HOW MUCH DID MY 720S COST?

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[@TGE]

Does McLaren have a future? Where have they gone wrong? Have you had one but think they’re great? Continue the debate right here: www.qutee.com/q/future-of-mclaren/

[@Adam-jd8gz]

i think if the owners drove their own as much as shmee does then there could be less problems with the car because some are track cars for the road

[@TGE]

Nonsensical but thanks for your input

[@yomiyama7093]

Adam Apthorpe they have to work everyday for that money. But i understand your point.

[@footballgeorgiebest]

Hi Tom, It’s McLaren, there’s good news and there’s bad news. The good news is we have a press car for you...

[@drluisgoncalves]

Don't cry. Sometimes you lose, sometimes you win. That's life!

[@jjdtv7428]

The 2 things you can see from space: - The Great Wall of China - Mclaren Panel Gap 😂

[@popsbubbles1242]

🤣😂

[@moneyparhar]

Lamo

[@bena9251]

That’s why I decided not to buy one and stick with my Vauxhall Corsa.

[@tomfield8766]

Ben A sensible, probs more reliable 😂

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

I've done exactly the same with my Peugeot 106 diesel

[@hazemgiballi]

Ben A 👌🏻😂

[@theSammyM333]

My Raleigh is more reliable and faster in the city.

[@alpinepdclimbing9130]

To save everyone 22 mins He lost £5k

[@Tential1]

You the real hero.

[@brianplum1825]

Thank you! I scrolled down to look for a comment like yours after seeing the length of the video.

[@jamiebird8302]

Well done, thanks for saving me from another boring rant….

[@kk-tq6ss]

wow...dean's been dealing in supercars for 30 or so years? that makes him what...late 40's early 50's??? that's a real shock for me since he looks kinda young

[@ApfelNicknack]

Moz.art._ I thought he’s about 40 at max

[@djw48]

That’s what money does......

[@deandmb5201]

I’m 42 next week 👍🏻 I am old 😂

[@lifeofeml]

@@deandmb5201 face and body of a twenty year old. It's that Yorkshire Tea and Harrogate Spa Water.

[@povlifewithautism9125]

Exactly my first thought deans dealt cars 30 years !! Deffo aged well unless he started at 5

[@fourwheeltrader]

I do a lot of depreciation analyses on my channel and also did one for the 720s. To be honest, the depreciation is steep at around EUR 23k per year. It is, however, flattening and I think that prices will bottom. Having said that, EUR 23k (about 20% of its new price) is a normal depreciation rate when compared with 'ordinary cars'. The problem arises when you start to compare it to its most important peers (porsche and ferrari). These are mostly depreciating less than 20% in their first year. Like TGE also mentions in the video, this is because these brands are controlling the lifecycles and production numbers. On the contrary, brands like audi (R8) and Lamborghini (Huracan) are managing their production similar to Mclaren and, as a result, also depreciate around 20% in their first year. I guess brands will do a cost-benefit analysis to figure out which route to go. For a brand as Mclaren to which supercars are the bread and butter of their business, I would expect a more long term view to create loyal customers.

[@gavlar111]

Is 20% VAT counted as depreciation? People say "drive out the showroom and its lost £££'s" but most things for sale in the UK has VAT

[@fourwheeltrader]

@@gavlar111 Sure that's true. The 20%, however, refers to changes in dealer asking prices.

[@sanghoonlee5171]

McLaren reviews are glowing. McLaren owner testimonies are horror.

[@TGE]

Yep

[@mrdanielknight]

Oddly your 720s was mentioned at Geneva. According to the dealer they offered you a replacement and you turned it down. In their eyes you were always going to flip the car which is why they played hardball.

[@Olivereo02]

Mr Daniel Knight knew something was odd about it

[@Jay-tc9on]

Why else would he trash it so much. Its faster than anything else he owns. It drives better than a pista. It’s faster cheaper looks cooler.

[@ApfelNicknack]

Jay it’s certainly not faster and looks are subjective also if you had paid attention you would know that the Pista (if he got it for list price) is by far cheaper to own as it holds it’s money or even appreciates

[@mrdanielknight]

Just to clarify, I'm not accusing TGE of lying, I am only repeating a conversation I had with the same dealer about Car KZbinrs and my own McLaren video.

[@TGE]

Mr Daniel Knight nice to hear they’re being professional as always discussing my business, not to mention that’s a pile of rubbish. Exactly why I would never buy from a McLaren dealership again

[@A5hTriX]

This video gets me really excited... Hopefully I'll get a Mclaren 720s in 4 years for 40k 😂

[@willpowr416]

summer of 2023 mine! 😂😂😂

[@BUMHEAD1100]

Andrei Andrei2 130 now..... call us back at 100k ?

[@anoot977]

Lmao same

[@ukspecialistwatches2274]

Had a 12 month old 570s which blew its top and had to have a brand new engine fitted on warranty... would never go back to them unfortunately 🌚

[@Rafz90]

I work for McLaren and i’m watching aaaaand you’re right.. they don’t like you, they talk about you in their lunch breaks which is Chaos but i’m happy because more than likely the managers are going to call in sick tomorrow so they can sit together with their hands under their creased trousers and watch this video - Which means all i have to do at work tomorrow is observe all the cars sitting in the showroom making sure nomore than 1 car is on fire at any given moment.

[@deadlydizzle7588]

Is it true that everyone that works at McLaren has a fire marshals certificate as a necessity of qualification? 🤔

[@Rafz90]

Deadly Dizzle All the employees have to wear fire proof suits and keep a mini fire extinguisher tied to our backs. I have to get mine filled every couple days, that’s how much i have to use it.

[@brentpowell7889]

I am McLaren Owner and only can give you my experience, first of all I am not going to say that some owners haven’t had issues with there cars, it’s obvious there have been problems. McLaren are a new brand compared to the other established brands , Ferrari, Porsche etc, they have come along way in 10 years, yes mistakes have been made. However my car has been faultless , no issues at all. They are an incredible car to drive and offer a full on super car experience. Finally let’s not forget Porsche GT3 Gen 1 engine issues, all of these had to be replaced , Ferrari 458 also started to catch fire, my Bentley had loads of issues with failing coil packs. The McLaren owners club are working with McLaren giving loads of feed back both negative and positive. I am confident McLaren will continue to improve all aspects of ownership. Finally hasn’t Archie’s plastic rear windscreen in his GT3 RS started popping out ? 😳 Maybe Porsche are using the wrong glue 😂

[@Jamesduce]

Same here! 12C Spider 25k Miles faultless and now 720S 6k Miles so far faultless.

[@rodwilliams7763]

@@Jamesduce faultless here too - 2015 650 Spider with 10k+ miles. I avoided Ferrari's 458 due to all the fires they had and what I regard as a terrible brand image, though I know some will disagree on that.

[@bobf354]

Yes Porsche replaced the engines of the '14 GT3, and gave a 10 year /12000 mile per year warranty on the ENTIRE engine, not just the finger-follower that caused the problem. What would McLaren have done? ......crickets

[@Peter-MH]

Can’t get around the fact that this is pretty much hypercar performance for supercar money! They look amazing - easily a match for long established supercar brands like Ferrari & Lamborghini. Obviously they’re had teething issues, & they were changing the designs way too much initially, but whatever - stunning cars!

[@tegoautomotiveproducts5222]

I own a 675LT spider and 720s among other cars from Porsche and Ferrari and I absolutely love my Mclarens. I’ve had zero issues outside of a tonneau cover adjustment on the LT. Not sure if your problems with the dealers is a UK issue or not but here in the United States my experience with them has been fantastic. I will say their depreciation is horrific but I believe some of that has to do with the 12C/650s debacle with people thinking the 650s was a new model rather than a refresh. Hopefully that’ll all get sorted out in time. In terms of the cars themselves, right now I believe they are head and shoulders above Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, et al in terms of performance and feel....especially their LT series.

[@javiersalas1606]

Verrry controversial lad. We like this

[@lukeslater3469]

Dean’s facial expressions while TGE is talking ARE CHAOS😜😝😛.

[@jonathang8263]

Great video TGE. Don't blame you one bit for dumping the 720S. Tempted as I am to buy one now at current prices, stories like yours (and there are plenty) still put me off.

[@tejbirsinghbaidwan]

Sold before it turned into a something you could roast marshmallows on,I say that’s a positive lad 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@hehebotch1107]

I have a 570s spyder, had it for about 9 months put 4k miles on it, had absolutely no troubles with it. Love it compared to the 488 and Hurucan, and everytime I look at it it puts a smile on my face. Also it's choas with the sports exhaust and open air. Anyway thought i would put my experience out there. It also has dropped in value quite a bit but I knew that before going into it. Also not sure what's next if anyone has a thought. Cheers

[@jeremytournissoux5161]

Hehe Botch Performante Spyder?

[@craigmccreath3182]

The real question is how much money will McLaren loose because of you and your antics👀👀HURRY UP AND F12 TDF

[@ggoozzii]

Drove a Toyota 86 on the track and no panel fit issues no opening closing issues etc. A ton of fun and you have enough money left over to buy a house !

[@andrewpretswell2885]

Dean said he has driven many different super cars over the years. My question would be what are his favourite cars within each price point and why

[@rorywheeldon1623]

I watched a poor guy with his 720s in Leicester Services M1 NB, He filled it up, locked it, went to pay at the night service window, Got back to the car and he could'nt unlock it. He spent 5 minutes trying, then eventually it let him in and it wouldnt start! 30 minutes until it eventually started. I felt sorry for him, 6ft 5" and he must of been 25 stone, A big Asian lad, He was in bits climbing in and out, poor sod.

[@TGE]

Yep. These cars are terrible.

[@barrybritcher]

25stone I would guess Prince Naseem Hamid but he's short. Lol

[@adamkahn1513]

Redline just use TGE and Archie to sell cars... Redline’s customer service is appalling.

[@deandmb5201]

Adam Kahn really ???

[@nicholasharris826]

I know someone who bought a 12c, brand new from McLaren, the car kept steering off course and shuddering, it turned out the front wheels were essentially “pigeon toed”. That’s the best way I can describe it, they weren’t parallel

[@MRVSKIN]

Great video. Maclaren need to get their customer service sorted out as they are ABSOLUTELY shocking. With regards to the fires. It reminds me when the 458 Italian came out. They had a ton of fires as well as the aventador. But McLaren get you’re customer service sorted out and listen to you’re customers

[@Zed_Zone]

Fair play fella.. Honest video which other KZbinrs just wouldn't do!

[@peterdurnell3325]

On the subject of depreciation, 68 plate BMW i8 5k miles £59k at my local BMW dealership today 😂

[@rahimk687]

Insert Witty Name damn right

[@tomellis4230]

I had a guy enquire on a Bentley we had in stock, he was 22k backwards on his PCP with his I8. He had gone way over mileage, but the depreciation was just astronomical.

[@4eff79]

Same car they're driving is now on sale £142,990. Only £35k in 9 months and £150k off list......

[@Chrissy-H]

Good honest video, a change of approach is needed. When brands start to fail, the response is always 'churn churn churn', lower quality, higher margins, f**k the customer service. Its short-sighted and not sustainable. A brand reputation lasts forever, financial statements only last a minute.

[@niallevans4008]

Valid points, the key not working would be more acceptable on something like my second car which was a 2007 Clio 197cup but not a £250k McLaren. Just disappointing really.

[@SpeedingTube]

Some very valid points, I also believe McLaren are more exposed to a UK downturn as the brand doesn't have the same rich old money demographic as Porsche and Ferrari. For high income guys, expensive toys are the first things to go when income drops and McLaren have released more new models during this volatile UK economic window than any of the other luxury brands. London house prices, UK GDP, Sterling weakness...all of these things scare new money. McLaren need to focus less on spin off models and more on the luxury owner experience. The £10k lost key scenario is exactly the kind of experience that people with choice won't tolerate for very long.

[@petewhite9997]

I love my 570S... But have to get rid of it (unfortunately)... Spider purchased for $245k (pre-tax)... Done 5k miles in 15 months... Just been offered $155k from the dealer. The depreciation is brutal - I knew it was going to happen.. But so bad! On the other side, as TGE said, you can get one hell of a car for $170k with a 3 year Warrenty! No regrets though.

[@CarDaddy24]

Wow man, sorry to hear you will loose so much... GLWS. Why do you have to get rid of it?

[@petewhite9997]

Moving back to the UK from US... Funny enough within a stones throw from McLaren. I'm gonna get another one eventually - but not new!!!

[@chrispom306]

Ironically, the first ad before the video was a McLaren one for me, top banter, top churns

[@craigashley2711]

Great video mate ...... not many people would talk up like you have so others are aware of the actual issues happening and the how poorly your treated when you tell them their cars have faults........

[@justarandomstickminwithaha6984]

It's kinda sad when people think cars is some kind of investment.If u learn accounting,u should know that car always in liability side and not in investment. Unless the car is some kind of ultra rare or antique. Cars meant to drive not to sit in garage for longer than your driving period

[@adamL1196]

A car is an asset, not liability 🤔

[@justarandomstickminwithaha6984]

@@adamL1196 LoL it is an asset for a short answer xD... but for a long answer it's a NO because it is different type of asset,most of cars depreciate a lot and loose a lot of value and continues to go loosing value. All of my accounting lectures said that cars always on liability and bad investment. If ur looking for a true asset,ur looking at land,house,cash and gold that hold their value and will increase in value over time

[@adamL1196]

Plzkillme _ so it’s a depreciating asset, not a liability. Liability would suggest they owe something.

[@justarandomstickminwithaha6984]

@@adamL1196 1) now days ur buying cars on loan 2) that's put the loan in liability as u have to pay account payable 3)When it comes to loan u have to pay for the interest fee,thats also liability 4)As u paid the loan,the car depreciate 5)after u paid all the loan and interest,when the times come u want to sell the car 6)The car u sold had book value is lower than your purchase price/loan infact u paid for the interest 7)in the end of the day u loose money and that's in liability 8) liability is where your cash flow is out which mean ur loosing money.

[@justarandomstickminwithaha6984]

@@adamL1196 it's not hard to figure which side is asset or liability, I'm an investment analysis student myself of course know what an investment and asset are

[@drew9312]

Refreshingly honest (more than some other KZbinrs on this 😉). Thank you Mr TGE.

[@jonathangould1255]

Interesting video. Love the grown up factual content. Interesting insight into ownership and the dealerships.

[@maurizioarrivabene8182]

Mclaren desperately needs to address the fires and take massive action to regain trust in the brand. I havent heard anything from them regarding their cars' problems

[@tompog897]

Sold a 720s on Facebook, now that’s a video title 😂

[@alekspen]

The cars are catching fire so they can deplete stock levels lad, can't leave the cars in these hangers forever. It's a McLaren conspiracy ya flog. Love from Australia

[@torbster]

I’m surprised Dean took part of this, he sells these things!! Couldn’t help feel for him being sat there while you gave your honest opinion.

[@TGE]

I said it’s the best bang for buck you can buy at their market price. He doesn’t sell them at a main dealer new rrp- he’s actually the best guy to buy from!

[@bigchrisinbristol]

Fair comments. Hopefully they improve where they need to as it would be great to see British brands doing amazingly!!

[@leversam05]

Great video clearing it all up. Also that picture at the end is CASH 💰 💰

[@johnprince6640]

well thought out analysis, enjoyed vid.

[@ru6886]

I remember the live-stream you did when you revealed you sold it

[@MrDavidfball]

someone said Mclaren has a bad reputation as a company to work for so have a high turnover of staff, this leads to poorly trained staff that in return leads to reduced quality and reliability, like many companies right now staff are easy to replace yet they forget their replacements need training and a period to settle in and feel at home

[@beyonder1768]

My 720S was my second Mclaren. MSRP brand new was 395K and I just sold it for 250K with 6000miles on it. Car is one year old. That's fucking mental. I'll never buy an exotic car new again. You are right, after Mclaren's severely depreciate, they make for good value cars. But Mclaren's business model is totally daft.

[@craignowell876]

Picture at the end of video is CHAOS!! Any chance of a US trip and video with Solamondrin any time soon. Unless Shmee beats you to it ofcourse 😂

[@MultiMb77]

Holy hell, a really positive and sensible video about Mclaren, I love the brand, but I am glad I got out of my 570 as they have dropped like a stone. I would buy another but probably an older one with Thorney warranty 👍

[@R-Tap]

Love Dean Redline's Heuer Monaco. A real car guys timepiece. I'll tell you what Tom, the Mclaren looks good on you from behind the wheel!

[@bambychoi9366]

Most of us are in agreement that McLaren’s performance is right up there with the very best in class and I personally think they look mega - so on paper they’re hugely desirable, but their long term (and recently short term) reliability is now questioned which in turn will affect how well these cars hold value, particularly after warranty.

[@yourmum7106]

Hi i work at McLaren and they talk about you all day, pretty much the only thing they talk about because they are so far up their ass'. Keep doing what you do because obviously you're doing something right

[@elliotcrosby379]

You work at McLaren and you’re KZbin name is ‘your mum’ ?

[@alexioflexio8818]

@@elliotcrosby379 if he did work at mclaren, that would make sense for obvious reasons. if he didn't, it would also make sense for obvious reasons.

[@yourmum7106]

@@alexioflexio8818 you're smart

[@alexioflexio8818]

@@yourmum7106 that's what the board at Mclaren thinks also (if i could you the half of it this whole exchange would be 10x as funny to you)

[@888mf4]

It's hard to ignore a 720S at around £170,000

[@pablodoocey5770]

Tom says it hows it is..I for one trust his opinion and will be deffo buying a car from dean as I feel he is trustworthy and has proper spec cars..respect tom

[@BarryMakariou]

Unfortunately you are right unless you’ve bought a P1 everyone I know who has bought a Mclaren has lost on every occasion! Doesn’t matter how rich you are no one likes to loose money

[@stephentaylor7314]

McLaren made to many cars to quickly and never nailed the basics of a public car brand. We should only be now upto the 720s now.

[@phantom2k10]

as much as i like mclaren,the honesty and the fact you keep it real is appreciated.what would you say about the 600 and 675lt though?

[@VelvetEars_]

I think the execs at McLaren need to slow down, I know first hand working in the automotive industry that timing is always tight trying to compete with with the competitors and get a car out on "time". Rushing to SOP always ends up in issues with initial vehicle builds.

[@ChrisHudsonVlogs]

Deans face......he is trying to sell that 720s 😂😂

[@roberthart1336]

Tom that 812 N Largo is nothing but carnage would love to see something like that at some point

[@dernawey]

brutal truth , comments well noted

[@itslukkeee]

Surely Dean must use Olay Anti-Aging Cream

[@EAD_0]

ive been looking forward to this ! great work and i’m only 2 minutes in !

[@TheIantonna]

Such a great brand with great cars! It is a pity they are doing this, first get the dealerships and services up to standard, then make sure the quality center is upgraded to make sure cars are double checked before going on the road. Reliability and aftersales are VERY important.

[@TheIantonna]

@I it is for lots of people though

[@yeohooooonyoon]

I completely agree about the pr side of mclaren. Just look at salomondrin. Not saying he was the best customer, but the way he was treated for all these years by them tells you something, especially with all the money he spent on them and how he's not the only guy who've been poorly treated by the brand

[@ultragoyim1270]

177k for a 720 fully specced, or 230k for a new 600lt? Their pricing is inconsistent given the market, they don’t comment on quality concern of their products either. That sure is a lot to ask from your customer, to play lottery with their cash and possible die in crash. Yikes mcclaren. Manny koshbin got a speedtail recently, probably has that same v8+electric motors priced at 2mil with uncertain quality. It’s kinda funny seeing how long they can keep this secrecy and non-action up. They’re customers are billionaires and millionaires lol they will bring a solution to mclaren’s benefit or not

[@DonFather]

Here's a golden piece of advice. Get a keyring that says monetary bonus guaranteed if returned, with your phone # on it (I got 1). They prolly sell those online. You are welcome.

[@abs-xt1qc]

Watched your first drive video on the Pista (love the car) and liked the look of your Piloti’s so much I promptly bought a pair of the light grey suede ones....Dean has them too. Very nice! Good and fair video...keep churning to a tdf or CGT! #ridgecutcrisps

[@TGE]

Now then 💪

[@gentnextdoor]

My family live in Surrey and so I want McLaren to do well, I do think they should slow it down a bit. That depreciation is crazy.. how can a 600 LT already lose £50k? That's not good enough... they must slow down. Suppose their investors and shareholders would think otherwise... even Aston Martin is struggling to sell cars its tough out there

[@JonnyBradley]

Could have churned another ad or two in this one ;)

[@adammoxham1974]

30 seconds in “engine light turns on” They look at each other dying inside😂😭

[@michagarwolinski8270]

I think it was nose lift

[@TheChrisglasgow]

@@michagarwolinski8270 Was battery warning light.

[@mrs2741]

@ 6:20! Im so proud of you, you had to fight the urge so hard not to make a comment 😂🤣😂👌🏻

[@cestusfr]

12:45 thank you for telling like it is about the engine etc...

[@FavrrYT]

Bloody hell that McLaren chimes more than a church bell 🔔 Grand video as always my lamb

[@DonBarracuda117]

I still want one, just won't be an early adopter of a new model. Hopefully they have/are addressing their customer service. Sounds like you have to have an incident on the M25 and have an exec drive past to have something get done immediately.

[@danielsinyatkin_]

TheDonBarracuda seems pretty specific hahaha

[@DonBarracuda117]

@@danielsinyatkin_ Yes, I was referring to Shmee's incident which was fortunately just cosmetic damage.

[@davidyoungson9162]

I like that your vocal you have a platform to show this up!

[@officialpetrolheadtv]

My first ever video was you’re collection day of this! Loved meeting you , Paul , Archie and tony 👍🏻

[@stuartlloyd-jones9583]

Dean in the industry for 30+ years. Found the fountain of youth by chance..

[@Happyclapper]

30 years experience selling cars and he makes an advert with a KZbin influencer slagging off his product, either I’m missing something or this was a very ill conceived idea.

[@leezo2123]

I think Dean mentioned in the vlog he has his own issues with mclaren so that's when it started to make sence for me!!

[@deandmb5201]

Hi Mark, I wasn’t slagging off the brand I listened to Toms opinions, we as an independent dealer are selling these cars now that have deprecated and represent great value now.

[@Happyclapper]

Dean Redline Hi Dean, Please don’t take my comment as in anyway an attack on you personally, I meant Tom was the one killing McLaren not you. Mate, from a sales point of view this was a very bad idea. Tom clearly isn’t an advocate of the brand so why make a video with him trashing a car you are trying to sell? If I’m missing something here please explain I’m always willing to learn.

[@neilpatching7443]

Some very good points there lad...how about Vehicle Virgins Parker and his McLaren how many windscreen has he had now. Bloody crazy. Love the new photo at the end there too matey. Cheers 👍👍

[@gieltimmermans]

I You, with your purple profile pic, are literally everywhere

[@markjones338]

McLaren are building a new showroom in a park and ride in Leeds That’s how good they are lmao

[@kungfublob5951]

I had the same issue with a 720S. It was not turning on the ignition. So I did what everyone does, (restarted it) closed everything and locked the car, waited 10 seconds and unlocked, it worked.

[@briggs713]

@ 6:15 validates everything you're about say. LOLOL

[@robclaridge743]

I'm in Australia - only 4 Mclaren dealerships here. Car is a rarity. Customer service is second to none. Apart from new tyres and a service it is the best car ever. My Ferrari was great to keep polished in the garage and discuss with mates - shit on the road and I knew every three months it would be in the dealership having repairs done. Just saying.... opinions

[@TrungNguyen-zl6hd]

A big Mac combo would be such a better deal! Owned a british car 40 years ago,i know!

[@krisi.2011]

I hear there hell when it comes time to warranty and if you do anything to the car it voids the warranty

[@Rascallucci]

The reliability issues are legit, especially for the 720S. Just look amongst the KZbinrs alone, there are TGE TV, MoreThanCars and Anishvin, all of whom had massive issues with the car. To make things even worse, McLaren has been absolutely appalling in dealing with such cases. And when you add on top of that the ridiculous depreciation rate, forget about it, is just not worth the pain. Having said that, if I am not wrong, all of the 3 cases above had early launch cars, may be the newer cars have better build quality perhaps? As for the fire issue, that I don't know what to say especially when it happens to such a higher end car like the Senna. For me, I have never liked McLaren anyway, so it doesn't really affect me. But, I can see how it can be a big problem for the fans of the brand.

[@digi051669]

Thank you for the frank review of McLaren

[@Trollhater-mb8ne]

Best video for a while 👌🏻not that the rest are bad

[@alastair5860]

Seemed fair, McLaren will hate it still, but good to see that you didnt take the (easy) opportunity to slag off the car and brand

[@guitarinsanity1]

👏🏻 like the honesty, new sub 👍🏻

[@MrJdp1968]

McLaren make great cars, customer service and reliability let them down

[@onkouth]

I think a lot of early adopters maybe expected their McLarens to be McLaren F1 quality and prestige, that was an entirety different company to the modern McLaren Automotive and that was never going to be the case. I think what you said about them churning was spot on, they just throw together cars which are technically brilliant but seriously lacking in build quality and then to make matters worse, they are hugely expensive to fix. Even worse again is from what I can gather they practically disown their older cars and virtually recommend people get rid of them and replace them with a new McLaren, well I’m sorry, these are ridiculously expensive cars not mobile phones. I don’t think they will survive with their business model and that seems to be the case now, no proper car guys want them and they don’t have anything from their recent history that will become a classic so they will die!

[@antoniodias8088]

Dean seems like a genuinely nice lad

[@bob808]

Oddly, in Australia, the 488 is _typically_ cheaper than the 720S (year, km, spec dependant). There is only one McLaren dealer in Sydney, so if you don't get along with the dealer... you're screwed. Mind, Ferrari only has two dealers in Sydney. Given the local market, and the 7 years of free service from Ferrari... I'd have a 488.

[@robparky2029]

People are spending a wedge on these McLaren's and there catching fire and having other problems!!! Totally not acceptable and it's been refreshing your honesty lad 👍👍!

[@kayineson4220]

I want them to turn themselves around, it’s like they made the mp4-12c and everyone went mad then they built and built, they have so much history and heritage I want them to stop building and take a couple of years out, sort the issues and actually deal with the problems. Then come back with something. But who knows what will happen

[@Fabio31Rider]

TGE do you think that a certain popular carvloger who has a certain fetish for blue cars has had such a good experience with the brand, as he seems to make it Look?

[@hakonvilvang]

Well, i Dont think he would buy like £1,8mill worth of McLarens if he wasnt happy With McLaren as a company :)

[@onkouth]

Being one of the top influencers in the car world, I doubt very much he has the same problems getting them to fix his broken McLarens as some poor chap who has broken the bank to to buy a 570s, in fact it’s a little bit sickening how he goes on about how much he loves them and how great they are, sounds more like sponsorship to me. There are many problems with them but the biggest seems to be their lack of respect for their average customer!

[@Fabio31Rider]

@@onkouth I think you might be right. He seems to be like a living advertisement for them, and in exchange, they offer him limited production models.

[@nicholaslee633]

onkouth haha I think an owner of a 570s isn’t a “poor” chap 😂

[@barrybritcher]

Smeagol

[@davidhunternyc1]

McLaren has to do four things: First) Make cars to order. Do not make any car that is not ordered and specified by the customer. Second) Make perfect cars. Period. Zero flaws. If Porsche by Singer can do it, McLaren can too. Third) Offer a 5 year fully-transferable bumper-to-bumper warranty to shore up resale value. If a car breaks in the middle of nowhere McLaren better fly in on a helicopter and fix the car with zero cost to the customer. It's the only way McLaren is going to rescue their reputation. Fourth) Be professional. Be kind. Be caring. Be genuine. Really, are these four things that difficult to do?