How long can a Tesla Model S Plaid keep you warm in winter?

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[@paolopanzarino]

Thank you Bjorn! I recently saw some comments of people saying that EV would run out of battery in 3 hours in a queue in winter 🤣😄🤣 Thank you for smashing misinformation like this! We love you ❤😄👍

[@jsjs6751]

It could be in some circumstances with some legacy, old EV's. But if you have a modern EV and keep your minimum SoC high in winter, it probably isn't.

[@richard--s]

​@@jsjs6751 when you run into a big congestion on a highway in winter with your gas car, the tank is almost empty, because you wanted to fuel up at the next station in 15km anyways... Have fun...

[@dominolehmann8227]

Same sh.. different year. Something they've been claiming for years

[@superleggenda]

@@jsjs6751 considering that “idling” in an EV means that everything is off except HVAC, 20% can last a while, especially with a heat pump. And what car has a 24 kWh battery? A 2011 Leaf??? The smallest Tesla battery is the 60kwh LFP.

[@paolopanzarino]

@@jsjs6751 in that case it’s the same as a petrol car, you can runout in any kind of vehicle. The advantage of the ev is that it’s more efficient at idling so it’s going to last longer, and also, if you are stuck in a big queue, at least you are not poisoning anyone with the exhaust fumes 😷😄👍

[@Yachtzeee]

The Model S styling silhouette is still gorgeous.

[@aidanapword]

And with wite set up with "the banana boxes" in the background. Real sign of our times!

[@xmtxx]

Hey! Great video. I think snow can help in this situation, because it's a very good insulating material. 15 years ago, I got stranded, with a friend, a night on a highway in winter austria. We had to spend the night in the car. There was a 5cm layer of snow all over the car. We slept very well in our sleeping bags, and we were amazed that we didn't need to start the car once. It was quite comfy in the car, around 15-13 degre all night. I'd say your test is a pessimistic estimate (which is a good thing), because, in case you are stranded, you can live with 15 degre interior. Energy consumption will be way less.

[@bjornnyland]

You're forgetting that the snow melted on the windscreen and that this process eats up more energy.

[@xmtxx]

@@bjornnyland I know, because "high" temperature were maintained inside. During our real life experience, snow didn't melt, and it was comfy, with our coat on. It was around 13-15 degree inside the car. And around 0 or less outside. Our bodies were enough to keep the temp stable

[@jsjs6751]

If outside temperature is (way) below the melting point, and the temperature inside is low enough for the snow not melting, then I think you will conserve energy with snow on the car. If it's windy, you will probably save even more, since the emitted heat will not be as easily transported away from the car..

[@shrobert1987]

Can you test the worst? Maby fisrt leaf with degradation mode enabled 🙈

[@Mandalore313]

Hi Bjorn. The equivalent of ludicrous+ which raises battery temp is Drag strip mode with the Plaid. That's the reason you didnt see difference in temps between chill and plaid modes previously. This is in the manual (if you just google drag strip mode ;) )

[@bjornnyland]

Good. Someone claimed that when I used Plaid mode (drag strip mode off) in 1000 km challenge, the battery temp was higher. This was an incorrect assumption/claim then.

[@andream.464]

Why do you keep the back temperature off? When you camp, don’t you lay down in the rear? At least I do in the MX.

[@jasonblair4057]

Wow Model S Plaid and Model S LR at the same time. Doing double duty there Bjorn. 👍👍

[@mair1karl897]

EV’s are indeed great at keeping you warm, but in an emergency case when you don’t how long it will take to overcome a risky situation, I would lower the temperature to maybe 10 degrees Celcius and put on the wintercoat. This way you could probably survive maaany more hours. In an ICE you can’t do that, it’s either on or off.

[@Zedus-rl9hp]

Fossil cars also have the disadvantage that they cannot really regulate the heat output from the engine. Depending on the temperature, an unnecessarily large amount of fuel is burned and the heat is given off outside via the cooler

[@techtim123]

So much information in your videos! Thank you 🙏🏾

[@StevenYoungcaptual]

Really interesting! In case I ever get caught in the snow…

[@patriksteffan2060]

Bjorn has to feel like a king with TWO new TMS!

[@TheOnlyName]

That got a real good laugh out of me when I saw the bag of rice in the driver's seat 😂

[@joenavarro2973]

Another cool and interesting comparison testing, nice 👍

[@melbuh7016]

Don't forget the heatpump effect while comparing to ICE. It does only draw 1 kW "mechanical" energy from the battery to run the compressor. That then pulls outside "heat" and pumps it to a higher temperature level for cabin usage. Summed to heating power of 3 kW

[@nickieredshaw7835]

Wow very great result thanks for doing this test

[@DouglasJMark]

Thanks Bjorn. Fascinating! LOL. When you opened your garage to show another new MB Tesla Model S (LR), I heard music in my head from 2001 Space Odyssey (Also sprach Zarathustra) 😎 Lotas love from Toronto♥♥♥

[@koosb8162]

It seems Sono Sion won't be on the market now.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

@@jooptablet1727 correct

[@hyrges]

102h, wow. I slept in my Y LR for 11h at -16C, temp set at 21C. It used 41%.

[@Arpedk]

Amazing!

[@LindaBe]

"But but but in an EV you will freeze to death in winter time if stuck on the Autobahn" This is insanely interesting and amazing how long the car lasted

[@nikolalefterov7472]

Not to mention that if a ICE is running for 4 days on idle its really really bad for the engine..

[@bradallen1832]

Great episode! Great test!

[@VickiStokes]

Snow and shit over here. Love your content. Interesting episode.

[@Sidewinder1009oli]

imagine having 2 or 4 adults also creating heat in the car

[@Sidewinder1009oli]

I also love how many videos of cars involve rice 😆

[@fmm1000]

You can extend the time you can stay in the vehicle for much longer than 100 hours in an EV. It does not have to idle alle the time like fossils. Just use heatet stearing wheel and Seat heaters. To not make it too cold in the car turn on heat for 1-2 minutes for each 15 minutes. I you use this Method you can stay 200-300 hours in the car.

[@ReximPL]

You can do the same for ice. Run the engine for 15 min and then switch off for 15 min

[@Zedus-rl9hp]

@@ReximPL till the 12V battery dies...

[@andypress]

@@ReximPL You'd risk killing the battery with such frequent starter use.

[@ReximPL]

@@Zedus-rl9hp wouldn't battery recharge when idling?

[@Zedus-rl9hp]

@@ReximPL Yes, but not enough. The battery would be exhausted quite quickly in the cold weather

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

Hummer! That has an insane battery size. Tesla Semi would probably keep you toasty for a few weeks...

[@bartwaggoner2000]

NO heat pump

[@bradallen1832]

@@bartwaggoner2000 oh wow ... seems like a big omission for a vehicle that often has to park a few days for storms to pass by and the truckers live in the camper part in back.

[@bartwaggoner2000]

@@bradallen1832 I meant Hummer - Tesla Semi has heat pump

[@thebigoki]

great test. but i always wanted to see, like others here already mentioned, how it will look in more real bad conditions. i mean if it looks worse and you may think, you will be locked to the car for more than 4 days, being somewhere remote. ok, its a point to discuss, how real this scenario is, but lets take (if its winter again) a lower temperature, like minus 5 degrees c and a full battery, what is of course warm (i like that in the test). its like you just came from a long lunch break at a charger and go full into the winterlockdown bc of snow and whatnot. now you don't heat up to 21 degrees, but just to lets say 16 or 18 degrees, or less, but use the seat heating also! with having jacket on it is comfortable and save enough. also, so that you dont have to sit in the car for that epic and endless test, maybe use an infrared panel (relatively cheap and adjustable in power) and put it onto the drivers seat with setting to about 90 to 100 watts (about the power a human body gives). the more people would be inside, the longer it lasts, but go with one person for reference. on the daytime simulate, that it is still cloudy and cover the windshields, so that the sun cant warm up the cabin so much. or maybe it is cloudy in the test. i really would like to see the outcome. unfortunately i dont have such a plaid, or a 100kwh car. i once tried that with my ioniq classic and had to leave for a trip after 6 hours. if i remember correct, i lost just 10%, without the infrared panel. i guess, even in an ioniq with fully loaded 28kwh hour battery, you will reach 50 hours and more, if you dont go to 21 degrees. i had it ob 18. i know this is a loooong and maybe boring test, but its about surviving a hardcore situation and giving people more confidence. if being trapped in such a situation, i may start with 20 degrees, but after a while inwill go into save mode. also you may not have 100% left. but with such a test, you roughly can estimate what 10% give you in your car. i may do that next winter with the ioniq and limit the % use to 20%. but i will put in the infrared panel. ok, thats it, sorry for long and maybe confusing text. always appreciate your videos and tests. since years. greetings from germany, where the autobahn lives. 😊 ps. people do hours long fun walks in minus 10 degrees winter days for fun and dont die. so why not be in 10 or 15 degree environment with seat heating and clothes 😊

[@gregp.7148]

Great video for data hungry buffs, like myself! Thanks! 👍

[@david-holmes]

Would the results be much better inside a garage? Would have been nice to have here for the 2021 freeze in Texas.

[@Alexzw92]

I would imagine yes, if the car wasn’t exposed to snow or cold wind would likely help as well

that's just another layer of insulation. So I think yes.

[@Turder]

Heat pump will heat the car and cool the garage. As it transfers heat (energy) from car's outside air (in this case garage air) to inside of the car. Depending on the garage size, ventilation/heating etc I don't think that's an issue, but there's a reason why you want to install heat pump outside in free air, so that it can extract as much heat from the air.

[@Alexzw92]

@@Turder Interesting thought

[@jsjs6751]

If parked in a perfectly insulated space, there would not be any heat (or cold, SIC) added or subtracted to the system The inside temp could be limited, depending on the initial temp inside and outside the car, the volume of air inside and outside, and the efficiency of the heat pump. Over time, the energy spent from the battery to move heat from outside to inside will increase the overall temperature.

[@westsiyed]

in summary the car uses 1kw of energy at ~3c to keep the interior temperature at ~21c constantly.

[@sie4431]

Where does he say 25c? I see that it's set to 21c at the start, did he change it? 25c is really warm and 21c is probably high if your stranded. I imagine that you'd be better off dropping to something like 16c and being cold but the battery will last a lot longer.

[@paulweninger8018]

@@sie4431 or even better, only use seat heating and a big blanket over you, now you can probably go 250 hours

[@MarzioNieddu]

i was in kautokeino febbrary 21 and 22 with -33°C driving for about 350km from Lulea with -24° -30°, the battery status of my old 2020 model 3 was really critic, I lost 12kwh

[@iowa_don]

12:10 - Hey, Dolly needs a sweater!! Or maybe her own Stormberg coat!! She doesn’t have nearly the mass you do to help keep her warm.

[@American_Energy]

1kWh per hour, roughly. 100kWh pack ~ 100 hours

[@jkev1425]

From my experience in Winter with fossil the coolant temperature will drop if you just idle. As there is no load on the engine and during idle it does not produce enought waste heat to keep the coolant warm. Just like people let there engine run in order to unfreeze it (which does not really work) So with modern fossil cars a resistence heater could kick in to heat the coolant I guess inside the short cooling loop.

[@kristofferkjellvik1414]

hei bjørn. kommer du til å teste Byd Han ?

[@Adderrrrr]

You can just reenable dog mode or camp mode but need confirm that it's below 20%.

[@costakis7895]

Was the HVAC in recycle mode?

[@widam]

you can run a gas car like that for hours, but camping on it for a long period inside is a risk of death by carbon-monoxide, I trust more and ev in that case.

[@user-um8rt2tr4e]

Nio ET7 150 KW Battery

[@bjornnyland]

*150 kWh

[@MrCristopher99]

Why you put it in Neutral? It can heat stationary if the key and pressure on the seat is present.

[@bjornnyland]

It turns off automatically after 30 minutes.

[@MrCristopher99]

@@bjornnylandReally? Only if you watch Netflix, youtube or touching the screen? Watch some Björn content 😀😀

[@user-el6cn3jf8n]

Cybertruck will beat Plaid camp mode by a huge margin, I hope

[@nexusgraphix]

We’ll see if it ever comes out in Europe

[@user-el6cn3jf8n]

@@nexusgraphix it will

[@nexusgraphix]

@@user-el6cn3jf8n I sure hope so. I have a Cybertruck and Roadster reservation and been waiting forever.

[@loneskullkid]

Snow is an insulator no?

[@mesaber86]

Dry, fluffy snow is a good insulator because it contains a lot of air that slows down heat loss. Wetter, denser, hard-packed snow provides less insulation, because it contains less air among the snow crystals. Edit: As for this video the snow will melt and become water/ice so it would be a bad insulator.

[@Tomaskom]

Not if you expend energy to melt it all as it comes.

[@minicirco]

Answer: the long range MS cannot beat the Plaid, but can equalize the champ of cars!

[@Addictzion9595]

Is Tesla model s plaid a limited production car? Some people told me that it is a limited car and harder to buy when compare with a normal model s.

[@lolfreakwaca4328]

you can just order it from Teslas website!

[@roosterbooster6238]

Did he set it on fire?

[@w0nd3rlu573r]

It's funny how the main percentage of the fuel in fossil cars actually generates heat, 65-80%, and yet they still will not manage to keep you warm for longer. It gets worse when you know, that one kilogram of gasoline/diesel contains ~~12,7 kWh of energy. Then driving on LPG makes even more sense with 13,7 kWh... LOL

[@biggabigga]

With a diesel or petrol heater your fossil car can easily do 200 hours

[@jsjs6751]

I would turn on the seat heaters, pull out the minimum of 5 blankets I always have in the car, and turn car off between needed heating cycles. I could probably survive for weeks on a 100 kWh fully charged battery. Note: It would never be at 100% SoC, would it? Tip: Never go on a car trip in winter without the same warm clothing you would use if going for a hike outside. In winter driving, set temp to about 16-17 degrees... just enough to not getting too cold, and car still being able to keep the windshield clear. In summer, set temp to something like 24 degrees, just enough to keep you alert in traffic. Setting to like 19-20 degrees can make you catch a cold, and when exiting the car you will be overwhelmed by for example 30 degrees outside temperature.

[@s.kxx1956]

To be honest, a “fossil” car will loose heat immediately when idling because the engine is not running higher revs when driving to sustain enough heat in the heater core.

[@ivancajka732]

It will rev up to 1200 rpm from the standard 800 I think

[@bjornnyland]

loose or lose?

[@thedownwardmachine]

Like he said, in reality the warmth will keep longer with the addition of some heat generating meat bags (humans) inside. Also you can stretch it out in an emergency with some simple hacks, like keeping the temperature down and using the heated seats. Also putting up a mylar blanket (from a first aid kit) over the windows. Seems like keeping the battery warm would be a big benefit, I’d consider piling snow around the base of the vehicle.

[@colla555]

The GMC Hummer EV with its 212 kWh battery might beat the Tesla for camping. But then again it has a bigger cabin I think, that needs to be heated.

[@bartwaggoner2000]

NO heat pump

[@altair1405]

​@@bartwaggoner2000 the heatpump at this temp isn't 2.12 times better than no heatpump heating

[@Pess87]

Is there the possibility that those fixed images for long time could burn in?

[@PizzaEater-pu8mz]

Very unlikely because it doesn’t have a oled screen

[@Pess87]

@@PizzaEater-pu8mz che burn-in effect can occur to every screen, excluding e-ink only. OLED screens can have the burn-in before and more likely than other screen types. I've seen cars with burn-in effect even in dot-matrix screens!

[@richard--s]

​@@Pess87 i've also had a burn-in effect on a dot matrix LED display on a normal radio in the living room... A dot maxtrix display with maybe 5x7 pixels per character. The more frequently used "pixels" were really significantly dimmer than the others. It's good visible... Dimming the display from the beginning helps to avoid it or to postpone it until it's more than 20 or 30 years old...

[@kenion2166]

Tesla Semi :D

[@Kimbrough87]

the Hyundai ioniq electric 28kw will bet that lol

[@GlenwingThink]

*kWh

[@Kimbrough87]

@@GlenwingThink 😉

[@andream.464]

The car that will beat the plaid at camping is the Long Range model S

[@elektroautoberater]

Actually I guess, the "Long Range" won't be any better than the Plaid under the same circumstances. The "Plaid Features" don't need more Energy while being stationary.

[@davidz1264]

Hmm. One of the trucks with 300+kWh can beat the Model S 😛

[@mikaelskoglund373]

Maby the Volvo EX90

[@edvardasremeika3331]

ICE in idle mode uses ~1ltr/h not 7ltr!

[@AleksanderHoff]

Ice cars in idle mode uses around 0,6 liters / hour per liter of engine displacement, meaning a 2 liter engine uses 1,2 liters. An average American car with 3 liters or more uses closer to 2 liters per hour. ICE cars normally have somewhere between 50 and 90 liters of gas available at max (some exceptions of course). Meaning if it uses 1,2 liters per hour it can go between 41,6 hours or up to 75 hours. If it is a bigger engine, let’s say a V8 3,5 liters it would just keep going between 25 and 45 hours.

[@BerkSever]

He didn’t say 7 litres he said .7 (0,7 L)

[@edvardasremeika3331]

​​@@BerkSever Correct. I listen again. My bad :)

[@tridruankham2657]

❤❤❤

[@Adderrrrr]

I don't understand why people use caps and damage the rims and can't clean rims and brakes.

[@misterwon]

Hummer. 200 kwh...

[@westsiyed]

Hummer no heat pump………

[@prantto3914]

Hummer EV probably can beat it😅

[@woodypwx]

What EV can beat this? Any car having a normal steering wheel and stalks. Even Model 3/Y are much better value

[@kjetbak]

But leaving the car with 100% - couldn't that damage the battery?

[@78katz]

It's not ideal, but Bjorn isn't using his own car for this test. ;) It's not staying at 100% for all that long either.

[@PeterIsza]

Can someone who watched the video comment what the result is? Thanks!

[@XhaLeSWE]

5th

[@Ned.Kattan]

Maybe you should come to Arizona in Summer to test how long can a Tesla Model S Plaid keep you alive if you get lost in the desert with no internet connection and cell reception?

[@bjornnyland]

No need to. Just test in Thailand instead.

[@paescu_2k350]

Second

[@rui569]

Stop lying, everybody knows people freeze and drop dead in the cold inside an EV😉

[@arbinekotxikie]

First

[@peternystrom921]

Thats what she said!

[@bjornnyland]

*You're

[@nikovonberg4378]

first

[@bjornnyland]

*You're

[@johnnysmile01]

The joker 🤹 😁 love the car but without that jok3r steering wheel 🤮 anyways amazing Score

[@tridrean]

❤️❤️❤️

[@allenfazer]

First