HOW HIGH HAS CROSBY CLIMBED ON THE NHL’S ALL TIME LIST?

[@nadaduo1765]

Can't even give Sid his flowers for 5 minuets without talking about Matthews and the Leafs 🤨

[@MySundin13]

That's because all that Matters is Leaf Hockey. biggest market, worldwide fans. nobody cares about about 25 of the other teams. they don't matter

[@jasonjansen9831]

Leave it to tsn to make a Crosby milestone all about the leafs

[@eMRH1202]

This is so pathetic of them and par for the course. Gotta mention the players that have won nothing when talking about Sid of course…

[@bucketophil]

Cringy Gino Reda.

[@kwaty]

Matthews has a 50-50 shot at being the best player … on his team … this year. Let’s put him on hockey’s Mt Rushmore right after nylander.

[@Will-u2h]

How the fuck is everyone missing the fact that Crosby has been MORE than a ppg for 19 consecutive seasons and gretzky was MORE than a ppg for 15 consecutive seasons. Season 16 he had 48 points in 48 games. Crosby has the MOST seasons with MORE than a ppg in NHL history. Look it up for fuck sakes. No shame to gretzky obviously. The goat

[@v4v819]

It was a lockout season and therefore wasn't a full season they played barely more than half... Doesn't count...

[@Will-u2h]

@@v4v819 duuude Crosby played in lockout seasons cmooon you don't need to stick up for the goat I'm just speaking facts. Crosby =consistency

[@dannycarlow8204]

I guess Wayne has to live with the most consecutive seasons of over 2 points per game of nine. An actual record would just be 1 or more points per game, not more than one point per game. I get what you're saying but that's just not how it gets looked at. Nobody is missing any facts.......take a breath.

[@Regalman]

Connor Mcdavid and Austin Matthews need a Stanley Cup! Crosby figured it out, Sakic figured it out, Yzerman figured it out, Lemieux figured it out, Ovechkin figured it out you have to have a cup!

[@geedubb-q1u]

No doubt.

[@whoisjaaxn2587]

even with a cup they're nowhere even close to Sid tbh

[@nickrawlins8570]

They play in Canadian markets so probably not gonna happen for them

[@ML-my8qq]

Matthews is on the Ovi level of Greatness. McDavid is on the Gretzky/Lemieux/Orr/ Crosby level

[@Regalman]

sure but to prove this they need the CUP I am rooting for both to get a cup@@ML-my8qq

[@jesse223]

Anyone who doesn't have Crosby in their top 5 of all time is having a laugh at this point.

[@PageMarker1]

Not sure that is the correct way to rate players these days as the game has changed so much. Greatest player of his generation is my take. Howe, Hull, Orr, and Richard with Sir Sid #5? Gretzky, Lemieux and a host of others come to mind also.

[@jesse223]

@@PageMarker1 As a Wings fan, I'll always treasure Brett Hull, but he's in the top 10 conversation, not top 5. Richard is probably the odd man out if Crosby is your #5. No list worth taking seriously omits either Gretzky or Lemieux. Those guys are 1 and 2 in my book.

[@PageMarker1]

@@jesse223 Fair enough, but for 'time in the league' is a generational thing, and Sir Sid sits atop that time slot.

[@steverobarge3371]

When Matthew’s and Mcdavid get 3 cups then can talk about it, that’s the main reason for playing, Crosby is easily top 5

[@xidis8022]

Exactly why pat maroon is considered a better player than mario lemieux who only got 2 cups while maroon has 3.

[@Regalman]

horrible comparison we talking about PPG players and generational talents with cups@@xidis8022

[@steverobarge3371]

Not sure about Maroon being better than Lemieux my point was they don’t have any at the moment

[@xidis8022]

@@steverobarge3371 When Lemieux gets three then we can talk about him being top 5.

[@eMRH1202]

⁠Mario has 5 anyway. Move along kid.

[@stangsswang8355]

Sid's gonna get another 250 pts before he's done And he missed 150 games in his offensively prime years. He's the best Complete Player to ever play the game!!!!!

[@Brian-dg3gh]

As a Pens fan since 1988 I think Sid is in many ways as great as Mario, and Mario is my favourite player. I think if Mario had Sid’s drive to win he would have smashed all the records and won more than 2 cups. Mario was super competitive but Sid is committed to winning in a way Mario took for granted. 2 cups for Mario was an underachievement. Sid makes the highlight reel plays regularly but also commits to doing all the little things and practicing them incessantly.

[@Connor8609]

Skill vs Will

[@Beweebeat]

Way to go Sid!! More than well deserved! You're a legend!!

[@justindietzler8787]

Best all around player ever

[@stangsswang8355]

AGREED

[@RIUUI007]

That's Shanahan imo.

[@matturibe5256]

MY ASS Datsyuk would put him to shame in the defensive game and hands, Best all round player is Datsyuk. Crosby never even won a selke, I give Sid his respect but defensively no chance. He is so much more offensive.

[@Musso8771]

Sid is too much of an offensive star to ever win a selke anyway, no matter how good his 2 way game is. The top of the top offensive players will never win it, again, no matter how good their defense is.

[@matturibe5256]

@@Musso8771Ya because they are just offensive forwards. Not power forwards. Can't do much else but score assist or whatever. Getting tired of excuses and this conversation.

[@georgebaigent8078]

I don’t know how many times I’ve seen him play, but I’ve never seen him go less than full throttle every shift. And then add the talent, leadership, and clutch play. What a great player.

[@serapeach6252]

tsn still can't figure out it's volume balance on youtube smfh

[@user-wr3jh7ov3h]

The only reason Crosby will never be considered a top 2 is because he played in an era where 4th line players could have been all stars in the 80s.

[@jogendron6320]

Completely wrong

[@kidpoker9408]

Then why is the 87 canada cup considered the greatest hockey ever played

[@trentstringer5144]

I dunno about placement. I think his injuries held back his absurd prime. However I agree with the Era of his play it was hard hockey. Now he's older and it's a shooting gallery. He missed the easy windows.

[@MuttzyDogg]

What???? Makes zero sense!!!! 80s Era was garbage the fact you'd dare to think otherwise shows us you have zero knowledge about hockey. Gretzky Era was pure trash

[@MuttzyDogg]

​@@kidpoker9408only for slow boomers because truly 80s-90s hell any hockey prior to 2010s or generously saying 2000s was garbage asf

[@blutomindpretzel1735]

Sid is probably having the best year of his career, despite the team's standings. He is unreal....better than Ovechkin, Matthews and McDavid combined.

[@stephanea5364]

LOL you shouldn't add McDavid here

[@ML-my8qq]

One of the GOATS.

[@flapjackson6077]

As a western Pennsylvanian, I want to thank Canada for all the great hockey talent you’ve sent our way! Mario, both as a player, and now owner of the Pens made Pittsburgh hockey what it is today. Sidney Crosby was and is the perfect successor to Mario. In fact, my family has a 15 year old dog we named Sidney as a personal honor to him. We got her as a pup in December of 2008, the season the Pens avenged their loss to the Redwings and won the Stanley Cup. Our doggy Sid is blind and incontinent, but otherwise healthy. I hope the Pen’s Sid doesn’t suffer such a fate. 😉 I expect we can count on him for another 4-5 years. It’s been a great run having two of the best to ever play the game playing in Pittsburgh. Here’s hoping Mario lands another killer player who can keep the tradition alive!

[@SverigeiSverige]

No, Gretzky has 18 seasons with more than a point per game. (He has 19 seasons with at least a point per game.)

[@v4v819]

Lock out with a little more than half the season played only does not count as a full season...

[@insanephreak]

​@@v4v819how many comment threads are you gonna reply to saying this same thing? Sid played in shortened seasons as well, so either they all count or they don't.

[@Kenneth-qd3js]

Yes he does Sid is the best 200’ player since Bobby Orr the guy plays a complete game every year imo he is one of the greatest players ever

[@viperatech]

Crosby... the silent beast.

[@DetroitTyler]

Hope Crosby does this another couple seasons, and it becomes just his record. Maybe he'll break it next year and Ovi will break Gretz's goal record how dope would that be.

[@Statsy10]

It's weird that Mike Bossy doesn't get more love for being a Rushmore candidate. Four cups, Nine straight 50 goal seasons (all but his injury shortened final year), ranks 4th in career points-per-game. And where does he rank in Goals-per-game? FIRST! 😳

[@michaelshields6326]

Bossy was an amazing player don't get me wrong, but his career averages are inflated due to having to retire early and only playing his prime years in the late 70's and 80's when scoring was at an all time high. The consecutive 50 goal seasons are impressive, but it wasn't like he was leading the league every year. Gretzky and Lemieux were beating his goal totals while putting up far more assists at the same time. I know some Bossy fans will kill me for this, but I don't think he's that far above a guy like Stamkos when you take into consideration the difference in eras. Bossy does have a big advantage in the playoffs though.

[@Statsy10]

@@michaelshields6326 You brought up Gretzky and Lemieux, but we already know they are ahead of him. It's the quest for fifth on the so called Mt Rushmore of hockey where I think Bossy needs more attention. I just don't think people are that aware of the numbers he actually put up. Hopefully, some people will read this and look them up. They're pretty astounding, really.

[@michaelshields6326]

@@Statsy10 I just explained why he wouldn't be 5th lol. He was really good but his career averages are greatly inflated by retiring early and playing in the highest scoring era in NHL history. Even if you removed Gretzky and Lemieux completely he would have only won 1 Art Ross trophy. Great goal scorer but he's not better offensively than guys like McDavid, Crosby, Jagr, Beliveau, Richard, Esposito, who all were multiple Hart and Art Ross winners.

[@Statsy10]

@@michaelshields6326 I didn't say he should be fifth, for the record. I just think he should be in the conversation. Also, I hope you're making those same retiring early arguments for Orr. Lol. Bossy was scoring 50 and 60 (nearly 70) goals well BEFORE he ever reached what people would consider a player's prime. I wish we could have seen him continue his career. Same with Orr and Mario.

[@miketraslin5394]

Crosby 100 percent. But Jagr should be mentioned

[@happycanayjian1582]

The problem with Matthews? He happened to come into the league when he’ll always be overshadowed by 4 or 5 others that are overall better, and more valuable to their teams.

[@MikeHart72]

OMG thank you. My friend, the most die hard Leafs fan I’ve ever met, thinks Matthews is the best player in the league and the vote for the Hart shouldn’t even be close. According to him Matthews should win the Hart hands down. I wouldn’t be upset if Austin Matthews was on my team but if I could choose I would pick McDavid and McKinnon before him without hesitation.

[@tymacdougall3140]

200 foot game he’s the 🐐

[@Killerjy]

No brainer top 5

[@v4v819]

I wouldn't kick out anyone in the top 5 for him he's top 10 for sure... But who would you replace for him in the to 5? Howe was in the top ten for points for most of his 20+ seasons in the NHL and more if he didn't join the WHL. He had a his best season being only the second to score over 100 (Phil E is the first and did it same year beating him by a few games) did i mention he was 40 during during that all-time season! He even continued playing professional hockey in his 50's... I don't think Syd is better than Mr Hockey, the closest to him is Mess and i'd still take Mark over Crosby... McDavid if he keeps tearing up the league for several more years and wins a cup could be the only one i see to break open that all-time top 5... And then don't forget the Rocket! Big company!

[@Connor8609]

Howe, immediately out for the #4 slot and anyone not named Gretz , Mario or Orr doesn't deserve a mention above him

[@ChadWiebe655]

points are so much harder to come by in today's game compared to 99's era. Crosby is 8th all-time in points-per-game, in a much harder era. To me that makes him quite possibly the best ever. *McDavid is higher that Crosby now but half as many games so likely will slow down at some point

[@dunphy8717]

Sidney Crosby is the third best player in NHL history. At some point, we have to start realizing he’s the best player to ever play. Just so we’re clear, also - there is only one person in NHL history with BETTER than a PPG in 19 consecutive seasons - that’s Sidney Crosby. Gretzky finished with 48 in 48. Sid has been the 5th best player in nhl history since 2016. There’s no a single person on earth that can make a serious argument that Gordie Howe is a better HOCKEY PLAYER than Sidney Crosby.

[@rolieg81]

Gretzky would disagree. Let's see him dominate in his 40's first like Gordie Howe.

[@mumumumah]

I'm no Kucherov fan, but he is also having an amazing season - closing in on 50-100. Probably won't hit it but will be close. Only 2 players hit that mark ML once and WG rediculoulsy 8 times.

[@Recon6delta]

This is no disrespect to Wayne Gretzky, but no one was allowed to hit him when he played. The level of competition today is way better than it was back in the day.

[@KimReed-l7i]

So humble ❤

[@ripapa6355]

Sid might be the ONLY one with MORE than a point per game. I think Gretz had a season where he was 'only' a point per game.

[@jogendron6320]

WOW That changes everything ! 🤡

[@RIUUI007]

I was surprised looking at Ovechkin's stats and saw that he had 6 seasons with less than a point per game. That's quite a lot considering Crosby has never had a season with less than a point per game.

[@jeffreypavlik629]

Steve Yzerman deserve a vote. Not so much based on points but on championships and leadership.

[@dunphy8717]

Auston Matthews has played 8 years in the NHL and is 4 even strength goals away from breaking the franchise record for most even strength goals as a maple leaf. Think of that for a second, swish it around. 8 years is all it took for this next generation of talent to break a goal scoring record on an ORIGINAL SIX NHL TEAM. I told you that story to tell you this STATEMENT; Sidney Crosby is the best hockey player of all time. If there’s an argument for anyone else to be there, it’s Lemieux.

[@DBlockn05]

Crosby is definitely in the top 5, no debate about it. McDavid is going to be on the list soon at his rate.

[@meladgoat]

mcdavid and mathews won't be on any top 5 list if they don't win a cup. they got almost 20 seasons between the both of them, and they haven't even got 1 ring

[@eMRH1202]

What a joke of a video this is. Can’t even give Crosby the respect he deserves. Absolutely pathetic. Matthews and McDavid need to win. They are not in any discussion ever until they do.

[@trentstringer5144]

You can't hold the Olympics against 97 and 34. That being said. Neither of them have a chance at catching Crosby in terms of Legacy. They are point and goal scoring specialists respectively. Have not proven to be winners, two way players, team first players or playoff performers. They both lack complete play especially in the playoffs or the key games. Crosby not only has won at every level, hes been instrumental in deciding moments. Crosby will stand above them at the end of their time even if they surpass his points or goals unless they have a dynasty run. They're both no question HoF already so it feels weird to exclude them from the upper echelon. His major claim to fame. Even on his own team, I've always felt Malkin had more raw talent than Crosby but Crosbys IQ and work ethic is simply unrivaled. We lost his prime and his totals would've been quite a bit higher. Probably the most complete player to lace up.

[@neithermanc1]

geno has been my favorite penguin for over a decade now but i know this team wouldn't have accomplished what they have without sid.

[@MADDESONCOUTTS-u7g]

Why is it so quiet?

[@marquisduhsade]

Dude Howe and Orr played against soul food restaurant owners Crosby easily clears those 2

[@kristopherkurelis7588]

Of course TSN HASSSSS to even mention anything resembled to Toronto Maple Leaf Hockey - let alone maybe even make it more important than the ACTUAL subject of the video … SIDNEY CROSBY … to be honest - I’m glad SID is getting the recognition he deserves … he’s a God to us Yinzers … lately I think the people of Pittsburgh have been taking him for granted . After tonight’s comeback win against the Devils - Pens are 3 pts shy of playoff spot . this living/PLAYING legend in Pittsburgh ain’t gonna quit . ( last 6 games - 6 goals - 9 assists - 15 points )

[@abj136]

Why would the Toronto Sports Network be always talking about Toronto?

[@Recon6delta]

Just imagine if Sid didn’t have those injuries?! His concussions.

[@Jimmyfly215]

Crosby is in the 6-10 range, along with Ovi and Nick Lidstrom. it's a great tier to be in, its not a knock.

[@ryanstaunton421]

Top 5 no doubt. The best all around player to ever play the game. Not even that close. Mcdavid will finish with more points sure but unless he wins 3-5 cups I’m not sure he can or will ever surpass Crosby. Crosby just did so much for the game.

[@geedubb-q1u]

Sids easily Top 5. He deserves another shot at a Cup but with Dubas as GM that’s doubtful. After all he fk’d the Leafs. As for Mathews empty netter he was actually trying to pass to William Bystander so he could get his cookie.

[@kidpoker9408]

Compare anyones playoff stats to wayne and no ones comes close marios the only one who you can have a discussion

[@therealbeckboy5325]

Anyone who says he ain’t top 3 your just blind and hater of greatness

[@EvanSullivan-z6m]

Sid is the 5th best ever and that comes from a caps fan he’s incredible 3 cups 2 smythes very consistent in the most competitive era, McDavid isn’t there yet

[@kevintieu5198]

One debate I never hear is who has had the better career. I'd put Messier up there as the best career out of all NHL players. Gretz and Crosby are in the top 3 for me.

[@neithermanc1]

ken dryden is another who had a short but incredible career

[@TysonGould-td2wh]

My brother scored a hat trick in his first SJHL game haha

[@byrd-is-the-word]

The definitive first tier of Hockey's Mount Rushmore is .. Howie Morenz .. Maurice 'the Rocket' Richard .. Gordie Howe .. Wayne Gretsky .. the second tier could include .. Jean Beliveau .. Mario Lemieux .. Mike Bossy .. Mark Messier .. Jaromir Jagr .. Denis Potvin .. Phil Esposito .. Ray Bourque .. Guy Lafleur .. Bobby Hull .. Stan Mikita .. Alex Ovechkin .. etc .. The absolute top of Hockey's Mount is "Henri Richard" .. back in 50 game seasons .. one of the earliest to reach 1,000 points .. "eleven" Stanley Cup Rings as a player .. a record that will never be beaten ..

[@hockeyguy533]

By the end of sids career top 3 of all time.

[@burprobrox9134]

I have been a Pens fan 50 years now and I think Sid passed Mario a while ago

[@PageMarker1]

From my own perspective, Connor McDavid is the best player I've ever seen, but love Crosby for who he is too. 3 Cups!

[@giovanniperticaro1623]

Penguins fans are so lucky Mario, Jaromir and Sid❤

[@wilboy117]

How does a video about Crosby end up involving Auston Matthews. Auston Matthews is overrated

[@Brian-dg3gh]

Apparently he’s on a higher goal pace than ovechkin. He has more goals now than Ovie did at the amount of games Austin has played.

[@michaelshields6326]

​@@Brian-dg3ghHe's also playing a higher scoring league than when Ovechkin was in his prime. If scoring stays the way it is now and IF (it's one hell of an if considering how well Ovechkin aged) he stays healthy and ages well I would not be surprised to see him end up beating Ovechkin's totals. I still would consider Ovechkin the better player though, Matthews has never been the all around offensive force Ovechkin was at his peak.

[@dhunter1133]

I'm a Pens fan, so yeah, I'm a total homer for Sid. Having said that...Lemieux and Gretzky were on an entirely different level; otherworldly talent that I saw with my own eyes. Sid has talent, but he makes his bones by never taking a day off; the greatest grinder in the history of hockey. The fact that he's still better than a PPG at his age is incredible and speaks volume about his dedication to preparation. But one thing I've never seen Sid do is dominate a game, just completely take it over, put his team on his back and carry them to victory, the way those two could. Malkin has; it's rare, but he's done it. But Sid never has. Yet with Sid, you always what you're going to get from him, game after game, whereas Malkin could simply disappear for entire stretches. And so, I can only wonder whether Sid truly belongs on Mount Rushmore or the next tier down of great, but not legendary.

[@dixoncider4684]

Yes, Crosby is 5 indeed

[@afzalhakeen4941]

we don't wanna hear MR NO SHOW PLAY-OFFS AUSTON MATTHEWS ANYMORE OKAY

[@jakobtanner6109]

Crosby was top 5 in 2017

[@v4v819]

Crosby is in the top 10 of all time in anyone's books who knows anything about hockey history...

[@Connor8609]

They stopped debating top 10 all time like 5 or 6 years ago atleast. Then it went to Top 5 argument now it seems closer to replacing Howe on the top 4.

[@j1mmyc1nque]

Where where does Jagr sit on the list? Number two all time in pts, 2 cups. Not saying he needs to be top five but would argue he has more right to that claim currently than McDavid Matthews or my active player not named Crosby or Ovechkin.

[@dw1784]

Why is Crosby #5? What possible argument is there to say Howe ranks up there with Gretzky, Lemieux, and Orr? IF Howe is legitimately in the top 4, then he is absolutely 4th. I argue that Crosby is #4 and Howe is #5. At this point in time, Howe went from being considered the best ever when he had the points record and goals record. Well, he's 4th in points now, and 3rd in goals. When do generations after him eventually get some credit? My ranking (based on pure talent, not just results and longevity): 1) Lemieux 2) Gretzky 3) Orr 4) Crosby 5) Brodeur? Bossy? Hasek? Howe? Jagr? Lafleur? Sawchuk? Lidstrom? Pick someone for 5th, but I don't know why goalies don't get any credit for being one of the best of all time. Why is it always top point producing forwards and Orr? No other D gets mentioned, and no goalie ever gets mentioned. I think that's criminal to the best ever at those positions. Also, why not a great 2-way forward (or defenseman for that matter) who put up tons of points and excelled in his own end? That is another list to break down. Those are pure championship winning caliber Clydesdales that every team dreams of drafting. A lot of not-so-sexy attributes get left out of the discussions of the best ever.

[@rolieg81]

Top 10 alltime. Encroaching top 5.

[@ModessyGuy]

McDavid and Matthews both have a lot of help. Is the fact that they did not do it yet their fault or the management. Crosby has never played with a star winger or a sought after defensive core. Other than Malkin and Fleury, he did not have the talents that McDavid and Matthews have. But, some how Crosby got it done.

[@wwpjd28]

Did you forget a HOF Dman there? And Guentzel is going to be a top FA on the market. So I think you are wrong on that too. I think Crosby is top 5 too and not even sure if I put him 5. He did play with 3 HOFers though. And McDavid is probably more talented and will pass him. Matthews is special too and will have a shot to end up the greatest goal scorer of all time and the greatest American. I think way too many talk about them as just offense too. They play much better defense then gets credited to them. And there are real management and team problems that have led to them not winning yet. McDavid’s postseason stats are crazy. They play in Canada too and NHL doesn’t want Canadian team to win. Coming from an American.

[@meladgoat]

@@wwpjd28 crosby won a cup without guentzel tho. the amount of money edmonton and Toronto has spent on their core alone, it would be embarrassing if they don't get a cup out of it.

[@wwpjd28]

@@meladgoat it’s a salary cap sport. Most teams are spending pretty similar amounts of money overall. I wish it were more like baseball (my primary sport) but money spent feels like a weird metric. I’d expect Canadian teams in general to spend well because they are going to be more consistently well supported than most American teams and they have to keep players from leaving to the US. And he said that Crosby has never played with a star winger. I was just pointing out that this was clearly wrong. I love Crosby as much as the next guy but I do think his career gets hyped in weird ways to try and make the “he’s clearly the modern GOAT” debate. I think he clearly is without the exaggerations anyways. I do think McDavid is more talented and will pass all his individual accomplishments rather easily. He just happens to play for a Canadian team so 3 cups feels hard to see. And Matthews isn’t even in the GOAT discussion but he has a very good shot at being the greatest goal scorer of all time.

[@chickenalaking1319]

Imagine if Sid Hossa for multiple seasons...

[@theJoefamilychannel]

WELL deserved

[@darrenlum1522]

Outside of individual accomplishments, Matthew's is the greatest forward in US history

[@nadaduo1765]

lol no

[@jameson1239]

Patrick Kane, Mike Modano, Brett Hull, and Chris Chelios have something to say about that

[@yannikarmas2695]

Statistically he's on pace, if he stays health AND if he can win. The greatest american players have all won at least one cup along with their great stats.

[@SverigeiSverige]

@@jameson1239Brett Hull not US born...

[@jameson1239]

@@SverigeiSverige he played for the US Olympic team

[@ryanlauzon2004]

hes number 3 end of story

[@Connor8609]

If he plays 5 seasons he will be the only other player but Gretz with 2000. We will see though. He's well on his way to replacing Howe in the top 4.

[@terryparenteau1200]

Top 3 for sure.

[@TysonGould-td2wh]

I was good at hockey too about to play AA but the coaches hated me haha I only made it until the league below midget

[@coreywilliams6390]

This is such a pre-playoff, dog days of the season filler of a conversation.

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Nobody debates this 😂🇨🇦✔

[@TroyTagz]

matthews needs a cup first

[@hippomancy]

a top five list with no Maurice Richard? you're old enough to have a notion of this...

[@MuttzyDogg]

Stop it Richard is my uncle and he ain't worth mentioning nowadays kids are on another level... 10 year old are better than Gretzky

[@Damphouse]

He has a case for #5 but nothing higher. Don't even wanna talk with people who think he's cracked the big 4.

[@Mattyice6969]

Me when I’m wrong

[@Damphouse]

@@Mattyice6969 *me when I have no patience for people who don't understand just how dominant the other 4 players actually were

[@Mattyice6969]

@@Damphouse see right there. Assuming I don’t know how great Orr, lemieux and Wayne were is crazy. The league is BETTER than it was in the 90’s, 80’s, and 70’s by miles. But it’s ok bro. I’m not going to argue with you. I know I’m right. Sid by the end of his career will be top 3 all time.

[@Damphouse]

@@Mattyice6969if the league is SO MUCH BETTER today than it was in the 90s, why was a 43 year old Jagr (who was playing in the early 90s) still a first liner in the mid 2010s? Oh I know, maybe because equipment/coaching/training aren't the same thing as inherent talent and great players adapt to the time periods they're in regardless. People overinflate this "the game is so much better" bullshit and try to make it sound like hockey players in the 90s were cavemen with tails and we've evolved in a decade. It's extremely lazy rhetoric that I've been hearing for years.

[@Mattyice6969]

@@Damphouse I am not reading all that lil bro. Not arguing I’m right you’re wrong

[@jonnymoses6927]

Nobody cares about what Gordie did against plumbers and firemen. Crosby is 4th at worst

[@codies1212]

go watch golf

[@jonnymoses6927]

@@codies1212 what does golf have to do with it?

[@jogendron6320]

It’s not as fast so you might be able to follow!

[@FUCKTHEFASCISTSCONTROLLINGYT]

Gordie Howe could've played amazing in any era, and almost did. The cups, trophies, and insane longevity are tough to beat. He was in the top 5 in scoring for 20 straight years.

[@jonnymoses6927]

@@FUCKTHEFASCISTSCONTROLLINGYT considering the fact that there were less than 20% as many teams and players in the league when he won his cups and trophies, I don’t think they mean quite as much. Let’s be intellectually honest here. I don’t deny that Howe would be an all time player in any era, but nobody should be putting him as a lock above Sid

[@themanhands5599]

420 is only acceptable answer.

[@kidpoker9408]

Mcdavids 3rd in scoring in his prime wayne would be first on assists dlone

[@christinab.453]

Sid os top 5

[@rejean2744]

50 goals once, 40+ goals once....please let's pump the breaks. A great player but, he should not be mentioned with the top four.

[@MrNeilgoetze]

Yeah! And Orr only ever had one season over 40 goals so take him out of the conversation too! Cuz clearly all time players list only means goal scoring ability.

[@FUCKTHEFASCISTSCONTROLLINGYT]

Messier only had one 50 goal season too, and Howe had none, and Messier played in thr highest scoring era ever, on the highest scoring team ever, and with the most dominating scorer ever plus tons of other talent. 🤷‍♂️

[@rolieg81]

There's the 🐐, and there's 9 others who make up the top 10...

[@ripapa6355]

Crosby>Howe

[@zigfield723]

Problem is, McDavid has already established himself as the only other player who is on Gretzky Lemieux Orr level, and when its all said and done, he could very well be considered the greatest. At the very least he's already the most skilled ever.

[@kennedykozub3926]

Imposible to be the greatest, how many stably cups first Wayne have, and the points that Wayne has…it’s imposible…in order for Connor to beat Wayne’s points, he would have to play 30 seasons playing at the same pace he is, which is imposible

[@kennedykozub3926]

I love mcdavid but that’s just not gonna happen

[@justindietzler8787]

Crosby did as well. When he was hurt in his prime years, he was putting up mcdavid numbers in a much lower scoring area. In Crosby early years, he got a hundred points rookie year, won mvp as a teen (youngest I believe), won Stanley cup, gold medal with golden goal, and many more. Crosby absolutely dominated but too bad he was hurt. People have short term memories. Crosby has won 3 cups, multiple MVPs of everything, goal titles, most points, and so much more. Crosby used to fly too but he is so well rounded now that he is older. I would choose a prime Crosby any day and mcdavid has a lot more to do in order to catch Crosby

[@michaelshields6326]

​​@@justindietzler8787As great as Crosby was in his prime, the fact is he got hurt and never actually completed full seasons at that pace. What McDavid is doing now is above that, even when adjusting for scoring levels McDavid's numbers come out ahead. With the exception of 1 month during the 21/22 season and the first 16 games this year, McDavid has maintained an 150+ point pace for almost 4 years now. At 27 he's still head and shoulders above anyone else as the best player in the world. After his age 26 season Crosby's offensive production dropped off and he was no longer the undisputed best player in the league offensively. Do I believe he could have possibly done what McDavid is doing without the injuries? Maybe, but unfortunately it didn't work out that way and you have to give McDavid credit for actually doing it. Crosby has had an amazing career and I have him as the 5th best all time currently, but I have zero doubt that McDavid will bump him down to 6th once his car eer is over.

[@Connor8609]

​@@michaelshields6326He did it over 82 games while being hurt. I think it's deluded to believe a 24-26 year old Crosby wouldn't torch this league.

[@dougpeters3110]

yes yes yes

[@codyj7532]

Crosby is better than top 5

[@whoopdattrick9390]

Top 5 but once mcjesus done I think he’s out of the top 5 ….to me it’s 99 66 87 4 and 5(lidstrom) with hasek in the cage and bowman on the bench

[@ryanrae6026]

McDildo can't win a cup... irrelevant.

[@georgewright1093]

Sidney Crosby???? I'm one of the most knowledgeable experts in the world on hockey, maybe the most knowledgeable, and I've never even heard of this person. Was this some kind of an April fools joke?

[@954roof]

He was there before but okay Rofl no Connor mcdavid? How bout he learns how to play a full game and win in the playoffs first?

[@MADDESONCOUTTS-u7g]

Mcdavid will retire at #2, no question. But the fact that he's so much better than everyone at a time where everyone is so good, it's a testament to how great he truly is.

[@ryanrae6026]

With no cups... no.

[@whoisjaaxn2587]

top 5?! yeah settle down.. top 3 and he's making an argument for 1... stop w the bs

[@Jimmyfly215]

@@Landongirard1 not having #4 in your top 5 is wild.

[@kurtthekool]

Crosby is top 5 easy

[@sammmy4495]

Fire sully

[@robertbrown8900]

Top 5?? Cmon. How are we forgetting about Maurice Richard? Remember him? 544 goals in 978 games mostly played in the 40's and 50's . First player to score 50 goals in 50 games and it took 35 years or so for another player to match that feat. 8 Stanley Cup rings. The Rocket is definitely top-5 all time. As far as Crosby is concerned, he's obviously an all time great. But you can't tell me he's better than Mark Messier, or Jaromir Jagr or Bryan Trottier or Mike Bossy or Denis Potvin or Bobby Clarke, or Phil Esposito or Ray Bourque or Guy Lafleur, or Jean Beliveau or Bobby Hull or Stan Mikita.. really, you could argue that any of these players is just as good or even better than Sid. He's top 20, I'd say,

[@MuttzyDogg]

Sorry gretzky lemieux orr not top 5.. the top 5 is todays players. Jagr would be the only one worth debating

[@StephenMacInnis]

Typical tsn ,have to get a kiss on Mathews and McDavids arse

[@DucksonQuack1]

Higher than McDavid

[@eddy5097]

To me he hasn't won enough cups or individual trophies I take Hasek and Pronger over Crosby np

[@ryanrae6026]

haha.. good one.

[@MuttzyDogg]

Lets be real any player whos peak was prior 2010 should not be mentioned. Sorry gretzky himself said he could only dream of being half as decent as today kids. So gretzky automatically out of the conversation. Any player from them era should not be mentioned garbage real trash hockey worst than todsy beer league

[@livetotell100]

Your a "Butter Boy" That means you give credit, when credit is due. BUT, you still talk about McDavid, and Matthews. If you want to consider them would be greats, They BOTH need more than 1 Cup. Because that means they are leaders not scorers. If you feed people all the time they will score. Just look at Ovechkin. He has no clue how to distribute a puck. Or motivate a team. Crosby 3 Cups, Lemieux 2 cups, Gretzky 4, Howe 4, and Orr 2. The greats make their teammates better. Ovechkin, McDavid, and Matthews have yet to prove that. Score all you want. But to REAL Hockey fans, scoring, ASSISTS, and Cups are the decider in who is great.

[@ryanrae6026]

Multiple golds too...

[@robnotwicz7002]

6th or 7th

[@kurtwpg]

6-10

[@nicholascrowell8189]

Just my opinion all time, gretzky 1 Mario 2 orr 3 howe 4 crosby 5 Yzerman 6 Ovechkin 7 Bossy 8 Belliveau 9 Stastny 10 Thats my top 10 currently

[@mdmazing183]

The funny thing is, i took mcdavids first 7 or 8 seasons all of them basically last year and compared to crosbys BEST 7 or 8 seasons and guess who had better stats😭 spoiler its not Crosby

[@Brian-dg3gh]

Crosby is a 2-way player. He’s only won 2 art ross trophies. Sid offers much more than points.

[@mdmazing183]

@@Brian-dg3gh yes like diving and crying

[@Brian-dg3gh]

@@mdmazing183 even if we did focus on points, the years you’re picking for Cosby were when 100 points would win the scoring title. This year there will be 10 players with 100 points. Also, Crosby 3 cups McDavid 0. Nobody is taking you seriously.

[@mdmazing183]

@@Brian-dg3gh yea youre right, Patrick maroon has 3 cups we should be comparing it to him right? And he has 3 in a row on 2 different teams. Its settle. Maroon better than corsby

[@Brian-dg3gh]

@@mdmazing183 if Pat maroon was the captain of those teams it would be an indicator that he is arguably better than McDavid. There is a big difference between winning a cup and leading a team to a cup. For example if McDavid can’t win a cup he may not even be considered better than Malkin or Jonathan Toews.