How Much Difference Does A Stiff Bar Make?

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[@InfoRanker]

When you lift as little as me, the bar is a non factor.

[@devthegod298]

Same

[@joemfahey]

Get a deadlift bar and put all bumpers on it

[@echols2010]

Disagree used deadlift bar today 4 first time and was able to rep out way more then normally, also first time using bumper plates

[@sophiemaupillier2285]

Same

[@gn01167661]

How little is little though

[@jacobwilhide1189]

That subscriber highlight is insane. He didnt struggle a single bit with that 475 lb squat

[@watermelon1221]

xD

[@CJHan]

Yeah looks like an RPE 8 lool.

[@Lucas-tg3hv]

@@CJHan that's your RPE 8? Looks RPE like 3-4 to me

[@CJHan]

@@Lucas-tg3hv That's nice.

[@watgoatse]

Looked like he could squat 525 tbh

[@boxman_ninja0819]

Thanks for watching and today's subscriber highlight is from Eddie. Eddie managed to deadlift 500 kilogram with a deadlift suit. See you next time.

[@simonkhsonne]

That would be quiet funny ngl.

[@laamala99]

@@simonkhsonne ".... with just 78kg body weight. See you next time."

[@PCSExponent]

@@laamala99 I'm officially dead

[@hillweggs641]

@@PCSExponent no you aren't

[@sgberta]

I think it may make a bigger difference for a sumo puller than a conventional. In sumo, the bottom half of the lift is hardest, which is where the deadlift bar helps by allowing you to start in a slightly higher position, but in conventional, the top half of the lift is hardest, where it doesn’t matter what bar you’re using.

[@basmca1]

This also combines with a generally smaller grip of the sumo deadlift making the bar flex even more. And a sumo deaflift is a shorter movement to start with, meaning that every centimeter less that the weight has to travel is a bigger % of gain.

[@strikingitrich7630]

Interesting

[@finestjellybeansrawlol9486]

I remember someone breaking down the stances and looked at the IPF versus feds that allow a deadlift bar and what they found is that the IPF has much more conventional pullers at the top of the pile than feds using DL/noodle bars. Iirc on a stiff bar it basically seems like a none factor while on the flexible bars sumo pullers are way out in front

[@jabileeric5061]

That subscriber's squat looked effortless. Wowza.

[@lepe]

If it's real, who knows.

[@jprp999]

@@lepe CGI

[@Xilladan093]

@@lepe quiet u clown

[@watermelon1221]

@@jprp999 🤡

[@mysticbeing6768]

Had wraps on

[@DubYuhGChoppa]

Lmfao dude I actually laughed at the speed of Jamal's 410 kg and had to watch the clip a few times over. And awesome job to George making a 3x bodyweight squat look easy!

[@guitarsandcheesecake1632]

At 90kg, in the masters 45+ I've pulled 290kg on a Texas deadlift bar and 282.5kg on a stiff bar. Both in competition. I own a strength shop deadlift bar, as it's a deadlift bar I tend to end up using in a meet!!

[@landonbroussard429]

i’ve only ever used stiff bars on squat bench and dead’s because my gym only has them

[@nejcrebolj2013]

I can speak from experience that it can drastically increase the weight on the bar if you are pulling sumo and the stiff bar gives you hard time getting into right position from the start. That is only for a few select individuals and for others it’ll just be a few %

[@Pantelifts10]

Same here. I bought one decent bar for my home gym but it's normal stiff

[@mikep3322]

@@Pantelifts10 thats what she said

[@VitoDRF]

I bought a DL bar for my home gym last year. It doesn’t make the pull feel easier. In fact I lose 10lbs off my max with it, because the whip. It feels like you really need to pull at a particular speed to get the right momentum for it to “help”. I still enjoy using it, though. I imagine at really high weights the flex makes more of a difference.

[@MrJbedo]

Just curious how much you pull. I'm getting close to 500lbs and I'm curious if a deadlift bar would help since I want to compete in the next year or so.

[@lionheart93]

@@MrJbedo use all bars my guy. get good at all

[@user-fl6jf4pn2o]

@@MrJbedoI pull about 545 and I would say it starts making a small difference around 405-455. I only feel a decently big difference around 500+ I can still pull 5+ plates on a stiff bar so it’s really not THAT much different.

[@JustAaronJoshua]

Definitely easier on the whippy bar! Sumo deadlift with whippy bar I find is easier. Can do 270kg on a hybrid bar but sturggled with 250 on a rogue stiff bar lol!

[@lionheart93]

i got the opposite lol maybe beccause i would deadlift with whatevevr bar and never paid attention until u pros brought up these bars lmaoooo.

[@dbjmk8083]

Deadlift bar is basically a hack that reduces the most taxing part of the deadlift, breaking raw stiff inertia.

[@mcbride997032]

Stiff bar is alot harder compared to deadlift bar. Look at deadlift records in IPF compare to federations that’s use deadlift bars. You will see a big difference in the numbers.

[@comicbookguy2326]

you have to take into account the fact that the IPF is tested

[@mcbride997032]

@@comicbookguy2326 stricter referees also. Regardless stiff bar is still harder just to break off the floor.

[@antoniocenteno1483]

I think different lifters bennefitt from certain bar more than The other. I follow more Strongman, so my main example is Iván Makarov Who prefers the stiff bar and has pulled 490 on that bar while his best Pull on a Deadlift bar is 475. He simply gets more out of the stiff one, maybe due to he been stronger off the floor while weeaker at the knees where the whip of the Deadlift bar becomes a factor. Same for the Elephant bar, wich has more give but becomes a shaky nightmare for pullers.

[@chrism45]

It definitely depends on the weight and grip width as well. Sumo pullers will get more since their grip will be narrower.

[@mattholt5063]

I think the heavier the weight the more you’re going to get out of a flexible bar as it will yield more the more you put on it. A video throwing in Rogue’s elephant bar for comparison would be good too.

[@Pantelifts10]

This video made me feel a bit better about my poverty deadlift since I only have a stiff bar at homegym

[@TheBroknPezDispenser]

Homegym of peace and prosperity 💪

[@stevet5785]

it would be interesting to do a comparison between an axle bar with straps deadlift vs. powerbar deadlift. i wonder if there is a big difference there. given that with the axle there is zero whip and the bigger diameter puts the weight slightly further out in front...

[@apointtomake1517]

Deadlift bars are smaller in diameter (easier to grip) and the main point of contention (with sumo especially) the bar is able to travel further until all of the weight is actually off the floor. The more plates you have on the more that effect is magnified.

[@ethanbrooks6809]

300kg on stiff bar and 307.5 on deadlift bar for me, both at similar rpe

[@jamesr4717]

I dont think I've ever seen anyone pull 900lbs as smooth as Jamal Browner, sumo or not

[@haventhebeast6050]

On a bendy bar I can deadlift 515lb but on a stiff bar I can only do 460lb

[@Pantelifts10]

Pls Stop! All those comments are gonna make me go by a deadlift bar lmao

[@watermelon1221]

@@Pantelifts10 nah don't unless ur all about the ego or posting on socials. u don't have anything to gain muscle or strength wise from buying a whippy over a stiffy

[@hairyape_8103]

I feel like explosive pullers may prefer a bar w less whip and gradual pullers a deadlift bar.

[@CMALL95]

Only difference I really find is I can train my deadlift more consistently with a deadlift bar. ( pull 3 times a week instead of once or twice on a stiff )

[@zachbird2465]

Cailer woolam made a great video on this. His conclusion was the bar makes minimal difference. Kg plates vs lbs is a bigger difference in his opinion.

[@stooge_mobile]

Is it an issue of momentum? If you can pull a deadlift bar off the floor faster, then you have more momentum. This momentum can carry you all the way to lockout, if you can deal with the whip. Your lockout is faster with a deadlift bar, than if you pull off the floor slower, with a stiff bar. Does this make sense?

[@buffsquirrel9109]

Lol my best raw conventional on power bar 580 but on texas deadlift bar 475 but my backwards deadlift is the same on both

[@Harry-uo2cr]

Anyone know what the wrist strap/bands things Jamal is wearing are?

[@warhawk1313]

I’ve done 318kg on a deadlift bar but only 290kg on a stiff @81kg bodyweight and deadlift bar was easier at lockout but the stiff bar was easier off the ground

[@TheEnvelopeOZ]

Bro,, 318 at 81kg.. how the hell!?

[@PrimeMatt]

The diameter of the bar can also make a difference, even when the weight is not heavy enough to take advantage of any flex.

[@MrPikkabo]

I lift 240 on a noodle bar but 215 on an eleiko stiffy

[@Pantelifts10]

That's a pretty good difference

[@aidaninsua]

Damn thats awesome, ur definitely utilizing the noodle bar

[@MaD_KiLLR]

Just a Class1 Total guy here, but if it counts I did a 170 kg x 5 ⁶RPE on DL bar... I fooking struggle with 150 on the stiff 😂 idk how can the difference be that big?

[@JTK_XXL]

Jamal made the deadlift on the stiff bar look almost easier lol

[@parkercase5054]

I love John haack but how did his 887 get white lights, yet TD’s 903 got called for soft lockout bc his knee was shaking

[@DawgFL]

jesus that subscriber squat is fucking impressive holy shit

[@kodyblack2836]

Here I am just wanting a 600lb deadlift. These monsters hit 800+ 😂

[@raymondjin2000]

My deadlift bar max is 612 while stiff bar is 635.

[@aidaninsua]

I tried a deadlift bar once and was weaker on it too

[@supernoodles908]

@@aidaninsua I find With a deadlift bar, you need more stability and practice with the whip action of it. I find it can pull you off balance

[@Failurefirst123]

That subscriber is crazy strong!!!!

[@Jason-gb2zl]

Not that I'm an amazing deadlifter but I'd say I get 10 - 20kg out of a deadlift bar. You would think that the guys lifting 400kg+ would get more.

[@brandonhoover2120]

I would be very skeptical that you’re getting 20kilos out of it if you’re deadlift is as low compared to 400 as you make it seem.

[@dumwee]

kinda depends, defently if their weak point is off the floor. My weakness is off the floor so deadlift bars makes it hell of a lot easier.

[@Jason-gb2zl]

@@brandonhoover2120 Deadlifting around 280kg atm but have been using a deadlift bar, I'd struggle going much over 260kg with a stiff bar. Deadlift bar is a bit narrower too so I find it easier to get a good grip and rip it up.

[@JoseRodriguez-pq5sz]

STIFF BAR!!! Rules. Well I never used a noodle bar. Lol. And my best sumo is 545 sumo at 150. And 515 conventional. Im not a powerlifter by bar. Just like most on this chat I just like training. Ty buddy.

[@thetruth2258]

Personally, the whip can be a negative at times. Whenever ive tried a Barbell without an exaggerated whip, i tend to pull more efficiently; however, if i try a bar that has a lot of whip it ruins my rythm a lot by how i pull from the ground.

[@Jacare1973]

Deadlift bar easier off the floor but harder to lockout.

[@absolutenerd1989]

i gotta say going ultra wide sumo on a deadlift bar makes so much difference compared to a stiffbar max width

[@brebium7715]

those who are very well built for sumo benefit the most from the noodle bar as it allows them to get almost completely upright by pulling the slack out.

[@Shuffit]

That squat at the end was bananas, damn.

[@fightingtalk6253]

It depends how you pull it makes a big difference to me

[@deadandbored]

shorter rom = easier lift, is science baby

[@Anthobvs]

It's not as simple in fact. Sumo isn't easier for everybody, and I know what I am talking about, I am an awful sumo deadlifter

[@martinbradley1062]

For some reason i do better deadlifting with a fatter stiff bar over a bar with more flex thats thinner

[@tyhyhh]

I don’t think they really make that big of a difference unless you’re used to training on a deadlift bar and then use a stiff bar and vice versa

[@PlotRecap1]

i love your accent

[@TheJesusNerd40]

I thought DL bars with the whip and bend, give a 50 lb increase. Can some get 100 lbs out of the bars?

[@DumbAss-ic4kq]

The longer and thinner it is, it will become easier in certain cases

[@SuperSilver316]

The stiff bar is very humbling, but I like going back to it

[@littlethuggie]

Makes a big difference.

[@alaron5698]

Damn these split-grip heavy deadlifts make me uneasy. Too many bicep tear videos out there!

[@livestrongforever]

go josh!

[@brady_pearson]

Would you guys consider the Ohio power bar by rogue a stiff bar?

[@MrDougfunny7]

I’m not 100% but I’m like 85% the answer is yes

[@benjaminmacintyre349]

I once pulled with a Olympic bar even less difrence than a stiffbar and i hit 260 kg there and after that failed 230 kg on a stiffbar...

[@brandonhoover2120]

There’s no way that an under 700lb deadlift is getting about 70 pounds. There’s just variables you’re neglecting to mention to us or yourself.

[@Xilladan093]

@@brandonhoover2120 yea liftingvault here is underestimating

[@juliawilliams1355]

Deadlift bar is harder for me for sure

[@joshuamcgovern7451]

I deadlift 250KG with stiff bar and 280kg with a deadlift bar, my weakness is off the floor.

[@LordBeezleDwarf]

Lets not overlook the fact hes pullin over 800lbs fully raw

[@xxxtentacles3915]

Subscriber is strong asf

[@Adamsmith090]

This is why feds with stiffbars reigns supreme in true strength

[@juanpancho9575]

Which company makes a good stiff deadlift barbell without broken the bank??

[@devondanklin1808]

Texas deadlift bar is $335 Honestly any type of good quality power bar is gonna run you a few hundred dollars

[@normanlemarie9991]

@@devondanklin1808 that's not a stiff bar

[@TheEnvelopeOZ]

@@normanlemarie9991 Is there even such a thing as "good stiff deadlift barbell" lol?

[@normanlemarie9991]

@@TheEnvelopeOZ I don’t know I didn’t make that statement

[@astmedia666]

I lose about 15kg on a stiff bar, and that's because I pull conventional.

[@monkeyhater4203]

Pretty ridiculous if you think about it that some powerlifting records can be compared at all to IPF or tested feds that use a stiff bar for elite lifters thats pretty unfair

[@TactlessGuy]

I think most of the difference comes from the slightly thicker grip of the stiff bar.

[@mercetajs]

just gotta grow longer fingers i guess

[@TactlessGuy]

@@mercetajs More like bigger palms lol

[@AlexanderChanMUI]

I always use a stiff bar for my conventional deadlift trainings.

[@ChicagosFinest2015]

George is a gahdamn beast

[@xxxcodmxxx]

Apparently 20-40kg

[@Pantelifts10]

Holly 😯 brb buying a deadlift bar

[@xxxcodmxxx]

@@Pantelifts10 why? That's cheating

[@Pantelifts10]

@@xxxcodmxxx how it's cheating if it's allowed in many competitions?

[@obtusefool]

no one talking about how george moved 215kg like butter while weighing only 68kg?

[@Kaynos]

I bet some sumo deadlifter could lock out using a noodle bar without actually lifting the weight off the ground lol.

[@Xilladan093]

Some long arm freaks

[@omgiheartpie]

That's what she said

[@abcitiseasyasonetwothree3066]

Lol 20kg for 400kg deadlift for sure and the bigger weight the more of a difference

[@10oz10]

I fear the man who oly lifts with a deadlift bar

[@armaniali8801]

Tf are these subscriber Highlights in the last weeks.. Most of them could easylie compete and would be national elites

[@Lickmabumbum]

Huge difference...

[@Ironborne]

Tenth

[@rosethesickoLIVE]

you got 1st

[@Ironborne]

@@rosethesickoLIVE 10th, take it or leave it.

[@jarosawbaut9522]

well unless you deadlift 200kg or more the bar doesnt bend at all

[@saywhat4082]

If she ain’t 28mm or more I don’t want it

[@basicmeme1040]

Add "do you think strength is a gift it's not" Entire population:pulls 500kg

[@brucehutchinson9527]

Using kilograms for weights is distracting. I have to convert the kilograms times 2.2 in my head to have the weight be meaningful.

[@alexsalazar3394]

I wanna be at the end of the video

[@TheAgeOfTheWolf]

I'm not impressed with Jamal. He's doing sumo.

[@Xilladan093]

Hes pulled over 900 conventional u anonymous nonlifting clown. Craven

[@LiftingVault]

But strangely enough no one else in the world can do the unimpressive thing he is doing

[@TheAgeOfTheWolf]

@@LiftingVault join the movement of shaming those what do sumo. We need this plague removed from powerlifting.

[@stefansolagratiosimanjunta1993]

Sumo hater be talking shit about sumo and proceed to deadlift some noodle bar LOL

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[@powerzone7146]

fix your voice lifting vault😂😂

[@Adamsmith090]

Flex bar is basically gear. Trash.

[@ohhesabaaadman52]

Ask the ladies

[@kevinlacayo822]

This bad comparison. 👎

[@LiftingVault]

Thank you for your insightful feedback

[@kevinlacayo822]

Why would you compare old videos to new videos of the powerlifters lifting with a stiff bar and then a flex bar. There's a lot of difference that could of change from the lifters strengths, bad day or good day lift. You get me?

[@kevinlacayo822]

@@LiftingVault a better comparison video would of been that the lifter had flex bar and stiff bar side by side each loaded with there max weight 1 rep and then see which one they lift better. That would of been a better comparison between a stiff bar vs flex bar

[@LiftingVault]

New to old videos? The clips from john were 1 week apart and those from Jamal a few weeks (so less accurate since he had a meet in between). I really don't see how comparing their 1RM would yield a more accurate comparison especially in the same time frame. The variation that they max out on first will always have a significant advantage because they will have less fatigue build up

[@jonashuovila9287]

Wow even one more reason powerlifting is a joke, guy in american shirt at beginning of video left leg shakes like a leaf in the wind and they still give him 3 white lights. xD Powerlifting full of steroids + fake strength by faking lifts + no being consistent with the rules, powerlifters these days must have mountain amounts of cope. xD

[@jonashuovila9287]

Oh boy that shaky shit was a world record? Yeah paper champions everywhere like Yujiro Hanma says. xD

[@LiftingVault]

John Haack is a paper champion now?

[@superstomp2]

Dude stfu, you clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

[@jonashuovila9287]

@@LiftingVault Well considering they gave him 3 white lights for a failed lift he could be a paper champion. Not watched hes other lifts, either way this gives a bad rep to powerlifting as overall which i think is sad. Powerlifting should be something good and something people should be able to be proud over, if i was not into strongman and old school bodybuilding i might got into arm wrestling and powerlifting. But if i had got into powerlifting early before this stuff started to happen i would later on have to wear my head down in shame cause of what powerlifting is becoming and it is just getting worse time over time.

[@jonashuovila9287]

@@superstomp2 Yeah cause shaking left leg clearly means he has locked out the deadlift right?

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[@yaboi1072]

is crazy the energy some people have for sumo vs conventional, but little things like this, or low bar squatting is just like👨‍🦯👨‍🦯👨‍🦯