How I rebuilt an 18 year old Orion HCCA subwoofer - Tech Stuff Tuesday

[@Bassotronics]

That’s one sexy looking red and black sub! Great job sir! 👍🏻😎👍🏻

[@N8SAY]

Orion's were awesome. I worked with the designer of the black amps at Eclipse. At Good Guys we put together a ton of systems with the red amps and subs before this series. They were always unreal sounding. Those were fun times.

[@N8SAY]

@JD Hamlin Good Guys is a small world. We probably know a lot of the same people.

[@christopherparis6841]

Hcca was is n will be king far as I see in the market.....

[@maincharacter2677]

Keep these kind of videos coming please, it is very informative and interesting.

[@joegama57]

This was the best video of how to rebuild a sub hands down bad ass, clean and quality work man thank you guys so much! You guys shared really good knowledge and know how and we're very descriptive down to every detail. Just know we Bassheads out there appreciate this very much!

[@ryanduerr6875]

I absolutely love all of your tech stuff Tuesday videos by the way. I watch them all. Thumbs up and positive comments every time. One day I'd like to hear an EMF sub in person!!!! Yayuh!!!

[@wesw9586]

Where are you located? I imagine somebody could make that happen for ya.

[@ryanduerr6875]

@@wesw9586 San Antonio , Tx

[@adaboy4z]

Sweet, I see a new challenge in my life, a subwoofer rebuild!! Thanks man!

[@lordsagat2503]

Man i see blown or damaged subs for cheap all the time. I think i can do this. Thanks EMF!

[@TheeElectricBill]

Sean you are the man! EMF Audio for the win! Appreciate the professional informative videos! The 160 mil deandener I ordered did wonders!

[@russellborrego1689]

This is the coolest video I've seen in a while. Competed against a few HCCA owners back in the '99 dBdrag season in Extreme 1-2 with Kove Armageddons. Looked like virtually the same subwoofers and performed nearly identically. This was a great trip down memory lane, thank you!

[@EMFAudio]

I believe they were both TC9 based subs, I don't know specifics on the rest as I didn't think I'd be quizzed on it 20 years later. I did do several installs with Armageddons though.

[@russellborrego1689]

@@EMFAudio... I'm sorry, wasn't trying to come off like I was quizzing you. Was just repeating an observation from way back. Great video, and thanks for replying!

[@stephensellers2453]

I love the way you made a kicker L7 square sub into a round sub. If anyone hasn't watched that they need to

[@ilfaraone91]

This is so satisfying to watch.

[@1-Six-dee]

I really enjoyed this video man, especially this classic old school sub

[@johnhornbeak5735]

I really appreciate your knowledge and willingness to educate . Thanks .

[@MrWymie]

Really enjoy your videos and the instructions on rebuilding speakers . I had a car audio business back in the early 90s to 2000s . I have some orion & Earthquake subs I am going to rebuild thanks to your nice tuturals . Thanks and keep up the good work !!!!

[@jasonwagner8177]

I have 2 HCCA 15’s. Both blown from use but still have them. Wish they would boom again!

[@EMFAudio]

I could likely rebuild them.

[@jasonwagner8177]

EMF Audio what’s the potential cost on that? It would probably cost more to ship them.

[@EMFAudio]

@@jasonwagner8177 $225 per sub, before shipping.

[@djmatkins3005]

Great job! I’ve been in car audio since the late 90’s rebuilding Amps and subs. I really enjoy the show! I’ll have to send you my old atomic collection to rebuild. 2-APXX 3” coil 15 856’s 80lbs. 2- 22 year old 2 1/2” coil 400w 10s. 3- 2 1/2” coil 600w quantum 10’s. 1 Apocalypse SPL 2 1/2” 10. New EMF baskets for all and a recharge!

[@EMFAudio]

That's a big shipping bill.

[@edgarcnajera8161]

I have a Rockford Fosgate T212d2 and Rockford discontinued them years ago and I want to repair it because I love that sub!! Best sub I've owned.

[@bpintogsxr1000]

Man….Orion. Takes me back.

[@Thezuule1]

These subs are still beast after all these years.

[@chriscamp5190]

Theyres not many that can hang with em they have some deep quality bass

[@royworthington3781]

Great sub to rebuild. Do you have any videos that show complete rebuilds from the motor up?

[@wesw9586]

If you rebuild any other vintage or rare stuff, I'd love to see it. I doubt I'm the only one who would too.

[@EMFAudio]

I do them as I come across them.

[@wesw9586]

@@EMFAudio totally understandable. Think you could salvage the cone and put new coils and soft parts on an Eclipse Titanium if I sent it and paid for all the goodies? The other people who do speaker repair don't wanna try it and it is kind of badass/legendary.

[@EMFAudio]

@@wesw9586 there is a reason they don't want to, the same reason I wouldn't.

[@wesw9586]

@@EMFAudio also fair and totally understandable. Can't blame me for tryin' though. Sucks that saving the cone is so difficult when the cone is most of what made the sub special. Anybody wanna buy a badass ferrite motor with a 10" Ti basket? Lol

[@llegacy1870]

Man oh man I wanted one of these bad boys back in the day.

[@ashishgulati3106]

Hi plzz let us know which glue u used and of which company tu paste voice coil and cone and spider...neck glue

[@chriscamp5190]

I have that same sub but mine is a 10 and the dust cap has the actual HCCA logo below the Orion logo and it still slaps hard!

[@EMFAudio]

You have the first version of it, which I have in a 12 I bought new.

[@ericatyler3787]

mann i love the oldschool hcca subs

[@solomongainey838]

Great video! Keep vids like this coming! Just for curiosity's sake a video like this but explaining what glue & whats different about them, and other details in depth would be awesome!!

[@EMFAudio]

That would be a short video, especially because I primarily use 2 adhesives LOL

[@russellborrego1689]

@@EMFAudio, we saw the E6000... The other was CA glue, yes?

[@EMFAudio]

@@russellborrego1689 The stuff in the bottle is CA, yes.

[@russellborrego1689]

@@EMFAudio, sweet. Thanks! If you ever get in a pinch for some reason, isopropyl alcohol works great as an accelerator.

[@legendsofcaraudiobradnewso8424]

I just sold 4 15's last weekend. Awesome video bro

[@chrismattox5430]

Great video. I love these sub building videos. Just awesome and very informative. Thank you. Keep the build videos comming please!!! Lol.

[@codythomas1768]

I’d love to get atleast two of my old Treo SSX’s reconed with some new fresh softies. I can guarantee your viewers would love to see that

[@EMFAudio]

Send them on, I can do it.

[@4ortnite20]

I have 2 of these not blown YET but I do and will reconsider them if they ever do I'll reuse original dust cap and all try to keep them as original as possible

[@evanfield580]

Old school upgrade,love the video, I want to fix my orion xtr subs from 1995.

[@EMFAudio]

It may be possible.

[@jimnicholson4509]

Thanks for such an interesting video, just a question have you ever encountered a vintage speaker from the 1930s known as the Goodmans twin cone 12 inch 15 watt, 15 ohm one and a half inch voice coil bass response loud speaker my dad had one installed in a large cabinet that was lined on the inside with underfelt and it was connected with two chassis one a pre amplifier and the other for radio use and connected to a record changer, both the chassis were of the glass vacuum tube variety, but boy that speaker was so gutsy in its bass response and overall sound. Until one day my brother foolishly the loudspeaker to the wrong output of the amplifier and blew the crap out of the speaker and of course all the copper wire on the voice coil untravelled as it was acting as a fuse, a big loud " bang" and a cloud of dust. I was just wondering if you have ever re- coned one of these?.

[@jjohnson1476]

Holy clamps Batman!! Great job!

[@ambu84eramirez3]

Where can I find the cones and suspension spider?

[@1-Six-dee]

I would like to see if these dual tinsel leads and huge gauge really. Matter, since they r connected to such small. Wire on the coil itself

[@EMFAudio]

This still has single, just larger. There is a difference at a point. But, consider this: EVERY coil uses small wire, even the ones rated for 6,000 watts.

[@1-Six-dee]

@@EMFAudio I would like to see it tested for the giant dual and some times triple sewn or whatever leads to a single one Idk how they can benefit from having such a large wire dump into such a small one

[@EMFAudio]

@@1-Six-dee That is all subject to the power and impedance, especially over time. The same way that clipping can explode a lead, excessive current can too.

[@luistavares3666]

I Can't Find The Coil Specs To Rebuild a PaiR

[@richardcurtis3256]

Where did you find this recone for this sub I've been everywhere looking for one that will work or ome cone I've looked I mean really looked pls let me know thank you and I like what you do and how you show us what to do with the subs

[@milinkolinki]

I need a recone kit for the year 2001 15" hcca

[@2is_BUGZEE]

Hey fam i have a 15” hcca competition tc9 as well would you be able to make me a recone kit like this as well?

[@8bit-meiko]

q: how do you clean possible debris (like burnt voice coil winding, dust & metal scraps) in the voice coil area when reconing ?

[@8bit-meiko]

also, +1 sub

[@EMFAudio]

High pressure air does pretty well but that doesn't always get windings out from the bottom. In that case a pick tool down in the gap to dig it out is necessary.

[@umakemerandy3669]

I'd love to rebuild 2 old rockford hx2 12". Those were my first 2 subs that actually were pretty loud. Classic.

[@hispls]

Springfield Speaker Repair should have either old stock OEM parts or new stuff to fit. Expect to pay 80$ a pop or more for parts plus shipping. Hx2 subs stand the test of time well though and are still solid performers in the 800-1000w power range.

[@kyleloosemore3702]

How much to rebuild my 2000 Orion 10 2ohm? It literally just toasted yesterday. The vc siezed up on me.

[@walterhicksiii3525]

Wow, ive got 2-12" original Ground Zero subs with the same basket but bigger magnets. I want to beef up the "gause", leads, spiders ( are shot, brittle) and change the impedance to dual 4's. How do i ship them to you guys to "perfect" them!?

[@EMFAudio]

The only way to increase gauss is to re-magnetize them, and that's assuming they aren't fully magnetized already. The rest may be doable but can't promise anything till one is torn down and measured. You can contact us on Facebook or our website www.emfcaraudio.com

[@ricardojuarez291]

I can't find voice coils for my Orion h2 10.4 do you sell 2.97 voice coils?? And spiders with leads and cone with extra large roll for 10" sub..

[@jorgem50]

Can some help. Would this single 1200rms sub sound as hard and loud as two 10" Alpine Type S? Alpines are in a sound ordinance ported box from crutchfield

[@EMFAudio]

There are way too many factors to predict that. Additionally, this sub hasn't been sold for about 17 years and how it is now isn't exactly how it came from the factory, it's a little better.

[@xDaReDeViLx-lz5db]

what size is that coil im bout to do mine i have the same sub

[@Macho09Marian]

Ok now I remember those we just wasnt into subwoofer building back then we just bought subs and bang em.I had the silver Orion HCCA 2400 said competition right on it.But that frame and basket is superb that sub gonna hit good find Eth👍💰💪.

[@bassfear_9952]

I actually were making under spider vents with a drill back in the day Just block off the gap make vents

[@EMFAudio]

Those vents are for two different things.

[@bassfear_9952]

@@EMFAudio vents are mainly for cooling the coil

[@chrisbobbitt7544]

I didn't see many recone kits on the site. I saw 2 but no images. I have this same speaker. Unfortunately someone reconed it incorrectly. He didn't use a threaded spider and now the wires slap. tomorrow morning what cone and voice coil do I need to get for the specific sub

[@EMFAudio]

We don't sell recones for random stuff, only our own. The ones we have listed on the website are already made. Other recones are built to order. The parts used for things like this aren't always stock parts, we have to special order them and don't keep an inventory of what parts were used.

[@blackbird1234100]

How do you figure out what parts you need? Like size wise? I have some old school pioneers from the 90s i really want to rebuild, they were my first subs and i recently blew them. I have some nice skars now, but i want to rebuild them, because they have so many good memories attatched

[@EMFAudio]

The most simple answer, measuring everything. There are some things to know from experience though, like to determine the appropriate spider stiffness and how a specific coil will act.

[@ascaniboy]

I would like to see the new thiele small parameters. Maybe do a build increasing RMS and lowering Fs if possible...

[@EMFAudio]

That would require breaking it in and further testing. Increasing power rating would come in either thermal or mechanical. Thermal won't happen without changing the basket as the coil is already a 500 degree coil (I'm assuming the original was too, may or may not be) and mechanical would just be a tighter suspension which would raise Fs. You could add mass to lower the Fs back but then you're making it less efficient and raising the Qts.

[@ryanduerr6875]

I need help locating surrounds for a pair of Mmats Procast 10" ..... Can anyone steer me in the right direction???? I have tried Springfield speaker and fixmyspeaker with no luck.

[@chrismattox5430]

Try lords of bass.com they have alot also.

[@joshhanson6777]

I second that

[@TimmyDfromtheD]

This might be dumb, but did you try contacting MMats? I believe they're still in business

[@ryanduerr6875]

@@TimmyDfromtheD I have not tried them....

[@ryanduerr6875]

Lord of bass said no go....

[@jackiebaer1654]

what kind of glue are u using ?

[@wackzirth88]

Can i get a recone kit for one of these?

[@sosabilly535]

Could u do a recone video on mmatts p3 using different recone kit basically like u did on this video??🤔🤔

[@EMFAudio]

Like I said in the video, I couldn't say without having it in front of me.

[@418lightning8]

So are you making any more emf subs

[@EMFAudio]

We have some things planned.

[@zacparker9348]

What's the voice coil size I need to order

[@keithfaver7178]

I used to have 2 of them back in the day but baby mom left car unlocked n they got stolen where did u find that I loved those speakers

[@EMFAudio]

Two of them were sent to us to recone them. I actually have the 1st gen 12" still I bought brand new in 2000.

[@schons77iceman]

Awesome video very informative and well explained! A suggestion maybe would be to also add a top camera view so we can see exactly what your doing inside the cone and on angles where we cant see. Anyways great video I've recommended emf audio to a ton of people... 👍

[@EMFAudio]

I thought about that last night after I installed some new editing software that makes doing that easier with video syncing.

[@karl6823]

I love this please keep this content coming!!

[@PlatinumEagleStudios]

This video was uploaded on my birthday. I am now 24 years old

[@TristanSpeno]

Happy birthday!

[@PlatinumEagleStudios]

Tristan Speno thank you very much 😊😊

[@TristanSpeno]

No problem!

[@joshhanson6777]

makes a nice clean cut as long as you hold your hand straight and follow the line! lol! nice vide

[@lisacampos3725]

How much would you charge for this i have the exact same one

[@stephensellers2453]

Do you rebuild subs for people. If so I have a 15' Orion 4 ohm 2400 watt I need to get rebuilt.

[@lucastheriault2787]

I have the HCCA152 I hate it noticed screws rattling in the surround ring went to tighten them all stripped out magnet split on me first winter voice coil locked up because it shifted and after spending almost $500 on the sub they wanted me to pay shipping to a service center where it probably would have been denied repair..

[@EMFAudio]

Paying shipping for a warranty claim is normal for literally any product in any industry. I do agree it would probably be denied for repair under warranty, or maybe even at all.

[@lucastheriault2787]

@@EMFAudio I live in northern Maine and it gets cold I had one other sub that did the same thing in cold weather 15" Alpine type R magnet split got in one day no bass. Not sure why it happens maybe small air pockets in the magnet?? But never happened on any other subs I've had mostly 12s. If I was in the position to warranty the sub or not I probably wouldn't have, shit happens.

[@EMFAudio]

@@lucastheriault2787 I can only speculate why it would happen but I bet it has to do with using thicker slugs.

[@Jomama1993]

I have a jl audio 10w3v3-4 can you do a complete rebuild and how would i send it to you

[@EMFAudio]

I may be able to, never tried one of those. You can ship it to us, area code 29303 if you want to get shipping quotes.

[@mikeskoczylas5995]

What did it cost to rebuild

[@Nickword1]

Now this is the type of videos i love! lol

[@dinepridengb9188]

You do rebuild kits. Looking for a Soundstream XXX 15 recone kit at dual 2 ohms

[@EMFAudio]

You'd have to send the sub to us.

[@dinepridengb9188]

How long would the repair take if I was to send it in . what's the average wait

[@EMFAudio]

@@dinepridengb9188 Could be a few days, could be a few weeks. It depends what's going on here and if parts have to be special ordered.

[@JuanGarcia-nw1ck]

Awesome awesome video! What would you recommend rebuilding old school (ThePunch) 12’ Fosgate subs. With the inverted dust cap. Would like to get as close as I can on them looking vintage.

[@EMFAudio]

I couldn't simply recommend parts, things like this are a case by case basis and it requires measurement and using resources to find the right things.

[@Soulgasm08]

Great video. If you miss some of the glue overage on the edges, what do you use to remove it?

[@EMFAudio]

On the edges of what?

[@Soulgasm08]

EMF Audio if it dried on the spider landing or surround landing?

[@milanraseta8098]

Question... What would you compare old school 1996 (shaft center)15" cerwin stroker to whats available now a days, quality. I have a couple need reconing wondering if its worth it... other than wow appeal.. THANKS

[@EMFAudio]

"quality" is vague and I'm not so sure you meant what it says. Correct me if I'm wrong but did you really mean what is comparable in sound and performance?

[@milanraseta8098]

lol... Yes, I have been out of the game for a long time, I second guess what was to what is now... They always say not built as it was years ago... And what would you consider a subwoofer now a days to that stroker. I know its sad that I ask, just technology has changed maybe the process of woofer making too... lol... I'm an old school guy, just whats on market now for pricing is crazy cheap. Amplifiers, decks so on... Just lay into me.. I can take it!!!

[@EMFAudio]

@@milanraseta8098 The Stroker was based on a PA design, and that's where you'd find something like that now. There isn't anything designed that way in car audio, for obvious reasons. I'm going to be doing a video with old equipment and new equipment in the same install to bust balls on the whole "older was better" thing.

[@milanraseta8098]

LMFAO... I will keep watching your posts.. lol.. Thanks. Its been years, I get the logic now

[@hookhousebeatz]

I always wanted the first gen HCCA😖

[@billystorms24]

I have one for sale

[@hookhousebeatz]

@@billystorms24 where are you located

[@BucksSuperStereoWorld]

So, I've owned Orion Cobalt 10s (which I very much loved), Orion HCCA amps, but I honestly never knew that they built HCCA subs, or at least never seen any.

[@EMFAudio]

They've had HCCA subs for literally 20 years. They've looked quite different over the years.

[@EcSsAwS]

I have a set of 12" first generation kicker free air subs. Could you maybe help me ?

[@EMFAudio]

Maybe, I never know till I have my hands on it.

[@johnalenwork53]

AWESOME VIDEO AS ALWAYS BROTHER BASSHEAD!!!

[@lazerlinec1770]

How long for the e6000 to dry before you think it’s ready for movement/vibration?

[@EMFAudio]

90 minutes I feel good about it not being able to be moved but I wouldn't put it under pressure like in a box for several hours. The tube itself says 8 hours I think to be fully cured.

[@ginoavila2085]

I like it alot how much is a set like this?$

[@scottunderwood7204]

Can a hcca dust cap be replaced without doing a recone

[@EMFAudio]

Yes, a dustcap can often be removed and put back on. The way I put them on with our dustcaps, not so much. It depends how much contact area there is.

[@scottunderwood7204]

I have a hcca 12 with a cracked dust cap I was wondering if it was repairable without recone so thank u for answering my question

[@TimmyDfromtheD]

Love the video, but quick question. Why does your dustcap weight say sundown audio???

[@EMFAudio]

Sundown had them made for internal use, I got some from them.

[@bobdodge3171]

Have 2 mtx 7000. The old school pulp/black dust cap id like to get rebuilt

[@EMFAudio]

It may be possible to rebuild it.

[@bobdodge3171]

Or i dont see why i couldnt... Its 2.5" coil.. Id have all the parts to measure.. Still a rough estimate would be cool

[@EMFAudio]

You don't see why you couldn't till you measure it. Just because it's a 2.5" coil doesn't mean all 2.5" coils fit. If that was the case, there would only be 1 coil. Cone body being the right size is an issue too. Pretty much anything I recone that isn't ours will be no less than $200 before shipping costs.

[@bobdodge3171]

@@EMFAudio ok cool thank you. 400 for the set. Ill have to see if i can work that into my budget thank you.

[@EMFAudio]

@@bobdodge3171 Notice I said no less, it could be more.

[@ShaunStevensDSM]

I need an original hcca 10 rebuilt.

[@EMFAudio]

I can do it.

[@ModMotorMayhem]

Is that BA type flux you were using?

[@peterb7399]

Love the video,keep it up.can you work on video on port ratio for both daily and hi output ?

[@EMFAudio]

Optimal port area is way more complicated than a ratio.

[@MoparStephen]

Great work as always!

[@deluth4638]

12:30 Here's where I melt a hole in the surround and have to start over.

[@djthanasi]

Do you know if a shallow mount Alpine SWR-T12 sub can be re-coned? I called Alpine and they were no help. If yes, could you re-cone it?

[@EMFAudio]

Based on what I know about them, you have to use their parts.

[@RWL2012]

@@EMFAudio which they don't supply...? having this problem with my SWR-1022D, it only has a small hole in the surround though so what would you suggest...?

[@EMFAudio]

@@RWL2012 Is it complete hole or just broken where you can connect it back?

[@jr1001jr]

hey EMF, great video bro... Im a huge fan of Old School Orion. Quick question, after you rebuild a sub like this, how do you figure the specs or t/s parameters of it? model it's performance in software for enclosure planning on that re-cone/re-build? Thanks for all of the great info & content... keep the great tutorials coming.

[@EMFAudio]

I measure the specs using equipment that does it. Modeling software is not accurate, I did an entire video on it.

[@jr1001jr]

@@EMFAudio I saw that video, gave it a thumbs up, and saved it (so that I could share the education with others)... I just didn't know how or if you could get specs after rebuilding a damaged sub. Loved the video. Keep up the fantastic work. 👍👍

[@justinfield5267]

Love this sub,great video

[@amontecarter3534]

I have two HCCA old school 15s I need rebuilt

[@EMFAudio]

We can do it.

[@jonanderson4474]

With my luck I'd rub the surround with the soldering iron.

[@Thezuule1]

Yes but with your brain knowing that risk ahead of time you would likely practice solder a bunch of stuff first before you got started and you would do just fine. I believe in you Jon! YOU CAN DOOOO EEEET!

[@74midwestbass74]

VERY NICE VID & custom work!!!👍👍

[@themonkster333]

Im still bumping mine. and my cap is cracked as well.

[@mrwhite9830]

Ayyye. Orion HCCA party over here xD I have the first gen shown here; dual 2ohm 12'' Orion HCCA

[@JosePerez-ki5zv]

Were can i buy my speaker parts??

[@EMFAudio]

I source parts from different places depending on what I need, but available to the public you might look at thelordofbass.com

[@JosePerez-ki5zv]

@@EMFAudio i have 2 skar 8s vvx3 but the coil is hard to find. Can i dm you?

[@DibeezyTheGifted]

Dope... Looks like an hcca and a Sundown SA had a baby lol

[@williamleebradfordjr.737]

First sub I attempted to recone was a diaster the spider came apart clamps are soooooo important bro

[@Thezuule1]

14:20 It's like a bass flower.

[@mikemaahs638]

Good stuff 👍 . Keep them coming.

[@boominc0420]

Keep up the good work bud!

[@Hertzsogood219]

Another awesome video. I especially like the nostalgia

[@mosessalazar7818]

I would love to purchase your Orion Subs

[@EMFAudio]

A customer sent us his subs to recone. The only time we recone things that aren't ours, they're spoken for.