How History PROVED That BTS PAVED THE WAY!

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@melisme27 Жыл бұрын

This is why it’s important when idols like Hoshi said to Yoongi that BTS is the reason K-pop groups can promote in the US and Bangchan saying that BTS paved the way. Namjoon was just agreeing to what others have already said.

@nycarriapainter270 Жыл бұрын

I had never heard of Kpop until Covid when I heard Life Goes On and Dynamite. I still didn't even look into the band because I was never a stan of any specific artist but then last year when it was announced about their military requirements I looked into them. I realized they had tons of music and I started listening. A year later I am proudly apart of ARMY and truly its insane all they have accomplished.

@g100-w6j Жыл бұрын

Awww welcome!! You found the tannies at the right time for you so have fun and enjoy the ride🫂🫂💜

@janetuss6496 Жыл бұрын

If you haven't seen him yet, another reactor Tribe Loui became hardcore Army like half a year ago when Hope on the Street came out, he's going through BTS extremely thoroughly and in chronological order. Like even obscure content, pre-debut songs and all the covers they did. It's a great channel especially for newer army to discover some new content, or just experience it all over again with him. He's also one of the few reactors who keeps his Patreon entirely free, so very genuine guy

@ArmyMoa4ever Жыл бұрын

BTS made kpop global Nobody in india even knew that the song gangnam style was korean Hell even few didnt even know that south Korean music industry exists But then BTS came now every indian atleast knows BTS and many of them are even army

@ishajaiswal6603 Жыл бұрын

So true

@thvbitch Жыл бұрын

Yes end those jealous kpoopies for me

@fujoshi._.universe8154 8 ай бұрын

Bro... I was the most embarrassing person living under a rock...I thought Korea and kenya were the same countries...lmao 😂

@ArmyMoa4ever 8 ай бұрын

@@fujoshi._.universe8154 🤣 lmaaoo

@victoriab98 Жыл бұрын

not an army but thanks to bts paving the way i got introduced to so many great groups and i’m now a multi stan 😇

@pambarab5506 Жыл бұрын

There were a lot of us who left other fandoms because of their hate to BTS and Army. I started leaving some in 2015 and by 2016 I was only an Army. I still listen to all of the groups, but Army is my only fandom. Those fandoms actually hurt their fav groups because of their toxicity and Army became even stronger and more loyal to BTS because of their actions.

@celine9richardson Жыл бұрын

💜💜💜💜💜💜 army’s got you and bts got you

@nycarriapainter270 Жыл бұрын

Also I was 12 when Gangnam Style came out and I never even realized it was another language. It was just a fun song to dance too when it would play at school events. It is disgusting to see how people react to kpop music. I get comments now from people saying that its weird or that you can't even understand it. Like I can google and read, but PSY truly was huge in America and it's sad he wasn't recognized more in the West.

@ArmyMoa4ever Жыл бұрын

I got to know about Gangnam style was a Korean song after becoming ARMY( for 2 years)💀💀🌚 that to bcz of memes😂😂 i.e. in 2021

@mugiwaraluffy6791 Жыл бұрын

Gangnam was famous in 2012 ,but i don't know that song in korean language, and i thought he name also gangnam style but when i discover bts in 2015 because Dope song and i need u then i realised gangnam style is korean language

@aishwaryaahirrao Жыл бұрын

BTS paved the way and kpopies know that too...they just salty🚶‍♀️ won't change the fact.. BTS PAVED THE WAY

@aishwaryaahirrao Жыл бұрын

@pruitv3 ofc a VIP would cry about it... cry harder..cuz it won't change the fact that BTS paved the way for k-pop globally and made it acknowledged around the world, from making this "niche interest" which lil % of ppl knew around the world into part of global music conversations on world stage.. k-pop was just popular and loved in east Asian countries, not around the world.. other than east asian countries.. only few % of k-pop stans knew k-pop around the world before BTS.. after BTS..well as you can see, ppl who haven't even heard about the term "k-pop" or did before, now only recognises k-pop through BTS... BTS broke the barriers and proved to k-pop industry that you could succeed and survive without the help of industry and you can become big without coming from "big 3"...that underdogs in industry like BTS can be big and rule the world and music industry without any privilege..and I'm proud of them..cuz i hv been there.. fighting with them against the prejudices and injustice and unfair treatment from the music industry in Korea as well as west, standing proud with them as their fan for yrs.. don't worry..i know more about the k-pop industry than you assume.. I'm not new here darling.. it's been yrs and almost a decade..i hv seen it all😙

@aishwaryaahirrao Жыл бұрын

@pruitv3 😂🤣you are so delusional love..even my og k-pop friends accept the fact that BTS paved the way for k-pop globally..but you do you dude, whatever makes you sleep at night ig😂 believe your delusions

@aishwaryaahirrao Жыл бұрын

@pruitv3 cry harder..idgaf😂

@Armymom1984 Жыл бұрын

Lol and blinks still want to fight Army’s about this.

@Baldheadfelix Жыл бұрын

I'd say that BTS made more k-pop known no cap!! Self-made billionaires they themselves made their company successful along making themselves sucessful too I'm a multistanner my first group was BTS starting 2018 and current as straykids I'd say the truth they paved the way!

@Hopie_T Жыл бұрын

What did we learn today guys? Jealousy doesn't help anyone XD

@BtsyearJK2025 Жыл бұрын

armys really never catch a break man like we are so strong and chapter 2 is full of battles too but we remain loyal andd strong it is so amazing

@dreammore10 Жыл бұрын

Tell me why inkagyo winners having the guts to submit to Grammy?? Just after bts got the nomination...they git the vma nomination just after bts got them and won them..Kpop albums are now in TARGET becz armys wanted them...Thanks to bts..koop is now a popular genre...Be grateful

@g100-w6j Жыл бұрын

Clock that tea🤝

@carljohnson914 Жыл бұрын

can't believe this still a conversation to this day🤦

@Hope_On_The_Stage 4 ай бұрын

And now after Neva Play it's started again lol. Also, because of you I need to play GTA SA again😭😂 Damn you😂

@celine9richardson Жыл бұрын

BTS PAVED THE WAY 💜

@Kalakeiko Жыл бұрын

I think the reason why some people are bothered by the phrase is not because they deny it (although some of them do), but because it's often used to disrespect and discredit other groups in Kpop and downplaying their own achievements and successes for no reason and looking down on them, but that is not to say that I agree with people who completely deny it either, not at all.

@Hbora0613 Жыл бұрын

BTS paved the way, anyone who doesn't accept this is jealous and unfortunate

@Kalakeiko Жыл бұрын

@Hbora0613 Жыл бұрын

@@Kalakeiko alot of K-pop fans do not respect BTS at all and disrespect and ignore BTS' achievements and songs and I have seen this kind of behavior all the time. Most of their problems are directly with BTS, Not what happens to their group, which is mostly the result of their own behavior.All groups deserve respect for what they achieved, including BTS

@Kalakeiko Жыл бұрын

@@Hbora0613 I definitely agree with your last part, the problem is that there is toxicity in any fandom and that said people always try to pick fights with each other and attack each others favourite groups and that is very unfortunate as every group deserve respect.

@aishwaryaahirrao Жыл бұрын

@@Kalakeiko agree with their first part of comment too..cuz it's just facts..the h8 boner kpopies hv for BTS and ARMYs is just a result of their salty ass

@orelha2064 Жыл бұрын

My dear, army elevate cyber bullying for another step. This speech "other fandons dont respect bts" dont work anymore. Somewhere in time you have to look sincere at this In Canada, a radio station was going to open one hour to play KPpop and the army protested because other groups were going to "receive attention" based on BTS's success... Talk about toxicity. If fans don't want the success of other groups, who did BTS pave the way for?

@kaesori8892 Жыл бұрын

A wise man once said: I paved the way for everyone that is pavin' the way (If you know you know 🙌)

@wolfy_moonchild Жыл бұрын

man i love tablo

@dreammore10 Жыл бұрын

He prefers bts himself so no worries

@BadaLeeTheSea Жыл бұрын

BTS paved the way

@robwebnoid5763 Жыл бұрын

What BTS is doing is hugely paving the way back to the origin of KPop, which is the United States. Please be reminded that there is nothing inherently Korean in K-Pop, except maybe the faces, but that's about it. Everything else in K-Pop is from the "west". So what BTS is doing is making K-Pop come back full circle to where things started ... the U.S. & the "west".

@robwebnoid5763 Жыл бұрын

@pruitv3 ... Actually practically all of it is from the west. It's been like that since (& before) Seo Taiji (Jeong Hyeoncheol), who he himself is not KPop, but he inadvertently was the inspiration & influence of this idol industry's birth. Lee Sooman brought the business model part of it from the US. If you want KPop to be inherently Korean, then they need to stop using the 12TET music scale & start wholly using traditional/ancient Korean pentatonics. 12TET has its origins in ancient Greece & also JS Bach. All the clothes need to be mainly Korean too, if you want. Even all the electronics now used in KPop, as well as used in the rest of the world, was invented in the US, as well as in Europe before, since the 18th century. For example of electronics ... the television, sound studios, computers, lightbulbs etc. This includes synthesizers. The television is what made KPop as "KPop", because it's both a visual & audial medium. That is why the formfactor platform of singing + dancing worked/works nicely in KPop because the television became the tool to show it. Not many other music in the world use that platform other than maybe Broadway musicals & Bollywood. All the music genres in KPop that they started with & still using are western, even a lot of the "pop" part of it. You have rock music, jazz, hiphop, EDM (which edm would not have started without electronics), classical (western), R&B, gospel, etc, practically all invented in the US/west. I bet all the music from all idol bands since the mid 1990's have been using 12TET in their songs. Sure, they might have injected some Korean-type music elements & ancient Korean instruments a little bit throughout the years, but the start & majority has been musically western. So, it's not that it's being claimed now because KPop is getting more global, it's because it was claimed & known since before KPop, going back to Japanese J-Pop, which also originated from the US, as well as Korea having adopted & playing western music since the 19th century, which is at least 150 years now. Even Trot music in Korea is partly western, as it originated from foxtrot, which is a form of jazz, which jazz originated in the US & introduced to Korea by way of Japanese colonial occupation. And there is also that teeny weeny tiny bit of trivia that South Korea would not be what it is today without the US, or else all of Korea (north & south) would have become an entire Communist state for the past 7 decades now. Blame Lenin & Stalin for that one, if you like. Thus, BTS is hugely bringing KPop back full circle to where a lot of KPop came from, even if BTS is getting xenophobia from it. And KPop is probably not going to stay a singing+choreo platform forever, it is continually evolving. Perhaps KPop might even become a traditional instrument band type of platform in the future. You see that now with some rock bands signing under KPop labels. It's happening without many kpop fans being aware of it. That part itself would then circle back to Seo Taiji, who is first & foremost a rock/metal multi-instrumentalist. That is the big irony of KPop, in that it became more pop, hiphop & R&B, not rock/metal music, only because Taiji was doing a hiphop-rock group in the early 1990's that was the impetus & template for KPop to become. And then Taiji goes back to metal & rock music (mostly nu-metal) by the Y2k era, heh, because that is his favorite genre. So what could KPop potentially look like in a few generations? It could start looking like the Jackson 5 or Prince, because those groups were singing + instruments + choreo. And yes, a lot of my youtube comments are usually this long, heh.

@aishwaryaahirrao Жыл бұрын

@@robwebnoid5763 and i loved reading every bit of your "long" comment.. appreciate it😊

@tiffanykim2773 Жыл бұрын

😅😂😂😅😂

@robwebnoid5763 Жыл бұрын

@pruitv3 ... Go ahead & think whatever you want, everything I said is pretty much accurate, in general terms. No one is claiming it because KPop has become more popular globally. And actually you shouldn't be calling it "KPop" anyway, because formally it's called "idol industry" in SK, which the word "idol" & its concept in this context also came from the west, going as far back as during the days of Frank Sinatra when he was an idol. Even The Kim Sisters were singing & speaking in English, on pop songs from the US, back in the 1950's, who people consider these sisters as the beginnings of this modern Korean idol music.

@robwebnoid5763 Жыл бұрын

@pruitv3 ... Alright then explain to me what you want. Those Korean singers helped create the foundation through the Butterfly effect of what you now consider KPop/idol music. & if not for them & the west, there is none of this industry in SK happening today. It's like all of this seems so important to you, when all of this is just fluff & part of showbiz. "KPop" is just like any music, sports & movies in the world, where they survive off everyone's wallets in exchange for entertainment.

@eileencritchley4630 Жыл бұрын

A lot of the problem is that too many immature brains take it as an insult rather than thinking illogically and seeing the benefits that can be reaped for their own group. Also you have the jealously of the once big 3 who are kicking themselves for not leading the way.

@BansheePurple Жыл бұрын

There's so many delusional people out there. Like it's not that hard, just take the fact BTS paved the way and move on like a lot of idols and if you don't want it whatever, that doesn't change anything, the numbers and history is there lmao. Army is proud of Bangtan and we will keep saying it because they are achieving so many things and making history, we want them to be remembered and of course we don't want certain people to discredit what they have done for the kpop industry. And to the idols that are saying they did it instead of BTS, idk and idc if they are being pushed to be "the next BTS" and their company told them to say that...that was just not cool. If people get offended by BTS paved the way is because they don' know the real meaning of paving the way and what have happened the last 10 years. We will keep defending the guys and the ones using the "x paved the way or x paved the way for themselves" look just ridiculous at this point i'm sorry. I mean, those are the ones that usually take all our army inside jokes and other stuff that army creates as theirs and A LOT of times just doesn't work for the,😭 I've seen some fandoms using the term "kpoppies" now without knowing the meaning and that they are the kpoppies themselves and I've also started seen some people saying the "once you JimIN you can't JimOUT" but with their favs names on it and no offense but it sound so bad😩. Army doen't waste time arguing about that, it's a common thing at this point so we just laugh at them lol and of course while streaming and voting for BTS 😂

@Kalakeiko Жыл бұрын

@orelha2064 Жыл бұрын

@@KalakeikoEXACTLY!

@cylief Жыл бұрын

@@Kalakeikocause Fandoms got toxic fans, and ARMYs just w it's size, you can tell that a toxic minority can be a majority Fandom size of others already.. It's not that ARMYs discrediting everyone else, but the toxic one does, cuz they feel superior being part of a 'big' Fandom, which means they are toxic people already but found more outlets by just being a 'fan'..

@cylief Жыл бұрын

I hope that when you see ARMYs or just any Fandom, use something to discredit others, see how much their words are being taken, do many agree, do many say the same thing, also it's so easy to report, mute or block such people, they are in the community to spread negativity, and they find happiness making others feel bad, you don't have to be part of fandom collective thinking to be able to stop seeing this kind of 'fans', at least we ourselves can judge when others becoming toxic already.. In ARMYs sphere, you won't see it but within we always do cleansing, but of course there's alot getting out of the net.. If only Fandoms will also do the same.. Why not be focused, cheer ur faves, celebrate their achievements & be grateful for their hardwork, but I don't know if you can't tell many Fandoms always have bts in their mouths talking vile things about them constantly, how do you expect ARMYs would react to that, many disagreements within fans were bcuz ARMYs were being provoked, when we minding our own business, other Fandoms also minding our business..

@Kalakeiko Жыл бұрын

@@cylief I am of course aware that not every Army is toxic and immature or that they all attack and insult other groups and fandoms and that every fandom has people like that unfortunately, including the fandoms that I am a part of as well. I was just explaining why that particular topic and phrase tends to get a lot of negative reactions from other fandoms, even though they would've agreed otherwise, due to the way they are often used to look down on other groups and Kpop as a whole, even if BTS was never even brought up in the first place, for example, when a fandom is celebrating a groups achievement and success.

@ishajaiswal6603 Жыл бұрын

I'll tell all u of guys a cold hard fact and a truth which is already universally known and acknowledged by the people all over the whole world. BTS PAVED THE WAY. God damn, i didn't even knew a thing like kpop even existed before them😅 it's only hard to digest for koreans. As an international army i can 100% say that bts is the only one who paved the way. Blackpink is only famous in India because after finding out about bts some girls find out about girl kpop band and start staning them because they r girls and their choreo and all r much easier to try out then bts. It's a true experience that i had not once but many times.

@tiffanykim2773 Жыл бұрын

The only kpop group who's music I've ever heard in my country (Guyana South America) is BTS 😂. They even play their documentaries and such in our local movie theatres and no one else's, as well as sell their merch here. To me that's impactful. The argument is always BTS weren't the first to do XYZ and while that is somewhat true BTS are still the first group to get an invite into the Western Industry and stick around , growing in popularity year after year. They did what no other group was able to do before because those other groups were selfish or their companies were more so because the minute their respective artists had their little one hit wonder moment they immediately tried to conform to the shitty standards of the western music industry and failed hard. BTS however got invited and proved themselves not only that but they kept through to themselves and didn't immediately try to confirm to the BS western industry. They also survived the racists BS of the US media, public and music industry therefore they earned their spot and the right to be known as the kpop group that paved the way for all others. They continued rising year after year after their first Billboard appearance and official debut. The haters need to shut up and understand that without BTS properly opening the door for their favs, those favs would still be struggling to even get any attention from the Western Entertainment industry or their media. They would solely be on S. Korean music shows fighting for a win. Whether it be newer groups or groups that came up the same time as BTS were coming up or even before BTS debuted, these groups need to accept the truth and start giving BTS their due and their flowers. BTS will always be that bih and the fans of other groups should accept this and show kindness as well as continuing to work their asses off the way BTS had been doing up until their hiatus. I'll always love how BTS kept true to themselves even after they started getting bigger and bigger overseas and overtime. Truly other fandoms should bow down at their feet. I can't wait for BTS to comeback honestly because kpop is boring without them.

@singularity553 Жыл бұрын

The way some people feel about Kpop is hoe people felt about rap back in the day and also how they try to still separate POC music from major categories. Awards mean nothing anymore because of this and BTS is cashing big checks regardless. I'm so glad they stopped letting them us them for views.

@thegirlwiththedeadtooth Жыл бұрын

BTS were able to make Kpop more known, which is kinda paving the way for the generations after them but other artists opened the door for them.

@aishwaryaahirrao Жыл бұрын

In short.. BTS paved the way

@NightmareAfterMe Жыл бұрын

@@aishwaryaahirrao and so did others for them

@aishwaryaahirrao Жыл бұрын

@@NightmareAfterMe i hope you acknowledge the fact that BTS "paved" the way...cuz there's huge huge difference in the impact and contribution on large scale of BTS on k-pop industry as whole as well as music industry in general compared to other k-pop idols contribution

@aishwaryaahirrao Жыл бұрын

@@NightmareAfterMe not paved the way for BTS...but help them in a way for becoming an idol...cuz if there wasn't an idol system, there won't be any k-pop group rn ofc Tbh for being a k-pop idol..yes..idk about any other things k-pop industry helped BTS with, other than that..so ya.. 1st and 2nd gen helped them in becoming "k-pop" idols or you can say "k-pop exist" because of the 1st gen idols other than that BTS weren't helped in any way by k-pop industry, infact industry and big 3 were the biggest reason that BTS faced much hardships in their career coming from a small almost bankrupt agency and the industry tried everything they can, to stop BTS from getting big..BTS indeed paved the way for k-pop globally while also breaking many barriers in k-pop industry, great example is being the first group from a non big 3/ small label to win daesang..

@aishwaryaahirrao Жыл бұрын

This convo here under this comment reminds me of something.. BTS has a profound capability to articulate what they introspect. And what they introspect is very often beyond the boxes set by the society. The kpop industry in itself is extremely nuanced. From its origin being a total inspiration from the western music scene to certain contreversies blowing up that would have been normal among the western celebs but was unacceptable to the conservative korean public to then labels cultivating the idea of "idols' that in its literal sense was meant to be as perfect and godly enough to be idolised. And that meant no sociopolitical opinions, behaviour that was even minutely angsty etc. That segregated the industry into k-hiphop, k-pop and more. Where k-hiphop didnt have to fit into the regimental ideas of idols. BTS was the first to be the perfect in between. They were vocal, stood by their morals, were inherently respectful, but would call out anyone mistreating them or the double standards of the society, expressing it in their art, their music. While in the k-pop scene some groups tried to voice themselves but their labels shut them out, others just werent musically inclined could only do what was spoonfed to them. *But one thing that remains unique even from a global standpoint is that BTS broke the moulds of all industries! From questioning the one dimensional macho culture that seemingly defines hiphop culture according to some, to questioning those who claim to be rappers without writing their own lyrics (most idol rappers are like that). Their commentary falls under a spectrum. They proved that being vulnerable and acknowledging your lows only makes you stronger. Their lyricsm touches upon the growth and progression from school boys, to teenage angst, to adulting difficulties, to adulthood temptations, from flurishing to failing as an adult, to finding love for oneself, to finding the true essence of one's inner self, to the effect of the pandemic....they do not present or box themselves into any mould that could possibly please certain crowds based on each ones values, but shows the natural ways of a human to keep evolving. They have been vocal about how certain lyrics from the past are not ones they resonate to now because they have evolved over the years. That normality and the poetic ways they make this normality audible to their audience via their music is what makes it tough to feel a personal connect to anyone else. I have listened to more artists than one can imagine, but never found myself so called 'stanning' anyone. I still listen to music from all over the world including many korean artists. But only BTS has changed my life to the levels of that which usually only close family members are capable of! AND boiling it all down to "BTS did that for Western validation" or discrediting BTS's huge contribution to k-pop industry with words like "but" or denying the fact that BTS paved the way, simply acknowledging it rather than showing microagression in between or inserting other gens or k-pop groups...is such an insult to BTS's impact & their artistry, which kpopies would never understand..and it baffles me!* 🚶‍♀️

@ZahraZahra-viktory95 Жыл бұрын

Legend💜💜👍in kpop

@sylviabondoc3870 9 ай бұрын

AGREE ITS A WASTE OF TIME TO ARGUE WITH DELUSIONALS. I WILL JUST STICK TO THE FACTS

@xiBlaaZeD Жыл бұрын

BTS paved the way 10000000000💯 FACT

@sylviabondoc3870 9 ай бұрын

no contest here. It is true that BTS paved the way.

@Golden_kook Жыл бұрын

BTS PAVED THE WAY

@celine9richardson Жыл бұрын

20:48 22:34

@bhagwatigarg 10 ай бұрын

Sorry but controversial is that..how BLACKPINK SAYING PAVED THE WAY AND BUSTED LEFT..AND REST IS MESS...WHAT THAT LYRICS MEANING Not PAVED THE WAY thing...NO...BUT THE THING IS THEY SAID REST IS MESS..IS REALLY WRONG ..whole kpop worked so hard

@orelha2064 Жыл бұрын

The problem is that this "bts paved the way" speech is constantly used by army to compare with other kpop artists and diminish their victories. You don't get hate because people disagree about bts paving the way, but because you ignore the hostile context of fan bases within kpop, including army. Just remember the hate you received when react to a channel that celebrated blackpink. That's why it's difficult for a mature person (I'm 30 years old) to stay involved in the fandons. It's a lot of nonsense and rivalry. The speech is not used to celebrate BTS's success, but rather for fanwar. I still have a problem with this view that the North American market is the pinnacle of success. I'm Brazilian and BTS and Kpop don't need to try so hard to enter a xenophobic market that has treated them badly countless times and win a Grammy, a competition that only rewards "their own", clearly. We say in Brazil that people tend to have a stray dog's view of the USA. BTS was already a success before reaching the American market and will continue to be so when, invariably, it leaves it.

@cylief Жыл бұрын

Sadly Fandoms always have toxic ones, how much more w ARMYs, it's noticeable that everyone thinks that way, it's just that a MINORITY of ARMY can already be a MAJORITY of others due to different Fandom size.. Why no one ever take that In consideration.. And seriously, it's hard to hold everyone's mouth cuz in the end, it's the people themselves that are toxic sadly they are also called fans..

@orelha2064 Жыл бұрын

"Just remember the hate you recieved when react to a channel that celebrante blackpink" Sorry, that wasn't it. I got confused. It was actually a vídeo about bts pave the way and shows blackpink like they didn't. Everything I said remains valid, it is even reinforced by the debate generated in the previous video

@kynotii Жыл бұрын

i want to address your 2nd paragraph the western music industry is the largest music industry in the world, which is why foreign artists would want to enter it. the chances of their music reaching a large audience is much higher in the west compared to other parts of the world. the reason armys push so hard for a grammy despite being fully aware the they're xenophobic is because in this situation, bts wins. if bts get a grammy, it's a symbol of a foreign artist beating an industry who was against them since the beginning. you can apply this to anything, like for example; bb hot100 where armys know we're being sabotaged but still push for #1

@Mistysilvermist Жыл бұрын

Preach

@BtsyearJK2025 Жыл бұрын

sorry but just saing the phrase youy will get like paragra[phs from kpop stans for why they did not lol

@Kpopiopopcrumbs Жыл бұрын

@littledebie Жыл бұрын

Could be much more easy if armys just say "BTS also paved the way and is the most successful kpop group that exists till now" The video itself said something that apply to armys also "they didn't care about beyond how they want to perceive it" this whole paved the way thing. Kpop fans critics BTS more because of their fans than because of their history, achievements or discography. The same way armys says that kpop fans are delusional and use arguments about 1st and 2nd gen just to talk trash BTS, a lot of them use the 'Paved the way' thing to talk trash old generations by making sound that BTS create KPOP. Would be much more respectful if everyone says "thank you old gens for paved the way to BTS till certain point, for them be able paved the way ,way more for the future kpop gens" The person who did the video have a POV of what's paved the way. And is okay, everyone have one. The problem is how you use this to disrespect others. BTS paved the way since 2015 and is a fact, but others came before and cut all the grass and and put cement to make the future generations run and achieve even more things than they did, this is ALSO pave the way. Who can guarantee that if BoA was not the first one making success in Japan, BTS would have the opportunity to be huge there? Who can guarantee that if EXO didn't open the way with rich fansites in China, BTS would get this. The author of the video says that paved the way is not who came first but you can guarantee that without that BTS would have the ways to be who they're? Anyway, KPOP fans would agree with the phrase if armys don't use the phrase to mocking others. They say people disbelief BTS success and achievement but mocking kpop groups for not having the same success and the same numbers. Is like that person that now makes bully because was bullied in the past..

@orelha2064 Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY!

@cylief Жыл бұрын

Then why don't you understand that all the artists you mentioned have their own success & it didn't help others in a much larger scale? What I mean is it's their own success but others won't have it that way cuz they aren't them, the one you mentioned. Imagine some nugu groups try to do what the famous older gens do?would they succeed?what do you think? Would people give the same treatment as they gave to those successful ones? That's what Bts differentiate from the ones that succeeded before them.. Cuz bts were in unknown category, isn't that why they are being constantly sh*t on early debut era.. They are not like the norm of kpop & they are even nugu.. Now can u see from that, how much influence it caused just how nugu groups were being seen now? The treatment alone was better, now even if u came from a small company, you are given a fair chance like the ones from big ones, they are being heard, many discover many groups not only from big labels.. That almost was not the case during bts time.. Before them winning in 2016, no one, no one from any nugu groups, small label ever win a major award.

@cylief Жыл бұрын

And you mean toxic side of Fandoms having petty fights with each other. When it's ARMYs, you generalized all ARMYs think that way but when it's discrediting bts from some other Fandoms.. They are not the majority.. That already is how hypocrite Fandoms were...

@DanielaMoralesA. Жыл бұрын

idk if you know this, but when armys started using "bts paved the way" in a "mocking" was in response to kpawp stans saying that bts were "beggars" and were "licking america's a$$" or "seeking western validation". bts were called this for promoting in the US, only for the rest of the kpop industry to do exactly what bts were mocked for, yet i don't see the same things being said to other kpop groups. Mind you bts as still mocked for "wanting" wEstErn vAlidatiOn, so armys will continue to mock them, as they should tbh

@littledebie Жыл бұрын

@@cyliefSee, you're doing exactly what I said on my comment and making sound that the only achievement that matters is from BTS cause is "globally". All the groups debuted in kpop help the industry, doesn't matter if is large scale or not. How you can't say that didn't help? H.O.T the first group to make the training system, the recruitment system not help the industry? Each group have their own success and their own view to achieve their goals, of course they can try go and do things others did before but in the end is their only growth, if they failed or they succeed is all about them, you say BTS came from a small company and make their name and now paved the way and help other right? So why still small company struggle to make successful groups? Should be way more easy right? But is not. This don't have nothing being in a huge or small company. Sistar is still today the queens of summer, they came from startship a small company and was a huge success in Asia, they made their name and still have impact till today, they debuted before BTS and winning some daesangs too like Song of the year many times. The "better treatment" you say don't exist to new groups sorry, of course BTS fame bring more people to look into other groups but new groups with small small company don't have better treatment till today and this is a industry problem. Or you go say that DKB is knowing for lots of people? Must B, Blank2y, Flush, M.M D, Nine.i, Epex, Drippin, Super Kind. When was the last time you heard about them in a korean tv show, or korean music show?

@justincarrillo4676 Жыл бұрын

paving the way doesn’t mean shit if you aren’t letting anyone else use the path you paved

@g100-w6j Жыл бұрын

who exactly is stopping all these other groups from using the path made by bts tho lol y'all just want army do to the work for you and ur faves when that's not how things go. if u have all these opportunities/tools in ur disposal because of what BTS have achieved and the doors they have opened and you STILL ain't making any significant progress/aren't seeing any results I'm sorry to say but thats on you 🤷‍♀️ bts and army ain't responsible for others success/impact/achievements etc

@justincarrillo4676 Жыл бұрын

@@g100-w6j “y’all just want army to do the work for you and ur faves” explain what you mean here. every time any other group tries to do anything army’s are so quick to discredit them. it’s always “bts did it first” or “they’re just trying to copy bts” bts paved the way and they are the most successful group of all time, no one is saying they aren’t. other groups being successful doesn’t make bts any less successful. bts is who they are and other groups are who they are. they can coexist. enjoy your faves and let other people enjoy theirs. you can appreciate and love bts without putting any other groups down.

@aishwaryaahirrao Жыл бұрын

@@justincarrillo4676 and you can accept the fact that BTS paved the way, simply rather than adding "but this group also" "no but 1st & 2nd gen" or giving BTS backhanded compliments or showing microagression..this mere fact won't change the struggles or contribution of your groups..ppl not accepting the fact, BTS paved the way.. kpopies i mean, not accepting it as it is, is infact the reason we ARMYs need to rub this fact into y'all's faces..if you simply acknowledge what BTS did for k-pop & be greatfull for the opportunity, and give them their flowers..no one would be hurt..btw about bringing other groups down, I'll only say coin has two sides.. it's what we choose to see..we don't clap from just one hand..both sides have their fair share of so called "fans" who ruin it, that too very lil % tbh..but we don't generalized whole fandom on basis of that, do we? Cuz if that's the case then other fandoms have done much worse to ARMYs and BTS.. lets not get started

@superwho9458 Жыл бұрын

BTS their entire career SINCE 2013 was discredited about any and every little thing they did. They were told they plagarised, they were told their messages were not realistic, the minute they had success they were told it was because of 2nd gen or someone else, there had be organized projects to tear them down (still able to be found, the paper trail is still there), they have been kicked out, kicked down, refused to be reported on and yet...BTS is still here. So again, that's a you problem and not an army problem. It's always okay to do until its BTS. It's always okay of other fans to crap on BTS until Army pushes back. Army are so loud about BTS and their success and impact because the rest of you love to discredit every step they took. You all love to try and re-write history so that is why army are so loud. @@justincarrillo4676

@justincarrillo4676 Жыл бұрын

@@aishwaryaahirraoi literally said in my comment that bts paved the way and is the most successful group. idk what else i can do to show i accept what bts has done. but you’re right. both sides are at fault.