How long does powder coating take? - Ep 45

7 DAY CHALLENGE. We are behind on vids, so challenging ourselves to 7 new vids in 7 days. How to's general vids and music vids. DAY 4 of 7!!!
Full break down of the time involves with each process
Chemical Stripping - 15 minutes per wheel
Neutralize and Rinse - 3 minutes per wheel
Sand Blast - 8 minutes per wheel
Hang - 1 minute per wheel
Outgas - 1 hour per set of 4
Spray Base Coat - 3 minutes per wheel
Spray Top Coat - 3 minutes per wheel
Cure Time - Approximately 2 hours total.
For chemical stripper contact Matt at Express Chem 314.266.4600 tell him I sent you
Blast Media - 30-60 Green diamond from greendiamondpm.com
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www.allpowderpaints.com
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[@Jursaw]

Learned a lot from this video

[@UnknownCoatings]

Glad to hear it!

[@rileyroyer9792]

Always awesome watching your time and effort put into your videos! Love it brother!

[@UnknownCoatings]

I appreciate that!

[@highlandminger4009]

very cool👍 I appreciate the time you take to do these vids for us.

[@UnknownCoatings]

I appreciate the kind words!

[@asmith8088]

Love the vid and fantastic work as always

[@UnknownCoatings]

Thank you! I appreciate it!

[@StaticPapii]

Very detailed 🤙🏻 can’t wait for the next video.

[@UnknownCoatings]

Always putting out new vids!

[@perknowitzki7158]

Very informative video! Great to see the time that goes into the jobs

[@UnknownCoatings]

Thanks man, uploading a new one now!

[@perknowitzki7158]

Unknown Coatings great I’ll be checking it out

[@larryb4122]

Always great vids! I've learned heaps from your channel. I've got a 2 part question. Were the wheels cured out completely from color coat? Were the wheels cooled down for the top coat? Thanks. Please keep up the teaching. You're good at it.

[@Mdkayakangler]

Great content thank you always learning

[@UnknownCoatings]

Good to hear, finally got some more how to's coming out

[@elwittinio2865]

Nice work there fella 👌🤟🤟

[@UnknownCoatings]

thank you!

[@Doyouneedsubs]

Great video 👏🏼

[@UnknownCoatings]

Thank you!!

[@tyroneofzimbabwe6697]

Hey, great work. Do you adjust your micro amps at all or just play with kv depending on the job? thanks

[@TheHotSauceGT350]

Awesome video. Hopefully my stuff is ready locally. This looks pretty fast

[@UnknownCoatings]

Nice. Hope it turns out well!

[@JoshTolbertUrbana]

That anthracite with satin clear looks great.

[@UnknownCoatings]

Yeah came out well, customer was stoked on it

[@spragga1988]

What does the neutralizer consist of What size container does it come and where can I buy it I'm doing powder coating in the U.S. Virgin Islands 🇻🇮

[@billyboice9482]

Cool

[@hartzland7658]

Loved watching your video, just wondering that you touched the blasted rim with your bare hands, does this affect adhesion? or do you do a final wipe down before spraying?

[@UnknownCoatings]

I have heard lots of people mention this and have never seen an issue. I also rarely have greasy hands when doing this. Another advantage is living in Utah we have super low humidity

[@hartzland7658]

@@UnknownCoatings Thanks for replying, really appreciate your wisdom on your craft.

[@gatorguida4483]

Another great video. Very informative. Especially the KV settings. I too am using a Eastwood gun. The PCS 1000 Hotcoat. Although I’ve seen videos of second coats going on with no problems, I’ve also read that second coats are difficult with this setup. The KV,s are adjustable but not the UA,s. And I read that is what makes second coats stick better. Any thoughts? Thanks and keep the great vids coming.👍

[@UnknownCoatings]

My only thought is send it back and get a different gun. The fact they aren't even willing to sell me one knowing I'm gonna do a comparison video indicates even they don't believe it's a good tool

[@stianpingvin]

whats the reason for outgassing ?

[@evaneyeball7953]

ive ben powder coating since about january and have been using a eastwood gun do you think a hyper smooth 02 would be a good gun to step up to , its the only step up that i know of that would be in my price range. any suggestions? also what is your favorite prismatic color for me its either black jack or anodized red. great video btw

[@UnknownCoatings]

I like the hypersmooth 02 for sure. Favorite powders from prismatic would be illusion line and then penny chips. Thank you for the kind words

[@sabz911]

You should check out the Redline EZ50. A great in between gun 👍🏻

[@GMPC]

As always great vid. So question after media Blasting do you wipe them down with anything? Or just media blast, blow off with air, off gas, let cool, tape up then powder? I’m Thinking I add to many unnecessary steps to mine

[@UnknownCoatings]

Typically just blow off, occasionally I also just out gas then lightly blast again.

[@GMPC]

And steel rims always outgas right? Aluminum?

[@NgodRules]

Steel is very porous so you wanna outgas it always.

[@melgross]

Aluminum is the bigger problem.

[@s.ge555]

Maybe late comment on this video, but i'll try.. I'm just curious how you track a temperature of a part or a wheel? Because powder has to be baked at X ammount of degrees for X ammount of time. And every part is different, different materials reaches temp. differently too. Is it eyeballig from experience or there is some techniques? Because now I'm just cheking temp with digital temp meter ant start the timer when I see part has reached desired temperature. Also how over baking or under baking affects the end result of paint? BIG regards ant thank tou for creating this type of content, greeting from the middle of Europe.

[@UnknownCoatings]

IR temp gun!

[@Hoxer30]

Really cool with the time line. Maybe you could have done a sum up at the end. But cool informative video and those wheels sure turned out nice 😉

[@UnknownCoatings]

whats to sum up? the total time? Too many variables lol

[@Hoxer30]

@@UnknownCoatings But then why time it at all if there is to many varibles😉 This set of wheels took a total of bla bla bla with out any complications, i think people would understand 😁 But on the other hand, we can just watch it again 😉😜

[@UnknownCoatings]

@@Hoxer30 because nobody asked how long it takes from start to finish. They asked how long each process takes. Not everyone chem strips, not every one blasts their own products, not everyone tapes pads, not everyone sprays two stages. Lots of variables. I have tons of faith that anyone who can figure out how to watch a video on KZbin can also do at least a moderate amount of basic math to figure out how long a job may take them.

[@Hoxer30]

@@UnknownCoatings Haha, i hope you are right about the math 😜 Anyway, i was look at this timeline as of this projekt - were you are thinking of the proces of each job in the projekt. I didn't mean to piss on your parade - love your stuff and hope you put much more out. I don't even care if we have seen it all before, but the colors and small extra tips are all worth it to me. Keep it up 👍👍

[@darrenjones3118]

Hi Is it possible to get the same stripping quality with just blasting as I would prefer not to use the chemicals ? Darren

[@UnknownCoatings]

I mean, maybe but the time it would take it out of control

[@XMotogodX]

@@UnknownCoatings Agreed. Sandblasting rims as far as stripping SUCKS. I have no chemical stripper here either, so I'm forced to do it. With enough CFM behind your blaster, it shouldn't be too terrible.....but some factory wheel finishes are a nightmare to remove by force.

[@trwelds6770]

Hey, stumbled across your videos a few weeks ago. Really liking the content so far. I have a few qustions if you dont mind, I do custom tig welding and fabrication and got into coating as a hobby that quickly became a feature of my shop as a one stop for building and coating. I started with the eastwood gun and upgraded pretty fast to the hyper smooth 02 gun. One problem I seem to get is that I am not getting enough cloud on my powder. I run 10-20 psi. I run the hoppers provided with the gun but have been looking at the Fluidized hoppers. Are they worth the upgrade? If i turn my air up past 20 psi I seem to get enough cloud but so much air is passing that it blows the powder off at 12" away. I also was curious about your blasting set up. I also use 30-60 grit media and have the same gun. I use a 3.2mm(1/8") tip and my air is 20 CFM @ 90 Psi, I was wondering what nozzle tip you use and how much CFM you have behind the media as it seems to be a bit faster. I dont have the chemical stripper yet but I take 15-25 minutes per 20" wheel. I would die for the chemical stripper but its been hard to find anything that will ship to Canada. 50 gal drum of B17 is about $3000 to get to me. I tried to call the number you had posted for your chemical guy but no answer. Lastly, What do you do about the center caps on most wheels. mostly plastic, I have thought about trying to heat them up with a heat gun and putting powder on them. Most people here want Gloss black which is fine for painting or dipping them but with the custom colors how do you handle this or just leave it on the client? Hope to hear back and keep up the insightful videos. Thanks

[@UnknownCoatings]

I use the original hoppers, the new ones I see seem to get tons of complaints.I will try to do a video with my hoppers. Anyone can make these for under 20 bucks. Expect a video in the next week showing them, since a bunch of you guys have asked. Id say your issue is directly associatd with the newer style hoppers. They just suck. Well try the number I have posted in the last few videos. Ask for Matt. I know GreenSolv is there in canada, expensive and needs to be heated, but a great product. my blasting setup is all covered in the Equipment video, episode 23 I think it is. I tend to avoid center caps. If anything I get a paint matched in a spray can by a local auto body supply store.

[@r34drew]

so I blasted 2 of my wheels but I didn't use any stripper on them and I did the barrels as well. but is there anything I messed up doing that?

[@UnknownCoatings]

probably not

[@VettsTravel]

So 2 hours from beginning to end?

[@billh5701]

Why can't you pressure wash after the stripper and eliminate the neutralizer?

[@UnknownCoatings]

Well the biggest reason is I dont want acid or acid soaked paint/powder spraying around my shop or more specifically in my face. But I neutralize it because treating the water in my wash out tank and if its super acidic that treatment takes FOR EVER.

[@customcoatings8818]

Hey man. So I've been getting shocked if I'm touching my hanger when I'm spraying. Is something wrong with my ground perhaps? Thanks

[@UnknownCoatings]

Its a grounding issue for sure. The part you touch is acting like a capacitor and storing energy until you create the ground when you touch it.

[@perknowitzki7158]

How is the ground suppose to go? Assuming you ground it with a rod

[@UnknownCoatings]

@@perknowitzki7158 my whole booth is grounded, then I also run a wire from back of my box to the chain all my parts hang from

[@WarefareModern3]

Do you not wipe parts with alcohol after outgassing?

[@UnknownCoatings]

No never.

[@Kipparimedia]

Hi! I dont live usa so can you tell me what tha chemical is used to strip the wheels so i could try find one in my country?

[@UnknownCoatings]

It's methylene chloride based rim strip. Likely not available in other countries

[@Kipparimedia]

Unknown Coatings oh okay! I will have to find a stripper for my parts

[@Torpeero]

Terve, löysikkö/keksikkö Joonas maalinpoistajaa Suomesta? Mulla nyt sama tilanne että kiinnostais tietää/löytää mitä ja mistä saa :D

[@Torpeero]

Nice work, love your videos! I'm a little late to this party but could you please tell me what gun system that is? Is it a hypersmooth or what, looks to lay powder real nice! You have shown in some of your videos the yellow hypersmooth unit but that one looks black. I'm looking to upgrade my starter tribo gun soon. Cheers from Finland!

[@korben8336]

Can you sand blast the paint off without Chem stripping it?

[@UnknownCoatings]

paint is easy, powder is a bit of a task

[@ia7288]

What is in the neutralization tank exactly?

[@UnknownCoatings]

water and baking soda

[@alcaraballo4211]

Where are you located, been dying to powdercote my 2020 sti oem wheels in gold

[@UnknownCoatings]

Salt Lake City, UT

[@alcaraballo4211]

@@UnknownCoatings wow I'm in fl

[@ezcoating1426]

What is in nuetralization tank?

[@UnknownCoatings]

water and baking soda

[@brieflean]

You should test how a rim would come out it you only stripped the paint off and out gassed. No blasting

[@UnknownCoatings]

I suppose I could do that? Or not even outgassed lol

[@aqwkrr]

I've always wondered why you outgas after blast.. shouldn't it be the other way around to blast off any impurities??

[@UnknownCoatings]

@@aqwkrr I don't want to bake crap into the wheel. Remember when you heat a wheel opens pores. I blast before and after

[@aqwkrr]

Gotcha, makes sense. Thanks for the reply 👍👍

[@kabamm900000]

@@UnknownCoatings you blast wheel twice? video didnt show that?

[@859john]

I've been powder coating for 11 years ... I've always wore head phones while in the booth and ive had headphones zap me ..

[@UnknownCoatings]

Haha yeah I stopped using headphones for this reason!

[@Mereshot101]

Just out of curiosity you try some bluetooth headphones? I rather not get zapped and ruin headphones lol

[@brandonhunsaker6867]

What air compressor do you use

[@UnknownCoatings]

I use a champion. Episode 23 does a full run down of my equipment and also links in the description of that video to each item

[@brandonhunsaker6867]

Thank you

[@SuperBuggerboo]

Curious exactly what “up the cloud” means?

[@UnknownCoatings]

Increase powder content

[@SuperBuggerboo]

@@UnknownCoatings i kinda figured haha thanks!

[@acescape88]

How much for a job like this?

[@UnknownCoatings]

400 at my shop.

[@krisztianheigli3239]

What paint striper?

[@UnknownCoatings]

Rim strip. Information is available in the description

[@brieflean]

Have you done bumpers?

[@UnknownCoatings]

A bunch of times yeah

[@brieflean]

Unknown Coatings videos? I’d like to watch

[@jerrygorman5030]

What exactly is "Outgassing"?

[@UnknownCoatings]

basically baking impurities out of the metal., Mostly an issue on cast aluminum and magnesium.

[@STREEF90]

What is you're bake temp?

[@UnknownCoatings]

This is powder specific, but typically 400 f

[@STREEF90]

@@UnknownCoatings and you let them chill for 2 hours. Is it not faster when you do 2 at a time? My oven is similar to you're i can put 4 in but it takes to mutch time for my point of view

[@lesterturner2237]

what stripper do you use

[@335icosmin]

Hello. First of all, let ME tell you that i am a huge fan of yours. I like very much your videos. I Also do powder coating în my country. I have one question: have you ever Sprayed The Base coat on the wheels without out gass?

[@UnknownCoatings]

Lester I use RIM STRIP, details are in the description of the video, Contact Matt and tell him I sent you!

[@UnknownCoatings]

no I havent,

[@randolfdy6963]

Planning for business, how to price each powder coating jobs?

[@ISnipeWitFuglyGerbil]

Call the competition in your area to figure out how to be competitive with your pricing.

[@randolfdy6963]

@@ISnipeWitFuglyGerbil still don't have atleast one competitor here in my location, that's why i grab this opportunity in powder coating.

[@ISnipeWitFuglyGerbil]

@@randolfdy6963 ah ok In that case I can give you some guidelines for pricing but it really varies depending on your location and what it costs you. First thing to know is that blasting is usually priced on a per minute basis. Anywhere from 2-3$ a minute is a fair price to charge your customers. Rims are usually 80-120 each to powdercoat, and they usually take 7-15 minutes a rim to sandblast, depending on size, and what they're coated with (if it is powdercoated it takes longer to blast). Patio furniture usually runs around 60-80 a chair to coat, and 100-120 a table to coat plus blast. Blast times for chairs can range anywhere from 15-25 minutes and table blast times range from 20-30 minutes. Keep in mind that you can not blast die cast aluminum without pitting it severely. You can invest in a chemical stripper like benco b-17 to strip powdercoated items like rims. If you need anymore tips or help let me know.

[@randolfdy6963]

@@ISnipeWitFuglyGerbil thanks for the tips, these will give me a pathway to do good and fair business with powder coating.

[@exemjazhuel3428]

@@ISnipeWitFuglyGerbil in dont live in the united did you know any non chemical rim strip for speed up a lil bit the process

[@chipispowdercoatingcharles8444]

Man my hold up is strip

[@UnknownCoatings]

check the description of my videos and talk to matt, he can get you setup

[@chipispowdercoatingcharles8444]

@@UnknownCoatings thanks man

[@kabamm900000]

you missed letting people know about how long it takes wheels to cool down aswell between stanges that definatly takes a bunch of time

[@UnknownCoatings]

Too many variables. I can't say it takes x amount of time. A factory BMW style 101 is gonna take way longer than an RPF1 and ambient air temperature is going to play a huge role in that. This video was to show how long processes take that are somewhat consistent. Ultimately if you can't figure the rest out, it's likely you aren't powder coating anyways....