How Invincible Destroyed Marvel Forever

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[@I-am-a-rat1]

Do another video on china

[@jeramy9787]

This was stupid

[@jonathanjoestar_real]

Quality over quantity

[@animezsleepireviews8627]

I can see how you think so but they're rushing the series it's not like the comic and some fans are mad...

[@letmehandlethis69]

Wth is invincible

[@Khan-rz8qi]

Invincible actually respects its audience and treats them like adults, The MCU treats their audience like they are children. The MCU simply refuses to grow up.

[@Bankay89]

I hate the hand holding, spelling it out in case you didn't understand. Feels like they think we are stupid, pulls me right out of the movie.

[@SomeBody-pb7ht]

They made the evil white villain regard his Asian wife as "a pet." Maybe you just like racist political propaganda more than I do.

[@Ganggangbuzzbuzz]

The Title drops are proof

[@erenjeager9442]

We still have Deadpool 3, and Blade both are Rated R, if Disney doesn't change their mind.

[@Khan-rz8qi]

@@DavidJoe-tc1gn You just now made that up on your own. You know exactly what we’re talking about, yet you decided to push it with your disingenuousness.

[@anurag9240]

Amazon really scored some huge points here. Having both Invincible and The Boys under their streaming service was a worthy bet for them. They probably knew the mainstream superhero movies fatigue is going to be real.

[@erickmoya1401]

I dont get the fatigue argument. Is not that current The Marvels is just like Iron man, but ther has been too many Iron Mans. The quality changed.

[@Flitalidapouet]

Season two is a shit show tough. Having the hero become evil is getting on my nerves.

[@nicholasmarshall8430]

​@@FlitalidapouetMark is not becoming evil and Omni man is having a redemption arc.

[@ragingmcqueen]

did you not watch the video?

[@vijaz5559]

are you a defect? you can't even comprehend simple multiverse concept ain't cha?@@Flitalidapouet

[@Tedforsure]

*I won't lie, when i first found the show, i legit was about to leave and give up because it was boring BUT THEN the end of episode one just sold me on the WHOLE show*

[@user-df8ju7qr2j]

everyone bro... everyone. That end alone just grabbed you

[@rollinsolo1157]

Same lol

[@lucianomangroo]

Lol not me, coz I knew something was wrong

[@taylorlipinski4048]

For real. My friend was trying to get me (someone who doesn’t like superhero shows/movies) to watch it with him. The beginning I was kind of bored because it felt so generic. Then at the end, I was stunned and watched the entire show in one sitting

[@Theth3]

“Debbie, Omni-Man’s wife and Mark’s son” I’m not even mad that’s just funny 😭

[@fren8899]

he didn't say that, that's what i thought he said but if you listen carefully he clearly says mom.

[@OverseerYT1_]

the fact that a cartoon might beat a whole movie studio is insane

[@davidlawton3406]

Fr ikr😂😂

[@theonewiththegoldentouch]

It won't

[@chrislaurent1137]

@@theonewiththegoldentouch With the way that Disney and Marvel are going this year, it's not looking so hot for them

[@efxnews4776]

​​@@theonewiththegoldentouchalready did, Marvels failed horribly while Invincible is driving numbers up for Amazon streaming service.

[@BablooTandoor]

​@@chrislaurent1137not just this year, ever since the endgame, it's been downhill for them mostly except loki of course.

[@jamaalsmith5207]

To be fair, the MCU is doing a very good job of destroying itself. Hardly a fight involved.

[@brokenice420]

Really, I don’t watch Invincible but Marvel has died to me. Nothing to do with any amazon series 😂

[@SpideysNightmare02]

Took the words right out my mouth 🎯

[@JerichoLeon]

Agreed. Invincible is a dark parody on super heroism, similar to The Boys, which I'm really not interested in. The allegiance to identity politics killed the MCU. It caused Marvel to target a financially unprofitable audience. It compromised writing quality by prioritizing diversity hires over actual storytelling ability. And it pursued deep cuts into modern day comics and de-prioritized the use of more popular, established characters.

[@xVipera]

Does this mean they're not Invincible?

[@ChrisA399]

@@brokenice420 Yeah, I was just about to comment that you could replace invincible in the title with just about anything. Woke Hollywood, anime and manga, etc. In fact, with the way manga is outselling comic books, I would say MHA has played a bigger role in killing Marvel than the show that was the new thing for a quick minute and then rarely spoken of again.

[@fivesthespeeddemon5642]

I love invincible because their characters are so real and complex. Seeing mark struggle with his new responsibilities as a hero while still trying to be a normal kid, or Nolan’s complex feelings about his family and his commitment to viltrom are all amazing

[@GO-GO_SO-SO]

I really like the show. Even the gender/race swapping with some of the characters didn't bother most people. For example, Shrinking Rae, Green Ghost, Rex Splode, Mark's mom, Mark (he is biracial now), Amber, etc. Amber does not bother me or most people because she is black now. She bothers us because of how she treated Mark when she already figured out he was a superhero going out saving the world being the reason he was late to dates or didn't show up.

[@eeeeee-tc8mp]

green ghost technically didnt gender bend cuz if im not mistaken there is canonically a male green ghost in the invincible show but he just retired (i think hes in the atom eve episode?)

[@VALIANTWEENUS]

Mark’s mom has always been Asian.

[@GO-GO_SO-SO]

@@VALIANTWEENUS Maybe the information that I read was wrong, but from CBR, it said: "One of the more subtle changes from the comics to Invincible in the Amazon Prime Video animated series is the depiction of Mark Grayson as a biracial superhero, with his mother Debbie now being a Korean American woman. For series creator Robert Kirkman, the change came from the opportunity to feature a more diverse representation in the series, such as making Amber Bennett, Mark's girlfriend in the series, an African American teenager. Kirkman observed that many audiences don't see themselves racially represented in the media, even in the modern era, and these changes were made to help remedy this."

[@GO-GO_SO-SO]

@@eeeeee-tc8mp I just finished watching that, and you're right. He showed up when fighting the Lizard League. That was actually a pretty smart way to bring in some more diversity with that character, since I heard it is some kind of stone that gives a Green Ghost their powers.

[@Solvernia]

It doesn't matter what race Debbie is, Mark is biracial regardless. He's half alien

[@DangericeDreams]

Invincible didn’t destroy the MCU. The MCU destroyed itself.

[@saint037]

and Invincible proves it's not "superhero fatigue"

[@Koraxus]

@@saint037 people always like overpowered people fighting, whether it's a spandex suit or a martial arts gi, it's almost as if it's something primal but people start turning away when the writing itself causes aneurysm

[@safcjoe7062]

tbf tho, they have Spiderman still, NWH was Tom Holland's best film

[@MadaraUchiha-ly8wr]

​@@safcjoe7062 2024 Spiderman: New home.😂 The directors just can't stay away from the word home 😂😂😂

[@safcjoe7062]

@MadaraUchiha-ly8wr Or spiderman:homelander

[@thacrypt223]

The pilot for invincible is one of the most crazy episodes I have ever seen. It made me watch the rest of the show in one sitting. No joke.

[@Vihara2]

Its rare to impress me with a first episode, but they achieved it.

[@im_just_watching9327]

same

[@quincyharris2512]

Me and even my 56 year old mom did the same😂 its just too good even for all ages

[@quincyharris2512]

Well... maybe not younger ages

[@thacrypt223]

@@quincyharris2512 yeah, they would be traumatised by the ending scene of the first episode.

[@ohioguy1946]

I’m glad I’m not the only one to notice - Amber is so much better this season, I really appreciate that the writers actually took the feedback and made changes for the better. It’s beyond refreshing and so rare nowadays.

[@dolphin-studio]

There are things such as flawed characters done on purpose.

[@ohioguy1946]

This wasn’t that.

[@saahilfm]

Writers didn't change anything tho? That was just what the script was.

[@user-zq1vh5cc8x]

The best part of the "Invincible" comic series was that it allowed to end. Having a closure, it could maximize the potential goals it set for itself and would surpass it.

[@primetime6561]

I think a lot of people see the decline of the MCU as the superhero genre “dying.” But it’s not. People just don’t want lazily produced movies and tv shows being pushed out to meet a deadline. Just make satisfying entertainment that people enjoy. Invincible definitely is that and you can tell the people making it care about the show

[@unionpepe7864]

thats how the western died tho. making tons of lazy movies will kill a genre

[@Swish_God]

It's the same that it's always been

[@luismedrano6680]

@@unionpepe7864 how long did it take the Western to die? It took what a few decades? How long have we gotten big budget comic book movies? Since the late 70s with Superman then it died off in the mid 90s with Batman and Robin, Spawn, TMNT sequels, Steel, etc, until it was revivied again in late 90s to early 20002 with Blade, X-men, Spider-Man Batman Begins, then it peaked in 2010s with the MCU, Fox X-Men movies like First Class, DOFP, Logan, Deadpool 1 and 2, now it seems it reaching its mid 90s era

[@unionpepe7864]

@luismedrano6680 yeah except there still really wasn't a superhero genre in the 70s, 80s, and 90s like the westerns were or superhero movies are today. We got a lot of superman movies and a few other superheros now and again. We sometimes still get westerners today. But nothing compares to the western rise and fall like superhero movies do today

[@dylansharp8471]

Lazy is subjective.

[@Shenanirats]

I think they rushed Amber's change of heart too quickly. The amount of arrogance, obnoxiousness and general irritation she was in season 1 compared to her now is too wide, I would have liked to have seen them dialled her down gradually as a sort of character development. Now she's just like background noise.

[@efxnews4776]

I have a theory that Amber was done this way to replace her quickly for Atom Eve (wich is what happen in the comics), but folks complaining so much that they have to tone her down.

[@ZeRo-bx7lp]

Amber was a race swapped awful character to begin with

[@icetea5807]

​@@ZeRo-bx7lpyea she's only a tool for BLM movement😅

[@Drew-fn6rq]

​@@ZeRo-bx7lpyep

[@DeltaDanner]

Yeah it came on too fast. Invincible never got a chance to talk about how she treated him and they never address her being mad at him. She’s just suddenly a good girlfriend and we just have to forget last seasons arc.

[@Deubler]

Invincible feels like it belongs standing next to the great animated serieses of the 90s like Batman, Spiderman, and X-Men. As a kid, I owned the X-Men TAS VHS with interviews at the end, and the writers all seemed very determined to write something that despite being made for kids, explored very adult challenges. Disney doesn't seem to understand that kids want to, and someday will, be adults. Not even kids want kiddie cape shit.

[@muhumuzamark2189]

In my opinion why invincible works so well is because they do the most fundamental things so right, number 1 is STAYING TRUE TO SOURCE MATERIAL!!!!!!!!! And also giving writers creative liberties than aren't for political reasons but instead enhancement of the original work is why invincible will stay leagues ahead for some time. The comics were crazy and now they're being adapted, given the modern twists they deserve but in a compelling way that peaks interest curiosity and even a sense of wonder at how amazingly it all fits together. And the fleshing out of characters is something they do quite well. It's got a blend of positives working for it as a show and I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!!

[@ulemuphiri8489]

The whole show is built on political philosophy. Viltrum is a pastiche of European Imperialism

[@Mauldrom]

@@ulemuphiri8489 Hardly any politics mentioned though

[@hermitcard4494]

If they ever do a rated R real movie I hope Henry Cavill gets to play OmniMan, just as a slap to DC.

[@22carmoon]

And gets to grow a moustache… again, it’s almost poetic

[@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812]

They'll make Amber the most powerful character in the movie

[@autobotkirby1up]

Omni-man: You don't seem to understand, The box office isn't yours to conquer.

[@arfhat89]

By the time they get to it, he would be the right age so it could work. But who for Thragg? Joe Manganiello?

[@GrifterTheBoyIdiot]

​@@arfhat89that's actually a good choice since thragg is centuries of years old

[@ComposedSage75]

Gotta admit: that Omni Man and Mark vs the evil Viltrumites that destroyed that insect race was an epic match.

[@ghostops4022]

Yeah gotta admit it was epic although my only complaint is mark fight against viltrimite(forgot her name) I’m not sure how it would feel mark being able to hold his ground against a thousand year old viltrimite compare to the comics which I believe got his ass whoop.

[@Rudyrats]

@@ghostops4022 well there are a lot of reasons, in the comic he got a few blows in too

[@abstract5249]

@@ghostops4022 Being the son of one of the strongest Viltrumites in the universe probably helped.

[@narc440]

Also mark is a young man esentially beating up a middle aged woman lol@@abstract5249

[@thatoneguy5343]

@@abstract5249 SPOILER!!! Being the grandson of the Viltrum Empire’s original ruler also helps.

[@jasonb6860]

Still hearing folks saying Invincible's take on the genre is "fresh" is still a little funny to me since independent comics were doing things like Invincible since the mid 90s, and Invincible told its story at least a decade ago. But then mainstream audiences do live on a separate world from enthusiasts. Not saying I'm better than anyone, just acknowledging how easy it is to overlook things when you've lived with ideas for a long time. Check out Savage Dragon for the comic that didnt do a calm status quo between adventures that influenced Invincible.

[@meyes1098]

Are we not gonna talk about how basically every single DC animated movie is a masterpiece nowadays?

[@wienerofdoom7782]

you definitely didn't watch the injustice animated movie

[@Mauldrom]

@@wienerofdoom7782 Apokolips: Dark was made by da vinci himself

[@DiogeneJones]

Between Invincible, The Boys and Gen V it is clear that Amazon learned the lessons from the MCU well and provided superhero products of which people is actually excited about.

[@leonfa259]

It feels like they actually invest in great writing instead of just fancy CGI with Hollywood plot / morals like the new MCU movies.

[@Panteni87]

​@@leonfa259 how can you say that when Amazon also produced wheel of time and rings of power?

[@pissedpajamas5718]

@@Panteni87 he just closed his eyes for those

[@pissedpajamas5718]

OH LAWD DEM RANGS DEM RANGS OF POWAAAH

[@amigodavizinhanca7562]

Gen V is pretty trash tho, it didn't accomplish nothing in eight whole episodes...

[@issamelarmi]

Writers who actually care about their audience and take into consideration their opinions? Who could have known it would make for a very successful show?!

[@323starlight]

Amber

[@negrolicous5388]

I wouldn’t go that far lmao. If that were the case we wouldn’t see Amber in season 2.

[@doominthemoon]

@@negrolicous5388 Amber has gotten better since season 1

[@Kaiden_okeefe]

@@negrolicous5388but she is so much better plus I heard a theory Spoiler Alert!!! That it will take months for Mark to build a new ship needed to return to earth so by the time he does, Amber will have dumped him, which will make him end up with Adam Eve

[@SA80TAGE]

@@negrolicous5388 then you haven't read the comics... she sticks around for a bit, then cheats on mark, then Mark and Eve get together, have a family etc.

[@txmmy3251]

i know this shit is real when I get 500 times more excited for a single new invincible episode at the end of the week than a whole marvel movie..

[@isaacthegoat1432]

You watch mid.

[@TheDiamondCore]

Invincible didn’t kill marvel, marvel was killed by their own doing lmao

[@bwezzy]

marvel was killing itself slowly, invincible was just the final blow bc it showed us what could've been

[@Adversario96]

It isn’t just Invincible, it’s the whole Image Universe that can take over .

[@christophjohnson3777]

Kinda like the 90s when image blew away the big 2. 😆

[@ansur1783]

@@christophjohnson3777 Spawn was so good, maybe in the future the IP can comeback once more to the show media either animated of in live action but i really prefer being the first one like in the original show.

[@michaelmcgee2026]

​@@christophjohnson3777nailed it

[@doomzier]

Now I'm waiting for Monstress anime and Luther Strode movie

[@christophjohnson3777]

@ansur1783 spawn was a fn beast. I'd love to see a grifter movie, that was my dude.

[@ValorDucky]

Man, with the MCU being so shitty, I finally decided to give other superhero shows a chance. Binged through The Boys, Invincible, Peacemaker, and currently working on Doom Patrol. All have been fantastic.

[@astraghost774]

Doom Patrol gets really woke. Check out Umbrella Academy instead...

[@faizelwales]

The boys & peacemaker 👌👊..still have 2 watch invincible

[@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286]

Imagine complaining about the fact that superheroes are progressives. Couldn't be me@@astraghost774

[@bakonax7080]

​@@astraghost774Umbrella Academy is pretty woke at times

[@GrifterTheBoyIdiot]

Peacemaker is underrated

[@ToadVIP]

Invincible didn’t destroy marvel, marvel destroyed itself

[@kesslerkomicsstudio]

@Moon-Real All your videos are put together beautifully, and you really hit the nail on the head here. Thank you for the amazing and consistent content! ❤

[@blastermaster5039]

As for Amber, I am still on the fence regarding how the writers will balance her out. I am VERY glad she becomes supportive and now understand why Mark has to do what he has to do. Its actually also justified why Amber becomes very supportive, specially after she saw how Mark is able to stop his Dad from conquering Earth. I dunno, I just need a little bit more, like a little acknowledging apology for her behavior on episode 7 to which Mark can say its okay and they can reconcile.

[@mikehu2451]

yeah without that it would feel more like retconning than character development

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

Honestly I’m not as bothered about the details as I’m just glad I don’t feel like punching the wall every time she’s onscreen and because I know she’s ultimately not going to be here for much longer because of Eve.

[@elastronomer8462]

Amber who? Invincible is a wicked show for the majority.

[@Blodhelm]

@@elastronomer8462 Give them time and she'll be the main character.

[@VictoriaColmenares-rv5dq]

@@Blodhelm doesn’t appear that they’re playing that type of game .

[@Plasma_trinity]

They really did us dirty not releasing the whole 8 episodes at once. Edit : The show is that good I wish I could watch all of it, so I don’t know what people are whining about in the comments.

[@hermitcard4494]

It's fine. You can live your life and watch season 2 completely after it ends.

[@joshsavage5239]

@@hermitcard4494 unless you die in a freak train accident

[@hermitcard4494]

@@joshsavage5239 lol god damn it, dont kill the bro xD

[@Argonnosi]

@@hermitcard4494 I got hit by that one, too. The collateral damage on that is just too much.

[@justahumanwithamask4089]

@@hermitcard4494 This is the better option. Why watch weekly then have to wait another 2 years for a new season, when you can watch later and wait even less.

[@AlbertYamada]

Comparing it to the MCU doesn't really make much sense. One is a universe of films that wasn't even planned to be a universe at the beginning but then grew into a franchise with hundreds of different writers, producers and people feeding in their ideas. They have to choose from characters that can be up to 80 years old that have been rebooted/reinvented many times and turn that into a linear film franchise. The MCU had a 10-year-long storyline but after that what do they do now? In the comics Iron Man has also died, Sam has become Captain America and Thanos has also attacked and died. The difference is in comics there are hundreds of more stories with those characters because it always goes back to the status quo eventually. Invincible is written by one guy and is an adaptation of one 15-year-long comic run that's a deconstruction of the superhero genre. Same with The Boys. Independent comics like these are very difficult to Marvel or DC since those characters can change writers every year. All this being said, the MCU's ego blew up after endgame which put them in this horrible position of low-quality material for the last 4 or so years, that's for sure.

[@da_mitchello2815]

Amber was always written that way even in the comics, I’d love to give them credit in listening to criticism of the character but her writing was intentional to emphasize the difference between superheroes and normal people in society. It was to emphasize the strain it should put on a relationship like that, yet omniman’s relationship with Mark’s mom shows what living in harmony is like. It’s because of how unique these comics are in the way they’re written, their messages that I love invincible so much!

[@efxnews4776]

One thing i love about invincible is the whole sci fi aspect of the show you literally have two major galactic factions in sort of a cold war, and Earth just becomes the the pivotal place for this war for the right reasons, WE HUMANS! Not because, resources or territories but because our genetic make up that match perfectly with viltrumites.

[@docequillibrium5288]

You would like voltron legendary defenders then

[@efxnews4776]

@@docequillibrium5288 too kids frendly to my taste, i like guts, blood real stakes, not kid friendly shows.

[@anushkachhetri2363]

​@@efxnews4776 just because something is kid friendly does not mean it won't have real stakes

[@efxnews4776]

@@anushkachhetri2363 well it still lacks more mature themes, for example sex, altough nothing is really showed in the animation, but you do have the clear message of what is going on. It lack guts and gore like i said, lacks death and it's deeo impact in the story, even the senseless deathes caused by the destruction of Nolan an Mark, wasn't so senseless once you put the situation in perspective. People die easily closed to this super beings. I don't want see Optmius prime kick ass of Megatron for the 1 zillion time again, i already saw this before a million times, i want to see how a real Superman type of hero would deal with such powers and such universe that has OUR RULES in it. I want to see a broken boy, deafeat a super villain way more powerful than him by simply saying "i would have you dad". This are the small things that matter, you know, is in the simple things that we trully defeat evil, day by day, not by beating up a giant robot to oblivion. I don't have a problem with Optimus Prime or Megatron is just that they are so locked up in this good x evil plot that i don't care anymore.

[@reyzcelianponsaran5950]

That kinda make sense

[@Gabe_Cross]

I could tell from episode one that Invincible season 2 was going to be great. It even seems like they have a great villain origin story. Angstrom Levy seemed like a truly good person that wanted to help not only his world but many, many, many others. And when you think about it, he saved Mark's life when he took the helmet off. If he did not, the Maulers would have beat him to death. Even when he was in the middle of accomplishing his ultimate goal, Angstrom cared about someone trying to stop him enough to try and save that person's life. Now that he has the memories of all his alternate selves, combined with the pain and disfigurement he is suffering through, he now is consumed with hatred for Mark. Keep in mind that in most dimensions, Mark actually ends up siding with his father to take over the Earth, so Angstrom has a lot of memories of Mark doing terrible things.

[@CruzaderKnight]

I doubt even the 10 or 12 Maulers beating up on Mark would have been enough to actually kill him

[@Artixes]

@@CruzaderKnightbro his face looked like how he was when omniman beat him

[@jackk.4670]

​@@CruzaderKnight Well, they didn't "splattered" so clearly they were strong enough to kill Mark. Or at the very least hospitalize him for a very long time.

[@Moonl55]

@@Artixesif you think that’s bad just wait till conquest shows up

[@pit_shost]

I always felt amber was more angry about Mark not trusting her enough to tell her, less about being stood up. Especially when superheroes are commonly killed in the line of duty

[@oof9788]

that's an interesting angle, but she had far too much screen time she doesn't have that much time in the comics

[@pit_shost]

@@oof9788 yeah. Glad they clearly took some feedback this season

[@MKTyphon]

When Omni man said “what would you have in 500 years” and Mark replied “I still have you”. That is the most emotion I have felt, in a superhero genre. No matter how bad anyone can be, even the darkest of all heart would cry if they were put into that situation. And Omni man flying away from the Planet with a tear show more character. Because he realise, he screw up his only true joy in his life. And turn Omni man from a his own kind too a human

[@harbl99]

The character of Amber was substantially changed from her original depiction in the comics. And that's all I need to say on the matter.

[@efxnews4776]

Let us hope that they actually follow the comics and Amber is gone in the next eps...

[@curiositycloset2359]

Let me guess, she was a red head?

[@efxnews4776]

@@curiositycloset2359 nope, she was blonde, the show already has a red head.

[@suomalainenvoima]

@@efxnews4776 By season three I think she will become irrelevant

[@christophjohnson3777]

Glad somebody else saw this. Cant wait for amber to be as gone as she is in the comic.

[@rickyterheege20duitseherde36]

Invinceble proves that people like shock factors and gore😂

[@4ngerInducingPills]

True,that is why I like Invincible and Murder Drones they have both

[@SILOPshuvambanerjee]

Absolutely right

[@Obi-Goat_Kenobi]

Invincible didn’t destroy the MCU. It just watched it beat the shit out of itself.

[@user-pm6nx1fs2w]

Technically this destroyed the Marvel Cinematic Universe after Phase 1, not Marvel itself.

[@St.Raptor]

There is also the fact that Amazon is willing to learn. They fixed Amber's personality and self, saw that people liked the mixing up of timeline and such and continued with that, found out people love the side character stories and went ham on those. It's awesome.

[@michaelmcgee2026]

Side character stories are boring as fuck

[@vincer7824]

They have a detailed roadmap with the Invincible comics so they didn’t change much. Although these days just translating the source material into a show without ruining it deserves credit. However they did respond to the feedback about Amber in the show so thats good. Looking forward to see how far they go.

[@St.Raptor]

@@michaelmcgee2026 Oh comeon. You ain't gonna tell me Omni man's drifting in space scene was boring are you?

[@St.Raptor]

@@vincer7824 Well they didn't need to change much except the fact they need some action in every episode to keep people entertained. The comics had luls that would bore the modern audience.

[@jandjpt]

​@St.Raptor Debbie is boring but somewhat necessary.

[@Martyisruling]

Giving credit to Invincible for destroying the MCU, takes the blame away from the people and politics that REALLY destroyed it.

[@michaelmcgee2026]

Nailed it

[@yahiiia9269]

Ironically there's more diversity in the Boys and Invincible than in Marvel movies. More LGBTQ+ representation too. Stronger female characterization and plenty of female characters all around.

[@gibbsduhem1066]

​@@yahiiia9269I don't know about invincible but the boys is fully self aware of what it is doing, the show actually feels like it's mocking society when presenting those stuff. Makes it feel more like a parody than an agenda.

[@wolfo11]

​@yahiiia9269 yeah if anything they showed they could meet the bare minimum of ESG requirements and STILL make something great.

[@yahiiia9269]

@@gibbsduhem1066The only reason you see an agenda is because literally nothing else is there. Think about it, what personality traits does Ms. Marvel have, what are her defining moments? Can you name one? What is the story about? Now do the same with Invincible and the Boys. In those shows you can pick almost ANY character. The guy who has his eyeball fall out constantly in Pirates of the Carribean has more in-depth story-telling, more risk, more drama, then anything Disney has been putting out recently in Marvel and whatever. And Marvel in general is a mid franchise. It was complete with End Game.

[@screechh2108]

What I love about invincible is that they have diversity but they don’t make it all big and they still tackle big issues whilst giving us what we want truly amazing writers

[@limedgg]

"Your powers don't make you a hero, it makes you dangerous"~ Eve's Dad (from invincible)

[@deltag4mer830]

It makes me sad that I gotta wait till next year for episode 5

[@hermitcard4494]

Desperate impatient kids these days.

[@rogue9230]

@@act4infiniterotationbro a mid season break for only 8 episodes is absurd

[@vincer7824]

From a business perspective thats the best kind of problem to have.

[@West_SideC]

Idk what is it about Invincible but I REALLY enjoy it, I’m not saying the story is a complete masterpiece it has small flaws which can be overlooked but I enjoy every second of it, the small title card gags between episodes and the comedic timing and the intriguing plot is so awesome as well as the well written characters. Allen is a real homie, Mark is an awesome main character, Omni-man appears to be an asshole dad but really cares about his son. W show.

[@silverwolf2643]

It's just shockingly different. I had no idea what Invincible was before watching episode one and they made it out looking like an absolutely typical superhero show with some new teenager getting cliche powers. Like the movie Sky High. That ending totally caught me by surprise. It was crazy and enough to tie you down to watch all of it. Also the fact how they are not sugarcoating the mass death happening in all these fights, that they are in fact actual fights and wars, people and whatever else creatures actually getting hurt, torn apart and so on.

[@q45ij54q]

It also has characters that behave like real people. Debbie's pain is palpable in the second season. You really feel for her.

[@West_SideC]

@@q45ij54q So true, the first half of season 2 really emphasizes Debbie as a character, and her life without Noaln and how she’s dealing with her Husband’s betrayal and her Son going out for college.. it feels so real, the pure sadness she carries during this arc is really admirable

[@melzzfps]

bro yall know for a fact marvel destroyed there self

[@Giyugoat]

invincibles a master piece u guys should read the comics the character development is insane for example at the beginning mark always holds back and never kills but later after seeing many people he loves die he ruthlessly massacres his enemies and robot who's your classic good guy ends up trying the conquer the world omni man was a loyal soldier and he becomes the viltrumite hero and changes their ways its just an amazing series

[@gabgabatz]

Together with the Boys, Invincible is shaping up to be one of the better superhero properties that openly competes with heavyweights like Marvel and DC that challenges the seedier side to superheroics.

[@user-iy7jo7bq4f]

And let's be honest, The Boys is honestly much better at dealing with feminist concepts and diversity. And the ending of season 3 that was basically an allegory to Donald Trump? That was gold...

[@Drako9823]

@user-iy7jo7bq4f Yeah, season three ending was so bad. So, so in your face about the allegory.

[@user-iy7jo7bq4f]

@@Drako9823 Lol, The Boys has always been in-your-face, kid. It's just this time, you aren't the one laughing with it...

[@timtheenchanter7660]

​@@user-iy7jo7bq4f"kid" say the man child

[@wolfbane7497]

I'm going to be honest the boys is terrible after season 1 I don't care how much of the allegory in your face it is there's nothing to laugh about

[@wolfo11]

Dude you are so on point. Every time I finish watching an episode of Invincible, I'm so hyped for the next one. This show proved me wrong when I thought the superhero genre was completely dead. I'm so glad the show exists ❤

[@bufferino7880]

“Invincible proves superhero fatigue isn’t a real thing.” No, it is real. Invincible is just part of a new subgenre that is novel for now. If we get enough Invincible and The Boys in the next 5 years and we will get tired of that too.

[@Woogoo336]

I like the sentiment that "superhero fatigue" isn't from too many superhero movies, its from marvel releasing bad movies. It's true.

[@dr.karmichaelandjones]

I’m glad instead of killing Nolan, they demoted him to conquering handicap planets in a flying wheelchair

[@efxnews4776]

He will regen, don't worry about.

[@punklingyt]

There is more tension in the 1 minute scene of Omni-Man grabbing onto William's car and asking where Mark is than there has been in hundreds of hours of Marvel products in 5 years. I really think that what Invincible does so well is that it has a "no character wasted" approach. I can't think of a single character who wasn't expressing things and teaching us more about who they are every second they are on screen. Even characters slated to die or minor villains are fleshed out with motivations and a life outside of just chillin, waiting to get beat up. The fact that the Mauler twins play a huge role in a few story arcs like Robot and Angstrom is awesome, especially by taking the "hulking idiot brute" trope and making them genuine one of a kind geniuses. Everyone is constantly displaying who they are when on screen. Nobody is wasting time being a plot piece, an exposition dump, or a vessel for humor unless it serves to teach us more about them. That is the biggest piece of writing the MCU is missing I think. Too many characters who just are there for a spectacle, to make Love and Thunder tier "jokes" or to just be fodder for someone else's character arc. Mr. Fantastic was a great example of this in Multiverse of Madness. Hey, here's Mr. Fantastic, have a 'member-berry! He says a few lines...and dies after doing nothing. What a great way to spend 5 minutes of screen time.

[@escarretada]

I think you are The type of guy that Will enjoy jujutso no kaisen, that show is tension and trauma

[@SadSlav]

Trying really hard to prove ur not the clone I see

[@punklingyt]

@@SadSlav Prove? No I am the original, obviously. Only the original could have this much insight about a cartoon!

[@attackingtew2053]

I love Invincible, and Marvel still holds a place in my heart because of nostalgia. Still, I can’t deny that most of the content nowadays is getting worse because of the points you made. I feel like that’s also why Infinity War, Endgame, and Loki are more impactful. In Loki, Loki actually makes it so he can’t have any say in anything, and is there to just hold the world in p,ace for the sake of everyone else. On top of that, Loki doesn’t force as many crossovers as other MCU properties. Endgame and infinity war, they kill off characters. That’s why these properties are more successful than others. There are stakes

[@mr_0n10n5]

The build up from the ending of invincible ep1 to the finale of Omni Man v Invincible was masterclass. The only miss in S1 was Amber who'll be gone before the end of S2. S2 has been giving some really great episodes so yeah 👍🏾👍🏾

[@Vidhur]

I just finished everything from Invincible until now, it's one of the better long form shows I've seen in a looong while... It shows perfectly that you don't need extravagant art like that of Arcane and the new Miles Morales Spidey animated movies, but can still bring a product that everyone loves. A strong and refreshing script is (perhaps more than) half the work, a talented cast of voice actors doesn't hurt either... The fact is, most of the actually good stuff that is refreshing the last few years has been animation. I already named two other examples, but even most live action superhits, like Dune, the Top Gun sequel and the newest Mission Impossible aren't that refreshing or great, they're good, but not great, they don't bring much new to the table. Arcane and Invincible are truly refreshing and truly great, even if, like Moon pointed out, Amber had a personality problem in season one, that indeed to what I can see, seems to have been resolved in the four episodes of season two currently out. It's alot like the young Ahsoka in the early episodes of the Star Wars the Clone Wars animated series.

[@robertjackson8246]

That pun about missing his stop when he destroyed the train really made the show!

[@bryfunkenstein]

'Identity politics' have always been a thing. They exist in invincible too...front and center. The Marvels wasnt a bad movie...it just wasnt...it wasnt endgame or ragnorok....but it wasnt BAD. All films 'pander to their audiences' ... You could not have lived through the 80s....

[@86Fallowcp]

Thank you! Finally someone that doesn't cry about it or gives ultimatums. Pandering is a thing that has always existed and its literally how movie sell nowadays. The Marvels i'd say was just uninteresting, but in no way bad like the actual bad superhero movies like Morbius or the old Daredevil. Marvel is going through a lot of downtime after finishing one of the biggest climaxes in cinema, I can't see them not recover from this in all honesty, but it is just a bit mediocre of an era for them.

[@thomasbennett0]

Marvel have had most fails recently but the first trailer for Deadpool and Wolverine is the most watched trailer on KZbin ever. Yes even more watched than the Avengers Endgame and Spiderman No Way Home trailers. Deadpool and Wolverine is definitely going to be a success. I say Marvel has had most fails because WandaVision, both seasons of Loki, Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, Spiderman No Way Home and Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 3 are all successful

[@SPN5]

invincible knows who their audience is and the story line is perfect we need this, I hope MCU get their magic back

[@code066funkinbird3]

Blame disney disney being woke

[@anv_bis7287]

I remember seeing a review on this show and before they talked about Omni-man, i turned off the video and went straight to prime. 10 mins in i was like wait what is this? I was confused but when I got to the end of EP1 I knew this was gonna be good. The mere fact that they showed Omni-man collapsing after his fight and that close up shot to his face. It shows that he knew his actions had consequences, the details tell the real story of this show. I hope invincible keeps this up. I love this show!

[@damianstarks3338]

Your invincible video review is beyond perfect and accurate.

[@mattkurek9259]

Not even just invincible but the boys has also done a fantastic job at showing another side of the superhero genre.

[@DJDynamite]

This all happened due the grreedy execs at Disney. They saw how much the earlier phases of Marvel made and started going for quantity over quality. It's not supehero fatigue, it's Disney fatigue. They did the same thing with the Star Wars franchise. They need to slow it down and focus on good scripts and good actors so they can make good movies. They saturated the market with useless streaming shows on Disney Plus also

[@faizelwales]

Great point my brother🤝..auto correct got fatigued with the spelling of superhero 😂😂👊

[@legitsu_]

Loki was pretty good though

[@luismedrano6680]

@@legitsu_ as was Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3

[@shayneguzman]

I actually feel the characters in invincible...it's a brilliant show...can't wait to get into the comics

[@christophjohnson3777]

Yeah, the comics are even better

[@stephentarantino1313]

​@@christophjohnson3777watching something will always be better than reading something

[@theperson4yearsago565]

Nuh uh

[@colbystephens2396]

Invincible, The Boys, & The Incredibles are in my opinion, the BEST Superhero media I’ve seen. All have unique and interesting takes on the superhero genre that feels real.

[@Goofy4841]

I'm gonna tickle your Gyatt when you sleep, also I agree

[@raiinwyd]

ever since end game no super hero show has genuinely had me hooked like the boys and invincible. marvel follows the same the super hero’s will win and few deaths compared to invincible it’s truly unpredictable on what will happen will next and have people’s attention wondering. great video man

[@PipelineF35guy]

Dude I just watched all season one and two and holy fuck this show is brutal but honestly amazing lol, probably in my top 5 favorite shows

[@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT]

So you don’t have a brain

[@burtleturtle0012]

I started watching Invincible and at first I thought the characters were kinda basic, but the story was really interesting. Now I see the characters are meant to be basic, its what they do that drives the story and depth comes as it develops. It's good.

[@theperson4yearsago565]

No

[@musicbysazid]

MCU needs more mature projects like MoonKnight and Loki. Props to Invincible and The Boys for sticking to their raw materials

[@Suspect-oq7zv]

Early MCU still beats invincible, the MCU post Disney gets absolutely shit on by Invincible

[@nerdcuddles7731]

Wtf does "identity politics" have to do with invincible. The issue with amber isn't "identity politics" or whatever your trying to imply, its that they didn't develop why she is so viscerally angry at being lied to regardless of the reason she's being lied to.

[@jaek__]

a lot of writers are afraid to write black characters as anything but flawless, I don't think its 100% true, especially in this instance but I wouldn't be surprised if that was a reason why Amber was so shallow in the first season, and pointless race swap that seemed to have only service bad writing is also a valid criticism in this instance as there was 0 reason to change her race for the show

[@jaek__]

and it's not just her 'anger' it's that she is flawless, when she first arrives in the show she has almost no apparent reasons, motivations or secrets as to why she does the things she does or who she even is, she's literally just really smart girl who helps people, now she is just supportive nice girl who really likes and supports Mark, she's just not very compelling either way and it's fully apparent why people want Mark with Eve so bad

[@cosmicreader1312]

I love that X-Men 97 made this title, not age. Well given that invincible lost affair amount of hype while X-Men 97 gained so much hype.

[@phenseant]

amber in season 2 was pretty much the same character she came back to mark after she thought about mark keeping being a superhero a secret and gave mark another chance.The scenes after that weren’t really 2 sided I admit but they were trying to show that amber was upset that mark lied to her about being a superhero which is a big thing I don’t think it had anything to do with what the MCU or etc has done. Like mark doesn’t do charity work every weekend he disappearrs for a month out of the blue only to came back for like 2 days Amber was fully justified to be mad about mark lying although it is also fully understandable that mark would keep it a secret for safety and stuff both characters have their point + they are 17 overreacting or not thinking too much about something isn’t unusual

[@SonOvLaw]

I dunno, Amber knowing he was a superhero and still holding it against him that he didn't put her wants first seems like a very accurate portrayal of a modern woman. Is that why fans didn't like her, cuz it was too close to reality?

[@efxnews4776]

Considering that in the comics Mark ends up with Eve, i dare to say your theory must be right.

[@curiositycloset2359]

Irrational.

[@terrablaze3387]

It doesnt really matter whether or not she’s “realistic”, the fact still stands that characters or people who acts like amber in season 1 is insufferable to deal with

[@michaelmcgee2026]

That's funny. And correct.

[@curiositycloset2359]

The funniest part is Mark is expected to read niomi klein, magerat attwood and some African author. How fucking lightweight. No wonder some timelines of Mark went with nolans Nietzsche.

[@sumfgg0tt678]

My biggest gripe is that Invincible isn’t as stylized as its comic counterpart. So certain scenes look way duller than they should be

[@spacecowboyz0154]

Wellll animation is expensive so, we got what we got and it's still pretty good

[@The_MEMEphis]

​@@spacecowboyz0154considering how slow they're making the show it sucks

[@mishaalkisan1688]

⁠@@The_MEMEphisto add to Spacecowboy’s point, animation isn’t easy either. You’d have to be an absolute cracked of a master animation artist to get some high quality animation out within the span of a few months, let alone with a whole team of animators too.

[@The_MEMEphis]

@@mishaalkisan1688 they took 2 and a half years to do four 20 minute episodes and we gotta wait for the second half of the season even longer

[@vijaz5559]

the studio don't just do invincible mind you. they have other projects and commission to keep their business float. besides its the writers that takes their time.@@The_MEMEphis

[@thekillermessenger6694]

7:35 "Debbie, Omni-Man's Wife and Mark's son" so she is her own granddaughter then lmao

[@NeOmega83]

Very well made video and good analysis. Thank you, Mr Moon.

[@thaactor88]

Reserving judgment later in the story if they alter or take anything out especially with a horrible thing that happens to Mark and what results from it

[@therebelbobby]

Yes Moon, we need more vids like this. We live in a world where the heroes is perceive to be this un corrupted and morallt above all wrongs. If powers were real, does anyone think that the 'good guy' would win everytime? That is not the case. I love how Invinceable and The Boys has shown that if you live on earth you are prey to human nature. Love this show and how real it is.

[@efxnews4776]

Good guys like Mark would be screwed more often than not by super villains, and frankly pretty much every super in the Boys is a super villain.

[@I_Made_it_Up]

The boys can be kinda cringe

[@therebelbobby]

@@I_Made_it_Up better than trying to be potilically correct all the time. Why can't folks just enjoy the fantasy and allure behind comic stories rather than trying to make something that is always appealing to simple feelings. It's imagination, not real life

[@I_Made_it_Up]

@@therebelbobby bruh it's cringe because it includes political bs all the alt right allegories in that show is cringe asf

[@I_Made_it_Up]

@@therebelbobby the show writers said that homelander in the show is based on trump

[@ddg8561]

on the multiverse thing, idk if youve actually read Invincible but Savage Dragon and Spawn do show up in the later comics

[@AzA609]

I subscribed to this channel around a year ago, and now my subscription page is consistently inundated with repetitive Moon videos proclaiming the demise of the MCU. Ok, I get it. It's the same video each time, just with a different title. While I understand a youtuber's financial incentive catering to the chronically online crowd that care far too much for this, but man does the continuous consumption of the constant regurgitated "the MCU has fallen" sloppy slop become tiring. Are you guys not tired? These types of videos are a repetitive stream of polarizing slop, benefiting the hundred other KZbinrs that spout these same cheap and narrow-minded opinions financially but leaving the viewer with lobotomy level brain damage from the constant slop intake.

[@TheMrNugget]

I hope Disney goes bankrupt soon

[@David-zm3iq]

I came in reading invincible around 1/3 in and i tell you no author but Robert Kirkman can keep you on a cliff hanger like this guy. But year after year he never fail to deliver the same exceptional quality to story building and detail. I was geniunely entertained.The only thing that changes is who you root for from begining to end .

[@gaminuz0191]

Invincible is a Breath of fresh air and is the best piece of superhero media right now

[@zacariasnelson5753]

While Amber is waaaay more bearable now, she needs to still apologize for not taking Mark into consideration at all and needs to bring into light that she was about to cheat on him at the frat party

[@dbensdrawinvids8390]

Visually, Invincible is proof of what some have been saying for years: if you have a VFX-heavy production, you might as well animate the whole thing because your costs will be the same and you don't have to worry about your effects aging.

[@nafanwittree]

7:38 Mark’s son. 😂 That’s one of the funniest slips I’ve seen in a while. Great video invincible is my favorite show and I used to love marvel but invincible really puts modern marvel to shame.

[@dh510]

"The Boys" is also pretty great at refreshing the superhero genre, even though it's kind of woke, but in a fitting and over the top way, which doesn't interfere with the willing suspension of disbelief and almost appears to be satirical and/or self-deprecating. And I dare to say that the spin off was alright, too, even though it was even woker. I believe that this shows that it is possible to touch these themes, when the setting is correct and the narration isn't preachy.

[@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT]

Invincible is also woke. Moron.

[@hermitcard4494]

They haven't gone full woketards loke Disney. Never go full woketard.

[@efxnews4776]

That's why i prefer Invincible, i notice the woke bs in The Boys and this turn me off, Invincible on the other hand has almost nothing of woke bs, Amber was a pain in the ass in the first season, but now in the second season they tone her down, and now she is tolerable. Also Mark in the comics drop her off for someone else that im not going to say here...

[@hermitcard4494]

@@efxnews4776 The Boy has 5 seasons. Lets see what happens later in Invincible when woke parasites infect it. YOU KNOW THEY WANT TO. PS: I hope I'll be wrong.

[@efxnews4776]

@@hermitcard4494 you really don't need to scream at me, i have the same fear as you.

[@Steel_Wrath]

I've watched more then a few videos about the comics that I wish I hadn't on account of spoilers. That being said the story of invincible from what I've seen is well written and rewarding. Shame that it's Amazon that is one of the only soulless companies bringing us quality stories today.

[@NorthLVLowRoller]

I watched the beginning of Invincible season 2 episode 4, seven times tonight. The floating space scene with Omni man realizing what he had done to his son, now that was writing. Music score was absolutely brilliant.

[@TheComicsCenter2809]

I do personally think if Invincible wasn't just a blunt copy of DC characters, it would probably do better than them

[@yeetboiwhatyesplease2095]

IMO the MCU ended after endgame, and No Way Home is just a sort of epilogue on Spider-Man’s character.

[@patrickcatalon2977]

Great content moon, keep up the amazing work!!! Would love to hear your thoughts on the great awakening happening on earth recently.

[@iamhades5394]

This is the only series that has been so good that I wanted to know more about the story line so badly that I binged the entire invincible comic (144 issues) in 3 and a half days. I generally don’t like reading but this kept me captivated the entire time and has me wanting more even after a great ending. The story was told so well that I honestly teared up on more than one occasion. Artwork and overall character development and character redemption throughout the story was just amazing. Someone you wanted to hate when they were introduced can so easily become someone you are rooting for like d.a Sinclair or the exact opposite in robot / Rex’s case.

[@metaknight115]

Another cool subversion of expectations is the Mauler Twins. You think they're, like, THE MOST TYPICAL villain of the day baddies for the heros to beat up once and forget about. However, they keep reappearing as it's revealed they're actually super geniuses that make creating a cloning machine look like putting together Ikea furniture.

[@SotNist]

It's not really anything new in comics, but is relatively recent in film and TV, and has been somewhat suppressed due to corporate hegemony and the memetics of tastemaking. Once the MCU took off, suddenly anything even remotely mature in comics was astroturfed as edgy, dark, nihilistic etc. Maximize profit by diminishing competition. Luckily, every generation sees people grow up wanting a little more teeth and creativity in their genre fare.

[@StoicLime]

Dude, you need some new titles, something other than the "Marvel is dead" clickbaity rage-baity title. That's what annoys me most about your videos. Like, your content is great, the video is great but the title is so....banal and generic and corporate-feeling that it just turns me off.

[@4ngerInducingPills]

People can be bad at titles,I am horrible at title but my content is good.I don't care about the title if the content is good