Why The FIRST 5GHz CPU Almost Failed - AMD FX-9590 Revisited!

The AMD FX-9590 was the world's first widely available 5GHz enthusiast CPU yet it was launched at a bad time when the Piledriver architecture struggled to compete with Intel. But how well does it compete today? Let's take another look at this legendary processor and overclock it on the ASUS 990FX Sabertooth. :)
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[@HardwareCanucks]

Let's play a game. Count Mike's Claps. Closest person gets our admiration and a cookie. 🍪🍪 He laughed his butt off watching this after the fact. 🤣🤣

[@interlace84]

👏👏🤣

[@michaelilie1629]

My guess: 20

[@fredsas12]

My HTPC in the living room is a FX-9590 with a MSI Aero OC GTX-1080 running on a 65 inch 4K TV. Runs all my emulator games like CEMU, Dolphin and Mame32 at 2X full speed. E.g: Breath of the Wild run at 60FPS@1440p when unlocked. My main gaming system is an 1800X with a faster OC GTX-1080. Both of them have Corsair PSUs with USB Digital Links which can display the input and output wattage of the PSU in real time. Power usage is on average is about 40 to 50 watts more than the 1800X or about 280 watts on average under typical gaming load, with both systems on high performance power plan, though the FX-9590 CPU is fine tuned and undervolted with MSRtweak. Both systems game easily at 1440p@ minimum 60FPS with anything thrown at it

[@shreyasaaron5438]

@@fredsas12 dang

[@mankindanddestiny7798]

lets play a game on how to find the beaver

[@Gargantura]

Me: *install fx9590 with r9 fury x to pc *Electric bill has left the chat *Heater has left the chat *House fire has enter the chat

[@Reyfox1]

sort like the high core Intel's now.... nice and warm! This AMD CPU was a matter of advertising. It certainly wasn't a good CPU like the rest of the Bulldozer architect.

[@evo7836]

@@Reyfox1 Bulldozer wasn't a good architecture.

[@HowManySmall]

@@evo7836 He didn't say that, he said the rest of the CPUs weren't good either.

[@Sandro-gz3or]

R9 295X2 bro

[@MrBlajblaaj]

This was my exact specs 2015 to last black friday...

[@Bchan]

The 9590 was the first CPU I ever had in a custom build... Winter was cosy. Summer was literal hell.

[@bobhumid]

:D

[@mjsvitek]

I miss my 9590 😕 It was the best heater I ever owned.

[@thealien_ali3382]

Are u wet yet

[@judasone83]

Yeah she was not cool LoL

[@NicuplusWILD]

Milan Svitek true, when it was cold I didn’t even bother to turn up the heat. Just boot PC and let it idle. Or run a game for summer time temperatures.

[@AnonyMous-gt8vq]

Just get the 9900k, just as good.

[@leomonz]

You wouldnt complain about it if you live up closer to the YellowKnife or one of those area. It probably can melt your drive way for you

[@tangentarc7477]

I'm still using this CPU and motherboard, to develop a game in UE4. I can't describe how much I look forward to my next upgrade. The temperature in here is tropical, regardless of weather. Plasma arcs run cooler than the FX. I won't miss it.

[@aletius]

I'm in the same boat as you hahaha, this thing is as good as a room heater

[@tangentarc7477]

@@aletius I think we may be partially to blame for climate change.

[@aletius]

@@tangentarc7477 Probably lost a few icebergs due to me leaving this thing running all the time too hahaha

[@robertt9342]

Water Malone . There are plenty of newer CPUs that can output that kind of heat too.

[@hashtaglobotomy2655]

My ud3 r5 is a trooper.. I've roached 8 psus overclocking this beast over 5.18ghz. It can knock a buzzard off a brick shit house at a hundred paces with the amount of stank it can make a psu put off. Finally went to an 1800watt mining psu.. I can get it up 5.34 stable for around 40 minutes, but if I had to guess I bet its sucking 700 watts when you fire up the initial bench.. This mutha is a straight up beast.

[@nintendowiids12]

I still wished we could've seen a "FX 8550" (Steamroller) & "FX 8750" (Excavator)

[@wujekcientariposta]

The strenght of the pile driver was you could oc almost every damn one of them to 5ghz with sufficient cooling which made them awesome value options, While the revisions were faster I wonder how they overclocked.

[@fabiusmaximuscunctator7390]

Would have made the market less Intel dominant I guess. Besides that it would have been really interesting to see if the Ryzen progress scheme had worked back then like it does today.

[@lkslokinhow]

Excavator was much better. I guess AMD did not have enough resources and choose to focus on the new architecture (zen) rather than invest in a soon to be dead architecture.

[@UnrealOG137]

Amd realized quite quickly that the architecture was a failure, hence no desktop steamroller or excavator chips.

[@StaelTek]

@@wujekcientariposta my Athlon 880K (Godavari aka Steamroller i believe) can do 4.6 GHz on stock 1.48V vcore. So that's in line with my FX 6300 and FX 4100 can do at those voltages. I still think 5 GHz may be tough to reach, but those FM2 series of motherboards were usually cheap and kinda crap to overclock on.

[@keiming2277]

AMD Ryzen be like : I will take it from here

[@AshenTechDotCom]

1600 vs a decent 8350 or 8370 that you can lock at 4.6-4.7 24/7 and still get lower full load temps then the 9k chips... i have tested myself.. unless its the 1600 thats really a 2600series chip, the fx line in many workloads, is just faster or not enough slower its worth mention, if games are the only concern, yeah thats true... but a few friends are waiting till this situation settles, and supply chains are back up and running before moving past decently overclocked fx chips... mind you, i have also seen sample shit 5ghz at 1.46v using high llc and offset mode, and, even seen that build then re-configured(even using the command line tools) for 5ghz base close with a turbo to 5.5ghz.... at 1.48v....and....my buddy got it working on his 990fx ud9.....a board i cannot even find any good info about online, the bios he has are updated by a gigabyte employee who just emails them on request im told, anyway, the boards even got water cooling on the chipsets... and hes got it all working in a quad pumped rig that uses a thick 120 rad with push/pull high static pressure fans just for the chipset/vrm/etc, the cpu has a 280mm thick ran with 4 high static pressure fans, its running 2x1070mini cards at the moment....mostly because he had 2 cards when his wifes 3k Extreme Edition system caught fire...(board took the cpu and ram and videocards when it went... maker actually paid to ship the whole system to them and replaced it...they wanted to try and figure out why the board burst into flames...it wasnt the first time from the way they acted.....) anyway, honestly... the FX line, had their place, and im greatful for them at times... they kept many friends of mine able to game during dark times... still are in more then a few cases... if amd had done some actual hand tuning to the FX design before putting it on the market, fixxing the cache latancy and overall speed issues.. it could have done far better at keeping up......(i have seen and used a few never released products that where in effect, 2-4 apu's on a single socket and, it wasnt perfect by any means...the fact it came much closer to intels 4c8t chips of the day... always has made me wish they had put out chips based on the last APU revision, but 8c8t for am3+, even if it had simply been something like a 3550 and 8750 models that just gave us the newer cores, at the most reasonable clocks they could manage...no, not perfect, but, something to help those who have remained loyal, and, those who cannot yet swing a full platform upgrade... )

[@Johnson0717]

@@AshenTechDotCom Just stop. The difference between FX and Ryzen is huge. Example: FX 8320E 4,2Ghz oc (8 core) : 656 multicore score in Cinebench R15 Ryzen 5 1600 (6 core) stock: 1150 multicore score Ryzen 7 2700 4 GHz OC (8 core) : 1835 I had the 8320E and it was pure bullshit. After I got my i5 4690k I realised how bad they actually were. Got a Ryzen 7 2700 now None of your 8350's will beat a 1600.

[@Edario]

@@AshenTechDotCom tell that to R9 5950x lol

[@poi159]

My FX-9590 is still running fine as my backup computer. I upgraded to a Zen2 when the FX-9590 was starting to slow down. I am surprised you guys aren't using a TUF Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 motherboard. I had issues using the first generation of the TUF Sabertooth.

[@chriscalderon1337]

Poi159 TUF 990FX R2.0 works like a dream. I have one with 32GB 1866 ECC RAM, and an FX 8350 running at 4.5GHz with 2400MHz HT and NB. Cooled by NH-D15.

[@ReaganReese]

Yeah! My board was a beast. Now it’s being used as my organ computer!

[@ReaganReese]

One of the most stable systems Ive ever owned.

[@ryandemmons8190]

Honestly the R3.0 was infinitely better for me when my 2.0 died. It also had an M.2 slot on it which was awesome with the 9590.

[@kevgardner3064]

im running a 8320 at 4.8ghz for years but my issue with that board is the onboard sound doesnt work and thats lastest bios

[@epicwaffles449]

I still have my old FX-9590, I upgraded to the R5 3600 a few months back though.

[@jako1234567890jako]

Are you me? I did the exact same last month. It's incredible how much of upgrade it is. I managed to get a FX9590 for super cheap when they first came out from a local computer shop that was closing down. I had been using it for near enough 7 years. Definitely the cpu I have the fondest memories with

[@epicwaffles449]

@@jako1234567890jako It always overclocked great, but was a PAIN in the ass to cool :)

[@jako1234567890jako]

@@epicwaffles449 highest stable overclock I ever managed was 5.1 all core, but I'm not very good at overclocking and thermals were getting close to being an issue

[@Frostcicle]

Yeah I’m probably upgrading to the r7 3800x from that

[@NYCamper62]

Same here. I dig the r5 3600 but some days I miss the bragging rights. Still have my 9590 just no mb atm with enough nads to deal with it. A replacement mb for it is to much coin.

[@zoomzabba452]

Still (stuck) on a FX-8350. 4.7GHz all-core on air. Was going to build a SFF PC with a 1600AF, then Corona came knocking.

[@barthoharmse112]

You can buy my 1500x for dirt if you like

[@TheRealCatof]

Online delivery?

[@zoomzabba452]

@@TheRealCatof more like the fiscal impact of building a new computer. Income got shakey

[@THEFIRE360]

Lol sounds like an exactly like the situation Intel is finding themselves in now Edit: lol I make a joke about how Intel is like AMD back then and all of a sudden I became an AMD shill. My 8600k begs to differ

[@Carrot_Handler]

How? The FX 9590 chip with 8 Cores was getting beaten by a i5 4690 with 4 cores. Today Intel chips with the same core count like the 8700K is going toe to toe with the 3600X with the same core/thread count and the same goes for the 9900K vs 3700X same core/thread count... Not even remotely close to how far behind the AMD chips where in those days. Today Intel and AMD are both on par with each other when it comes to core for core performance. Intel is only loosing because of their pricing.

[@Luke-pp2lw]

@@Carrot_Handler I think he means that both Intel now and AMD back then use the same strategy of increasing clockspeed at the cost of power consumption and tempature

[@mkesl]

@@Carrot_Handler And the fact they are stuck on 10nm and are refreshing the same skylake processors for 5 years. Intel's pricing wasn't a problem because AMD had nothing to offer, therefore monopolizing the market since 2008, first core2 quad and i7 chips.

[@_yuri]

@J M your house must be fireproof.

[@mscd9676]

@J M idle temps don't mean shit, 9900K is a refresh of a refresh of a refresh and eats your electrical bill even compared to the 2x more powerful 3950x

[@torentmonkey]

Rocked a FX- 8350 @5GHZ 1.48v since launch to December 2019. Man, the memories I got with this and how cheap it was... for my loads, it was perfect and didnt need an upgrade but wanted to switch to itx. And I was using the Sabertooh 990fx 2.0 as well. It goes to my parents now working as it was 6 years ago.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Which motherboard??? Would love to know!

[@torentmonkey]

@@HardwareCanucks The one in the video. Asus Sabertooth 990FX 2.0 with pcie 3.0 :)

[@torentmonkey]

small mention, was on a custom loop 360 copper rad and phobia UC2LT - never seen more than 45 delta over ambient at those speeds but got the room quite warm :))

[@slim420MM]

I won the lottery I had a 8320 that ran at 5ghz for 4 years 24/7.

[@Blazer.383]

@@slim420MM Thats good. i managed to get a 8120 to 5GHz NOT stable, had to use safe mode in windows 7 to get it to boot.

[@Tokeegee]

I remember reading the articles about this CPU and getting really upset. I had just bought a pre-built with an FX 8120 in it, but I really had no idea what I was doing back then, and I was happy to have a computer that could run games at all.

[@dominicfastbender4029]

It would have been a fun trip to go through all those generations of hardware. My personal all time favourite.. x58. Loved that platform.

[@jasongooden917]

one of my favorite chip for its time was the P3 700. i had a dual CPU setup overclocked to 933 each. Basically dual core 1.8 GHZ which back them was a beast. out of everyone a knew I was the only one that could rum Q3A Q3DM19 perfectly at full res.

[@MrDutch1e]

X58 was the funnest platform ever. Taking i7 D0 chips and clocking them from 2.66 to 4.0-4.4ghz was massive. Had a few of them. had a 930 at 4.2 with tri sli gtx 470s.

[@Devo_gx]

@@jasongooden917 Oh man.... ABit BP6 Motherboard FTW! I'm guessing that's what you used for those dual Penium III CPUs.

[@hardrivethrutown]

I recently got a X58 board and an i7 950 Yes X58 is pretty damn cool

[@ZAR556]

Intel now is like AMD back then AMD back then still using old node and pushing clockspeed regardless of heat just to stay competitive, but still drop prices in the end 15:30 lifecycle

[@Devo_gx]

It's a cycle that tends to repeat itself. The Pentium 4 was pushed beyond its limits as well (Prescott, anyone?)

[@JABelms]

But the 9590 WASN'T COMPETITIVE, so how could it stay competitive?. It isn't competitive if it only matches an i5 3570 in gaming back then sometimes even the i3 and that is for $300 USD 200+W 8350 rebrand. Ryzen has a 7nm advantage but none of their 8 core CPUs have beaten a 14nm 9900K and using core count+MCM as a band aid for their shortcomings. Both situations are not similar at all

[@shadowtheimpure]

@@JABelms Wow, you sound like an Intel zealot. I can see the benefit of both sides of the coin, Intel has slightly superior single core performance which is great for gaming. AMD is the king, currently, of multi-core which is needed for doing real work on a PC.

[@PowerIsNr1]

@@shadowtheimpure Wow, you sound like an AMD zealot. Zen2 still trades blows with Intel, even in MT usage. Infinity Fabric remains a huge bottleneck; compare memory access of ~70ns (cross-CCX) to Intel's ~35ns -- which, believe it or not, is relevant in heavily multi-threaded workloads. Benchmarks won't show the difference since they don't work with large amounts of data -- which means that most memory access is to the CPU Cache, of which AMD threw ballsy amounts to compensate. Same with eg. 3990X - it's a dead product due to its memory limitations. Zen3 is announced with some interconnect goodies, let's hope it improves the bottlenecks. ~Fellow AMD user, with multiple builds running Zen2 and AMD GPUs (that I should've returned due to the awesome drivers)

[@EdU-od5ec]

@@PowerIsNr1 Ladies calm your tits. Come back in 2 years time for the whole i9 9900k vs 3950x gaming performance comparison. the 7700k is already looking like a poor choice against Zen in newer titles.

[@JackOfAllBladesCh]

I remember the FX-9590, I won it in a sweepstakes from AMD. I paired it with a Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate 360mm AiO, just retired that AiO a couple weeks ago in place for the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360mm in my current 3800X based build.

[@phathead4593]

I personally love hardware from around 2010-2015, there's tonnes of quality and potential out there, and you can sometimes find absolute bargains

[@mohamadyusoff9091]

3rd gen i series laptops in that era are the best. Solidly built, has usb 3, removable batteries, some has msata, expresscard slot, and probably runs hackintosh

[@urnoob5528]

fm2 systems are dirt cheap while perfectly sufficient for most things except intense computing and AAA games

[@nfohkens20]

Hardware Canucks: 7:15 "I WAS using this for a long, long time" Me: ... still using this motherboard to run the FX 8350 @5GHz Also me: Has a fire extinguisher beside my computer at all times.

[@HardwareCanucks]

LOL! Its so true isn't it? Those old 32nm CPUs were fire breathers.

[@zoomzabba452]

Same board and CPU. I'm game stable @4.7GHz on air, but compute has me turned down to 4.6GHz still at 1.440V. How are you cooled and core voltage?

[@nuongwx]

U14S, has to undervolt/clock down to 2.7GHz VRMs are screaming constantly though

[@Totenglocke42]

Yeah, until I upgraded to a Ryzen 3800x in the fall, I was using an FX-8370 running at 5 GHz as well.

[@westsnest2273]

I love these PC hardware retrospective type of videos. Very entertaining and informative. Thanks!

[@balcobulls]

The entire FX line has left us with the absolute best OC learning experience. A friend comes over and asks, "How do you overclock?" For the foreseeable future what other processor do you go to? I mean its okay to "kill" these processors but it gives you so much flexibility and honestly plenty of "forgiveness" if you accidentally toss a bit more voltage than you wanted to at it. At least FX provided us that!

[@WouterVerbruggen]

Had one of these. Swapped it for an FX-8350 which did the full 5GHz on all cores on a lower voltage than the FX-9590 on it's 4.7 all core boost

[@HoloScope]

I was only like 12 when all this stuff was released and I knew nothing about computers or anything and yet I feel nostalgic watching this.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Wait till you see what else we've dug up. :)

[@zoomzabba452]

The Japanese word for this is natsukashii (なつかしい). It's a feeling of nostalgia, even if it's something you haven't experienced in your own past.

[@Patttiat]

@@HardwareCanucks shut up

[@charlesnix8314]

This trip to the past was so cool! Please do more!

[@Tefan13]

Hi guys, love your channel!! I'm from Brazil and my first CPU, that I bought were a I7 2600k, later make a update to my current CPU, the I7 3770k. My little brother bought my old I7 2600k, by the same time my father was planning to buy a new budget PC and by that time the FX-8350 were super cheap and he uses up to day. Here in Brazil, PC parts are getting expensive ever year that passes. So I watch you guys and dream with my next PC upgrade.

[@Cid_1]

I used to love my FX 8350,great stability and a good overclocker. I thought the 9590 was basically just a factory overclocked 8350

[@zoomzabba452]

Binned and OC'd. I specifically picked up a 8350 to replace my 8120 because they OC decently especially in a used price-to-performance.

[@itsdatboi340]

Been running a 9590 at stock speeds since 2015, picked this thing up for 200 bucks without a cooler on newegg...this thing still cranks 70+ frames in all my games with a gtx 970 (mid to high settings). Had to replace my motherboard once due to a thermal overload on the VRM's but it's been chugging along ever since. Team RED

[@ABaumstumpf]

"Team RED" - yeah, you have shown successfully to be a fanboy. If you actually use your PC then having bought any Intel-CPU in the meantime would not only have improved performance dramatically, but also saved you money. That thing was garbage when it was released and its only use still is to be a room-heater. Get a good CPU now - ryzen 1600AF is good value right now.

[@GogitoGTHD]

@@ABaumstumpf yikes toxic

[@ABaumstumpf]

@@GogitoGTHD For telling him the truth?

[@HD-dp1pr]

@@ABaumstumpf if he was team red wouldn't he have paired it with a Fury or 390 instead of a 970

[@BrandonLy3993]

@@ABaumstumpf His system still works fine with 70+ FPS. Why would he need to upgrade if the system is still meeting his needs? I alternate builds between Intel and AMD... not sure why, I just like a change every time. My 9590 build is still going strong and its lasted so long without needing many upgrades that I may stick to AMD again for the next build just for the heck of it. I personally don't upgrade until the equipment I have stops meeting the needs I require. This reply is coming from an early 2008 Macbook Pro... it still meets my needs for work and non-gaming purposes. Talk about "classic"

[@mrdr9534]

@Hardware Canucks Thanks for a very enjoyable video, You guys need to do more of these, and also get Mike some more "air time" :) Best regards.

[@MereMortalsAttempt]

Is it ironic that I'm watching this video on my OC 9590? I'm using a Sabertooth 990fx gen 3 R2.0 with an NVME drive in a pcie 3.0 slot. Getting 3200mb/s HD transfer rate, 5ghz cpu OC using an Noctua D14 air cooler and idling at 34c. Still playing latest games with good framerates :D. Kinda fun pushing old tech. great video!

[@PureRushXevus]

I remember buying the 8350 black edition, since my mindset was "well it's much cheaper than intel's CPU's, and it has 8 cores! woow!" ...If only I checked out gaming benchmarks, userbenchmark, etc.. man that thing got beaten by a second hand i7 2500k that I "upgraded" to xD Then went to a 4790k second hand which dominated both of those CPU's, and gave me a massive jump in FPS. Now running a ryzen 5 3600x just for longevity, as I had no idea how long the 4790k would last me. Gotta say though, this thing was running at a horribly high voltage out of the box, and ran at like 50 degrees at idle.. Better after I went through with aisuite's easy tune, but the stock heatsink is still pretty loud. Couldn't use my AIO from the 4790k (might've been a good thing though, as it was like 5-6 years old), so still debating what cooler to get :p Definitely going with air cooler now, as they'll basically last forever, but can't decide

[@privatulagent7579]

My FX8370E is worse in games then i7 2700 or i5 7400 with a few fps. But in multitasking I AM A DESTROYER.

[@mighoet]

Yes, I'm really interested in classic computing, just to see how back can you go.

[@BrandonLy3993]

With the 9590, you may need to go back farther with older GPUs to have any "fun." I have one and Cyberpunk 2077 runs fine on ultra settings. The bottleneck is my GPU. The 9590 has an average usage of 50-70% throughout the game. That being said, I played the game on release and have not experienced the latest patches.

[@akkraphonglothongsuwan3962]

The naming of these chips where the best marketing success ever! Still rocking a "Piledriver" FX6300 @ 4.4Ghz in 2020!

[@eliquidmatt]

Still using this exact CPU and MB combo to this day in my gaming rig.. had it custom built in 2015 and I remember everyone being envious at the time that I managed to get hold of what was considered the fastest consumer CPU. Never really had major issues with temps, I run a Corsair AiO and it's been fine. I coupled it with a GTX 970 and considering the whole system falls way below current minimum standards it's comfortably able to run just about any new game at low to mid settings, some older ones on high or even ultra. In the process of planning a new build now, but this has been a tremendous machine for 6+ years and will be sadly missed when I eventually retire it! Great video, even if I am a year late lol!

[@verward]

I would've loved to see a comparison with the r5 1400 or 1500x, that would really drive home how far AMD has come.

[@jlu]

Back when AMD has no chance of competing with Intel and got sued for misrepresenting the number of cores their CPUs had 😆

[@bluescluessuperagent]

sued in 1 state in 1 country and even then AMD decided to settle just to make things easier. I'm not sure they would have lost in an actual court case. I think it's easy to make their case their cpu is in fact an 8/6/4 core cpu...just a bad one lol their legal defense should just be our cpus sucked...but they sucked with the right # of cores lol

[@josephlalock8378]

i'm supposed to be part of that settlement. that cpu was junk

[@Thefuror38500]

@@soulsbourne You've been able to reach 5Ghz on intel chips a long time before the 8086k launch (which was the first @5Ghz commercial cpu), but i was trough overclocking. Why would have intel bothered to push their chips (needing more binning, more risks of rma and so on) while they were already crushing the competition ?

[@ArtisChronicles]

Glad I watched this and glad you guys took the time to do this. I remember looking at the 9590 as an option and eventually concluding it wouldn't be worth it to me.

[@kayaogz]

Very interesting revisit of the history, thanks!

[@dinocorreia1202]

Still having and loving my FX 6300 at 4.6Ghz OC

[@thelightsilent]

rip 30fps, you getting same performance as an xbox 360/ps3 at best. suggest you get an i5 or i7 if you gonna play games or do anything that requires your pc not to crash cough ryzen builds tend to crash a few times when using them black screens are also a common problem look up online hints why im only suggesting an i5 or i7 since intel is at least reliable and you get your moneys worth with intel.

[@dinocorreia1202]

@@thelightsilent I agree but for my everyday use is more than i need. Using for games too with a 144Hz monitor at High or Ultra on same games with at least 60fps is more than enough. If i played at 30fps i would change my rig for a new one. Right now i don't need spend money. Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240R and a Asus Strix RX 580 OC and 16Gb RAM i am glad for his performance right now.

[@taekwon-do4life667]

For me I would upgraded ages ago. Like : Ryzen 5 1600Af for 90$ or intel 9400f for 60$. They outperform this by eras. So yeah, you gonna buy new MB together with new CPUS, but who cares? The cost of the KW per hour you pay to run the system will pay new investment in 1 year. Compare 65W to 225W. And the new CPUs running 5-15w in idle.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

220 watts for 5 Ghz doesn’t seem all that unusual. Doesn’t the i9-9900K also use a lot of juice at 5 Ghz. Thank you for bringing a blast from the past back to us.

[@thelightsilent]

the i9 9900k does 5ghz ALL CORES, fx 9590 only does 5ghz one core out of its 4 cores cough amd misleading not actually 8 core lawsuit says. the i9 9900k uses 120 watts... As you can see the fx chip is a good as comparing a toy plane to an actual plane. btw that ryzen chip getting smashed by the i9 9900k in all benchmarks was amazing right amd really likes misleading people, cough the ryzen cpu was more then double the price of the i9 and had double the power consumption cause it uses double the cores. cough ryzen 3rd gen is not 7nm look it up! its actually 12nm lol amd MISLEADING PEOPLE once again just like saying 4 core fx cpus was 8 core when it wasnt, ryzen aint 7nm its 12nm amd just saying (in pending lawsuit) that its AMD's interpretation of 7nm which is bull shet.

[@HardwareCanucks]

@@thelightsilent Exactly. And then when overclocked it goes above 400W easily.

[@Thelango99]

@@thelightsilent Only the Ryzen 3000 APUs are 12nm. The rest are TSMC 7nm.

[@stephtonylo8886]

TheLightSilent can you link me to this information? I cannot find sources stating that Ryzen isn’t 7nm

[@Luke-pp2lw]

@@thelightsilent the i9 is the one using more power compared to the ryzen 9

[@dave4shmups]

Great series! I am definitely interested in classic computing!

[@gulskjegglive]

I am sitting in front of my beloved FX-9590 PC with Asus Crosshair X Formula Z, R9 Fury X, and Sound Blaster Z PCI-E sound. I have moved the old Vishera down here to the basement, but I still log on at least once a week. After 6 years of faithful service, with no problems in all that time, I consider this rig to be one of the best I have ever built. I love my Ryzen 7 1800X PC with Vega 64 Liquid up in the livingroom, but this old warhorse will always have a special place in my heart.

[@aa999xyz]

I had fx six core processor not overclocked and for that time and money it was well worth it!

[@hmpf26]

best bang for buck

[@DD-ow4or]

lmao 3 months ago i just build my first Gaming computer with AMD FX 6300+GTX 760

[@AKATenn]

The first 5ghz CPU did fail, it had the ipc of a core2 processor when 2nd generation i7 cpus were out and had more than 30% more IPC... 3ghz 2600k could outperform the fx chips running at 5ghz.

[@dierrickyoung5501]

Now it's vice versa lol

[@AKATenn]

@@dierrickyoung5501 well now its neither, intel and amd cpus basically get the same scores if you clock both at say 4ghz and run 8 threads or less... except Intel cpus can run at 5.2ghz and amd can't

[@dierrickyoung5501]

@Salt Maker yes but what about when Intel goes to 7nm

[@AKATenn]

@Salt Maker it's nowhere near as disparaging as the difference between a 2600k and an FX9590

[@dierrickyoung5501]

@Salt Maker idk probably along time till Intel can hit 5ghz this easy

[@NYCamper62]

Yup, still have one of these fx-9590 220 watt chips, paired with an msi 990fxa gaming board. I don't use it anymore it's been retired. Built an am4 platform. A major problem was when it boosted over 4.7 ghz., windows could freeze. Found out later you could disable the boost in the bios that would keep it stable.

[@evilqtip7098]

Great Video guy's enjoyed watching it ..

[@gamemakingnegro1398]

AMD really went from rags to riches in the last few years.

[@thealien_ali3382]

Are u wet

[@itsdeonlol]

The FX-9590 makes a great space heater for today!!!

[@Kulikovis]

I had one of those. Drove me nuts with the heat and an AIO noise at home. Ended up at my old work space powering the ESXi server with a build farm and a staging server and some other light VMs. Downclocked to 4.5GHz. Probably still crunching numbers out there. One of the most memorable mistakes in my life =)

[@itpugil]

I always enjoy watching hardware that are "old but not necessarily obsolete". I have a Xeon E5-2690 and my brother upgraded from an Athlon II x4 640(a hand-me-down build from me, before upgrading to an i7-4790) to an FX 8300. I OCed it to a decent 3.8ghz, I could do 4.0ghz but got limited due to the DeepCool Ice Blade 100 cooler. I've always wondered why the FX 8300 had a lower Max TJunction. Your video explained why, thanks!

[@Darrellip]

Bruh im still using a Amd FX8325

[@rodneyq9882]

I haven't updated in the longest time still running an fx 8120 have never had problems, but now with win 10 things are starting to slow down..

[@privatulagent7579]

Just don't update W10. It's crap updates.

[@mikescomputercorner1204]

hey loved this video and I have always had a bit of a soft spot for the core 2 quad cpu and coupled with the motherboard that was able to take the DDR3 ram , if that is something you can highlight here it would be a ton of fun to see.

[@Phil_Goodman]

good and accurate info here actually! especially the scheduler issues this CPU has.

[@nel2556]

My fx-6300 still runs great at 5Ghz

[@thelightsilent]

5ghz 1 core not all cores xd whilst a modern i9 gets 8 cores 5ghz without overclocking lol come on its time for you to upgrade, if your pc crashes at all then its cause your not using intels platform since stability and driver support is where AMD cheaped out on.

[@nel2556]

@@thelightsilent lol chill. My 6300 runs 5ghz all core 24/7 and when I upgrade it'll be to an r5 3600. I also never have crashes or issues whatsoever and enjoy 1440p 60hz at all times

[@NightHawk7870XT]

Well if you really wanted to start a house fire GTX 480 would of been the icing on the cake lol. Great video good to see how far amds has come

[@Obie327]

I'm liking this old hardware series. I personally jumped on the P67 Sandy Bridge 2600k (@4.2ghz) back then. (still using daily) I wouldn't mind other motherboard/CPU combos, And some GPU performance tests. Thanks guys!

[@Nick1921945]

Thank you for making this video. I was considering getting this 9590, but considering what people say about temperatures, i will take that into serious consideration. im still hanging out with a AM3+ motherboard and im looking to get the best i can, but i dont want to deal with stress of heat and power consumption so ill sacrifice a tiny bit of performance to get something a little bit weaker.

[@harsimransingh615]

ohh now I know the 'Bulldozer" chip I have been hearing about a lot of times.

[@mrawesomelemons]

They really were bulldozers. Impossible to kill as long as you could cool them!

[@syncmonism]

Most of them were not clocked so high to begin with, though they generally would overclock very well if you had a good enough motherboard and power supply and knew what you were doing. They were also very competitively priced. They had some good budget options, like the 4300 and 6300 (4-core and 6-core variants). They had great bang per buck, but they didn't sell particularly well. One of the issues was that they didn't offer much (if any) improvement over the performance of the previous gen AM3 CPUs (such as Thuban), so a lot of the people who were willing to buy AMD CPUs were already happy with what they already had, presumably (I know I was). I stayed with the AM3 platform with a few different CPUs, the last being a 960T which, in my case, was a super good overclocker, until I finally upgraded to AM4 about a year ago.

[@kimisingh7298]

Now I feel like I was born in dinosaur ages🤣🤣 i wish i could travel back to the past and see all the remarkable moments of computing power history🤗 I MISS THE GOOD OLD DAYS

[@HardwareCanucks]

Maybe we'll bring a few more to ya!

[@conandude76]

Yeah........my first was a 386 my dad bought us, but my first that I bought myself was a 486dx. Age is relative lol

[@dorientjewoller113]

Nice to see the Scythe Fuma 2 found a place in one of your pc's.

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Cool video. My last AM3+ configuration for my system was nearly the best that anAM3+ build could of been.

[@shanepearce1629]

this sounds like intel to day i had a AMD FX-9590 you get a better score from a ryzen 5 2400g

[@kenzer1614]

Classic computing makes me think your going to pull out an Altair 8800, Commodore 64, or IBM 7090.

[@HardwareCanucks]

We've got more planned that's far older.

[@gremfive4246]

Classic computing means something different to each person you ask, although I got machines as old as my 5160 xt in my collection when I hear Classic computing I tend think of my pentium II, pentium III and athlon thunderbird machines as that is the era I have the most fond memories of.

[@jordanharkness]

What a timely video. My Corsair H100i that was cooling my FX-9590 since 2013 recently died... I expect my electricity bill to go down. I had the Asus Sabertooth 990FX... First one died, RMA'd board died (both had faulty solder). I switched to a Gigabyte board and had no problems for running continually for the last 6 years. Now I'm in the market for a replacement cooler... do I want to spend the money for replacement Corsair water cooler or take my chance on Noctua DH-15s... hmmm

[@devinsmith6523]

love this video. my first build was with a 9590. shocking I didn't have any issues lol.

[@hhhfghhh]

11:36 mm yess finally raindbow

[@93SupaFly]

""Have you hertz from canucks?""

[@Janosch122lp]

I used to work at mid sized computer shop in Germany and one a customer showed up whom complained about his pc randomly shutting down. It was an Amd fx 8000 series cpu and first I began with stressing it. It turned off after some while and I noticed it got really hot. So I swapped the case fan with a silent wing cooler and that remedied the issue. The guy was very thankful and I later received a letter from him, in which he thanked me and slipped a cheeky 20€ in for me. One of my favorite work stories still to this day :)

[@inkfyuk9647]

My first custom pc had a 9590 with 290x 8gb and a custom water-cooling loop. Had it for like 7 years and it was going strong. I still feel nostalgic about that pc from time to time.

[@danielfatfingahs5649]

Near equal results in "RainDbow Six Siege" - care to elaborate? Your ram was clocked at 1333mhz?!?! The R 2.0 can handle 2133mhz! Try the 8370e!

[@willn8664]

I haven't been keeping up with computers as much for the past 8 years. At first I thought the FX series was to the Ryzen like how the Celeron was to the Pentium.

[@mrskflynn]

Please continue on with the Classic Hardware series.. would love to see some early GPUs, Radeon 9700 or 7970, Nvidia 580 or if possible 3Dfx

[@shootinbruin3614]

Gread vid. Can you do a video looking into the 8800 Ultra in 3-way SLI and seeing how much one would need to spend on a single graphics card today to match that performance?

[@herb420]

"Blast from the past" Me still using one :(

[@Spicysauced]

Me too. But on purpose. My Ryzen system is sitting in a corner right now, doing almost nothing.

[@herb420]

@Spicysauced similar story here, I have a ryzen system on a shelf above my desk. It needs maintenance that I haven't been bothered to do yet.

[@michakrzyzanowski8554]

it's not that bad but you're wasting energy

[@joseup_z]

When you realize that multi-threading is having twice the amount of threads, which you didn't know because you are growing up in a world where that is normal.

[@conandude76]

Some non consumer cpu's actually get 4 threads to every core, so that's why 'multi' instead of just 'dual'.

[@archfxt3619]

@@conandude76 4 threads on a core ?

[@conandude76]

@@archfxt3619 Yeah read that right, yes. 4 threads to a core, rather than two.

[@zoomzabba452]

2004 when i built my first pc with new parts. The Pentium 4 HT was new. The notion of an 2 thread per cpu was thrilling.

[@molletts]

@@conandude76 Some IBM POWER9 CPUs even have 8 threads per core! Really, they're just trying to use the execution units that carry out the program instructions more efficiently - instead of having, say, 80 cores with one of everything on each, they have 10 cores with, perhaps, 8 of each of the really common simple functions that are used all the time, 4 or 6 of each less-used/more-complex function and maybe only a couple of the rarely-used and/or really complex parts, plus some logic to allocate them to threads as and when needed. (That's a massive oversimplification but hopefully you get the general idea.) Intel kind of came at it from a slightly different direction with Pentium 4 HT - the P4's design meant that a lot of its resources spent a lot of time sitting idle so it was possible to get a worthwhile amount of extra performance relatively easily by having a second thread keeping them busy. (Actually, AMD FX had a little bit of this - the pair of cores that made up each module shared a few functions that AMD judged to be less heavily-used - hence the legal dispute about whether they really had as many cores as was advertised.)

[@Arthur-vr4yf]

i love this! i would love to see more classic computing

[@MadmanLink]

I just changed from the fx 9590 to a Ryzen 5 3600. I ran my fx with a Corsair H100. One day while cleaning the rad out I knocked out the fan wires (they were really loose for some reason). A few minutes after startup I start having all kinds of problems and quickly figured it was a over heating problem. The heat coming from the top of my case was insane!

[@deimosphob]

maybe if some crazy person could re-optimize it to actually be good

[@_A.d.G_]

Don't forget to mention Intel's scheming that brought AMD so low in those times.

[@_A.d.G_]

@David Whitfield while bribing CEOs is not exactly an "incentive", right?

[@synergy021]

I'm still using this one's little brother the FX-4390 overclocked with only air to 4.7GHz for years and it's been completely stable the whole time. Excellent workhorse that's aged well.

[@ShieTar_]

"Back then AMD didn't have simultaneous multithreading" ... Yes they did. It was even slightly more efficient than Intels version. They just preferred to call each thread a core to look like much better value-per-money than they were. The FX-9590 realistically speaking was a Quadcore with Multithreading.

[@simonh317]

Lower power draw than an Intel i9......

[@simonh317]

@WD Fourty oh bless you - 95w is the non boost number given by Intel - in real world and under boost its over 175w. Yes you need to research.

[@simonh317]

@WD Fourty so you havent watched the video then, nor have any actual understanding how Intel uses TDP or how the PL1 or PL2 boost clocks works then on the i9 series.

[@simonh317]

@WD Fourty - we are talking stock numbers. The Intel i9 9900k has PL1 and PL2 boost states as stock. Intel declare TDP as the non boost numbers (see the GN video on explaining what those terms actually mean - they are set by default). From your reply you have ALOT of learning to do.

[@jonathanbuzzard6648]

The IBM PowerPC had >5GHz versions before anything from AMD

[@Devo_gx]

Indeed they did, but they are on a completely different architecture and instruction set. Can't really compare the two.

[@bobhumid]

Dudes! Great Video! I really enjoyed it ... But you completly missed the most important point: Bulldozer-architecture had TWO CPU-cores sharing one FPU (Floating Point calculation Unit) . Since audio, video and game-technology relies on FPU-caclulations, there´s the problem. An X-core AMD Bulldozer of those times, was basically an X/2-core regarding it´s FPU-processing-power. Meaning: 8 cores with integer calculation BUT only 4 cores for FPU-calculations.

[@vax6575]

This makes me want to pull out my old system. Had the same Sabertooth board and an FX-8350, I believe I got it to 4.8 stable at 1.325v with max temp at 45c. It was my favorite overclocking experience

[@zoomzabba452]

Water or air? I'm like 4.7 1.440 with a NH-D15

[@WarsunGames]

8:48 Yes its hot to the touch. You are STRESS TESTING! You want to point me to the same level processor an it not be hot to the touch in stress test? Ugh.

[@gugubope21]

Some processoes only get warm during stress tests. My i5 2400 won't get past 55ºC. So the cooler doesn't even feel warm

[@HardwareCanucks]

Wrong. Getting hot (not warm) to the touch is BAD. That means the fan(s) aren't dissipating heat from the fin array fast enough. For that kind of reaction with a U12S speaks volumes of how much heat is being put out by this CPU.

[@WarsunGames]

@@HardwareCanucks Yeah because your pushing it farther than normal in a benchmark. Are you kidding me?! Yes its gonna run hot! Then you overclocked it. Which they specifically tell you NOT to do. Ugh! You drive me crazy with this! An yes when it gets hot its because its not one of the Recommended coolers. Now do you remember. They specifically said Corsair and other liquid coolers. Why are you using a fan one? See this... This drives me up the way. Your doing it wrong an then saying see the temps are hot! NO!

[@nolanboyer6883]

My old computer was a Crosshair-V Formula-Z motherboard, FX-8350 black edition at 5GHz With Four Sapphire HD-7950 graphics cards, all crossfired. It was insane how hot my room used to be. I switched to AM4 with a Ryzen 7 2700X, and two XFX R9 390 graphics cards. I kinda miss how warm my room used to be. I live in Oregon where summers get around ~75 Fahrenheit, it was almost unplayable during summertime because of how hot my room was.

[@1gatomon]

I have built and used 3 of the 9590 processors. I found that getting a motherboard that supported it harder than the actual processor and cooling it.. My best one was with a 240 water cooler. Ran nice and had great gaming with it.

[@lactobacillusprime]

Always interested in classic computing as well as the new stuff. I kept my old Pentium III and FX-8350 machines around and quite like to tinker with them and see how far we've come.

[@HardwareCanucks]

The best part of that time is you could still overclock the processors. Nowadays companies have become so good at pulling every ounce of performance from their CPUs.

[@UserMum7512]

We're all getting older this will be fun to look at cheers

[@HardwareCanucks]

Thanks! Can't wait to do more.

[@macleod1592]

I first got into PC gaming and building about 12 years ago and the fondest memories I have are of the Phenom II X2 555 which was a dual core CPU but you could activate the other 2 cores in the BIOS and some were stable as full quad cores. I was finally able to get mine stable with 3 cores running at 3.9 GHz. If you guys have one of those lying around I'd love to see how your chip compared. I also have fond memories of overclocking with my Powercolor HD4850, running the Crysis benchmark over and over again trying to get over 40 fps regularly at high settings on my 17" Sony CRT monitor at 1024x720 LOL.

[@clementpoon120]

R9 and FX: hi fan Fan: im gonna have a really bad time

[@IloveKingsIsland]

So love watching this first self built computer I did was fx still have one the fx 8350 contemplated getting a 9590 online recently to mess around with

[@StevenRoWo]

My FX9590 still is an ideal heater in the office. Combined with a GTX1080 it still runs most of the games without problems, but I hope Ryzen 4th gen and RTX 3rd gen will be there soon for my upgrade

[@k3salieri]

Still have my first computer build sitting in the back over here with a 9590 in it. Very warm processor.

[@danielyoumans8199]

I was running an old fx 6250 black edition all the way up to this past christmas when I finally upgraded to the 3600, and I was still able to play the latest AAA games at 1080p at high settings. Paired that cpu with a 550 4 Gb gpu

[@AparatorulPoporului]

Is big diference between this FXs and Ryzen 3 in term of performance?

[@jimsinnovations2737]

I'd love too how far oc goes. And how cool it actually runs. Cause mine doesnt run hot

[@Tcflohr]

I did love my 8150 and 8350 at the time. I was building new computers every few months, and they were a real challenge to overclock. My 2600k build was set it and forget which had good performance, but I liked the challenge of benchmarking, tweaking, benchmarking.

[@kayburcky7146]

Was that the sabertooth with m.2 and USB 3.1?

[@RussellRobinson77]

I used to have an i7 920. id like to see what your current opinions of that are, and how that platform performs today