How long before your HOME CHARGER pays for itself???

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

✅ OHME Chargers : ohme-ev.com/ ✅OCTOPUS ENERGY : share.octopus.energy/witty-gale-608

[@colingoode3702]

We've had our Kona EV & Zappi charger just over 18 months now & we're on Octopus Intelligent Go with a cheap rate of £0.07p/kWh for 6hrs a night + saver sessions when notified during the day / evening. The Kona gets used as our daily local driver by both of us (my wife is the main driver) & does about 6-7k per year. My petrol estate car annual mileage has now dropped to 3k per year & only gets used now for longer trips, holidays, trips to the dump, Ikea etc. The home charger has easily paid for itself with the fuel saving on both my wife's old ICE car & my existing car & we haven't used a public charger yet. We got our charger installed for 0% VAT because it was installed at the same time as our solar & battery system.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@Jaw0lf]

I am on Ouctopus intelligent Go and at 7 p overnight for 6 hours is amazing. Plus gaining more hours at the cheap rate if Octopus move your charging times. My Zappi has been fitted for around 4 years and happily provides power to my Tesla. I had a few amazing trips recently all over 5 miles per kWh and yesterday managed 5.5 miles per kWh. My charger paid for itself so long ago! I saved between £250 and £300 per month with my previous EV allowing for fuel, maintenance and VEL savings. The lease was also about the same cost as my previous car. Solar panels have let me export and have negative bills over the summer months, so I am spending less then £100 per month after all the investments for driving 12,000 miles, heating the home with our ASHP and running my techy home.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@georgedavies5743]

Great analysis. Very helpful to see the numbers. No brainer.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Glad it was helpful! 👍👍

[@bernardcharlesworth9860]

My zappi has been on the outside of my house for the last 4 years and even with such wet summer still been running mainly on solar so estimate 1p per mile. All new houses should have solar panels fitted as standard.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

They should!

[@SDK2006b]

Same here - 4 years in with excess solar going into my EV for about 9 months of year ☀️⚡️👍🏻

[@retroonhisbikes]

Extremely harmful to the environment, not only in the construction of the solar panel, but also in their decommissioning. You can only imagine my horror discovering this after i had my solar panels fitted.

[@chrish2879]

I hear people say this all the time, and I can't help but ask: do you only drive at night? I have solar panels but my car is parked at work all day during the week, and we drive it on the weekends as well. Who uses their car so infrequently that it can sit on their drive all day charging?

[@SDK2006b]

@@chrish2879 - I work from home 😊 During the week, I do the school run, drop off and pickup, 10 miles a day. During the weekend I’m driving my son to his football matches, up to 120+ miles of driving, or drive to Wales, or other UK trail centres to ride our eMTB’s. Basically means I can charge my car from my solar panels Monday to Friday ☀️⚡️👍🏻 …. And the e-bikes too 😊

[@tonyfeasby1437]

Sounds like me justifying the ohme to my wife a week after using the same saving to justify the ev. Next week i'll use it to justify a new garage door.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

😂👍

[@Chris-mh3vf]

Man maths infinitely flexible

[@Antiguan_Dart]

Thanks for putting this so succinctly great to see it all laid out plainly in a spread sheet. Nice one! I’ve subscribed.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Thanks for the sub!

[@keithgeorge7338]

Thanks for working that out. My electricity is free on Agile. At the moment you save road tax of about £190pa and we have two, so saving £380pa until next tax due April 2026. I was lucky my charger was free 5 years ago. Cheers.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@duncanbuchanan218]

You do not always need to have a "charger" at all. At 6,800 miles pa / 4 miles per kw = 1,700 kw pa. / 52 weeks = 33 kw of charging per week. Using a granny charger with a 13a EV rated socket will keep an EV charged on 2 overnight charges. No need to buy a dedicated charger at all unless you do a lot more miles or have to charge more than 1 car.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

True. I can’t be arsed with granny cables but each to his own 👍

[@chrisardy6400]

I don't think a granny charger is any more trouble than a dedicated charger, it just takes longer. If you are not doing a high mileage it saves loads of money not installing a charger. As the other person said I limit the power on my granny lead to ensure it doesn't overheat.

[@Lewis_Standing]

No longer legal for someone to install an outdoor socket for the purpose of charging an EV though.

[@chrisardy6400]

@@Lewis_Standing My socket is inside my garage.

[@James-BB70]

@@chrisardy6400 Likewise, mine is too, fitted to a brand new socket on a single spur to its own consumer unit in the garage, convenient and safe. What's the difference between a granny cable and a tethered cable on a wall box, none that I can see

[@jasonshaw1628]

Brilliant and easy 'no brainer' video Jim. You made me chuckle when you mentioned 'average'. Many thanks 👍

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Cheers Jase. The outrage I got for quoting the national average mileage was hilarious to be fair.

[@cptkremmen]

the bit that no one ever mentions with EV tariffs like Octopus is that their day time electricity is about 3p per Kwh MORE than the normal tariff. So yes the overnight price is very good but will you lose it all with your extra daytime charge for your fridge, air fryer etc

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

All i can tell you is that I'm about £20 per month better off than I used to be and I have to EVs - the washing machine and dishwasher now run at night.

[@ianmac51]

For us, octopus go is ok with a granny charger 8.5p, charger came with the car, use a simple 13amp smart timer plug (before people comment the granny charger is limited to 10 amps), get 10kWh per night(85p) which is a day range of 35+ miles. We leave the car plugged in and when octopus says free energy I turn the plug on via the app, put the washing machine on, emerssion heater and have a shower our record is 10kWh free :)

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@dhoughton76]

Really glad you pointed out that what most people call the charger is only a charge point. Most KZbin reviewers and the media still make the mistake and call them chargers. Great channel by the way.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

I think we all know what everyone means though eh 👍👍

[@bluefish2303]

Octopus literally call them home chargers... 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@FancyaBevMate]

On my first bev back in 2018 (featured on my own channel 😊) the nissan leaf whilst being used as a taxi I got the 1st home charger for free as an incentive 😂 so it cost nothing from day one. We moved and then had a zappi installed (during the pandemic there was no point in taxi's so I worked as a home delivery driver for 2 years) and during that time our 4kW solar array (free with the new home) charged the leaf for nothing so that £900 install paid for itself in that time so again NO costs 😊. On a side note even if we didn't have solar as a taxi it would pay for itself in under 15 weeks! In fossil fuel costs! Cheers mate

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Nice 👍

[@akayjay697]

Great video. Thanks for breaking this down as I always wondered but never knew how to work out.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Happy to help!

[@hazels27]

Thanks for the info Jim. Useful as always.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Thanks Hazel

[@drevo50]

Very helpful, thank you. My supplier is EON, they have an overnight rate of 6.7p/kwh, which is competitive.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@Gazmaz]

Having just got solar and a battery, I also had a car charger put in. We then bought a second car as a runaround, my wife loves it, and we are using it for just about everything, the saving are as you say great. It’s actually made me think if your are thinking of going solar, I’d actually say if your are looking for a second or replacement car and you car live with electric then get an EV get a home charger (if your are looking can) then go onto a cheap overnight and then not only will you save on fuel, put all your dishwasher, washing machine etc etc on during that period and save even more!

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@stevelongden7368]

Agree with everything you said, but for me the best thing about the home charging is just the convenience. Never having to go to a petrol station again has far outweighed the slight inconvenience of having to use the supercharger network once a month or so

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Same here, hands down

[@adamyoung9655]

Thanks. I have been putting off getting a charger installed and using a 3pin plug the past year as I was on a very old fixed tariff. However that has ended so I'm on the standard variable and switched to Octopus. This helps me justify the cost of the charge point as previously it seemed like more of a convenience than an actual cost saving.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@smithynotts291]

I picked up on the Tesla Model Y deal you highlighted a couple of months back. This included a £1000 credit that paid for the wall charger (£475) which I installed myself as I'm electrically qualified. I also went on the Octopus Intelligent tariff and now I'm effectively saving at least £150/mth on my previous lease which was a Hyundai Tucson. And I've still got some spare cash credit to use on the supercharger network if I have to use it. Absolute bargain!

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Great news!

[@MrKevflo]

You sir, have just set me up to get an elec car my wife has seen this. Thank you kind sir

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Glad to help

[@stevewest131]

Since owning an EV I save between £200 and £300 per month on car fuel. For it to make sense buy a fairly new used EV and charge at home. TBH if I couldn't charge at home I don't know if I'd have gone electric

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Same here on both counts; the convenience is a big deal for me too in that respect

[@wdsmauglir4683]

I got my home charger free through a work lease scheme, so I guess I have achieved payback 😂

[@ronaldmelia1172]

I have a VW Polo and commute to work 47 miles each way. This, on average, cost me about £12 per day x 5 x 48 weeks = £2,880 per year. I now do this in my electric car.charge over night to 80% costs on average £2.51 x 5 x 48 = £540. Take the cost of the charger, payback was 5 months.

[@chrisbwhittle]

Something that should be mentioned, some people might have an extra cost to be taken into account. If you have a looped supply with your neighbour you will probably have an extra cost. While a looped supply is safe if you are going to require more power for charging an EV you may need to remove it. I don’t know how much this is normally but someone I’m aware of had a shock. The supply to his house came from across a main road then to the neighbouring property. The quote was £20000 as the road needed closing for 4 nights. I saw the work being done and I hope he negotiated the price down

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Jeez! Never heard of that before 👍

[@keoghrichard1988]

@@DefinitelyNotAGuruyep, as an electrical engineer, I can confirm on old Terraced houses, looped supply’s were common, and are a pain form you want a home charge point installed

[@Antiguan_Dart]

@@chrisbwhittle sometimes the home charger can be limited in its delivery to account for the reduced current available to the property because of the loop. I recall a friend of mine could only ever get 3.6kW from his 7.4kW wallbox charger because of this very reason. So all the smart features, slightly more speed than a 3pin socket and all the safety features- DC leak protection and PEN fault.

[@paulbuckingham15]

Mine paid for itself instantly. I put a value on utility to me. The utility of the convenience of a home chargepoint was enough to cover the circa £1200 it cost in total to get installed.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@ianashton1593]

That was my thinking too, had a pod point installed for £900. Just waiting for BMW to sort the recall on the ex demo IX1 I’m buying.

[@isackville]

Just another point I know Tesla don't need servicing but traditional car manufacturers still make you follow a service plan and if you don't you void the warranty and they are not much cheaper that a ice car. It a great big con. In the four services my Kona has had the only change of anything was the coolant in the battery system all the over service items is just visual checks Lucky the service in the lease.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Great point

[@Antiguan_Dart]

The GV60 has servicing in the first five (5) years included ( every 2 years or 20,000 miles includes battery coolant replacement, wiper replacement if needed, cabin air filter change, brake fluid replacement, e call battery replacement and visual checks of safety relevant items and all fluid level checks. I suspect some other manufacturers may include complementary service schedules for the first few or more years.

[@Paulruk]

Currently on 2000 miles and a whopping £35 in electricity costs since June when I went over to EV. If only they didn’t sting you for public charging. We need to match the continent when it comes to that.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@ianrob4760]

well if you use them enough tesla and Ionity memberships are very very good ... use it for one offs and yes can be a probkem

[@Paulruk]

@@ianrob4760 yeah Tesla isn’t bad but on the continent it’s like 40p per kWh, here’s its usually 79p on average.

[@ianrob4760]

@@Paulruk it does depend as I am planning a trip to berlin and between ionity and TEsla on memberships, not sure which at the moment not seeing cheeper than those two

[@stuartburns8657]

That's why there are hardly any EV owners who can't charge at home. You can neither take advantage of the convenience, cheaper cost and reliability. With Zapp map saying avg public charging is 55p kwh, any car getting 45+ mpg doesn't make any significant savings (if you can't home charge)

[@shreeshsaurya4203]

Nice video. May be you should do a video for solar, battery and EV charger, and tell us the best option.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

You need to check out my mate @garydoessolar

[@steveinstamford]

Very handy video cheers. But what about the granny charger? I own a BYD and habe done for 6 months and get on fine without a charge point. Save the £900 to start with

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

It’s slow and possibly less convenient unless you have an outlet on your drive. I wouldn’t want to do it that way but each to their own.

[@James-BB70]

@steveinstamford Yep, me too, I have a BYD Dolphin on a salary sacrifice scheme and I use its supplied 'granny charger' overnight on E.ON NextDrive - 6.7p /kWh (midnight to 7am!). I do 70 miles a day and the overnight charge suits us fine. May consider a home charger though to quicken things (for the impatient)

[@melvinnnamah9040]

@@DefinitelyNotAGurusure it’s slow but it does the job fine especially if you do less than 50 miles a day. Getting a wall box is just not economical anymore with the prices these electricians are charging. I’d rather not feed into the madness. If you have a standard electric socket outside you shouldn’t bother getting a wall box imo unless you’re a 2 ev household

[@apollodeancampbell4272]

I'm 8 months in, was paying £180 per month with my BMW 640D, And now I'm paying under £0.02p per mile and spending less £25 per month in my Hyundai Ioniq 5. I have already paid for my home charging station.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Great 👍 I love the 640D by the way, nice car

[@johndoyle4723]

Thanks, for someone doing say 7500 miles, you can easily manage just with the granny charger, yes, I know not recommended but many do use it, you can easily put 40-50 miles on in just the 6 hour night slot. In theory you do need an EV to get on the best tariffs with Octopus and definitely if you want Intelligent as you have to do a test charge. Ohme is very easy to use, and as you say it plays nicely with Octopus, and does not cause 12v battery problems with the car.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@Antiguan_Dart]

Octopus is often plauded as a great tariff provider for EV but other provides shouldn’t be overlooked. I have Eon Drive v4 and it is 6.7p/kWh for 7hr between 12am and 7am! My charger (Sync EV) and car (GV60) aren’t yet supported by Octopus intelligent but I understand the Eon Drive deal is actually slightly more competitive than Octopus’ offering.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

👌Eon once stole £4K from me for around 4 months and I’ve found their service to be the lowest of the low. Just my personal experience but I wouldn’t go with them again if they paid me.

[@MKINDYR107]

Interesting video, thanks.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@JurassicJungle]

You don't have to get a home charger to make these savings. I have been running a model 3 for 3 years and used a granny charger all that time. It works with IOG so I get the same 7p rate. in addition I actually get much longer Octopus smart charge slots outside the night time slots and all of these slots make the whole house run at 7p per kWh. Our house has gone fully electric so while the rate is 7P I am charging a battery as well as the car and running the heat pump. I do about 15k miles a year and can use Tesla chargers some of the time other than that it just kills me when I have to pay 80P on a public charger. I have bought a home charger and will install it but may look at reducing its charge rate if that makes sense to get extended low cost charging windows.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Yep, I get that. I guess a video on ‘how quickly I could pay for a home charge point but don’t and use a granny plug instead’ may not have been great; plus I prefer having the charge point.

[@JurassicJungle]

@@DefinitelyNotAGuru I am with you. There have been times that waiting 20 hours to charge the car could have been a big issue but for me that is not often. If I was travelling the way I used to for work it would have been impossible to just use as granny charger. I think it would be great to see chargers that can vary the charge rate to get even better prices to balance the demand. Just like intelligent does today by you requesting a charge state by a certain time. It currently just gives you charging slots but I am sure it could be smarter. I will installmy charge point soon. Great video anyway by the way.

[@chrisohanians1145]

Love a spreadsheet Jim 😊

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

😂 me too

[@chrisohanians1145]

It is interesting and would definitely make the jump to electric if infrastructure improves a little bit more. I would definately look closely at Kia and Hyundai electrics because I think they have really thought about what customers want from an electric of varying financial and family freedoms and restrictions to cater for a huge chunk of the electric market

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Yeah, they’re putting some decent cars out for sure

[@ianrob4760]

my home charger as I bundled it with a battery install cost around 800 and thats like you mentioned the Ohme. and I have spent just 61 quid to get 3500 miles of driving ... I reckon for me as vast majority is home charging I will get pay back before I have to give the car back on it's lease (i only do 6k a year) . I am on ocoiopus agile which means I generally charge sometimes with negative pricing which brings it roughly same as IOG

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@melvinnnamah9040]

I did the maths and just stayed on a granny charger. Why pay a grand when you have an outdoor socket. Even if you pay 25p per kWh you can probably charge for 2 years or more before getting a wall box makes sense. If you do most of your charging at the lower rate like I do it makes even less sense.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Personal preference I guess

[@Brian-om2hh]

Jim, it is also perhaps remembering that an EV home charger will add around £1k to your home's value, according to an estate agent I spoke to a few Months ago. They are now beginning to be seen as a desirable feature by some house hunters.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@stuartburns8657]

I don't really believe that. Same as adding solar adds value (not)

[@Mark-hb2zy]

Plus the huge savings you'll have on your household electric on intelligent tariff, especially if you're a high energy user.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Yes indeed

[@Pete.Ty1]

👍👍👍. Interesting, Thanks Jim

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Thanks mate

[@BristolPost]

You also need to factor that having a charger is a highly desirable facility for house sale. A lot of buyer see having a charger installed especially a super neat installation as a plus point.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Yes

[@OldManTony]

I do quite a low mileage, so I haven’t installed a charge point, the three pin overnight is perfectly adequate for me. The odd times when I do a longer trip I stop off at a supercharger to top up. Once you go electric, savings should be compared to public charging, not petrol. Therefore there is no payback for me, only if my daily mileage exceeded about 40 miles.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@daveg1250]

I was lucky as when I installed my Wallbox charger there was a grant from the Govt to install one and also another grant from the scottish govt as well, so I only paid £250 in total for my charger. I was also 4p per kWh for night rates then, so 1p per mile as oppsed to the 24 per mile I was getting in my last petrol car that I had. I have never public charged though. I reckoned I saved about £1400 in the first year. I am now on my 2nd EV and cannot now use the 5p per mile that I am now paying as a saving as my last car was an EV as well

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@Snerdles]

Seems like most people would be fine in the UK with the standard charger that comes with the car. Over here in NA our house plugs are 120V 15A circuits that by code can only run at 80% for long running loads so an EVSE can only be 1.5kW. At 4 miles per kWh that means a 10 hour overnight charge only gets you 60 miles. That's a squeeze for a lot of people. If you live somewhere tgatvit gets below freezing it may not even supplybenough power to run the battery heater so you could end upnin a scenario with less energy when you wake up. We have 240V service service here, so if you have a 240V circuit in your garage it's much nicer, but I'm reaching out to electricians now about getting a 240V circuit oitdoor neary driveway.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

I’m very happy to have my 7kw on tap.

[@TK-Will.]

Very well done, however, will you be doing one on diesel vehicles? As most do an average of 60-65 mpg. Will you also be factoring in the additional cost of an EV, as most seem to cost an additional £15-£20,000+ compared to the ICE equivalent. Just for comparison, a full service on my car (family estate) is around £230 inc vat. VED £30, MOT £45, fully comp ins £247, and on average £1,160 on fuel (according to whatcar and Autotrader, allowing for 12,000 miles) So, in my case. It costs me £1,712 per year to run and maintain my car (on average)

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

What would the video be? how quickly can I pay for a diesel pump at home using savings over petrol?? it'd probably take a good while to be fair. By the way - the generalism that most diesels are doing 60 MPG is bit of a nonesense I'm afraid and it's only a matter of time before the government will tax a lot of good cars off the road. Thanks for watching Will.

[@RS-B5ZV]

Jim - just a quick message to say that you will hopefully get a small incentive today as my wife used your code for gap insurance for her new leased Kia Sportage. Thanks 👍

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Ah thanks! 👍

[@InBodWeTrust]

My home charge *point* (not charger - the charger is built into the car*) cost me *minus* £160 ... yes, minus ... I effectively got paid to get a charge point. £500 contribution from Volvo in lieu of a free charge point per the original sales contract £350 OZEV grant (before it was stopped) £250 Energy Savings Trust Scotland grant (before it was stopped) = £1100 income. The charge point cost me £940 installed (in March 2022) Ergo, £160 profit for me. 😎 * Edit: I posted this comment before I got to 6 minutes into the video, whereupon you corrected yourself. 🙂

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Good work

[@alantee1]

How do the numbers work if Depreciation value of the vehicle is factored into the spreadsheet.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

You’d need to find out by assessing every possible vehicle and every combination of variables (annual mileage, age, make, model, specification, length of ownership, price paid etc etc…….) so I’ll save you the hassle…Lease new or buy used.

[@williamlawrenson8345]

Got an EV, using a Granny charger at upto 3kW on Octopus Go. 1p dearer than Intelligent. Can some days use the surplus in my Tesla Powerwall to start changing early. From your spreadsheet, it looks like it will take about 3 years to payback compared to a standard tariff. At nearly £1000, it's going to take a lot of miles and years to pay back the investment for me A small inconvenience each charge night to hook up for me.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@PeteMulv]

Another informative video, I was thinking about using your Octopus offer, but they don't seem to put you on teh EV tarrif straight away do you know how long it normally takes for them to move you across?

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

I’ve got no idea but I assume that you’d go over once they’ve connected to your smart meter. Maybe give them a bell.

[@PeteMulv]

@@DefinitelyNotAGuru I did just that and they said it is about two weeks. just need to check on teh tarrif details once I have switched confirm compatabilty for teh more specialist tarrifs, Cheers

[@KeithPotter-ph4cp]

EV servicing is not cheap. In practice it should be. However, EV owners are told their vehicle needs a diagnostic check during a service when they actually do not. Cost for this can range from £150 to £400. A friend of mine was charged £300 for diagnostic test on his Tesla during a service when NO faults were registered prior to servicing.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

I simply don’t bother.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

As far as I’m aware the first service on a Tesla is at 50k and it’s an air filter.

[@bluefish2303]

I don't know where you live but 143.9 for a litre of unleaded is expensive!! If it's an average cost, it's still on the high side. Love a spreadsheet though, good work 🙌. Already switched to Octopus, awaiting installation of solar so probably will reduce the cost of EV charging further. Large batteries will take longer than 6 hours to charge though...

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

It’s an average cost and large batteries are unlikely to take more than 6 hours in normal conditions as you’re unlikely to let the car get under 20% SOC and depending on battery chemistry probably do t want it over 80% regularly. 7.4 x 6 = 44kwh which is not too shabby.

[@amramweismann6162]

i also was very nicly surprised by Octopus when working nights and ariving at 4-5 am they extended my night rate and kept charging the car till 8AM my normal ready time

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@terrymackenzie6784]

It doesn't surprise me at all, I have solar and battery as well and have net zero cost for electricity over the year to power my home and my two EVs the standing charge is my biggest cost but next year the running cost are going to double when they introduce road tax for EVs :)

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@isackville]

I looked into octopus but they wanted to charge 8 1/2p so stayed with British Gas at 7.8p. I am the same wouldn't have a ev without a wall charger. I went a bit further this year and got solar and batteries, so now the most I pay per kw is 7.8p. The batteries are 12kw so if there is no sun the batteries will run the house for 24 hours and they are at 12 till 5 with the car. And when the sun comes i export for 15.1p I t should pay for it self into 7 to 8 years.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@railvlogger1439]

Isn't there a government grant towards the cost of installing a home charger?

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

I’m not sure what the current (pun intended) state of play is.

[@colingoode3702]

There used to be but not any more. If you get a charger installed as part of a solar / battery system install then it is / should be 0% Vat.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Not anymore.

[@DavidBoreham-kk9dx]

Ahh Jim and his spreadsheets what next Jimbo a power point presentation with a lazer pointer? 😂😂😂

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

My pointing device is has gone into retirement Dave... ;)

[@BetsBestBits]

Pick up our bmw i3s next Tuesday, our first ev. Haven't got a wall charger yet, going to use the granny for now as our yearly milage is less than 5k a year. Question is, can you take the charger with you if you move home? Appreciate any help and advice, cheers.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

I don’t see why not. One of my mates is having my old charger and it doesn’t seem to be an issue.

[@Brian-om2hh]

You could take your charger with you if you move, although according to one estate agent I spoke to, said an EV charger adds roughly £1k to the value of your property, so it might be worth leaving your existing charger in place, and getting a new one for the new property, This will of course come with a new warranty.....

[@kcwolf4624]

Also if you rent your property, you can get a £350 grant,from the government 😮

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Oh really? 🤔

[@rayw4589]

Yes. I did and only paid £709 for my Ohme Pro charge point. This government grant is still available to renters

[@jamesdaw131]

Need my local council to sign up to Kerbo/GUL-E as I don’t have a drive (they are essentially a cable gully that goes through the pavement). No dice yet.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Loads or local authorities are causing delays, utter BS - if they want people in EVs they need to make it easy!

[@jamesdaw131]

I’ve actually already got one. (VW ID 7 estate - shopped the deal…). Personally I do less than 6k miles and can charge for 30p at my sports club where I go every weekend so I can have an EV without a charger. Would just like it to be xheaper

[@philhicks5818]

My Ohme pro cost me fitted by Octupus, £649, after the £350 grant was knocked off

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@antoinec1066]

Good video, but getting a lower tariff for charging your car increases the cost of electricity for your house needs so you should factor this in too.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Well in some respects but then you can also run all your heavy appliances during the cheap times. My electricity bill is about £23 per month less than it was before I had 2 EVs

[@antoinec1066]

@@DefinitelyNotAGuru good points!

[@karanv7246]

But doesn’t your day time unit cost rise with Octopus EV rate?

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

My day rate is 26.02p so I think it's about 1p up on the standard tariff. I'm not entirely sure as I'd only ever be on the EV rate as it makes sense.

[@simonparker4701]

Based on how many miles/kwh??

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

4, it's in the video

[@trickshotish]

I only charge two nights per week 8.5p per hour over night so really not worth me getting one .

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@vigneshn.y3048]

🎉 keep going Jimmer!

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

I will 👍👍👍

[@vtechead1]

A lot of car manufacturers are offering free chargers or money off the price of the vehicle.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@Brian-om2hh]

I wouldn't say a lot, but certainly some are offering a free charger.

[@roblowe8440]

Just had one fitted as part of an Octopus Salary Sacrifice scheme, cost £70 😂

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Shouldn’t take long to pay for itself then

[@jamesdaw131]

You’ve compared to a petrol car. Shouldn’t you compare to the various charging options (eg lamppost chargers at 40p etc).

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

I'm clearly comparing the cost of a home charger and how quickly it will pay for itself. It won;t pay for itself using a lampost charger will it?

[@jamesdaw131]

@@DefinitelyNotAGuruisn’t your pay back fuel cost saved versus a petrol car? I’d argue that’s not the comparison as it is conflating electric car savings with charger installation savings. But hey ho. 😊

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

@@jamesdaw131 No great complexity here; the video is exactly as it was intended. A very simple look at the cost of a home charger and how quickly it will pay for itself vs fueling a petrol car. Argue all you like, it is what it is and it's how I'd do it again.

[@Packaging_man]

Ohme charger works well with my provider OvO

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@PierreDybman]

While comparing the savings between an EV charged through a wallbox, and a petrol car is irrelevant for the discussion. If you’re thinking about installing a wallbox, then you already have an EV, possibly you don’t have a parking place, and the real issue is to to compare the price of charging through a personal wallbox and charging with street prices on AC or CCS.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Nah - that’s a different conversation for a different video, in this video you’ll find the point I was making and why without a hint of irrelevance 😁

[@SusanClarke-o5q]

You might be better off getting a plug in charger if you do lowish miles and only have one EV.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@jesuspro6887]

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[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@plongs3]

Jim , u have a column missing, its the dirty D word, Depreciation! Factor that in for whole car cost if u dare grapple with that elephant in the spreadsheet..

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

This is about fuel. There’s enough about depreciation and how best deal with it in other videos on my channel.

[@DavidBoreham-kk9dx]

Thanks Jim asper usual doesn't matter which colour of the Government they always fall back on the "Cash Cow motorists 😢

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Yep

[@Packaging_man]

Mine paid for itself within 12 months easily

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@adriancunningham2938]

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[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@glengosling5636]

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[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@garysplace7937]

An interesting video but I was a little disappointed the video did not also covered the option: Do you need to pay for the install of a 7KW charge point in the first place (I accept you were pushing the chargers) but the video didn't provide the full story. I have used an EV for 4 and a half years and not needed a 7kw home charge point (car's summer range = 180 miles), After a quote of £1400 for a 7KW home charge point to be installed, I have only using a 3 pin plug for charging. I have never needed or used public charging and drive around 5000 miles a year. I therefore question the need for a 7kw home charge point for a lot of users. Saving them that extra cost on top of the high car price. This would mean 0 months to get a pay back with the saving going into your pocket straight away. Also there is a bonus, slower charging the batteries is better for the degradation of the battery over time. Note: at about 75p for public charging you can charge the car with 1267 KW before you reach your suggested cost £950 for the 7KW home charger. I accept if your on a special over night tariff you may need to charge the car over a couple or few nights, midnight to 06:00AM because it is slow charging. If your driving needs can cope with this, why not save that £950 additional cost. My sister has just bought her first EV, I have suggested not getting a home 7KW charge point yet and to see if she actually needs one before investing the additional costs.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Wind your neck in Gary, I’m not pushing anything - it’s not an ad and I don’t get paid for selling chargers. It’s just a video that doesn’t suit your narrative. Granny chargers don’t float my boat to be honest but each to their own. The overnight rate means we schedule appliances etc in line with that and now actually pay less for our power than before we had 2 EVs. Each to their own.

[@garysplace7937]

​@@DefinitelyNotAGuru Thank you for the speedy reply, I accept although you kindly offered a discount for people that wanted a home charger, you were not pushing the chargers and provided the cost savings available for EV users, as the video title stated. I thank you for putting the information together. I was just trying to add another option to consider for people who were considering getting a home charge point installed. Neck wound in, lol “Granny chargers” (Love that term), they don’t rock my boat either, but as my drive had to be dug up to have the charger installed, it made the installation of the charge point cost prohibitive at the time. I will just say any positive videos regarding EVs are my narrative and your video was a good example of that. Thank you

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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[@peterbee8892]

How long does it take to pay back your oven or fridge. Why are we obsessed with payback. It's part of a modern house fit to cope with reducing our CO2. The quicker we adopt higher new build standards the better we will all be.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

I don't know if people are obsessed as much as they are curious.

[@Snerdles]

@@peterbee8892 Most people would only replace a fridge or stove if there was something wrong with their existing one. Otherwise if you were looking at changing to a different technology to save money, say gas to induction, you would actually sit down and figure out potential savings to see if it would be worth replacing.

[@richardlphillips]

I'd be impressed if you did convert a petrol lover into an electric car 😂

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

I keep hoping people will stop being so tribal about fuel 😂

[@richardlphillips]

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[@WeAreTheUnhappyMajority]

You may have to factor in increasing car insurance and now home insurance.

[@vtechead1]

He said he was measuring fuel only compared to electric. He said he wasn’t factoring in tax and insurance etc. Did you watch the video ?

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

In a video about the cost of installing a home charger? How about no.

[@Dunc1961]

speeded !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Eh?

[@marklambert2750]

🤔and the depression on an EV is? 😞

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

Lease it new or buy it used is depreciation is a worry. Go to a doctor to discuss depression.

[@butlerpa100]

The charger will cease to perform long before it pays for itself. Just check out the life expectancy of solar powered cells. 10/15 years if your lucky

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

You’ve obviously not watched the video or failed to comprehend what it’s about.

[@JohnClark-yg3yh]

Yes EV's are cheap to run (if you don't have to use high power points) My question is to those who smugly tell me how cheap they are. When you can no longer get an ICE car where is the government going to get the billions they will lose on fuel tax? Methinks a large tax on EV home charging. Enjoy it whilst you can.

[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

I think everyone knows that (whilst they smugly avoid fuel duty in the meantime). 😌

[@mustafaassad2916]

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[@DefinitelyNotAGuru]

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