How Invincible Crafted the Perfect Twist Villain

[@classyonion3754]

The fact that everyone has memed the finale of the show to the point everyone knows the spoiler, and people are still amazed by Nolan's character just shows how truly impressive this writing is.

[@SkyYamiJackson]

i think its cause with it being invincible, it was usually the screenshot so ppl can just assume its the brutal fight but we didnt know he'd fucking MURDER A WHOLE TRAIN, CITY BLOCK, AND THE GUARDIANS. but also how he does seem genuine rather than the bullshitting "im good". he genuinely love his family! so it just. yeah

[@calebschultz4270]

That is the true mark of a good show. One where you know what is going to happen, but watch it anyways and are entertained.

[@lunky2123]

Once Omni man explained what viltramites were in the way that they were good I knew he was gonna be bad. The twist isn’t for us, it’s like watching something terrible happen but you can’t take your eyes off if

[@Jacob-zk1jy]

I knew the meme without watching the show, upon watching the show goddamn did context nuke me the fuck away

[@Stormbringer005]

I think it's because the spoiler doesn't even matter. Like any great story, the journey is more important than the destination and the writers of this show proved they understood that by laying everything out for the audience instead of trying to trick them at the last second.

[@ioanevans6763]

Every word he was saying to Mark in he finale felt like he was arguing with himself and not with Mark. It felt like he was battling his loyalty to vildrum with his love for his family. As if he he kept having to persuade himself to be loyal to his kind instead of feeling love for something.

[@denizdemirci8653]

In the end, as twisted as he is, he was still more loyal to his family, being the fisrt vildrum to ever abandon his station

[@john98765333]

That is exactly how it was. He was trying to convince himself, and if he convinced Mark, he might have been able to convince himself.

[@kanemccarthy1979]

Not to be that guy but it's viltrum

[@speeddemonji9547]

I mean, yeah that’s what that was

[@nmeister007]

Spoilers: Nolan does get a redemption arc.

[@matthewgagnon9426]

The fucked up part about Omniman's flashback is that what reminded him of that baseball game is that he punched out his son's teeth, then remembered his son playing baseball where he lost his front baby teeth.

[@forsakenfish]

LMA8

[@willc6451]

Not to forget the perverse percussive juxtaposition - fists on da boy - bat on the ball

[@wolfreap3796]

Its nice to see someone else notice that detail

[@DiamondAppendixVODs]

Ooh, so that's how it is

[@siqxyre8473]

I immediately noticed that too, especially with how the cut to the present ended with him in the same framing as the scene. Its such a dark detail..

[@AceLeader101]

Personally I felt the most tension in the show when he went to visit the tailor dude, very clearly suspecting that he knows omni man killed the league. They were just chilling out and drinking beer, and yet it was one of the most nerve racking things I've ever watched.

[@aA-hq4km]

For Sure

[@SolidArc91]

Art

[@theshadowking9626]

He 100% knew that art and Debbie knew. He has super hearing. He could hear them if you notice whenever it zoom in on. Amy man's face when he's flying above the building. You can still hear them talking showing that he knows. But at the end of the last episode you see that art is still alive showing He had humanity for someone who had helped him with his time on Earth and chose not to kill him. Even though he views human life as useless.

[@stare4539]

lol

[@MANTUEFLIE2]

I thought that was Art was just excepting death

[@sentientmustache8360]

“but dad, mom loved you!” *”that was her mistake!”*

[@vfsberry7491]

lol

[@AutisticHedgehog]

I now love you

[@gamzeelmao1157]

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[@vfsberry7491]

wait what did u even edit

[@sentientmustache8360]

@@vfsberry7491 Spelling mistakes, it happens often if you have large hands

[@KingKlonoa]

Honestly never even considered him a twist villain until watching this, but I guess that's one of the reasons he works so well as one.

[@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234]

Wow, you're here

[@theguy3851]

Hey there!

[@tgr3423]

I think a lot of it has to do with presentation. It's clear his time on Earth HAS impacted him, and everything he does is a fearful attempt to reassure himself he's still a Viltrumite at his core. He's refreshingly complex, but easy enough to understand. Phenomenal character.

[@itsthequenchiest5072]

I feel like it's because we're so used to the concept of a twist villain, that is, the trash version, that when we have an actual good one show up, we don't immediately associate them with one

[@viscountrainbows6452]

"Earth's not *yours* to conquer" Hindsight: Sheeeeeeeeeeeeit

[@bonniebunbuns1782]

The scenes when Omni man is with other characters and he’s acting really ticked off are terrifying, because you don’t know if he’s gonna leave them or splatter their head against a wall.

[@wyattgrueter36]

totally, like when him and Debby fight and he just says “we’ll talk later.”

[@Chaubunagungamaug]

The scene with superhero's tailor had this vibe to an amazing degree. Also because the tailor knew and Omni knew he knew.

[@pridemoth_]

God when he was talking to Art, I was TERRIFIED

[@bonniebunbuns1782]

@@pridemoth_ I was terrified as well, art is my second favourite character next to Allen

[@spanz9538]

exactly, like when he was talking to the tailor

[@_somerandomguyontheinternet_]

I’m glad that his EXACT motivations remained a mystery until the end. For a certain period, I thought his true motivations were to be the “sole protector” of Earth, as he said in the first episode (albeit alongside Mark). That would explain why he killed off his competition once Mark came of age, and why he doesn’t like team-ups. The vagueness of the “Earth isn’t *yours* to conquer” line works here as well. He could have been saying that as in “Earth is *mine;* you can’t conquer it” as much as “Earth is *ours* to conquer.”

[@adamalexander1496]

For me, once he "explained" Viltrum it practically clicked. Their "perfect" society and their "benevolent mission" came off as eery and disingenuous due to that description of flawlessness. As if Nolan didn't just brutally and stoically kill the Guardians the episode prior. It came off as reminiscent of Third Reich propaganda and their value of racial supremacy.

[@somerandomperson3970]

@@adamalexander1496 The Third Reich didn't colonize indigenous people, buddy.

[@flyingsnail6079]

@@somerandomperson3970 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

[@somerandomperson3970]

@@flyingsnail6079 Indigenous people. Non-whites.

[@Novictus]

I never got that impression from that line, and i can't see how anyone did. To me its clear as day that he means he is personally going to do it.

[@Wyattoons]

Side note: I love that Darkblood isn’t a joke character in this adaptation. In the comics he was cool at first, but over time it was a bit of a gag that he would solve all these crimes and mysteries AFTER everyone else had already known what was happening. Here not only is he a competent detective, he winds up as a main part of the plot.

[@uno9915]

I hope Darkblood makes a return somehow, he's a very interesting character

[@scarletvrgames568]

Given how the show is a drastically improved product over the comic, I could see Cecil trying to make contact with Darkblood to see if demons have anything to stop the coming Invasion. I haven't read too far into the comic yet so I'm not sure if this is already a thing of sorts.

[@Mapspalo]

How did Mark regrow all those teeth he lost against Omniman???

[@biggiecheese1931]

@@Mapspalo alien power shiz

[@johnwestensnorris6391]

@@Mapspalo False teeth exist.

[@jonahamvs7229]

best part about the “debby is like a pet” reveal was how it contrasts the speed guy’s talk with his gf before he died talking about how he enjoys time with her and loves her even though they experience time differently

[@sunshineyrainbows13]

STOP IM HURTING

[@plantinapot9169]

And then Omni man for some reason chose the most brutal death possible for someone who experiences time slowly, wtf. Though, I guess you could say any death would be that slow so idk, probably not worse than burning or drowning.

[@jonahamvs7229]

@@plantinapot9169 DUDE I DIDNT EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT HOLY SHIT

[@plantinapot9169]

@@jonahamvs7229 lol yup, YIKES!

[@ShyCherri104]

YO HOLY SHIT THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE

[@aknurlukpan8542]

The scene where he told the aliens “Earth is not yours to conquer” at first seemed to me like a cliche phrase of a hero. It felt weird to see him say that, knowing he killed every Guardian. But with the finale it clicked. The phrasing made so much sense! Plus the ending scene where Mark talked with red alien about Viltromites just builds anticipation for the next season.

[@JRob-pd1jk]

Hell yeah. The viltromites are coming 🤣

[@Queue3612]

Him saying that was what made me realise he was evil, it kind of gave it away to me since it was so early in the season.

[@imaginegettingthat.99slopp7]

Sorry but ur color blind, that's an orange alien.

[@JRob-pd1jk]

@@imaginegettingthat.99slopp7 lol

[@aknurlukpan8542]

@@imaginegettingthat.99slopp7 thnx for the diagnosis

[@ZekromAndYugiAndDrago123]

What I love about Omni-Man's "She was like a pet to me" is that, while absolutely horrible, you understand where he's coming from. As a viltrumite, he'll live for hundred of thousands of years. He absolutely cares for Debbie, in the same way a Human cares for a dog. We know we'll outlive them. We know eventually we'll see them die. But we stick with them because we care for them. But by putting that into words, Omni-Man takes that on it's own concept and turns it into something dark. He's not only trying to convince Mark, he's trying to convince himself. I won't get into spoilers for the comics here but there's more to Omni-Man then the cold-blooded murderer we see in the show. Edit: way too many people are hung up on the "pet" part. Nolan doesn't genuinely see her as a pet. He doesn't fucking walk her or treat her as lesser. Really the only part of the pet analogy he truly meant was that she'll die long before he would. But that doesn't make her time with him any less impactful, hell it makes it MORE impactful. In just 17 short years, Debbie and Mark were able to make such an impact on Nolan that he genuinely starts rethinking centuries of indoctrination by the Viltrumite Empire.

[@spaceclottey6250]

Hey I know you didn't want to give spoilers but saying "there's more to Omni-Man then the cold-blooded murderer we see in the show" is still spoilers and hints of what comes next that we didn't get enough warning to not read

[@MasterOphSky]

@@spaceclottey6250 Saying "they're going to develop this main character more in later seasons" isn't a spoiler dude.

[@Capta1nTD]

Haven't read the comics but even from his past interactions and his flashbacks I could tell that he didn't fully believe that. It's what he tries to rationalize to himself but on some level it seems like he has gone soft and grown to love his family on Earth. I really like seeing that inner conflict, it makes Omni Man much more interesting and human.

[@chaad1046]

@@MasterOphSky I don't care about the spoiler part but its true that indicating that what we see in the show is only the cold-blooded murderer kinda gives you an head's up to the direction omniman's evolution is taking, combining this to what you quoted and we've got some pretty good spoils again I don't care its just that my man space clottey wasn't rude and was litteraly trying to give friendly warning and you jump on his throat with a dry and agressive-ish comment 😥

[@FestorFreak]

Did you just copy and paste the Team 4 Star podcast captions as a comment? That was like word for word from their podcast talking about it. Lmao

[@normaljim]

"She was more like a pet to me" gives me the same vibe as "it broke my heart to put that tumor in her head" from GOTG2

[@kreimer1702]

“Whaaat...”

[@RealCryptoTest]

I've heard this line but I don't remember from where, can you remind me what GOTG2 stands for?

[@FallenAesthetics]

@@RealCryptoTest Guardians of the Galaxy 2

[@normaljim]

@@RealCryptoTest Guardians of the Galaxy 2

[@RealCryptoTest]

@@FallenAesthetics Right, sorry I wasn't even thinking films. Thanks.

[@iCloud12]

“It’s better for your twist villain to trick your characters rather than your audience” that’s a useful tip

[@duckway4733]

Disney can't hear it, they're to busy copy and pasting twist villians from one movie to another.

[@robertdevito5001]

But also they should be able to trick the audience, like you know they’re evil because you saw them be evil, but if you missed that part you wouldn’t know. What I’m saying is, your twist villain tricking your other characters shouldn’t rely on their stupidity, after the twist is revealed to the audience your villain should still seem like a good guy, just like they did before the twist was revealed to the audience.

[@osmanyousif7849]

The Usual Suspect, Psycho, Se7en, and even Chinatown use this tactic well.

[@Fishj659]

@@robertdevito5001 ok so, what your saying is trick your audience first, snd then give them hints of evil

[@nevinmyers1245]

@@Fishj659 I took it as the only reason the audience should know they're a villain is because they have information the characters don't. The twist villain should be convincingly good even when you know they're bad.

[@teseobignon5627]

"You really think I was responsible for Tadashi's death? That was his mistake. Think, Hiro, THINK!"

[@lonebattledroid4474]

Schaffrillas: That wasn't his mistake, you started the fire that killed him! THINK CALAHAND!

[@sentientmustache8360]

Baymax: “Why would you activate my slaughter procedure if you knew i could hurt, maim or kill your friends? I’m a medical robot! Think Hiro! THINK!”

[@Nuka0420]

He only says think once

[@mredbadger]

@@Nuka0420 read the comic

[@Nuka0420]

@@mredbadger i was talking about the show bro, and yes I have read the comic

[@polkadi]

There's the implication that Omni-Man might not have even become a villain if Mark never developed his powers. At the start, it's believed that Mark has inherited no powers from his father, and they were seemingly fine with it. But once it develops, Omni-Man freezes for a moment, maybe he realised that he can conquer Earth with a Viltrumite son. Later that episode, he brutally murders the Guardians. It's possible that Omni-Man did develop his humanity, only to toss it aside when he remembers why he came to Earth.

[@abysmalreign2207]

Comic spoilers** You’re almost spot on. Omni-Man was hoping his son didn’t inherit his powers because then he can let his family live their lives and die before he enacts his plan. Since to him hundreds of years mean nothing, him living with his family was like a small vacation before he does his real job of conquering Earth.

[@nechdaught3412]

I feel like the months Nolan spent in the Flaxus dimension are downplayed by a lot of people when it comes to the role they played in his (re)descent into villainy. that time spent engaging in classic viltrumian slaughter after all those decades living relatively peacefully was probably enough to undo most of what he "learned" during his time on Earth. Him murdering the gotg was first step, Flaxus was the rest of the staircase.

[@watchm4ker]

@@abysmalreign2207 More spoilers..... It's more then that. Mark getting his powers confirms to Nolan that Viltrumite-Human hybrids are feasible, by Viltrumite standards. It's not about mere conquest. Not anymore.

[@kittybossatron]

@@nechdaught3412 I’m pretty sure he wasn’t actually there for 8 months I’m pretty sure just like how the flaxans got old on earth and died on the spot, Omni man was only there for maybe an hour or a day or two but his body aged like 8 months went past. Still, planetary slaughter doesn’t do ant favors towards one mental state

[@ReblazeGaming]

@@abysmalreign2207 So he would've still been a villain, just once the main cast had died and there wouldn't be a show

[@sophiasavellos9324]

I think part of the reason the “THINK, MARK!” moment is so meme-able is because JK Simmon’s delivery of that line is genuinely very funny. He sounds like a frustrated parent scolding his 8-year-old son because the son is struggling with a simple math problem.

[@act2wasstronger182]

That's how he views it i think

[@beneditohenrique8358]

I mean Thats how he views this whole situation

[@richardlee5412]

It's funny in hindsight but for me (probably just my personality) I was so invested in the moment that I never disconnected for a second to take in any humour from that scene. Was just purely in shock

[@lilchromie]

To viltrumites considering other races beneath them and conquering them is as simple as a math problem for an eight year old, and in viltrum years mark is practically an infant.

[@mortal1558]

“IF JOHNNY HAD 5 FUCKING APPLES AND HE LOST 2 HOW MANY DOES HE HAVE LEFT?????!”

[@BEZERKSTUDIOS718]

I feel part of what makes him so captivating is the use of "Hitchcock's time bomb". If you show a dinner scene and then a bomb goes off you feel shock and surprise, but if you show the bomb well before it goes off, you create anticipation and dread. Suspense.

[@reptiliannoizezz.413]

Huh... Didn't know about that. That's interesting

[@Yesnomu]

I was going to post this too, the suspense there is much more compelling than a surprise would be.

[@lemmonboy6459]

Be honest, you got this from OSP didn’t you?

[@lgnd2k3]

@@lemmonboy6459 it's a pretty common analogy people use for suspense.

[@wyattgrueter36]

Oh wow, that’s an amazing principle

[@bigbluebuttonman1137]

The question of Omni-Man wasn't "Is he bad?" It was "How bad?" ...The show did a pretty good job answering that last one.

[@shuriken188]

And, conversely, it did a good job leading up to the answer. The whole season you're thinking about why he did what he did, and what else he's capable of. That made the answer(s) very satisfying.

[@vibez2806]

@@shuriken188 yeah and it makes it better that it was weekly instead of just a binge watch

[@djodysseus7851]

yeah im convinced more than half the commenters are brain damaged slowpokes. nothing surprising happened in the series, except the cruelty of the 1st and the last episode.

[@bigbluebuttonman1137]

@@djodysseus7851 Actually, there were surprises, perhaps minute, within the series. There's robot and his shenanigans. There was the ballsiness of the show willing to butcher William's crush in front of him. Episode 5, and getting to see all the characters being surgically operated on to save them, and the complications of superpowers sometimes getting in the way of that (monster girl going monster for a second). There's also just generally the character writing, that was very nuanced and well done. Debbie, having enough courage to work behind Nolan's back to figure out if he did it or not, and still being willing to throw a wine bottle at his head and say "fuck you" to his face, even though she no longer understood the kind of man he was, and whether or not he'd just crush her head right then and there for all she knew. Honestly, it was chalk full of really neat moments throughout the series.

[@user-kg6pr1iv4i]

Well for me it was "does HE think that he's bad?" Because I thought his reasoning was going to be something like "humanity needed a wake-up call so new heros could stand," not "join the empire, sonny boy!" Loved the way the first season ended, and I can't wait to see what else happens. Also I'm glad to see the all the other villains were touched on during the last montage. I was really wondering what was going to happen with those pink things on Mars.

[@StopMoshin]

It just comes back to Hitchcock's bomb theory. If two people talk about baseball and Hans tries to murder them out of nowhere, you get about 10 seconds of shock value. If you show the audience that Omniman is a cold blooded murderer in the first episode then the whole series is pumped full of suspense.

[@dragonheart1236]

And also part of Hitchcock's bomb theory "but whatever you do with that 10 minutes of suspense, you cannot let the bomb go off"

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

If only there was someone who didn't make his mistake

[@crystalowl6608]

Kind of but not really. It’s such a dark reveal that you know Omniman won’t act on anything until the last epsiode of the season so there isn’t any suspense until those last two episodes.

[@YEs69th420]

​@@crystalowl6608It's still building tension as his relationships with people become more and more strained as the season goes on. The only one not clued in by the end is Mark, who was the only person Omni-Man valued at that moment. We didn't know that he wouldn't kill Debbie when she got closer to the truth and finally confronted him. It's super compelling drama.

[@Golden_Pig64]

​@@dragonheart1236 (SEASON 2 SPOILERS) . . . . . Rex Splode really would have liked that advice to be true, he had a whole between-episode of suspense.

[@theodorehodbor5080]

Omni-man's fight/obliteration of the Flaxans also showed just how powerful he can actually be when he genuinely doesn't have any empathy for his enemy. The man went so hard he literally ignited their planet's atmosphere at one point and effectively rendered their world into a Fallout-esque hellscape. With that in mind when he ultimately fights Mark I get more of a sense that despite everything he's saying and doing he's still actually holding himself back a lot.

[@GlobusTheGreat]

Yeah, maybe that's why he's so focused on convincing his son that Earth lives are worthless -- he's trying to convince himself as well. If his son gets on board despite being born there, then it must be okay to decimate the whole place. But his son never lets go of the attachment, so he's not given an easy way out to make a choice. He gets conflicted and flies away, unable to come to an answer...

[@jasonkelly9889]

@@GlobusTheGreat that's actually a really good analysis, damn

[@iunderstanphotography2780]

@@GlobusTheGreat But the goal wasn't the destruction of Earth, they want it intact so it can be a valuable part of the Viltrimite Empire. Still a good point

[@BonesCapone]

Despite them both requiring cold blood; conquering and executing are two very different goals. Due to the extra-dimensional nature of Flaxon, it is not conquerable to Viltrum. Al they need to do is not open the portal to our dimension, and they'd be safe, but a potential threat. They'd be able to fight Viltrum entirely on Flaxon's own terms. Executing Earth in the same manner would simply leave a lifeless rock orbiting the sun. Viltrum may get minerals, but they likely have those in abundance elsewhere. Conquering requires survivors to submit and accept your new rule. You can have an empire that owns all the empty space in the universe, without something/someone there to defend this claim, you actually have no empire. I can claim to be Emperor of all Jupiter and Her Moons, but unless I or someone else were there to enforce that claim, no one believes me.

[@isaacflett1321]

@@iunderstanphotography2780 to decimate just means reduce by one tenth, not destroy entirely.

[@AkuTenshiiZero]

Fun fact: When Omni-Man destroys that alien planet, we don't know how long he's there, but we were told that time runs faster there. We see he's got a beard by the end so we can assume it's been maybe a few days, but in the finale when he says Viltrimites age slower as the get older, it makes you realize he might have spent the equivalent of months or years tearing that planet apart.

[@agentj3627]

By knowing the fact that they aged faster when they came to our dimension, it should be safe to assume he actually aged slower in there

[@Novashadow115]

You learn later in the comics that humans and viltrumites age slower in their dimension since the time stream is opposing them

[@megaavonaco9954]

He was there for 8 months in the comics.

[@blueguygaming1330]

It was a couple months

[@athenabrown3117]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't that long. He already had a white underside to his hair, and he just grew it out in the few months he was there, since he didn't need to shave.

[@RubiRenegade]

The first most telling line in ep 1: "When our people come of age, we leave Viltrum, and venture out into the galaxy, using our abilities to help lesser-developed worlds. I volunteered to relocate to Earth, and be its sole protector." *Sole* Protector. I didn't notice that shit first watch

[@peanutkix]

See, that line made me think that his reason for killing the Guardians was kinda simply that he believed he should be the only hero protecting Earth.

[@boshix8130]

@@peanutkix honestly I think that was what made him a “twist villain” The whole time you were watching you were trying to find a good reason for what he did. You were holding out hope that even though he killed all the guardians he was still a good guy or had good intentions. The twist is that he wasn’t.

[@umwha]

@@boshix8130 Weird, I did not have that expeirence. It was clear he had some evil motive all along.

[@BobPantsSpongeSquare97]

I started to realize he was lying after he killed those green guys from the invading dimension. He said "Earth wasn't YOURS to conquer"

[@RubiRenegade]

@@BobPantsSpongeSquare97 Yeah I didnt notice the double meaning line, but it was the point in I knew it for sure too

[@derekfcc]

‘The primary goal of twist villains should be tricking the character, not the audience.’ Wise words my friend

[@plsmoviemaker]

"What will you have in 500 years?!" "You, dad...I'll still have you." That part was fucking heart wrenching.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

I sobbed at that line. That was devastating.

[@marcelrojewski3129]

And when you read the whole comic this line just hits... different

[@VelaiciaCreator]

@@marcelrojewski3129 Agreed. Still tear-jerking, but in a mixed way. Beautiful.

[@disappointedoptimist255]

Makes me tear up every time

[@serbiastrong948]

Spoiler: He didn't have his dad in 500 years

[@nathanhudelson1834]

When you see the phrase “perfect twist villain” in a Schaff video title, you know it’s gonna be good.

[@logicaloverdrive8197]

at this point he might as well have a vendetta against twist villains

[@tiffany-chan1235]

I clicked on solely for that reason because I hate twist villains when done badly

[@enkidude9372]

EXACTLY😂

[@puterboy2]

Videos like this make me believe that Disney should step down and give other animation studios their due.

[@BombaJead]

I don't think he qualifies as "twist villian" though.

[@Kodasa_Sinclair]

I feel like the "Think Mark" scene is even more heart breaking when you listen to what he's saying as he brutally beats mark. "I can always start over! Make a new kid!" In retrospect you realise this wasn't a threat to mark, but rather, omni man trying to convince himself. Trying to work himself up to murdering his own son.

[@bjholland8322]

Omg I can see that

[@animezilla4486]

Do you think Omni man deserves Redemption

[@Kodasa_Sinclair]

@@animezilla4486 I think the possibility exists and I wouldn't be surprised to have him redeemed Darth Vader style, on his death bed, as he died to protect his son. But I'd be pretty happy if they commit to him being awful through and through

[@Angoolian]

I dont want to be annoying but the line is actually "I can always start again, make another kid" sorry if I was annoying

[@john98765333]

@@Kodasa_Sinclair Spoiler They most likely won't. He's a good guy inside now. Just trying to convince himself to do his duty to the viltrum empire.

[@glang5154]

Omni-man's relationship with the audience in this series is like an abusive one where we know he is evil but we find all kinds of excuses to deny that until it's too late, and that parallels what the characters are feeling in the show. Great stuff!

[@liamerolduffy7738]

Too bad the audience will forgive him anyways because peoples’ minds have become numb to forgiving every mass murderer by giving a stupid sob story. Just look at fucking walking dead.

[@jinxtheunluckypony]

Everything about the finale was so painful. I honestly teared up when Mark said “I’ll have you, dad.”

[@Pussmister]

I cried bro. *that shit hurted*

[@Christopher-eq1rn]

The part that really got me was the subway scene. That is so much trauma and it's a wonder mark isn't a gibbering mess after that

[@Maybeprobablynot]

@@Christopher-eq1rn dude i legit couldn't watch that scene, i had to turn away. it was so powerful

[@brookeberry2226]

It made me cry :(

[@dollarama5604]

I bawled

[@BuildinWings]

It's the Hitchcock method. The audience knows more than the characters, so they're stuck in suspense waiting to see HOW and WHEN each character learns what we already know. It becomes about the characters more than the plot, which provides strong emotional connection.

[@Drekromancer]

Well said. Every development was so goddamn impactful, because there was a constant sense of tension in the character interactions. Like, "maybe THIS time is when Debbie figures out the murders." It added such a sense of stakes to every conversation.

[@ar.6968]

The technical term is "dramatic irony", by the way. I don't mean to sound condescending, so sorry if it comes off that way!

[@lester4532]

Is this like that one typical scene in every soap opera where the main character is hugging the villain and the villain grins behind them?

[@hamzamemon3081]

Stranger things did this perfectly in my opinion

[@BuildinWings]

@@ar.6968 LOL I know that term and have the same insecurity over using it. That's why I didn't in my OP. No worries!

[@blackout3681]

There’s one scene that sticks out for me. The scene with Nolan and Art Rosebaum, where they have drinks together. The whole scene made me feel uneasy and uncomfortable because I didn’t know what was going to happen. Was Nolan going to kill him because he knows? Was he going to let him live? That’s what happens when a character is written like this. You never can tell what they’ll do next.

[@dreyblanc7503]

When Art was closing his shop and that Omni Man showed up, I had chills literally. I was scared to what he'll do to him after exposing him to Debbie. Then he wanted to have drinks with him. And this also made me feel uneasy to what he'll do next to Art. And after that, he never killed him. He still let him live which made me relieved for Art.

[@wrrrryyyy12]

@@dreyblanc7503 which means he will most likely die later

[@Hamzter1234]

I was so nervous man

[@MizantropMan]

I felt like that when watching Dark Knight as a kid. Joker was so terrifying because I never knew what he was going to do and that was the first time ever I feared anything in that way. Monsters in movies would just eat you/tear you apart, but him? He could just as easily fix your hair as he could douse you in acid, the tension was that high!

[@RationalOrc]

It's so true, that scene was spooky. Poor art knows he's talking to a killer and there's nothing he can do to defend himself. What I really like though is that you can war game out Nolan's perspective. Should he kill Art to keep him quiet? But if he does kill Art, he'll 100% be the obvious suspect, it's just such an easy connection to make. Maybe you can just scare him into silence. You could see that's it's a tough call for Nolan to make, so you can't be sure what he'll do. The mystery drives the suspense.

[@Supperdude9]

One thing I noticed in more viewings. Omni was prepping himself for the speech. You could see him practicing it. He was hesitant when he heard Mark's powers were starting to surface, even for a brief moment being disappointed. During the fight, he was saying horrible things, that Mark didn't matter, not even the wife. Nothing mattered on the planet. Yet it did matter to him. Otherwise he wouldn't have left crying. Omni man did NOT want to do this. He did NOT want to do any of this. There was no joy when he took down the Guardians of the Globe. That was just a job. He took a joy in that invading alien force, since they were attacking Mark. But for the most part throughout the series, Omni had the look of a man who was only doing what he was supposed to do, not that would have liked it. He really did not want Mark to have powers so he could just live his life quietly.

[@ThatOneGuy0006]

It seems Omni-Man tricked you too. He's a killing machine that has no emotions. He's just putting on an incredibly convincing performance. Everything he's done has been in service of destroying mankind.

[@jellymatsuryuka6853]

@@ThatOneGuy0006 that's just false

[@devonstation2102]

@@ThatOneGuy0006 lmao its not even funny how wrong that statement is

[@dezgasting]

@@ThatOneGuy0006 eh, i think both arguments are kinda wrong. The entire point is that Omni-man DOES have that touch of humanity within him. But he hates that he does. He's incapable of accepting that he's attached to his kid. That's why he flies away at the end. But he's still capable of absolute sociopathic murders as a Viltrumite would be. It's just the question whether his son and wife are involved.

[@AlmeaCulpa]

@@ThatOneGuy0006 Yeah, flying away from the planet when he was clearly powerful enough to destroy mankind is clearly in service of destroying mankind. I'm not saying he's a good person, but to say he only cares about destroying mankind is so wrong that it makes me question if you've even seen the show.

[@loganferrales427]

I can’t believe the Lion from Zootopia became a better twist villain than the Sheep from Zootopia

[@TESkyrimizer]

w h a t

[@mrblt1299]

@@TESkyrimizer the lion in zootopia has the same voice actor (J.K Simmons) as omni man.

[@madsceptictrooper6803]

The Chad God Omni-Man vs The Noob Virgin sheep from Zootopia.

[@tarazard1457]

Jk simmons has been in so many things I love....

[@mastersio3647]

That's call superiority of species I guess.

[@Tom-vx7qh]

There's something about Omni Man's presence. In other shows, when an all power character effortlessly kills millions, I really don't feel a thing. But with Omni Man, I actually felt just as scared of his power as the characters in the show felt. He felt threatening, and absolutely terrifying by the 7th episode. I can't put into words how it's different, but it's incredible nevertheless. To see this all powerful being who is pretty much *title card*

[@gorkemyavuz3520]

You got my like with the last sentence

[@dimensionalhero9183]

I think it might be because while he's extremely powerful, he was almost stopped multiple times. Unlike characters like superman who feel like they only ever lose when the plot needs them to, the world still has a chance to stop Omni-Man. It's just that he's always capable of pushing past their defenses. He's close to the main characters too without them even knowing what he's done, so every time we see him do something we have that same "Jesus *christ*" perspective as the rest of the people he lives with

[@Olafaru]

I feel like its partially because of the gore yknow? In most shows and movies we really don't see the destruction properly and because the visual are fucking scorched into our eyeballs in this show, it creates more of an impact.

[@Frogkhan915]

I'd add to what others said the f'ing sound design! All the sound effects associated with him are not like sleek and smooth or too bombastic to take seriously or anything else, they're HEAVY! Listen again to the sound effects when he hits the ground or throws a punch, it's always BOOM! Also the character design he's so beefy plus the salt & pepper and that goddamn mustache.

[@jestphoenix]

I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING AT THE *title card*

[@qrangejuice8225]

I feel like Hitchcock's wisdom on tension is at play here. Showing an audience a bomb beneath a table with a timer for ten minutes is far more impactful than just showing a table blowing up after ten minutes of unrelated conversation.

[@raydhen8840]

Agreed, we know what will coming (Not to mention the meme that draw more people in in the first place), but rather that lessening the tension, it adds to it.

[@JV-km9xk]

What even adds to this is that the bomb itself seems to duffuse itself at times. In this case, Omniman being a great and caring husband and father. There some dissonance or contradiction that intrigues us yet keeps us unease.

[@MyHeadHz]

This is super accurate

[@rainbowbrony12]

I just wanna say, out of the trio of twist villains, Bellweather is the one I can forgive. She's the villain of a mystery story. If she were revealed to be evil to the audience before the main characters, her reveal would have no impact.

[@bababooey5402]

The issue was the fact that there were NO actual hints that it was her. The issue Schaff has is with the "gotcha" feeling, because it wasn't subtle. Not by a long shot.

[@bababooey5402]

Another issue I (and he) failed to mention is that for you to be able to reveal your twist villain early, not only must you prioritize the characters learning about them, but *it'd need enough reasons to fear for the characters, or make us actually interested in them learning about the villain.* It can't just be revealed early but then the villain is "revealed" again later, and that villain must be interesting enough to make us care about them lying to the characters. Plus, it'd need enough time to show how evil they can get so we care about why *the characters* should fear them. Twist villains are a bit weird of a nuanced thing, and it's hard to do it right all the time... and if I'm wrong on all this, then at least it's hard for Disney to pull it off! 😂

[@DrZuluGaming]

But Hoodwinked was also about a mystery and the reveal made sense since there is clues that ties to the reveal. Heck, even the Big Bad Wolf foreshadowed it by saying "never trust a rabbit."

[@rainbowbrony12]

@@bababooey5402 That's true. The only hint they give us is that sticky note on her computer that says "call doug" but that's a blink and you'll miss it moment, so I don't think it should count.

[@KumaoftheForest]

We didn’t think Bellweather could be evil, she was a “victim” of the mayor. A herbivore and that is why I was surprised by the reveal

[@boingo762]

Before I saw invincible, the “Think Mark” meme made me think Mark was gonna get too carried away with his powers and become evil, boy was I wrong

[@file_boi020]

same here

[@missasyan]

i thought it was just an intense training session with the OP dad.... well... what a cruel learning experience..

[@daftbanana1]

I thought mark was omniman telling himself to think about what to do with the kid dying... boy was i super wrong

[@Kelpic]

I thought it was gonna be Omni Man berating Mark for getting into a fight way out of his league or something

[@laurelalloro]

I thought it was gonna be like, they were in a war or something and he was just being aggressively motivational. So glad I finally watched this show

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

Omni man sounds like he'll burn your house down with combustable lemons if you don't give him the pictures of Spider man by noon.

[@dracosmith7781]

Love this

[@calebschultz4270]

oh absolutely!

[@Firey_bunnyboi]

@StormyD186 jk simmons also voices ford from gravity falls

[@comradejosephstalinoftheus8698]

Or if you don't play drums faster.

[@rahn45]

Hope people can find that edit ;)

[@nitrocharge2404]

Omni Man is such a perfect antagonist. His iron will, his subtle humanity, the sheer cruelty, it all fits together to create an insanely good villain

[@Swenneh]

He’s not really the villain of the series, only in season 1

[@crunchu2361]

@@Swenneh we will see, show might differ from comics. Writers always love to take their creative liberties

[@Cyricaaa]

@@crunchu2361 it won't differ from main plot fym

[@DrRitterstein]

@@crunchu2361 They would have to invent an entirely new main Plot because the Show is based on comics.

[@asherfalk5425]

Just wait for Thragg

[@thomasstewart1380]

Honestly, my favorite parts with Omni-Man weren't even the shocking violence. I was a massive fan of the father-son moments between him and Mark. The family man moments were all very enjoyable. Hope we get more of it.

[@tylerleamon7874]

@@Anunnamedtankblud must’ve not watched the last episodes

[@AVspectre]

More flashbacks perhaps?

[@mredbadger]

One thing that’s especially effective about Omni Man’s murder of the Guardians is how little emotion he shows when he does it. He’s not angry, or malicious, he doesn’t deliver any mocking quips or get any joy out of it, he just picks them off one-by-one with no indication on why he’s doing it, if he’s enjoying it, if he’s being controlled, etc. We don’t actually get indication that he views the other heroes with contempt until a later scene when he calls the new guardians pathetic

[@suddenllybah]

This is a change from the comics. which I think is definitaly for the better. Having both the fight be extended, limiting Omni-man's emotion, and having the fight clearly so close, that Omni-man picking up the Red Speedster guy and the Green Ghost only would work because he surprised and shocked them, and almost being defeated by the last 3 Guardians. In the comics, it is a squash match with Omni-man talking some shit.

[@skakee10]

I feel that what really makes it for me is his reaction after he kills the immortal, finshing off the last of the team. Hes basically emotionless throughout the whole fight, but once the deed is done and all he’s left with is silence, the look on his face is wide eyed and shocked. It’s as if this moment of peace makes him reflect on what he’s just done and is horrified with himself. Just another example of how there’s a piece of himself deep down that has humanity, no matter how much his military programming represses it

[@valemontgomery9401]

In all fairness, the new guardians kinda suck compared to the old ones.

[@mrcream1461]

@@valemontgomery9401 Yeah, he could wipe the floor in red in no time against the new guardians.

[@draco89123]

"he calls the new guardians pathetic" I figured that was his intention anyway, killing off the strong defenders of earth.

[@theblacklotus3475]

Literally the second I saw him resist killing his son, all I could think of was Dracula from Castlevania. "My boy. I'm killing my boy."

[@spark1400]

SAME

[@chillguy7687]

“Your greatest gift to me... and I'm... killing him.”

[@liz0018]

I just finished watching Castlevania so this hits harder

[@TheTrueReiniat]

I watched Castlevania with a friend and at that point she was yelling at the screen "stop that please stop!", I wish I could watch Invincible with her but its too violent :P

[@corielldoghc]

@@TheTrueReiniat Yeah, I understand that. As a fan of the show, I personally feel like they should have done the train scene or the collapsing building scene, not both. The show isn't any worse by having both and it defo earned both, but two hyper violent mean spirited scenes back to back just kinda made me quit liking the show for a few minutes.

[@Glorpusvideos]

I’m kinda a dumbass. When I saw the “think mark think”meme I thought he was going to find mark hurt from a battle, and telling him to be less careless

[@hierrikmedan6934]

That’s what I thought too lmao oops I guess

[@toolatetothestory]

I mean. That could also work, in another show xD

[@doppelRUSH]

That’s exactly what I thought before I knew about Invincible.

[@BwooHuraca]

I thought that too but I also hadn't heard of Invincible.

[@Josh-ck9bv]

Yeah same, worked out for us though because the full force of the twist happened at once

[@JoshuaDHSW]

Fun story. My brother watched it before I did, but he'd watch with me to see my reactions. My brother told me that when Omni-Man said "Earth isn't yours to conquer" I jokingly said "it's MINE!" in response. I didn't even remember saying it weeks later when I watched the season finale. But he did. And he was internally screaming because he was basically like, "You just said it! That's the answer and you don't realize you just said the answer!!! GAHHHH!!!"

[@SenyiKimmo]

dude your brother is cool holy shit

[@Deadflower019]

Reminds me of my dad who was watching Avatar The Last Airbender with his friend who hadn't seen it before and when Yue goes off and becomes the moon they went "Ooh, that's rough..." and he had to keep himself from laughing out loud.

[@xintrosi6829]

Both me and my wife assumed that's where it was going and we gave each other the knowing nod at the end.

[@doctorwhomst6459]

the bit where Red Rush gets his head exploded is just wow. It's the first death of the Guardians and you can even see he's broken his hands just to have a chance to survive, it is BRUTAL

[@GrindyVine]

and when the music suddenly stop, add more into it It's like damn, we can now easily hear the pain and death of each character

[@ace-smith]

the "guardians all running up to him" shot is really nice because it's in incredible slow motion and red rush is still punching at super speed in comparison. and all it does is break the surface of his skin lightly

[@Alex-vl1mk]

@@ace-smith Which all things considered is actually really impressive.

[@xzeuii]

The thing about RR too is there he experienced that pain for SO long because of the whole “A couple seconds of a conversation lasts hours for me” thing he said

[@glitchedstudioss]

Yeah, it's I n s a n e

[@81u9]

If you play the scene where he flies off in slow motion, you'll notice that Nolan didn't just shed a single tear, he was full-on crying

[@LT-kh5qh]

DUUUUUUUUDE OH MY GOD 😭

[@MigattenoBlakae]

Holy crap yeah he is like UGLY crying. Way more heart-breaking than what I thought upon my first viewing. Damn. Omni-man is a really, really well-written character. Very interesting indeed.

[@Giganfan2k1]

Ffffuuuuuukkkkkk

[@RacingSnails64]

Oh yeah, that's a whole spritz of tears

[@lootcat1230]

@@MigattenoBlakae he's a terribly written plot hole of a mess. He's inconsistent, makes terrible choices for a species that's been living so long and conquering so long, and just plain a hypocrite only put in for "shock value" by someone who thinks it's deep to have the main characters dad be the "villain". Good acting, doesn't make good writing.

[@imjaymaybe]

"Twist villains aren't twists if they become the normal! Think Disney think!"

[@asianjackass237]

That's what Disney wanted. They are sick of twist and turns. When everyone is a twist villain, none is special. Syndrome

[@ComicSans-ew2ou]

Oh no, the Mandela effect is taking effect

[@Matthew-vq1kv]

@@ComicSans-ew2ou ikr

[@xhouston5663]

Me: "What will you have after everyone's tired of disney twist villains!" Disney: money man, I'll still get money.

[@rumpelstiltskin6150]

@@ComicSans-ew2ou How? What? Where?

[@user-ft7fq4ou4v]

Another thing I noticed about Invincible while watching this is the character design. Typically, heroes are designed with primary colour, and villains feature secondary colours. Omni-man, appearing as a hero, adheres to this. He has a red and white suit. Mark, who is truly a hero, and opposes pretty much everything Omni-man actually stand for, has a yellow and blue suit. Mark also has a primary-coloured suit, because he is a hero, but has a completely different colour pallette to Omni-man, to match his completely different ideology and worldview. Or I'm reading too much into things and it's just two different, really cool hero aesthetics.

[@JoshSweetvale]

No, you're completely correct. Their original designs in the Invincible comics were made _very_ intentionally. Rex Splode's goggles being a little dweeby, Dupli-kate's immersion in purple to make her appear background. Eve having a perfect-to-the-point-of-impractical suit, _because she creates it every time._ Robot's Mk1 chassis being rust-brown, with a glint of green intellect. The Immortal having a costume _very_ similar to Mark, and _also_ the inverse of Omni-man. To jump tracks for a bit, ever notice how Homelander's TV show costume is just slightly too _busy?_ Just a little too much frill. Tries too hard. Little chaotic.

[@fairylovesyou]

Red Rush: "A brief conversation is hours for me! It's agony!" How long did Red Rush spend in Omni-Man's hands from his view?

[@nsahandler]

Pretty sure they showed that in real time of his experience. You can see the Guardians take like two steps while running and you can see him punch Omni Man's chest over and over until he breaks his hands in desperation. To everyone else it was just as fast as Green Ghost's death.

[@justanotherpoweraddict7918]

Too long

[@kennethmathew3055]

@@nsahandler oh thanks , my dumbass was like , why is he taking that long , he's so freaking powerful , his skull should be crushed in a matter of sec, I thought they just slowed to show the intensity of it.

[@nsahandler]

@Thijs Van bosch I mean did you see how fast he head-gutted Green Lantern ripoff?

[@Ultinuc]

@@kennethmathew3055 honestly I thought he was just taking his time out of cruelty + to let the dude get hits in so he'd be covered as a suspect since he was beat up too

[@SuperEljafru]

its crazy how the show called "invincible" pervades so strongly the feeling that nobody is truly safe, apart from the one man you should be afraid of. nolan as a twist villain encapsulates so much of the dread brought forth; you have no idea when or what will cause him to snap. it's terrifying in a way no piece of media has made me feel before

[@Drekromancer]

Well said! It's especially jarring because you see that Nolan and Mark are SO much more durable than the rest of the characters - but we still see them get hurt all the time! Mark gets hurt pretty badly a couple times, too - which makes me think that his name might not be literal. Instead, I think it's about the part of Mark that can't be destroyed: his spirit.

[@asskicker4000]

@@Drekromancer Dude this should not be hidden in a reply.

[@hadezhell1929]

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[@Pompadourius]

It's the same feeling to me that Homelander from The Boys gives off, really. Except Omni Man is more terrifying to me because he doesn't have the drawback of wanting to be admired by the public as a mental limiter.

[@shadowling77777]

Yup ikr

[@Longshanks1690]

When creating this show, they really knew how to _train_ the writers.

[@vfsberry7491]

ye

[@beewhohatesgachalife865]

pls give me a shoutout

[@geo1058]

this comment gave me episode 8 flashbacks

[@burnmyboredom9968]

@@geo1058 same I was like u did not just make that joke xD

[@thederpwad8282]

And the writers do a great job _building_ up the characters

[@MattIsBored322]

i watched this show on my own and went to watch it with my dad, and he got really invested in the relationship between omni man and his son, then we got to the end of the first episode and he almost cried because he thought we could do father son bonding thing (and he realized that he would be the bad guy in that metaphor) and refused to watch the rest of the show with me, so that's always nice

[@Wotterblue]

That last ep would be roughhhh to watch together

[@DarkBykeTwitch]

Your dad can always make another kid.

[@AVspectre]

Awww poor dad 😢

[@Splooje]

Just wait a few years, then it can be a bonding moment

[@GetWellSoonR.E.M.]

Your poor innocent dad 😂 I hope he does watch the rest with you though. It’s a great show

[@kitschyyvideos]

I'm convinced at this point that every character J.K. Simmons plays is golden.

[@michaelstrong5383]

That's why he's one of my favorite actors. The man can be funny or very intimidating. Sometimes even both, like in Whiplash.

[@PlahaKumar]

You could have him play a talking bird and he would make it work.

[@AnInnocuousBlueCube]

Peanut M&M is a twist villain; pretends to be dim, but you know he's killed people.

[@MostlyAliveGaming]

Remember. Kai exists.

[@renmurray378]

His best acting job is for the farmers insurance company.

[@ribottostudio]

"Let's see how you handle this." He didn't mean the punch. He meant everything AFTER the punch. He KNEW what that would do. What that would do to his son PSYCHOLOGICALLY. AND EVEN AFTER ALL THAT MARK STAYED TRUE TO HIS SOUL. And THAT'S why the show is called Invincible. NOT because of his powers. But because of his SPIRIT. Damn.

[@EricLeafericson]

"I could crush your body! I could smash your bones, but I'll never break your spirit Monkey" - Rasslor, in his battle against Monkey in an episode of Dexter's Laboratory

[@VWDSTIN]

@Zain EWWWWW MY 4TH GRADER BRAIN DOES NOT APROOOVE!!!

[@pheniellanz5271]

that is so beautiful :'')

[@spaghetto9836]

Damn indeed.

[@jamesonsockstoes5470]

No... he didn't, he meant the punch. There wasn't a hidden meaning

[@Pepstep_07]

Mark saying "you dad" with his literal dying breath even after everything Nolan said and did to mark and his family and his planet. The fact he genuinely loves his dad despite everything is just. Pain. Agony

[@cryogenicwaif4688]

This whole show was an emotional rollercoaster, got me feeling so happy and excited for the characters, just to rip out my heart the next episode. Or hell even a few minutes later

[@swordsmanthegamernine7973]

And it makes sense. It’s his dad, he’s loved him his whole life. Even after that beat down, after all those lives he took, that doesn’t just...go away. He still loves him.

[@Pepstep_07]

@@swordsmanthegamernine7973 I know and that's the saddest part of it. I love how many people appreciate nolan's character but not a lot of people speak on how realistic the toxic father/son relationship is portrayed. I rly hope they explore it more in s2

[@Yipper64]

You know this is really good writing on every level. His genuine unconditional love for his parents parallels atom eve's relationship with her parents. She has good parents that genuinely love her but she resents them because they dont want her to go out doing dangerous things.

[@Pepstep_07]

@@Yipper64 eve's parents are also very controlling but they mean well. Her dad is outwardly antagonistic but that's just because he's worried for her safety. Meanwhile Nolan was seemingly kind and supportive of Mark but was willing to kill him when Mark stood up for himself and his beliefs. It's such a good parallel

[@empirestate8791]

I love your take: the purpose of a twist villain isn't to fool the audience, but the characters. Omni-Man worked so well because we could fully see how the characters slowly learned about Omni-Man being evil, and their reaction to it. We got to see Omni-Man in his evil form and how he carried out his evil plans. It created a ton of suspense, and oh boy, the payoff was very good.

[@DrzackTheGamer]

“Earth isn’t yours to conquer” Hits different when his true intentions are shown

[@sandycole2347]

I feel like that was obvious in that episode right?

[@CaptinHavoc1]

Does it? Like I literally expected him to say "It's mine."

[@chuckbatman5]

The "it's mine" afterwards feels implied no matter what but it sounds just vague enough to give doubt. Like, I could see a version of Superman saying this line without any underlying implication

[@AC-gm6dr]

Not for me

[@patrickblanchette4337]

Nope, still hits the same ominous way for me.

[@BingBangPoe]

"After 500 hundred years, what will you have?!" "You dad. I'd still have you."

[@pello3215]

That sat with me for a while because how hard it hit

[@Bluehood77]

Nothings made me tear up like that in a while.

[@mrdewb]

and his immortal wife and children

[@shadowling77777]

@MAGAT slayer I think he does become reformed in the comics but yeah show could be different

[@dooper264]

"Crazy Frog"

[@lapisspiderman]

No one realizes the intensity of the red rush head crush scene, literally he had just stated to his girlfriend that a small conversation is like HOURS to him, lets say a small conversation is like greeting someone hello, takes 5 seconds, we also know that when you are in pain time seems longer, like burning your finger or holding a plank, so we can conclude that red rush was experiencing that pain for what seemed like at least 5 hours(1 hour in painless perception of time), this is evident by the increasingly desperate measures he took, increasing punch speed to the point it broke his hands, which means the pain was so severe that broken hands didnt even compare, its like slowly crushing someones head over the course of an hour

[@ImperativeGames]

Most people realize this. Some blame Omni-Man for cruelty. But imagine how bad it to would be to Red Rush if Omni-Man went for anything else except the head...

[@goblinsinc.8274]

na na na na the head crush was in slow motion we see the other guardians running at him and omni man and they're in slow motion so the head crush was like 1-2 seconds in real time

[@spanz9538]

@@goblinsinc.8274 yes, those 1-2 seconds felt like at least an hour to red rush

[@plazmatic2664]

@@goblinsinc.8274 1-2 seconds would still be over 20 minutes for him most likely.

[@randomfactsthatdontmatter3466]

Imagine hearing the sound of your own skull slowly breaking inside your own head.

[@scratchykoala545]

I love how the question we ask the most is "How far will he go?" it is a scary question that Omni man makes us ask again and again but the answer is always "Not far enough" such a cool villain

[@ahhhhhh124]

Can u imagine kids seeing their parents flinch everytime they say "imposter" in the future.

[@evantanuwidjaja8017]

amogus 😳

[@8johh]

@@evantanuwidjaja8017 sussy baka 😳

[@ahhhhhh124]

@@8johh sussy amogus

[@TheFormalFools]

*🤣🤣😂😂😂😎😎WHEN THE PARENT IS SUS😱😱😱😱😱😱🥵🥵🥶🥵🥶😲😲😲*

[@ekremslayer3389]

"WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT NAME"

[@mrswoose220]

When Nolan told Mark he can just make another kid while beating him to a pulp is what truly terrified me about how ruthless he can be. Imagine trying to reason with your mom or dad about your family bond then they say some shit like that with no hesitation.

[@naruchancutie1]

That part actually made me cry. Like my heart broke for Mark and his mom

[@brandonr3072]

Yeah, he was hella angry at Mark for developing powers and ruining his earth life. Y'all really still think he's the villain?

[@ratedr7845]

@@brandonr3072 yes

[@godofcheez6126]

@Brandon R that’s not even close to what his intentions were. He was glad Mark got powers because then he would have someone to help him conquer earth. The reason he said that to Mark is because he refused to help him enslave an entire planet. So yes, he is very much the villain

[@brandonr3072]

@@godofcheez6126 bruh, go back and rewatch how he reacts to mark getting his powers. He literally said it'd be better for everyone if they never showed up. Obviously the viltrimites aren't conquering planets willy nilly anymore. They're focusing on species that can be used to repopulate their numbers. In other words if mark never got powers, earth would have been left alone. Did you seriously miss all of the subtext?

[@boonskicks]

I think the line “Who knows? I can make another kid” said to Mark is on the level of fucked up as Omni-Man calling Debbie “like a pet” to him. I haven’t seen a lot of people focus on that line, and it just shocked me how cruel and callous it was...

[@ladygeneveve3805]

its largely due to the fact that he contradicts what he says 5 seconds later by not being able to actually kill mark

[@boonskicks]

@@ladygeneveve3805 It's still cruel and to me, him not killing Mark doesn't remove for the fact that he's been beating him up and emotionally torturing him up until that point, which is why he says that

[@ladygeneveve3805]

@@boonskicks i never said him killing mark made everything he did okay, i said that it's why nobody talks about the line "I'll just make another kid.

[@boonskicks]

@@ladygeneveve3805 I meant that I think it still stands out as another brutal punch to the gut in Omni-Man's commitment to justify his view on humanity, even if he later realizes he too, did value Mark's life. He still was so adamant that he told him otherwise, even if it wasn't true

[@ladygeneveve3805]

@@boonskicks why are you trying to convince me of this stuff, i just answered your question, that is all

[@kregory5106]

I didn’t realize there were after credit scenes so I went through the whole show not knowing he killed the guardians and I loved figuring it out since he slowly becomes more and more insane.

[@juiceoverflow]

cap

[@spiderTessa6105]

That's nice and all but there isn't after credits. And if there are after credits that scene isn't one.

[@bobjugajuga6432]

The fact that Dr Doof still hasn’t conquered the tri-state is the biggest twist of all time.

[@natesmith3166]

He is a twist hero

[@PolishGod1234]

He was the only reason i watched the show. Phineas and Ferb had no personality

[@olorinmagus4479]

See the thing is, everyone already knows who he is and is willing to be ruled. He just doesn’t feel like he’s earned it yet

[@creedd.o8928]

@@PolishGod1234 why you gotta do my boy Ferb like that? 😞😞 smh

[@HomeRunChess]

@@PolishGod1234 now that i think of it ur right They did nothing but build We could never really relate to them, or see their personality.

[@piggsyseal2941]

He’s also a twist villain in the sense that the audience doesn’t find out his true motivation until the end, which makes them wonder if he really did have a good reason to kill them or not. And it’s even more heartbreaking to see that he didn’t

[@MrVic-qu9qh]

Honestly I thought he killed them because he wanted Mark to be able to take on the bad guys without the gaurdians getting in the way and then Mark would get mad at how he murdered them just so Mark could be a good superhero.

[@asskicker4000]

@@MrVic-qu9qh 100% The reason I thought too.

[@MrVic-qu9qh]

@@EventualWarlord I'm glad that wasn't the outcome. It's just a lot of movie companies don't think of creative ideas like in invincible so it was kind of a shock.

[@blakefauset4549]

Mr. Vic yeah like it was out of a sick twisted sense of love and that he was just secretly sadistic and had issues. I had wondered that too

[@Кинокультист]

He had a good reason though

[@hollowboi4195]

Cecil is the best gray zone “hero” he does what he does for the greater good but the zombie soldiers the nukes and the laser are a bit grey

[@Wesmoen]

Fair enough, he clearly shows discomfort using those methods. He's aware that sometimes grey actions are needed to fix the problem.

[@pelinalwhitestrake8289]

@@Wesmoen i mean i think he even says "there is good, there is bad. I am here to keep it a nice fucking colour of grey" something like that

[@ATruckCampbell]

He is who I would imagine running the SCP foundation, although I guess the agency he is in charge of kind of is that.

[@loucasstjacques5131]

I will never forgive what he did to Darkblood

[@ninjanibba4259]

He’s Batman and Nick Fury wrapped up

[@racheldeschaine]

I love that even in the first episodes when he’s training mark his true cruel nature is sprinkled in there

[@travisjohnson18]

He was so scary. I literally almost sh*t my pants in the scene where mark’s friend was in the car and he asked where he was

[@sunshineyrainbows13]

Moooood I was like nOT WILLIAM PLS

[@ranaldmacdanald8059]

"Where's Mark, William?" *dent noise*

[@gilon-xx1es]

@@ranaldmacdanald8059 "... You were supposed to drop him off ..." made me shit bricks!

[@baydiac]

Yeah, when Schafrillas said “capable of redemption” I had to pause the video and take a seat out of pure shock. How the “twist villain” trope managed to be beaten into the ground by repetition but “anyone can have a redemption arc no matter how many people they murder” somehow WASN’T just shocked me to the core. Like, I’m genuinely serious about this: if Invincible decides to make Omni-man into a good guy by the end of the show, it will not be a good show. The absolute most I will tolerate is a Darth Vader style “realizes he was wrong/the meaning of love/etc.” as he dies cliche. _Come on!_

[@gilon-xx1es]

@@baydiac Hard Agree! Thats what irritates me when talking about the show with other people!

[@dootperfect6542]

Can we take a moment just to talk about how cool the cut-to "Invincible" title screens were?

[@thevioletskull8158]

Yes

[@diegovaldes1408]

They weren't cool, they were hilarious lol

[@Wrldisevil]

@@diegovaldes1408 depends on your humour cuz i didn't laugh once

[@lennysummers6672]

An amazing detail is that the invincible title gets progressively more and more bloodied up to represent how fucked up things are

[@wyattgrueter36]

I liked how they progressively got bloodier and bloodier as the episodes went on, by the time episode 8 happened there was a huge blood splatter covering the entirety of the letters

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

Schaff: *actually really likes Omni-Man as a twist villain* Omni-Man: *laughs like J. Jonah Jameson*

[@tiffany-chan1235]

Heh heh...I get that

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

@@tiffany-chan1235 Thank you, I was hoping someone would. 😉

[@bleepblock2177]

"AHAHAHAHA, you serious?"

[@reverbthevocal421]

Honestly, Omni-Man and J Jonah Jameson kinda have opposite types of personalities. Omni-Man tried to hide his true motives by pretending to be Earth’s greatest defender, seeming good while being evil. Jameson, on the other hand, is someone extremely passionate about journalistic integrity in The Daily Bugle, even though his obsession with Spider-Man can make him look like someone who just hates superheroes. He seems evil on the surface, but in reality he’s just stubborn about one hero because of the property damage that could’ve been avoided.

[@calibur4589]

@@bleepblock2177 toby Maguire just sits there with a blank stare "Hhhhhahaha"

[@BouncingTribbles]

The irony of the pet line that I think everyone misses is that people love their pets more than people. He loves Debbie, deeply. She's the kind of pet, to him, that you're still mourning 20 years later on your death bed. He's lying to himself completely with that line. He calls her a "pet" in an futile effort to dehumanize her. As an immortal you would have to learn to prioritize emotional attentions, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't be mourning his mistake for centuries

[@zacharyrollick6169]

Absolutely. I had a bonded animal once. Her death was more tragic than my father's.

[@spectre1004]

I thought that in the “Think Mark” meme Nolan was trying to save Mark. I was completely wrong when I watched this show

[@cakepie3484]

I thought they were in a battle and he was critiquing him on what he did wrong, I was not prepared

[@LK9T7]

He WAS trying to save Mark: the Viltrum Empire would kill him for opposing their conquering of Earth. All their dialogues and fight of the last episode was Nolan desperately trying to turn Mark over to his side, both to save his life and spare him the pain of outliving his world.

[@spectre1004]

@@LK9T7 well I guess your correct in a way

[@horseoperamarker]

@@cakepie3484 bruh samee

[@kinsleymcnulty7914]

Tbh I view that entire sequence as Mark trying to save Nolan

[@j.b9218]

Another small detail that I noticed was while Omni Man and Debbie were on vacation. Before the monster attack, there was a man who was taking pictures with someone dressed as Julius Caesar. And Nolan says "Earth's greatest _conqueror_ in history and this is how he ends up." (or something along those lines) He compliments Caesar on being the greatest conqueror to unite the Roman Empire. Because it's exactly what he plans to do to Earth with Viltrum, on a much larger scale (and was resentful of how disrespectful the humans were of Caesar's "legacy"). The writing in this show is just 🤌🏼

[@lorefox201]

are you implying that Caesar's legacy isn't worthy of respect, given that he saved Rome from the brink of collapse under a deranged and corrupt senate which had become so alienated from the needs of the people it represented as to plunge the country in civil war rather than ratifying land reforms?

[@Drekromancer]

@@lorefox201 based and despot-pilled

[@lorefox201]

@@Drekromancer "Princeps" pilled, but thank you!

[@Alizudo]

He's right though, it's pretty humiliating and disrespectful how we treat our own historical figures.

[@Stad122]

@@lorefox201 While it is true he fought a corrupt senate, his actions set the precedent for future Caesars with half the wit and compassion to systematically oppress the people and consolidate their own power and petty wants. Caesar caused the fall of Rome by making it clear that murdering your opposition is fine.

[@koolboi6610]

He probably wouldn't be evil if Parker got his pictures of Spider-Man on his desk by noon.

[@groofay]

I fricking knew this was all Toby McGuire's fault.

[@b3nl555]

I mean, the *menace* is literall everywhere, how can you not get pictures.

[@IDK-qq7ct]

@@groofay In fairness, nobody fixed his DAMNED DOOR!

[@breezingby2611]

Or if Neiman could be on his fucking time

[@davidgomezdeossa6448]

This joke stopped being funny so long ago, please stop

[@landenman8708]

I think the “twist” part of the character is that he actually loves and cares for his son

[@codeviper8665]

The fact that his motivations are hidden led me to believe that he was brainwashed or something, and wasn't even aware that he killed the Guardians. The uncertainty as to whether or not Nolan was evil is what was hooking me into the show

[@codeviper8665]

@@esteemedcharacteractressma58 The best part of a show with good consistency (characters act in a realistic sense) is exactly this. There isn't one narrative that you view, it's like looking at a real, albeit different world, and everyone sees it a little differently

[@juliahock5549]

@@esteemedcharacteractressma58 Same here, and if i was wrong during the first episode then him demanding his costume back wouldve settled it for me

[@wolfrainexxx]

Earth's greatest protectors were trash, and their replacements were trash; Omniman, despite his motivations, did Earth one helluva favor. It prepared them for the Viltramites, and his son for what was coming. If Omniman kept living a peaceful life, or explained to everyone what Viltrim was like, they'd of said, "We'll be ready for them." When in reality, reality would have hit them the moment 20 Omnimen showed up... that wakeup call would have been what happened to Mark... only no regrets.

[@aerostrafe1075]

@@wolfrainexxx He did blitz them so hard that I honestly believe he let them do the damage they did to better sell his alibi.

[@thephoenix4093]

@@wolfrainexxx i would agree but honestly without them there isn't anyone else except mark and the agency.

[@laraschroeder5195]

I actually knew immediately what Omni mans intentions were after he said “earth is not yours to conquer”. Never second guessed it and I was right. That could’ve made the ending less impactful but DAMN they added so much extra stuff that gave me whiplash anyway.

[@shanonfree8210]

I figured it out once he mentioned how his people “help out lesser civilizations” something about how he described it made it sound like he wasn’t telling the whole truth.

[@happyguy2k]

Yes Me too i was like errr that sounds like it is his to conquer

[@falconeshield]

@@shanonfree8210 he spoke like a British dude from 1920s lol

[@alexanderbrady5486]

The show also demonstrates that it doesn’t matter if some of the audience guesses the ending. The “Superman wants to conquer earth” trope is common enough that plenty of people guessed the twist, but the story was great anyway. So many series (especially Mass Effect) fall into the trap of changing or obscuring the twist so they can keep people guessing, but it is much more important to just have a good story first and foremost. Having a good twist is secondary. Plus, the hints are everywhere. The “earth is not YOURS to conquer” line, the reaction the martians have to finding out Mark is a Viltrumite, the fact that Omni-Man never bothered to clear up the Earth/Urarth confusion. All that foreshadowing makes it easier to guess the twist ahead of time, but it also makes it a good twist.

[@strayorion2031]

@@alexanderbrady5486 Yeah but I like the twist in the trope that invincible put in, this isn't just "what if superman was EVIL?" this is " the redemption of evil superman"

[@Tom-xy9gb]

Omni: “What will you have in the next 500 years!?!” Mark:”You dad… Ill have you.” Everyone 😭 *

[@MrSottho]

*Red Dead Redemption 2 flashbacks* "I gave you all I had..."

[@scottbecker4367]

*Omniman leaves Earth*

[@legendarymarston9174]

@@MrSottho No...no! Stop!

[@failure4452]

Candice...

[@spookyho5994]

ahhhh qwq

[@emiofnnc]

Throughout the series I honestly thought that Omni-Man was just some sick Psychopath, the way he acted, I was always so on edge when he interacted with anyone in this show. The twist was amazing, great show.

[@slylover123]

Same

[@hithere2477]

The term psychopath is ableist

[@emiofnnc]

@@hithere2477 wdym?

[@andrewpadilla2084]

I think the visual of Mark not having his front teeth during the baseball game flashback and the “you dad, I’d still have you” scene is absolutely brilliant, it’s the small things that truly make this show excel

[@mikeclarke5732]

“It has an adult Bobby Hill” I can’t unsee it

[@MakiPcr]

I love that because in the comics he's a superpowered cyborg, so Bobby is going places

[@Shadowkiller-dq2ju]

Damn it Bobby

[@MOCskoden]

There’s a comic that Bobby reads that is called Invincible 👀

[@yoyoyo9035]

@@MOCskoden It is the same comic, since Invincible was actually released in 2003.

[@kylefratini2833]

That was my first thought upon seeing him when I began watching the show.

[@arturzinurov4781]

That scene is the only instance I can think that does “love safes the day” that is actually makes sense and feels satisfying.

[@calebschultz4270]

Ironically, on my first viewing of the first episode, I jokingly said Omani was a fascist World Conceror. I did this because I recognized him as a superman parody and thought he had the same moral structure. you can imagine my surprise, horror, and Joy at seeing how that episode ended. And Ironically I was right. I am so happy about that. Best superhero show in a while.

[@calebschultz4270]

opse wrong comment...sorry

[@arturzinurov4781]

@@calebschultz4270 I want to know what you thought I said cause man I don’t see a connection here.

[@der_nachtmahr]

And maybe in the original Star Wars movies

[@arturzinurov4781]

@@der_nachtmahr yeah now that you mentioned it I can see that.

[@Badchi]

10:06 it reminds me a lot of "Our boy... I'm killing our boy!" scene from Castlevania

[@hanks_2210]

A very *heart breaking* scene.

[@69Satan69]

Dracula was f*cking amazing. The true definition of a tragic villain.

[@woof7611]

shit show sadly

[@DrGreatScott]

I love how during the entire season, I felt like Mark did during his realization. There just HAD to be something controlling/manipulating Nolan... but there wasn't. It makes it so much more heart-breaking and horrifying.

[@Raptorman0205]

In a way, there kinda is. Nolan was brought up by a facist regime, and conquered for probably centuries in its name. That kind of social programming doesn't go away overnight. Its just a form of manipulation that doesn't rob him of his autonomy.

[@HopelessEnigma]

@Player Zero no we're not lol. You just accidentally figured out how fucked up all that is

[@Ichigo111293]

@@HopelessEnigma lmao ikr? He’s almost there. So close

[@mynameisharry8739]

In the flashback young Mark hasn't developed his front teeth yet and it transitions to present Mark having those same teeth broken... That's such a great little detail

[@thejadedjester4935]

That's a good point, makes more sense why Omni-Man would think back to that time, messed up as it is in a way.

[@tehhoboking]

that was the whole point of the scene?

[@mynameisharry8739]

@@tehhoboking what is? The teeth?

[@ItsYuhBoyyyy]

@@mynameisharry8739 yea him seeing Mark with his teeth knocked out gave him flashbacks of when Mark was young without his front teeth

[@nicoc9360]

I was shook when Omni-Man threw that punch that literally changed the scenery from the drawn outskirts of a rural area to the photographed urban city. imagine getting hit so hard you change the animation style of the whole show

[@taigaseji]

When

[@nicoc9360]

@@taigaseji it's during episode 7 I'm p sure, look for when they go from the fields to downtown Chicago

[@artyb27]

@@taigaseji I think he's talking about 10 minutes into the finale, though I've just watched that scene again and there's no photo, just a hard cut.

[@phoebevaughan5095]

Omni Man is a great character - not just as a twist villain but as a tragic monster, too. Omni Man genuinely believes he's doing the right thing but has to commit horrific acts in order to achieve a perfect society. He clearly loves his wife and son but his twisted ideology overtakes his kinder side in brutal ways. Amazing, and J.K.Simmons deserves an award 😢

[@DoctorScienceMan]

"It has an adult Bobby Hill in it" Okay good, I wasn't the only one that thought that every time he was on screen.

[@TheGosgosh]

It’s 30 years later and that boy still ain’t right.

[@RemixerUltimate]

@@TheGosgosh now the boy ain't even there

[@tgr3423]

The sauce is he never actually FEELS like a villain. He feels like a lost, broken man deluding himself. It's great.

[@paquio100]

Oh boy are you gonna love what comes next

[@BalrogQuote]

@@paquio100 Read the comics too, I assume?

[@FelisImpurrator]

Isn't that what most villains are in real life?

[@tbestig4164]

I’d say his murder spree and fountains of blood are more than enough to make him feel like a villain

[@englishgiraffe2124]

Without spoiling the Comics, let's just say that Nolan/Omni-Man is one of the more nice Viltrumites, which says a lot about the species in general.

[@Triforce_of_Doom]

One thing I really love about the finale of the season is with JK Simmon's delivery, one could also see his lines about not really loving Debbie or Earth as him trying to convince HIMSELF

[@frankwest5388]

Here is another thing that makes Omni work as a twist villain. He is a great dad. Seriously, most of the time a character’s evilness gets teased by them being a just generally unpleasant guy. But Omni isn’t just nice to be around, he is caring, looks after his son and is an almost perfect mentor for Mark. This makes him incredibly likable and makes it so that the audience wants him to be good and coming up with mental justifications for what we know he has done. It also makes it hit even harder, when the true limits of his evil are revealed. It doesn’t conflict with his good sides, but because we know those are there, it hurts so much more

[@solaireofastora6118]

Can we get JK Simmons to play every psychopath villain, it’s a hell of a lot more intimidation with his voice

[@xconduitt2973]

Thanks to this movie and Whiplash I have an irrational fear of J.K Simmons... Like I’m sure he’s a great person, but the villains he plays are TERRIFYING.

[@shahanahsan05]

I love that dude,he’s wholesome,but I fear him after watching whiplash and this I fear that man/like the dude is scarier than Joe Pesci (that’s saying a lot)

[@michaeliobay82]

Just remember PICTURES OF SPIDERMAN then it's all good.

[@b3nl555]

I love it when nice people play the worst heartless fucking bastards in the universe

[@shahanahsan05]

@@b3nl555 that’s great Shit

[@yaboi2348]

Id also add that we as an audience didnt fully know if he was really evil or not until the end. The motive for killing the guardians was still unknown so we didnt know if what he did was for a good reason or not, and all the scenes of him being caring made us try to convince ourselves that he might actually be good in a way

[@hauwley]

You perfectly encapsulated how i felt about onmi man through out the show.

[@hoolybeer6866]

"What's 17 years!? I can just have another kid" hit harder than the train Edit: I wonder if they will make invincible 2 worse than ambers character development.

[@gorkemaykut5230]

That scene felt like he was talking to himself rather than mark Trying to convince himself that his feelings are worthless and all that matter is his loyalty, the moment when mark tells him that "I'll have you dad" breaks his resolve.

[@alehaider3886]

Görkem Aykut hell yeah!

[@funnyshovelman255]

The train didn’t even hit hard, Marks Body did

[@RukaGoldheart]

That was Nolan coping.

[@alehaider3886]

Ngl, Marks dad trains him hard

[@Maxophone_the_Saxophone]

7:12 still gets me the way the “Whaat thee fuuck” is slowed down

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

"This is TOTALLY what they mean when they say you have Emotional Beats in your story. THINK, MARK! _THINK!"_

[@slevinchannel7589]

Title: "Perfect Twist-Villain". Me, knowing how simple he/it is: "...Wow..."

[@snacherofbodies3819]

You Changed your profile pic!

[@ap1evideogame44]

Man I haven't seen you in the comments sections I see in quite a while! I was beginning to think we'd be mustacheless forever!

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

@@snacherofbodies3819 Always had this one.

[@alanuchiha]

@@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache cause you’re a fake

[@grantpeterson2524]

I very rarely cry in cinema… but when Mark said “You dad… I’d still have you”… that shit broke my heart. The one thing that Mark could’ve had left of his human experience hundreds of years later *could* have been his father, but Omni-Man realizes that he severed that connection.

[@jackofdiamonds7303]

The subway kills was the most brutal thing I’ve ever seen on a TV

[@auliamate]

Imagine Omni Man being the cop in Subway Surfers.

[@genevieveowusu885]

@@auliamate OH NO

[@michaelstrong5383]

I've watched Genndy Tartakovsky's Primal, and as much as I absolutely love that show too, the violence in Invincible makes that look like a papercut by comparison.

[@legoreddead]

Honestly man. I had to look away. It was just so messed up. I could handle everything else brutal. But that subway scene. Man.

[@janimates2204]

I must not have watched it properly bcs i swear theres been worse, idk what, but its weird seeing people saying its the most brutal

[@loganjackson675]

There’s one thing that really stands out to me that speaks to some of the understated genius of how they handled the twist and killing of the Guardians. As you said, they were able to deliver an unsettling and brutal moment that shocked the audience, while still leaving room for Omni Man’s brutality to peak at a later point. The thing that makes it even better, for me, is that it’s not just that he was brutal. They could’ve shown him thoughtlessly killing a human to have that effect. The wild thing, is that they were able to do this while taking out Omni man’s biggest threat on earth. With the guardians out of the way from the jump, there’s a sense of impending doom, and anxiety about who can actually stop Omni man. This just raises the stakes throughout the show, as we question Omni man’s motivations, and also gives us added investment into the progression of Mark and his ability. As someone who went into the show knowing nothing about the comics or the story, the entire time I was wondering, “is it possible that Omni Man was justified? And if not, who the hell is going to stop him?“ Without the early reveal and ambiguity of his motives, there wouldn’t be the same sense of urgency for Mark to become competent, which is even heightened by the fact that there are no Guardians left to fall back on for help