How Many Different Possible Landscapes Are There In RCT2?

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Marcel Vos

Marcel Vos

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@5MadMovieMakers
@5MadMovieMakers 3 жыл бұрын
Every RCT map is personalized (mathematically)
@kleinerhalflife
@kleinerhalflife 3 жыл бұрын
ok
@BabzaiWWP
@BabzaiWWP 3 жыл бұрын
get a new meme
@fo-ef8qo
@fo-ef8qo 3 жыл бұрын
Is this a mario iceberg joke? lol
@E-102_Gamma
@E-102_Gamma 3 жыл бұрын
_YOU WANT FUN?_ _MARCEL SHOW YOU FUN_
@goldenhorde6944
@goldenhorde6944 4 ай бұрын
"The best place to hide a leaf is in the forest"
@Songbearer
@Songbearer 3 жыл бұрын
You know, while it might not be the best thing for ~engagement~, I really appreciate that you put the answer to the video titles in your thumbnail. I always watch the video because of it because I want to know how you get to that conclusion. Sure beats a thumbnail of a rollercoaster that somehow has a :O face and a ton of ??????'s on it.
@MarcelVos
@MarcelVos 3 жыл бұрын
It might actually be better for engagement in some cases surprisingly. If people see a huge number in the thumbnail they will want to know how I arrived at that number, which causes them to click the video.
@mrlagx
@mrlagx 3 жыл бұрын
i too love anti click bait like this
@lumindoesvideos
@lumindoesvideos 3 жыл бұрын
It's like reverse clickbait, he gives you the answer but most of us don't want just the answer, so we click.
@Captaintrippz
@Captaintrippz 2 жыл бұрын
How's and why's are much more interesting than what's. That read so much better in me head...
@isawadelapradera6490
@isawadelapradera6490 2 жыл бұрын
@@Captaintrippz It's a good phrase.
@franciscusrebro1416
@franciscusrebro1416 3 жыл бұрын
As a high school math teacher, this was one of your most enjoyable videos yet. How you keep coming up with these compelling topics on my favorite niche game is beyond me. Long live this channel!
@jonnnnniej
@jonnnnniej 3 жыл бұрын
Right? Every time a totally different video! I don't think I can ever get enough of it
@fbob987
@fbob987 3 жыл бұрын
It's weird to think that somewhere in that incomprehensibly large stack of levels, there's one with your username and password written on the ground
@MarcelVos
@MarcelVos 3 жыл бұрын
And not just one, but more than a Googol of them. Assuming you write by raising the terrain up, you only need 58 tiles to have more than 10^100 different surface and edge combinations.
@EOTA564
@EOTA564 3 жыл бұрын
Well, how many different ways could you write it down on a sheet of A4 paper at a molecular level?
@Dennis19901
@Dennis19901 3 жыл бұрын
It's far "deeper" than this. Every piece of information to have ever exist and that will ever exist is contained in this large stack of levels. The same applies for the "Library of Babel". It contains all information that can ever exist. You just have to find it first :)
@BokBarber
@BokBarber 3 жыл бұрын
And there are many times more which are your username and password but a single pixel off.
@berylliosis5250
@berylliosis5250 3 жыл бұрын
*every piece of information that can be expressed in each combination, which is about 0.14 MiB. So not actually that much information on a modern scale
@chronoslayercs
@chronoslayercs 3 жыл бұрын
*Arithmophobia Sufferer* Recent thoughts: _A big number looks too intense for me._
@max5183
@max5183 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like you just had a university lecture about this and decided to make a video how many different possible parks in total there are. Then you realized it's way to complicated with rides and scenery, so you went with how many different possible landscapes are there :D At least that's how my thought chain would go! Love the content :)
@AvenDonn
@AvenDonn 3 жыл бұрын
I've felt the same after doing my combinatorics course. I've since then forgotten almost all the formulas and proofs.
@drunkenhobo8020
@drunkenhobo8020 3 жыл бұрын
I did the same thing after learning the binomial coefficient. First thing I did was check the probability of winning the lottery. Conclusion - don't play the lottery.
@choo_choo_
@choo_choo_ 3 жыл бұрын
What are you talking about? This is high school math. It's all basic concepts, just with big numbers.
@607
@607 3 жыл бұрын
@@choo_choo_ You get high school math at university too.
@choo_choo_
@choo_choo_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@607 Yeah, in remedial classes. Doesn't make it college math.
@Bluefire610
@Bluefire610 3 жыл бұрын
Most of these combinations are fairly unplayable -- it would be interesting to see how many landscapes exist that support some continuity criteria, e.g. lipschitz continuity!
@Lemon_Inspector
@Lemon_Inspector 3 жыл бұрын
The funniest kind of continuity
@The360MlgNoscoper
@The360MlgNoscoper 3 жыл бұрын
number of fun landscapes?
@DarkWarchieff
@DarkWarchieff 3 жыл бұрын
Fermi approximation - divide by Googol. More than you can finish.
@alexanderkane2581
@alexanderkane2581 3 жыл бұрын
I want to see Marcel Livestream a playthrough on randomness park 😀
@medleyshift1325
@medleyshift1325 3 жыл бұрын
Not just some of them are unplayable, almost all of them are unplayable static.
@MasterCrash123
@MasterCrash123 3 жыл бұрын
Never have I been so interested in information I will never have any actual real life use for.
@Captain-Jinn
@Captain-Jinn 3 жыл бұрын
I don't even play the game and I'm still watching these videos because of how well done they are
@steepslopesmm2
@steepslopesmm2 3 жыл бұрын
it'd be interesting to see a randomizer scenario where every tile has a random landscape at the start and you have to make a park from it. Maybe even disable terrain changing if possible.
@cromanticheer
@cromanticheer 3 жыл бұрын
That sounds like a literal nightmare scenario. Where do I sign up?
@pugglegrs
@pugglegrs 3 жыл бұрын
Someone needs to line up an interview with you and Chris Sawyer. I think that would be an awesome interview, and I think that Chris would actually enjoy talking to you.
@tehberral
@tehberral 3 жыл бұрын
As much as I and many others would love to see that, from what I've heard you have a better chance of running into a wild pack of unicorns than actually getting a hold of Chris Sawyer.
@jimijamesnoob685
@jimijamesnoob685 3 жыл бұрын
Every time I hear or see Chris Sawyer I think of Rush
@TheFarSideOfNj
@TheFarSideOfNj 3 жыл бұрын
I second this
@Tomodee423
@Tomodee423 3 жыл бұрын
There's a documentary on Rollercoaster Tycoon by a KZbin channel named Noclip where they tried to get in contact with him (Marcel even features in it). He very much just wants to leave it as a part of his past.
@pugglegrs
@pugglegrs 3 жыл бұрын
@@Tomodee423 I find that crazy, but I am not him so I don't know how he feels, but man what an amazing man and an amazing accomplishment.
@MorleyQ
@MorleyQ 3 жыл бұрын
I've always loved how Marcel uses different colorations to highlight things in his videos. Using the game itself as part of the editing adds a lot of charm to the video! I also love math, so this video was music to my ears!
@FedoraMark
@FedoraMark 3 жыл бұрын
I love insanely huge numbers like this because they’re all just a minuscule rounding error compared to TREE(3).
@Samuel_Hearfield
@Samuel_Hearfield 3 жыл бұрын
Or even Rayo’s number!
@DarkstarArchangel
@DarkstarArchangel 3 жыл бұрын
I recommend a video called "List of Large Numbers" you will see words like "Googol" or "Giggol" or even "Boogol".
@OriginalPiMan
@OriginalPiMan 3 жыл бұрын
@@DarkstarArchangel A googol is tiny compared to most of the end numbers in this video, and TREE(3) is so much unfathomably larger than any of these numbers. Even your giggol or boogol are nothing compared to TREE(3). Pretty sure. TREE(4) would definitely win though. Rayo's Number (as mentioned by Samuel), however, has all these beat by margins that no number you or I could ever write with any notation could ever come close to.
@DarkstarArchangel
@DarkstarArchangel 3 жыл бұрын
@@OriginalPiMan That's why I mentioned the "List of Large Numbers" video and mentioned numbers like Giggol and Boogol.
@CannibalCory
@CannibalCory 3 жыл бұрын
...and yet TREE(3) is itself absolutely nothing compared to the Busy Beaver numbers (by definition, they grow faster than any computable number, and the TREE sequence is computable).
@bbgun061
@bbgun061 3 жыл бұрын
When you encounter a number like 10^365,565; use this for comparison: The estimated total number of atoms in the observable universe is 10^82. (Edited to correct my mistake.)
@brantnuttall
@brantnuttall 3 жыл бұрын
I was just wondering that.......................it seems I was wrong in my estimation!
@donandremikhaelibarra6421
@donandremikhaelibarra6421 3 жыл бұрын
That’s a little bit over a decimyrillion possible combinations
@rock7343
@rock7343 4 ай бұрын
It's actually 10^82, but that still seems small compared to RCT terrain combinations.
@bbgun061
@bbgun061 4 ай бұрын
@@rock7343 what's a couple orders of magnitude among friends?
@evaknoops8242
@evaknoops8242 3 жыл бұрын
ghci (the haskell terminal) can calculate (possibly infinitely) large numbers, I typed 10^1000000, and it worked, although it takes a while to print such a large number. It does give exact answers instead of scientic notation though. But it is probably quite easy to find a haskell program to calculate such numbers in scientic notation seconds with haskell.
@michaelmallia6462
@michaelmallia6462 3 жыл бұрын
"I want to get off Mr. Marcel's Wild Calculator" -34,726 guests
@hooverkinz
@hooverkinz 3 жыл бұрын
Marcel is my go to for when I’m having a panic attack. His videos are so calming and nice
@Cryster99
@Cryster99 2 жыл бұрын
Even when he’s talking about ludicrously large numbers
@GretgorPooper
@GretgorPooper 3 жыл бұрын
Am I the only person who watches the "hello, everyone, and welcome to another video" line on repeat a few times before starting to watch the video? I mean, this man's got a great voice and accent, it brings me so much peace.
@claudiodiaz9752
@claudiodiaz9752 3 жыл бұрын
Probably yes.
@jmc042
@jmc042 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah you might be.
@Georgeveen
@Georgeveen 3 жыл бұрын
I usually say the line whenever I see a Marcel Vos video, it is indeed an iconic voice, accent and way to start the video.
@harleyowen91
@harleyowen91 3 жыл бұрын
It's like FailRace. Has used the same intro line with the same inflection since his very early days, maybe even his first video.
@Georgeveen
@Georgeveen 3 жыл бұрын
@@harleyowen91 oh yes, his Helloo and welcome to this show! Is ingrained in my brain as well
@TheMightyDozen
@TheMightyDozen 3 жыл бұрын
Ok so, here's what I propose: 1.342e365565 shall be named Landscapeplex 1.915e496495 shall be named Cogwheelplex and the theoretical number of total RCT2 parks (over 1e1000000) shall be named RCTplex. I considered naming one of these the Marcelplex (or Vosplex, but that sounds kinda lamer), but I wasn't sure which.
@chriso1373
@chriso1373 3 жыл бұрын
I know its only been a few hour but, underrated comment
@amethyphoenix
@amethyphoenix 3 жыл бұрын
Marcel: A man of torturing guests, a devout follower of the RCT Gods, and a mathematician of incomprehensible numbers. My goodness.
@xionkuriyama5697
@xionkuriyama5697 3 жыл бұрын
so basically a cthulu cultist?
@amethyphoenix
@amethyphoenix 3 жыл бұрын
@@xionkuriyama5697 You could say that, yes
@muggins2279
@muggins2279 3 жыл бұрын
My mind has melted thank you Mr Vos
@MixedByTheScientist
@MixedByTheScientist 3 жыл бұрын
Even if every single person in the world were to generate one different terrain every second, the universe will end before we even get close to all possibilities… 😬
@じょせふ-v2z
@じょせふ-v2z 3 жыл бұрын
Dude you don't know when the universe will end quit trying to sound smart
@nthgth
@nthgth 3 жыл бұрын
@@じょせふ-v2z quit being a jerk you ignoramus. It's called hyperbole. Plus, ever hear of the "heat death of the universe?"
@bzw77
@bzw77 3 жыл бұрын
@@じょせふ-v2z I don't think you understand how large these numbers are...
@splatter_proto
@splatter_proto 3 жыл бұрын
@@じょせふ-v2z The heat death of the universe is calculated to occur in roughly 10^100 years A quick google search tells us there's roughly 10^80 atoms in the observable universe So doing the math, if every atom in the observable universe generated a new landscape for every second the universe has or will exist, we get... 3.1536×10^187. Which is not even close.
@MixedByTheScientist
@MixedByTheScientist 3 жыл бұрын
@@splatter_proto It’s crazy because that number is still virtually nothing compared to the total possibilities…
@ryanparrott6866
@ryanparrott6866 3 жыл бұрын
I genuinely never thought I would find a video about math so entertaining. I don't know why, but seeing numbers that huge in a video game, especially a game like RCT2, makes me bust out laughing. They're just so big!
@Definitely_a_Fox
@Definitely_a_Fox 3 жыл бұрын
My brain had already melted out of my ears by the 10 second mark.
@doc.rankin577
@doc.rankin577 3 жыл бұрын
Finally! Vos answering the hard questions. Keep at it bro
@korvasterindar9672
@korvasterindar9672 3 жыл бұрын
I guess you could say that it's....INCONCIEVABLE!
@E-102_Gamma
@E-102_Gamma 3 жыл бұрын
You keep using that word.
@matthewgough9533
@matthewgough9533 3 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite rct2 videos so far, but then again, I love numbers. I thought you did a really good job of breaking down binomial expansion and factorial without getting too in depth with the math. The number of possible parks are intimidatingly huge. Every extra factor of random blows it out of proportion again. The names of the rides, the names of the guests, the locations of the various guests, music choice, color of Rollercoaster including individual tile customization..... All things considered, I don't think you'd be as big as G64 - Graham's number, but definitely larger than g1.
@simanova837
@simanova837 3 жыл бұрын
Placing a toilett makes my park very unique.
@spartaninvirginia
@spartaninvirginia 3 жыл бұрын
This is the hard hitting journalism I subscribed to
@WilliumBobCole
@WilliumBobCole 3 жыл бұрын
When I was younger, I wanted to know "how many images can there be", like, how long would it take to refresh a monitor with every possible combination of pixels that it could show. I very quickly realised that it would be incomprehensible, and this video just reminds me how my brain is incapable of comprehending just HOW incomprehensible this kind of number truly is 😅
@agentstache135
@agentstache135 3 жыл бұрын
7:30 According to WolframAlpha 61,935,360 choose 130,556 is approximately 2.32 * 10^406,023
@ethribin4188
@ethribin4188 3 жыл бұрын
Youre effectivly officially the SpiritOfTheLaw of Roller Coaster Tycoon 2! xD
@Chosen1Creator
@Chosen1Creator 3 жыл бұрын
Numbers so big you could scientifically notate your scientific notation. 10^10^6
@bobblebardsley
@bobblebardsley 2 жыл бұрын
"Ginormosity" is an excellent word and I will try to use it more often in my own life. Also I giggled like a small child every time you read out those powers of ten. When even your exponent is incomprehensibly large, you know you're into uncharted territory!
@daweil94
@daweil94 3 жыл бұрын
Insane how quickly the numbers get huge. Probably >99,9% of the parks end up unplayable but the theoretical possible combinations are nearly endless. I know it sounds cheesy but something to think about when looking at planet earth; out of all the random possibilities we have this planet with functioning life on it. Look outside at nature and there seems not much random. It's like choosing one of the random parks and then ending up with the Marcel Pixel art one.
@nonna_sof5889
@nonna_sof5889 3 жыл бұрын
And then look at all the other planets that can't support life and realize it only looks like that because we couldn't have formed on a planet we couldn't have formed on.
@merlinmagnus873
@merlinmagnus873 3 жыл бұрын
Big numbers makes me happy!
@majamystic256
@majamystic256 3 жыл бұрын
Now that we know how many combinations of Rollecoaster Tycoon landscapes there are because of Marcel Vos and how combinations of Minecraft Worlds there are because of Ant Venom (though that video is a bit dated now because that was on a older version) now we all we need is Decino to make video on how many combinations of Vanilla Doom Maps using the stock assets only are there
@carlstenger5893
@carlstenger5893 3 жыл бұрын
Great Video! Thanks, Marcell I never miss your videos. I've been playing RCT since it first came out in the 90's. OpenRCT2 breathed new life into an addictive game.
@Davtwan
@Davtwan 3 жыл бұрын
This sounds like some marketing blurb someone would put on the back of the box. “Over a trillion different landscape combinations!”
@Enoxix.
@Enoxix. 3 жыл бұрын
I guess someone was good at math! Haha, cool video man!
@jonnnnniej
@jonnnnniej 3 жыл бұрын
If I learned something from watching Marvel's videos, it's that there's a lot mor math in rtc then yih would expect!
@Bengtssonsan
@Bengtssonsan 3 жыл бұрын
Very good video, and well done with the maths. The formulas seem to be correct if I remember my maths right. One slight thought about the terrain (see 3:15), or more specifically the edge textures: If a specific tile does not have any visible edges, can we really include those edges in the formula? On the one hand, the information about the edges are in the game, indicating that it should be included. On the other hand, the difference between two variants of invisible edges are not possible to detect by purely looking at the terrain, indicating that we should exclude invisible edges. However, the maths required to exclude edges that are invisible would be so extremely complicated that it would probably be pointless to even try to include in the video, so I would like to say that you did the right choice of formula.
@Ails1234
@Ails1234 3 жыл бұрын
As if I didn't get enough choice paralysis when playing RCT
@aquilaezio6621
@aquilaezio6621 3 жыл бұрын
wow what a sick nice math video. the numbers are serious sick for suth a game. awesome video Marcel Vos, ik vind je video's geweldig. ik leer zoveel dat ik echt snel beter wordt in RTC, mega veel dank voor al je video's keep up the awesome work, can't wait for the next video you post.
@SP_Rocks1408
@SP_Rocks1408 3 жыл бұрын
Who needs cosmic horror when you have numbers like these to make you feel insignificant?
@pickles3128
@pickles3128 3 жыл бұрын
These numbers, when they get this high, are very difficult or even impossible to visualize or compare to one another. I think it's because our human brains just weren't meant, nor ever evolved, to have a need to ever deal with them; who could gather that many berries, or have that many tribe members? Looking at a sandy beach all the grains of sand become one to us, not separate entities.
@tylisirn
@tylisirn 2 жыл бұрын
I once calculated how many possible different Minecraft worlds there could be (most of them would be just chests filled with random coloured shulker boxes filled with random sized stacks of random items, every other kind of world would be a rounding error). The number was so incomprehensibly large that it could no longer even be expressed as scientific notation, but only as a power tower: approximately 10^10^10^10^159 That number has too many digits to even enumerate how many digits it has!
@pickles3128
@pickles3128 2 жыл бұрын
@@tylisirn If you have the time, I'd suggest watching "What is the largest number?" by KZbin mathematician Sharkee. Very interesting. Have a good one!
@mrlagx
@mrlagx 3 жыл бұрын
the new minecraft mod is looking good
@somethingremove
@somethingremove 3 жыл бұрын
This is probably my favorite video you’ve ever done. Brilliant work.
@jonnnnniej
@jonnnnniej 3 жыл бұрын
These videos get better and better, also probably my favorite music from the game :) and loving the online community! ❤
@AlrexX2
@AlrexX2 Жыл бұрын
random rct2 trivia is exactly what i need after pulling an all nighter in a techno club. thank you marcel
@squiddler7731
@squiddler7731 3 жыл бұрын
Question: at 7:14 you multiply all the possible horizontal positions by vertical positions, but wouldn't this overestimate the possibilities since that assumes cogwheels can be floating at any height with no need for anything directly beneath them? Granted I'm not sure how you would calculate it in a way that accounts for both the build height limit and floating cogwheels, but I thought I'd ask about that
@bzw77
@bzw77 3 жыл бұрын
These numbers are incomprehensibly large. Let's try to put them in perspective: Let's say that nested within every single atom in this universe (10^80) there is a copy of our universe (10^80). Each nested atom owns a trillion trillion copies of RCT2 (10^24). And every nanosecond, each copy of RCT2 generates a new unique landscape (10^9). So each second, 10^193 new landscapes are generated. This is magnitudes more RCT2 landscapes than has ever been generated by humans, being created every single second. Let's begin generating starting at the Big Bang, and ending at the heat death of the universe (10^113). Each time the universe ends, restart it, and watch one nanosecond of KZbin. Once you've watched every KZbin video (10^22), start over, and move 1 nanometer through space. Once you've crossed the entire observable universe a trillion trillion times (10^60), you will have generated 10^388 unique landscapes, which is functionally 0% of the total number possible. Let's revisit the universe within an atom analogy at the beginning. Imagine each atom contained a universe, and each of those nested atoms contained another universe, and so on. You would have to have 4570 nested layers of universes within atoms to have each atom represent a unique landscape.
@SupersuMC
@SupersuMC 3 жыл бұрын
Dude...
@VarthBlitz
@VarthBlitz 3 жыл бұрын
I want to see Marcel play a scenario where the terrain has been randomized and has to make a park out of it.
@claudetheclaudeqc6600
@claudetheclaudeqc6600 3 жыл бұрын
at 2:00 , there is already an error, because in vanilla rct2, the water stop at 31.5 meters and start off at -7.5 meters i'm pretty sure if you use open rct2 new values of height, it's even larger, and we don't need to talk about the newer limits elements.
@MarcelVos
@MarcelVos 3 жыл бұрын
I actually used Classic to determine the maximum and minimum heights of water and assumed it was the same in RCT2 vanilla. You may be right about the maximum height, but the minimum is still -9 meters as no water is still a valid water level.
@じょせふ-v2z
@じょせふ-v2z 3 жыл бұрын
Different water height feels like cheesing it
@weirdproq
@weirdproq 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't even know about factorials until today. Thanks for this very informative video.
@PeteR90468
@PeteR90468 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. And this is just from a 90's computer game. Makes one wonder about the seemingly infinite variables and possibilities in real life and the universe.
@bbgun061
@bbgun061 3 жыл бұрын
There are an estimated 10^80 atoms in the observable universe...
@fromach
@fromach 3 жыл бұрын
Even though this is on the same level as knowing what the slowest possible stamina regen is in Dark Souls 3, this still taught me something.
@Lembo101
@Lembo101 3 жыл бұрын
Come for the RCT2 guides, stay for the combinatorics.
@LeeSmith-cf1vo
@LeeSmith-cf1vo 3 жыл бұрын
If you think that's big, try looking in to graham's number. Then, when you've recovered from that, look into tree(3)
@PandoraSystem
@PandoraSystem 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite number is TREE(TREE(G64))
@foodkarppa
@foodkarppa 3 жыл бұрын
I think my brain just melted a bit
@ChiefLink
@ChiefLink 3 жыл бұрын
This park is really incomprehensibly variable!
@ABaumstumpf
@ABaumstumpf 3 жыл бұрын
WolframAlpha ? You could try the free-trial of their underlying software mathematica.
@ARMIV4
@ARMIV4 3 жыл бұрын
When I downloaded RCT2, I never imagined it would be the game that would get me to lay in bed thinking of all the possible land decorations that outnumber the age of our universe... And how I can try and work that into a themed roller-coaster that's good value!
@veryyelloo4130
@veryyelloo4130 3 жыл бұрын
Marcel does math again!
@himynameisben95
@himynameisben95 3 жыл бұрын
This is existentially terrifying.
@Lemon_Inspector
@Lemon_Inspector 3 жыл бұрын
This means you can encode information as RCT2 landscapes at about 18.8 bits per tile, so a 254x254 map could hold about 150Kb of data. You could save a small RCT2 map as a bigger RCT2 map!
@theplasmawolf
@theplasmawolf 3 жыл бұрын
If you start taking symmetry into account, you no longer have 19 tile formations, but only 6 (flat, one corner raised, 2 adjacent corners raised, 2 opposite corners raised, 3 corners raised, 1 corner raised by 2). The top height only admits flat, the second-to-top admits 5 formations, and all below admit 6. This gives a total of 180 different height formations (instead of 567). When we check height with its possible water combinations, the total number of land + water combinations possible is 2616 (instead of 8281). Adding the 56 terrain options, the total combinations on a single tile would be 146496. The point is that bringing in symmetry in your calculations can make for an easier time. The second point is that the group-theoretical approach of problem solving is fun - for me :) Of course, a park with a certain tile changed (e.g. north corner raised instead south corner raised) is physically a different park, but you can now describe them in 'classes', which makes it a lot easier to describe them.
@killerbee.13
@killerbee.13 3 жыл бұрын
The symmetric arrangements of individual tiles don't really make a difference though, because if you take a park, and rotate one tile, it's a different park. For symmetry, you'd have to consider the entire park at once, and the difference from the assymetric calculation would be division by some number less than 8 (because each park can have up to 4 rotations + 4 mirrored rotations, but some parks will actually already be symmetric so they won't have all 8 possibilities, meaning that the average must be less than 8.)
@nthgth
@nthgth 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like Randall Munroe would love this video.
@Nerdchacho
@Nerdchacho 3 жыл бұрын
"Some are lovely landscapes, some are works of art and most are completely random" This is literally a working version of "give enough monkeys enough typewriters and enough time, one of them will write Shakespeare"
@finaldusk1821
@finaldusk1821 3 жыл бұрын
This makes me feel like I'm watching MatPat calculate the number of possible Mario Maker levels all over again... Great work on your calculations and presentation!
@nospmohtracso
@nospmohtracso 3 жыл бұрын
excuse me, that random park landscape you flashed on screen for about 5 seconds is a thing of absolute beauty
@nospmohtracso
@nospmohtracso 3 жыл бұрын
competition idea: each contestant has to build a park on their own randomly generated landscape
@bungalo50
@bungalo50 3 жыл бұрын
It is estimated there is around 4.65 x 10^185 *Planck Volumes* in the observable universe
@joshuahellier4093
@joshuahellier4093 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, you've basically ended up performing Statistical Mechanics-style calculations in trying to do this. If you're having trouble finding sensible calculators online, I'd highly recommend taking logarithms and using Stirling's approximation; that way you can keep track of these insane numbers by hand :) .
@MaxArceus
@MaxArceus 3 жыл бұрын
TLDW version: A lot
@MisterDutch93
@MisterDutch93 3 жыл бұрын
I think we can say that the possible amount of different park layouts is close to infinity? When numbers get incomprehensibly big like this, there is no other way to put it.
@Lemon_Inspector
@Lemon_Inspector 3 жыл бұрын
It's not even close to infinity. As a matter of fact, most numbers are bigger than this one. It's a below average sized number.
@MisterDutch93
@MisterDutch93 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lemon_Inspector :(
@lumindoesvideos
@lumindoesvideos 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that there wasn't a calculator strong enough to handle the calculations you had to do was great.
@smitias_8474
@smitias_8474 3 жыл бұрын
Good video to show how even when we can see that number of possibilities are obviously limited, it doesn't mean that our efforts in creating something within them are futile. Most of possibilities are gibberish, unlike our creations, and what you create still has incomprehensibly low chance of existing somewhere else.
@TheMightyDozen
@TheMightyDozen 3 жыл бұрын
9:05 Actually, I just realized that with a bit of clever math you can still estimate this number if you're going for a max size park, and with what I got, the number should be approximately 5.31 * 10^602529. For those who are curious, I used Stirling's Approximation and some logarithm rules to arrive at this.
@ashlingabysspayne1863
@ashlingabysspayne1863 3 жыл бұрын
I love it when Marcel does math videos. I really liked the launched coaster g-forces video too.
@meier1ra
@meier1ra 3 жыл бұрын
I love the music. I saw the link to the outro music--it's amazing. Is there a link to the full length background music anywhere? I love how meditative it is and would love a longer version (like your background music).
@andersonklein3587
@andersonklein3587 3 жыл бұрын
Assuming perfect compression ( which is not the case, but close ) the complexity, or number of possible permutations, for a park of a given size with a given number of items, should, in theory, be similar to your file size. So, if your file size 10 bytes, that's 256^10 possible permutations. If the save file is 1MB, that is 256^1,000,000 permutations. That logic similarly applies to other games as well. On that note, Vsauce has an amazing video on the topic of what "all possible permutations" really means, and it's absolutely crazy, I believe it's his episode about whether we will ever run out of new music.
@PhilipMurphy8Extra
@PhilipMurphy8Extra 3 жыл бұрын
Roller Coaster Tycoon 2 is more advanced in maths then the calculators folks, You learn something new each week with Marcus.
@Aaahrg
@Aaahrg 3 жыл бұрын
When math finaly makes fun ;)
@Eric4372
@Eric4372 3 жыл бұрын
Mathematician: Welcome to combinatorics! Enjoy your stay!
@Blauefrucht
@Blauefrucht 3 жыл бұрын
Just a little thing to think about. Do you count rotations and mirror images of landscapes as unique or the same?
@LeeSmith-cf1vo
@LeeSmith-cf1vo 3 жыл бұрын
I think it would make a difference of dividing by 4. Which is just nothing in the grand scheme of things.
@boudewijnb
@boudewijnb 3 жыл бұрын
That doesnt really matter. You'd need to divide by 8, which is irrelevant when we're dealing with power this big
@Blauefrucht
@Blauefrucht 3 жыл бұрын
​@@boudewijnb Just to be clear. I'm not suggesting, that it will remove 10.000 orders of magnitude. But the answer is given with 4 significant digits and I just wanted to give you something to think about. And by the way, neither dividing by 4 or by 8 is the right answer.
@K-o-R
@K-o-R 3 жыл бұрын
3:20 My RCT1 brain is going "Where's the sandstone and metal walls?"
@Meadras
@Meadras 3 жыл бұрын
Marcel Vos is starting to sound an awful lot like Marcel V-Sos here
@jjj0309
@jjj0309 3 жыл бұрын
Average person: "There are more possible moves in Go than the numbers of atoms in the universe!" Marcel Vos:
@Bacony_Cakes
@Bacony_Cakes 3 жыл бұрын
That's some nice pixel art.
@Amechaniaa
@Amechaniaa 3 жыл бұрын
You should call it the RCTplex
@crabman3144
@crabman3144 2 жыл бұрын
Next episode: Marcel gets a government supercomputer to calculate the total number pf possible park permutations.
@hovikgasparyan9729
@hovikgasparyan9729 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Your cogwheel example assumes that the maximum number of scenery items must be used. If you count the combinations where less the maximum number are used, you would go up by at least another 10^100,000,000
@ComradeLeanna
@ComradeLeanna 3 жыл бұрын
Me watching the video: I like your funny words magic man
@southa.1303
@southa.1303 3 жыл бұрын
5:54 Is the best park landscape I've ever seen
@LeDuudex2
@LeDuudex2 3 жыл бұрын
Marcel Vos our RCT2 Mathteacher :D
@daanwilmer
@daanwilmer 3 жыл бұрын
Another way of putting visualizing the sheer stupidity of this number: the number of possible landscapes of parks of size 4x4 already exceeds the number of atoms in the universe by a factor of 10 billion (give or take).
@SupersuMC
@SupersuMC 3 жыл бұрын
My jaw is on the floor.
@emsouemsou
@emsouemsou 3 жыл бұрын
5:57 If you don't stare too closely it looks similar to the children's rugs that have streets and buildings on them. Similar bright color scheme!
@fernbedek6302
@fernbedek6302 3 жыл бұрын
Let’s convince mathematicians to draw official number names from this. They’re nerdy enough to agree to it.
@vertujoe2886
@vertujoe2886 3 жыл бұрын
a new RCT video from Marcel always brighten a boring day.
@DutchDeLorean
@DutchDeLorean 3 жыл бұрын
This is madness! Good job.
@triplej755
@triplej755 3 жыл бұрын
How long did it take you to make 5:56? That is dedication.
@NarokathCrimzonAE
@NarokathCrimzonAE 3 жыл бұрын
That park is growing on me. I want to play on it :(
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