Liberal vs Conservative Lesbians | Middle Ground

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0:00 intro
0:34 The LGBTQIA+ community has moved too far to the left
16:08 I would date a trans woman
28:05 I don't understand how a lesbian can be conservative
40:04 Pride should be taught in classrooms
20:13 Lesbians can use he/him pronouns
49:05 Gay men are more socially accepted than lesbians

[@jubilee]

Unreleased prompt only on Patreon: bit.ly/3GrETBy “Pride should be taught in classrooms”

[@OpCzar]

Considering that the topic potentially deals with legislation and therefore could be tipping factor for both liberal and conservative sides, it's a pity that this was the one chosen to be paywalled.

[@WhyWorldWet]

Why is there always one loud outspoken Asshat or Biotch in these things lol. They should get red carded for being too aggressive and outspoken, and ruining the session. It’s low key bullying too.

[@ChristieinFlorida]

NO, pride should not be taught in classrooms. This should be up to the parents to teach them if they want. Children should only be worrying what toy they will play with next. You give these people an inch and they will take 10 miles.

[@aloe704]

Why are you doing this?

[@goodoldfashionedangel]

Yes, it should be taught. So should poc history.

[@ontherize28]

Attention Jubilee: Please work on including a professional moderator in these discussions. I’m tired of individuals dominating the debate and constant interruptions.

[@Indomita506]

It's not her fault some of them are weak spoken

[@andria8279]

@@Indomita506no it’s just about respect

[@lilyoh5780]

yes!

[@velocirizzo1850]

​@@Indomita506dumbest response

[@Indomita506]

@@velocirizzo1850 You can hate her all you want but at least she doesn't play victim card every 5 seconds as argument.

[@baraleguille]

Defining women as the "non-men" is the most misogynistic definition of a woman. Beauvoir already said it.

[@michaeljmyers1995]

correct me if im wrong: Its sexist because it takes their humanity away and individuality

[@viciouzvalentine4993]

its misandry too... want to step into masculine presentation, but hate men so much .... just smh....

[@rachelrobertson6570]

Exactly why is lesbianism now centred around men?

[@mel54556]

It also contradicts the entire point of lesbianism and makes 0 sense.

[@erenjaeger1738]

​@viciouzvalentine4993 These women are misogyny to themselves, and the same people complain about patriarchy but practice patriarchy themselves. They don't see the irony and see men always stay winning in sports and politics. These women have failed.

[@ritusharrmaa]

The way they call lesbians "non-men" infuriates me so much.

[@omarsinno2774]

They are not, they are calling people who are not men, non-men

[@ncrest4365]

@@omarsinno2774 then create a term for it. A triangular is non-square, a circle is non-square, a trapezoid is non-square, you get what I mean?

[@omarsinno2774]

@@ncrest4365 I get what you mean, but is it necessary? Take fruits for example, fruits that are not carrots are non-carrots, you cant really come up with a term for all the fruits that are not carrots. Ridiculous example I know but its the first thing that came to mind haha

[@ncrest4365]

@@omarsinno2774 Yes, it is necessary, because non-men is such a vague and broad term, it literally doesn't mean anything, and won't be taken seriously by anyone, much less trying to replace the word 'lesbian' with it. These extremist liberals gone overboard.

[@b1ak3]

You are clearly confused. In no way are they replacing the word lesbian with non men, they're referring to people who are NOT MEN as NON-MEN 😭 That's it.@@ncrest4365

[@naataliesb]

Am I the only one that thinks Arielle is insufferable? The other conservatives are much more respectful and aren't interrupting in the way Arielle is. She's not showing anyone on the opposite side a shred of empathy. She rejected the idea that she may be close-minded but also literally said at the beginning of the video that she's been stagnant and she's not changing her opinions. That's literally what being close-minded is.

[@lalalatwiluverlalala]

insufferable, you took the word out of my brain.

[@Electrotunez]

i love her, she fights for women and the preservation women's identities and everything they fought for. yes, she interrupted a bit, but i think any one of us would have if you are as passionate about a subject as she is. - but each to their own ofc.

[@rams812]

Although i agree with your first half, maintaining the same values and opinions is reasoning calls for it doesn't mean you're close-minded.

[@rissa8145]

​@@Electrotunezif she relates to them *

[@Pinky1babe]

@@ElectrotunezLiberal women also fight for those rights… we are just more inclusive to non-binary and trans individuals. That’s all.

[@licoriceow7535]

Y'all really need to do one with a group of americans and a group of non americans to confront them with reality outside of their country. It's sooooo necessary!

[@embracelifewithemily]

Yes

[@michaelturley3457]

Just curious, what do you think would come from it? In other words what do you think Americans need to be aware of from the outside perspective? I agree but in curious your perspective.

[@joannas8359]

YES

[@VoiceDivine]

Why? We’re allowed to discuss and fix the problems in our nation with outside affairs going on.

[@rshinsii]

you’d be shocked that we’ve got our OWN damn issues. bad.

[@mothmustardseed1858]

Two things that would improve this show substantially: 1. Include a moderator who prevents speakers from repeatedly interrupting others. 2. Provide “fact check” notes that appear onscreen so we can see what the speakers are referencing. I double Jubilee will do either, because they are driven by profit rather than a real desire to promote informative conversation.

[@showbizpizzafan66]

Fact checks would be amazing

[@all_corrupt_everything]

I would love it if they also kept the conversation more related to the prompt. Way too many tangents

[@kylieb5213]

They would have to actually produce facts, which is a problem rn

[@Random-sk6hm]

Actually they used to do both of these on older videos. They need to bring them back.

[@missknight9]

@@Random-sk6hmI agree. I think they wanted to keep it more organic, but it often just continues to devolve into chaos

[@letstalkaboutit3195]

Funny how the ones who talked less (from both sides) are the ones who convinced me more

[@shaunnajustus9268]

Homegirl in the plaid literally doesnt understand the whole "taking turns" thing... she just loves hearing her own voice and its like nails on a chalk board 😂

[@loveyourself3246]

she is a very, very intelligent person. and she has actual science and resources to back-up what she says. while the opposition just says "WE ARE BEING PERSECUTED!" with 0 evidence to back anything up at all lol.

[@moif_velocita]

@@loveyourself3246 She cherry picks her science, so no

[@mermaidmomma3696]

It's because she sounds like Ellen Degeneres 🤣🤣🤣

[@Moonlight-rave]

The black girl literally talked more and interrupted way more lol Arielle the girl you’re talking about barely interrupted and actually listened. You all just say anything I swear lol love to just talk talk talk and hear your own voice.

[@betterthanthat]

and she sounds like ellen degeneres too 😭 it makes it sooo much worse like please shut your mouth

[@spiralpower2795]

Reducing women to “non-men” is so insane and offensive to me as a woman.

[@misspiscesdreamz]

💯 it's sickening

[@Johan-di6md]

Snowflake lmao.

[@xinweili8537]

Like “men” is their benchmark and everything else is defined around that? Patriarchy really stinks here

[@evilpuck6100]

Yep

[@chilltarts]

@@Johan-di6md way to be a misogynist! 👏🏽 please, tell me more 🤔

[@sanae2796]

How can you possibly be a lesbian if you don’t even classify yourself as a woman???!!!

[@mattiestewart8371]

THIS!

[@Uncannyreindeer]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 wholeheartedly agree as a lesbian

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

Because it gives them more oppression points from wokies

[@chung-jenweng6454]

😂by changing the definition of lesbian as well. Duh

[@shenanigans-jn9kr]

Because they’re so “open minded” that their brains are falling out

[@madyhatter17]

I loved listening to Julia. She was very respectful. I wish Jubilee had a moderator for all the interrupting.

[@zineb3351]

Julia is classy unlike some of the lesbians in the video

[@jasmineprophete540]

Agreed

[@kashdark4586]

Julia is not even a lesbian, she recently came out as straight and her fans hate her bc she was just pretending and monetizing being a lesbian, so… she is not respectful

[@michelle_9875]

That’s so crazy that the Latina lady doesn’t realize that a feminine a Latina woman experiences a different life than a black masculine female. Me a bisexual feminine presenting woman has entire different experiences than my masculine lesbian friend

[@ashleynicholson8019]

She came with a different agenda, she clearly has several bias that weren’t touched in this debate.

[@anon2427]

Lord have mercy

[@reeeeeeeeee4364]

wtf

[@GromDarkwater]

When you insert race in a topic where it doesnt belong you have lost the argument and all credibility.

[@YL6374.]

@@GromDarkwaterexactly

[@moodymullet]

Y’all need to have people reminded to not interrupt eachother

[@willow1698]

Interruptions are part of conversation. Tbh I don't mind it as long as people are able to fight for themselves in the conversation if they want their point heard. Maybe it's based on how each individual grows up.

[@ContrarianConcervativePNW]

My problem is how much they cut to favor their own views. I want middle ground and if it needs to be longer or split in 2 parts to get it, so be it. You will never really get a middle ground with this lazy cut method.

[@SamanthaDean1]

It’s a debate, they are supposed to do that to each other

[@moodymanda6225]

That’s what a debate/ heated topic conversation usually is Grow up

[@sandmonke21]

u need to be reminded to lose weight on the daily ngl

[@cblynn8295]

Calling women "non-men" is so offensive

[@evepoole3966]

No it's not

[@ahogesupremacy]

but they're not men. is the english not clicking for you?

[@xanander4693]

@@evepoole3966💀

[@kenburns4017]

so you’re saying women are men ?

[@chatminou4058]

exactly. Im a woman. We don't call men non-women for the same reason unless were all just non-men and non-women. @@ahogesupremacy

[@karissabarron2872]

But if you’re open to someone’s “vibe” and just appreciate them for them, doesn’t that consider them pansexual instead of lesbian?!!????

[@once.upon.a.time.]

I think some people are more comfortable with pansexual and some are still more comfortable with lesbian. Ultimately, humans are just too complex and varied to fit neatly under these types of labels so I think it's best to just pick what you resonate with and then when (or if) the situation arises, just have an honest communication to express exactly what you mean. So often it seems division stems from not understanding what someone else means when they say something.

[@reeeeeeeeee4364]

@@once.upon.a.time. Humans are mentally ill gosh I need to find a nomrmal better species

[@multijxde1855]

well yes but i think they still have a preference clearly for women. or people who identify as such ig

[@user-vt2vv9ny7u]

Arielle just stood up at the Trans Woman question to not let them speak alone

[@yolandaponkers1581]

Arielle didn’t stand up to or for anyone. She just kept interrupting with ad hominem attacks.

[@mage758]

It would be interesting to see a conversation between lesbians and gay men.

[@waratah234]

would love to see a dialogue between lesbian men and gay women

[@felibarrabino7556]

@@waratah234?

[@mage758]

wtf is that@@waratah234

[@Venomenal91]

@@felibarrabino7556 exactly how I’m feeling 😂

[@RJonSaturn]

what would they talk about? they’re complete opposites when it comes to sexuality, lol

[@birthemuller7310]

I strongly reject the misogynistic implication that as a woman with PCOS I'm somehow intersex or less womanly. You literally can only have PCOS if you're a woman. Having higher T levels than other women doesn't change my sex, it doesn't make me intersex, and it doesn't make me less of a woman.

[@amde8554]

It’s really bizarre that they’re making that comparison

[@birthemuller7310]

@@amde8554 they're using every argument they can, no matter how phony or offensive

[@ba3725]

If you're an adult female, you're a woman, no insane group of people can ever make you less than when they're trying to mimic you. ❤

[@Random-sk6hm]

Wait I think you misunderstood that point. She wasn't saying that women with PCOS are intersex or less womanly etc. She was just pointing out that some women require hormones (for medical reasons etc.) and no one ever considers them to NOT be women. She was saying the exact opposite, she was saying you ARE a woman and that no one would ever invalidate you for that. I think it might have gotten confused cos she was listing multiple separate cases.

[@birthemuller7310]

@@Random-sk6hm I'm not a woman because I take estrogen, I'm a woman because I'm female.

[@Carla-dh8ve]

Arielle is so disrespectful dismissing everyone, interrupting everyone and then making everything about herself.

[@yolandaponkers1581]

She acted like a bratty middle schooler.

[@pastaisgood6681]

I like her

[@SavvyMuhon]

Normally I like Arielle, but she was acting wayyyy too aggressive and insufferable in this episode. Like girl you are not making your side look better

[@rachelmazza4079]

I think LGB is very different than TQIA+. Lesbians, gay, and bisexual was about who you love and want to have sex with because that deviates from heterosexuality. The TQIA+ is about IDENTITY and who you ARE as a person. Neither is better or worse. But they are DIFFERENT

[@antsatianaravelonjatovo860]

I totally agree with you lol. Im a bisexuel and im tired of inclu. We need to gatekeep its like essential there is a reason why the community was made in the first place.

[@mariafausti3128]

@@antsatianaravelonjatovo860i can see where you’re coming from, but the community wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for the efforts of the community as a whole, especially trans people

[@h.m.bergman5185]

even lesbians and gay men don't have much in common anymore, in my experience alot of lesbians are really homophobic towards gay men

[@psycherevivedby]

@@mariafausti3128The efforts of trans people have been massively dramatised. The people who did most of the work are gay, lesbians and bisexuals.

[@sealin01]

lgb is how you identify too??

[@sarsoura8289]

Ngl, I’m absolutely infuriated by the “liberal” lesbians continually referring to women as “non-men.” Respectfully, my existence as a woman is not relative to men, in the same way that men’s existence is not relative to ours as women. I am a woman because I share specific biological, physiological, and social traits with a large group of people, who are all also women. These similarities would still exist even if men had never existed. Extremely misogynistic take on all these women’s part IMO. Shame on you.

[@ba3725]

Liberals started to plunge downhill when people started to not know how to define "woman" tbh, but it was already falling down quickly.

[@daisy1686]

That is disgusting.

[@sarsoura8289]

@@daisy1686 What is, dear?

[@jesusmywholehaschanged]

They're so progressive that they have regressed on so many issues.

[@RichardsGaySon]

Isn’t it misogynistic to suggest that men can “identify” as women

[@tylerjakubowski9105]

THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE MEDIATION OVER PEOPLE CONSTANTLY INTERRUPTING OTHERS…. So annoying…

[@krieger1969]

Yeah I want to see an actual debate without personal feelings involved. And the passive aggression makes this so much harder to watch

[@TeenageDirtbag8]

Yes thank you

[@FabulousIcky]

I don't understand why Jubilee keeps inviting back Arielle. They KNOW how she behaves and what she does to the debate. It's definitely intentional at this point, and I want to understand why.

[@07sammm]

So true

[@MrsMockerman1011]

EXACTLY makes it impossible to watch

[@1cicilovesmusic]

I see a lot of people giving Becky and Julia praise but I also want to give a shout to Kennedy and Pamela! Pamela didn’t get to speak much but Kennedy definitely was able to get her thoughts across and remain respectful while disagreeing and I don’t see enough people mentioning her!

[@Cherokee92]

I think Arielle is the only person there who could walk forward in agreement and still turn the conversation into an argument

[@yolandaponkers1581]

Definitely. Such a combative and unproductive member of the discussion.

[@ramonamorris]

she’s exactly what this episode needed. nobody is safe to speak anymore nonsense when she is around 😂 period love to see it

[@avar5976]

It’s really interesting how you can tell who participates in this to learn from each other and who participates to fight and put the other side down

[@CherryCupcakePie]

every conservative 😂 just here to yell their ‘truth’ at others

[@frishter]

@@CherryCupcakePie "My truth" is not a phrase that came from conservatives, sorry to tell you that.

[@emileemay3208]

@@CherryCupcakePiethe only one you could BARELY argue that with us Arielle…and even she was pretty open minded here. the liberal side though? there were two people who literally fought tooth and nail (and made up obscene lies) to prove their “truth”…not sure why you think conservatives were the one who came up with that saying but they’re not.

[@VoVina111]

@@CherryCupcakePie did .. did you watch the same video that we did? lol

[@michaelstimpfl9814]

@@CherryCupcakePie Everyone can have opinions, if the liberals can have an opinion, then why can't the conservatives? Every thing about the LGBTQ+ community is about acceptance.

[@madisonjolie1224]

I think that they should make sure everyone on the panel gets to talk before people who already spoke do so again.

[@will506]

that’s too restrictive for a productive debate. arielle just needs a little more patience and to avoid interrupting them

[@RorysStory84]

Agreed, if I wanted to know how Ariel felt about everything question I’d go to her channel. It’s unfortunate that we didn’t get to hear as much from the other guests.

[@alice2923]

OR people should learn to speak up.

[@madisonjolie1224]

@@alice2923 💀

[@WhyWorldWet]

100% “You had your turn, STFU”

[@user-bl9rc1po2f]

I’m genuinely curious as to how a movement that has come to label women as “non-men” and argue that sex and gender can be determined by whether you’re into stereotypical “masculine” or “feminine” things can view itself as progressive.

[@gaytoast]

They aren't progressive at all. You got it.

[@winstonanspach6779]

literally not at all what they’re saying about sex or gender lmao

[@gaytoast]

@@winstonanspach6779 oh? What are they saying?

[@psycherevivedby]

It's just misogyny repackaged.

[@Neutrois]

Because we can defy the stereotypes without going to jail now.

[@richarmand7940]

"Give me specifics." "That's privilege."

[@JamieBrickett]

Saying you’re not a women and you’re lesbian is insane😭

[@testiesteye6797]

When I first looked up the definition of lesbian, it was "the female act of homosexuality." So, if Nazreen's biological sex is female and they only like females, then they can be a lesbian.

[@missandry2669]

@@testiesteye6797She’s a woman a delusional one

[@aspebb]

​@@testiesteye6797But they don't identify as a woman, though. It feels like a one or the other.kind of thing.

[@testiesteye6797]

@@aspebb I'm talking about biological sex, not gender identity. Homosexuals are same-sex attracted.

[@katie7513]

@@aspebbbecause gender ≠ sex. they are female but they identity as non hinary

[@shannon_w.]

I would love to see a middle ground with these younger lesbian women and older lesbian women. I would love to see what the older women think of where the community is now.

[@sulbamt7622]

SAME

[@thetillerwiller4696]

OMG YES!!!

[@theresas740]

We cannot believe this horseshit.

[@crewxp]

I don't think that would be as interesting as youd think lol. The older generation would probably School the younger

[@steph367]

@@crewxpwhich is why it would be interesting to

[@natedog2014]

I still dont get how someone can be lesbian but not a woman?

[@noorlita]

cognitive dissonance is a ho

[@Al-jv7bv]

if somebody identifies as a lesbian or likes the term, let them, who cares

[@natedog2014]

@@Al-jv7bv usually I agree but lesbian is a specific term to represent a minority that deserves representation. By saying one can be this without actually identifying what it is you actually hurt those that do identify with it.

[@hydelefant]

Because for most likely a majority of people their sexuality has a lot to do with genital preference, I think it's an okay id in situations where the non-binary person is assigned female at birth and has not had bottom surgery (they still have female reproductive organs). Maybe they identified as lesbian before realizing their gender identity, and since people tend to stick to familiarity they might still want to id as lesbian. Especially if they use all pronouns or a she/they combination. But that's just how I view it, people have differing opinions.

[@--noname-4749]

@@hydelefantwhat about post op AMAB non binary lesbians you know there’s like 20 of them in the jtoh community

[@Alex-ql9pc]

I think we need more people like Becky in positions of power. She has her own beliefs and ways of thinking but comes with a willingness to see anothers perspective.

[@wildflower_gypsy]

yea im straight but i think im in love 😂 she was my favorite!!

[@HaileyGraceL]

Yeah, funny that Becky is more masculine than that “non binary lesbian”.

[@yolandaponkers1581]

There was a coldness to Becky that I found hard to relate to. Plus, she kept contradicting herself during the trans segment.

[@maddistories]

i miss the days in which participants hugged each other cause they actually found middle ground. these days it’s just a debate :(

[@tessaelto1472]

fr it's honestly just almost aggressive from the beginning when they should be coming in open to a *middle ground*

[@tanishapark6314]

Yes but for me a very thought provoking debate

[@imabitch222]

That's the whole point dummy, if everyone came to hug each other...we would def know who the lesbians are

[@WhyWorldWet]

Agreed. One Asshat always ruins it for the rest. They should get red carded and booted off after two or three warnings. Everyone looked upset and sad, that she just ruined the whole episode. It would have flowed so much better if they would have removed that one girl.

[@annafrancescachereches754]

sadly the episodes with the screaming matches get the most views more likely.... I wish they would cut out the bits where people interrupt eachother, like thats not what I'm here for...

[@gracieshelly5908]

“I believe in freedom of speech” then proceeds to cut off or interrupt any person who disagrees with her 😭

[@JamesJones-tl4yy]

You don't understand freedom of speech

[@rams812]

How are those things related?. She's not telling them they can't say things. She's just rude. So again, how are they related?

[@JamesJones-tl4yy]

@rams812 lol use your critical thinking skills. Put yourself in another's shoes.

[@rams812]

@@JamesJones-tl4yy maybe find a brain first and actually answer my question. Interrupting and cutting off doesnt counter believing in freedom of speech. Just means your rude and carry an inability to wait. Doesnt take too much critical thinking to see that, but maybe you lack any level of thinking

[@nicolemarlin6900]

That’s the conservative way!

[@CommanderLily]

I never believed i would be watching a debate between "conservative" lesbians and "liberal" lesbians and one of the participants would be Arielle Scarcella

[@Strawberrymustard]

I do not understand why they are only talking from a first world view perspective. when she asked what laws are against LGBT they just said that they were talking about america why are they only talking about america? Why dont we talk about the laws at afghanistan where its ILLEGAL to be LGBTQ or from where I from Turkey I cannot open up about my sexuality. This issue is so much deeper than they realize

[@LaSantaPatrona]

Americans are very self centered people and they definitely don’t care about you and your problems because the world revolves around them. When you guys start trending on X or Facebook that’s when they’ll for sure chime in and start giving their opinions. They’re pushing sooo far ahead without even thinking or caring bout who they leave behind. While they can stay in their country and bicker over pronouns, people lose their lives in other countries because as you say, they can’t even open up publicly about that.

[@doctorsree]

bc this jubilee debate is in context of america, not other countires

[@kimjongunstan2912]

Amber talking about "privilege" when her father is a literal millionaire LOL

[@eat.food.not.friends]

But she doesn't have "white privilege"! In my case "white privilege" means that I grow up with an alcoholic father, and literally no money, in a very small flat. But somehow I have more privilege than her because she's black!?

[@edricducusin8993]

Damn

[@jordanweber3381]

You're allowed to have privilege and also acknowledge privilege. We also don't know what was edited out.

[@mcwompwomp]

@@jordanweber3381mental gymnastics

[@kimjongunstan2912]

@@jordanweber3381 She didn't acknowledge her own privilege, she played victim and acted like everyone else in the room had more privilege than her. She's out of touch.

[@Wiggityways]

I love how calm and polite Becky is while talking about heavy issues. Very accepting but still firm in her beliefs.

[@Kali08012]

I agree

[@thecamillarose9806]

I loved her

[@user-yg7fv3jo8v]

Critical! PaleXXXXn Hummus strongly opposes the LGBT community and homosexuals. Reports include instances of torture, arrests, and threats against community members.There are videos showing that Palestinians have hanged homosexuals in the street. You are invited to watch, though it is not easy watch. "LGBTQ+ community persecuted by Hamas in Gaza " On Balance NewsNation and "i24NEWS: 'When I was 17, Hamas caught me with my boyfriend'

[@anitaraggini7695]

Opposed to ariel who is straight up mean

[@sophienathaniel2089]

Yes and she was actually open to listening and understanding a different perspective as opposed to Sasha and Arielle

[@Rija000]

I like Pamela...she didn't speak much, but when she said what she had it was very wise, she got to the root of the problem and everyone just listened. It was with some kind of authority, but kind and sensitive. I like people who actually listen to others instead of just wanting to say anything just to speak.

[@absolutelydefensible3635]

Few people are as determined to do anything in life as Amber was determined to NOT answer the simple and basic question of "What rights do we not have?"

[@kawehionalani3957]

As a total outsider, the problem seems to be language. Words are getting re-defined causing chaos.

[@Foob2TheR]

Americans are all very lucky they weren't born in the Middle East. So lucky that they create their own struggles just so other's can feel bad for them.

[@slsthewriter1299]

I HAVE LITERALLY BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS. So much of our issues as a whole is just…it's language. People get confused over what others are trying to say, but they only have their own experiences to fall back on, so it just ends up in this constant loop.

[@endeavor1664]

Language is the root of it for sure, but the problem now is that they’re using these new definitions to justify invading spaces that used to be just for lesbians or just for women

[@LittlestLilly]

But words like "they/them" as singular pronouns have been used for centuries already. That hasn't been redefined - more people are just being exposed to it and don't seek to learn.

[@Tiffany-bd1eb]

I feel like social media has made it worse. Online bubbles aside, never in our history have we been looking at and communicating by written text so much.

[@NicolonCancer]

So if lesbian is non men loving non men… what is women loving women? Not all women want to be reduced to being “non men”

[@chung-jenweng6454]

😂eventually you guys would embrace the progress like wearing pants - their logic

[@yolandaponkers1581]

But no one is reducing you to any label you don’t feel comfortable with. The whole point of progress and change and expansion is to include others, not force anything on you. It’s not about you.

[@ChurrosAreSexy]

Including others does not mean you’re being excluded

[@anthonymc8361]

@@yolandaponkers1581 "it's not about you". Do you realize how ironic that sentence is?

[@galikafry8494]

Why does it heppen? Why is the gay community so busy fighting bigotry when it barely exist anymore in America? Being privileged isnt a curse

[@Batmanpooped]

This was exhausting. What a draining way to experience life.

[@chouaibsasmr]

Lmao I agree 😂😂😂

[@pencil6965]

Lol yes. Sometimes I just watch these videos to remind myself of how much I appreciate simplicity in life

[@Biggie123Fol]

Amber comes across as a privileged professional victim

[@arwroaming7477]

100%. Poor me poor me so annoying

[@jasmineprophete540]

Amber obviously is more aware and works on a board of seeing what we go through legally and it’s a lot to experience. I’m not surprised she feels so much emotional turmoil because she’s in it so deeply

[@Biggie123Fol]

@@jasmineprophete540 Spoken like a true professional victim!

[@p4nd4b01]

Do you label everyone with whom you disagree a "victim"?

[@teenasty369]

It was difficult to watch.

[@xDreamBiqx]

I don't get why they changed the definition of lesbian. Lesbian is women loving women. Its almost invalidating that they did that. Non-men loving non-men? the lgbtq+ community tries to be inclusive, yet we couldnt create new terms for those that don't identify as women, but love women/non-men

[@will506]

maybe to create confusion to take advantage of open minded, compassionate people that may be oblivious to the contradictions within the ideology

[@velatoget]

Creating new terms and changing definitions is how the entire gender topic exists. They just make things up and change things to get their narrative to work -- even though it doesn't work.

[@MsBlushing24]

It promotes the idea that men are the default.

[@Thereasonyoudontlikeme]

I’m confused asf with this comment

[@Victori.A1]

And there ARE terms for that. Non binary people only attracted to women are *trixic*. I really don't know why they insist that they are lesbians

[@katara9]

I love that Pamela spoke up about language being the main divider in these topics. It points out, in my opinion, that we may be more similar in our thoughts than we think, but that language is what divides us. It's often what divides generations, it's what makes it hard for us to understand each other.

[@cel.2263]

yeah, but i feel like they were wrong to dismiss to "it's just language" that divides them. language is HUGE. my main issue with the liberals is how they fail to explain how being inclusive on languages can translate to being inclusive on rights and acceptance. if you don't explain how those are related, than it becomes a discussion without any impact.

[@summermoore7707]

Great point. The laws vs acceptance conversation was a big takeaway from this video. It seems they found middle ground on need for acceptance, but not legislature. Excellent mention of a forgotten conversation from the leftists that may have connected the two for the conservatives. I think there was an attempt when protection was brought up. I'd love to see this group react to the LGBTQIA+ Christian middle ground from last month. Religious freedom/our country being based on christian ideals being the cause of lack of protection/laws would have been an interesting prompt here.@@cel.2263

[@animezae]

@@cel.2263and it’s really not JUST language. It’s the actions that stems from and influences the language that also poses issue.

[@THEalishahnator3000]

​@@animezaewho was pamela thoo??

[@angelazsz]

@@cel.2263great reply!

[@latonyanewsome0]

If you start accepting everyone then you lose the meaning of what a lesbian is.

[@LaSantaPatrona]

That’s what they want. Women as a whole have come so far and broke free from oppressive men, only to have the throw on frocks and invade our spaces.

[@sarahp6554]

I kept waiting for Pamela to speak. Since she was so quiet for so long, I just wanted to hear her thoughts on things.

[@Blueeyesinthesky]

I feel like it’s important to be respecting the “base” sexes. To basically call women “non-men” and making this stuff based around men is def misogynistic.

[@Momo-po5tn]

They dont respect them, thats why

[@danishamcclendon]

That was my thought too like ,why are we centering men with our identity.

[@eritakahashi1765]

Genuinely curious, are men considered anything non women? Just such a crazy way to talk, I really don't understand this and how non binary fits into this

[@nao_directioner3191]

no because they are some non binary persons who are gay and say that it's non women loving non women

[@katie7513]

@@eritakahashi1765yes men fit into the category of non women

[@mariesindlerova9663]

Amber: Detransitioners are just soo small percentage of people we should not talk about it...also Amber: It does not matter if intersex people are only 1% we should acknowledge it in the topic

[@Bionic_Webb]

That part irritates me so bad she a hypocrite

[@motleyminded85]

Even if 1% of the trans population ends up detransitioners (the number is actually higher), there are thousands upon thousands in the USA alone, and they don't deserve to be invalidated and have their experiences/trauma swept under the rug. We can't fix problems if we refuse to acknowledge them.

[@mikavargas1749]

well 2% of the WORLD population is intersex so like… 13.5 million or smth? and less than 1% of trans people have de transitioned so like… 2 thousand? i feel like that’s a large large different ..

[@reeceassify]

​@@motleyminded85exactly or the numbers will grow. Not to many religious parents were taking their kids to camps to stop being gay but when few did it more and more ended up doing it so yes by not acknowledging the problem only makes it worse.

[@shani5345]

And LGBTQ + is a very small percentage of the population. I guess she is discrediting her community.

[@TheKickinStudios]

Ambers response to being proven wrong is "you're privileged" everytime. i can't confirm this because i no nothing about her outside of this video but she's coming off as a narcissist

[@julia.c.mcclure92]

Which is crazy because she’s the daughter of a millionaire lol

[@MarshIsQueer]

Arielle gets on my nerves so bad 💀 Like girl let them speak. Also what really ticked me off was "queers for palestine, really? go there & see what happens", actually look into the queer experience in Palestine rn, actually look into it. Anyone using that excuse, look what queer people are actually doing to prove that wrong, Palestinians are just trying to stay alive & NEED THE SUPPORT & HELP, THAT'S WHAT MATTERS. Living & keeping their familes & others alive is their focus. (I used to watch her growing up, when I realized I was a lesbian I started searching for lesbian & other queer creators. She is 1 of the 2 queer creators I watched growing up that I genuinely find insufferable.)

[@wumbo277]

It's so crazy growing up watching Amber and Arielle on KZbin back in the OG lesbian KZbinr days seeing them go on so many trips together, filming videos together, and having the same friend group, to becoming so distant and not on speaking terms anymore.

[@katecollins2471]

Was Arielle always so annoying?

[@dafnev3643]

@@katecollins2471 As far as i know yes, she was unhinged and not for beign conservative, its that she took it so far that it become what she criticize (irony)

[@angelazsz]

@@katecollins2471yea she was in a past video and was very annoying too lol

[@babsywoman4212]

​@@katecollins2471I like her. She is just passionate.

[@JakobTennisMB]

I think they're both at fault. As a moderate, some of Arielle's positions are a little extreme and her behavior is sometimes a little hostile and erratic, but Amber's opinions are also totally unhinged sometimes. They both just changed for the worse, I think.

[@ellixrose2650]

I consider myself progressive, but I think we're going in the wrong direction when words stop having meanings.

[@FatalCroissant]

What do you mean?

[@meganw-w3725]

100%!!!

[@madalasorgente]

.

[@youtubeposter3814]

@@FatalCroissantThat the word woman has no inherent meaning, being defined only as people who identify as it. That extreme of inclusivity causes the word to lose virtually all of its descriptive power.

[@kn7833]

​@youtubeposter3814 are you scared people won't know your gender ? Or are you scared that people who don't look like you identify as the same gender as you? If so how does that negatively impact you ?

[@gabrialjackson5878]

Very timely debate. We need more conversations like this. 👍

[@MichaelsInCharge]

I'm finding myself agreeing with the conservative lesbians. The lefts stance is mind blowing to me.

[@yolandaponkers1581]

There’s a reason for that. It’s because Jubilee has a covert conservative slant that they’re attempting to pass off as seeking the reasonable middle ground.

[@omnium_gatherum]

When someone brings up intersex like it's some kind of gender identity instead of a biological reality for those individuals, it's just so incredibly disrespectful and ignorant 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@alisonmercer5946]

the amount of destranstioners or unhappy with their transition is more than one percent. Those one percent are warped

[@alisonmercer5946]

idk why i said that under your comment because it has nothing to do with what u said

[@omnium_gatherum]

@@alisonmercer5946 😂 no worries

[@endeavor1664]

@@alisonmercer5946 it is somewhat related because Amber tried to claim there are more intersex people than detransitioners which is simply not true! She was just using them as a pawn for her nonsensical argument

[@TIRFemcel]

​@@endeavor1664 Nope, there are about 5.6 million intersex people in the US alone which is more than total people who identify as trans in the US which is around 1.6 million, according to some studies up to 8% of that are detransitioners, combined by 3% of people who detransitioned at the time of the survey and 5% of people who had done so in the past, safe to assume that detransitioning numbers are not only low, but also most people who detransition continue transitioning later on. Source: google

[@KLCeup]

Amber screaming about privilege whilst having a multimillionaire father is sending me Edit: YES there are different forms of privilege. NO she is not a victim of them.

[@JULSIEK]

who is her father?

[@JR_Donofrio]

@@JULSIEKthat’s what I want to know

[@nicola19cola100]

Omg does she lmao

[@KLCeup]

She’s the daughter of a professional football player.

[@themichiganderlesbians]

having privilege doesn’t mean you don’t experience bad things, having privilege means you aren’t disadvantaged by what you’re not. amber is the only person in the room who is a black and masc, all of the other women have a privilege that they don’t face oppression for that. amber has privilege bc she’s rich, they’re all privilege bc they’re able bodied, and attractive. but all of them do not have the privilege of being heterosexual. you get it now?

[@dorothiemorris8142]

I feel like we deserved regular lesbians.. lol not social media influencers or women in the spotlight. How about political women or regular blue collar women that we who are watching this can relate too

[@b1ak3]

Kind of off topic but i lovveee how well spoken, soft, and polite kennedy is (im only like 10 mins in idk if it stays that way) but shes sooo pretty and like elegant Edit she was

[@once.upon.a.time.]

Yess I really admired how poised and articulate she was (as well as Julia and Becky). I thought Arielle was rude with how she was quick to interrupt but I still envy how quick she is with her speech 😅

[@braydendukes6633]

Also, Becky at 24:00 did something I literally have seen hardly no one do, understand someone else's point. This how you know Becky is being humble and genuine in this conversation. She was actually willing to think through someone else's point and say she understands their point

[@RalvA101]

thats what I was thinking too, I definitely dont agree with her but at least she was willing to listen to what the others had to say lmao

[@ChampionShogo]

Beckys the only person here that speaks with any coherence whatsoever.

[@courtneymcphilbin1484]

Becky is a Queen. Love her points of view and her empathy and understanding!

[@ananananumumumumu3706]

bare minimum

[@sad_vegan507]

I like Becky she’s got swag 👏🏼

[@hhall7193]

“Non-men”. How are you going to make the definition of woman completely androcentric? 😂 I can’t believe I’m alive to watch lesbians and likely self-proclaimed feminists essentially asserting that men and the default, and women are ‘other’.

[@misspiscesdreamz]

It's ridiculous!

[@dudeorduuude5211]

They are undoing all the hard work of the generations before them.

[@ameyorin]

Simone de Beauvoir is rolling in her grave!

[@switzjon8405]

You don't have to in this community to know ANY human walking the planet knows women are non men

[@MsAussieSheila]

whilst claiming "patriarchy".. um these "non men" are the patriarchy, not actual men.

[@elsie384]

Why tf are they saying “intersex humans” instead of “intersex people”?? Why was that verbage corrected?

[@milktea-xb6gq]

Probably for the animal-kin, animal-self pronoun, furry folk...

[@staishamichelle1232]

When your only argument is privilege, you don’t have an agreement

[@TheMoises1213]

Agreed

[@Dasiah_Gaming]

What?

[@sydney2833]

i wish jubilee would start platforming every day ppl instead of influencers/ socialites

[@emoyunho]

no literally arielle has been on here before and shes so infuriating

[@ElKnoppers]

​@@emoyunho why?

[@user-fi2yx7gz4n]

@@emoyunhowho is that??

[@LimitedEditioneo]

I don’t think non-influencers are ready to take on the backlash that comes from this.

[@jinx724]

I'd love it tbh, I would love to write an essay or do a video anything so they could start picking ppl who are more based and don't have a platform

[@Popartastic]

I'm a tired lesbian. (tired of terfs)

[@sagen06]

So quit?

[@korneliaklamann8743]

real

[@korneliaklamann8743]

@@sagen06 quit what?

[@kleomarx8390]

ask @Jessica Kirson

[@yourlocallesbian6448]

I'm a tired lesbian too tried of the LGBTQ

[@yuenmwjh4343]

Thank you Becky and Kennedy, very well spoken people

[@luisefelix]

I would be in the side of conservative lesbians But The girl interrupting everybody💀💀💀 omgggggggg get a better therapist, learn manners, i got your points but pleaseeeee get a mediator for this debates

[@justvibing2808]

Same I never thought I side with conservatives but I do in this topic I guess, she was very loud

[@destinymanns4890]

I don’t think Arielle is always necessarily wrong but her delivery is… like you can get your point across without being aggressive and rude

[@Indomita506]

Compare to Amber who doesn't have any arguments

[@cindybarretto]

I think sometimes there need to be aggressive conservatives just like there are so many aggressive liberals that have caused people to lose jobs and worry about their lives.

[@biasantos1405]

I mostly strongly agreed with what she said and I thought the same, her delivery comes as aggressive even though that may not be the intention.

[@hellixodev]

yea. same thing with Blaire White. The mean girl attitude can be entertaining for videos where you're on your own. but in a real life setting, the whole 'gotcha' thing is so insufferable and counterproductive.

[@01neveroddoreven10]

@@LalaDepala00This is Middle Ground though, the whole point is to be open minded and hear the other side out, not to do gotcha's and be aggressive about your viewpoints. There is a way to express your opinions and facts respectfully like pretty much everybody but those two did.

[@leviolson3977]

I didn’t like Ambers “you’re privileged” attacks. Her statements were being questioned and she immediately dismissed it as not being able to understand/privileged. It came across as some sort of superiority complex.

[@danielled.2169]

it's a defense mechanism to try and "check" the other person. In order to have an opinion, one must first humble themselves and go through some struggle session.

[@jayterra2060]

@@danielled.2169it’s rehashing CRT theory. Not a test. Intersectionalism is a hallmark of what kids are learning now.

[@TheVerucAssault]

Also she's not underprivileged if her father was an American football player. Just checking out her mom looks white, not Hispanic which makes the whole "you present differently than me" thing laughable. Here's hoping people like her that still fling this word around see the error in their mental gymnastics and put more of their time into something that logically makes sense instead of participating in Oppression Olympics.

[@15jewjew]

The problem is she has a darker skin complexion and a course texture. She's gonna be more of a target than someone who looks white at first glance. Things are a bit more complicated, but at it's core I think that's what she was getting at.

[@racheljane_]

It is. This whole worldview doesn’t deal with actual arguments, it focuses on deflecting and diminishing people depending on what class they are in.

[@splash8239]

guys pamela was saying some incredible things, turn her mic up

[@Ry9653]

I loved Julia! I think I agreed with everything she said.

[@abcelu]

Arielle is the type of person who comes for a debate and thinks she's gonna win rather than trying to reach a middle ground

[@Sunshine-is_here_to_stay]

She seemed very reasonable & level headed.

[@1love847]

Her tone of voice is completely grating on my nerves.

[@symuelleleones]

She's fed up to all these new rules and nonsensical ideas.

[@meowy4720]

Who even cares about a "middle ground"? That's not the point of debating.

[@AmalSaidi123]

@@Sunshine-is_here_to_staynot when she brought up palestine

[@MaricianDedeauxBrown]

People come to these “debates” unprepared. If you want an honest debate, come with facts, data, and stats.

[@kayhaich]

Stats and "facts" can be challenged...I don't think anyone tunes into Jubilee that anyway, sounds really boring.

[@Isa-vi5hh]

Yes, that's basically arguing

[@anonymousbo0318]

​@kayhaich 😂 🤡. Just admit, you're outclassed, and you're discussing things you don't even understand, child.

[@lemax4277]

Assuming this is supposed to be a debate and not just what can you both agree upon to count as middle ground. If this is supposed to be a debate then I agree people should start using their own sources to back themselves up even if it’s going to be challenged. Problem is no matter what statistics you show others will claim that their personal experiences outweighs the statistics sometimes.

[@Strange9952]

It's very difficult to do that because then someone would not have read those facts and data and had not come to their conclusions on it facts are facts, what you conclude from those facts is not decided yet, especially in social sciences and whatnot

[@rosemaryazelton2734]

"They'd never take away gay marriage, that's not happening" ......do we not remember Roe v. Wade being overturned????

[@chri5ette2.0]

okay but let’s think realistically. they’re not going to make gay marriage illegal, it’s simply not going to happen. sure there’s ppl who want it to be illegal but it’s not gonna happen.

[@harleyivy3463]

Thank you Pamela! When it comes disability rights our movement is often forgotten!

[@Keziah2447178]

The intersex topic gets thrown around a lot in debates like these and it’s frustrating because being trans and being intersex are so different. Gender dysphoria is literally recognized in the DSCM and the treatment for it is social transition, medical transition or both. Trans people take hormones to “fix” the disconnect between their brain and body. Intersex individuals are born biologically diverse. Meaning they could be born with a variety of both male/female characteristics (chromosomes, genitalia, etc). Intersex people would possible take hormones or have surgeries to literally biologically balance out hormones I see the similarities but comparing them is really like apples to oranges in my opinion.

[@jessycag1341]

I think the reason it gets brought up so often is to illustrate that people naturally exist outside the gender binary because a lot of anti-trans arguments center around "what you're born as" or, like in this video, whether or not you need to take hormones or undergo medical procedures to match how you identify. I agree that trans and intersex are 2 different categories, but they aren't entirely mutually exclusive because some intersex people identify as trans. Trans means you do not identify or match the gender you were assigned at birth, and if someone finds out they are intersex, they may find they no longer identify with their assigned gender.

[@user-mb4li5fq9f]

I agree, it's sad that intersex people are used as a golden example of the trans community when they aren't even trans. They are people born with physical deformities

[@Arthurian.]

Using intersexuals is only for using them as a pawn. They do not care about them and only aim to exploit them for their own gain .

[@tristacarter2894]

​@jessycag1341 people with intersex conditions are still either going to be male or female. Medical anomalies shouldn't be brought up when arguing for something that's an ideology and not scientific at ALL

[@scottandrews3452]

Thank you for saying this

[@sweetlolitaChii]

The term "non-men" needs to go out the back door. Somebody escort it, please.

[@carlosperalta1714]

Take it behind the shed too

[@sambatra6162]

frr

[@user-bt8si6kw9o]

Why should it? a lesbian is a non men loving a non men.

[@Amatureb]

No way I'm 'escorting' it. That term doesn't deserve that respect. I'm grabbing it by the collar and chucking it outside.

[@sevenheavens-gj9qq]

Agreed.

[@Roseva-kz7uf]

This was very interesting and informative

[@Val-rd4lb]

To grow you have to have your mind open and actually be listening

[@ClaireSamuelsVA]

40:41 If pronouns don’t equal your gender, how does using the wrong pronouns misgender someone?

[@ana..a.]

thats what im saying bro these people dont even know what theyre talking abt yet say how theyre more educated in all these topics 💀😭😭

[@Momo-po5tn]

Girl the delussssion

[@ebbypetes]

Confusion of the highest order 😂😂😂😂😂

[@sunnyl8276]

💯

[@ShaawtyB]

Yo 💯😂😂😂

[@babybecz]

I think its wild that some people want to say they dont like labels yet all they seem to do is label themselves

[@SuperKat1100]

Best comment

[@Night_Sirenn]

Yea bc there’s more fluidity and openness to express oneself nowadays

[@r-ex2945]

And Label people who do not follow their ideas :p.

[@shani5345]

Exactly what I said!

[@Night_Sirenn]

@@r-ex2945 does not negate the fact that it’s a net positive for people to have the language to express themselves lol

[@neurotransit]

Nice, the whole video was just Arielle talking over literally everyone. (this is sarcasm I dislike her greatly)

[@sogcig]

she spit facts after facts tho it was satisfying

[@CongenitalArtDefect]

Agreed

[@Teez_well]

16:35 Calling sexuality a genital preference is disgusting and I’m glad Arielle called her out.

[@once.upon.a.time.]

I think it's fine if it makes you personally uncomfortable but it doesn't make other people uncomfortable and they prefer using it. I don't think there should be a problem with using the language that you are comfortable using to describe things like that.

[@jasmineprophete540]

well if you bring up genitals then it’s a genital preference

[@Teez_well]

@@jasmineprophete540oh so as long as I don’t bring it up, then it’s fine? I can still reject str8 women that wanna cosplay as gay men?

[@Teez_well]

@@once.upon.a.time.I’m not uncomfortable with vajays. That’s not the point. I just don’t want anything sexually to do with them.

[@sai6118]

​​@@Teez_wellnobody is gonna break your door down at night because you rejected someone lol

[@Christa.steiner7]

“My sexuality has nothing to do with the way I believe our government should be spending our taxes.” This I LOVE

[@catheroni]

I loved this. I'm not particularly conservative but this idea that because of our sexuality we should have a rigid set of beliefs and act in a certain way, is absolutely ridiculous.

[@ELmayberry]

yesss 👏🏽👏🏽

[@gingerelle1]

It does if those tax dollars are spent creating legislation for hate groups to masquerade their tirade against queer people (see: Florida and its Don't Say Gay legislation".

[@mojochay]

But it does when it directly funds things that harm us and/or does not fund to help us whatsoever even when we need it

[@Kiidomaru]

Wait when was this? Timestamp?

[@jp6846]

okay, someone help me understand: - your name does not define your gender - your clothes/hair/makeup does not define your gender - your pronouns do not define your gender but - gender is expression??? Then how can someone referring to you as a different name or pronouns, or categorizing you differently based on their understanding of gender, invalidate your gender? What makes your gender valid? Does your entire identity hinge on other people's validation and approval of your expression without question? That seems...unhealthy.

[@arashf6094]

They wont admit it but essentially they believe very hardly on gender stereotypes to validate their gender.

[@miaseb9009]

This is a really great question, here’s just my point of view on the topic: gender expression and gender validity are all about the individual person. Someone’s personal name, pronouns, or clothing choices do not define THIER specific gender, but rather their own gender identity is how they personally determine it to be through self discovery, and it is up to the people around them to decide whether or not they will respect how that person wishes to be viewed and referred to as. I hope this made sense and provided some clarity. Overall, I personally have come to an understanding that if people are not harming anyone else, then do things like clothing, pronouns, gender, or sexuality labels really matter THAT much just to release more negative energy towards people? If we all are just living side by side with respect for one another then I think we are doing pretty okay :)

[@TCakes]

It is unhealthy. The reason this nonsense even gained so much traction is social media. I guarantee you that it never would have been a thing if constant external validation wasn’t at your fingertips 24/7

[@kn7833]

The answer is its different for everyone. And the more we realize that there are so many variations and combinations of humans maybe you and others will explore (and accept) your own variations.

[@taechimyoonkookie8647]

Bingo!

[@blueplumeria96]

wow yes Kennedy 🤩 so on point every single point✨

[@whatever5401]

Can someone explain how you could possibly be a lesbian if you don't even identify as a woman?

[@aaronmargerum5745]

Christians, Jews, and Muslims. I’d love to see a Middle Ground with all the Abrahamic religions

[@secularbabe]

That’s gonna be one crazy video lol

[@faeezparkar9731]

We are done with abhramic religions, want to see more eastern religions now

[@hair4571]

@@faeezparkar9731 eastern religions aren’t really controversial so there won’t be much drama there

[@erenjaeger1738]

They did like few years ago

[@camm8642]

Oh dear....

[@chad9049]

"What they EDITED OUT: when we called out Amber on the privilege talk. Did you know Ambers dad was in the NFL and she went to private school her whole life? Nope, because they edited out to help her continue being a victim."

[@AJ-lm5dl]

Oof

[@theapex1762]

She was saying not being able to see another persons point of view and empathize with that is privilege cause it is you’ve been sheltered to the point where you believe someone else’s reality is just an anomaly or just straight up not real

[@chad9049]

@@theapex1762 No, she was saying the other people she was arguing with were privileged solely due to their skin color whilst being more privileged herself. The average dipshit lefty tactic

[@mitrigash3519]

wait who said that?

[@uwishuknewnunya7845]

FACTS

[@Vromokaltsa]

Arielle is insufferable.

[@elizabethc2496]

Dear Amber, Culturally appropriating Milli Vanilli doesn't make you oppressed.

[@muffinszss]

Julia was probably the most level-headed and respectful person here.

[@Sunshine-is_here_to_stay]

She wasn't the most level headed. But she was definitely respectful.

[@a.cdiamonds8370]

Nah Becky was the most level headed

[@gomoestas]

Loved her❤

[@marvinmiller2983]

I think Becky and Pamela were more level-headed and respectful than her, but she was the most respectful on the liberal side.

[@romanistagio6991]

I didn't understand her point when she said that men have it harder because is misogyny and the expectation to be "more butch" ? If someone who understood can explain what she meant ?

[@jennam8401]

'would you date someone with male genitals?' 'I am progressive so I am open-,minded' - to be 'progressive' now do we need to be open to all people sexually? Why can't we just be attracted to who we want to be? Wasn't that the mantra of the LGBT community in the first place? Feels we have come full circle.

[@shacharrachmany1102]

That's because a lot of people nowadays got rid of the idea of borders completely to the degree that you're not allowed to make definitions because if the definition of something is X that means you "exclude" anything that isn't X. Men SHOULD be excluded from women spaces tho for example. There is a great book about that and more by Thomas Sowell called 'Discrimination and Disparities'.

[@DasRaetsel]

Listen to Julia at 17:21. She addresses exactly what you are saying in that you can be progressive while also having a preference. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

[@dudeorduuude5211]

"Progressive" is sneaky, false advertising. These people aren't progressive, they are religious. They preach, shame, try to annoyingly convert, pearl clutch, and have a limited dogma they follow. It isn't moving forward, it is too culty for that.

[@LeviShawando]

@@DasRaetsel Disagree. If you say you're a lesbo but then date guys, by definition you're not a lesbo but bisexual. Being open-minded doesn't give you license to contradict.

[@6thgraderfriends]

@@LeviShawandoRight? There are already words and definitions for the stuff they're doing. It's not new to be bisexual or pansexual, just say you're that if that's what you are.

[@sogcig]

ughh arielle was such a breath of fresh air it was so satisfying for finally ONE person online to say what we are all thinking and fed up about.

[@jasmineprophete540]

If you think like Arielle you’re insane and disrespectful

[@jasmineprophete540]

All it is is transphobia

[@CongenitalArtDefect]

You're just transphobic

[@tinman67tn]

No one has an issue with anyone from LGBTQ+++++++++ being proud of who they are. The question is, why are they requiring everyone else be proud of them or risk being labeled a homophobe?

[@emmayates9309]

If you are being denied rights, you better know what they are.

[@daligogh1]

This is the one

[@Momo-po5tn]

💯

[@renny6151]

Lesbianism has never been criminalized in the UK and many other parts of the world, while gay men were illegal and punished with death. Lesbians are the most privileged in LGBT.

[@kiwikatzkey]

I’d like to see a panel with pansexuals and bisexuals

[@yumisokks]

yessss i'd love to see that but at the same time i'm afraid of what may come out of it 😭

[@michaelregis1015]

Have you ever seen that meme where different spidermen are pointing at each other? That would be hilarious I'm not going to lie.

[@kiwikatzkey]

@@michaelregis1015 you know damn well with the people jubilee brings this is NOT going to happen 😭

[@violetluverie]

Pansexuality doesn’t exist

[@Lindsay--uh8zo]

@@yumisokks frr omggg

[@Valiant.Unicorn]

Very interesting perspectives ladies ❤🦋🦄