How Long Will Europe’s Support of the War in Ukraine Last? | VICE News Tonight

Since Russia invaded Ukraine, Germany has joined other western governments in sending billions in military support to Ukraine. But as the war drags on, a growing number of Germans want their government to stop sending weapons and sit down with Russia to find a solution to the conflict.
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[@latviesulegionars8806]

i like how one of the protestors is asked would he want support from other countries if germany was invaded and like any good politician he avoided the question completly

[@laloelsalamanca]

Like the free world supported Iraq when it was invaded by the USA, right?

[@eksiarvamus]

"In my point of view, they need to stop the war at once." Well gosh, I didn't know we have such a geopolitics expert at this meeting...

[@brutalistdude301]

They always do, they have no real argument, they should constrain their complaints to the web, we don't need their idiocy right now.

[@AbusiveFlash]

@@eksiarvamus Common sense is a rare perk these days. By wishing people can achieve anything it seems.

[@fleekrushyt9410]

​@@brutalistdude301 As someone from Germany, i can tell you that thankfully especially the young generation doesnt support far right parties, but i can tell you that this country has been dissapointing and that especially politics are dead.

[@hudsonhornet6801]

It’s like they think that they can just ask Russia to stop.

[@TheGodEmperorOfMankind_]

👉👈 Um, will you please stop invading Ukraine?

[@supersardonic1179]

"Dear Putin, please stop. Sincerely, a concerned person on KZbin. Luv yu xx."

[@zlowieszczy_049]

true, they are adults but with a kids mentality

[@RandomDudeOne]

Any negotiation that hinges on ceding Ukrainian territory to Russia is a non--starter. Georgia and Chechnya negotiated settlements with Russia to end war only to have Russia return later for more. Russia cannot be trusted.

[@TvGunslingeRvT]

I mean mate, they just want peace. The modern life made men weak. We got used being peaceful and we forgot that we have to fight at some point.

[@ItsJustMe0585]

Love how the one dude at the start just 100% ignored the question about 'if this happened to Germany, wouldn't you want military aid?' 'I think everyone just needs to stop fighting.' God, people are so dense, naive, and in their little bubbles that they can't see how sometimes... the world just sucks ass, and some people are inherently evil and cannot be reasoned with. You'd think that the Germans of all people would know better.

[@doktorkoka]

Right, some people are too dense to get one simple thing - if they don't like one country's propaganda and it's bullshit, it doesn't mean that the other side is right. Do you remember the time when any propaganda was pain truth? So maybe them people should read some books on history and stop believing their government cares about them.

[@june-cz1cw]

I know I was abused if I thought my abuser wasn't a bastard then I wouldn't have gotten out

[@ItsJustMe0585]

@@june-cz1cw huh? I read that sentence about 10x and it still didn't make any sense.

[@AlexJae30]

Maybe he had it in mind that Germany started two world wars, so maybe other countries wouldn’t come it’s defense if they start another one.

[@prostandoff2120]

Украинцы смешные, думают их страна играет важную роль в этом конфликте. Зеленки плачет что его не показывают на оскаре или superbowl. Путин смееться когда его обьявляют в розыск

[@Tortuex_]

those people live in such a romanticised world - I wish I could be part of it

[@KrookedKookie]

It's romantic to think Ukraine will win. Ukrainians could be happily living under Russian guidance but they are dumb enough to believe people like you.

[@Hikkan693]

They stand with Russian flags and shout that they are not enemies of Russia, but they do not even know that in Russia for such words about peace and friendship with opponents they would be tortured and, possibly, imprisoned for 15-20 years and would be forcibly sent to war as cannon fodder.

[@JerzyFeliksKlein]

Lobotomy might help ;)

[@tubetotto]

Zis is German pacifismus. It says the peace will emerge once people stop fighting. What it fails to take into account, is sometimes there's an idiot out there who a WANTS TO HAVE FIGHT. If that happens, you supposed to chase him away with a tullip not to hurt him. They are all in theier late 50s who grew up in post-war, West Germany anti-war, anti-nuclear propaganda. Weird product of a weird time.

[@sk-sm9sh]

When Germany lost in ww2 instead of getting genocide they got money and investments. I guess some people grew up to believe that defending isn't necessary and that for ukraine to simply give up fighting gonna end up as well as it did for germans.

[@DOOM91121]

“They need to stop the war” from the author "just the homeless need to buy houses" and "people are starving? so let them eat cakes" I didn’t know that in Germany rallies are allowed for crazy people, and they are not treated in hospitals

[@lolstalgic9602]

The Germans have always been Psychotic

[@timokohler6631]

In Germany we have freedom of speech, everyone can have a rally for whatever they want as long as they hurt or threaten no one.

[@lolstalgic9602]

@@timokohler6631 Yeah, because LAST time that happened, guess who took control?

[@TheMrGunmann]

To allow people to have a peaceful rally and exercise freedom of speech is crucial for a democratic system. However, allowing potentially armed people to storm an important government building - that really seems crazy to me.

[@ComradPravda]

Do you think Ukraine would start killing people in the Donbass if it knew that the people of Europe would not be able to see this and would not say it was bad? How do you think it happened that for eight years the European media were talking about anything but how the people of eastern Ukraine suffer because they do not agree with the Nazi and anti-Russian agenda of Ukraine? Tell me, if you lived next door to Cinderella's stepmother, to whose house Cinderella's grandfather would come and present her with a bill for Cinderella's work for many years and for the traces of her beatings on Cinderella's body, would it be very easy for you to look into his eyes? After all, you drank coffee with this stepmother every day and invited her to visit

[@VincentNoot]

4:30 her: “first time after the Second World War that Europe is at war again.” Former Yugoslavia, “uhmm… what did you call those conflicts in Bosnia in 1993?”

[@petrakapelle599]

this has been a special civil operation of course

[@warrenkensington6091]

typical whataboutism of kremlinbots

[@bondrewdthelordofdawn3744]

Insignificant for western hemisphere

[@dhiwaakara6781]

It's an typical western narrative told to europian people to gain support.

[@ryna7715]

they started speak like this only because Ukrainians simply more, and we are make the westerners living uncomfortable

[@AbusiveFlash]

"Makes more sense for us to be friends together on the same continent" I mean mate, if your friend is strangling your other friends and basically killing them, will you remain a friend until your turn comes or will you turn around and help your strangled friend and tell the agressor that this is not right? Some people... Genuine fairies flying in their skulls

[@MrWolschmi]

Saying 'friend' to a country disqualifies that guy anyway xD

[@168original7]

Depends those guys don't really view ukraine/russia as friends. I think those guys just don't want their country to be apart of the conflict at all. It's understandable because it's just geopolitics and all of that. Most people don't care too much about what happens in other countries. And honestly doing nothing other than making snarky youtube comments isn't doing much either.

[@mavigogun]

@@168original7 "...just geopolitics..." What weasel-words! No, comrade, it's just the murder of hundreds of thousands and the destruction of the legacy of millions. Count the character of your company as you will, "most people" where I live very much care about this genocide and spread of the Russian gangster state; those who don't care are a fractional minority.

[@UdumbaraMusic]

@@168original7 Well in that case saying "Makes more sense for us to be friends together on the same continent" doesn't hold any value, it's just they don't want to be involved.

[@brutalistdude301]

@@168original7 Yeah, but you can bet they'd have something to say if the US was trying to take over Spain with brutal war.

[@jeremiasrobinson]

The attendents holding Gadsden flags while singing "US go home." I guess they don't get the irony.

[@youtubewatcher2]

Depth of understanding and knowledge of history are decidedly missing in the German right/conspiracy crowd

[@laurenceb5516]

the whole reason they exist as a country past 1945 is cuz we protected them

[@myeyeswentdeaf6213]

Those are nazis. The Swastika is outlawed in Germany, so nazis in Germany picked up confederate symbols, like the confederate flag, the Gadsden flag and the like.

[@orccomputers2145]

dude go home....

[@ironknee6879]

One of the things this conflict has highlighted, is that most people don’t care what took place before they were born. It’s why, when Putin talks about pre-1991 justifications for Crimea, or Ukraine, he’s automatically dismissed…90% of those fighting Russia were born after. Same with Germany, as 1945 was 80 years ago. Governments often appreciate history, but individuals are only concerned about how something might affect their life, especially those who are relatively comfortable.

[@John-tb5se]

random german guy - "just make peace" NATO and putin - "omg why didn't we think of that!"

[@KarlSnarks]

World peace ensues, random German guy is crowned king of the United Earth kingdom.

[@captainyossarian388]

It's like that scene in The Onion movie when the stoned hippie gets hired by the UN to broker a peace deal.

[@dangrayson6393]

the only way to have peace with a guy like that is to defeat him,

[@blazoraptor3392]

It gives serious Chamberlain vibes. Literally nothing holds Putin back from just resuming his invasion after a ceasefire because he has no respect for treaties if it doesn't benefit him

[@-_XD]

@@blazoraptor3392This! People forgot the Budapest Memorandum.

[@jonnym7751]

Shame they weren’t in that frame of mind in the 1930’s 😂😂

[@selcukcilek555]

Don't need to go that far. In 1999 The NATO bombed a European Capital , i.E. Belgrade.

[@lo3161]

After Serbian massacred Bosnian and Albanian and didn't want to retreat

[@emgee0312]

@@selcukcilek555 that was completely justified

[@GoErikTheRed]

It many cases the current mindset comes from a desire to avoid repeating those mistakes

[@SeraphimBarca]

​@@selcukcilek555 Good. Isn't your name Turkish? The Serbs were murdering muslims, croats, raping and torturing.. 😂

[@vejet]

0:50 Love how he couldn't even answer a simple question. These people have no answers and no solutions, they are incredibly naïve and simple minded. It's quite frankly embarrassing.

[@robcanisto8635]

It was a pointless "what about" question. He just wants people to stop dying in a pointless war that RUSSIA is going to win.

[@mcfockergabriel2237]

These people should go to Russia and have a protest there against war.

[@liviut.7919]

how about to go to the country who started the most wars?

[@mcfockergabriel2237]

@@liviut.7919 Neither false war of plunder justifies the other.

[@jdawg8487]

@@liviut.7919 Last I checked America didn’t start a war in the heart of Europe and cause the ensuing humanitarian crisis that spilled out of Ukraine. Gee, if only you were willing to hold Russia to the same standard instead of giving them a pass with the “uNcLe SaM bAd” card.

[@MyComedyNetwork]

@@jdawg8487 America didn’t start a war in the heart of Europe? Serbia?

[@jdawg8487]

@@MyComedyNetwork Serbia was already in a state of war before 1999. And given the ethnic cleansing that happened in Bosnia, it’s not a surprise NATO didn’t want to repeat the mistake of doing nothing.

[@mavigogun]

This is ever the cry of some of the comfortable when their neighbor's house is on fire- "we should stop sending fire trucks- wherever they go there are fires. We must demand the fire to put itself out!"

[@sedled2829]

Its more like the firefighters are actually adding more fuel to the fire. The war is only getting worse. Sending weapons wont add benefit to the war in a macro sense. Ukraine is not NATO and shouldn't be treated like a semi nato state.

[@tefky7964]

@@pik6921 Why would Ukraine do that?

[@danielkjm]

Funny how that is never aplied to African or Middle East contries...

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

As much as I want peace their can't be any because Ukraine want all their land back and Russia want more territories so your asking for Ukraine to give up land if say they should stop the war and Ukraine won't want that and Russia want more land and their nothing going to be happy give those land back it like a burglar come into your house and say half of your home is their

[@mavigogun]

​@@pik6921

[@ljiljankocurcic8893]

Imagine a burglar breaks into your house, you call a police and police tell you: we don't want to intervene, we are for peace! Good luck out there!

[@thewho5786]

When the police investigated on why did the certain person breaks into your house it was found out that you provoke that certain person or force that certain person to do so and the police concludes that you're the one whos guilty of triggering the said happening.

[@ata3329]

if someone is standing with fire in his hand near your gas tank he might say I didn't do anything but if you don't keep his fire and him away it's your loss when your tank explode, Politic is not child play where you say I didn't hit you, you can't hit me, it must seen from much bigger and deeper point of understanding of this war

[@Marigo33]

Let's imagine a different situation. Mexico and Cuba host Russian missiles. The US is silent, right?

[@jesss1561]

So if Russia can bring its missiles to Mexico and Cuba with local governments' approval Russia will withdraw from all of the territories it has occupied? If Mexico and Cuba still say no to Russia's missiles Russia will withdraw nonetheless because Mexico and Cuba are sovereign countries. That sounds like a good deal for me. Let's sue for peace immediately.

[@ZivineYT]

@@thewho5786 Still doesn’t make the break in legal you goober

[@mikeymike7738]

Like he said, if someone was invading your home wouldn’t you want other people to help you ? I use to think like them but that was me being selfish

[@selcukcilek555]

He didn't say "your home". He said "Germany". So why answer a stupid hypotetical question which is based on a narrative and wants to direct the answer towards that narrative?

[@longshucksgaming]

@@selcukcilek555 youre playing semantics....he was asking a german that question. pretty obvious he meant "your home"

[@selcukcilek555]

@@longshucksgaming You don't get my point. What I am saying is if you ask a person about his country then you will hear how far he/she feels "at home" from that answer. Nevertheless Donbass population don't feel "at home" in the Ukraine because their elected president was toppled in the Maidan Coup in 2014 and they are told to accept a Neo -Nazi henchman.

[@TheRandomguy225]

@@selcukcilek555 since when was Wagner Group in charge of the Ukranian government?

[@ljuc]

If my home country was attacked I would want for a war to end, not for people Giving me a gun so I could die in a war.

[@Sphere723]

We have to be willing to fight for democracy or we won't have it for very long.

[@lolstalgic9602]

Go buy a plane ticket and fight then

[@subutai999]

​@@lolstalgic9602 he is fighting by contriburing some of his tax money

[@ljuc]

You won't have anything if you're dead.

[@lolstalgic9602]

@@subutai999 OUR tax money, that half of us don't get a say on.

[@Mestray_]

Just like US did in Iran?

[@OrestLubinets]

"It makes no sense to have an enemy on the same continent" - sounds like everyone outside European continent should be worried

[@wayhome5]

Haha. That's good point. Or else look at it as standard justification for why Germany should be friend of Russia, just because Russia is on the same continent, but really it is about to create mutually supportive continental power and divide spheres of influence, unfortunate for countries of central and Eastern Europe who are in between Germany and Russia (extreme materialisation of this idea was Ribentropp-Molotov pact 1939 and beginning of WW2 by joint German and Russian invasion of countries in between like Poland and Baltic States and so on). To summarise this idea of "being friends" with other despite it being even worst totalitarian regime and aggressor in case of Germany and Russia would be sth related to this old geopolitical concept

[@DMlTREl]

​@@wayhome5 There is always idiots who call non-agression pact "friendship"

[@ifesogbu7587]

What exactly is your point?

[@DMlTREl]

@@ifesogbu7587 I think they need to have a common enemy so as not to fight with each other

[@sectorseven07]

They should lol.

[@khaledadams4329]

In my opinion, the decision for supporting a war is less about who will win, and more about one side being justified to defend themselves, and the other side being unjustified in their invasion and destruction.

[@jamesriepe]

Well if that’s the way you think you apparently don’t know how the world works. Hold your politicians accountable.

[@Vlad-fm3gk]

did you support Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan. Libya? or is it only cool to invade when you and your boys do it

[@maxinabo]

Both sides have their truth, u have to respect both sides

[@wolfswinkel8906]

then you clearly have no understanding of the history of provocations which led to the outbreak of war today. Watch your TV and stay ind0ctrinated.

[@myparceltape1169]

I would go for the Removal of Invaders policy.

[@lynnkayee1015]

That guy with the Russian flag protesting for peace had me rolling. Just the thought of protesting for peace with the flag of a country where people who protest for peace get arrested, fined, jailed...or even forced into the army where they have to kill or be killed in the war they were protesting against...is just so lacking awareness it feels like a slapstick comedy skit. 🤦

[@egro_chaplia]

Че за бред, у нас в России такого нет.

[@qwertyuiop6582]

@@egro_chaplia ахаааххххаха

[@qwertyuiop6582]

And... Just picture in your head what happens if you take the Ukrainian flag out on the streets in Russia

[@ka82yetan]

Moreover, it's a flag of the aggressors and war criminals.

[@kamikazestryker]

These people are Neo Nazis that pretends to be "peaceful". Their real goal is the end of NATO and the return of the chaotic national divide of each nation. They hate the globalisation so much they are willing to side with Russia to abolish EU NATO efforts of unity. Their endgoal is Germans only matters. Its a shame that we see a return of stupidness again. But Democratic Nations will always have these kind of problem. There will be always other thinking people, but once getting arrested they scream about human rights and pretends to fight for a good cause. I detest these people but you cannot really force them to think otherwise.

[@lordlidl6713]

'Wouldn't you want other countries to help Germany if you got attacked?' 'Lemme just ignore that question'

[@littlefox3252]

The power of friendship only happens in books, these guys just haven't realized yet.

[@marinchan6334]

😂 Its amatuer term for diplomacy. So in your opinion you want the war to continue until there is no soldier left of Ukraine? Do you think it can win the war against the evil Putin with the power of friendship from its EU members and US? Do you think Russia will leave Ukraine without any gains in the War like a good kid in the class?

[@diearly09]

The power of friendship works for “My Little Pony.” It must work for Putler’s war.

[@treyshaffer]

@@marinchan6334 You're right, we should just let Russia annex Ukraine. It worked out when Germany (ironically) did the same thing with Czechia back 80 years ago, right, so obviously we should continue letting anyone forceably annex any country they want because in the end that will create friendship yadda yadda Kremlin propaganda

[@OGAshton]

@@treyshaffer Russia cannot hope to annex all of Ukraine that’s not what’s being said here or in any diplomatic talks. The NATO war hawks want to prolong this war as long as possible as to squeeze as much money as possible from the war. It doesn’t matter how optimistic these pro-war in Ukraine advocates are, the likelihood that they will be able to drive Russia out of the occupied oblasts is basically 0. Even with the support of West Europe and North America. This war is ravaging Ukraine and killing millions of it’s young people. Peace & diplomacy must be the top priority or there won’t be a future in Ukraine

[@case6189]

Surprised they also had a chant USA go home..? Wth? Do they not realize if the USA all the sudden backed out of nato and became a completely isolated neutral country Russia and China would be all up in their cheeks lmao you’re welcome

[@asynchronicity]

Aggression appeased is aggression encouraged and amplified.

[@ryanw7671]

Evil triumphs when good people do nothing.

[@thesauce1682]

just like western agression in middle east?

[@asynchronicity]

@@thesauce1682 Exactly. I guess you agree that this is the same sort of thing.

[@oldebookandoddshop1510]

It's not appeasement to not sell one side of a conflict weapons.

[@av199]

​@@thesauce1682 ah, a US-hating whatabouter joined the conversation, rigut about time! Hey, I can play this game too: what about the Muslim conquest of Middle east? what about Islamic slave trade continuing well past western slavery and being more brutal? What about raids on slavic tribes in Eastern europe? What about subjugation of Persia and India? What about the kafala that def "ended, pinky promise I swear its over?" What about wiping out Indochinese cultures in the name of Islam? What about genital mutilation? What about Saudi mercenary forces that recruit mostly from Africa? What about boko-haram?

[@223rockmaster]

Expecting diplomacy from Russia is like expecting a civilized tea party from a bear.

[@user-xb2tw5pl4b]

The only diplomatic tool a bear will understand = 50cal between the eyes.

[@dfdemt]

It’s SO easy to protest something when you’re safe and comfortable in your own country, not having to worry about a bomb landing on your house or if you’re going to be able to eat tomorrow.

[@prochsel3722]

As a German let me tell you, that this "peace demonstration" was announed and "hyped" for several months. When it happened they were roughly 10k people there. I dont know, why VICE didnt do that, but the driving figures behind those demonstration are Sahra Wagenknecht (Die Linke ((The Left)) and Alice Schwarzer, which was a huge womens rights activist in the 70s and now is a Terf. Both of these wrote a "peace-manifest" to the government which was signed by 750k people, Germany has roughly 80 mil people. It declares to stop the delivery of weapons to Ukraine and demands peace talks between "the west" and Russia. Lets get to the problem here: the conflict between Ukraine and Russia is much older than the resulting conflict after Russia did a full scale invasion. Lets just mention the annexion of crimea in 2014, where the country was in huge turmoil and dealing with a corrupt president, basically Ukraine wanted to be in the European Union, but Janukowytsch didnt, altough it was his promise to do so if he would be elected as president (read Maidan Demonstration to get more info) or the "friendship" contract made in the 90s between Russia and Ukraine, where Russia respects the sovereignty of Ukraine, in exchange Ukraine had to hand over the remaining nuclear bombs, which were stored in there at the time of the USSR. To put it simply there has been A LOT of trying from the west to get peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine, but Putin especially was never willing to give in just a slight bit, because he is stern in his believes and doesnt budge, his propaganda wouldnt even allow it. Finally it is my conception, that those peace protesters are not well informed on the matter and just want to have their better times back, before the war was happening, i.e. getting cheap gas from Russia and not having to deal with inflation, which is roughly 9% and will slowly decline now. Also most of these people use Russian propaganda, especially Sahra Wagenknecht, who was called out by the Russian journalist Marina Wladimirowna Owsjannikowa (she held the "no war" poster in the background of the news broadcast in Russia), she said roughly translated "you speak as you were paid by the Russian Federation", but the followers of Sahra Wagenknecht are not interested in that. To sum it up, this movement isnt huge in Germany and is littered with far right, far left and poorly informed "pacifists", who cant deal with a fairly low inflation + moderate gas prices and are scared about refugees, because they are "different"... 161 and Slava Ukraini

[@artembiyun423]

thanks! Russian interference in Ukraine in recent history goes deeper than that too, After the Orange revolution Russia basically began it's anti-Ukraine campaign, and they spent a LOT of resources in getting Yanukovich elected and then strong armed him to cancel the EU association agreement last minute - Ukraine is an obsession for Putin since the early years of his presidency. It is the truth that any ceasefire will just be a pause before Russia can invade again - the only peace conditions are 1. the complete destruction and subjugation of Ukraine (which will be followed by harassment and invasion of the next country ) or 2. Russian war crimes tribunals, reperations, de-nazification of Russia - basically forcing russia off the imperialist path

[@based3765]

Agreed!

[@kerstas10]

Ukrainians diffrent? 😂 people are trully stupid. And they get stupidier by every year.

[@bogdan6720]

Дякую за тверезу позицію та підтримку❤

[@Sasha-dr4or]

Totally agree! I think these people are mostly poorly educated, selfish, and pro-russian. They shouldn't forget that the US helped a war-torn Germany to rebuild its economy.

[@kaijusushi8165]

it makes no sense whatsoever for german pacifists to protest the war when there is no equivalent political movement protesting the war in Russa. their demonstrations are nothing but appeasement of Putrin's aggression and brutality. we learned in the second world war that wishing for peace is not enough when dealing with the ambitions of a brutal dictator

[@brutalistdude301]

I mean, yeah, their point is less people would die if the war ended. They aren't very concerned if Russia erases Ukrainian people after, in their minds those people could just move if they don't like Russia. Can't be the other way around though, where Russia leaves and takes anyone who legit wants to be Russian with them.

[@gallectee6032]

Your mistake is not realizing that this is only happening because of NATO expansion. Just like the US will not allow China or Russia to set up military bases in Mexico who would be getting liberated from the cartels and their drugs the next day with the help of the US army, nor will the other superpowers allow the US to do that (e.g. Ukraine, Taiwan). It's the US who is creating these wars by encroaching on them. Those states should be militarily neutral, just as Mexico is forced to be by the US. John Mearsheimer's lecture released in 2016 predicted exactly as it played out. Titled "Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer".

[@SebastianLarsen]

They've always done Muscovy's bidding.

[@tms174]

Well, there is equivalent protest against russias war, much more numerous than the other louder no weapon protesters

[@omyhaby1912]

Dictator?

[@MMO_JOURNEY]

"If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ends."

[@rajdeepjadav6263]

What if Ukraine never wanted to join NATO ?

[@jackwallter2361]

If NATO continue to spread Russia ends! That is why mr. Putin is going to kick their a.s.s

[@personaldove]

@@rajdeepjadav6263 They never did. But they do now.

[@tasospanagiotou7823]

no. Russia can keep donbass and Crimea. Ukraine promises to never join NATO written on paper. Russian army leaves Ukraine (except Donbass and Crimea) and promise not to invade again. both sides abstain from extreme actions from now on. Ukraine continues to exist as a state. End of story.

[@soupisgood44]

each time I visit Germany, I meet SO many ethnic Russians who've been living there for many decades, and who's families get their primary news sourced from Russian media and have been doing so for years. Even the young people from these families do the same. They just identify so much more with Russia than the very land they are currently living in. I remember seeing a statistic this year that Germany has the highest amount of pro-russian support compared to any other European country... and it's simply because of the vast amount of ethnic Russians and their families who live there. So much pride for a country they've never even lived in..

[@sophk8457]

Because a good relationship with Russia means a better life (economically) in Germany. Why you’re so surprised?

[@soupisgood44]

@@sophk8457 thanks for the good laugh, you're always welcomed to tell us some more good jokes the next time you slither out of your hole 😂

[@sophk8457]

@@soupisgood44 😂😂😂Awww now you sound like a kid, my bad, go back to your video games.

[@TheRandomguy225]

@@sophk8457 what does Russia have that NATO doesn't lol. It's more corrupt, poorer, drunker with a much weaker military.

[@HCB.S]

yes, that is really a problem. I wish the Putin-loving German-Russians would go to Russia.

[@TheGhostOf2020]

It’s like if a burglar broke into your neighbor’s house and held them up at gunpoint, pistol whipped them, and after seeing all this you decide to not help your neighbor or even call the police, but ask the burglar to be friends. Brutal.

[@SteffiReitsch]

@@exsixtunes9246 Ukraine did not do that, you're parroting Russian propaganda.

[@semipalatinsk1]

​@@exsixtunes9246 Appr. 14-16,000 people were killed in Donbass 2014-22 as a result of the civil war there instigated and fuelled by Russia - INCLUDING soldiers on both sides, Ukrainian and separatists. In other words, a very low number of deaths for an 8 year war, considering the 100's of 1000's killed in the last year alone. This tells us that we should all stop spreading Russia's lies about a genocide in Donbass.

[@cookiekha]

It's more like your neighbour is knowingly inviting all the people that threatens you on a regular basis, wants to provoke you and cause you harm, into their home and you're not comfortable with living so close to people who will eventually cause you harm.

[@Birdylockso]

This illustration does not reflect the complexity of the situation. There are much more unhappy and unfriendly relationships between these neighbors for many years and finally boiled over to open conflict. I predict this will become another Israel-Palestine perpetual conflict for the foreseeable future.

[@stanbinary]

Vice content from 2018 m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/rX6wiaiBd5V1pbs&vl=en

[@weebl666]

"We want peace" is a nice euphemism for "I'm willing to allow Ukraine to be subjugated, so that I can be less anxious about constantly reading about war in the news - why won't those Ukrainians just surrender and stop causing minor inconvenience in my day to day life" or "I can't admit it out loud, but I like russia's authoritarian, Christian, ethnostate and root for them to win and get stronger, so that they can more efficiently keep eroding democracy in my country, and keep strengthening right wing populists I want to take over".

[@Nancy-nc4sw]

DON'T CALL PUTINS RUSSIA CHRISTIAN. THE CHURCH THERE IS JUST A POLITICAL TOOL AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRUE WORK OF SALVATION IN JESUS CHRIST. 🇺🇦🤝🇺🇲✝️🙏

[@tendyboys8344]

How is Russia an ethnostate?

[@valentynapolishchuk1123]

Reading comments like this gives me back the faith in humanity

[@Khalid_Looby]

Merkil: The Minsk agreement were not for peace (NOT FOR "PEACE") it was to give Ukraine enough time to arm it self and face Russia Germany FM: We are at War with Russia NATO secretary: If Ukraine lose, NATO WILL lose. American military experts and colonels: We did a proxy war on Russia using Ukraine to avoid being nuked by Russia Macron French presdint: We tried regime change in Russia, But we failed Yeah. It seems Russia is the aggressor and Ukraine is the victim ( Whelp, Donbas genocides by Ukraine aka NATO puppet ) LMAO, keep dreaming guys. Russia defeated the Nazis and it will do it again, what u think will change? history repeat it self, but the west does not learn. 80% of the world ( middle east, Africa, south America and Asia ) are standing with Russia. Slava Russia! Russia is on the right side of history! the westerns who support more NATO aggression on Russia are just warmongers ( typical European/American/western, so I'm not surprised, they killed a million Iraq based on a lie and they are happy about it ) When you tell the truth it's always gonna be controversial WEST/NATO/EU/USA government bombing list: the democracy world tour: nuked Japan Korean and China 1950- 1953 Guatemala 1957 Indonesia 1958 Cuba 1959 - 1961 Guatemala 1960 Congo 1964 Laos 1964- 1973 Vietnam 1961- 1973 Cambodia 1969-1970 Guatemala 1967- -1969 Grenada 1983 Lebanon 1983-1984 (Both Lebanese and Syrians targets) Libya 1986 Elsavador 1980 Nicaragua 1980 Iran 1987 Panama 1989 Iraq 1981( Persian gulf war) Kuwait 1991 Somalia 1993 Bosnia 1994-1995 Sudan 1998 Afghanistan 1998 Yugoslavia 1999 Yemen 2002 Iraq 1991-2003 ( US/ UK on regular basis) Iraq 2003-2015 Afghanistan 2001-2015 Pakistan 2007-2015 Somalia 2007-8 and 2011 Yemen 2009 and 2011 Libya 2011 and 2015 Syria 2014- 2015 Never forget who's the real threat to the world!! Stay away from western propaganda or watch the non biased one! educate your self with history and knowledge.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

@@valentynapolishchuk1123 strawman arguments give you faith?

[@adamorowski3902]

They mean "peace" by cost of families located between Germany and Russia. I get your point, but Ukraine will not stop fighting.

[@chenicho]

Sometimes I just felt kind of desperate when there are people thinking Putin will just end the war and befriended countries that share the same continent as long as they asked. SMH, you can't ask for peace, you need to fight for it and earn it.

[@ComradPravda]

Do you think Ukraine would start killing people in the Donbass if it knew that the people of Europe would not be able to see this and would not say it was bad? How do you think it happened that for eight years the European media were talking about anything but how the people of eastern Ukraine suffer because they do not agree with the Nazi and anti-Russian agenda of Ukraine? Tell me, if you lived next door to Cinderella's stepmother, to whose house Cinderella's grandfather would come and present her with a bill for Cinderella's work for many years and for the traces of her beatings on Cinderella's body, would it be very easy for you to look into his eyes? After all, you drank coffee with this stepmother every day and invited her to visit

[@frankunderthecastle]

"They need to stop the war" Ok, working on it. - just a regular Ukrainian

[@franceleeparis37]

Well here’s the blueprint: 1) Don’t extend NATO 2) Stop removing Russian, language and culture from Ukrainian history and schools 3) stop treating Russian minorities like the Israelis treat Palestinians 4) invest in the south equally 6) stop wanting to join the EU 7) get rid of the fascist in the government and army 8)stop depending on US, UK and EU 9)….. shall I go on? Let’s get started..ok?😏

[@mikhalych9748]

Putin will win. Everything you think you know is a lie.

[@TotalllGaming]

meanwhile there are rssians working on not stopping the war

[@sueyourself5413]

@@TotalllGaming *Americans.

[@DOOM91121]

@@sueyourself5413 + 15 rubles

[@AnilSaulnier]

The problem with pacifism is that while you may be right to want an end to violence, what becomes normal is not who is right but who is willing to fight for their beliefs. If you believe in equality in fairness then you have to be willing to defend that belief. The other problem is the illusion of separation. There is no such thing as "over there." Every problem you ignore has an extremely real chance of becoming your new reality if you ignore it or refuse to take action because doing so makes you uncomfortable.

[@juumoi2273]

Well said regarding pacifism. It is easy to be a pacifist when no one is coming to kill you. Pacifism is a luxury provided by a civil society that is protected by laws, institutions and, at the end of the day, usually a military. If someone is trying to kill you and you refuse to fight back then you have truly died for pacifist beliefs. How many pacifists will refuse violence if their family is attacked?

[@hrzn202]

These people are not pacifists. They just dont want weapons that kill russians to be supplied to Ukraine. Why dont anybody ask them if russia was justified in attacking Ukriane? Their reply will probably mirror russian propaganda of US Biolabs,NATO,Ukrainian nazis. These are just shameless rats in kremlins pocket.Treat them as such

[@norahma9609]

it's not a pacifism. Those "pacifists" would call police if they will be rapist victims, for example. What we see - It's a result of russian propaganda.

[@eng3d]

If your belief is to sponsor a war so some companies could profit from it, then you need to breath air and take a break

[@SatanBla]

people who support sending weapons to ukraine should go fight themselves.

[@adammarshall6257]

Someone always loses, whether they want to admit it or not.

[@unknownuser6757]

Russia will lose. Like how America lost in Vietnam. Small country beat a bigger one. Larger country started a war they had no business starting both times. I guess it’s easy to start a war when your own family isn’t fighting.

[@BlackDogWoofs]

Finally, a Vice docco where the presenter isn't the main subject! Well done and traditional Vice stuff. Good to see. Thanks Dude!

[@leifiseland1218]

A recent poll I saw, about public support for Ukraine in European countries, it turned out that the support was highest in my country, Sweden, at a whopping 97%... 2nd came Finland, at 95%.. It might be an idea for VICE news to explore as to why support is so high up here in the north, compared to other places perhaps?.. I mean 97 & 95%... It's hard to think of any subjects that many would agree on in just about any country, isn't it?..🤔

[@weeblz9562]

Having a border with Russia maybe?

[@milanm403]

Swedish are the most brain washed people in the world? Sweden should SHOE the report about Nordstream pipeline!!! How it is possible that no German media repoted a story by Seymour Hersh the Pulitzer prize winner, the man with more journalistic awards than any other living journalist, writing about Germany, writing about German pipeline destroyed by the USA and Norway. Joe Biden ordered blowing up of a piece of vital energy infrastructure owned by his NATO ally Germany. This attack on German infrastructure will be with huge implications forever. Not a single news platforms in Germany reported a single word. Is this EU freedom of speech? Does Germany have any dignity?

[@milanm403]

@@weeblz9562 No, propaganda.

[@milanm403]

People forget how important the Nazism is to Ukraine’s transformation into a battering ram against Russia, this proxy war never would have been possible without the Nazification of Ukrainian culture, both the more subtle kind like the rehabilitation of the Nazi collaborators OUN and Bandera as national heroes and the aggressive kind of literal Nazi armies

[@williamthebonquerer9181]

​@@milanm403 like Russia doesn't have propaganda

[@FlyasaDiamond]

People genuinely think Putin will listen to negotiations. People legitimately think he’s a civilised human being who will listen to reasoning. People think he will just sit back and relax after conquering Ukraine

[@flow5718]

Putin is the most civilized of all Western leaders. Have you seen Brandon raving at the State of the Union about Xi? Compare that to Putin's SOTU a few weeks ago and the difference is night and day, he's measured and coherent, never once raising his voice or attacking any individual by name. Putin tried to negotiate so many times before the Feb 2022 invasion but was double crossed by the West, the Minsk 1 and 2 agreements were designed to ensure lasting peace and instead the signatories to the accords Germany and France never forced Ukraine to implement it, instead Merkel and Hollande have publicly stated it was all a sham to buy time to train and arm Ukraine to NATO standards with the eventual goal of retaking Crimea and the Donbas. Even before the Feb invasion he tried one last attempt at negotiations with the West and was completely ignored, he met Brandon in 2021 and go him to agree to implement the Minsk agreements which he said he would but did nothing about. This great power hungry dictator you're talking about with his goals of conquering Europe and the whole world didn't even have the troops to take on Ukraine at the start of the Feb invasion, it was shock and awe with gloves on very much unlike NATO's indiscriminatory bombing of Yugoslavia, Iraq, and Libya. He did not attack civilian or political administration infrastructure and was going exclusively after military installations in Ukraine to get them to peace negotiations, which they did in late March. The negotiations taking place in Turkey was then scuttled by Boris the Clown on orders of his American masters.

[@mimisor66]

They want to believe... because they are selfish and care more about their confort.

[@flow5718]

@@mimisor66 Wherefore thee gentle unselfish being doth thee not taketh thy self to Ukraine and square f'r what thee believeth in?

[@allydea]

Yes, some people have not yet overdosed on propaganda.

[@QuemuelBA]

One just can't negotiate with a psycho...

[@enricoamoroso8885]

I hope we never stop to support Ukraine until its win

[@theycallmeGUN]

And yet top US generals have publicly stated that a “win” for Ukraine is almost 100% not going to happen. It’s delusion like this that will prolong the war and lead to more death.

[@ronaldomontero3624]

Why

[@WrongedSports]

I think we all need to remember that Ukraine didn't want this war. Their people are fleeing and since they can't be living in a war zone and some countries need to help out. Especially ones that have created world wars and ruined the world a couple of times

[@wenterinfaer1656]

Nobody wanted the war, and here we are.

[@raskolnikov1461]

Why they were at war for 8 years then with their own citizens?

[@railasvuo]

Tell Russia to leave Ukraine. Finland supports Ukraine to the end

[@EuroMaidanWasAnInsurrection]

Your defense budget is 3 Billion annually compared to our 800 Billion annual budget. Settle down vassal.

[@railasvuo]

@@EuroMaidanWasAnInsurrection yeah Finland gpd is 297,3 billion. USA is 23,32 trillion. And Finland defense budget is 6.1 billion euros in 2023

[@EuroMaidanWasAnInsurrection]

@@railasvuo Yeah. Seems like a bad trade. I can't change US policy tho im just one vote. Hopefully one of our Presidents removes us from NATO someday and lets Europe fend for itself.

[@railasvuo]

@@EuroMaidanWasAnInsurrection it's fine that you're not in nato. The last time Finnish conscripts beat the USA in an army exercise.

[@EuroMaidanWasAnInsurrection]

@@railasvuo wtf is that suppose to prove. lolololol. Wanna go tank for tank, ship for ship, fighter jet for fighter jet. nuke for nuke? Just enjoy your protection and don't get out of line. Basically know your role.

[@user-eu5vl1vo6d]

We must keep in mind, that russian invest billions to corrupt politicians in Germany, and not only in Germany Marie Le Pen in France as another example

[@danielkjm]

Yes, Usa Does that too. Who do you think put The Clown in power

[@polishherowitoldpilecki5521]

Europe most often has the least corrupt politicians in the war. We just don’t want to start WW3.

[@angelsackson]

& black rock have invested billions into Ukraine. Only Russia can help us save ourselves from our own rainbow diversity white geno side replacement.

[@Alexandra-zp3gr]

@@xmxmxmxm Soviet strategy wasn't to directly influence US society but rather to guide the extremes of US society, essentially pulling at the strings and accelerating pre existing cultural schisms.

[@W26731]

Or Thierry Baudet in the Netherlands

[@platypusjonesy2757]

Real easy to call for peace when it isn't your country being invaded. Bunch of hypocrites.

[@rinoratkovic2515]

You wont see this in mainstream media anywhere in europe

[@yozezebe816]

No you do in German television. Just watch the news or read a newspaper.

[@abduljaleelwilliamson679]

He said it makes sense being friends with Russia, but he said nothing about asking his friends to stop their escalation of war against a sovereign country!!!! And then he through America in the mix without any valid reason.

[@isunlloaoll]

because he's a typical tankie, their stance is with autocrats and the far right and will use whatever methods and narratives it takes to push their agenda.

[@shortclip4414]

Did you forgot about iraq Libya Afghanistan and Syria war's ? USA is just pushing just little bit more smart way Europe to go the same path as those countries .

[@kiprasmalakauskas7793]

@@shortclip4414 russia to fought in afghanistan they started it first libya the same thing syria the same thing as well russia took down those goverments and made instability.

[@ben5073]

I am sure Russia and the EU can be friends, but Tsar Putin and his state apparatus won't let that happen. Needs go the way of the Romanovs and Communists.

[@shortclip4414]

@@kiprasmalakauskas7793 do you really know about this properly man ? 😂😂😂 Just try to Google it first and than come to comment box to reply me . USA is the main villain here . They were facing economic crisis and they thought a war maybe a good way to sell their weapon to Europe . And it may would strengthen their economy little bit , than they just pushed Ukraine to be brave enough to mess with Putin to start the war. And really it worked . And stupid people like you still buying us led media's propaganda .

[@komradematt8025]

weird that they call for peace and an end to the war by insisting support for the one who started the war.

[@zlowieszczy_049]

they are just pro russian but saying it in the other way

[@TheSyndicate09]

The United States provoked and started this war. Russia reacted.

[@angeurbain6129]

The war started in 2014 with the Maidan coup.

[@alexunderros]

UA started it in 2014 when they started killing Russian ppl within their country.

[@TheGesox]

Its a proxy war between USA and Russia. This is not our ( german ) buissnes

[@blueodum]

This is one of the few just wars (from the Ukraine POV) since WW2. Everything must be done to support them. For Ukraine, this war is existential.

[@birgbirg111]

then go die for them, Im not sending my son there

[@ComradPravda]

Do you think Ukraine would start killing people in the Donbass if it knew that the people of Europe would not be able to see this and would not say it was bad? How do you think it happened that for eight years the European media were talking about anything but how the people of eastern Ukraine suffer because they do not agree with the Nazi and anti-Russian agenda of Ukraine? Tell me, if you lived next door to Cinderella's stepmother, to whose house Cinderella's grandfather would come and present her with a bill for Cinderella's work for many years and for the traces of her beatings on Cinderella's body, would it be very easy for you to look into his eyes? After all, you drank coffee with this stepmother every day and invited her to visit

[@o4tw382]

Defund Ukraine.

[@eriks4974]

lol the US and NATO war industrial complex thanks you for your service.

[@rgbforever4561]

​@@o4tw382and people like you receive social services.....

[@adetsang7501]

It's good to know that vice is doing a great job.. and showcasing the reality of what's happening around the world, but unfortunately we all are forgetting Myanmar, the worst is happening out there as compared to Ukraine, and yet still what is the world doing.

[@user-sj9xi4eg9u]

doubt that. towns and cities have been levelled in Ukraine, together with civilians.

[@Johno1992]

There ukraine videos haven't been as good since Simon orlovsky left for me his videos back in 2014 were excellent

[@DeafCherry]

Do you really think that? In which world do you live? Russians are using thermobaric ammo against civilians. How something can be worse than that?

[@rodrigosantosvaleriano1859]

I salute you for that comment. I'm just so done with people bringing up problems in other countries as if trying to make the concern for Ukraine look hypocritical (which sometimes it is, but it's still better than non-existing, isn't it?), good to see someone to bring the attention to another fair concern without attacking another.

[@shaunster2]

1:40 shows how naïve people can be when it comes to something that they don’t understand sure, everybody can be friends, but opposite opinions can make enemies

[@TheIfifi]

Wishful thinking bordering on hysteria. One nation is a clear aggressor, imperialist power attempting to wipe out another country in a genocidal war. The other is a young independent country attempting to forge their way into an international community. As Dante said, there is a special place in hell for those neutral in times of great moral crisis.

[@inf783]

russia actually tried to be friends... but the west lied to russia in the 2014 minsk agreement... so they had no choice but to fight and protect their borders (source:- angela markel herself)

[@unchartedNightmare]

You can't rationalize with irrational people. That's something a lot of people don't understand.

[@milanm403]

How it is posible that no German media repoted a story by Seymour Hersh the Pulitzer prize winner, the man with more journalistic awards than any other living journalist, writing about Germany, writing about German pipeline destroyed by the USA and Norway. Joe Biden ordered blowing up of a piece of vital energy infrastructure owned by his NATO ally Germany. This attack on German infrastructure will be with huge implications forever. Not a single news platforms in Germany reported a single word. Is this EU freedom of speech? Does Germany have any dignity?

[@milanm403]

Do you think that USA is a friend? Do YOU understand that????? Moron How it is posible that no German media repoted a story by Seymour Hersh the Pulitzer prize winner, the man with more journalistic awards than any other living journalist, writing about Germany, writing about German pipeline destroyed by the USA and Norway. Joe Biden ordered blowing up of a piece of vital energy infrastructure owned by his NATO ally Germany. This attack on German infrastructure will be with huge implications forever. Not a single news platforms in Germany reported a single word. Is this EU freedom of speech? Does Germany have any dignity?

[@Pfromm007]

As a German, I would like to ask all of these fine people to volunteer going to Ukraine and broker peace with the Russian army

[@tomaaron6187]

As a German I ask for all Germans to send their sons and daughters to Bakhmut. Suddenly not so much support as sending worthless tanks .

[@thewho5786]

Why not go fight in the war instead if you want the war to continue.

[@Marigo33]

А почему ты не на фронте?

[@dipthongthathongthongthong9691]

silly comment posing a clever

[@Mrac-zz8vh]

You should be on the front if you want this war continue at any cost. If you are not there..well you only paying for your ideas with other's blood.

[@x1101126]

No matter how hard you try, there is no right answer for everyone 😢

[@rodrigosantosvaleriano1859]

"It makes no sense to have a war enemy on the same continent, we should be friends together" Ukraine, who was literally invade by a neighbour and relies on the rest of the continent to defend itself: Am I a f***ing joke to you?

[@ozjaszgoldberg972]

As a Polish citizen, let me tell you something. I am not surprised by the sudden indignation of the German public at the protracted war. For many years, Russia has been the cause of rapid economic growth for Germany due to cheap energy resources. Until the end of the offensive near Kiev, the Germans believed that Russia would defeat Ukraine, but reality verified :) Now they have a huge problem because they are affected by the energy crisis, and a German citizen is losing money - this was not the case before. Ukraine is not fighting for a 5-year peace. They fight to destroy Russia's imperialist tendencies for decades. If we agree to peace on Russian terms - Putin will come back in the next 5 years with a better army, better tactics and even more people will die than now. Instead of protesting for a poor peace - let's support Ukraine in the fight against the terrorist. History will tell you the truth :) You don't argue with the Russians - you have to beat them up to start talking like people. Ukrainians understand it, as well as Poles.

[@NottinghamForest24]

Need to Report about your comment Its Clearly show abusements against Russian peoples.

[@bogdankhamelyuk3857]

@@NottinghamForest24 cry

[@artembiyun423]

@@NottinghamForest24 if you want absuments against russians peoples you should send me your home address

[@Ballondorwinner]

not gonna lie poland needs to be annexed by russia, tired of this fascist country lapdancing for american hegemony

[@NottinghamForest24]

@@bogdankhamelyuk3857 haha Ukr😂

[@EmilyisaMoonhead]

first guy said how they shouldnt help as it doesnt effect them directly , YET MY GUY DOESNT EFFECT YOU YET

[@dsdddsd4543we]

From someone living in the US, Ukraine is such a large territory. If Russia is able to take it, whose to say that Ukraine is their only ambition? I’m all for diplomacy, but Russia isn’t speaking the language of diplomacy.

[@Nancy-nc4sw]

I can guarantee you Russia has no intention of stopping with Ukraine. They have plans for a restored USSR. That's what Putin wants.

[@priyajoseph7108]

If ur diplomacy means trading territory, that's unjust

[@thewho5786]

I think the war started because of security demands and its not about taking lands.

[@eastdawn2471]

Just like the US. You might think they're talking the language of diplomacy and democracy, yet they harassed almost all of their neighbors in Latin America. You don't need to take over the land to own the country, just invade them, slaughter their citizen, topple their regime, and execute their president, US had done all of these things whole over the world, yet no one said a peep. Only pointing their hands to Russia or China or North Korea or Iran

[@keonliller_2287]

What is diplomacy? Telling Russia leave all captured territories including Crimea for nothing? Russia paid too much to leave with nothing

[@samwisegamgee2488]

In college we had a pacifist debate a non-pacifist. The scenario came up, " what do you do if North Korea invaded your city and told you you had to now speak Korean, worship Kim Jong-Un as a God, become slaves, only be exposed to government media, and isolate from the rest of the world? How do you begin 'talking' to someone with a gun in your face with those demands? Do you band up and fight or simply cower and submit to slavery and death?" Sometimes, you can't reason with tyrants. They will just kill and keep killing until someone bigger steps up to take them on. That is what is happening in Ukraine and that is why Europe stands in strong support.

[@jaarneal]

Username extremely relevant.

[@lordsupreme666]

Exactly what Ukraine was doing to Donbass until Putin stepped in 🤷🤷

[@nickstubbs3785]

That’s a little extreme, the Russian Federation is much free’er than that, it’s no longer the USSR, them days are gone, calm down chick

[@arktseytlin]

​@@lordsupreme666 bs

[@jaarneal]

@@nickstubbs3785 Eh I’d give some of the later Soviet leaders an edge over Putin any day. Putin is a remarkably authoritarian person. How many Soviet leaders had power for 20 years? A few, but certainly not Gorbachev and a few others….

[@vitorlopes2064]

Very good! Thank you

[@metamind411]

Being against supporting a country defending itself means siding with the aggressor not with peace, they just pretend to care about peace to feel better about themselves but what really moves them is selfishness and fear

[@Hollyrking268]

Dosent wanted to involved in war and choose to be neutral = siding with the aggressor, this is the mindset why War in Europe will never end

[@jakepistolero]

But standing with a n*zi usurper government is even worse

[@uaanalytics1337]

Ukraine started the conflict by bombing the people of Donbass after their fascist coup.

[@alexsmith-ob3lu]

It is more than just the military action happening on the ground. These days, the real enemy does not lie on the battle front, but rather behind you with all those bankers and weapons producers.

[@KaiserBlade]

It also means you support the slaughter of a country that is fighting the second largest military on earth.

[@volkerr.]

As a German 🇩🇪 I tell you more than 80% support Ukraine. They are against Russia. But many are afraid or foolish enough to believe in negotiations

[@akhandbharat1593]

Wrong

[@sguploads9601]

as german you can open last research about it and see than less than 60% now support Ukraine.

[@thewho5786]

How many million german citizens have you conducted a survey or a poll regarding that matter?

[@user-dc9oq2pr6v]

anyone can make up a random fact in thier head

[@rolan751]

You must be the Chancellor of germany 😂

[@bcdznxy-jr3hx]

In every fight .. one is winner , the other is loser. No such thing as neither wins.

[@romanpabianczyk8870]

I understand both sides, because I am torn by two wishes. First one is to feel safe, because war is behind my border and second I just need to address my own problems and I have them a lot and because of that war I lose a lot. I don't feel safe when I live in the Poland and like I said war is behind my border. It really distrupts my productivity every day. I often cannot concentrate on my problems and objectives.

[@MOHAXIST]

Well, if it's too hard for you!!! Then I can't imagine how Ukrainians endure it psychologically.

[@SnowTiger45]

I can appreciate and empathize with your psychological state. Russia has for a long time and continues now to "eye-ball" Poland as an excellent route to the Baltic Sea and puts them right within spitting range of Berlin. Not knowing if or when Russia might attack must be nerve wracking especially when it is a realistic possibility. And considering the shenanigans currently going on in Belarus such as the stock-piling and installation of Nuclear Weapons and recent increased militarization of Belarussians, it's easier to understand your state of mind.

[@SnowTiger45]

@@MOHAXIST I don't think he was taking anything away from Ukrainians. Poland is in a tight spot right now with all the goings-on between Russia, Belarus and Ukraine and even potentially Moldova so Poland's people, especially those in the west probably have good reasons to be unsettled. Not Knowing Your Fate especially when it's out of your hands, can and will have a deep psychological affect on just about anyone, my friend.

[@ua697]

"Peace for our time" 1938 revisited 😂

[@galreserve2322]

If Ukraine will fall all Western way of life will be destroyed.

[@ffff7164]

We should give Russia the Baltic states and Alaska.

[@meegz149]

I don’t remember the Wehrmacht getting mauled after a year of war and barely capturing territory. “Is eXacTlY lIke nevIllE chAmbErlAinl” Bush and the other ghouls who either masterminded or supported the invasion of Iraq evoked those that line multiple times.

[@galreserve2322]

@@ffff7164 Good morning,little russian

[@CaDzA818]

This is more like cold era not WW2 its similar to Korean war, where both sides supply weapon to their sponsored state, and propaganda is communist and anti-comunist, but with much more nuceluar weapons on line and in Europe...

[@friedrichjangeorgr5724]

As a German I am embarrassed. A lot of us know that the Ukraine is defending itself and deserves as much support as we are able to muster without escalating the conflict.

[@fixpontt]

_"deserves as much support as we are able to muster without escalating the conflict."_ this is an oxymoron

[@henrydrummond2257]

Lmao you probably think Iraq had WMDs too

[@outlawzzz]

@@henrydrummond2257 no but they have terrorists who have terrorized an still do in the Middle East are you alright with that?

[@syamjohari2252]

​@@outlawzzz Who created terrorists?who sold weapons to terrorists??. During Saddam Hussin's era there were not many terrorists. After Saddam's death there were more terrorists.who Sell weapons to they..If are not western Read history again stupid

[@henrydrummond2257]

@@outlawzzz you’re seriously defending the Iraq war after all these years?

[@TimothyBuerki]

There is a huge crisis in Germany to do with refugees and the social system which unfortunately is collapsing - insurance and pension especially. Hard to understand for anyone who isn’t living there.

[@ibiasoadajames7476]

Thank you, a Balanced reporting, Take all sides and let the viewers make sense of it.

[@sayammontesreyes2393]

lmfaooo, vice is clearly pro war, wtf are you talking about

[@ebbeb9827]

these "peace" protesters are delusional. Russia is an agressive imperialist state that has invaded its peaceful neighbour. To appease them by not supporting Ukraine right to defend itself would endanger Poland, Moldova, and the Baltic countries

[@milanm403]

People forget how important the Nazism is to Ukraine’s transformation into a battering ram against Russia, this proxy war never would have been possible without the Nazification of Ukrainian culture, both the more subtle kind like the rehabilitation of the Nazi collaborators OUN and Bandera as national heroes and the aggressive kind of literal Nazi armies

[@sergeyyevsikov9526]

Support nazzi in Ukraine?

[@54032Zepol]

​@@sergeyyevsikov9526 doesn't make it legal to Invade regardless of Ukrainian society

[@vero3707]

Peaceful neighbour been killing its own civilians for 9 years, you okay huh?

[@LANDBACKbyANYmeans]

NATO is a Colonial entity that is at war with American Natives.

[@dayvegee88]

Pretty hard to figure out which one of them has the only present brain cell at any given moment

[@yakub3962]

Yeah if only they were as smart as you are (genius, 200IQ)

[@AA1111AA]

As long as needed

[@DrowSorcerer]

Thinking that they can ask a genocidal dictator to make peace just by asking politely is some extraordinary level of magical thinking

[@ComradPravda]

Do you think Ukraine would start killing people in the Donbass if it knew that the people of Europe would not be able to see this and would not say it was bad? How do you think it happened that for eight years the European media were talking about anything but how the people of eastern Ukraine suffer because they do not agree with the Nazi and anti-Russian agenda of Ukraine? Tell me, if you lived next door to Cinderella's stepmother, to whose house Cinderella's grandfather would come and present her with a bill for Cinderella's work for many years and for the traces of her beatings on Cinderella's body, would it be very easy for you to look into his eyes? After all, you drank coffee with this stepmother every day and invited her to visit

[@raskolnikov1461]

The only dictator is biden

[@blackman4life]

The genocidal dictator can be found in Kiev. 14,000 innocent civilians in the Donbas have been victims of the neo-Nazis in Kiev since 2014.

[@den-zellmusic6309]

🤷🏽‍♂️These folks were the type of students, when they see a classmate threatened by a bully, they would tell the victim to give up his bread and just make it easier for everybody 😤. Where is the solution in that!?

[@asulcaj]

That's damn right

[@asulcaj]

They think Putin will stop in Ukraine

[@nucks-bi8ph]

Ukraine has the biggest bully in the history of the world backing them. Wake up and read literally any news or history about Ukraine and Russia over the past 10-20 years

[@duradura2163]

Sadly thats a big part of German society. If you lend a helping hand to someone, you end up in the same situation...

[@MorgulDemonVegeta]

Only the bully here HAS NUCLEAR WEAPONS you ignorant children! How about you think of that... How about you see some nuclear explosions on KZbin and then think how safe you REALLY are in your ideological side!

[@deerichardz]

I get that some people are against any war, but standing by and watching Ukraine get ragdolled by Russia is not an option.

[@DarlyaFaroeste]

Check out the Ukraine corruption scandals.

[@NottinghamForest24]

Ohh yeah Poor Angels Ukrainians Hahaha Those Ukrainians will cheat you one day.

[@deemen7132]

We sent them 120 Billion already, that's More than enough support

[@mavigogun]

@@DarlyaFaroeste

[@StillRooneyStarcraft]

Nobody is saying Ukrainians are angels. If someone gets mugged and shot in the street, should nobody help them because the victim is not perfect in every way? No.

[@raazchoudhary6743]

Nobody talks about Iraq and Syria it's called double standard journalism

[@RoryADTR]

Some wars have to be fought, this is one of them.

[@harukrentz435]

Said someone who sit on his comfy sofa.

[@birgbirg111]

Say whatever you want you couch warrior but my son is not going to fight for their state

[@sdt4907]

We will support until the end. All the best to Ukraine from Germany 🇩🇪❤️🇺🇦💪🇪🇺😎

[@polishherowitoldpilecki5521]

Nazi!

[@Marigo33]

До последнего уркаинца

[@maelstrom254]

Till the end… of Ukraine 🎉

[@stephenjenkins7971]

​@@maelstrom254 Until Russia collapses in on itself at this rate

[@lol-iv1ft]

​@@Marigo33 Русский потеряють 1 мил людей каждий год от 2000х...... Мдааа

[@anroiduser1222]

Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya Syria

[@zaneunderthesun]

Anyone with even 15 minutes of research can see that a ceasfire with Russia is no ceasfire at all

[@IXDEL.]

My heart is with you Ukraine big fan from Saudi Arabia🇸🇦🤍🤍🤍

[@dylantharusha]

What a Joke when Saudi going to stop killing innocent Yemen kids , 5 million Yemens starving to death... Saudi is worst than Russia

[@truthseekers864]

The swastika says it all.

[@badda_boom8017]

My heart is with you Yemen!

[@briton3851]

@@truthseekers864 yea cos there’s zero neo-Nazis in the Russian army🤣, and the US military.

[@polishherowitoldpilecki5521]

Allah supports Russia.

[@lucassherrin9910]

I understand the position of the politicians who want to stop supplying weapons only if Russia accepts a cease-fire, but in the end, that would be the best thing that could happen to Russia. The more time you give Russia, the stronger it will become. Putin has been able to get this far with a unprepared military that has been blacklisted from the global market. If you give him time to rebuild, train, and organize his army and is economy, he’ll be in a much stronger position to take Ukraine. The only way to stop a bully is to standup to him

[@skp8748]

He doesn't want all of Ukraine... That's a pipe dream. He wants to federalist it and ensure that eastern regions are not subject to the western part. It's all ethnic. Russian Ukrainians polish Ukrainans that's how he sees it.

[@JohnKobaRuddy]

Good grief you don't half repeat your TV. The best analysts do t say any of your boring word for word scripted shite.

[@EscapeFromRussia]

You are completely right. Putting this "on hold" only resolve in bigger tragedy

[@jakepistolero]

It would also be the best for ukraine. But you are willing to destroy ukraine, because you hate russia

[@jaylooppworld381]

How you do it 😂😂😂. You talk like an ignorant.

[@l1p0v]

I'm Russian (sadly) and those people disgust me. EU needs to help Ukraine, it's so stupid to even argue with that.

[@mishkalisten]

Nice to hear that an attach on Ukraine is an attach on all free world, and when Us attack counties that is a free world attack? So that’s ok, then về consistent, demand the judgement for the us generals, would you?

[@xenon91]

Deep respect for Tanya's mindset.

[@samarkhan24]

Well, now Ukranians can at least understand and know what it feels like when your country is attacked like what happened to Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and some African countries as well.

[@user-ut4qm7kl2s]

@@samarkhan24 oh seriously? Like seriously? Where else do you want to start the war so that « at least they understand »…. What a human hating position.

[@purplewine7362]

@@samarkhan24 numbskull

[@purplewine7362]

@@user-ut4qm7kl2s these absolute idiots think that because America invaded their country, the countries that receive American aid must also suffer. Huge amounts of brain rot.

[@shirdisaibabagermany]

It is somnambulistic to believe that peace can be saved without weapons. Time is an important factor that tends to be overlooked in a democracy.

[@franceleeparis37]

Eeeh? What you babbling about??

[@JoseLuis-rj9kq]

Europe is now like an old lady hitting the wind with her umbrella, watched closely by her american bodyguard.

[@Rhade15]

You let Russia invade Crimea and now want to repeat the same mistake???

[@kuanliu4253]

shame on these people, sitting in the comfort of democracy with the freedom someone else fought for them, for them to go around saying we should not stand against tyranny.

[@thewho5786]

I think it was russia who liberated them in world war 2. Western allies only came to germany when the soviet already defeated the germans.

[@357Maxim]

@@thewho5786 You might wanna open a history book...

[@pkolomiy]

@@thewho5786 by "liberated" you mean occupied? Have you ever heard of west and east Germany?

[@milanm403]

People forget how important the Nazism is to Ukraine’s transformation into a battering ram against Russia, this proxy war never would have been possible without the Nazification of Ukrainian culture, both the more subtle kind like the rehabilitation of the Nazi collaborators OUN and Bandera as national heroes and the aggressive kind of literal Nazi armies

[@34ccsn]

Ukraine is full of nazis and needs to be cleaned out. How would your relatives that fought against the nazis in ww2 feel about you arming and supporting them now?

[@lassehenriksen5611]

How long are we going to support Ukraine? As long as it takes. Best regards, Denmark. Slava Ukraine

[@nicolashadjinicolaou6921]

But if a world war 3 happens and they ask you join are you gonna go or you just gonna act like you dont care

[@Marigo33]

Пока ты на диване "поддерживаешь" гибнут люди😢

[@nicolashadjinicolaou6921]

@@Marigo33 oi pos ekatalava alla simfonw

[@ulyanak.1596]

@@Marigo33 you don't knoiw they might be donating

[@TheGesox]

Till the last Ukrainians

[@vm.999]

Cooperation among nations to prevent war is crucial for maintaining global peace and security, protecting human lives and rights, and fostering sustainable development and prosperity for all.

[@laolao1466]

Cooperation is impossible with primitive aggressive cannibals. Russians must be totally isolated from humans.

[@silverianjannvs5315]

NATO is the warmongers...

[@user-re6iy2pq5c]

you can forget this phrase forever. There is no such thing as "global peace". We entered an era of endless wars, partly because 15 years ago the world chose to ignore the beast and let him do whatever he wants in Georgia, and after 6 more years the world just ignore his second crime. Now every dictator in the world knows that nobody gives a damn. You wanted denuclearization? forget it, every smart nation will start developing nukes cause it is the only way to survive. wanted to spend less money on the military and more on the economy? forget it, we're gonna spend trillions for a better way to kill each other. Like in good old 17 century. All because we collectively didn`t give a damn for 20 years and let those fascists raise again. It`ll be fun i have no doubt

[@mrAltrevis]

What a BS, where is all about u write in Libya? Cooperated bombing and nothing more. Who helps Afghanistan? I know, is India and Pakistan give them food. Your govs help only with deaths and ruined houses.

[@praetoriancorps]

I agree with the sentiment of the anti-war demonstrators. I also agree with those who want to support a nation in their defence against a country that is trying to steamroll them out of existense. I believe those people consider themselves anti-war too.

[@user-ef5bl8ss3o]

You say about Lpr/Drp and the Russian-speaking people of Ukraine?

[@gabrich1991]

Pro tip if you want to make friends in your neighborhood maybe don't break their fence and occupie there yard and then complain that everyone are against you this goes for our friend that said Makes more sense for us to be friends together on the same continent

[@dmn4373]

punctuation, please

[@DMlTREl]

Maybe if you don't want troubles then don't provoke your neighbor

[@wagner977]

What if they abuse their children that are actually not theirs and you are realated to those children won't you like to rescue the children despite violence being involved?(the children are the separatist region that have being oppressed for 8years)

[@Vlad-fm3gk]

pro tip: if you're going to make agreements about nato expanding actually stick to them and dont try to base US troops on the black sea

[@dmn4373]

@@Vlad-fm3gk there was no actual agreement written down on paper, it was only verbal which is not how political agreements are done.

[@youtuber1650]

The international support for Vietnam was for 30 years.

[@kalleranta2260]

For the invader or the invaded?

[@adampgrm]

Vietnam did not have a nearpeer military and access to nuclear weapons.

[@starventure]

@@adampgrmVietnam fought the PLA to a stalemate. Not strong enough for you?

[@brianholloway6205]

So we didn’t learn our lessons from isolationism in the 20th century. Literally 100 years ago

[@patinsley]

This war seems pretty premeditated on all sides and all the countries shipping weapons are boosting their economies while also updating military equipment. War is a pointless waste.

[@sladewinberry8283]

I wonder if the guy who says they should ditch my country for Russia understands that a large portion of the US is ethnic German? That we would fight tooth and nail for Germany if it were ever threatened. I love Germany and Europe. That's why I support armind Ukraine.

[@NottinghamForest24]

Go with your Ukraine And Forgot St Petersburg Kaliningrad etc.... Deal!!°

[@erikt1713]

It is true that many people in the U.S. have ancestors from Germany, but this did not keep them from a substantial contribution to war efforts against Germany in WW2. It is possible that it kept Germany from the first strikes with nuclear weapons which were instead directed against the less ethnically similar Japanese. However, this may have been a question of timing.

[@thewho5786]

When will they give independence to north america? Remember the countless genocide europe commited to the natives of north america in order to replace the native population. White people are invasive specie of human being.

[@shsh-he5qg]

Slade what are you still doing in us ? Get your ass on the front line in ukraine buddy ….. no point talking rubbish on yt

[@coolboyproblem]

You talk as if you have so much influence in the decision making of the US military

[@mochithepooh5368]

There is no "anti-war" or "pacifist" stance in a defensive war. You either fight to defend your country or just let the invader roll over your country.

[@bondrewdthelordofdawn3744]

Be Poland or Belgium

[@Johno1992]

To the Russians it just some place there being sent but to the Ukrainians there fighting for there way of life there a brilliant quote like "the true solider fights not because he hates what's in front of him but what he loves is behind him" these people have made it clear they are gonna fight to the last man or round

[@ronaldomontero3624]

Vietnam

[@peckhamprincess7098]

​@@ronaldomontero3624 yes, the Vietnam war was a proxy war! Look how that turned out? The US doesn't learn anything from the past?

[@redragna3648]

They can only hold this viewpoint/opinion because they are not the country being invaded. They'd be singing a very different tune if it was them. Very hypocritical. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

[@utkphilobio]

The irony of the Germans scolding people for fighting a fascist tyrant...

[@blubbblubb.7867]

as a german that hurts me so deep in my hearti thought we learned from our history with all the work we do. we have the slogan "never ever war again" and now war kocks on our gate and ppl like yeah lets surrender and that not what i thought we should have learned from our history i thought to fight fascism is worth it and should be one of our highest goals

[@knightawz]

@@blubbblubb.7867 yeah but if you fight it then you agree to go to war and then that slogan is broken

[@blubbblubb.7867]

@@knightawz yeah to show that war doesn't make sense that you ain't can win anything from it

[@barbarapearce7323]

I can respect that these people want peace, but it is just stupidity to think Russia will just stop if they are asked nicely. It is even more unlikely for any negotiations to get anywhere if Russia is winning, which will be the case if Ukraine loses support. If they want an end to the war, they should be in favor of helping Ukraine as much as possible.

[@alexsmith-ob3lu]

So many of you commenters forget about the bankers and war profiteers. Sad.

[@araqweyr]

Russia can be stopped by asking nicely, or even without that, just by itself. But only after Putin loses his power... Or falls out of the window/has a heart attack. Nobody here wants this war except small pro-war minority.

[@user-yj7um6hv1d]

It is just stupidity to think Russia attacked a neighbor for no reason. There is a reason. If you fail to see the root cause, it means you are poorly educated and don't see the whole picture.

[@franceleeparis37]

Barbara Pearce..Thanks for that but your views don’t count ‘cos you are a woe_man… Ukraine started this war in 2014 and has been shelling the Russian minorities in the south ever since.. Zelensky , Britain US and EU divided the nation long before Putin decided to help the beleaguered Russian minority.. 😏

[@yaredeshetu8033]

At the end Ukraine will lose 😢

[@toasteddingus6925]

3:50 "absolutely yes we need MORE weapons. Like submarines." Submarines.... Huh.... That wouldn't have been my first pick for a land war, but hey! Someone get this man a submarine!hahaahahh

[@jailejeu]

Russia wants control of the black sea, they are prioritizing occupying territories controlling access to black sea (as well as territories with natural resources)

[@jwright6059]

Without weapons Ukraine would have fallen. The fact they have the freedom to say anything against it shows how good they have it

[@Gmtar]

Germany, the best way to shake off its difficult ww2 past is to provide the necessary support for Ukraine. What Russia has done to Ukraine is exactly the same as what Germany did to Poland, France, and practically all of continental Europe in 1939/40/41. Come down on the right side of this European war for the first time in your History.

[@hhbddjstar]

I was literally pointing this out to a friend of mine who support the idea that we should leave Russia alone. During the League of Nations era, lots of the big countries avoided sending help to Poland, Austria, Hungry, etc when they got taken over in fear that Germany might start another WW. One of the UK politicians even said they should be friends and maintain neutrality. Well...that didn't last long. Some people can't put themselves in others' shoes till it happened to them. And it's sad.

[@MarkLac]

That too is another problem is “the war guilt.” Yes no doubt what the Nazi’s did was criminal and will always be remembered. Most of the people alive in Germany today had no part in the events that transpired and no doubt they can’t forgive the past sins their nation and the people caused (and let’s be honest, majority of those involved were Germans but there were multiple collaborators involved as well which a good chunk of Europe is still embarrassed to talk about). Germany never has come to trust itself militarily for fear it may follow a similar path to what happened in the past. You can still have a military prowess and be strong, but never forgive or forget those who betrayed their oath to a nation and instead gave it to a person. This is no doubt their chance to right a wrong and show “we have learned our lesson and we’re better than before.”

[@angeurbain6129]

Dumb, dumd, dumb... can you tell me who blew-up the nordstrean pipeline and why... ?

[@erikt1713]

The best way to deal with the legacy of WW2 would be to excuse Germany from warfare for at least a full hundred years. It is too soon now. My grandfather died in Poland fighting the Red Army which included both Russians and Ukrainians. My grandmother then worked for reconciliation with the people of the Soviet Union in the decades after the war. It is disappointing that the Eastern Slavic people are now fighting among themselves after their hard-won victory, but it is really not up to us to interfere.

[@Concorde1059]

@@erikt1713 if Americans had said "it's disappointing the Germans are fighting their European brothers, but it's not really for us to interfere", well...