HOW IS THIS FAIR?! Reacting to "Lucario vs Renamon Death Battle"

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@alvaroperez2349
@alvaroperez2349 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Lucario became a character in Smash Brawl, and of course he shares Goku’s English voice actor in that department.
@BudderCobi
@BudderCobi 2 жыл бұрын
"You didn't wash your hands. I can't let you leave until you do."
@speedathecheetah7756
@speedathecheetah7756 2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t actually know Lucario and Goku were voiced by the same guy. Wow Sean really pulls his weight.
@marvelfantasy472
@marvelfantasy472 2 жыл бұрын
Not in Brawl though.
@BudderCobi
@BudderCobi 2 жыл бұрын
@@marvelfantasy472 But they reused voice clips. Are some not the same? Edit: just looked, I guess I forgot, "Watch the power of the aura- HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
@marvelfantasy472
@marvelfantasy472 2 жыл бұрын
@@BudderCobi Bill Rogers voiced Lucario in Brawl.
@wanttogetfood
@wanttogetfood 2 жыл бұрын
"Who would sexualize a digimon" Lillithmon, Mervamon, Venusmon, Kinkakkumon and many others would take that very personally
@Windrake101
@Windrake101 2 жыл бұрын
Renamon is one of the Goddess of the furry fandom.
@crcoghill
@crcoghill 2 жыл бұрын
Look: if anything is created, people will, and have, make it lewd. The rules of the Internet unfortunately.
@HellBrYnger
@HellBrYnger Жыл бұрын
who would actually be offended by that: idiots .... you see, i did my internet refreceseses so therfore. how about you just like what you like, and dont shove your something because of something that happened into lets say, a tube.
@akatsukigajou1639
@akatsukigajou1639 Жыл бұрын
@@crcoghill nah
@miracydamasceno4305
@miracydamasceno4305 Жыл бұрын
Xiaomi vs Samsung
@DieselWeasel
@DieselWeasel 2 жыл бұрын
"Imagine, like, giving a hug with that giant spike, just IMPALE somebody." LITERALLY what I've been saying FOR YEARS. XD
@QwoaX
@QwoaX 2 жыл бұрын
On this topic, watch: Don't do this to your Pokemon - Lucario
@Thaylien
@Thaylien 2 жыл бұрын
Additional Pokemon to not hug; Gardevoir. Spike in the chest makes for painful hugs where it should be comfortable.
@braixenchan7791
@braixenchan7791 2 жыл бұрын
You think its going to stop me?
@danielwilson8604
@danielwilson8604 2 жыл бұрын
and bisharp. or cacnea
@bloodwolfgaming9269
@bloodwolfgaming9269 Жыл бұрын
I like to think it would have some sort of biological failsafe to avoid a dangerous outcome. Like how the firey manes of Ponyta and Rapidash won't burn people they trust meaning that if it trusts you, you can literally put your hand into its flames. I'd like to think that Lucario would have something similar like the spike would shrink/retract if it was being hugged by someone they trusted, especially seeing as the whole thing around evolving a Riolu into Lucario is through high enough friendship (if I recall).
@itsturniptime3699
@itsturniptime3699 2 жыл бұрын
Lucario is actually most likely based on a jackal, the same animal the Egyptian god Anubis resembles. Pretty much a dog though
@dubhog
@dubhog 2 жыл бұрын
YES,I was lazy to write it myself,so thanks
@minatosealofdeath1342
@minatosealofdeath1342 2 жыл бұрын
@@dubhog yeah
@WolforNuva
@WolforNuva 5 ай бұрын
Not pretty much a dog, literally a breed of dog.
@itsturniptime3699
@itsturniptime3699 5 ай бұрын
@@WolforNuva maybe not breed but species of dog yea. My original comment was mostly about how “dog” is still an applicable term to describe Lucario
@bubbykins4864
@bubbykins4864 4 ай бұрын
​@@itsturniptime3699Both of you are wrong. "Canid" is different from "dog". True jackals are the two species within genus _Lupulella,_ while dogs are either subspecies _Canis lupus familiaris_ or the species _Canis familiaris_ depending on how you classify them, which would actually be better described as the wolf genus despite its type species; Though _Canis aureus_ is commonly referred to as the golden jackal, it is about as much a jackal as a hermit crab is a crab; true crabs belong to infraorder Brachyura, while hermit crabs belong to infraorder Anomura, which is largely comprised of them and other false crabs.
@HeadBodyMasterPersonal
@HeadBodyMasterPersonal 2 жыл бұрын
"Wait, Lucario's... Goku?" Well, they are both voiced by the same dude, Sean Schemmel, in English, so... kinda. Also, Balrog Vs. TJ Combo is one of my favorite Death Battles of this season, so can't wait for that reaction.
@minatosealofdeath1342
@minatosealofdeath1342 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@phoenixking3960
@phoenixking3960 2 жыл бұрын
Funny how they made sure to exclude evolutions to make this anything close to a fair fight or else this would be like their last pokemon vs digimon death battle.
@haku8135
@haku8135 2 жыл бұрын
Digimon is literally built on the super saiyan principle. IE, just keep transforming until you're broken enough.
@rainofkhandaq6678
@rainofkhandaq6678 2 жыл бұрын
@@haku8135 They don't "keep transforming" though. The main digimon only transform 2 or 3 times at most, and other Digimon only transform once or not at all. A lot of Pokemon transform twice, not a big difference at all. Digimon just have stronger feats.
@haku8135
@haku8135 2 жыл бұрын
@@rainofkhandaq6678 Digimon have multiple ways of repeatedly gaining power. Pokemon really don't. At most they'll evolve twice, but their evolutions aren't nearly as dramatic.
@Somerandomnobodyonyoutube
@Somerandomnobodyonyoutube Жыл бұрын
Yeah pokemon just can't stand up to digimon, an ultimate level digimon can deal with most if not all pokemon
@kamirikuo8945
@kamirikuo8945 Жыл бұрын
​@@haku8135 welp though cookies for Pokemon
@speedathecheetah7756
@speedathecheetah7756 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Kyle don’t feel bad one of the main reasons Lucario won was because evolutions weren’t allowed. Renamon’s final form might easily beat Mega Lucario
@sonarionfusion2202
@sonarionfusion2202 Жыл бұрын
Might? It WOULD FLATTEN MEGA LUCARIO
@shadowfan115
@shadowfan115 9 ай бұрын
Yeah the only issue is that in order for renamon to reach Sakuyamon it needs it's tamer for a biomerge digivolution but I would say taomon would still wipe the floor with a mega Lucario
@demonic_myst4503
@demonic_myst4503 7 ай бұрын
Shadowfan no it doesnt even dna digivelution digimon acording to the creators reference gyide can ocur naturaly the dna digivelution, bio merge and so on are just shortcuts but a digimon with enough da5a can naturaly become that digimon
@shadowfan115
@shadowfan115 7 ай бұрын
@@demonic_myst4503 true
@pezdispencer113
@pezdispencer113 6 ай бұрын
@@shadowfan115 Digimon don't need partners to digivolve, it's just way easier to achieve a temporary digivolution with one. Digimon without drawing on their partners reach their next level permanently. It's why Gatomon is a champion as a base whereas the other S1 digimon are only naturally rookies.
@calebgoodman2076
@calebgoodman2076 2 жыл бұрын
“Renamon must be really important if it’s going against Lucario.” Only in regards to the anime, though a Lucario was the partner Pokémon of Hiori, the protagonist of Phantom Thief Pokémon 7. Renamon is the partner to Makino Ruki (Rika Nonaka in the dub) in Digimon Tamers, one of the main characters and the female lead. Lucario in comparison isn’t that important except in one movie and the X and Y anime and the aforementioned Phantom Thief manga. I highly recommend watching Digimon Tamers as it’s the most psychological and dark season of the series. Trauma plays a big role in character development there. In fact the big bad uses the trauma of another character to power itself up and nearly defeat the Tamer cast.
@BJGvideos
@BJGvideos 2 жыл бұрын
Tamers is what happens if you try to make Evangelion for grade schoolers. Also, Lucario is one of the signature pokemon of Cynthia, and her hair clips resemble those floppy things on its head.
@mothified1676
@mothified1676 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, i forgot how digimon got at times. People's lives were actually in danger in the anime xD pokemon was serious in the manga only
@mothified1676
@mothified1676 2 жыл бұрын
'member wizardmon? Sadge
@calebgoodman2076
@calebgoodman2076 2 жыл бұрын
@@BJGvideos It’s really not that surprising considering the writer also wrote Serial Experiments Lain.
@BJGvideos
@BJGvideos 2 жыл бұрын
@@mothified1676 Pokemon can be pretty serious. Heck, have you seen the most recent movie?
@MoostachedSaiyanPrince
@MoostachedSaiyanPrince 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, about that "who would sexualize a digimon" thing... there's actually a number of Digimon that look less like animals and more like people. Or in some case, angels, demons, or other types of gods or mythical figures that resemble attractive men and women, and this becomes much more common once you get to higher levels. In fact, Renamon's final form looks like a human woman in golden armor wearing a fox mask, she doesn't even have fur or a tail anymore. I know it sounds creepy and it kinda is, but remember that Digimon only RESEMBLE animals sometimes, but are actually just as intelligent as humans with only a few of exceptions when it comes to the really savage or monstrous ones, like Kuwagamon, which is a three story tall beetle monster that the characters have to beat in the very first episode.
@PissedGrunty
@PissedGrunty 2 жыл бұрын
Pokemon has their fair share of that stuff too. Lopunny is literally based on a Playboy bunny.
@MoostachedSaiyanPrince
@MoostachedSaiyanPrince 2 жыл бұрын
@@PissedGrunty I didn't know that that's what Lopunny is based off of. In fact, I didn't even realize that anybody considered it "sexy" until I accidentally stumbled across some rule 34 of it while searching for it's evolutionary method when I wanted to train a Buneary years ago. So yeah, it true that there are Pokémon that can be sexualized by people like furries that normies would never look at that way. But then there are Digimon that are literally just women with big breasts in revealing clothes that still have completely human body proportions, and NO ONE can see them without knowing that they're meant to be seen that way. It's a pretty big difference since there are Pokemon that are only loosely based off of attractive women, but then there are Digimon that literally are just attractive women.
@bloodwolfgaming9269
@bloodwolfgaming9269 Жыл бұрын
@@MoostachedSaiyanPrince Not to mention you have Pokemon like Salazzle who's whole deal is they are all females who use pheromones to essentially make males to cater to their every needs. I want to say one of the Pokedex entries even implied these pheromones working "cross species" with a possible implication to effect humans as well. So yea, Nintendo quite literally made a rather curvy and suggestive human-sized lizard that is all female that makes a reverse harem of any male they can to tend to their needs. They knew exactly what they were doing with that one. XD
@spectrum4524
@spectrum4524 Жыл бұрын
@@bloodwolfgaming9269 Going back even to earlier Pokémon gen, I'm almost certain there has to have been some rule 34 and such for Pokémon like Gardevoir.
@akiritosakurai6289
@akiritosakurai6289 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: lucario has the most rule 34 fanarts out of all pokemon
@TheJeSTeR7530
@TheJeSTeR7530 2 жыл бұрын
I think the outcome of this Death Battle could have been either Lucario or Renamon. Both of them had comparable durability, while one had the edge in strenght and the other the edge in speed. If this Battle allowed for evolutions, then obviously Renamon would win by a wide margin, as the power ceiling for Digimon on average is much higher than that of Pokemon. But just these two put against eachother, i think it could go either way. Although i understand their arguments for Lucario, i think they also low-balled Renamon a little bit. Regardless, not the best and not the worst Death Battle, i can agree with the outcome but i also think there is enough reasons to disagree.
@minatosealofdeath1342
@minatosealofdeath1342 2 жыл бұрын
I think they also lowballed lowball Lucario he scales to stronger characters but death battle said his best feat was destroying metal claws
@adam-dn3hi
@adam-dn3hi 2 жыл бұрын
If they used tamers renamon she would win but they used a wild renamom
@minatosealofdeath1342
@minatosealofdeath1342 2 жыл бұрын
@@adam-dn3hi they used a wild lucario as well so stop complaining
@adam-dn3hi
@adam-dn3hi 2 жыл бұрын
@@minatosealofdeath1342 the only diffrence between a wild lucario and a normal lucario is thet it cant mega evolve And since ther using feats from the tamers series they should use renamon from tamers not a random wild one
@minatosealofdeath1342
@minatosealofdeath1342 2 жыл бұрын
@@adam-dn3hi no they shouldn’t they didn’t let outside help in this fight if that’s what you wanted just to get a win well sorry that’s not the case 😑
@lunamarie1637
@lunamarie1637 2 жыл бұрын
"I don't think this fight is gonna be close at all!" Well, your first mistake is assuming they make any of the fights close
@jackstar7204
@jackstar7204 2 жыл бұрын
Literally the next fight is one of the closest ever.
@BlazeWriter
@BlazeWriter 2 жыл бұрын
“How is this fair?” That’s the fun part, it isn’t. Edit: Jesus Christ, I caused a war down there.
@haku8135
@haku8135 2 жыл бұрын
This was actually a pretty fair matchup, actually.
@Revshockwave
@Revshockwave 2 жыл бұрын
@@haku8135 they nerfed the hell out of renamon and avoided giving her certain attacks from other games. Meanwhile they gave lucario heal pulse which doesn't self heal at all. Plus note that they needed a fully evolved pokemon to beat a digimon who is at the child level and not even at their fullest potential
@minatosealofdeath1342
@minatosealofdeath1342 2 жыл бұрын
@@Revshockwave says the digimon fanboy
@minatosealofdeath1342
@minatosealofdeath1342 2 жыл бұрын
@@Revshockwave um yes a fully evolved Pokémon vs a rookie level digimon actually makes sense since rookie digimon as a whole is naturally much stronger than ordinary Pokémon so there even at this level
@RobbyTheRogue
@RobbyTheRogue 2 жыл бұрын
@@minatosealofdeath1342 Fully evolved Pokemon are closer to champion level Digimon, especially the stronger ones like Lucario.
@whydoistillusethissite8626
@whydoistillusethissite8626 2 жыл бұрын
This battle was pretty underwhelming to most people, the fight was barely a minute long... the next one though, oh ho ho. It's one of the best in the season, if not the entire show. Balrog vs TJ Combo is truly amazing
@minatosealofdeath1342
@minatosealofdeath1342 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah sadly
@chakrawarrior1739
@chakrawarrior1739 4 ай бұрын
Note that Renamon's a Rookie level, which in the Japanese version is "Child". Renamon was basically one step above baby (the same level as Agumon without any evolutions) and fighting one of the higher tier Pokemon. On average, most Pokemon lose to most Digimon, but if you pit a low tier Digimon against a high tier Pokemon, that's how they gave team Pokemon a chance here XD
@BlahBlahWoofWoof12
@BlahBlahWoofWoof12 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my no! These are 2 of my absolute favorites from each series. I can't choose between them. Don't make me!
@CyberDalek17
@CyberDalek17 2 жыл бұрын
Lucario's voice actor in the movie and Smash Bros Ultimate is Goku's voice actor Sean Scemmel. So to all those who've been wanting Goku in Smash, he technically already is
@TotallyCluelessGamer
@TotallyCluelessGamer 6 ай бұрын
I'm guessing their first Pokemon vs Digimon deathbattle upset some Pokemon fans, so they decided to basically kneecap Renamon(the specific one they're using) to give Pokemon fans a W.
@gunchar06
@gunchar06 4 ай бұрын
100% this.
@DementisXYZ
@DementisXYZ 2 жыл бұрын
"Wait, Lucario is Goku?" VA Fun Fact! As a matter of fact, yes! In the movie in which Lucario talks, he is voiced by Sean Schemmel, Funimation voice of Goku. This was a fun one, but Renamon in the battle is voiced by Marissa Lenti. Upon researching, she actually does a lot of additional voices in anime, but you've actually heard her Cloud's mom (actual mom) in Final Fantasy 7 Machinabridged, and....*sigh* The shamoshians in the Broly Abridged movie. Y'know..."Harder, Dah-Di." I will say, again, if there's any of the Digimon series worth watching, it's Tamers, aka Season 3, aka the one with Renamon.
@itsturniptime3699
@itsturniptime3699 2 жыл бұрын
I think Lucario in Smash Bros is also voiced by Goku but I can’t remember if it’s his Japanese actor or the English one
@BJGvideos
@BJGvideos 2 жыл бұрын
@@itsturniptime3699 English one.
@PissedGrunty
@PissedGrunty 2 жыл бұрын
Renamon isn't a "boss" by any means, there are plenty of Digimon stronger than her. She's just very popular. Because they leave out their "trainers" though, Renamon doesn't get to use her three upgrades available, or even the card modification abilities that exist in that season of Digimon.
@zolhisyam447
@zolhisyam447 10 ай бұрын
If I'm not mistaken renamon is the same level as agumon, which is kinda week and unfair I may say, so no surprise in the result.
@PissedGrunty
@PissedGrunty 10 ай бұрын
@@zolhisyam447 Yeah, Renamon is only a rookie level
@pezdispencer113
@pezdispencer113 6 ай бұрын
@@zolhisyam447The Tamers Renamon would be stronger than Adventure Agumon. She absorbed a ton of data and had a lot of training that Agumon can't really match with. Renamons in general though, maybe? I dunno. She's pretty damn fast so Agumon would probably have a real hard time hitting her.
@gunchar06
@gunchar06 4 ай бұрын
The only rookie lvl Digimon that's a boss by that standard would be freaking Lucemon XD...
@gunchar06
@gunchar06 4 ай бұрын
@@pezdispencer113 Renamons are usually stronger than Agumons(hell Sakuyamon vs Wargreymon is straight up spite in most Digimon media), but using the Tamers version + including Ruki and cards even Greymon would be in big trouble.
@BradShadowDog
@BradShadowDog 2 жыл бұрын
Lucario is fully evolved and Renamon is a Rookie level. So this is like a Charizard fighting against Agumon... and we saw how that turned out.
@loganshaw9198
@loganshaw9198 2 жыл бұрын
Charizard is like a dragon a lizard breathing fire and flying. Agumon is like a small 🦖 T Rex.
@RyudenTamarashi
@RyudenTamarashi 2 жыл бұрын
man this fight felt like they were trying to find reasons for Renamon to not win. not using her clones and excluding evolving (which is like...90% of digimon) its kinda sad.
@loganshaw9198
@loganshaw9198 2 жыл бұрын
What about renamon' ninja moves?
@legendofliamd
@legendofliamd 2 жыл бұрын
Now with this outta the way, we can move on to one of the best fights this season and one of the greatest episodes on this show
@RealestShaggyRogers
@RealestShaggyRogers 2 жыл бұрын
"It's a girl" Weirdly enough renamon itself said that digimon don't actually have genders
@loganshaw9198
@loganshaw9198 2 жыл бұрын
Her body is not a guy type but renamon is a fox so it is not as clear.
@loganshaw9198
@loganshaw9198 2 жыл бұрын
Also champion and above digievolution is female.
@runjennierun07
@runjennierun07 2 жыл бұрын
@@loganshaw9198 but despite presenting as feminine or masculine that doesnt take away the fact that digimon dont have gender. That also means the "man/woman" mon puns dont really mean anything.
@loganshaw9198
@loganshaw9198 2 жыл бұрын
@@runjennierun07 well a computer and most robots and even some Androids do not have genders but does not stop the dreams of men form falling in love with them.
@loganshaw9198
@loganshaw9198 2 жыл бұрын
@@runjennierun07 the more extreme version of this what if every thing was a waifu even everyday inanimate objects. The cigarettes waifu was weird. If you ever see it. You will never look at a pack of cigarettes the same way and also oddly get jealous.
@kumaJoru
@kumaJoru 2 жыл бұрын
11:16 I remember in the dub(not sure in sub) rika(her partner)'s mom ask if renamon is boy or girl renamon says digimon aren't divided by gender
@adam-dn3hi
@adam-dn3hi 2 жыл бұрын
Lilithmon hase tits Some of them are based on mythologys where thers gender Renamon littrly hase the voice of a F female Idc if digimons dont use gender as classification they clearlly have F genders
@loganshaw9198
@loganshaw9198 2 жыл бұрын
Well in mythology they can choose their gender they are based as neither and can be both but 9 tail are normally female.
@hallofguns8174
@hallofguns8174 2 жыл бұрын
Press Start to Laugh in a channel where a guy and his family dub over games comedically to see what the silent protagonist has to say. Examples being: What if you talked in Subnautica, What is Steve from Minecraft talked, and one I think you would really like, What if Doom Guy talked. he does all of Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal. The beginning is good, but once he gets his footing after the first part, it is comedy gold. Despite this, no one reacts to him so I would love if you did.
@TnT_F0X
@TnT_F0X 2 жыл бұрын
Only like 4-5 Death battles away from Sephiroth vs Vergil, Cant wait for that one.
@lesnarahamilton5674
@lesnarahamilton5674 Жыл бұрын
death battle: we make to people at there max and make them fight also death battle: lets cut off a chars power by 80% so she can fight with a pokemon.
@Victor_Nova_56
@Victor_Nova_56 2 жыл бұрын
I believe Lucario is inspired by Anubis, the Egyptian jackal god.
@SpencerBPD
@SpencerBPD 2 жыл бұрын
Shredder vs Silver Samurai is after Balrog vs TJ Combo and isn't here. It's TMNT vs Marvel, so it's not because of spoilers.
@supersaiyantravis6962
@supersaiyantravis6962 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, next episode is super hype. It's another one of those fight animations that's just on another level like dante vs bayonetta.
@fourthhorsemendeath218
@fourthhorsemendeath218 2 жыл бұрын
Love the vid Kyle. Hope to see your reaction to the new Helluva Boss episode soon
@crcoghill
@crcoghill 2 жыл бұрын
YEEEEEAH!!!! LET'S GO!!!! THE NEXT FIGHT IS HYPE!!!!
@anyathepanther7977
@anyathepanther7977 2 жыл бұрын
Lucario is probably the most popular non legendary Pokémon. Renamon confused me as a kid : I thought she was on adult level, becouse of her hight. Before all rookie levels were smaller than the children. Lucario won, becouse it is fully evolved. Renamon wasn't allowed to digivolve. Had they gone all the way to ultimate, Lucario would be toast!
@BJGvideos
@BJGvideos 2 жыл бұрын
The most popular Pokemon is a non-legendary though. Greninja is the most popular at least as of a few years ago
@loganshaw9198
@loganshaw9198 2 жыл бұрын
Greninja would be a better fight vs renamon.
@ahedjehad8514
@ahedjehad8514 2 жыл бұрын
Kyle, i'm just gonna say this for the next death battle episode: if you like boxing, this fight is gonna blow your socks off. cause they treated it like an actual boxing match. :)
@Lorekeeper72
@Lorekeeper72 2 жыл бұрын
Easily my favorite battle from a skill stand point; big numbers less important for that one.
@Brobuscus101
@Brobuscus101 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, I’m sooooo excited for you to see Balrog VS TJ Combo. That fight’s amazing
@TheOriginalJphyper
@TheOriginalJphyper 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, both of these characters are VERY popular among the furries. In fact, they're often paired up together. This sort of unwanted knowledge is one of the downsides of having a DeviantArt account. Nowadays, they've thankfully drastically improved the suggestion algorithm, but in years past...
@keyblademasterct2
@keyblademasterct2 2 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why they thought it was okay to pit Lucario, a fully evolved Pokemon, against Renamon, which isn't even considered mid tier evolution. There is such a thing as a naturally evolved Sakuyamon (Renamon's Mega level evolution).
@sethgibson5148
@sethgibson5148 2 жыл бұрын
Does Remamon need its trainer to become those different evolutions?
@SufferingSuccotash
@SufferingSuccotash 2 жыл бұрын
I mean he technically still has a mega
@ligtningdog6399
@ligtningdog6399 2 жыл бұрын
Generally spoking, Digimon are just more powerful than Pokemon by default. Sakuyamon fought against the D-Reaper, a creature powerful enough to consume a city and threating the whole planet. Lucario would be a like a Lv 5 Pichu stand against a lv 100 Dragonite Beside, we all know the real reason for the fight, the furry fandom rivalry.
@cyberrainofficial5965
@cyberrainofficial5965 9 ай бұрын
@@sethgibson5148 No, not the majority of her evolutions, she can reach most just with time or battle spirit
@pezdispencer113
@pezdispencer113 6 ай бұрын
@@sethgibson5148Digimon can become mega level without any partner, it's just a lot harder and takes more time. If they do naturally evolve, then the evolution is a permanent one. Whereas Digimon with a partner do not retain their higher levels when being empowered by their partners.
@jimzerr3025
@jimzerr3025 2 жыл бұрын
The next battle is awesome.
@calebhastings2901
@calebhastings2901 2 жыл бұрын
I do agree with the results of the battle but it was sad to see one of the Digimon from my favorite season in the series loose. But Lucario is one of my favorite Pokemon so I'm still happy with the end results. I think Digimon Tamers is one of the few times the military actually tried to fight Digimon that were invading Earth.
@hallofguns8174
@hallofguns8174 2 жыл бұрын
The digimon are not limited to how many moves they can used, while pokemon are limited to 4 at any given time. So Lucario's "wider and more diverse" arsenal would not work.
@theninjabird9510
@theninjabird9510 2 жыл бұрын
He does not have that weakness in the anime
@RobbyTheRogue
@RobbyTheRogue 2 жыл бұрын
@@theninjabird9510 Heal pulse doesn't heal the pokemon using it in any game or anime.
@theninjabird9510
@theninjabird9510 2 жыл бұрын
@@RobbyTheRogue when did I say it did?
@RobbyTheRogue
@RobbyTheRogue 2 жыл бұрын
@@theninjabird9510 Just pointing out a weakness he does have in the anime(and games) that this death battle ignores.
@JasonSmith-fr2jy
@JasonSmith-fr2jy 10 ай бұрын
Like why bring up renemon's abilities if they won't be used? Also something people tend to forget about digimon is that they don't need a tamer to digivolve. Think about how many champions, ultimates, and mega's are just out there. Not to mention they had to become a in training 2 before they even met their partners. So yeah, the only form Renemon shouldn't have taken is her mega form as that actually requires a biomerge with Rika. Beyond that, Digimon have a fluxuating digivolution line, meaning, dispite what the show says for simplicity, augumon doesn't always become greymon. After all he went skullgrymon first and then metalgreymon the next time, so technically even the show, shows this off. The point is, if Renamon can't biomerge then she should have a different Mega that can be used in it's place. A great conterner would be Saber leomon. Giving into her beastly instincts and ready to ruble. You can argue that she's not a cat, but a fox, and I'd argue that Gatomon is a cat and not an angel like Agewomon, and not a dog like Salomon, but there you have it. Fact is, they severely under did this, also stating that renemon could disappear and move faster than 9k mph, meaning she matches lucario's speed yet they made her slower for the fight.... this is the problem with DB they always show bias and that should never happen.
@RippahRooJizah
@RippahRooJizah 9 ай бұрын
This isn't Rika's Renamon, just "A Renamon". Cyber Sleuth featured a Sakuyamon (no human partner) in one mission, and Ghost Game featured a Kuzuhamon (both forms) as well.
@JasonSmith-fr2jy
@JasonSmith-fr2jy 9 ай бұрын
@@RippahRooJizah yes but in the games and anime even, season four specifically, you see guilmon and gallantmon, but we know that Takato created Guilmon, there was only one, so the games showing multiple guilmon wasn't a good bases for there being more than one. I bring up season 4 because Gallentmon became a royal knight, Takato and Guilmon could have easily been in the digital world and the fact that only one is seen kinda alludes to that. The fact is that the games, like cyber sluthe couldn't have biomerge because that evolution didnt make sense in the game's story. Same thing goes for ghost game, and rumble arena, etc... the cannon is that each digimon has their own digvolutions based on their nature. That's why some tentomon become kabuterimon and others become kuwagamon. The tamer's share their nature with their partners making them one unit, this is why Agumon became skullgreymon at first and metalgreymon later when tai's personalluty changed from arrogant and desperate to true courage. Renamon here, should have had other forms, digimon evolve based on a need to survive or to protect. Kiyubiimon was not outside of reach and neither was Taomon, mega forms could have been anything really as we don't know other forms that Taomon can become outside of what the games show us, and what the anime showed us. Those things tend to change from continuity to continuity. Besides, even if she stayed as a renamon, points were brought up about Renamon's abilities that were never used, like making copies that could confuse Lucario for instance. My point is, if someone takes time to mention a skill that is vital to the battle, at least show it off. For instance, take charizard vs agumon. If they mentioned that wargreymon could use attacks like terraforce and great tornado, and was extremely strong against dragons, which mega charizard x is a dragon type, but then just killed him as an agumon, you'd feel cheated. Had renemon used her skill to confuse lucario and then hit him when his gaurd was down, a legit tactic used by weaker opponants to gain the upperhand, something Renemon would absolutely do, then how would things have been different? We won't know because dispite telling us about this skill, we never saw it.
@wanttogetfood
@wanttogetfood 2 жыл бұрын
Renamon is on same level as Agumon who did no damage to Charizard but his power is possibly closer to Greymons level or at least inbetween. That is at least how it appears to be
@cyberrainofficial5965
@cyberrainofficial5965 9 ай бұрын
Yeah except Augumon should have been able to beat Charizard X without digi-evolving even once considering what he can do later on in the series
@TotallyCluelessGamer
@TotallyCluelessGamer 6 ай бұрын
@@cyberrainofficial5965 let's be real DeathBattles care relatively little about who wins or how easily they would win. They just want to have each fighter show off their moves and (aside from this one) their transformations.
@joestout2326
@joestout2326 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine if she could have digivolved
@BlahBlahWoofWoof12
@BlahBlahWoofWoof12 2 жыл бұрын
1:48 I was wearing those glasses before it was cool. WITH the lenses 5:00 So fun fact: when I play the games & I have a Lucario on my team, based on its gender I always name it either Goku or Chi Chi 11:25 Angry Duck
@NateTmi
@NateTmi 2 жыл бұрын
how high rez is your stream when u make a video like this? I find if I set it too high the stream can become corrupted, maybe your glitch is related to that. Your upgraded card being too fast for something to keep up when live. For example I can't do a over 1000P stream but some days I can & so I try to keep it 720p 10 900p or maybe this has nothing to do with your problem
@braydenleaderofthetirkins1143
@braydenleaderofthetirkins1143 2 жыл бұрын
I recommend playing Pokkén Tournament DX on Switch. It is literally a Tekken Pokemon game with smooth animations and very high quality models that I wished the main series used. And yes, it has Lucario in it. It also has a new form exclusive to that game for Mewtwo, "Shadow Mewtwo". It's just cool, man.
@aronmiller7648
@aronmiller7648 Жыл бұрын
Throw in the digivolve and this turns out different
@MrPerson61
@MrPerson61 2 жыл бұрын
This was basically an apology fight for how Digimon stomped pokemon in the last one if you let them digivolve
@funny9able
@funny9able 2 жыл бұрын
Lucario is base off Anubis the Egyptian god of the dead. Brilliant Diamond, and Shiny Pearl (or BD SP) are coming out in November and I really want to try to use Lucario in my playthrough Duck Record 33 W 23 L (0 In A Roll) Highest Streak: 5 Me: 1 W 2 L I finally got one right
@marieporter9488
@marieporter9488 2 жыл бұрын
The Lucario movie is also one of the best Pokemon movies!
@rainofkhandaq6678
@rainofkhandaq6678 2 жыл бұрын
Lucario literally has nothing related to Anubis.
@funny9able
@funny9able 2 жыл бұрын
@@rainofkhandaq6678 Lucario appearance is base on Anubis
@marieporter9488
@marieporter9488 2 жыл бұрын
@@rainofkhandaq6678 Lucario looks like a bipedal Egyptian wolf, just like Anubis
@ageridthesilverdragon4440
@ageridthesilverdragon4440 2 жыл бұрын
the you snuk up behind me was a meme for a time where they added a neck break insted of ash talking
@DamionStingerDrake
@DamionStingerDrake 2 жыл бұрын
Lucario I think is suppose to be a jackel which are canines so he technically is dog. Also the Goku joke is that the voice actor for Goku does lucario in the movies and smash bros.
@gogetablack5384
@gogetablack5384 2 жыл бұрын
Renamon is actually genderles since they are data. And because of that every Digimon is genderles, despite some Digimon having Man/woman in the name and have a male or female appearance.
@Bardic_Knowledge
@Bardic_Knowledge 2 жыл бұрын
Special fun fact: Renamon is the one in Tamers who says that Digimon don't technically have genders, and is also the colours of the Nonbinary Pride flag.
@terrynasonisasupervillain9017
@terrynasonisasupervillain9017 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video
@victorhaydes9065
@victorhaydes9065 2 жыл бұрын
Get ready for THE closest battle in all of Death Battle
@gunchar06
@gunchar06 4 ай бұрын
This battle was just nonsensical(and i actually like Lucario a lot, but it had absolutely no right to win this), and it's way too obvious that they did this to appease salty Pokemon fans. Which becomes even dumber due to the fact that the Renamon Evolution-line is actually well beyond the Agumon Evolution-line, which is why they even had to lowball the merely rookie lvl Renamon for Lucario to win.
@AngiraBlu
@AngiraBlu 2 жыл бұрын
As for the glitching, did you try percussive maintenance, yet? Ya know, "Hit it till it works"?
@hallofguns8174
@hallofguns8174 2 жыл бұрын
I do not like this battle. Deathbattle is supposed to be 2 combatants at their best, but in this battle they limited them to a fixed form. Also, until mega evolution came around, Lucario was pretty much at its peak, while Renamon had several much more powerful forms under her belt. If they went all out, Mega Lucario would not stand a chance against Taomon, aka Renamon's final form. Even as they are, I think Renamon would take the win, her speed alone should put her above Lucario. P.S. I am pretty certain they had Lucario use more than 4 moves.
@pezdispencer113
@pezdispencer113 6 ай бұрын
Taomon isn't Renamon's final form. It's the Ultimate form of the Tamer's Renamon (with Sakuyamon after that).
@gunchar06
@gunchar06 4 ай бұрын
Taomon isn't even even the final form, but yeah not even a literal army of Lucarios would stand any chance against it.
@hallofguns8174
@hallofguns8174 4 ай бұрын
@@gunchar06 Exactly!
@adam-dn3hi
@adam-dn3hi 2 жыл бұрын
I still want to know why did you skip natsu vs ace
@sethgibson5148
@sethgibson5148 2 жыл бұрын
He was told it would be spoilers, even though he's not going to watch those anime because they are too long
@adam-dn3hi
@adam-dn3hi 2 жыл бұрын
@@sethgibson5148 well then shouldent someone explain to him its not spoilers?
@sethgibson5148
@sethgibson5148 2 жыл бұрын
@@adam-dn3hi people have already said it. Maybe he'll watch them on his own? I'm just hoping he's not going to watch anymore Naruto ones because that's the entire show.
@adam-dn3hi
@adam-dn3hi 2 жыл бұрын
@@sethgibson5148 his not even watching naruto
@sethgibson5148
@sethgibson5148 2 жыл бұрын
@@adam-dn3hi but maybe on his own he will. That's the only real reason I could see for him to not watch these.
@cheameraTV
@cheameraTV 2 жыл бұрын
do you remember when i spammed your discord cause you made fun of my friends art
@artistanthony1007
@artistanthony1007 2 жыл бұрын
It's not fair, you are right to be shocked. Also I just changed my pfp to one I made with Artbreeder's A.I., DO YOU SEE?!
@litepaw7
@litepaw7 2 жыл бұрын
This fight should be remade...
@dragonjaj
@dragonjaj Ай бұрын
i want to point out that renamon is the same evo stage equivalent to the locarious pre form
@Kadeda
@Kadeda 2 жыл бұрын
I kinda disagree with this in a way. Somehow the ice busting is more amazing then the tons of digimon she defeats made of stuff similar to steal. They did use a wild renamon and not the renamon we see in the show so i get it but they used feats from the show. Renamon can beat champion digimon as a rookie... which is terribly hard to do knowing the growth scale of digimon. I'm pretty sure beating any of them destroys ice wall feat. I don't know who would win in general but they kinda use random feats and compare instead of the most impressive feats.
@pezdispencer113
@pezdispencer113 6 ай бұрын
They have to giga handicap Digimon to even give Pokemon a chance, so any battle between the two is pointless because either Digimon wins or its an unbalanced matchup with a gimped Digimon.
@dbzkai12345
@dbzkai12345 2 жыл бұрын
I started to watch *A Slap on Titan* ep 1 parody since I look at the poll result since i never heard of the abridged and it is really funny
@adam-dn3hi
@adam-dn3hi 2 жыл бұрын
Renamom hase 3 more evolutions where tf are those?
@puppeterlordofthemasks6230
@puppeterlordofthemasks6230 2 жыл бұрын
Nowhere because they are using the tammed renamon,so digievolutions thanks the tammer aren't allowed as they said. Also,they are using only renamon,nor the other evolutions
@adam-dn3hi
@adam-dn3hi 2 жыл бұрын
@@puppeterlordofthemasks6230 1 "tammed renamom" she can digivolve on her own she does not need her tamer to digivolve Shes also stronger then a champion level digimon 2 even wild digimons are known for evolving on ther own 3 it makes mo sense using lucario who is capble of fighting evolved pokemoms against a rooki digimom
@puppeterlordofthemasks6230
@puppeterlordofthemasks6230 2 жыл бұрын
@@adam-dn3hi The first one I'm wrong,I put tammed when they are using the wild,as you said can evolve without tammer,the third point you make,I think they did this fight because the two of them fight similar
@shirothegamer7574
@shirothegamer7574 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, if any pokemon fights a digimon it's like krillin vs zeno, not capping, there are literally digimon with the power to destroy the universe!
@AGO339
@AGO339 2 жыл бұрын
tbh i liked the dbx version better where it was a tie
@AndesBlaz
@AndesBlaz 2 жыл бұрын
Lucario has the same english voice actor as goku
@TnT_F0X
@TnT_F0X 2 жыл бұрын
Naruto has Kitsune stuff in it, The pokemon Ninetales is based off them too.
@christophermonteith2774
@christophermonteith2774 2 жыл бұрын
this one is pretty damn close, but I agree that lucario wins. with tamers/trainers it would be a whole different story though
@LifenKnight
@LifenKnight 5 ай бұрын
I mean they used trainer feats. an average lucario can't do most of what was shown. Ashes pikachu vs random pikachu wouldnn't be close at all. It would be the same as a legendary vs pokemon from the starting route.
@pat1r1ck
@pat1r1ck 3 ай бұрын
sometimes i think pokemon becomes slightly dumber and cannot make any self-decisions once they are caught by a human@@LifenKnight
@xrismontano4715
@xrismontano4715 2 жыл бұрын
New episode of Helluva Boss is on right now, so go check THAT 💩 OUT! 🤣👍
@cybersonic8472
@cybersonic8472 2 жыл бұрын
So this showcases the difference between Digimon and pokemon, Digimon power scales ridiculous between digevolutions, a Rookie digimon is playing in the same powerset of pokemon and pokemon have a chance but if you give them trainers nearly all Digimon are going to win they just are not on the same playing level
@Animemus
@Animemus 2 жыл бұрын
This is more about Pokémon’s most popular furry VS Digimon’s most popular furry. It’s unfair because Renamon is in her base form and Lucario is fully evolved. If they let them fight at their full potential then it’d be a repeat of Charizard VS Agumon which would be unfair for Lucario. Lucario fights Renamon, Renamon Digivolves into Kyubimon, Lucario Mega Evolves into Mega Lucario, Kyubimon reverts to Renamon then skips past Taomon and kills Mega Lucario as Sakuyamon.
@BrandonLee365
@BrandonLee365 2 жыл бұрын
5:09 If you want to know what's funny, in Super Smash Brothers the VA for Goku *Is Lucario* so you're not entirely wrong here.
@ClarkJKent
@ClarkJKent 2 жыл бұрын
After Balrog vs TJ Combo it's Shredder vs Silver Samurai
@EditDeath
@EditDeath 2 жыл бұрын
The kitsune was the inspiration for Kyuubi from Naruto, so maybe you heard it there? Not sure, but you can find it a lot of Japanese shows, movies and comics
@loganshaw9198
@loganshaw9198 2 жыл бұрын
Kitsune also are different like Naruto in that the more tails the more powerful they are.
@Burrito844
@Burrito844 2 жыл бұрын
I recommend [TF2] expert demopan by soundsmith .
@rodrickgoldberg2324
@rodrickgoldberg2324 2 жыл бұрын
A quick little fun fact about Lucario: In Smash Bros., they have a gimmick where their attacks and moves become more powerful the more damage they’ve taken. Even if it wasn’t part of the research for Death Battle, that scene where Lucario powers through the second Diamond Storm like a raging barbarian reminds me about that Smash Bros thing a lot. Now for the next fight… Oh boy, You’re going to be on the edge of your seat. I guarantee it.
@scarletrose8766
@scarletrose8766 2 жыл бұрын
It was a thing but its not suppose to be cannon cause smash isint cannon to Pokemon world otherwise low health lucario would get a power boost in battle
@renamon5658
@renamon5658 2 жыл бұрын
"Lucario was the only one that had self healing and stat boosting abilities" Renamon does have stat boosting abilities, miracle power can increase renamon's attack, with anti panic it can heal itself a bit and with trait- speed 2 can increase it's speed. And renamon has a aoe win attack. Renamon should of won
@duduteixeira7736
@duduteixeira7736 2 жыл бұрын
Renamon is one of the main digimon cast from Digimon Tamers and is a fan favorite.
@Artician
@Artician 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, could you react to "A Spy's Guide To Your Eternal Reward" by Ream?
@turki9906
@turki9906 Жыл бұрын
Its not fair to be honest rookie level vs semi ultimate level
@obsidianwolf9966
@obsidianwolf9966 2 жыл бұрын
Another one who is not in the playlist is Natsu vs Ace. You dont watch Fairytail or One piece so you don't need to worry about spoilers
@smugsneasel
@smugsneasel 2 жыл бұрын
04:06 It's Pokemon sun 04:11 That's Salamence. One of the pseudo legendaries from gen 3. 06:45 Really? You never knew it was a dog? Wow. It's based on Anubis. The Egyptian God of the Afterlife...who is a jackal-man. 11:25 Behold the rare angry Kyle.
@connorwood9211
@connorwood9211 2 жыл бұрын
Why were these 2 put together for a fight? Because of all the Rule 34 "fanart" Also apparently in the German dub Renamon was voiced by a guy.
@AlexThat200
@AlexThat200 2 жыл бұрын
I thought it was because they were based on canines and are bipedal.
@mothified1676
@mothified1676 2 жыл бұрын
Go on bruh! Try to hit my solar plexus with that giant spike in the way, i dare you :p
@mechatar1051
@mechatar1051 2 жыл бұрын
Day 56 of asking for Game Theorist FNAF If you were to watch Digimon, you could definitely just Start with tamers (the third season) since each season after season 2 is seperate, but just start With season 1: Digimon Adventure, Tamers is better but i feel its better appreciated from the first 2 seasons
@furaos99
@furaos99 2 жыл бұрын
Lucario is believed to be a Jackal Pokemon
@RealB0ssMak3r
@RealB0ssMak3r 2 жыл бұрын
Lucario is a jackal like dog.
@levellearner4836
@levellearner4836 2 жыл бұрын
Lucario is my favorite Pokémon since I have the og movie on disc and he’s the goku of the Pokémon universe
@yukithemonsterguardian2337
@yukithemonsterguardian2337 2 жыл бұрын
Lucario is one of my favorite Pokemon from the Pokemon Franchise, he's up there with Pikachu, Greninja, Gardevoir, and Goodra.
@FrostedMike
@FrostedMike 2 жыл бұрын
Renamon is a weird digimon. She is a top tier rookie level digimon and can even take on some champion level digimon (one stage higher). However, there is a problem: Renamon is still a rookie level which limits her potential. Her evolution Kyubimon is stronger for obvious reasons, but surprisingly enough she is not as strong as you might think. Kyubimon have never displayed a special feat compared to other champion level digimon and seems to have the same strengths and limitations other champion levels have. High tier and stronger than Renamon, but nothing special. In a way, you can say there is a chance Renamon can beat her own evolution in a fight. Unlikely, but that chance exists.
@gunchar06
@gunchar06 4 ай бұрын
Uhm no, Kyubimon is still significantly stronger and has also more range than Renamon(Lucario would simply get stomped, which is exactly why they nerfed Renamon so hard to begin with), the only reason it looks unimpressive is that it's "just" a High Tier Champion while Renamon, Taomon(which has freaking Mega+ lvl defenses for example) and Sakuyamon are all straight up Top Tiers for their respective lvls.
@FrostedMike
@FrostedMike 4 ай бұрын
@@gunchar06 The point I was trying to make is that Kyubimon never impressed me when compared to other champion digimon. Watching the anime I can't remember a single time Kyubimon did something impressive to her level, but Renamon did many times. So my logic is if Renamon constantly breaks her limits while Kyubimon isn't, then what prevents Renamon to eventually beat Kyubimon? Renamon doesn't stomp Kyubimon, that much is obvious, but with enough training and strategy I can't see why Renamon can't beat Kyubimon at least with 1:30 - 1:50 ratio. Taomon and Sakuyamon are simply broken, it's not even a question and why I didn't bother mentioning them.
@gunchar06
@gunchar06 4 ай бұрын
@@FrostedMike I think your memories play a trick on you there, Kyubimon has easily beaten Digimon who bullied Renamon right beforehand on more than one occasion, has casually one-shotted Champion lvl Digimon on more than one occasion, has hurt Perfect lvl Digimon on more than one occasion and even affected/somewhat hurt a Mega lvl Digimon, it's well beyond average Champion lvl, but it showed that less frequently + appeared in general quite rarely(especially in comparison to Renamon), and simply lacks the broken hax/looks very tame in comparison to Taomon and Sakuyamon.
@adam-dn3hi
@adam-dn3hi 2 жыл бұрын
How is natsu vs ace spoilers its not your not watching any of these shows Its not spoilers
@mrluckyluke17
@mrluckyluke17 5 ай бұрын
14:55 that was a good Pun! Shut Up
@hallofguns8174
@hallofguns8174 2 жыл бұрын
I don't like this battle because neither fighter is at their best. Deathbattle is supposed to be 2 fighters at their best. Taomon, Renamon's final form, would destroy Mega Lucario. But even in these forms, I think Renamon has it in the bag. She is crazy fast and just because Lucario might see it coming doesn't mean he can avoid it. They take hits all the time.
@loganshaw9198
@loganshaw9198 2 жыл бұрын
Right were is Renamon fighting more like a ninja? If recario is fighting hand to hand like a martial artist.
@tristancampbell4941
@tristancampbell4941 2 жыл бұрын
You saying that Lucario is Goku makes me sad that Goku won't be in Smash😞
@BJGvideos
@BJGvideos 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, Lucario plays kinda like how that would happen anyway.
@trevorjohnsonn6779
@trevorjohnsonn6779 7 ай бұрын
It's ok cous lucario mega evolve in Pokemon and they dint put it in the Deathe mache
@RippahRooJizah
@RippahRooJizah 7 ай бұрын
They didn't put Renamon's evos in either.
@lucariomew365
@lucariomew365 2 жыл бұрын
I love my namesake, but no he's really not that impressive as a Pokemon. His popularity mainly comes from the coolness of his design and the 8th Pokemon movie and the anime series, which carried over to a few movie related Easter eggs in the gen 4 games. But I agree with the outcome since digivolution wasn't an option in this scenario.
@BJGvideos
@BJGvideos 2 жыл бұрын
And that Cynthia has one.
@lucariomew365
@lucariomew365 2 жыл бұрын
@@BJGvideos Mhm. Still the best champion to this day, all hail the queen👑.
@bloodwolfgaming9269
@bloodwolfgaming9269 Жыл бұрын
I think this one actually makes a lot of sense with the outcome. While both Lucario and Renamon have pretty decent offensive capabilities, Renamon is mostly a glass cannon. Yea, Renamon can take a few good hits, but not a lot in a drawn out fight. And while Lucario can also be seen as something of a glass cannon, preferring to quickly overpower their opponents as opposed to having a long drawn out fight, Lucario do have a bit more going in the way of defenses. While both exceed in the "quickly overpower the opponent" fighting style, Lucario edges out a little more with being a bit more defensive and would be most likely to hold out longer should a fight start to drag out a little.
@khulmach9662
@khulmach9662 5 ай бұрын
Renamon got smacked by adult and Perfect level Digimon and never died; you can call them glass canon, but they are not fragile.
@gunchar06
@gunchar06 4 ай бұрын
Renamon is anything but a glass canon, DB just lowballed her cause even banning evolutions wasn't enough to gift Pokemon a win XD...
@robertstepney8560
@robertstepney8560 8 ай бұрын
Lucario is a jackal actually
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