How I get awesome HDR on any game. Fixing HDR gaming on LG OLEDs.

Near black test pattern that I used. I got it from a video of Classy Tech Calibrations
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[@ThePepeOne]

How happy am I having found this channel?? Thrilled!! 🤣 You good sir, are LG's C1 TV setting guru! 💯👍🧠

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

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[@ThePepeOne]

Thank you, watching now.....@@plasmatvforgaming9648

[@Simon_Hawkshaw]

Your continued sharing and great information has made my C1 monitor produce a wonderful image. Thank you so much.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

It feels great to hear that. Enjoy!

[@PatrickFisker]

Had to like and sub! Loved this! I have an lg c3 oled, in my game i play most i has brightness hdr to 800 cause thats What i set it for when i calibrated at hdr program. Do you know What mode tone mapping should be? I have set it to hgig but im not sure if its correct. I want the best looking game (i play star Citizen) open world space game.

[@PatrickFisker]

Also in the secret menu im using the BT2020 , is that good?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

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[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

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[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

HGIG means no tone Mapping, set the Ge brightness to output 800 to use HGIG and it will look the best if the HDR is good

[@hdmoviesource]

Good video. I think using the brightness control is better to use when making large black level changes, because that also controls the way way colors look too. You can get more saturation by just using brightness vs fine tune dark areas. Fine tune dark areas is best used when black levels are almost perfect, and they just need a minor tweak. If you use fine tune dark areas where black levels are completely washed out its not good, because fine tune dark areas only effects low black levels. That means that the rest of the image is brighter than it should be and the colors will not look as saturated. So, getting major adjustments with the brightness control will yield better colors and better dynamics. Then minor adjustments with fine tune dark areas and the end to have an image that pops more.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Yes. Actually, I have a video coming with Fine Tune Dark Areas analysis in depth

[@hdmoviesource]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 okay great, thanks. Keep up these great videos.

[@SevyTheGod]

May be worth clarifying that you should take a screenshot of a scene that features an object that would logically be outputting the game's max brightness (the sun, bright neon sign, fire, etc) otherwise the HDR viewer may be reporting a maxcll that is too low.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

That's right

[@mannyfresh7065]

So I have a C2 42”. My screenshot says 3315 nits max with hdr on (hgig and windows hd calibration set to 0,780,780). Am I wrong to think maxcll should be my TVs peak luminance ?

[@SevyTheGod]

@@mannyfresh7065 the game is outputting a luminance way above your TV's peak brightness. You'll need to set tonemapping to OFF and go into signal override signal secret menu and set maxcll and mastering peak brightness to the closest value you can find to 3300 nits. I'd also suggest taking a few more screenshots to confirm, 3300 seems like a weird value, I'd guess the real peak brightness is 4000 since that's more common.

[@lemmykilmister6792]

Thanks for Your Tipps, good Video, you are the first one who check this correktly. Greetings from Germany 👍

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

You're welcome 👍

[@Simon_Hawkshaw]

A bit late to the party again, but I just want to mention that this file "Near Black 16-27.mp4' was not in any of the downloads that I copied from you, unless I missed it. I did get it from AVForums and it helps me a great deal. Thank you as always for your very hard work and sharing your results with us us. My screen looks amazing now. BTW my screen 'brightness' level is at 52 to get this Near Black perfect.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Make sure that 52 is still giving you perfect blacks. Otherwise use 51 and Fine tune Dark Areas 1 or 2 clicks if that still gives you perfect blacks. Otherwise use 22-point calibration and raise red green and blue to 5 starting at to 2.5% signal level then decrease to 4, 3, 2, 1 in each subsequent point

[@Simon_Hawkshaw]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thank you so very much for your reply. I will try these other settings and see if there is any difference on my screen. Your assistance is amazing and much appreciated.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Also, download the latest Full screen gray scale pictures to test

[@Simon_Hawkshaw]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thank you. I certainly will do that. Take care and all the very best.

[@TheVindu33380]

Thank you very much, but how do you know if it's better to use native hdr or auto hdr with windows 11, or HLG with the secret menu?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I believe I answered that better here in this recent summary kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKuXmJ6pm9Jmfqs

[@michaelriga6431]

This is very well-informed and researched. My issue with HGIG and with Astigmatism is that HGIG is too dim usually for me. Highlights are fine, but overall when playing darker games like Dark Souls, or any RPG really, it's a very dim image and very hard to see in certain areas. Now I'm in a decently black room but not fully black. As for DTM, I like the brightness of DTM but the white crush is super bad. I've heard others say to use HGIG, Color to 0 which will then help the brightness out more, and also change the color from Auto to Native, while it does make it a bit more saturated I've heard it seems to fix some of the issues with HGIG. I have a 77" C2, and I've disabled the two things in the service menu, I guess I need to try this new secret menu that was introduced. I've saved this video, going to try some of this out with NFS: Unbound. In NFS: Unbound, the night driving is perfect but day driving with DTM is bad. I've also noticed this in Midnight Suns too.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

If you want brighter midtones use this trick, it works for everything and it looks fantastic kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHO0n42YjbmdjMU

[@michaelriga6431]

To report, now this is on my C2 with the new EVO Panel which gives it a 30% boost to brights. When I tried Blacks at 46 and set my PS5 to Limited for range, I did get a better overall picture with HGIG but still a bit dim. I also tried to fine-tune dark areas at -16 and -5 and honestly could not tell the difference. Now for the washed-out feeling, I'm still getting that even if I change my PS5 to limited, and keep it on Auto on my C2. I also set my color temp to 0 and it did fix a lot of the HGIG issues, it's still not super bright. I used to have QN90A (Samsung) which was a very bright TV but terrible for shadows or blacks. OLEDs should be able to produce decent brights (which I can see they do in the dark scenes very well) but in light scenes, it seems like I might have the wrong settings or something. I followed this guide from a REDDIT user and my SDR, for example, looks terrible and my HDR looks decent but I know could be better. Looks nothing like your HDR though. drive.google.com/file/d/10rH8tz37nT_plYAp1_bwvB2ZFx5Tf91T/view?usp=share_link

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I would recommend you to first judge a game that doesn't have broken HDR on the PS5. Use HGIG on a completely dark room with default black level (search for a good HDR game without black level raised) then if you still think that it's dim turn off TPC and GSR on the service menu at your own risk.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Watch this kzbin.info/www/bejne/j37WlWmVp8eFmKM

[@michaelriga6431]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Yep I noticed on watching a series on Netflix (Sandman) how bad the dimming was. Just as bad as my QN90A which is another TV for you can not disable GSR or TPC. It's why I got rid of that TV for a C2. The issue is most games, are still not made with HDR in mind, look at for example the new Final Fantasy Crisis Core that just came out, the game is not HDR yet FF7 Remake is. In other games like Spider-Man or God of War, the AAA titles are in HDR, but they are not using LG as they are supplied by Sony. I used to work in the game industry for a AAA developer many years ago, many of the developmental kits that the developers obtain are supplied by the console company in this case Sony will supply the developer with the kits but also TV, soundbars, etc. M$ does the same thing as their TV of choice is Samsung OLEDs, and they supply developers with Samsung soundbars which honestly sound terrible compared to a Sonos Arc with the backs and subs. With it off it does help the TV, I still get a slight white wash on some games like NFS: Unbound and Midnight Suns during certain spell animations, I just can't fix that it seems. I have looked at Vince's settings, P4ALO, and others, and I still can't get the deep blacks like IGN and you, and other media have with their OLEDs. I personally think my settings are off. SDR looks even worst to me, looks so whitewashed that it's not playable. Multiverses that looked fantastic on my QN90A look terrible on a C2 because the game is not HDR but an SDR game that you can not force to HDR. There are other games like this too when they do the HDR Upscaling, the graphics look terrible. As for brightness, I think I have the right settings now, but the color is my next priority. For some reason also, whites don't look white either. They look like an offset of white (Hex E4E4E4) instead of pure white (Hex FFF) and I've done this test on my PC too where my LG SDR monitors push pure white (FFF) accurately, but on the OLED they do not. This might need to be adjusted with the white balance, and I do not know, my eyesight is good but I need glasses that give me a blue light filter, and due to my astigmatism does make my eyes a bit wonky. Honestly again I think my settings are off, and that is where I need some assistance. BTW I don't use the TV as a PC monitor very often, only when giving presentations when needed, typically my work monitor is what I use for PC work and gaming.

[@TheEdmaster87]

I am testing some more games in HDR. I actually like many games using the SDR/HDR trick better because its easier and faster to setup, because many games have broken HDR still.... As long as I can turn off HDR, or No support for HDR regardless if auto HDR is working or not. I am still using the universal trick of yours, unless the game has perfect hdr like witcher 3 now and elden ring☺️

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

It even looks bright enough for OLED Motion Pro High and I use that all the time

[@eloyfarina]

Hi, sorry if didn't uderstand properly, my english is not good. Should I perforn this calibration with each game? Or only once with a game and it will continue calibrated for the next games?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

The HDR Calibration app is one time only. The Black level settings and HDR Tone Mapping is on a Game by Game basis. I speak Spanish too

[@Ryu_Yin]

This is great! One question, If I do not want to fiddle wwith secret menu and changing the pax peak LL for every game, can I leave it at a value and forget about it? Such as 540, or maybe just AUTO? Thank you.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

10000, but you will only get the maximum peak brightness if the game MaxCLL is 10000

[@Ryu_Yin]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thank you. So I can set 10000 for every game, right? Just leave it at that value and forget about it? Even for games that do not have a MaxCLL of 10000, it'll still work? Thank you.

[@hardlytech9072]

I appreciate the link to this video from the previous. I understand what youre saying here and have done similar in most situations, but I'm wondering if I didn't explain what I was talking about correctly. So, in short, the VRR standard G-Sync forces a different tone mapping than using the VRR standard FreeSync. Freesync adheres to the same peak brightness of ~800 nits that HGIG calibration would set, regardless of picture mode selected, with tone mapping set to 'off' in these other picture modes. Whereas, on our C2, GSync only maps correctly using Game Optimizer with HGIG selected. This seems to offer higher brightness levels for specular highlights, while full scene brightness and color reproduction looks to be roughly the same as HGIG in both GSync or Freesync. I'm wondering what your thoughts and or testing on this comparison would be? You dont have to go out of your way to make a video or test if you don't want to, of course. It's just an interesting difference between GSync and Freesync that I haven't seen anyone cover. I'm not sure anyone has tested this, either. In any case, thanks again for your videos, they're very informative and are right up my alley. My own channel is born out of my own curiosities!

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I understand your statement and I would check the HDMI signaling override menu, you might have Mastering Peak MaxCLL 700 or 1000, there's no 800 value on the TV and Freesync can't change that. I will still look into it and I'd make a video if that's the case

[@hardlytech9072]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 OK, interesting. I'll look into how to do that and see what I can come up with. This is kind of what I was wondering, if Freesync was following the HGIG information with it enabled, and setting to 1000 nits with DTM off or something similar. I appreciate the info!

[@IB1GMANI]

Great video When should you use boost mode and vrr and are u getting dead space

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Boost mode is supposed to work at 60fps/Hz exclusively and if all you can get is 60fps I would recommend you OLED Motion Pro ON. I'm going to wait for a sale on Dead Space

[@leonardomu]

Thank you again for the video man. That value, 780 nits for your TV. I think C2 is a little brighter. How can I find my exact value here if I use windows hdr calibration app?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Use the same, even if the c2 is brighter, HGIG hard clips when the Maxcll is 800, so the C1 might be 740 nits and still hard clip at 800

[@leon9021]

Discovered this problem of a Grey or Washed Out looking picture with my A2 65". I mostly use it for movies but I was trying to fix this grey looking filter and your suggestion helped. Black Level / Video Range set to Limited crushes too much but I think I may use it as the Cinema Home preset for watching SDR movies so I dont have to switch HDR off on W10. Otherwise I use Screen Brightness set to 48 or 49 instead of 50 and that helps reduce the washed out look. Im having a hard time deciding which though since I prefer 48 on brighter scenes and 49 on really dark scenes. At 47 I almost completely lose the darkest boxes in the same test pattern so I wont go any lower for movies tho and I do use Tone Mapping as I find it working really well on most movies. Also do you think Im missing out on the HDR calibration App on W11? My CPU cant upgrade to W11 so Im not sure if Im missing out a lot or just a little bit, should I spend 100$ or so to get a better CPU just for W11 and the HDR app?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Windows 11 HDR calibration app is used by a lot of Auto HDR supported games, totally worth it. And if you are planning to play games a CPU upgrade is welcome

[@leon9021]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Good to know, but I dont think I will play games on my A2, Im mostly interested in Films. Might be hard to say, but do you think a professional calibration would remove the grey washed out look in HDR or would that still be there?

[@EmilioGalicchio]

I've been struggling with windows and HDR since 2016/17... i read tons and tons of topics on the matter and this video in 18 min is more useful to me than everything i ever read before about the subject Thx man !! do you know if samsung have a secret menu for tone mapping??

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

No, Samsung tone mapping isn't Maxcll based, it's maximum display luminance based. I would need to test it to share a video like this for Samsung

[@yfz450rider39]

Thank you for the help!

[@FireGate_13]

why do you set in "HDR calibration app" the white setting at 780? is it tv's specific value?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Because 780 causes the games to MaxCLL 797 which is perfect for C1 HGIG hard clipping at 800

[@FireGate_13]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 how do I find my tv's hard clipping value? is there a way? I have a nano LG tv (sk8000) and I want to find it's best CLL settings. Also I am afraid that the secret menu is C1 only :( how do I found my tv's secret menu? :)

[@ericoliphant1891]

Hey man I have a dumb question. I just got the LG27gr95qe. When doing that windows 11 calibration with the tool, I am lost as to what value to set for those last two windows. In other words I haven’t found a consistent value anywhere, and had found a website saying that peak brightness in HDR of the monitor is 1000nits typ. or 800 nits min. Do I just use one of those values? Or is it something lower than that in reality for this monitor? Any help is appreciated.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Do you see the logo disappearing at 800? Just increase it until you see it disappear

[@ericoliphant1891]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 It disappears at a lower value (around 400 or maybe even lower I think). I also have my panel brightness set to 100%, so i’m not sure if that will make a difference in the value. I think this pretty much answers my question though lol. I was probably just overthinking it. Thank you!

[@fernandoporto6464]

When you check to activate Auto HDR on consoles to display SDR games on HDR on a TV that supports that (I also have an Oled C1), is the TV supposed to actually show the HDR logo on the corner and switch to the HDR picture modes list like it happens with native HDR games, or is it supposed to just improve the image? I can't tell if Auto HDR is actually doing anything for SDR games. Thanks and congratulations or you channel.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

If you go to Select Mode it should say HDR, take a screenshot of a highlight and see what is the Auto HDR MaxCLL on the PS5, then follow what I showed in this video

[@allansolano5587]

Normally auto HDR games at least on pc they show a notification that auto hdr can enhance your game then the logo appear and they you have to go to the game bar and turn up a slider to make it work

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

The HDR intensity slider defaults to 100% and that's the setting to get the HDR calibration app value you set

[@jax6815]

Why would you select 780 nits instead of 800 in the system level calibration menu? I thought the LGC1s max was 800 nits?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Setting 780 causes the games to MaxCLL 797 which is perfect, setting 800 causes MaxCLL 838

[@jax6815]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Ah ok thanks for the info.

[@ahmedjabal540]

You prof bro i love your content continues

[@gurpindersinghmuttar]

What you showed is based on 1 screenshot but that game has different nits for every scene So is it really correct to use random screenshot of the game?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

No, we have to use a scene where the highlights are as bright as they will get.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Check this more updated video out kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKuXmJ6pm9Jmfqs

[@garyvojtek1907]

On ps5, for Horizon Forbidden West.. You would do the max CLL of 10000 and tone mapping off. Now when I change FTDA to - 16, do you suggest keeping brightness at 50 or lower to 46 and the - 16? Thanks!

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I was referring to Horizon Zero Dawn on PC which is 10k. Forbidden West HDR is perfect and the best option would be HGIG. To answer your question when you use FTDA-16 that is equivalent to Screen brightness (black level) 46 so use one or the other but not both.

[@eloyfarina]

I think that Nvidia has the fault of this, in previous updates it was working fine, and now Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered when the HDR is on, I don't notice any difference. I will try this.

[@Alancard88]

No more active HLG mode in the secret menu ?? Some vid with everything I need to configure to have the best possible image with my c2? Thanks and congrats for your vids

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I no longer use HLG on the PC because the SDR/HDR trick on Win11 is better especially the colors

[@Alancard88]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 link video trick pls ?

[@dloc2907]

Please do this for Starfield!!! Great video.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

New Starfield SDR and SDR HDrlR trick video releasing today, then Native HDR, then Xbox TV settings recommendation

[@antonioc2583]

I'm not sure i understand when i should set tone mapping off instead of hgig and use the secret menu. Can you tell me in which case is useful? Thank you for sharing this precious information

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

For games that don't have sliders to set the Maxcll and don't support the system level calibration. Dead Space is a good example, the game Maxcll is close to 4000 nits and you can't reduce it to 800 to use HGIG, then use Tone mapping OFF

[@antonioc2583]

​@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thank you very much!

[@strictlynineties]

To get Limited 50 on my LG C2, I need to set Full to 41, not 46. Not sure about it but that's what my eyes see in a pitch black dark room

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

You might be right, I have a c1 and 41 full is actually double limited (=to limited 46)

[@strictlynineties]

@Plasma TV for Gaming I forgot to play around with Fine Tune Dark Areas. When I go to your recommend Full to 46, it seems I can get the same results as I had at Full 41 when I set Fine Tune Dark Areas to -11. I can't see a difference between Dark -16 vs Dark -11 though. I'm honestly not even sure of the purpose for Fine Tune Dark Areas if you can get the same results in the regular brightness menu.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Fine tune Dark Areas affects the lower end of the gray scale

[@captain3873]

For a c9 owner, would your uncharted settings work fine for 10,000 nit games? I believe you said to use full on tv, limited on gpu, dtm off, and FTDA-18/-17

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I would recommend you instead, use Full on GPU, Limited on TV, Screen Brightness 46 and HGIG. Open the game on SDR and max out the SDR HDR slider on win11. The uncharted Native HDR doesn't look very good regardless

[@captain3873]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I use gsync so I suppose I keep FTDA at 0 right. As well as the in game hdr and auto hdr off.

[@arielpuig7302]

@@captain3873 Yes

[@vivisimonvi]

C9 owner but I think uncharted 4 looks fantastic in HDR "out of the box" on ps5. Same with LoU2. Wish I could see the PC versions.

[@illusionion10]

Hi, when you calibrate the hdr in windows will the maximum peak brightness value be different for the 48 and 42 diagonal? Peak brightness is about 720 nits, not 800 like on big TVs)

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

It actually doesn't matter because HGIG is set to hard clip at 800 and regardless of the 10% window measurement the TV actually pushes a little bit more brightness in real content. There is a way to improve that and make it accurate with calibration by measuring the actual peak brightness of your individual panel and using Calman home for LG to create a Tone mapping OFF Curve to follow EOTF and hard clip at the actual peak brightness of the TV

[@MonsieurHidan]

Hey man do I need to have the sdr to hdr maxed out and also the hdr intensity with the Xbox game bar maxed out ? Cause I did a test on Arkham Knight that supports AUTO HDR and if those two aren't maxed I get 84 nits with a screenshot full of lights and 838 nits if everything is maxed out.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

For Auto HDR supported games like Batman Arkham Knight the intensity slider in the Game bar defaults to 100% and it will use the HDR calibration app, use 0 780 780 0 to get MaxCLL 797 instead of 838. Lower the black level for every single Auto HDR supported games using Fine Tune Dark Areas -16

[@MonsieurHidan]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 It's weird cause even in Auto HDR with Batman i can change the HDR Intensity slider in the Game Bar And i don't know where to put the slider for SDR to HDR Luminosity in Windows Settings =/ But i've done the -16 it's looking better

[@MonsieurHidan]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 SO i've tested again with de SDR to HDR Windows Bar at 0 and the HDR Intensiry at max i get 797 Nits wich is perfect if i drop down the HDR Intensity to 0 i get 151 nits ^^

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

When the game supports Auto HDR the SDR slider doesn't have any effect, just leave the game bar intensity slider in 100 and use the HDR calibration app to set the MaxCLL

[@SevyTheGod]

btw what values do you use now for SDR->HDR conversion? Is it still FTDA -30 Brightness 49 or Brightness 41 for BFI

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

FTDA -30 SB49 is equivalent to sb41 but I think for the trick it's better SB41 because I actually want to affect the entire gray scale and not only the lower end. Try both and see which one you prefer, FTDA -30 SB49 is going to be brighter midtones

[@SevyTheGod]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I see, I assumed the FTDA setting would be better but now considering that forced hdr elevates midtones unnecessarily as well, crushing those would indeed be preferable

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

That's what I see

[@m1c4ry]

Hello there! How come I don't see any visual change when I change maxCLL and mastering peak values? I expect the picture to slightly change, just like when you change between Limited and Full. But I don't. Feel like it's unused? I have DTM off. Many thanks.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I will do a video about that, open a white clipping pattern like an in-game slider (Forza Horizon 5, The Division 2 for example) and you will see how the clipping point changes to exactly the value you select, for example the logo will disappear at 10000 if you select Mastering Peak MaxCLL 10000. After you notice the change and realized in game where to look at, you won't unsee it anymore

[@m1c4ry]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I think I get it now. Many thanks man, that's really helpful. I tweaked my ps5 for days gone, looks so much better, I've set DTM off, maxCLL to 2000 (the game is around that apparently), DTM on is really weird, the picture is too bright, seems wrong, I think I'll never use it again, it actually doesn't make sense to post process the picture with a LG algorithm actually changing what the game outputs. It's very visible that it's much better when you go in or out of a building. Last thing I wonder on ps5 is about the black range. I've read so many different things that I'm not sure about it.

[@BolaGame83]

Hello, could you tell me how to enter that secret menu for LG CX in order to calibrate MAXILL?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Step on Select Mode and press 1113111 quickly. Same as on the C1

[@m1c4ry]

Hello there, any recommendation for ps5 rgb range? Wondering if I should use full and -16 if necessary as described for pc. Many thanks!

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Yes sir

[@Aurosonic]

For some reason all the colors are still more vibrant and colorfull when i'm forcing black level to limited on TV comparing to FTDA -16

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

That's because Forcing limited affects the whites and the clipping point of HGIG becomes 525 instead of 800, meaning you would have to reduce the game MaxCLL otherwise you would get clipping, so it basically looks brighter and more vibrant but you're losing highlight details

[@Aurosonic]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 got it. So to summarize all your HDR experience with the example of Metro Exodus (not Enhanced Edition): I turn on Windows HDR slider, i turn on in-game HDR. As it has no HDR slider, i've to measure it's maxcll and force it via 1113111. Video Range should be on Full or Auto and FTDA lowered to -16. DTM should be OFF. I've measure Metro Exodus MaxCLL and it's 2772 nits, so i've set MaxCLL via 1113111 to 3000 nits. HEre's my overall settings: 1. i.imgur.com/bccXlf0.jpg (measure maxcll) 2. i.imgur.com/YJhPy6T.jpg (Black Level 50 default, Video range Auto, DTM Off) 3. i.imgur.com/EiLmQdl.jpg (MaxCLL via menu set to 3000) 4. i.imgur.com/53r7poS.jpg (FTDA set to -22 instead of -16 cuz it gives me better blacks still remaning all the shadow details compared to -16) Am I correct? And still comparing this one with SDR conversion through HLG DTM OFF, HLG gives me more vibrant colors and better pop-up highligts and deeper blacks and overall contrast as well. To me the game has more atmosphere with the HLG trick. Same for some other games like GTA V and RDR2. They looks more atmospheric with more pop-ups highlights using HLG trick instead of Auto-HDR or HDR ON SDR slider maxed out and MaxCLL 540 via menu. That's just my findings through all the videos I watched by you. And a big thank you for all your researches you've passed through. It helped a lot. And the HLG has become my best dicovery for HDR experience so far. Although i was quite disappointed to know that LG C2 42" has HDR peak brightness of only 700 Nits. I've been thinking it's same 800 as C1 and as it was claimed by LG. But Rtings and some other portals measurements says it's only 700 nits.

[@Aurosonic]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I've finally managed to get better quality for Metro Exodus than HLG! Using in-game HDR, MaxCLL 4000 (found an area where it shows 3171 Nits), Full Video Range. Had to lower FTDA to -20 and Black Level to 46 and now picture is super vibrant and colorful, super bright lamps and no more greyish color instead of black. Perfect blacks now with full video range and all shadow and highlights details preserved! Happy with it now, it's like a completely different game. Awesome feelings!

[@TheEdmaster87]

Actually all Ubisoft games that support hdr has the washed color problem. Ubisoft doesnt know how to do native hdr properly.

[@ronyomar100]

I don't understand, if the game supports more than 1000 nits, do I have to disable tone mapping or use HGIG ?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Is not a matter of support, if the game allows you to set 800nits with sliders or supporting system level calibration use HGIG, if not then use the option Tone mapping OFF (the TV is actually doing tone mapping) and Mastering Peak MaxCLL= Game MaxCLL (take screenshots and open them with HDR WCG image viewer app to know)

[@TheDolphindanI]

Hey, I'm curious about the difference between changing display brightness vs in game brightness. Is there a noticeable difference?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

The problem with in-game brightness is that you are shooting in the dark, these settings work because I identified the problem which is some games are Limited within Full for some reason and I know for sure that Screen Brightness 46 (black level) is crushing exactly the same as forcing Limited, with in game settings I have no idea

[@Rick-yj4nf]

This is great not everyone has PC connected to their TV. How about showing a video with out tools using your PC. I have C1 sometimes colors do look washed out. But if I use limited looks better but crushes blacks need to find the middle. Any help what to do

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Lowering the Black level or forcing Limited crushes the blacks and that's totally fine. You can instead use Fine Tune Dark Areas -5 instead and see

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

or screen brightness 49

[@istvanzadori1397]

I have a 3060 laptop with an lg c4, if i switch hdr on, no screen why?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

That's probably Gsync, turn it on and OFF

[@nikomint4894]

Any way to fix black raise on samsung tv? Starwars outlaws is killing me

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Try Shadows -5

[@corzabourne2101]

What do you have your hdr brightness slider set to in the win11 display settings ?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

0

[@strictlynineties]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Are you talking about the "SDR content brightness" slider? I thought we should keep that at 50?

[@SebastianGrunau]

Hi. i use a lg cx. If I set the ingame slider to 800 nits in Cyberpunk, I measure a max cll of 1027 with the wcg image viewer. If I set the slider to 600, I measure 797. Which variant is the better one? slider to 800 and in the service menu maxcll and mastering peak to 1000 with dtm off or slider to 600 with dtm hgig without settings in the service menu?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Fantastic job, that's exactly what CYBERPUNK is doing, the best option is 600 with HGIG. That's why it is so important to double check the in game sliders because they don't do what they tell you sometimes. HGIG is always the best option because it means no tone mapping on the TV. Doing Tone mapping causes a roll off that makes the HDR pop less. HGIG Hard clips and causes everything to pop more

[@TheEdmaster87]

You could also turn off HDR in the game and use the SDR/HDR trick which works best imo

[@drewc1991]

I just want the best settings for Witcher 3 PS5 update on my LG c1. I went ahead and toggled to hgic and already noticed a diff but the darker scenes could still use some help. I find that the gamma setting is quite high in game. Am I to toggle until the image disappears or just one above it disappearing?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I don't have a PS5 to test and The Witcher 3 HDR on my PC supports system level calibration and has perfect black level, I just use HGIG and it's perfect. On the PS5 based on the Gaming Tech video I remember that the MaxCLL was over 1600nits and that being the case I would use Tone mapping OFF Mastering Peak MaxCLL 2000. If you notice the black level raised on the PS5 just leave that Gamma setting at the default and lower Fine Tune Dark Areas -5

[@drewc1991]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 thank you. I will give this a shot tonight once my basement is dark. 😎

[@kamil4439]

So -16 and Brightness 50 or 46? Thanks

[@SteveSmith-cm1hx]

Great informative video. Never knew any of this before.

[@steodoyne]

When I download my screenshots from my console and open them in the app it just says N/A beside estimated max CLL.. am I doing something wrong?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

That happens when the picture is SDR. The file needs to be .jxr

[@steodoyne]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thanks. What's the best way to do that if I'm downloading screenshots from Series X? They automatically download as .png

[@allansolano5587]

Ok so lets say my case that my tv cant do rgb full because hdmi 2.0 limitations so is it fine if i just use 422 with limited on nvcp and limited on the tv because i have never got this problem of washed out games when using HDR

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Limited on GPU and TV should look near black the same as FULL on GPU and TV. If you have a different display and you don't see washed out colors then that's ok.

[@allansolano5587]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 ok thats perfect then mine is not an oled but its an LG and i have the same menu as you so i can still use the hidden menu and the tone mapping off trick im pretty sure most of modern lg tvs can do it only option i dont have is fine tune dark areas

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Use the near black test pattern to make sure you set the black level and use the same HDR tone mapping option

[@leonardomu]

Hello man! How we exactly know if the game do not support system level calibration? Thank you!

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

You go to the extreme sides and look at the game highlights. If you don't see any effect, then it doesn't support the system level calibration

[@leonardomu]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Extreme sides you mean vision angle?

[@paulking9568]

Best settings for ps5 ?? Should youse tone mapping off or hgig and how much nit ??

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

HGIG is the best option if the game supports system level calibration or has sliders you can set to 800 for the C1

[@paulking9568]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 i have problème with hgig Always dark Can you help bro ?!!!

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

You can turn off TPC and GSR in the service menu to eliminate dimming, watch this kzbin.info/www/bejne/j37WlWmVp8eFmKM

[@paulking9568]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 finally i got best hdr perfect black for ps5 -15 black hgig hdr console max brightnes 47 its Amazing you love your Oled with this settings

[@savage7959]

has problem in battlefields . battlefronts and anthem. win 11. its work good in other games

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYfXiIB8ochqp7c

[@TheEdmaster87]

Hi again, just tried paw patrol grand prix for my kid. Took a screenshot and the game has HDR, but no sliders, which is trying to output over 10,000 nits. So I did the HDMI override to 10,000 and 10,000 with DTM OFF, the problem is that that with HGIG on, the highlights are brighter. What causes this? While DTM ON increase the overall brightness all over the picture and looks far brighter, is that normal? Or Does that mean that the HDR is broken in this game or . The game is free on game pass on PC, check it out will you for me? its like a few gigs to download. My other hdr settings are black level high, SB 50 and FTDA to -16

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

HGIG means no tone mapping on the TV. Use Tone mapping OFF Mastering Peak MaxCLL 10000 and FTDA 0 Screen Brightness 50, if you see black level raised just use FTDA-5

[@TheEdmaster87]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 yes I am doing that, but highlights are darker and not popping if you dont use hgig. So this is why I ask if the game is broken or my settings are wrong?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Nothing wrong, with HGIG it's clipping (max brightness) all over the place because the game is trying to output 10000, anything beyond 800 is going to lose details but pop. Also even if you compare using a game's sliders and adjust it to 1000 using Mastering Peak MaxCLL 1000 for example, HGIG in 800 is going to be better and pop more, because there's no roll off

[@garyvojtek1907]

Would be neat if you had a list that you update that shows MaxCl of popular games (can't expect you to test every game). I think people who watch your videos would like to know things like that and also which games support HGIG or anything else that may require picture setting changes.

[@91KevinJohn]

How can i do a screenshot from a ps5 Game. Like God of war? Someone tells i have to set Mastering to 4000 and Maxcll to 10000. You say always the same Value. I never would play with Blacklevel. Black level should match correkt.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

For the screenshot try this: "To the left of the PS5 controller's touchpad lies a small button with three vertical lines above it. This is the Create button. While holding down this button will take a screenshot, it can also perform various other useful actions" God of War (previous) MaxCLL is 10000, use Mastering Peak MaxCLL 10000

[@thibautvdb9880]

What do you first the TV setting or the ps5 hdr setting?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Set the TV to HGIG or the best tone mapping available, then set the PS5 system level calibration

[@thibautvdb9880]

Thx bro you always got me 💯

[@AdisVejzovic-th4ee]

PleSe my friend i have lg c2 oled tv and im playing ea fc 24 on ps5 console..can you help me or make video how muchh max cll is corect...

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I haven't tested FC24 use HGIG if the Maxcll can be set to 800. The easy solution is Dynamic tone mapping where it's going to push all the brightness without too much clipping even if the Maxcll is 4000 (default)

[@AdisVejzovic-th4ee]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 can you figure aout how much nits and max cll suport ea fc 24..

[@AdisVejzovic-th4ee]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 the problem is when I use dynamic tone maping its in some cases to bright and picture its i dont know how to say its like changing its very hard with ea fc 24 so i need you please make video...thank you

[@qe58hmr]

for LG CX Gsync on want to play rdr2 i should 1 Windows HDR Calibration 2 HGiG 3 Fine tune dark -16 in rdr2 play on sdr or Hdr if HDR what the numbers there

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

The HDR calibration app has no effect on RDR2. You can use HGIG and FTDA-16 but the problem is the midtones are too dark and the picture washes out when you increase it. The best option for RDR2 is the SDR HDR trick

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHO0n42YjbmdjMU

[@adrianogil]

Dude you have an video for Resident Evil Village hdr settings? I can’t find use search on your channel… and I try all u talk and the game it’s a mess…

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Gaming tech made a video about it and said the hdr was flawless, that's why I didn't cover it. It supports the system level calibration and it had no black level raised. Why do you say it's a mess?

[@adrianogil]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 when hdr activate colors washed and no black just gray for all the parts. Fake colors…

[@CarkooNtheGoD]

So, we dont do ''-16'' on sekiro, elden ring, etc.?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Correct

[@CarkooNtheGoD]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thanks for everything,

[@corzabourne2101]

It seems that -5 black level is the same as the bt1886 gamma. I used your test pattern to clarify. I'm sure that games are originally mastered in bt1886 or gamma 2.4 originally and that is the reason why hdr gaming has raised blacks since hdr has a gamma of 2.2

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I believe the problem has to do with RGB levels but regardless of what the issue is we have the solution

[@Tomiply]

No, games are mastered in 2.2 gamma. It's film content that's mastered in BT.1886. When developers make games, they use standard monitors calibrated to RGB standards, which has 2.2 gamma as default. 2.2 gamma is standard for PC monitors, which all games are made on. I doubt the people who make textures, lighting, models and so on, all have $20K professional film monitors that get used for Hollywood films and whatnot.

[@corzabourne2101]

I wonder how much lowering the brightness to 46 affects the peak brightness ?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

None

[@edenboss3264]

Whats the best sir hlg hdr or hdr 10 for ps5 ?!?!

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

HDR10 when it's fixable

[@edenboss3264]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 best settings for ps5 work for me sir ?!???

[@kamil4439]

I need the best Settings for PC with rx580 ( HDMI 2.0 ) for Desktop, KZbin and a little Bit gaming. thanks

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

At 120Hz it will be on Limited range on the GPU due to HDMI 2.0, just lower the black level using Screen Brightness 46 on TV for all desktop usage excluding Native HDR content

[@kamil4439]

OK thx. Tone Mapping Off? And for native HDR i Go to hgig, full on TV & -16?

[@kamil4439]

And what I do with the HDR Slider in Windows 11? 0, 35 or 100? Thanks you

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

No, GPU is limited, TV has to be limited or Auto

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

That slider has no effect on Native HDR

[@xeortikus]

When I use the black pattern test on my C2 for some reason it gets "brighter" when I go fullscreen... Don't know why?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Use a different player or a different near black test pattern, you should double check with multiple test patterns

[@xeortikus]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Also for the C2 I need to set the black level to extremely low (35) which is weird. But then again in my personal opinion everything looks "better" so I might be wrong but I like it 😅

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Make sure you have RGB Full on GPU

[@xeortikus]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I have it on “full”. I forgot to mention that I prefer to reference the “8 blocks” method rather than the “limited” method since the colours are still washed out if I calibrate based on limited

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

The 8 blocks is double limited and that's only for the SDR HDR trick

[@lemmykilmister6792]

Vrr on lifted the blacks a lot. I play without vrr.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

What display are you using? On the C1 VRR doesn't affect the black level

[@lemmykilmister6792]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Lg C2. The Vrr Gamma flickering Problem exists since 4 years indtandly on every TV. It lifted All blacks up a little bit.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

VRR flickering isn't a problem, watch this video I made about it kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4C3iZZ7ethsfrM

[@TehAbdullah]

What's your opinion on qled?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

For HDR?

[@TehAbdullah]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 No how much does it fare up against plasma is it a worthy contender?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

The Plasma is self emissive, has better contrast and 4 times the motion clarity at 60Hz. The LCD is much brighter and has a higher static resolution with other Smart features

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Plasmas are also very fragile with very high risk of burning and consume a lot more power producing a lot of heat and even some noise

[@vivisimonvi]

I have a top end q900r QLED and c9 that I both use regularly. Both TV's from 2019. There is no saving the QLED when it comes to PC HDR content. It's embarrassingly not even close. I've looked at every setting under the sun and Samsung simply hates user fine tuning on this thing. Don't think I've ever found any hidden menu on that note.

[@jstarproductions7335]

Wait, so do you have to do this for every game?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

To get the HDR settings right, you need to know if the game supports the system level calibration or set the sliders for HGIG, otherwise figure out the Maxcll of the Game and set Tone mapping OFF Mastering Peak Maxcll=game Maxcll. The other thing is to check the black level and make sure it's not raised and it's washing out the colors, if that's the case, just lower it accordingly

[@jstarproductions7335]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Brilliant work, thanks for all your effort, earned a sub from me! Is there a setting that just makes everything look "Ok" would that be tone mapping?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

If you want set and forget settings on the PC use this kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHO0n42YjbmdjMU

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

If you're on the PS5 use this kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqLMan6rmZyEeac

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Otherwise force HLG over SDR tone mapping OFF

[@1Rot]

man, didnt know i have to go full autism mode just to get best result out of my 1200$ monitor xD

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

It took me a lot to figure this out, and I got help from my own subscribers, I couldn’t have found it on my own

[@zyklon3240]

Do you use PC Mode on your TV?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Not always, to use motion Interpolation I use Console Mode.

[@zyklon3240]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 when you play on console, wich Mode you use? PC or Gaming Console?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I don't have a console

[@zyklon3240]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 i cant use TruMotion in Console Mode 🤔

[@mudja9]

what are the best settings for my LG Oled C1 55" with a PS5?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Color Gamut Auto, Color Depth 55, warm 50, HGIG for games without black level raised supporting the system level calibration or if the game has sliders use 800nits

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Almost everything I showed in the video applies for PS5 and Xbox

[@mudja9]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 thanks

[@garyvojtek1907]

Why is auto color gamut preferred over Native? One more, the - 16 FTDA or brightness 46 settings are both of those with black level set to "full" not "limited"? I have a LG C1 also. Thanks in advance.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Full on GPU and TV

[@edenboss3264]

Bro max brightnes pixel burn the TV ?!??

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Don't worry about it

[@cjcaton19]

what is the code to get to the secrete menu?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Step on Select mode and press quickly 1113111

[@ahmedjabal540]

I am use 3000 nit ps5 looks fantastique with hgig

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

HGIG means no tone mapping, setting Mastering Peak MaxCLL to any value would have no effect unless you use DTM or Tone mapping OFF

[@ahmedjabal540]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 how man nit i use for ps5 tone mapping off ??

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

It depends on the game, if the game MaxCLL is 10000 and it doesn't have sliders then use Tone mapping OFF Mastering Peak MaxCLL 10000

[@jeffersonrodriguez8008]

I just got a lg c2 and play on Xbox, what settings should I do

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Color Gamut Auto, Color Depth 55, warm 50, HGIG for games without black level raised supporting the system level calibration or if the game has sliders use 800nits

[@jeffersonrodriguez8008]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 okay I just got it today btw, so do I turn off or on hdr in the Xbox?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

On

[@jesmith2086]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 What do we put for the settings here in the secret menu? Do you also leave brightness at 50 and fine tune in the game optimization menu to -16 for the blacks? Also just curious have you played any games in Dolby Vision with the Xbox Series X?

[@ahmedjabal540]

This settings works for ps5 ??

[@Martin_Rsh]

I have no pc and i can't check on mw2 (nits)

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

MW2 HDR is flawless on the PC and it should be the same in the console, just set the sliders and use HGIG kzbin.info/www/bejne/poatg5yll7R5r5I Do you like how it looks or do you have a problem with it?

[@yeshuayahushua4338]

I feel just Sooo stupid... Because it Lost me on the road, I don't remember my name, I m all confused. But Quantum TV says HDR is just a marketing gimmick

[@Jackolantern298]

Does this work for lg cx???

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Yes

[@Jackolantern298]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 thanks. Do you have the best setup for the CX?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

It's the same

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Some names are different like calling Low or High to Limited and Full but the settings are the same

[@Peretosh]

Nah i give up on playing pc games in hdr because this calibrations in every single game is not worth it.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

If you want one set and forget setting use this kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHO0n42YjbmdjMU

[@ahmedjabal540]

Bro this settings works for ps5 ???

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Yes, this is how it works in general, even for movies

[@ahmedjabal540]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 sir please you Can give me best best brighter settings for ps5 please prof

[@LoveMeBack]

HLG is dead…. Still using it.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I have an HLG update video coming

[@Zorastegard]

Yes, A Plague Tale is also sh...

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

These are my recommendations for Plague Tale Requiem kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHyag4N7q5mSqbc

[@magic-86]

I have the c1 what's a good setting for warzone 2.0 ?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/poatg5yll7R5r5I