How is Sufism related to Islam?

Today we talk about an often asked question - what is the relatioship between Sufism and Islam? Are they the same thing or is there some difference?
Sources/Suggested Reading:
Karamustafa, Ahmet T. (2007). "Sufism: The Formative Period". Edinburgh University Press.
Knysh, Alexander (2017). "Sufism : A New History of Islamic Mysticism". Princeton University Press.
Malik, Jamal & John Hinnells (ed.) (2006). "Sufism in the West". Routledge.
Ridgeon, Lloyd (ed.) (2014). "The Cambridge Companion to Sufism". Cambridge University Press.
Van Bruinessen, Martin & Julia Day Howell (ed). (2007). "Sufism and the Modern in Islam". I.B. Tauris.
#Sufism #Islam #Mysticism

[@LetsTalkReligion]

CORRECTION of careless mistake on my part: Towards the end of the video when I talk about Sufism "arriving in Europe and North America", I mean specifically North/Western Europe. Indeed, Sufism and Islam has already existed in Europe for many centuries and in various places on the continent. I always try to be very careful not to contribute to the "West/(Middle)East" dichotomy, but here we are. So just keep that in mind throughout the video. Thank you to Angela for this wonderful collaboration! Check out her video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3a8gqN8ipWGn7M Support Let's Talk Religion on Patreon: www.patreon.com/letstalkreligion Or through a one-time donation: www.paypal.com/paypalme/letstalkreligion

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

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[@islamonlysolution461]

Sufisim is Islam today

[@mdsabahuddin8251]

@@islamonlysolution461Sufis are from the ahlul bidah. Their dancing won't benefit them on the day of judgement. May Allah guide them.

[@noorlita]

@@just_a_turtle_chad omg hi

[@SalH-sx3ip]

In every religion has their Sufisim.

[@SamoSamo7s7]

I’m a muslim and an Arab, and I find your videos on my religion more informative and easier to follow than Arabic sources. It’s really difficult to find unbiased material about Sufism; its supporters praise it while its opponents oppose it. Thank you very much for helping me finding my guidance and path. Love from Saudi.

[@IshtarLinqu]

Nupuqi Om-Re Khonectics chamber degrees will guide you

[@ahmedmusa7483]

Saudi people in sleep like kalf people

[@yojan9238]

Yes brother, two of the opponents of Sufism are always the family of Saud and the family of Alu Syaikh. The Neo-Pseudo-Salafi (Wahhabiyun) movements. In Mecca, the Jabal Abi Qubais (you know what happened to the site now) was one of the main center for the Naqshabandi Khalidi during the Uthmaniyyah and Banu Hashim era. Love from Malaysia.

[@celinesleiman6001]

Saudi is created by britain, it was Al Hijaz.

[@MohamedHassan-ni6un]

@Sam .... some of us have been here in the West for nearly 40 yrs. Not once in them long years did we witness a group of people so bent over backwards to please Christian whites as the Saudis (post King Faisal). Good luck, and good luck with MBS 👍🏿 🔪 I really mean it. May Allah give you what you long for.

[@OtakuBabiker]

Man, I'm not sure how you did it but your Arabic pronunciation is superb

[@LetsTalkReligion]

Thank you!

[@kkech1]

I think he has an Arab fiancé

[@tonybubutievski4288]

Right ???????? Lol 😂

[@darthbanana7]

@@kkech1 based and MENApilled

[@eagirl960]

Kras Keqi how do you know?

[@ahlulsuffiyah4888]

I am a proud convert To Sunni Sufi Islam, and I love all religions Simultaneously but I love my sweet Muhammad (May Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) so much ❤️

[@user-yv4mq3rc7c]

Convert?

[@esadcan7290]

@@user-yv4mq3rc7c Yeah convert/revert what are you creating drama about

[@AhmedMushtaq-ux9wu]

Masha Allah

[@soda_yoda3962]

Im 2 years late but may Allah bless you

[@user-gl3ig7fk9u]

The prophet predicted there would be over 70 sects. The important thing is to follow Quran, Hadith and the 5 pillars.

[@yahya105]

I was fortunate enough to encounter Dhikr within a Tariqa in Istanbul it opened my heart. I wept like a orphan being returned home. I was ignorant of so much, still so. I had been shown the gift that such a jewel sat within Islam. I struggled to resist this reality for three years faced with my own misconceptions and prejudices. If honest I worried about what my family would think. However Allah had offered me the straight path so my whole being was drawn like a moth to the lamps flame. 6 years ago I embraced Islam alhamdulillah. It was because of Sufism. As you allude to so much is hidden. JazaakAllah Khayran. I really value this channel. You in your part are shining a light into corners less illumunated.

[@canyildiz5966]

check out alevism, or alevilik in turkish

[@fariaeva232]

can i construct with you somehow?

[@subutaynoyan5372]

As a kemalist, enjoy it while it lasts, because Turkish youth will bring down those tariqats one way or another. Not because of religious reasons, we just hate them for sociopolitical reasons

[@subutaynoyan5372]

@@canyildiz5966 Pointless, you can't enter into an alevi community from outside. Kurdish ones are more loose about it, but they also are more zoroastronists, Turkish ones will straight up refuse to even include them

[@user-yp7ke4et7o]

@@canyildiz5966 disgusting sect.

[@GaaraNous]

Personally I prefer the term “dimension”: Sufism is a dimension of Islam, that focuses on intimate and immediate relationship between muslim and God, in which the practitioner of this approach developed various spiritual and esoteric practices that aim to achieve said relationship.

[@LetsTalkReligion]

Dimesion works too! The important part is to highlight how it has simply been seen as an essential part of Islamic practice that stands alongside the Shariah and other aspects.

[@oceanmachine1906]

There are three levels of Deen: Islam, Iman and Ihsan. Tasawwuf ("Sufism") explicitly focuses on Ihsan. The source is the Qur'an and the Sunnah. The subject of Ihsan is also featured in one of the most important Hadith in all of Islam : the Hadith of Gabriel.

[@popps33]

I agree. I also like to refer to it as a Tradition to.

[@Mwn123Y]

Jewish?

[@Fahad-gf1wx]

Did u watch sadhguru lol. Also are you suggesting Islam is not about building an intimate relationship with god . This false dichotomy of "sufism" and " Islam " is a product of colonialist and orientalist .

[@suspiciousmind192]

I was always interested in Sufism. As a Muslim myself, I had many misinformation about Sufism, Your video helped to know more truth about Sufism, Tnx dude!

[@magnus8704]

Want to know more about sufism? Just ignore wahhabis-salafis! Look for people like the great Imam Al-Ghazali, Sh. Abdal Hakim Murad, Umar Farooq Abdullah and so on...

[@suspiciousmind192]

​@@magnus8704 Yes brother, I totally agree with you. some Extremists and Fundamentalists are putting Sufism in threat, It's really sad that ummah can't understand the beauty of Islam and it's people. : (

[@z_tiger311]

@@suspiciousmind192 but not be misguided by innovative practices of sufism which has tons of shirk in it.

[@z_tiger311]

@@magnus8704 not all people who disagree with sufism are wahhabi or salafi even big Scholars of the past talked about the many misguidance & practices sufism has brought which leads to shirk the most unforgivable sin.

[@LetsTalkReligion]

Very glad to hear that I've provided a more balanced perspective!

[@adude8424]

My late grandma learned sufism. My grandma called it "Ilmu mengenal Tuhan (The knowledge of knowing God)" .

[@ennui-at-night]

Is it related to Shaikh Siti Jenar in any way? Our family learnt his sufism.

[@solelysoul8543]

Your grandmother spoke from EXPERIENCE a subject mutilated by scholarship. Ofcourse, she was correct.

[@solelysoul8543]

Your grandmother spoke from EXPERIENCE a subject mutilated by scholarship. Ofcourse, she was correct.

[@intrue5021]

Don't talk about what you don't know, know before to talk: Meditation kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZnEiJiCq6udrc0

[@SM-zl4zd]

@@highlightsmma7813 saysTheNastyShiaWhoClaimsThatTheQuranIsIncomplete,CussesOutTheGreatestSahabisAndDepictsTheProphetPbuhAsAMisguidedFool.

[@QuranicIslam]

👍 wow! ... As someone from a traditional Sufi background, lived and grew up in the West seeing it there, and have lived in countries like Saudi Arabia, very anti-Sufi, and Sudan, very pro-Sufi, AND someone who is very educated on this topic as both insider practioner and academically inclined and well-read ... this video is spot on. Very well done. As I listened in my mind would enter some aspect to this question, only for you to address it a min or two later. 👏 👏 👏

[@mohamednajibhamdi4195]

@البتّار الازدي buddy there no wahabi who respect sufism

[@mohamednajibhamdi4195]

@البتّار الازدي ok men if it is true () very well then youre good

[@anwarsofian354]

@البتّار الازدي I am a Sufi descendant who spread Islam in the Indonesian Archipelago, Sufi teachings prioritized Humanity and adaf Sheikh Abdul Qodir Jailani I value baradap people more than people Knowledgeable

[@anwarsofian354]

@البتّار الازدي smart people don't necessarily have أدب

[@jdlc903]

Sudan is pro sufi?

[@mjr_schneider]

Literally any ancient mystical religious tradition: *exists New Age hipsters: "It's free real estate."

[@henriquedias3431]

Just look at what they do with kabalah lmfao I hate it

[@oneing4206]

@@henriquedias3431 Kabbala is polytheism anyway

[@henriquedias3431]

@@oneing4206 what?? no, no it isn't. It's jewish mysticism, there aren't any other gods in Judaism.

[@oneing4206]

@@henriquedias3431 they believe in 1 einsof, 10 divine sefirots and 10 divine qliphoth making it 21 divine beings or gods. They will use similar arguments like Christians. Clear polytheism. They have an angel they call “little YHWH” and say that god cries...And god cries in a separate room so the angels won’t see him...Islam seems to be the only real monotheistic religion because I think that the majority of rabbis accept this blasphemy

[@henriquedias3431]

@@oneing4206 lmfao, of course, you're not Jewish otherwise you wouldn't believe such bullshit. The sefirot are different aspects of the same G-d. I'd suggest you researched Kabalah from Jewish sources. No one prays to sefirot as Christians pray to Jesus. And I have never heard about this angel madness you just said, if you want to know about Kabalah ask kabbalists.

[@samals6454]

Due to the ease of access to information and the availability of classical texts, and the general rise in literacy, you're also starting to see the rise of what is called "Individual Sufism" so to speak. Instead of adhering to a specific Tariqa and practicing it in a communal way, people are reading the classic Sufi texts like Ghazali, Junayd, and Al-Nawawi on their own and trying to implement it in their lives. In light of the general individualistic trends of the modern age, Sufism is starting to be adapted to become more individualistic as well.

[@LetsTalkReligion]

Very good observation and point!

[@imran4006]

No individual can become a Perfect Sufi unless he takes Bayah (initiation) in hands of an Accomplished Sufi Master.

[@ABOUCAY]

@@imran4006 Maybe, but there is nothing bad to try...:)

[@chehrazadeesmey8399]

@@ABOUCAYlmran4006 seems to know very well what he is talking about...sufism is indeed a way of living, and i think some people may very well live that way without even knowing that they are applying sufi principles, and i think that, apart from the ritual prescriptions, one does not need to be muslim to have or adopt these principles which are universal. But sufism is not ONLY a way of living, it is, in its absolute sens, THE way, unknown to the one who never took it, and it cannot be taken unless one is " moulded" by a master-the guide...at some point, when he is ready, he will fly like a free bird, free from the moulding of his master, free from himself. All the work and the aim of the guide is to make sure his disciple take that fly and be the free bird. We cannot do it alone.

[@tstarr8314]

@@imran4006 No Sufi would ever describe themselves as the Perfect Sufi

[@CChissel]

I just found your channel yesterday and I wish I had found it earlier. Years ago I read a book by Frederick Spiegelberg called Living Religions of the World, and it completely changed my view on religion, spirituality and the world in general. Since then I now love learning about religions and comparative religious studies is what I’m really interested in. Sufism was talked about a great deal in the book and was really fascinating, but with this video you’ve helped me understand it so much more. Great channel, I’ll be binging all these videos.

[@aysenur6761]

When I first learned English and expand the resources I can consume, it was so shocking to see that there are many different kinds of approaches in and towards sufism. Growing up in Turkey, it was very usual watching sema and circular zikr, listening to sufi music and going full spiritual even as a child lol. In Anatolian understanding, Islam embraces Sufism and eventhough the tariqas and their reputation are weaker in today's society, old sufi traditions and figures are highly respected by religious folks here. Then oneday I was blaimed for being a "sufi heretic" by another muslim on the internet and went "(•o•)"

[@saidhashi2856]

Its better to adhere to the Quran and the Sunna of the prophet as much as possible instead of trying to copy or follow a certain group; be it Sufism, Salafisism or any other strand of Islam. Forming religious groupings and saying ours is the only way is forbiden in the Quran ( read surat ruum). God bless u siz wherever u are.💚

[@box5319]

@@saidhashi2856 but how can we follow the prophet yet we didn't saw him.all we have with us is information.when one try to act on information s/he gathered, you end up branded a particular sect.for instance, we have been told how the prophet prayed,meditated and cried to his god.if today I'm found meditating and crying, I will be branded suufi..the same people who make trillions of dollar from Muslims across the globe who go to meka to see the grave of the prophet are the same one calling us grave worshippers.. If going to grave is shirk, why don't saudi (Allah's secretary on universe)ban Muslim from visiting prophet grave?because they bring dollar

[@ayseyilmaz3910]

@@box5319 at first they wanted to demolish them all.

[@box5319]

@@ayseyilmaz3910 I ascribe to Islamic faith and belong to suufi sect.I don't see Saudi as Islamic state,neither do I recognize wahabis as Muslim.I'm proud African man from Kenya and not looking forward to go to Saudi, not even for hajj or umrah.I don't want my money to enrich MBS. He is a Sionist and wolves in muslim attire.

[@ayseyilmaz3910]

@@box5319 may God be with you brother.

[@liyura8907]

masha'allah, filip has uploaded once again, we have truly been blessed.

[@skyofwisdom]

This was a very important and much needed video. Thank you for this. 🙏🏻

[@yvonnethompson8758]

thank you for this you always make such wonderful informative shows.

[@MaskofAgamemnon]

Okay, can't deny it anymore, your channel is excellent. Subscribed. Will definitely recommend.

[@jubairuddinarman6691]

What a video! Thanks for the research. Salaam from Bangladesh

[@johntaylor9381]

This is a good channel. Thanks for all the work you put in.

[@usman5140]

My father was a prominent Sufi Shaykh here in the United States, but he raised us more in line with traditional Sunni teaching/practices. He was heavily involved before I was born and when I was mostly too young to remember. I regret not asking him more on the subject.

[@lukejones7164]

The idea that Sufism is foreign to Islam is an Orientalist and Western Colonialist myth. In reality almost every Sunni jurist and imam prior to Modern times was also a Sufi.

[@lukejones7164]

@HORUS Its a proven documented historical fact, the only folks who deny it are delusional Salafis, New Agers and Islamophobes in general. Even the likes of Ibn Taymiyyah (a lifelong member of the Qadri sufi order) was no exception.

[@aid2629]

@HORUS as a Sunni Turk, do you follow any mazhab?

[@mosaiciron]

I have a question: if there are both Sunni and Saudi Sufis... why has the Sufi tradition not united Islam? Respectfully, M.

[@lukejones7164]

@@mosaiciron Because it's completely impossible to unite an entire religion after its founder dies.

[@matiaq2629]

@@mosaiciron What do you mean by "Saudi Sufis"? Wahhabists hate sufism

[@hasaansobaan5374]

This is literally the most comprehensive video I've seen on the topic so far!!

[@ranro7371]

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[@ravisekharreddy9783]

0h.

[@drangelapuca]

What a fantastic video, Filip! Thank you for doing this collaboration, I truly enjoyed working with you. :-)

[@Fear_ALLAH_and_speak_the_Truth]

Those who believe that GOD come to earth in human form of saints (piirs)/imam mahdi/prophets/kalki avatar/messiah are going to be deceived by the antichrist (dajjal) ? Will they consider him as the return of the mystical sufi Mansoor hallaj with mighty power possibly to take revenge against the true believers (Muslims) of Islam as hallaj told his followers that he would come back after his death...

[@alfiismail1970]

Thank you for filling up the thirst for explanation. Much obliged to have actually watched this. Alhamdulillah 🌷

[@garimasadh5406]

you have taught me so much, thank you so much for your efforts❤️

[@DivineSource444]

Another great video! Thank you Filip! Have a great week!

[@nazk5478]

This is a very complex and nuanced subject and you have covered it in a refreshingly unbiased manner.

[@unintentionallydramatic]

Yes hello. Binging your videos rn. Contnet (great but we know that both aside) I really ADORE how much your production values are increasing. As well as your talking style. Also personal style.

[@ruud8541]

Thank you for this video. Very interesting stuff, well edited and articulated and you've made it very comprehensible.

[@yqafree]

So happy you've made this!

[@napadpanike2183]

I have discovered your channel aprox. a week ago, all i can say keep going, elhamdulilah!

[@tonybubutievski4288]

Same here!!!!!!!!

[@theplotarmoredtitan5781]

'A'lhamdulillah

[@meemee9302]

@@theplotarmoredtitan5781 not a spelling test

[@russellhoban2803]

so helpful - great to get this historical perspective and so helpful to place Sufism into a greater picture. Thank you for such good research and backgrounding.

[@markjohnson543]

An excellent presentation. i learned a great deal. I am happy to watch more of your informative and seemingly unbiased videos.

[@ZeeHilal]

You need to have your own show on tv. This is such good research and it is explained quite accurately in my opinion

[@justinbirkholz7814]

The history of Sufism is so complex I find it really fascinating. Your videos are incredible and I have learned so much from them. Thank you. It also warmed my heart to see Inayat Khan and Pir Zia included here. The teachings and practices of the Inayatiyya are some of my favorite in the entire history of mysticism.

[@Nuruddin_0]

What country are you from?

[@justinbirkholz7814]

@@Nuruddin_0 The United States. Luckily there are a couple of active Sufi orders here. I hope to be initiated soon!

[@Nuruddin_0]

@@justinbirkholz7814 wow that's great, what orders of Sufism have you come across so far 🤷‍♂️

[@justinbirkholz7814]

@@Nuruddin_0 the two that I am familiar with are the Inayatiyya, which is Chishti, and the Bawa Muhaiyaddeen Fellowship, which is Qadiri. They both have a lot of literature available as well as online programs anyone can attend. I even have a piece of artwork from Bawa in my entry.

[@interestinglife5994]

@@justinbirkholz7814 Bro whats the image of shia islam in west I know its bad due to iran but I want to know it from american.

[@blixten2928]

Your videos are brilliant. Not only an excellent lecturer, but you take all the trouble to provide us with gorgeous and informative slides. My husband and I are your total fans.

[@Giganfan2k1]

Than you so much for shouting out Angela's Symposium. Mad respect for everything.

[@clickchick6861]

Finally! Someone talking about religion! Best channel ever

[@aman_01ahmad33]

ikr

[@mosamaster]

Brother, your knowledge on religions are just amazing. Keep spreading the information.

[@laylakukkola1699]

Thank you so much for the information you share. I love this channel.

[@johndavies1336]

Thanks for your cogent historical and contemporary account of Sufism. I hope you can continue with further video’s on this important evolution of Islam ♦️♦️♦️

[@moby786]

Oh man you showed Shaykh Ahmed Al Alawi. I’m a mureed from the Shaykhs tarika but took the tarika from someone else in his chain. The Shadhili tarika. “Tarika tul shukr” as Shadhili’s call it. The tarika of thankfulness. By the way I’m extremely impressed with your research. Well done.

[@madoo8911]

Machallah, how clear is your presentation about sufism like a water from the rock. I bear witness to the veracity of your knowledge of religion specifically when it comes to islam. an amazing religion. it is just difficult to not count you as a muslim. Whatever what you practice, we muslim are proud of your teachings, and encourage by the way,,God bless!!

[@luckyxpunk]

INSHA ALLAH ONE DAY OUR BROTHER WILL ACCEPT ISLAM. ALL HE NEED IS SYAHADAH.

[@zaidal-hindawi1784]

Do not confuse knowledge with faith. Just because he has vast knowledge of a religion and speaks about it respectfully doesn’t mean he believes in it personally. He is an academic. A very intelligent and respectful academic.

[@circleddot6127]

Great Channel ! I wish you the fortune you deserve!

[@tazerman1977]

thank you so much for this. amazing channel !

[@whootoo1117]

Wow, very deep and scholarly work! I really liked that this a clear and objective way of looking at sufism. I'm honoured to watch this video and your other videos with highest attention. I really love your works in general.

[@mikemike7096]

Your knowledge in this matter is great I think you will be one of the best professors in the world teaching these subjects

[@raylightbown4968]

Filip, I find your videos very interesting and informative. You come across as both scholarly and conducting yourself according to Jantelagen. You quietly impress me.

[@Sammybizness]

Thanks for all the videos, I really enjoy learning new things.

[@fasihsheikh6727]

As a person who doesn't understand the ways of worship in Islam, this video was extremely enlightening and opened my eyes, I asked my father about our religious practises and he proudly guided me towards their historic sufi practises. However, there's always been contention in Pakistan and Islamic scholars on whether Wahabism or Sufism is the right way of worship. I would love to see you do a video on Wahhabism next.

[@duaspontes3716]

Hey, your videos are really great and very informative! I was wondering, have you ever considered making videos on Alevis/Alevism?

[@intellimenk9338]

I must say you are honest in finding facts keep it up my bro. May GOD guide you and your channel subscribers. Aameen.

[@mohamedfahimsaidoo4269]

Brilliant explanation. Balanced discussion backed up with facts 👌 💯 % . Thank You very much . Salaam from South Africa 🇿🇦 🌍

[@ZimmTheGoalie]

Could you possibly do a deeper dive into Salafism and Wahhabism please? People tend to throw those terms around, but I'm not sure many people actually know what they represent. Keep up the great content!

[@hassymiia6267]

Kind of Same thing. Salafis were early group. Wahabis follow similar but maybe few differences

[@mariaj.2593]

Wahabbism is a part of Salafism. Wahabbis are Salafi but not all Salafis are wahabbi

[@miralabualjadail4206]

@@mariaj.2593 correct

[@lawlietlawliet]

@@mariaj.2593 Ash’aris would disagree, since most wahhabis would do takfir on sufis and other groups. But wahhabis do admit that salahiddin was an Ash’ari, yet it’s contradictory that that won’t consider Ash’aris Muslims.

[@xander583]

Wahhabism is a term used by those who reject the Quran and Sunnah(if they even know it) and follow their whims and desires. Abu Bakr As-Siddiq (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: "O you people! You recite this Verse: 'O you who believe! Take care of your ownselves. If you follow the (right) guidance [and enjoin what is right (Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do) and forbid what is wrong (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden)] no hurt can come to you from those who are in error.' (5: 105) But I have heard Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) saying: "When people see an oppressor but do not prevent him from (doing evil), it is likely that Allah will punish them all." [Abu Dawud and At-Tirmidhi]. Riyad as-Salihin 197

[@afrozzz5634]

As a Sufi Sunni Muslim, Ive always been offended by people believing that Islam and Sufism are two different things. I'm bookmarking this video for later:)

[@khan7032]

please let me know more resources to learn about sufism! i’ve been struggling w my relationship with islam but i think i just need a new perspective. sufism seems so beautiful to me.

[@ismael6365]

Bidah is haram

[@greentube1357]

​​​​@@khan7032 I've been seeing broh sides salafi movement and sufi yes u are right salafi seen dominating every where but still they got exposed may times.. but still I have taken knowledge from my parents read life of sheik qadir jeelani ra he is ahlul bait both sides and read imam Al ghazali.

[@greentube1357]

​@@khan7032 also you can follow shayk asrar he is great sufi scholar..

[@danijelakelava6602]

Thank You very much for Your beautiful aspect. Thank You, my dear friend. It was full of the insight. Beautiful music. From the bottom of my heart, thank you very much.

[@arirobles6326]

I love your channel bro Keep up that good work Cheers

[@jennieohk6911]

I absolutely LOVE your videos! It's so very enlightening and I cant seem to get enough education about the nuances of Islam... I see such beauty and love in the Islamic people I have met throughout my life and no 2 people have quite the same philosophy its piqued my curiosity of late and now I'm determined to get a basic understanding of this very diverse and complicated religion. Frankly I'm ashamed I didn't know more than I did.

[@RachaelMarieNewport]

I have see several translated poems of Rumi and they are beautiful and incredibly deep and wise as well as spiritual. I love them.

[@tonomamoueinai5067]

A tunisian brother used some classic Sufi poetry to produce music!his name is yussef dhafer.his music is so deep and spititual like a missing link on how to communicate to Allah...

[@corneliuscorcoran9900]

As a non-believer in any theology, I find most religious belief and practice, somewhere from silly (like the 'scholars' above arguing about what is monotheistic, they seem only a step away from querying how many angels can dance on a pinhead), to repugnant (eternal damnation, the death penalty, or 'the prosperity gospel'), however reading Rumi almost made me want to be a believer. I have never read anything religious or otherwise that overflowed with and radiated such utter joy.

[@Fear_ALLAH_and_speak_the_Truth]

Do you know why it's taught that to be a Christian you need to keep repeating that Jesus is God? And why irani shia-rafizi says that Ali (R:) is God? And why pir-sufi says that to reach the highest level of spirituaity you need to repeat that 'I'm God and prostrate to me' like irani shia Sufi monsor hallaj (pir of dewbondi, tableeghi Jamaat, berelvi (Rizvi)? Because anti-christ dajjal will say that "I'am god/beggten son of God & prostrate to me! True Muslims will reject anti-christ for blaspheming (death penalty by TRUE GOD's Law for claiming such divinity) Because Eesa messiah (Alaihissalam) and Ali (R) never said that 'I am god or worship me.' Because Our beloved Prophet (ﷺ) never said that “I am GOD or prostrate to me!" May ALLAH Almighty protect us from this antichrist (dajjalik) fitna. Aameen Do you know why it's taught that To reach the highest level of spirituaity one needs to keep repeating that 'I'm God and prostrate to me' like the irani shia Sufi monsor hallaj (pir of dewbondi,tableeghi, berelvi,rizvi? Because anti-christ dajjal will say that "I'am god & prostrate to me! True Muslims will reject anti-christ for blaspheming (death penalty by TRUE GOD's laws) Because Our beloved Prophet (ﷺ) never said that “I am GOD or prostrate to me! Rather our beloved Prophet (ﷺ) said Do not exaggerate status of the Prophet: Umar ibn al-Khattab reported: The Messenger (ﷺ) of ALLAH, said, “Do not exaggerate my praises as the Christians have done with the son of Mary. Verily, I am only a servant, so refer to me as the servant of ALLAH and his messenger.” Source: S‌ah‌i‌h‌ al-Bukha‌ri‌ 3261 Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Bukhari abd - ullah is also mentioned in Isaiah 42 (Bible) Isaiah 42:1- Here is my servant (abd - ullah), whom I uphold my chosen one (Mustafa) in whom I delight (Habibullah’); I will put my Spirit on him, and he (Prophet Muhhammad) will bring justice to the nations. Those shia,Dewbondi,berelvi (Rizvi) pirs of tableeghi Jamaat who believe that Irani shia Sufi mansoor hallaj's 3rd eye was opened by claiming to be God/worshiped at the highest level of spirituality are going to be deceived by the antichrist (dajjal). The return of Mystical Sufi Hallaj with mighty power as he said to his followers that he would come back after his death possibly to take revenge against the true believers (Muslims) of Islam! May Almighty ALLAH protect us from this antichrist dajjalik fitna Aameen. Hindus as well as christians believe that their god come to earth in human form to be deceived by antichrist (dajjal). Because most of them worship material things (money,powers,names, fames, worldly things etc.). They (Hindus Buddhists, christians,saints, kabbalah Jews) also worship Jin Satan to open their 3rd eye! Christianity= Hinduism Denomination= Caste Trinity= Trimurti Both venerate a man as god to be deceived by antichrist Both are pagans Both were lies and scams by satan May Almighty ALLAH protect us from this antichrist dajjalik fitna Aameen. Persian Shia sufi Husain bin Monsoor Hallaj also used to worship jin saytan to open his 3rd eye and he was possessed by the dev-ill (devi-iil) that's why these blasphemous words “anal haq (I’m truth/god) and prostrate to me” were coming out from the mouth of mansur hallaj. kabbaah Jews, Illuminati & Freemasons, polytheists Christian saints, Buddhists monks, Hindu pandits, Persian shia sufi, Dewbondi, tableeghi Jamaat, berelvi (Rizvi) pirs and Satanists also worship jin shaytan through meditation to open 3rd eye in order to feel God by reaching the highest level of spirituality. May Almighty ALLAH protect us from this antichrist dajjalik fitna Aameen.

[@RachaelMarieNewport]

@@Fear_ALLAH_and_speak_the_Truth I am not a Christian, I am Pagan.

[@zaidal-hindawi1784]

@@Fear_ALLAH_and_speak_the_Truthyou are a dejjal, saying that meditation is worshipping Jin Shaytan😂 As for the freemasons and the Illuminati, they know more than you will EVER know in your lifetime!

[@youssraelkhoulali8147]

Your channel is gold . Glad I found it.

[@ajeebkahani007]

Beautifully presented. I wanted to find out the difference and you explained it well!

[@greatdslayarr]

Since you mentioned something like ancient tradition in this video, it would be very interesting to see you cover Perennialist Traditionalist philosophy, especially since one of its main members, Rene Guenon, was very interested in Sufism and later converted to Islam.

[@greatdslayarr]

I should've finished the video before I posted this! But it would still be interesting to see a full video on the subject

[@jared3370]

People like you make me fall in love with spiritual studies in a totally new way. Thank you

[@truthseeker3740]

Well researched video. Thank you!

[@Uzair_Of_Babylon465]

Fantastic video keep it up your doing amazing job.

[@malikialgeriankabyleswag4200]

Thanks for this video! I'm Algerian and grew up in "sufi" traditions but we follow Maliki fiqh and I never knew I belonged to any of these groups until we moved to the West, I thought I was just... Muslim lol.. Thank you for making it clear that these catagories are all kinda imposed from the outside in, and a lot of the time by some osmosis they seem to make their way to the inside lol

[@malikialgeriankabyleswag4200]

@ay Tobi Yesss akhi Abd al-Qadir is one of my favourite humans of all time lol! Almost finished his Kitaab al-Rouh (I have only found a reducted compilation tho:/).. Thanks for your words we love you as our countryman too and long live Iraq!

[@madXfad3542]

I see myself and many people in subsaharan africa in your comment. As far as i see the majority of people here are sufis ie members of a tariqa. Either following the muridya of cheik ahmadou bamba, tidjania, qadrya under a malikite jusprudence. What is new to us and the rest of the world is the salafi and wabit ideologies. I dare to say that if it was just iman and islam, our religion would not reach all corner of the world. It is the iman, islam, and iqsaan that give our religion all of its beauty to be able to attract people. Please study the writings of cheikh ahmadou bamba. You will realise his version of tassauf is the original suna of the prophet muhamad as lived by the sahaba.

[@malikialgeriankabyleswag4200]

@@madXfad3542 Brother there is something that happened in the 1800s. I'm not sure why but there began the Zionist movement which wanted of course to colonize Palestine, these people like the Rothschilds and other groups across the world wanted this, and they lobbied Britain and America etc to negotiate the mandate from the Ottomans (Which were Sufi), and they refused.. Some world wars later and the British government props up Wahabism and the Saud family which declared Sufism as kuufur and their books made it halal to war against the Ottomans, until they were beaten and Palestine fell to the British mandate.. These Wahabi books would not exist without British funding of the Saud family and Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab, and they really spread harder when the CIA promoted them so that the Afghans would fight the soviets.. Islam was systematically weakened and it will be naturally reversed

[@malikialgeriankabyleswag4200]

@@madXfad3542 The big problem now is the natural rejection of these Wahabi doctrines, and the coming of athiesm and Nihilism which will destroy all of our nations. We have to bring back true Islam and show it as an alternative to our youth which will lose their Deen if we don't.. And if they lose their Deen they will become slaves to imperialists because Islam is THE strongest force against Tyranny

[@ratishkalia2428]

@@malikialgeriankabyleswag4200 Subhanallah Brother. You have created a hope in me. I am from non-muslim family. To be honest, Sufism brings me towards islam. But the Sufism I studied was neither too soft nor too hard. I studied Muhammad Iqbal. I am really influenced by him. I really think that true way to understand islam is through Tasawwuf. I sometimes think about sufi way interpreting of quran but I have not get to that level yet. However as a South Asian Seeker of knowledge of Deen-e-Islam I recommend you to at least once read verses written by Muhammad iqbal. He was influenced disciple of Maulana Rumi (Rehamatullah Aleh)

[@tasami]

I appreciate your work it's so refreshing to see an objective view about Sufism and I think this the most accurate perspective I saw from an outsider and even from most disciples. but there are some points I want to share . Sufism is what u can call a right path practices of channeling energy or "god light" but Islam is the middle path of the same practices. and like any esoteric rituals, it can go wrong really fast and that's why in this age Sufism becomes kinda look at as superstition or dangerous because over time you can see the rise of some teachers claiming holiness and prophecy. and u can't be a sufi without being a Muslim but sufism is like any other esoteric practice. the one difference is that u do it to know god and not for any other reason. " intention " in Islam is the most important thing in any action. thank you again for this research

[@abbas9037]

I have been listening to quite some time.I am really admired to your knowledge and presentation of very different and difficult topics of religion.

[@Carlos44]

Excellent analysis and response to the question you pose. Perhaps in the future you might identify those individuals pictured that seem central to explicating your topic, for example Frithjof Schuon and Llewellyn Vaughn-Lee, whose unnamed faces appeared as you were exploring your question.

[@guruladakhi416]

I think Sufism is one of the most benign forms of Islam that tries to address the heart of the matter doing away with much of the Arabic cultural baggage. A very educative video.

[@digilyd]

Another well explaining video, thank you!

[@Sirius263]

Thank you. It was interesting to note that there seems to be flexibility and complexity with Sufism. I am just embarking on a journey to explore Islam and Sufism and this video identified the tributaries I am likely to encounter on this journey. I will also check out Angela's work here too. Thank you for the link and your work. I will work on a couple of courses on FutureLearn in connection with Edinburgh University. I have always been a lover of Rumi's work. As a former award-winning poet of many years under a different name, and a soul that is naturally curious about all religions and beliefs I tend to be Omniest, I think the word is? But in searching for the voice that gently brushes my soul, Sufism certainly does that.

[@vcrsalesman2606]

The thing about the question “did it exist before” is that every idea has a history.

[@dorian4646]

Wow from someone who always does Dhikr , I didn't know that it originated from Sufism! Nice to know!

[@johnfarley4201]

Brilliant summarisation. Thank you very much.

[@OmerAlamgir]

Really enjoyed this video....very well researched and unbiased

[@TheCrazyrocker93]

As an Arab I appreciate how you pronounce our words accurately ❤️

[@dmendez4741]

There are too many dialects to ever pronounce an arab word "correctly", including "dialects" that are mutually unintelligible

[@mohdebrahim4572]

@@dmendez4741 regardless if you can pronounce letters clearly it's enough,, all other dialects just a matter of different words and sound nothing special, and the way he speaks is classic formal arabic which every arab country use in news/books/letters/formal occasions so the way he speaks isn't limited to a specific region but the whole language clearly..

[@hadikassar4046]

I wish you had arabic subtitles, i'd love to share this with a bunch of people!

[@ludovicodemolina]

if you have a computer you can head to the settings a make captions for the video yourself

[@kmmmsyr9883]

@@ludovicodemolina As I remember, KZbin removed community created subtitles.

[@ludovicodemolina]

@@kmmmsyr9883 Man. It's been ages since I've used non-mobile youtube... i guess i didn't know

[@Flux_Zero]

I initially came across Sufism through Gurdjieff and through the enneagram. I only am now almost a decade later, delving further into established spirituality. Thanks for this amazing community of KZbinrs/philosophers/teachers!

[@UmerulFahad]

Love you man, keep it up, lets talk religion ❤️

[@Leilabenguirat]

Hello, thank you for sharing this great content 🙏 Most of those who seperate Sufism from Islam are attempting to deny the profound spirituality of islam and the beauty of its universal message, reducing it to dogma and intolerance.

[@mebtor]

Very true. Until I discovered the contents of this KZbin channel, I was under the impression that Islam was a religion completely void of spirituality, that it was only about moral policing, do's and dont's, as well as an obsessive concern with all sorts of sanctimonious symbols. One could even be forgiven for thinking Islam was nothing more than a competition in who can grow the longest beard :) But after watching several videos such as the one above, I've come to realise that Islam has a rich and varied spiritual tradition. It makes me wonder: why do we see so little of it in mainstream islam today? It seems like the Salafis and the Brotherhood have taken complete ownership of the religion. At least their version of it is what most people see and think of when they hear the word Islam.

[@rajababy2009]

There is spirituality in Quran and Sunnah , So there is no need to devised our Own ways to Worship GOD if We took ALLAH SWT and prophet Muhammad Pbuh as prophet then no one is above them So we need to stick to Prophet Muhammad pbuh way to Worship ALLAH or we will end up like Christian and others who consider their intellect to worship ALLAH SWT and got deviated and if you read this Sufis Books and compare them with Quran i am Challenging you that you will found it a different religion , Here we have problem with Sufism If any one come to me By his Own method of Wronging ALLAH SWT i would not take him serious as Muslims because in ISLAM we have Quran ANd Prophet Muhammad Pbuh to teach us how to Worship ALLAH SWT , and Not some Sufi

[@teukufadel8293]

@@mebtor this is the first time that i hear someone says the Ikhwanul muslimin "taking over the religion" or whatsoever

[@mebtor]

@@teukufadel8293 Well, there's a first time for everything. :)

[@Leilabenguirat]

@@rajababy2009 Coran was "collected" and reorganised decades after the death of the prophet, and it is the same with the Hadith, no one understands which versions were kept, and which were erased forever. We also don't understand why surats are not written in a chronological way, only creating confusion. The coran is holy, but the coran book is a POLITICAL and human production. Most muslim theologians and thinkers have been debating these topics, in the first centuries of islam. Then, we fell into ignorance, passivity, and dogmatism. This is a huge loss to islam and its core message of love and peace. It is a sad evolution, not forward, but backward.

[@sagaramskp]

Nice informative video. Should have mentioned the concept of Awliyah and the likes of Abdul Qadar jeelani , and the influence of Sufis on local non Muslim population in yester years. Esp in India. Plz make another one on Awliyah and Wilayat

[@sagaramskp]

It's said tat Mughal emperor Akbar was a follower of Sufi Khwaja moinudeen Chisti of Ajmer. And Ottomans patronaged Naqshabandi tariqa.

[@Alamgir-ri6px]

@@sagaramskp all mughal emperors were followers of Khwaja Saheb. Akbar and Shah Jehan used to go Ajmer byfoot from Agra and Delhi. Aurangzeb was a Naqshbandi sufi. Ahmed Sirhindi of naqshbandi order who lived during the time of Akbar was one of the most important saint of Naqshbandi order who influenced whole islamic world.

[@maxtyson9035]

Nice video brother.

[@mannymanito1787]

yes, it did clear my mind on some aspects. thank you

[@mfb311]

I'd recommend: Before Sufism by Christopher Melchert

[@Agogogogogogkglgkfndjesk]

Sufism has had the biggest influence on me in my spiritual and personal journey. Please make more videos about Sufism!

[@sniffingdogartofficial7257]

Ahhh, I was wondering if you were going to mention the influence on Gurdjieff towards the end, hahah. Another great video.

[@saybman7976]

I found your channel a few days ago and I must say I am impressed by your videos, your understanding of the subject matter and your objective approach. Although, in your today's video I found a small thing that I believe is incorrect. Iqbal was never anti-sufism, he only criticised a few aspects of his contemporary sufis, which pretty much has been part of Sufism itself from the start. His criticism was constructive in nature and not only this, as you mentioned, he himself was inspired by sufis (of the past) many of which he praised in his poetry. In fact, many consider him to be a Sufi himself.

[@MysteriousMiddleEast]

This was a surprisingly balanced video. I’ve noticed a lot of people try to separate Sufism from Islam, when it is essentially at the core of the religion, so this was refreshing. Unfortunately the problem with it as a separate entity essentially comes down to two things IMO. First is the label of ‘mysticism’ attached to it, implying that “mainstream Islam” for lack of a better term, is devoid of spirituality and is just a set of rules, regulations and rituals, which it is not. It’s a bad application/translation of the term taswwuf. When we pray as Muslims, it is that sincere spiritual connection to Allah that makes the prayer, not just our proficiency in reciting the Quran etc. The second issue many Muslims (including myself) have with ‘Sufism’ is bid’a or innovation. Sufis 100% qualify as Muslims because they believe in the Oneness of God and His prophet sws, no matter how many people say otherwise. Unfortunately the sticking point for many is that they appear to have added extra religious practices to their prayer, which is a serious no no in the religion. To innovate Islam beyond what Mohammed (sws) has developed is considered a major sin. Ultimately however, every Muslim that practices their faith beyond just going through the daily rituals and motions, and instead develops a tangible relationship with God and a sincere belief in His ‘supernatural’ relevance in their life is in essence Sufi like. This isn’t ‘mysticism’, this is Islam. Btw, I’m not an scholar of religion or whatever myself, but I am a fully practicing Muslim (a normal regular Sunni) who is also constantly examining the faith on an intellectual and spiritual level... so for sure there will be others who disagree with me.

[@ConsciousHumanity1111]

Traditional “Islam” teaches one deity that’s separate ...it’s just the way it’s taught to people Sufi teaches there is only Allah La ilaha ilallah There is no deity Only Allah

[@Dharmicaction]

@@thetruthuntold9642 onlyness vs oneness can u define onlyness?

[@ihab2002ahmad]

Dude I love your channel but I honestly had no idea you were muslim. You mention the quran and other muslim sources but I always thought you were a secular arab/middle easterner. Anyways I'm still loving your channel and it's content. Have you done a video on the black stone and it importance in arabic paganism and if the black stone of kaba was taken to rome during the reign of emperor elagabalus?

[@drcoco2k]

@@ihab2002ahmad Filip isn't Muslim, but Sufism is his forte.

[@ihab2002ahmad]

@@drcoco2k I know. I'm saying i had no idea mysterious middle east was muslim.

[@justahumanbeing.709]

No mention of Idries Shah. He did a lot to make Sufism known from the 60's onwards and he shook up and annoyed the academic scholars of Sufism! He lived in England most of his life.

[@LetsTalkReligion]

Only have so much time! ;)

[@carlgrove8793]

I was thinking the same thing. The Sufis traditionally have just one publicly known teacher in any generation, and Idries Shah built upon the work of his father, Ikbal Ali Shah, in bringing Sufi thinking to the West. He wrote over 30 books which together constitute a complete course aimed primarily at the Western student, comprising extensive quotes from classical Sufi figures as well as original teaching stories. His work can be read online at The Idries Shah Foundation website.

[@justahumanbeing.709]

@@carlgrove8793 Hi Carl, yes, true. I've read most of his books. Took me a long time to appreciate his work and i still don't totally understand all of it now as i'm a bit thick!! Do you know what his brother, Omar Ali Shah's, books are like? His son Arif, does Sufi teachin now i think. Quite a productive family!! Tahir and Saira also have written good books.

[@carlgrove8793]

@@justahumanbeing.709 It probably took me a lot longer, I started back in 1974. But eventually the whole thing came together, on one level at least -- and you do need to read all of his books, and most of the Octagon Press output. I still struggle with many of the Nasrudin stories and I know there's a long way to go. No dramatic breakthroughs. I have several of Omar Ali Shah's books, they are readable and interesting. I suspect that the main problem they had when starting to teach was the effects of the Gurdjieff/Ouspenski/Bennett influence, exercises being used in the wrong circumstances etc., and it seemed that Omar was given the job of dealing with and neutralising that while Idries had to introduce Sufism to a wider audience. Some of the people who were following Bennett were able to recognise Shah as the genuine article, others such as Alan Tunbridge continued to want more explicit exercises of the kind used by Bennett's group. Tahir's output is extraordinary, hard to tell at times which are teachings and which are really his own bizarre experiences! The strangest development is the split between Tahir and the ISF -- not sure what to make of that, the world reacting against the teaching maybe.

[@justahumanbeing.709]

@@carlgrove8793 Shah was definitley an interesting guy, have you read 'Journeys with a Sufi Master' by H.Dervish? the only book that really tells you much about him. I read Alan T's book, thought it was really interesting how he just couldn't get on board with Shah, Ivan Tyrell's book was good too. Yes, i saw Tahir's recent video about being chucked out of ISF, Shocking. 'Sorcerer's Apprentice' is a great book.

[@moulayderissy5445]

Very insightful video. Thank you

[@ZeeHilal]

You have done a very good job explaining this. Very informative. I always like thee esoteric readings of any spirit books so of course I love sufism! The golden rule towards all living things is the true source of all these religions

[@kuroazrem5376]

As always, great video! However, you forgot to mention some important details, such as the fact that many of the Muslim reformists/reactionaries were sufis themselves, and many fought in jihads against both other Muslims and Westerners. Some examples include: Abdelkader Al Jilani from Algeria, Imam Shamil of Daghestan/Chechnya, and Sanusis from Lybia, the Sudanese Mahdi, or the chinese sufi orders Khafiyyah and Jahriyyah (which fought a war against each other and the Qing government). This violent sufi groups complicate the picture of sufism even more.

[@LetsTalkReligion]

I think you're referring to Abdelkader al-Jaza'iri*, but otherwise all true. Sufis have often taken part in wars.

[@blacksheep6174]

How dare u call Imam Shamil as Violent Sufi Devotee ?

[@claudiotavares9580]

Fight against a totalitarian and tyrannical empire that rule other peoples with a iron fist like the Qing Empire = vIoLeNt SuFiS.

[@blacksheep6174]

U guys think Sufism is Like Those Indian Love Songs or Boiz Whirling dancing jumping singing ? When islamophobes say sufism is peaceful is dont feel good being sufi . And sufis are sunnies Majority sufis were sunnies and still are Apart from Wahabis and Deobandis All sunnies are sufis . Sufis are not different group of ppl . Sufism js just dhikr of Allah we do believe in Jihad and Islamic Shariah . Mughals Ottomons Seljuks were sufis

[@patrickohooliganpl]

Freedom fighting against an oppressive colonial or authoritarian regime can be justified even if it uses some violent means like armed warfare. It's a commonly accepted thing independent from what your religion and culture is.

[@ahmedmestiriwastaken]

I'm not an expert by any standard so this is my humble opinion, from someone who's in a country where islamic ideas came in close contact with sufi and liberal ones throughout old and recent history. 'Sufism' always existed in islam in a form or another, practiced by a few or many. Just like 'mysticism' in the broader sense was and still is present in various other religions and cultures, to various degrees. This form of spirituality I think, although somewhat omnipresent, really settles in once a civilization or community reaches a certain degree of 'success'. This is why I found your comment on how colonialism triggered a 'reform' so accurate and also why i find that exact term inaccurate from another perspective. 'Awakening' would be more proper. This could possibly be a bias of mine but islam originally wasn't focused entirely on spirituality. Albeit that it is central, islam has not taken spirituality to the same mystic lengths that tasawuf has eventually lead to. As in my view, islamic religion isn't an ascetic one and sufism is as close as you'd get to that within it. It seems that sufism has gradually taken various aspects of the religion, be it thoughts or practices, to further and further extremes. At some point, it took the shape of a figurative bubble shielding the muslims within it from religious, political and economic facts or realities. This, although not initially purposeful, was encouraged by the political elites as much as possible, most notably the Ottoman rulers in addition to other late dynasties in the region. The 'encouragement' took various forms, the highlight of which could be resisting the introduction, abolishing and limiting printing machines until pretty late in time. Colonialism and occupation poked that relatively well kept bubble in a way, it wasn't gentle of course, but resulted in it bursting. As one comment in this section accurately puts it, and as do you towards the end of the video, once people read more and had access to more content, both recent and old, things changed and 'sufism' was put under scrutiny from different sides. It ended up taking, depending on the region, more or less of the backseat. It remains interesting to see the evolution of sufism and how different people who identify with it or not think of it throughout time. Thank you for the good video as always and sorry for the innumerable "air quotes" in the comment.

[@brennadickinson3562]

Great, thought provoking, comment. I think Sufism is a much older practice than Islam, but it has taken on Islamic coloration over the centuries. The same has happened in Christianity. Mystics are quite lonely people, and gravitate to fellowship.

[@munawarahmed2833]

Good presentation. Thank you.

[@stephyahern8867]

His Arabic is perfect! Very impressed! Highly enjoy! Keep up the wonderful work man!

[@farhanahmed2508]

You haven't put the links to Angela's channel and videos in the description :P

[@moch.farisdzulfiqar6123]

I wonder if you gonna talk about socio-political situation in religious practice, for example Indonesia case of intolerancy and the emergence of interfaith community. Also, there's a vast of Islamic topics in Indonesia if you're more interested to mysticism, like Javanese mysticisn 'kawula manunggaling gusti' which roughly translated similar to Wahdat al wujud, how hinduism influence Islam, the case of Agama Jawa-Sunda in Kuningan, or how the Sundanese ethnic identity are inseperable from Islam religious identity to the point that it's wierd if you were born Sundanese but a christian or non-muslim.

[@jonathaneffemey944]

Thanks for posting

[@arvinnili8715]

I am amazed by your precise and unbiased studies on sufism, and i highly appreciate your efforts to introduce it. Good luck, my friend. ❤❤