How Many Cores Do AMD FX Processors *Actually* Have?

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Greg Salazar

Greg Salazar

8 жыл бұрын

- It's been under heated debate for years: How many cores do AMD FX processors actually have? The content in this video gets very technical, so I invite you to pause and rewind segments that you many have subconsciously brushed-over. This was interesting to learn, and I hope you're able to pull something out of this as well.
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@Pedro-je6on
@Pedro-je6on 7 жыл бұрын
so bulldozer shares and sandy bridge is selfish
@ado3247
@ado3247 3 жыл бұрын
so bulldozer shares because they don't all have enough, but sandy bridge bridge satisfies everyone
@Keldrath
@Keldrath 7 жыл бұрын
"While I'm about to graduate with a degree in engineering, I am eons away from being able to explain these without thorough and extensive research beforehand." I'm not sure that ever really changes much.
@maxdpt
@maxdpt 6 жыл бұрын
This is honestly my favorite channel for crash courses. Like everything, EVERTHING is explained to the tiniest detail. PLUS you make it understandable with some visual effects. I truly love your content, continue like this!
@roller12coaster
@roller12coaster 8 жыл бұрын
Okay this channel grew to be one of the most interesting tech channels on KZbin! Keep up the good videos :)
@NayoofXx
@NayoofXx 8 жыл бұрын
Don't stop please i'm ENJOYING YOUR VIDEOS!!
@Simon11354
@Simon11354 4 жыл бұрын
Hello
@SicSemperBeats
@SicSemperBeats 8 жыл бұрын
lol he found an actual sandy bridge, I love this guy hehe
@samuelmartineau-lepine4360
@samuelmartineau-lepine4360 8 жыл бұрын
I've read about this a while back but you explained and simplified it very well! I think you should start a small serie where you would explain how the different parts of computers work (no need to go in depth, just the basics). As always great video they're very appreciated!
@GregSalazar
@GregSalazar 8 жыл бұрын
I think that's what I'll be doing with my new 'Crash Course' playlist. Thanks for watching!
@ThisIsReMarkable
@ThisIsReMarkable 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for learning with us indeed! This was a densely packed video and props for sorting it out, Greg.
@5coldplay
@5coldplay 8 жыл бұрын
Slowly becoming my favorite tech youtuber
@Simon11354
@Simon11354 4 жыл бұрын
Is he yet?
@mentalplayground
@mentalplayground 8 жыл бұрын
love it. please do more in-depth videos
@GregSalazar
@GregSalazar 8 жыл бұрын
Sure thing!
@danielslavin00
@danielslavin00 8 жыл бұрын
haven't seen a vidoe this clear and correct. Once again doing a great job!
@hp_carlosportugal2455
@hp_carlosportugal2455 7 жыл бұрын
Great video - Subed you while back, Straight to the point & knowledgeable , informative, Entertaining. Just wanted to Thank U.
@TheKimKyng
@TheKimKyng 8 жыл бұрын
may i know which field in engineering you took? Thanks :D
@tushardudeja
@tushardudeja 8 жыл бұрын
I'd really like to know that.
@prabalrh
@prabalrh 8 жыл бұрын
+ 1
@MaggotInfestedGod
@MaggotInfestedGod 8 жыл бұрын
Mechanical, isn't it obvious?
@prabalrh
@prabalrh 8 жыл бұрын
+Jnan Mckenzie my guess is computer or EE engineering
@imo098765
@imo098765 8 жыл бұрын
flashbacks of computer architecture nightmares
@83fact
@83fact 7 жыл бұрын
I'd personally love a long ass video where you at least attempt to explain the "architectural differences between the platforms" with loads of references/mini-lessons. It seems like you've got a knack for explaining things clearly so maybe you could challenge yourself and have a go at it thereby enlightening everyone much like how you did in this video. Idk how many views that kind of video would get considering it seems like there's a lot to be discussed but who knows it might make a great reference to anyone who KZbin searches "CPU architecture" (if that happens to be a wildly searched entry; I personally wouldn't know). Great content. Keep it up.
@skulcandykid
@skulcandykid 8 жыл бұрын
This was the best technical explanation I have yet heard and seen about the differences with both CPU brands!
@verward
@verward 8 жыл бұрын
This was really informational for me! keep up the good work
@dafo446
@dafo446 8 жыл бұрын
can you download more core? :DDD
@eli72481
@eli72481 8 жыл бұрын
lol nice
@anomynous8113
@anomynous8113 8 жыл бұрын
+Eli Hopf it actually works
@yazood101
@yazood101 8 жыл бұрын
I torrent my cores tbh
@brandon4306
@brandon4306 8 жыл бұрын
Yeah but you can't download more RAM and more cores you need to download more motherboard if you want to download RAM and Cores.
@TheMirror873
@TheMirror873 8 жыл бұрын
when hypertreading 4.0 Comes out, you van Split your cores into at least 100 logical cores
@TheNightquaker
@TheNightquaker 5 жыл бұрын
This is a great video, Greg. Excellent explanation. The 8-core FX performance, due to the shared FPU, is approximately 150% to 180% higher compared to a 4-core CPU with one FPU for each core. So the bottleneck is surprisingly not that severe.
@Protoking
@Protoking 10 ай бұрын
From all the research I’ve done I repeatedly hear it’s the front end providing the majority of the bottleneck on the FX design. I also hear for 128bit floating point workloads the FPU can function as two units and only on 256bit workloads do both units need to come together for one thread.
@jeffgrice7484
@jeffgrice7484 8 жыл бұрын
fantastic content, awesome delivery, clean and tasteful video editing. great channel, subbed
@GregSalazar
@GregSalazar 8 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard! Glad you enjoyed it.
@andrewpicard2476
@andrewpicard2476 8 жыл бұрын
Best explaination on KZbin, period. Well done, this kind of video will keep me checking your channel. I appreciate a thoughtful but not over the top breakdown of the True differences in hardware under all the specs they love do show off.
@GregSalazar
@GregSalazar 8 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@GayNeekOG
@GayNeekOG 8 жыл бұрын
Interesting.... It seems AMD over the years have made bad bets a lot with where technology is going... Either being entirely wrong(this CPU stuff) and too much thinking ahead(Async for example)....
@Superstark70LP
@Superstark70LP 8 жыл бұрын
But Async is finally paying off with APIs like Vulkan ^^
@williaamlarsson
@williaamlarsson 8 жыл бұрын
Async was a good inverstment though. Even old AMD cards are now slowly becoming more relevant again while Nvidia cards only get worse.
@ForgedTony
@ForgedTony 8 жыл бұрын
actually they havent made that many bad choices. amd was the first to get multicore cpus. maybe now its not as powerful but yeah they were the first. they were also the first to change to 64 bit processing, which broke through the limit of 4gb of ram. i think science studio talks about this too. yeah they prob made mistakes but we cant forget what they achieved.
@ForgedTony
@ForgedTony 8 жыл бұрын
actually they havent made that many bad choices. amd was the first to get multicore cpus. maybe now its not as powerful but yeah they were the first. they were also the first to change to 64 bit processing, which broke through the limit of 4gb of ram. i think science studio talks about this too. yeah they prob made mistakes but we cant forget what they achieved.
@Teixas666
@Teixas666 8 жыл бұрын
i wouldnt say they were bad bets, its morel iek they were banking on the tech to progress faster than what it did, we were on dx11 for way too long compared to other versions of Direct x(GCN was made in the hopes that somethnig like dx12 and vulkan would hit the masses sooner since tis dx11 performance was not too impressive) and ot this day most software devs still struggle to abuse true multithreading.
@CristalCody
@CristalCody 8 жыл бұрын
So basically AMD CPUs can't operate as they intended because OS adapted intel way of doings things as standard. So either AMD has to beg for support or do the same thing that intel does? Kinda feels unfair. Ofc if i understood everything correctly.
@wanahmadfarhan5758
@wanahmadfarhan5758 8 жыл бұрын
The same thing can also be said about their GPU with most games and application don't play as effective as Nvidia's GPU.
@2dozen22s
@2dozen22s 8 жыл бұрын
+Felix Gabe which really sucks bc of their parallel gpu processing ability, which dx12 (& Vulcan) finally got and bumped low level Amd gpus to top tier Nividia gpus in some games.
@eh1641
@eh1641 8 жыл бұрын
Actually back in the days of Phenom II, AMD used the true cores method that Intel has been using but changed that in the FX processors. So it's more like Intel and AMD adapted the OS.
@memoroxgamer3054
@memoroxgamer3054 8 жыл бұрын
Actually they did with windows 10. And if you compare Steamroller to haswell I3 with 4mb cache to an 860k. In multi thread, the X4 860k is somewhat faster depend on what its doing. The bulldozer modules are great for server and scientific computation but awful in daily gaming basis.
@worldhello1234
@worldhello1234 7 жыл бұрын
Devs aren't the world and they chose Intel over AMD, so your statement is nonesensical in any way possible.
@melodyofailingheart9400
@melodyofailingheart9400 8 жыл бұрын
Great video man. Keep it coming!!!
@soumiksen
@soumiksen 7 жыл бұрын
+Salazar Studio : Even before I am @0:07 into the video, I thank you for bringing up this topic as a video explaination.. Such a relief. Thank you so very much...
@particlestudiosio
@particlestudiosio 8 жыл бұрын
Just curious, what specific field engineering are you majoring in?
@kumarankush
@kumarankush 8 жыл бұрын
In Mechanical Engineering. I don't quite recollect where, but he did mention it somewhere in one of his video's comments.
@particlestudiosio
@particlestudiosio 8 жыл бұрын
cool
@bubblemanpie
@bubblemanpie 8 жыл бұрын
You're obsessed with s340's. I would judge but... I have one.
@thepaisleyproject
@thepaisleyproject 8 жыл бұрын
s340 is honestly not an expensive case
@thepaisleyproject
@thepaisleyproject 8 жыл бұрын
-T-X-M- where are you from?
@ilidenstrmrege987
@ilidenstrmrege987 8 жыл бұрын
corsair 780t 4 lyf
@GOPACKERSJT
@GOPACKERSJT 8 жыл бұрын
That's probably because for the money, they're really good cases.
@DJGuppy321
@DJGuppy321 8 жыл бұрын
+Papageorge hey you greece, pay your debts.
@AshleeSmithDJ
@AshleeSmithDJ 8 жыл бұрын
Dig the vibe of this channel, always wanted to do videos just talking about tech is not that easy. Keep up the good work !
@jeffreymoore4132
@jeffreymoore4132 8 жыл бұрын
This was an outstanding video. Thanks for putting it together! I love these types of videos.
@asm_nop
@asm_nop 8 жыл бұрын
So to oversimplify everything, the 2700k has 4 cores with 2 threads per core, but AMD has 4 pairs of conjoined cores. intel has 4 cores trying miserably to pretend they are 8 threads, and AMD has 8 cores that are kneecapped into performing more like 4 cores. so both perform more like they have 6 cores and 6 threads
@GregSalazar
@GregSalazar 8 жыл бұрын
LOL @ your second sentence.
@mtunayucer
@mtunayucer 8 жыл бұрын
logic.
@NOISYBOY0706
@NOISYBOY0706 8 жыл бұрын
Umm, okay but the Intel still performs better. Drops mic.
@Teixas666
@Teixas666 8 жыл бұрын
Hypertreading is a huge thnig when combined with an efficient pipeline, AMd's attempt ot emulate it fell short because of a design flaw on how data goes thru and the overall low ipc of bulldozer.
@Arobsite
@Arobsite 8 жыл бұрын
That doesn't change his point about hyperthreading. Intel cores perform better for many other reasons than they have hyperthreading instead of two physical cores performing a similar function to hyperthreading. In a perfect world, where both of the CPUs are using identical technology other than how they get to 8 threads, the AMD chip would be faster. Intel has several other thins going for it.
@Seralious
@Seralious 8 жыл бұрын
So how about the "8 core" processors found in the PS4/Xbox One? 2 logical per physical as well?
@Poctyk
@Poctyk 8 жыл бұрын
That's actually a very interesting question.
@Waschi
@Waschi 8 жыл бұрын
No, the ps4 actually uses something similar to a dual-socket design. So it has 2 actual 4core cpus
@FiNiTe_weeb
@FiNiTe_weeb 8 жыл бұрын
I think they are AMD, so 8 cores with one FPU per 2 cores.
@Waschi
@Waschi 8 жыл бұрын
Its indeed AMD, two of them though. So it might be 2x 4cores with shared FPUs but I'm not sure.
@ataksnajpera
@ataksnajpera 8 жыл бұрын
Consoles use 2x4 core jaguar. Each core has own fpu so 8 INT and 8 FPU unlike to AMD FX where you have 8 INT and 4 FPU.
@rowylpagas9527
@rowylpagas9527 8 жыл бұрын
I am learning bits by bits (maybe chunk by now) in this channel love your vids.
@dacaveman4372
@dacaveman4372 8 жыл бұрын
ok I've seen a good couple of your videos and honestly this is the one that got the sub from me. Very well put together and understandable. I like learning about what makes computer stuff tick and you show you know your stuff
@jester0075
@jester0075 8 жыл бұрын
Hey Science Studio, Do you think nanometer architecture will go down to a smaller dye like picometer? Like for gpu's and cpu's when the dye size goes to an incredibly small size like 14 nanometer and beyond? I asked another channel but i had no idea what they were talking about.
@GregSalazar
@GregSalazar 8 жыл бұрын
I'm sure by that time, we'll be using something other than transistors.
@fateunleashed9680
@fateunleashed9680 8 жыл бұрын
I second what Greg said, due to an electrons akin to bouncing around on transistors which is the cause of errors, so after 10nm you couldn't really get any smaller without changing the entire architecture relatively.. I wouldn't be surprised if intel didn't make some level of changes with their 10nm stuff, which is probably why they had to set it back a year..
@jester0075
@jester0075 8 жыл бұрын
+Dillon Scott oh that makes much more sense. thanks!
@Surms41
@Surms41 8 жыл бұрын
Also, traditional silicon is reaching near it's limits for it's density. As in, we're reaching a point where the pathways for CPU's needs to be near 1 atom wide to fit into a smaller area. So by the time we get to that point of CPU shrinking, which I'm guessing is about 4-6nm, we'll have to move on to another material to produce a smaller one. Such as titanium trisulfide, which is just over 1 atom thick.
@jester0075
@jester0075 8 жыл бұрын
+Surms41 there's a whole Era of new technologies being developed and discovered right now. high electrical currents for computers and electronics running through a membrane for one, li-fi, electronics made from coal. it's an exciting time.
@Gabriel-nb2gg
@Gabriel-nb2gg 8 жыл бұрын
Now I wanna say something I want the new CPUs from amd "Zen" to be not as expensive as intel's. I want AMD to set the standard again that you can play games at the max settings with a 100-120$ AMD cpu like in the old good days so I want them to perform well but I also want them to be cheap.Ik I want too much but AMD is our only chance to lower the prices on the CPU market cuz Intel is just shitting with the prices , I mean a 10 core CPU for 1,700$ that CPU is not good for gaming nor for video editing due to the Xeons and the i7 6700K is much better in gaming intel did just to show us that they can so AMD is our only chance and I swear if I'm gonna see stupid intel fanboys I'm gonna call them how I want and no I'm not an AMD fanboy I want what's the best for the customers.Thanks for reading and I hope you have a great day!
@davidliu9439
@davidliu9439 8 жыл бұрын
i do believe that and will announce a new design for their CPU soon. I also respect that will keep the price low to be compatible with Intel. so if you are not in hurry for your update, you could wait a while to see and even it doesn't, the price will continue drop month to month.
@dutchdykefinger
@dutchdykefinger 8 жыл бұрын
AMD has less name recognition than intel has, so they will have to be cheaper it's as simple as that from an investor's standpoint ;)
@JAN0L
@JAN0L 8 жыл бұрын
Even if these cheap CPUs could play current games at max setting soon new games would come out that would require even more. Max settings are always aimed at the most powerful PCs.
@Gabriel-nb2gg
@Gabriel-nb2gg 8 жыл бұрын
+Janol You clealry didn't get my point did you the Zen cpu will have less or kinda of the same single core/threaded performance like skylake but I want that to happen at a lower price my god.
@Gabriel-nb2gg
@Gabriel-nb2gg 8 жыл бұрын
+Janol No...so in 2004-2008 you could buy a 100$ CPU and just play games at the max setting with no problem but right now you can't because intel has the monopoly for the CPU market our last chance is AMD I like intel but AMD made the 64 bit computing and intel licensed it and the AMD64 computing you would still find it even in todays CPUs.
@RafikiBTW
@RafikiBTW 8 жыл бұрын
I ran into your channel just yesterday and I really like the content, subbed! The way you make your videos is interesting to watch.
@Pastechi
@Pastechi 8 жыл бұрын
Man watching your video's makes me feel like im in school, but this time actually "Learning" things here... Great video!
@Bry.89
@Bry.89 8 жыл бұрын
Is it true that in DX12, the FX series CPUs will see a massive increase in performance because of how games utilize the extra cores?
@MrKeikari
@MrKeikari 8 жыл бұрын
Not really. All low-end cpus benefit equally :)
@Bry.89
@Bry.89 8 жыл бұрын
MrKeikari That makes zero sense, since not all CPUs are created equal.
@MrKeikari
@MrKeikari 8 жыл бұрын
Bryan A Low-level APIs are.
@TechTested
@TechTested 8 жыл бұрын
In a test done on my channel we found that AMD still lags behind Intel significantly. Having said that, those tests were done on Ashes of the Singularity in its beta, which was buggy as all get out. I expect that intel is still ahead, but maybe not by the margins we saw in our test, so take it with a grain of salt.
@McKiwi2
@McKiwi2 8 жыл бұрын
Cool to see you guys looking into other channels too.
@nominatorchris5591
@nominatorchris5591 7 жыл бұрын
mehh amd still cheaper
@YvesFOLLET
@YvesFOLLET 8 жыл бұрын
I really love your videos too. Always clear and interestinng and well filmed and well commented and... :) Thumbs up (y)
@xuev.2129
@xuev.2129 7 жыл бұрын
Love the vids man, keep it up!!
@dahner6362625
@dahner6362625 8 жыл бұрын
Let's cut to the chase, when are the 1060 benchmarks comin?
@sever9268
@sever9268 8 жыл бұрын
19 of july
@GamingLaptop2126
@GamingLaptop2126 8 жыл бұрын
July 19th
@Apexer657
@Apexer657 8 жыл бұрын
7.19.2020
@ganjoog4493
@ganjoog4493 8 жыл бұрын
9/11/2001
@dahner6362625
@dahner6362625 8 жыл бұрын
Ganjo Og thanks
@aursi63
@aursi63 8 жыл бұрын
Hey Greg, I'm going to build a new pc soon and I was wandering what CPU should I get, the i5-6600k or the i7-6700k?
@GregSalazar
@GregSalazar 8 жыл бұрын
Already have a video covering this.
@PsyckoSama
@PsyckoSama 8 жыл бұрын
I'd wait for Zen...
@aidinmclaurin9867
@aidinmclaurin9867 8 жыл бұрын
The i5 6600k and a more expensive GPU is better than an i7 6700k and a less expensive GPU. The i5 6600k is the smart choice, but the i7 6700k will be more rewarding if you can make full use of it.
@EdmontonRails
@EdmontonRails 8 жыл бұрын
what if I told you AMD sucks ass. As soon as AMD puts that out Intel will beat it again with their RD budget
@RagedGamerHQ
@RagedGamerHQ 8 жыл бұрын
+Noah S. What if i told you no one gives a Fuck about your opinion. You will keep talking but not understand why no one is listening to you.
@n1tr0sys09
@n1tr0sys09 8 жыл бұрын
Omg what a great video man, one of the best explanations i have seen about this.
@souvikc734
@souvikc734 8 жыл бұрын
Great explanation !!!! Your channel is way different than others. Currently, other channel are filled with GPU benchmark videos
@Davidevgen
@Davidevgen 8 жыл бұрын
i always knew amd cpus vs intel cpus was like comparing an a American muscle vs a European super car.
@RarRapidGames
@RarRapidGames 6 жыл бұрын
ez answer EU
@HD7970
@HD7970 6 жыл бұрын
davidevgen kinda makes 0 sense because it depends on what kind of cars
@Bob-sf9ht
@Bob-sf9ht 5 жыл бұрын
your right but now amd is finally catching up
@joshb853
@joshb853 5 жыл бұрын
I’m from the future, in 2019 zen architecture changes the market.
@migueltrejo377
@migueltrejo377 8 жыл бұрын
Will there be budget cpu's for zen? ($120 and lower)
@KenrickBrown75
@KenrickBrown75 8 жыл бұрын
I assume so
@henrath
@henrath 8 жыл бұрын
yes, but it will probably come out later with the APUs.
@Pushing_Pixels
@Pushing_Pixels 8 жыл бұрын
Not until next year.
@smittywerbenjagermanjensen9802
@smittywerbenjagermanjensen9802 8 жыл бұрын
As far as we know they're only launching with 8 core models, surely lower end models will come out later though.
@Pushing_Pixels
@Pushing_Pixels 8 жыл бұрын
Ravens Ridge Zen based APUs should be out before the middle of next year.
@BoHorror
@BoHorror 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info, it really helped
@JoRosieQueen68
@JoRosieQueen68 8 жыл бұрын
This was my birthday,and you made a magnificent video that I like a lot and it was on one of the things I find the most interesting.
@mightylink65
@mightylink65 8 жыл бұрын
AMD processors aren't that bad though, Intel chips usually cost more then twice as much as AMD chips but you don't get twice as much performance... AMD chips are usually really close to Intel chips in benchmarks and when it really comes down to it Intel chips only yield a couple extra fps in games when paired with the same video cards making AMD chips much better in price to performance.
@shawsta
@shawsta 8 жыл бұрын
You really should do some research. The FX series isn't and will never come close to the performance of a 6700. You were probably looking at Tombraider type games where they thrive on GPU power. Go look at some Cities Skylines benchmarks or Witcher 3. They use more CPU power. You could also look at synthetic benchmarks.
@92Cope
@92Cope 8 жыл бұрын
The Fx series are the worst series ever of any amd cpu... Buldozer generaly.
@IanHitterdal
@IanHitterdal 8 жыл бұрын
+amakeleven On a workload that's multithreaded well enough and can properly take advantage of the architecture, absolutely. However, most software is not that. I'm wanting to see what Zen's like, after AMD reverts to the old style of architecture and not featuring that Ring -3 gaping security hole Intel's advertising as a feature, but single-threaded performance remains a bottleneck on the current batch of AMD chips. This can best be seen when trying to run things like more complex emulators, which can cause even my i5-6400 to stutter. (I know the 6400 isn't the best i5, but eh, I can BCLK overclock it later)
@IanHitterdal
@IanHitterdal 8 жыл бұрын
***** and? i say this as someone with a Skylake i5: a processor for people with less of a budget is not a bad thing.
@CrackedDylMil
@CrackedDylMil 8 жыл бұрын
$60 pentium vs $150 fx8350 and the pentium wins every time in gaming. If you want to win in multi threaded benchmarks too, then get a decent i3 for around $100.
@SidharthSatheesh
@SidharthSatheesh 8 жыл бұрын
FX price/performance is unbeatable.
@Dweller12Videos
@Dweller12Videos 8 жыл бұрын
4 years ago. Intel beats anything AMD has out now at any price point. Once Zen comes out, things may change.
@Alex-oz9eh
@Alex-oz9eh 8 жыл бұрын
rekd
@asdfrozen
@asdfrozen 8 жыл бұрын
+PC Master Race Really? You can get an 8 core AMD CPU for the same price as an i3.
@Dweller12Videos
@Dweller12Videos 8 жыл бұрын
And the i3 performs better. It's 4 years newer, has almost double the IPC, and uses new architecture that outperforms AMD on any level of performance. That's why AMD is a poor choice at this time, until Zen is released.
@longlester6384
@longlester6384 8 жыл бұрын
no they dont fx 8300 beat i3s and keep up with i5 and with 5.0 overcloacks even i7s
@Thimblewad
@Thimblewad 8 жыл бұрын
I found your channel not too long ago, subbed immediately, great content, great explanations, just wow! Keep it up man :)
@shriniwasrocks
@shriniwasrocks 7 жыл бұрын
amazing videos man! Subscribed
@PaulSpades
@PaulSpades 7 жыл бұрын
AMD fucked up with Bulldozer. The single dispatcher and FPU per 2 cores is a great design, the integer cores each have L1 and L2 caches and the L3 is shared - perfectly valid. The problem is that branch prediction misses takes a long time to recover from in the Bulldozer core design. They should've known that, my guess is that they did know. Cache misses are far more likely the cause for CPU slowdown than the shared FPU and dispatcher being a bottleneck. Most instructions shouldn't touch the FPU. Faster and larger L2 and L3 caches do wonders for the crap software being built nowadays, which is what Intel are doing(and refining the manufacturing process). Maybe we can get passed x86/x64 and OOP, this decade. Truly general parallel computing needs a whole new paradigm for software development, and CPU architecture should look more like modern GPUs. AMD are showing a path in that direction. AMD HSA (in their APUs and very probably implemented in Zen chips somehow) uses a single bus for both the CPU and GPU cores, thus exposing the GPU cores to the shared L3 cache. With Mantle and OpenCL, properly parallel instructions could be passed to the GPU cores and bypass the x64 cores entirely, but by using a similar API to x64.
@CMSonYT
@CMSonYT 7 жыл бұрын
I was going to give a thumbs up but then I remembered that you told me to thumbs down if I hate everything about life
@tmcprod
@tmcprod 8 жыл бұрын
Your video's are getting better and better keep them coming :D
@AFPMPU
@AFPMPU 8 жыл бұрын
well put! this should clear a lot of doubts. Kudos!
@WolfSilverLone
@WolfSilverLone 8 жыл бұрын
the other thing u forgot to mention. Not all software, games ect actually need or use the FPU any more which is another reason why amd did not do one fpu for a integer, in fact gpu do mathematical problems what better & faster then a fpu on a cpu can do, one of the main reason most dev offload that type of work to the gpu then cpu these days, example , BitCoin mining any one? AMD GPU kill at this unlike NV gpu do... but thats for a hole other discussion
@GregSalazar
@GregSalazar 8 жыл бұрын
Most programs in general benefit from 1 FPU per core, seeing as though most software is written and executed in binary. There are very few instances in which this is not the case.
@zosxavius
@zosxavius 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah FPU performance has been important for a very long time. Physics engines typically run on the processor because physX only runs on nvidia and it wasn't well adopted for instance. Quake was the first game that really started putting pressure on FPU performance and is the reason that many gamers found that their AMDs weren't up to snuff at the time. It wasn't until the pentium that they started to be integrated within the cpu by default across the whole line. Only the later 486DXs had FPUs onboard. But yeah, ever since quake all games have used floating point extensively.
@thelistener4101
@thelistener4101 6 жыл бұрын
use of 'then' should actually be the use of 'than'.... 'then' is a 'sequential' action... 'than' is a 'differential' action.. not difficult on when to use 'then' or 'than'... example: 24 is greater 'than' 23 after crossing the street, 'then' go right
@Super7382
@Super7382 8 жыл бұрын
is a phenom ii x6 better than a fx6300
@ihatelols
@ihatelols 8 жыл бұрын
They performed the same for me, lol. I have videos most likely up: youtube/tyrakyl fx 6300 is newer so technically better.
@Super7382
@Super7382 8 жыл бұрын
+Tha Man I have a phenom ii x6 1100t at. 3.6ghz with 3.9ghz turbo...how much can it bottleneck the 480
@woodtvnetwork
@woodtvnetwork 8 жыл бұрын
+akash sarkar he actually dis a video with a Rx 480 and a fx 6300 and it was a bit of a bottleneck
@ihatelols
@ihatelols 8 жыл бұрын
akash sarkar very very very much to be honest. Yes, seen his video also. Not worth it. Go intel or w8 for zen. (From experience: gta v at ultra with r9 280x 26-35 fps with x6 1075t @ 3.9ghz, with i7 3820 45-75 FullHD)
@Super7382
@Super7382 8 жыл бұрын
+Tha Man thanks...I will wait for zen...but I do hope it will perform better than a 6300
@kevinroscom
@kevinroscom 8 жыл бұрын
hit the nail right on the head. great job on this one!
@Elabastayoul
@Elabastayoul 6 жыл бұрын
This is the best video i have seen in this subject yet. WELL DONE
@keith_cancel
@keith_cancel 8 жыл бұрын
Most code uses integer arithmetic not floating point arithmetic. The ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) is in the integer cluster which there are 8 of. The FPU's (Floating Point Unit) are only more important if you doing lots of calculations with numbers like PI 3.14... or the SQRT(2) 1.44... Thus, this is a fair trade off for the majority of applications. The video is slightly misleading, and further a lot applications off load floating point intensive work to the GPU these days. ---Edit--- Side Note most of this channels videos are tech video's except the earliest ones -.0, but your called Science Studio.... Again misleading.
@jonson856
@jonson856 8 жыл бұрын
so basically, if the industry went amds way(e.g. software optimisation), then they would be much stronger than Intel's? are there actually programms that are amd optimised instead of Intel?
@CrackedDylMil
@CrackedDylMil 8 жыл бұрын
+TheOz1999 even though Intel gets higher numbers.
@System0Error0Message
@System0Error0Message 8 жыл бұрын
Dont forget that intel ivybridge and higher supports openCL on GPU and after testing intel's IGP performance it is far superior in openCL in a clock per clock, core per core bases compared to both nvidia and AMD GPUs for running openCL. This is because of the ratio of resources in a single GPU " core" which isnt a shader. A single GPU core has a bunch of shaders and other units so it is incorrect to say a HD 7970 has 2048 cores rather. Each GPU core has an equal number of texture units, shaders and so on. If you run the OpenCL info utility on the GPU it will tell you how many cores it actually has as compute units. This is essentially how instructions are divided for GPU compute so to take advantage of the many shaders you need an array dataset so a 2D array with 1 dimention number of cores and the other number of shaders per core will take full advantage of the units in a GPU. A shader is essentially a unit just like an FPU.
@MrIcepick1337
@MrIcepick1337 8 жыл бұрын
Multi-threading makes sense from a future point of view. Direct x 12 is allowing older AMD CPU's (8350) to at times double in performance. semiaccurate.com/2016/02/24/looking-at-directx-12-performance-in-ashes-of-the-singularity/
@memoroxgamer3054
@memoroxgamer3054 8 жыл бұрын
Yes BUT because AMD hasn't been improving the cache or the core itself other than ramping up clock speed over the decades(Except APU). Intel took their place.
@Utroz
@Utroz 7 жыл бұрын
Not all of them have the Igpu enabled and the HEDT and most Xeons do not have a igpu on die at all.
@anzeg-
@anzeg- 8 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see more technical videos like this. Keep it up
@developmenthellYT
@developmenthellYT 8 жыл бұрын
Congratz on getting your degree. Really interesting video. would love to see more like this.
@DahPigIsAround
@DahPigIsAround 7 жыл бұрын
Did everyone skip over the fact that the 8350 is clocked at 5.22 GHz?
@AvroBellow
@AvroBellow 7 жыл бұрын
This is the easiest question to answer. I'll use the FX-8350 as my example (since I own one). The simplest answer is that a CPU core is an Integer core. Before the introduction of the 486 CPU (pre-Pentium for all you kids out there), CPUs didn't have Floating-Point Units in them by default. You had to buy something called a "math co-processor" separately for floating-point operations.Therefore, an FX-8350 has eight CPU cores and four FPU cores. It's really not all that complicated.
@FindTheMasterpiece
@FindTheMasterpiece 8 жыл бұрын
Honest thanks for this video. Clear, fast, informative and a very good subject.
@GregSalazar
@GregSalazar 8 жыл бұрын
I appreciate it!
@blitzkriegh1h3
@blitzkriegh1h3 7 жыл бұрын
Love your content, keep it up!!
@bodasactra
@bodasactra 7 жыл бұрын
AMD Ryzen CPUs are out now in stores. They beat Intel top to bottom with as much as 40% faster and 45% cheaper. All of Intel's current CPUS will have to drop prices many hundreds to compete. The monopoly is over....HELL YES!!! Now we can get decent CPUs at realistic prices.
@piercecallahan6537
@piercecallahan6537 5 жыл бұрын
Yes... But now Intel 8th gen and 9th gen i3 and i5 feature quad and he's core. Intel is back in the game. Although with the hexa core risen 3 3000 series coming and 16 ryzen 9 amd is making another comeback against Intel and not to mention nividia with the rx 3080 coming
@SERGE_Tech
@SERGE_Tech 7 жыл бұрын
g4400 2 core can compete with the FX-8300 8 core series in single core and multi core processing. a 7 year old Phenom II x6 run almost the same speed as the fx-8300 and its a 6 core. but the craziest thing about all of this is this 60 dollar 2 core intel cpu does better in single core by almost double the speed and matches the multicore score of a 6 core amd cpu. my god what happened to amd.
@michaellindner5437
@michaellindner5437 6 жыл бұрын
The 8300 was released years before the g4400. Just because it's in the pentium line doesn't mean it's old. I know you're arguing that the fx 8300 has more cores, but 3 years of CPU advancements? Every 2006 cpu will DESTROY a 2003 cpu. Huge time difference, and cores/threads/clocks aren't everything my boy.
@skeletalforce9673
@skeletalforce9673 6 жыл бұрын
Stil have better gaming performance than a mac
@AdaaDK
@AdaaDK 6 жыл бұрын
They lost keller. Also one of the reasons why Ryzen is actually good. He was back with them to work on that. He enginered the original A64 chip that also beat Intels P4 back in the days, As long as keller does the designs/hard work, AMD can put out some quite awsome chips. Sadly a guy like keller doesnt hang on the trees, and are super expensive to have hanging around in your company for long. ;-)
@Nighterlev
@Nighterlev 5 жыл бұрын
+SERGE Your asking to me what happened to AMD within 3-4 years? What happened to Intel after less then 2 years? a i3-8350k = a i7-7700k in performance 100%.....8350k even over-clocks higher on average.....
@ARCAD3BLOOD
@ARCAD3BLOOD 5 жыл бұрын
It's not that crazy if you would know that amd fx's basically doesn't operate in "single core". You just simply can't use one of 8 cores. You can use one module, but not one core. And Modules are basically not supported, so performance are cut in half for fx.The same for multicore as it forced to use half of cores and only threads for other half. Fx have more potential performance than intel's at that time(2011/12), but intel's fan boy kills it. PS. And bassicaly you reffering 3 years old golf to 7 years old bmw. Doesn't make any sense.
@bacatube1
@bacatube1 8 жыл бұрын
Man, I hope you get much more subscribers, you deserve them. Great videos!
@pliskin124
@pliskin124 8 жыл бұрын
Great video! Other tech channels love to show intel and amd architecture diagrams but they never explain them!! Thank you for sharing this knowledge
@blcdrg
@blcdrg 8 жыл бұрын
Great video mate! As usual!
@CodakProvision
@CodakProvision 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining this process. Sometimes it's easy to get lost in all of the technology. Great Job!!
@atishchaudhary8641
@atishchaudhary8641 8 жыл бұрын
very nice and amazing video your videos are always informative and in depth
@GregSalazar
@GregSalazar 8 жыл бұрын
I appreciate it!
@refracted6349
@refracted6349 8 жыл бұрын
this was really helpful. thanks Greg
@GregSalazar
@GregSalazar 8 жыл бұрын
Thank *you*!
@Gr3mI1n
@Gr3mI1n 6 жыл бұрын
Very good Sir! pretty much my understanding. i wasnt aware of the shared FPU. sub'd
@Maarius98
@Maarius98 8 жыл бұрын
Man , your videos are gold , keep'em coming.
@GregSalazar
@GregSalazar 8 жыл бұрын
Yessir!
@runman1271
@runman1271 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I have built a computer for around 1o years and getting back into it has been interesting. Great video explaining the differences.
@jnrivers
@jnrivers 7 жыл бұрын
You have a very clear and understandable way of explaining something complex. Thanks.
@alexanderarias8519
@alexanderarias8519 8 жыл бұрын
This actually clarifies so much great video👍!
@Jor0716
@Jor0716 8 жыл бұрын
This really helped. Thank you!
@SmartJock69
@SmartJock69 8 жыл бұрын
Great vid! Good information and even better narration \m/
@GregSalazar
@GregSalazar 8 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@dhruvvhatkar6037
@dhruvvhatkar6037 8 жыл бұрын
amazing videos like always!
@FrostiDrinks
@FrostiDrinks 8 жыл бұрын
This was the exact video I was looking for just 2 days ago! Thanks!
@GregSalazar
@GregSalazar 8 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@Jeff5China
@Jeff5China 7 жыл бұрын
Love ya Guy!! Fantastic Videos!!
@SuperFredAZ
@SuperFredAZ 8 жыл бұрын
Very nice presentation, well balanced. Thanks.
@ZoomlessDude
@ZoomlessDude 8 жыл бұрын
I remember when I left you a comment that you did not explain the way AMD has the cores in a previous video. Glad you did your research now and were able to explain this thoroughly. Good job. :)
@rtausx
@rtausx 8 жыл бұрын
This channel is growing fast, nice
@niqbulseco3338
@niqbulseco3338 8 жыл бұрын
Dang! Keep em up Greg! Awesome! :D
@buzga1987
@buzga1987 7 жыл бұрын
Great video and great explanation. One non topic related question, what is that soundbar/speaker under your screen?
@bruuhhh4202
@bruuhhh4202 8 жыл бұрын
At last!!!!!..Was looking for video like this
@asifahmed2093
@asifahmed2093 7 жыл бұрын
Dude you are the best man.. keep up the good works :)
@theblackmamba190ify
@theblackmamba190ify 6 жыл бұрын
I like theses explanation videos, I really learn a lot from them.
@ffsolutions9442
@ffsolutions9442 7 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, thank you for making me just a bit smarter today than I was yesterday. :)
@AK-IT
@AK-IT 8 жыл бұрын
thanks, really wanted to know this for a while
@rsupp
@rsupp 8 жыл бұрын
WOW, You make awesome videos. I am blown away with this detail. You do a very good job. Keep it up. WOW (again and again.....)
@adampoper1475
@adampoper1475 8 жыл бұрын
This is a great video. I love your channel
@HeinekenLasse
@HeinekenLasse 8 жыл бұрын
Great explanation sir, thanks
@emptypocketsgarage9378
@emptypocketsgarage9378 8 жыл бұрын
You have the best tech video's I've found and explain it clearly, albeit a little too fast. I own both a FX 8300 and a Phenom II X 6. With both at 3.3GHz, the Phenom beats the FX in rendering using Blender with the BMW27 benchmark by almost 3 minutes. I've found also that using my Hauppauge HD-PVR 2 capture card at 1080P the Phenom runs at 10% cpu load while the FX runs at 45% load. This is using the exact same system with just a CPU swap.
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