844]

I still like Grade...its because i never took any of his videos serious,and im not about to start now😅😂

[@gearyt2355]

Dev Cup we need more people with the same attitude as you

[@liveandletdie138]

Dev Cup here

[@darklethal3517]

GearyT 23 true

[@andregoncalves5200]

Lol, I also thought that, but I think he is a dick now. There’s no reason to call song you don’t even know a whore

[@cykondacot5409]

same o3o

[@sunkistjen7182]

Lol more like how grade fell of the face of earth.

[@DarkWarning20]

Sunkist Jen 😂

[@Nugcon]

That chin is very hard to balance

[@Whatamess-nm5tz]

I love Grade But Ya know Hes changed a lot

[@rczg]

Ronniedaking gl

[@aydenkoyanagi1727]

Yeah. Its like hes not even there. Oh wait....

[@derangedemu]

Robbie Ridgeway yeah, like not uploading

[@danedevil3165]

like..not uploading

[@johnxina7496]

totally like......not uploading

[@unspherdcomb6174]

I can’t remember why I liked him? Like what the fuck was I thinking? I went back and watched a few of his newer videos and some of the old ones I remember liking. Genuinely don’t know what the fuck I found entertaining about him.

[@austine7858]

Same

[@malignantgiverofcancer8943]

You sir, have opened my eyes

[@lifelesshawk5725]

I haven't meet anyone like that, not because i’m that guy, but because I have no friends.

[@alicethetransdalek7333]

LifelessHawk same

[@pictonomii3295]

Me too, let's all be alone together.

[@zad_rasera]

Hey

[@IamNoisyroblot101]

2:50 You mean my mom?

[@QuintonReviews]

Your Mom's a dude?

[@IamNoisyroblot101]

Quinton Reviews I don't think so.

[@QuintonReviews]

***** It's always safe to check

[@IamNoisyroblot101]

Quinton Reviews I'll remember that.

[@PyrrhoVonHyperborea]

I'm confused; I would have expected Quinton's first reply would show, that he's fairly certain, what the gender was of that old lady he bedded last night... oh well! ("Your mom"-jokes going full circle; now they are the topic of what might have been the topic... old news, ya know?!)

[@elementallordofsand5845]

6:13 There's a term for arguments like that. It's called ad hominem. This won't be the last time any of us see it.

[@HiddenLunarWings]

Grade used to be one of my favorite KZbinrs when he started making videos on drama (because, to be honest, I'm a huge KZbin drama cumslut). When he made a video attacking those who said KZbin was changing (the one you mentioned in the video), and when Grade said Markiplier had no valuable insight for the business side of KZbin because he called himself "Marimoo," that's when I started to realize that Grade may not be the character he used to portray.

[@Lucifersfursona]

This is the only time in my life the word cumslut has turned me off so you did do something when you said this

[@yohannas3069]

2:03 did this dude just say that keemstar's always "gnome"? Or maybe I'm too blind from the memes

[@nopeyepp]

Neutron Toad known but understandable

[@toaonua523]

I wish I could say that these were the reasons I unsubbed from GradeA, because I did like his opinions and outlook, in an entertainment sense. I unsubbed because I realized he actually was an angry person, when he kept feeding, and feeding the youtube drama instead of actually making content. What pissed me off more than anything, was how mad he got that youtube "needed to be better" without saying how anyone could actually make it better. Was just a bitchy rant. Now that I see how he is just another cesspool channel, I won't resub. Thanks Quinton

[@OhHelloSugar]

my favorite part of that "youtube drama" thing was how Grade was on about big youtubers complaining about a thing but offering no solutions in a video complaining about a thing but offering no solutions

[@bella-tt9hk]

I love your channel!

[@gradesparents5425]

Don't u talk about my son like that

[@bubblebozo]

Meme Lord you guessed my age

[@bubblebozo]

Meme Lord don't ask why my name is coolguy phantom i know its fuckin' cringe

[@thegba8820]

Grade's Parents oh fu#k off

[@yupitellwhut]

+Tanooki Soups hahaha

[@yupitellwhut]

Your son lost his groove

[@CorbinYT]

I like Grade because of his overreactions but I don't take him seriously in any way, his points are fucking vague and his "tearing apart youtubers" kind of video are just... bad

[@poisonousingot222]

CorbinYT same I find him very funny but I will hardly ever take what he said seriously unless it directly has something to do with ne

[@civilkhaotix7094]

True, I just laugh at how he tends to overreact about everything

[@andrew3111]

jesus this video's a time capsule

[@hellishhybrid1839]

This video aged well, dinnit? XD

[@HOTD108_]

Lol yeah, Grade sucks

[@chenchen6150]

Still age like a fine wine

[@blamejack7688]

Holy Fuck!! Grade a Under a is my mom!! 2:52 to 3:28

[@7_entendri338]

Blame Jack ok

[@ellycantsleep5838]

Blame Jack that's my dad

[@amc6169]

AND MINE

[@stinkmonger]

Blame Jack ...

[@tepakira9348]

hahaha

[@Daisy-Moo]

I'm honestly really glad about Grade getting called out but not for the reasons most people have. So many good, small KZbinrs I didn't know before are making videos about it. The KZbin algorithm is promoting these videos to basically anyone who watches Grade A. Our opinions are changing drastically. Unpopular but great channels like your own are now finally getting some spot light. Strange enough I don't hear people repeating the same criticism as other so it's not like there's just a spam of basically the same videos but by different people.

[@angel-gu8co]

he used to be my favourite youtuber, looking back on his content i have no clue why

[@bpmomene2737]

I still like Grade tho

[@PointB1ank]

Quinton 4 years ago: A 12 minute part 1 video. Quinton today: A 4+ hour single video.

[@samuelcarter4244]

I don't know a guy like that. I am that guy? "Let's agree to disagree." "You're entitled to your opinion" "I don't think we're going to see eye to eye on this subject." "Sorry you're feeling bad about this subject." "You've just convinced me more on the other side." Good to know I am that guy.

[@theacesage1778]

Samuel Carter sorry tf kinda friends do you have that talk like that

[@samuelcarter4244]

Rational people.

[@villagerc7130]

Samuel Carter 😂

[@deejaythedj313]

If it don’t apply...let if fly

[@xeagaort]

Boring friends.

[@maxwellcomora8446]

Cops of KZbin: H3H3 (+Hila), IHE, and IDubbbz

[@jameer7565]

H3H3 is hila and Ethan not (+Hila)

[@PrinceThor]

kanedgy that alone is sad.

[@yupitellwhut]

what about Pyrocynical his content has grown alot and he isn't a dick head like leafy

[@brandensmith7966]

Why do we need KZbin cops? I mean cringe content still runs rampant and if enough people inflate their egos with titles like "cop" then they can get an ego as big as grade. Why can't they just be good content creators?

[@LovelyAngel.]

His Santoro/Pewds/Mark video was exactly the last video of him I saw because after that I questioned myself "why am I watching him??"

[@NotCG5official]

"I m just gonna add a beard cause that's how I think he looks at this point" CALLED IT