I Went INSANE Making a Homebrew Chapter Master

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

Chapter Master John Raven

[@aluorine]

John "Screaming" Raven

[@strawberrypuddin8919]

Vampire spotted!

[@Naxthural]

I prefer my Emperor of Mankind model: Jimmy Space.

[@darkmaster9245]

Raven master John Chapter

[@MRARSON-v6t]

Chapter John raven master

[@DustyPazner]

Man really said "my final idea is that the chapter master is... alpharius" and expects me not to laugh.

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

I am Alpharius and not very bright

[@DustyPazner]

@@PaulIsBadAtStuff its a good idea

[@The-realAlpharius]

@@PaulIsBadAtStuffYes we are all Alpharius, except him, he’s Omegon.

[@MatthewNope]

You didn't mention Azrael. You have passed the test and kept the secrets well, brother.

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

Thanks. That was definitely intentional!

[@driedguide4236]

What is so funny about the Imperial Fists is that since their 6th edition supplement Sentinels of Terra they have had like 4 different Chapter Masters named, and each one has been some generic guy who was then killed and replaced by some other generic guy while Lysander has stayed as 1st captain the entire time

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

Always the bridesmaid but never the bride lmao

[@driedguide4236]

@@PaulIsBadAtStuff If the each bride is getting eaten by nids/shot in the face would you want to be the bride lol

[@driedguide4236]

@@PaulIsBadAtStuff would you want to be the bride if it meant getting nommed by the Nids or shot in the face. I personally convinced the Imperial Fists captains have a round of "not it" every time the chapter master bites it

[@TheLordofMetroids]

Defense Against The Dark Arts teacher, 40k version.

[@darthrevan4485]

Wait really? I’m curious how that functions since typically if a Chapter Master dies, the 1st captain is expected to fill the role

[@pyrofrog368]

Paul its been 6 years, the ravens aren't screaming you need help...

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

I definitely need help but for many reasons lmao

[@M.Stronkowski]

Pyrofrog do I know you from the cree8ball discord ?

[@pyrofrog368]

@@M.Stronkowski oh hey dude! Yeah I go there

[@librarybear3419]

I believe that in past editions, there were rules where you could pay few points to make your Captain model into a Chapter Master (and Librarian into a Chief Librarian, Castellan into a Master of Sanctity etc), but that didn't pass into the 10th edition. Propably one of the reasons why several Chapters were left without a Chapter Master model, you were free to kitbash your own and give him trait and relic as needed.

[@hiush1]

Yep, for a good chunk of 40k history (just out of the top of my head rogue trader, 4th and 7th editions had them) you had profiles for generic chapter masters. But after 8ed they removed the generic profile, but added a stratagem you could use to promote a captain to chapter master, so no more generic unit profiles for chapter masters but the stratagem sufficed. 10th did away with that stratagem and also didn't offer us generic chapter master profiles (maybe seeing it as unnecessary since they overlap with the captains). So now you either run one of the special character profiles and say it is a count as (I use Azrael profile since his armament is quite generic) or just pick a captain and give him a cool enhancement and live with it, not ideal but GW has been moving away from the "Your dudes" aspect of the hobby for a while.

[@mynty5812]

It's now just a thing for SM Crusade rules, 25 honor points

[@darthrevan4485]

@@mynty5812which is a huge pain to get that many honor points in just 3 games, and then the abilities really aren’t anything special

[@CuriousLumenwood]

My favourite part of 9th edition was the customization you could do. They literally had rules for making your own chapter. You could pick two options out of a list of chapter rules for your chapter to have. And one of the things you could do was pay a CP during the “muster your troops” section of a game to make one of your captains your chapter master. It was fucking awesome, and losing that is probably the main thing I hate about 10th edition. The game could be as smooth and easy to play as a dream (which it still isn’t) and I would still hate it for removing the homebrew aspect.

[@CaptainPoseidon282]

Thats a great rule i wish i started playing before to do it

[@KaziMazi]

GW not realesing Salamanders chapter master Tu'shan should be a criminal offense the guy is soo fckn cool

[@mr.potato2223]

hammer is the obvious choice, but there's a bit of art of him swinging a big motherfucking flaming greatsword at an ork and I need that

[@KaziMazi]

@@mr.potato2223 I prefer him with a hammer but they could make it an option. I personally envision him leading assault terminator thats why I prefer thunder hammer

[@crosslayment2542]

5:32 guilty edit: i deleted original comment before seeing the rest as well i'm so dumb

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

I saw that lmao. It made me laugh that someone fell into BOTH traps. Well done for owning up

[@Enzo_honey]

I don’t think id be strong enough to own up lol so respect

[@benbot0733]

I literally saw this comment as I was watching that part

[@skyleranderson3056]

Idea number 3, Alpharius is the screaming ravens chapter master

[@hubertbia4134]

The 3rd idea reminds of an enhancment for chaos space marine that is currently in game. In the Deceptors detachment you can give your normal Chaos lord the enhancment Falsehood, in which you put him in reserves and then during your reinforcement step you can choose a model from legionairies or chosen and replace them with the chaos lord. You could give your chapter master a simmiliar rule.

[@thenerfkid9228]

That is one of the most alpha legion things i've ever read

[@hubertbia4134]

@@thenerfkid9228 There is also a stratagem called Detonator, where if an enemy unit with Deadly demise is destroyed you can make so your opponnent doesnt roll for it and it automatically explodes, cause you planted already planted an explosive in it.

[@ChaoStarDust]

That last idea just sounds like a better idea for Alpha Legion character

[@TheTinyTyranid]

Crazy? Paul was crazy once. They locked him in a room, his own room, his own room with chaptermasters, and the lack of models for them made him crazy.

[@Alpha-zb8sp]

Crazy? Paul was crazy once.

[@JayShi-v6i]

They locked him in a room…

[@BaconGold790]

His own room…

[@random.mp4164]

His own room with chaptermasters,..

[@Mag_ladroth]

@@random.mp4164 And the lack of models for them made him crazy.

[@calthepal312]

I think praetors from horus heresy make perfect bases for custom chapter master models.

[@davidtrujillo1689]

I mean to be fair to Tu'shan, man's got a lot of lore behind, he's no No-name background character

[@adblue8955]

The real salamanders master is Three'shan

[@Jay_Maul]

The last idea is great, never say no to more kitbashing. But it might be a bit to random in a game (both for you and your opponent). The second idea is by far my favorite, has the Rex vibs and fits the Idea that your chapter master is a master of all forms of combat. If you really want the randomness and more kitbashing, roll a dice after the first model pops and on a 1 he's dead, 2-3 he is a regular foot slog brother (melee or sniper), 4-5 he is a jump unit in reserves and on a 6 either you pick..or for some more spice he becomes something else, like an assassin variant or daemon prince for a turn, or just gets a new suit that deep strikes with a 0cp rapid ingress. Also loved this video, more screaming ravens!!!! AAAHHHHHHH!!!CCCCCWWWWAAAA

[@Bellerophon3]

When he was introduced in 4th edition Kayvaan Shrike wasn’t a chapter master either. Captain of the 3rd company if I remember right. It’s honestly more weird they promoted him, but didn’t do the same for the other chapter characters introduced at the same time.

[@alecblackman14]

TBF it'd probably be suspicious if all of the chapter masters kept dying off in quick succession. They could probably get away with killing the Fists CM and replacing him with a new Lysander model, though, especially as we have new Primaris sized terminators.

[@israeldelarosa5461]

@@alecblackman14 Darnath Lysander was Captain of the 1st company and set to become Chapter Master, but because he was always vexed by this one particular Iron Warrior, he decided not to so that he could perfect himself instead. So Vorn Hagan, who was Captain of the 5th became Chapter Master instead. So Lysander can become Chapter Master once Honsou is dead… but seeing as Honsou is the Iron Warrior’s most important character I don’t see that ever happening.

[@l33tg4m3rl0lz]

Perhaps you could have a rule that when you charge a unit, that enemy unit has to take a Leadership test. A failed test means they Fight Last, as the cacophony of the Ravens' noisy assault weakens their resolve. In Age of Sigmar, the Treelord can do this on a d6 roll of 4+, so this way is a little more balanced. The more stalwart leaders can more easily pass the test, but weaker chaff units will be more likely to fail.

[@the_king_of_kings_3413]

For the dropping the Centurion armour idea, you can just do something similar to when you have a horse in the Middle Earth strategy game. There’s a chance after you do enough damage that you unseat the rider (I think) might work well lol!!! Honestly love this idea might try this… Also what did you use to make your vanguard vets?

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

The vanguard vets are assault intercessor bodies with some vanguard vets claws, some 3d printed claws, 3d printed jump packs and helmets. I think I have a video with links to the parts 👍

[@the_king_of_kings_3413]

@@PaulIsBadAtStuff cool, cheers ma dude!!

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

Canonically chapter masters rarely actually fight battles, because they have to lead and organise the chapter (there's exceptions such as the space wolves and black templars, who "lead from the front"). Thats why there's little lore on them and most aren't represented with models

[@totallyaspy]

For your idea about him getting out of the armor, you could do it like Hector for Imperial Knights that when he dies he can eject out of the armor. When out he could have Lone Operative and work like the Lieutenant from the Leviathan box set

[@AltoStratusX1]

I didnt write the comment but I did a little smile at the Tor Garadon, thought you'd do Iron Father Ferrios next then saw Korr'sorro and was like "oh shit hes doing the same rabbit hole I did in 9th". In 9th you could upgrade a captain with the Chapter Master keyword for some extra goodies and i remember trying to find the "official" chapter masters to make sure I was somewhat lore accurate and was like "wait wut".

[@TheDeadPoolfan]

My poor seth is going to legends

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

I know. The absolute timing on releasing a video right as one of those chapter masters goes to legends lmao

[@TheDeadPoolfan]

I paid 2x of the original price for the model ebay to get the actual model because it's OOP, and never got a chance to play my flesh tearers because in my infinite wisdom, wanted to have them fully painted as a 3000 point army. Then I proceeded to spend about 6 months of that last 12 months away from home for work or vacation, so you can assume how much Warhammer I didn't do

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

To be fair, if you're wanting to play just a friendly game I'm sure no one will mind you bringing Seth. He seems like a fun model

[@TheDeadPoolfan]

@PaulIsBadAtStuff oh yeah it's no issue with my group, no1 cares about proxies or legends. It's just weird that Kantor survived but Seth didn't

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

I reckon it's just because the Blood Angels get a supplement so they had the chance to yeet him. If Imperial Fists has a supplement, Kantor might be in danger.

[@Cruxxy21]

I would say Vulkan He’stan is a valid pick for salamanders leader, as he’s the most adventurous due to his quest to recover Vulkan’s relics. Tu’shan holds the chapter together so He’stan can quest.

[@goldjaw]

The First Chapter Master of the Sunrise Warriors, my personal Chapter based on Japanese Biker Gangs, stole a Custodes Jetbike and used it as his personal vehicle. They’re still mad about it. Since then, it has been the symbol of office for the Chapter Master. I use Ravenwing rules when I field him and proxy him as Sammael.

[@Jaded_Dragon_]

12:03 are you sure this isnt an Alpha Legion successor chapter?

[@Sorain1]

The idea of the Alpha legion trying to tell them that as some kind of scheme is delicious. (Bonus points if the resolution is vague enough it's not clear if it was a lie or they really are now rogue Alpha Legion gone Loyal.)

[@hmasterchaos8700]

I'm pretty sure, not enough marines claiming they are Alpharius

[@dodogamer2601]

2:47 Valrak is the true chapter Master

[@lionheartx-ray4135]

Tor Garadon the Captain for the 3rd Company.

[@TheGoblinGrotto]

Did you watch the video?

[@jw6337]

​@TheGoblinGrotto didn't edit their comment either tsk tsk

[@cleeiii357]

5:32

[@robbie_the_mastermind2176]

Here are a few playable chapter masters: Gabriel Seth, High Marshal Helbrecht, Kayvaan Shrike (you mentioned this guy in the video), Logan Grimnar, Marneus Calgar, Pedro Kantor, Azrael, Commander Dante, Asterion Moloc, Casan Sabius, Gabriel Angelos, Lugft Huron, and Tyberos the Red Wake.

[@jcollnorm]

Everyone always forgets my man Malakim Phoros, Lord of Ruin :’(

[@settratheimperishable7800]

I guess the true screaming ravens were the friends we made along the way

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

Last time i was this late, cpt Lysander was a sgt. (Thats actually true, in 3rd edition he started out as a sgt)

[@DragoonDante]

Tyberos, "The Red Wake", Reaper Lord of the Void, Chapter Master of the (in low gothic) Space Sharks still had a model till semi recently.

[@danielquintonvo]

As a big fan of the sons of Dorn, watching someone else go through the pain of figuring out that ridiculous Chapter Master scenario is incredibly gratifying! (Even if I was about to write a comment about it just before you accidentally fell down the rabbit hole, but come on, Tor Garadon is popular, and *right there*)

[@connorshaw-case6030]

absolutely love this. made my own word bearers succesors and just subbed in rules from other units. didnt think to make my own rules but this has made me think i may want to

[@richardsteele6685]

I love how your third chapter master is a spot on description of Alpherius from Alpha legion, without you knowing who that is :) I also find your excitement when it comes to making up story and kitbashing to be great. They're your toys, you should play with them however you want.

[@Schwalbe1728]

Another angle on that roll idea: Before rolling which one of the 3 buffs from detachment you get, you can nominate one of the three to be ignored - you are allowed to reroll if it's the buff you explicitely say you DONT want. This keeps the random nature of the detachment, but chapter master allows for limiting the variance of that randomness.

[@SeanCrosser]

I deleted my "Imperial Fists no chapter master" comment because i thought I was wrong when you brought up Tor Garadon I am not the same

[@tyrxian6452]

I'm usually not that big into homebrew but I'd genuinely be excited to see more around this chapter

[@alexstengel8066]

Idea 1: ok thats cool Idea 2: ok nice Idea 3: I am Alpharius I think a cool idea to consider (mainly cool because I am lookinh at doing it lol) is have a Dreadnought as the chapter master, he could be an ancient dread from however far back and be about on par points wise as Girlyman or The Lion. Give him lone op when near allies like them too

[@RSBurgener]

I admire your creativity. I have been considering a Chapter Master datasheet for my BA chapter, The Mournful Lords. I WAS going to chop up Dante and turn him into another character, keeping the datasheet mostly intact. But right now, the Chapter Master is a captain with a fancy jumpack halo.

[@BluGoombo01]

I like the 3rd Idea for your chapter where the chapter master is just some guy that blends in because of how your chapter works! really unique but I can imagine a murder of crows screaming at me while drenching orks in flamer fire then fly away lol

[@gawkthimm6030]

I deep dive homebrew lore, but for a completely different reason, being the GM for roleplaying and fan-fic writing for my own enjoyment. So I approach it from an opportunity to tell stories. So I use all kinds of intricate historical references to planet names and cities to make it a cultural blend of surviving old-earth cultures, then take those and have it inspire home brew Guard regiments from the sub-sector, the Sororitas Convent etc. Likewise my homebrew Astartes Chapters are all made for; interestng characters, home world culture, interesting gene-seed flaw consequences. while stuff like "strategems" for tabletop play I never even look into much. And my guys armor paint schemes are often simplistic or derivative, because its not that important for narrative play or fiction writing.

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

That's really cool. I've always liked to homebrew and make stories, but my favourite thing in stuff like 40k and DnD is making fun mechanical stuff like items and boss battles or detachment rules. I find them really fun to create

[@blindjustice5695]

12:56 hey just a thought give him a force field with a 4+ invulnerable and on a 6 deal 1 mortal wound to the unit firing on the marine

[@marechal_joukov2375]

11:02 for the buff like Gulliman but instead of revive you go in jump pack mod on a +3

[@McFatson]

Love the homebrew lore videos. I'm sure whatever you end up with will make for fun rules and a kickass conversion. I kinda want my chapter master to lead Inceptors. Maybe have a BFG of a plasma rifle, and Power Feet to fight in melee. Why yes, I am mad Captain Badrukk went to legends thanks for asking.

[@tyrxian6452]

4:05 NGL with the Crimson Fists being what got me into 40K, I'm so glad to see there's at least one thing where they get remembered

[@BinaryArmorOnline]

You are literally inspiring my guy

[@GeraldTheFrogg]

‘modular frequency spicyblaster’ is my new favourite weapon name

[@Blazik9]

This was beautiful, I think the 2nd Chapter Master is probably my favorite, would love to just watch them jump out and back into combat for round 2.

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

Yeah I think the ideas, especially number 2, would be a fun spectacle but a pain to actually balance

[@moderndavinci6599]

Look to Canis Rex for "leave war suit rules", specifically Ser Hector. His whole gimmick is leaving his mech behind to do lone operative stuff.

[@goldjaw]

Idea 3 has an equivalent in the old Warhammer Fantasy Battles. Nasty Skulkers and Night Goblin Fanatics have rules where they are counted as normal units until you decide to trigger them, they pop out of the unit and start wrecking face. Imagine making a note of where the Chapter Master is, and when they get in engagement range, they pop out, you replace the unit with their proper model, and get Dev Wounds or Lethal Hits.

[@romangl9070]

Seeing the title I imagined you went insane trying to properly fit a top-hat on your kitbashed chapter master

[@why3095]

Option two is super cool and seems like it'd be a nightmare (fun) to build a model of

[@Dreadnoughtola678]

Huh, that second idea reminded me of how Canis Rex works with Ser Hekthur. Might be worth referencing if you went that route. (for rule wording, if nothing else) It's super cool seeing someone get really into their homebrew chapter!

[@gi5epi_579]

Older editions used to support this idea really well. In older eds. you could take the normal Captain and give him the Chapter Master upgrade which improved his stat line. Then you could kit him out in upgrades and relics to make them even more unique.

[@decodewalker2614]

You're not alone, I also confused Garadon with the Chapter master

[@krispykiwi7286]

To be fair, the current Chapter Master of the Imperial Fists, Vorn Hagan, has almost no lore behind him. He was the captain of the 5th company, only being mentioned a handful of times. He was chosen cuz Lysander refused his lore for character development reasons, and Vorn is just Dorn but typo'd, so he was close enough to the primarch to be chapter master.

[@CatCraine]

In a manner of speaking, Pedro Kantor and the Crimsons Fists are kind of a "founding chapter". They were present in Rogue Trader, some of the earliest artwork, and even made the front cover before 40K had really solidified. They also have a ton of novels and were my first collection, which now includes a kitbashed Primaris Pedro Kantor.

[@Meatus4514]

I know you don't do the lore but fun fact about terminator armour. The way to make it was lost and these things are so rare and so saught after that astartes will throw whatever they can to get that armour back. Even heretics have to kill whoever owns their own. So the idea of a chapter that blows up a set of it like a titan from Tianfall 2 just because, is comedy gold.

[@kingjonstarkgeryan8573]

Same, I really went insane with the Great Wolf of my Homebrew Space Wolves Successor chapter. Using a combo of 7th edition, Horus Heresy, and 10th edition rules (I am doing this with a dude in my gaming group and he has seen the rules I wrote). Great Wolf (Luis Firewolf) in cataphractii terminator armor M6 WS7 BS5 A8 T6 W7 I5 sv2+ 4++ pts 210. In addition, once per game he gives army wide re-roll of charges, +1 to str, and re-roll hits. He has a 3+ fnp against physic attacks and crits on 2+ against psychic characters. Gains 1cp when he kills an enemy character model or unit. Has fights first when the Saga of the Warrior Born is active. He rerolls failed invul saves due to his shield of Russ. His sword is str8, AP2 (which is equal to AP-4 in 8th onward), and damage 3; with lethal hits/Murderous Strike (instant death) on 6+, Precision, Reaping blow 1 (basically if you swarm him he gets an extra attack), and has precision. Along with some additional rules that are typical for Praetor type characters in HH. So, he could basically solo a Daemon Primarch and any horde if the dice gods are in my favor. Which in testing he never has. Though he did drop Mortarion to half of his wounds and left a Swarm Lord on its last wound. Though he has slain Farsight, Drazhar and Leltih Hesperax in single combat.

[@markbrand436]

Like idea 1, very fair, almost Captain-esque. Very much enjoy idea 2 but I would change it so that on death, on 2+ he becomes the jump pack captain with lone op. Love how idea 3 just undermines the need for a chapter master, could lean into thebit and have a faceless leader and a different captain becomes the face. Can see other chapters being confused asking who's in charge each time they meet and getting someone completely different. Very Alpharius. It might as well be one of your enhancements that gives that 2+ WS/BS and +3 Wounds as a badge of office. Speaking of Kitbashing, thought of making some Primaris loyalist Noise Marines for the ravens? Could go full Edgar Allen Poe and call the squad the Primaris Nevermores :D

[@KamenRiderGreed]

This was a great video Paul! I'll put my deeper thoughts for feeback on your Chapter Master's rules elsewhere. But youre right about the other Chapter Masters, I was aware and it drove me up the walls too. I wish we did have all the First Founding Chapter Masters as playable models, but, well. . . You know GW. They gave *Dark Angels* a named character on bike before they gave one to White Scars. And dont even get me started on my poor Salamanders.

[@billdefranza4927]

I too, thought Tor Garadon was the Imperial Fist Chapter Master. That model is totally frickin sweet!

[@richardbarden2602]

I did the same thing, when I was building a chapter master … I just made a captain as they seem to have alot more representation

[@WilhelmScreamer]

Of the proposed setups, the canis rex style struck me as the most interesting of the lot. And I spent the first half of the video being upset that Gabriel Angelos can't fit into tthe rules neatly anymore.

[@SeanCrosser]

I was thinking when you mentioned Centurion Chapter Master, that those are piloted by a guy already wearing full power armour. And hey, you bumped that up by giving him a jump pack on top of being a dual character! I was thinking just a standard captain. Bolter, power weapon, done.

[@SeanCrosser]

Maybe you could give him the either-or of exploding the Centurion suit to do damage, or popping smoke and allowing the attached unit to disengage and return with the Chapter Master now on foot.

[@pandavikingguy6193]

Ngl, that's a banger idea in the end there.

[@dracow35]

The 2nd chapter master idea reminds me of the older edition Tau one where a battlesuit guy can jump out after his battlesuit dies.

[@jamaneee]

that last idea is giving off big Alpharius energy.

[@shadowstep1375]

If you want to go for that idea that your opponent is confused with your chapter master I'd recommend looking at the old 8th edition alpha legion warlord traits. I think it was called "I am Alpharius" It basically read "If this warlord dies choose another character, that character becomes your warlord. Roll a new warlord trait." I really miss warlord traits.

[@piotrwilk1926]

I really like idea of character jumping out of suit. In Imperial Kinghts there is (at least there was, God know what GW did from the last time i checked) Canis Rex. He has somewhat similiar type of rule, when he is destroyed, the pilot of knight gets out and can be used. Even the box comes with additional figure to use in that circumstance. Very cool, and it makes your idea not so crazy! Please keep us updated on the matter, would love to see kitbashshed end result of any of the options!

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

I definitely think that is my favourite idea. I think having a Centurion character but not forcing you to bring centurions if you don't want (for cowards who want to use the detachment and not use centurions) and it's the most unique

[@KillerOrca]

Tor Garradon is, in fact, the Weakest Fist He is MERELY Captain of the Fourth(Third?) Company The Chapter Master would be TOO powerful on the tabletop

[@TheDeadPoolfan]

Gabriel seth has my favourite ability for a character: blast in melee

[@Frankacy40k]

Imperial Fists chapter master is none other than Chapter Master Valrak

[@DavisCentis]

Chapter Master 1 - Bad Wording is perfect, and is 100% what I do. :P . However, for some actual advice; let him lead either kind of Centurions. Yeah, it's better in the lore to lead Assault Centurions, but I think his abilities will just naturally pull people in that direction rather than needing to hard lock it. And make that Spicyblaster spicier! Maybe straight 6 shots on the wide profile, and just let the focused shot be torrent as well. Really powerful, but hey, there's just 1 of this guy, and at 200 points, it'll be okay to lean into him a bit. There's a lot of 200pt characters that are like "yeah, if this guy gets a good look at you, you're dead", so you're at a points level where lethality with shooting like this isn't a big thing. Chapter Master 2 - You're a madman. Closest thing I can think of to this is Sir Hekaton for Knights. Steal his wording for it to make it work. I don't think I like Phase 2 having a jump pack, because that's really clunky to have around. I DO love the idea of this model exploding out of the suit and into his opponents. So, for that reason, why not follow suit with how you had the strat of "jump out of vehicle and into combat" and let that happen here? Set up a more regular Captain dude within 3" of this model when this model dies. If you're worried about him dying to shooting right away, make it be like an Abberant or Feugan where they aren't set up until end of phase or something. Chapter Master 3 - I don't know; I think this is actually kind of boring. Alpha Legion just do this kind of thing better with a relic that let's you kill a model in a squad and upgrade it to being a Chaos Lord, and that one is more of a surprise. If letting people make their own cute models is the thing, then, well, that's what the generic Captains and Lieutenant models and all their different versions are for.

[@Tofukartoffel144]

I really dislike, that rules today dont endorse more narrative/ fun/ own storys. I loved 3. Edition Rules, unforgotten the CSM Codex: You could give your Chaos Lord special wargear and had to roll dices to get buffs/debuffs, so best case scenario: Your Chaos Lord became a demon prince, blessed by the gods or worst case scenario: you have failed the gods and your Lord became an useless Chaosbrute :D

[@Levi-23]

Watching Paul slowly (more like immeadiately) losing his sanity over space marine characters is f*cking hilarious Keep ranting Paul, you are killing your brain cells so we don't have to xD

[@HumanZombie99]

I really like the second idea and you should take a look at canis rex for inspiration on how to do the model in a model thing! I'd give the centurion mode infiltrate and scout 9" instead of deep strike (but keep deep strike on jump pack mode) to really hammer in the flavor, and maybe tone down the mortal wound bomb to 2-5 = d3 mortal, 6 = 3. For the jump pack version I'd simply give them +2 to charge rolls against the unit who destroyed their armor instead of the whole third dice thing.

[@Mr.Monocle64]

I am working on my own entire faction. It’s proving to be a challenge but it is also very fun.

[@johnnycashrules157]

My chapter master is based off of azrael but with frost blade rules and plasma pistol. A lot of his flavor comes from lore. I really like where you’re going with yours!!

[@offtankgaming1310]

Also, Tu’Shan is a badass who’s been ballin’ since before the Armageddon war - dude used to be represented by the Captain model but hasn’t gotten an official one since his inception in 3rd edition - meanwhile the Fists have gone through like six chapter masters per edition…

[@Malod1997]

I remember in 9th edition, you did can promote one captain into chapter master and you got special ability, where you did can give one of your units reroll hit rolls.

[@jakegoodrich6520]

I feel like the white scar chapter master, who is too injured to fight needs a dreadnought model. Or a stupid centaur dreadnought with a ATV or landspeeder legs

[@somerandomguy227]

I have a specific custodes in a unit that tanked a shot from nearly everything and refused to die. So I decided to upgrade them to a shield captain. My friends and I have a house rule that whenever they are attached to a unit, the units leadership goes down but 2, but the wounds go up by 1. To this day the only thing that has ever killed them is Makari of all models.

[@greaterpainter7996]

Back in 4th and 5th edition. Blood Angels, Black Templars, Space Wolves, and Dark Angels all got their own codex/ codex supplement, while everyone else didn't. In those codexes, they fleshed out a lot more lore about what made those chapters unique. The others were just bundled into the main Codex. I'm pretty sure Pedro Kantor and the Crimson Fists were a homebrew chapter from someone that worked at HQ back in the day, which is why he got a chapter master model (they already had lore made for him) But really, they should just write new lore for all the Captain characters saying the old Chapter Master gets killed and they become the new one

[@DaveMcMuffin]

"Who the fuck is Gregor Desian?!?!" - every imperial fists fan ever.

[@achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233]

It is I, Rogal Dorn.

[@maxbrooks5468]

If you don't do the idea of the Centurion suit getting destroyed and another marine hopping out of it then I will! I loved that idea a lot.

[@Rebelcommander6]

I will confess I was going to say that Brother Tor was not our Chapter Master when you first said it

[@jamieleadbetter7516]

laughs in space wolf we have 2 models of our chapter master and our original chapter master as a model that's still usable

[@domicci4460]

I like the last idea it's amazing

[@MedicTF2-lx8ne]

the last one is definetley the coolest and funniest

[@Bartsman123]

This video blew my mind

[@mcsteeze1197]

Seth lives on in our hearts, ill personally be using legends rules or just the index rules in my games at home. Very annoying that we lost our chapter master and only unique Fleshtearers character though

[@user-qt8eg9zt3e]

Chapter master of the Storm Banes, Daniel Anteaus. He is the holder of two relic bolt pistols wrath of the guard and judgments wrath, the second being a revolver bolt pistol. He is both a skilled marksman and can fight in melee with his master crafted power maul. He is relatively young as the last chapter master was gravely wounded when he was chosen to be the heir to the mantle of chapter master. Is usually calm, but when Tau gets thrown into the equation, it's just guns blazing. I use a modified captain in gravis armor for him.

[@tamsinm]

Given the revelations about how many chapter masters don't have models, I'm thinking that you could have the chapter master be a shadowy mysterious figure whose name is unknown and who never actually appears. Then have a bunch of kick-ass captains who actually get kitbashed models.

[@radaii1555]

Shame GW no longer sell my boy Pedro's model... Just waiting for the primaris update that will probably be a let down. :(

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

Don't look at what happened to Gabriel Seth 😨

[@radaii1555]

@@PaulIsBadAtStuff Pour one out for the homie, hopefully Pedro or other uniques dont fall to the same curse.

[@wannabee7704]

It would be cool if the captain in centurion armor gave the squad deep strike and that inceptors rule of 3inch away but no charge, could make them a dangerous drop/shock unit to force an army to chew through them or have to suffer the damage they will create.great video though I also never looked into who is not a chapter master. ~Chicago Sam~❤❤❤

[@Fisthammet]

My incan themed homebrew used blood angels rules; my chapter master was initially kinda based on Sarpadon from the soul drinkers, but I wanted a character Librarian Dreadnought instead. A giant biotechnological psychic spider abomination weilding a colossal Psychic hammer; shoulder mounted assault cannon, power claw and a storm bolter. Dude wasn't really meant to show his face for obvious reasons, but I made the model anyway.

[@demon1103]

I'm glad Space Wolves have not only a Chapter Master....but that Logan has that big model. Reasoning is my Hombrew Chapter (Molten Drakes: Salamander Successors/ Space Wolves proxy) can have not only a CM....but Imma make him CM Kor'gan Nen riding the armored dragon Valstrak.

[@supremefankai5480]

Been a while since I caught up with the tabletop rules but that is a shockingly small amount of canon chapter masters. You're totally right, there should be at least rules and models for every first founding chapter. That way, you can get a bar to measure homebrews against depending on which successors they are of, but GW doesn't do logic.....sigh....

[@gruntmastergames2626]

there used to be alot more chapter master stat blocks but you had to kit bash them or they were from forge worlds badab war range and the blood ravens gabriel angelos.

[@gruntmastergames2626]

you might like thew Concharadons and their chapter master.

[@gruntmastergames2626]

also idea 3 sounds like alpha legion