How Women Rate You Based On Height

Chris and Macken Murphy discuss how much height actually matters to women. How big of a factor is height according to Macken Murphy? What other traits do women look for according to Macken Murphy? How do men view height in women according to Macken Murphy?
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[@ChrisWillx]

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[@RPRsChannel]

I reposted this here. ---> Tall Women die more often alone, Tall Women have fewer children or more often no children, Tall Women have fewer relationships with Men, Tall Women have less Sex, Tall Women are more depressed, all this because a Tall Woman is waiting for a Tall Man; but Tall Men want Short Women not Tall Women. So, Tall Women are themselves their bane of their existence. Now...this next sentence is hard as I forget what this is called, but the crank/angle in a Woman's neck is important, at a certain age this is the angle She had to tilt her head up to look at her Father, maybe when She was 4-5 years old. As an adult; this is what She instinctively is looking for, it usually tends then to be a 6'2"-5" Man. So, in a World where all this is true, Tall Women pass on Men shorter than them; and without knowing; they die a little each time.

[@476429]

I'm 5'7". I was rejected by a woman shorter than me specifically because I wasn't over 6' tall. But I've also been pursued by women taller than me. And most of my relationships were with women around my height. Based on my experience, it just depends on the woman. I never thought a 5'11" female high jumper would be interested in me, but she was. And I never thought a woman shorter than me would reject me over my height, but she did. My advice is to take care of yourself, be fit, and present yourself well. There's nothing you can do about your height so don't even give it a second thought. The right ones will like you and the wrong ones won't.

[@476429]

@@ryan.1990 Yeah, I only had the one woman specifically say I was too short (and she ended up marrying a basketball player). Other than that, it's never been an issue.

[@djangomarine6658]

​@@ryan.1990Where you live makes a huge difference. I'm 5'7" as well and it was not a problem in California, but it's a BIG deal in Texas.

[@dansykora2292]

I've had the same experience - short women have been far more vocal about wanting tall men than average height women.

[@arneilmarquez]

I think height does play a factor. I've dated mostly girls a bit shorter to shorter than me. But on one date, a girl wore heels and she was a bit taller than me and she apologized about it.

[@milosradmilac8911]

This! Had a girl tell me I am forever limited in my life and options due to height. Had shorter girls than me reject me. Then I gained about 20 pounds and met a girl taller than me by a head or more than that... she liked me. Then met a girl shorter than the previous girl but slightly taller than me... she liked me too. Has nothing to do with height. Has everything to do with more than anything: taking care of yourself, leading your own life and hobbies and just simply being ok with yourself. Be confident. Nothing else. (same height as you 5'7'')

[@donh1572]

I switched my dating profile from 5’11” to 6’ and my matches went up dramatically

[@donh1572]

@@ryan.1990 don’t care what you think

[@eat_ze_bugs]

If you put 5'12" women would probably still think you're too short

[@donh1572]

@@eat_ze_bugs there is truth in that

[@user-ok8mz5pn2d]

I did and immediately got more likes/matches as well

[@gj9157]

Same but it didn't change anything.

[@JeffreyWongOfficial]

As a taller guy myself I’ll always stand with my shorter bros and call out height-double standards/hypocracy everytime I hear/sense it from a woman. And it’s funny how easily you can make them see that they mistreated alot of men without realizing it themselfs. One example that I like to use with them is: “What if you could filter bra size in dating apps like bumble/tinder? What if guys would write “only girls with C+” - guess that would create a big outcry by most women, while demanding a height requirement/filter seems to be perfectly fine”

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

Heck yes! Literally had this discussion with my wife the other day! I'm 6'2" and I stand with my ShortKings!

[@cosmiccatzen]

lol, we found the tops!

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

@@ALLTake-v2p She thought it was a valid comparison.

[@BryJovi17]

The entire western society does not allow you to have this conversation though, that's precisely the point. This example is something the black pill men have raised many many times over the last decade but everyone just bats back the argument with semi-cancel culture stating that everyone saying this is an incel. Women are not allowed to be judged on things outside of their control such as their weight and bra size however, to a very great extent, both those things CAN be controlled. Weight is partly genetics sure, but it's also what you eat and your exercise levels. If you've not been given the best hand of cards genetics wise then you have to put more effort in than those luckier women than you I'm afraid. But stats show that most western women are overweight today (more than 50%), so how can that possibly be genetics when this was not the case 2 generations ago? Bra size, well women can just get plastic surgery to increase this, and it's not ridiculously expensive either, compared to the insane lengths a man would need to go to to have surgery in order to increase his height by a few inches. The operations are incredibly dangerous and long-winded to go through. Women can get their boobs done and healed within a matter of months. How is it logical or fair or KIND for any woman to judge a man based on his height when it is something completely outside of his control...? 🤔

[@dwdwone]

Great call. I'm going to remember that.

[@jaythakkar2558]

nah tall women got it so much easier than short men, the "tall girl problem" is that they want to find a guy taller than them and rejecting dudes that are around her height/shorter, sounds privileged asf

[@yellowwall3471]

Not true, in my school tall girls and when I say tall I mean around 173-177 date guys that as much as them or just slightly more or even shorter guys.

[@lightningbolt4419]

@@yellowwall3471cause there are only so many chads above 6ft

[@yellowwall3471]

@lightningbolt4419 its genuine relationships. Height is not the number one thing women look for in a man here in Greece. This 6ft BS is something of an issue in the US as far as I am concerned.

[@Fleischgewordener_Sterbehelfer]

​@@yellowwall3471Yeah but they date and she short guys dont. Who has it worse?

[@SaturnFrost]

Exactly, tall girl problem is just tall women suffering from Hypergamy. It's not men rejecting them, its them doing what most women of all heights do, limiting their options.

[@perzonne6302]

I met a woman online and picked her up in my mustang once, and we had a great time talking and driving around and smoking for 3 hours. She was smiling the whole time and even felt up on my leg and body. Then we got out of the car and she saw i was 5'7 and all the color disappeared from her face. She went "ohh wow ur short....". Then we walked up to the front of the bar and she suddenly said 'i dont feel like going out anymore, just take me home', and i never heard from her again. So yeah😂 ive had multiple situations like that one where every other variable is removed and women love me, and then my height enters the equation and women dip and i never hear from them again

[@gj9157]

Clown world

[@BWater-yq3jx]

So you picked her up from the kerb? I mean how did you never get out of your car?

[@Cordexx]

that's terrible. its insane how women can do that but when its about weight, if u even MENTION weight ur instantly evil and mysoganistic. like image u saw a girl you were going out with, and she had a condition so no matter what she did she couldn't loose the weight, and u still said, "Wow... your really fat." even though she COULDNT change it.

[@perzonne6302]

@@BWater-yq3jx I pulled up to her house, texted 'Im here', and she came out and got in passenger. We were actually supposed to head straight to the bar, but instead she just started talking to me and we found a shady spot and chilled for an hour. Then we picked up some green and she got out and bought it and came back. So yeah all in all I didn't actually step out my side for a few hours

[@perzonne6302]

@@BWater-yq3jx I pulled up to her house, texted 'Im here', and she came out and got in passenger. We were actually supposed to head straight to the bar, but instead she just started talking to me and we found a shady spot and chilled for an hour. Then we picked up some green and she got out and bought it and came back. So yeah all in all I didn't actually step out my side for a few hours

[@RickzMaven]

There's a book called Height Maximization Protocol Unleashed, and it talks from increasing your height techniques to boosting your height potential, it's the real deal

[@siraha4837]

bro do you really blieve you can change your height aftier a certain age

[@omnissiah7247]

Sure, by a couple of centimetres no doubt with stretches, most coming from the spine decompressing.

[@bocelott]

@@omnissiah7247 Yeah but those gains are temporary. Like for a few hours temporary.

[@jevzi2463]

just buy platform shoes and maybe a taller hairstyle but thats about it after you finish your growth spurt

[@Daniel-lc6ol]

yep promo comment. kinda secret method

[@jfs5873]

As a short guy I've noticed that the only women who have expressed interest in me were Latinas. They are also the only ones who don't start off conversations by asking for my height

[@billnye7625]

Take the Latinapill 🗣️🔥🔥

[@toasterpastries5811]

I'm 5'5" and I can confirm this is accurate. They don't demand extremely high standards for physical attractiveness.

[@lotta1517]

Well they are usually also shorter than average women...

[@toasterpastries5811]

@@dwdwone because they're just happy to have a Western white man.

[@ayoPHREEK]

One of the many reasons to love Latinas 😂

[@rynegade]

My wife kept referring to me as short. I am not particularly short, but I am shorter than average. I am taller than 37% of American males. After years of just taking it, when she was pregnant and distressing that our children will be short (and implying it's due to my lineage), I laughingly and annoyed calculated that she was actually only in the 16th percentile for American females and that she was the one significantly bringing down the average. She no longer calls me short.

[@jcronin3155]

She has no respect for you if she kept on emasculating you like that.

[@rafaelmartinelli9377]

There is no such thing as "height gene"...

[@flacjacket]

​​@@rafaelmartinelli9377of course there is, what are you smoking? Of the 11 men across three generations on my moms side one is 5'8", one is 6'0" and the other 9 are between 6'3"-6'6". You dont randomly get 9 people in the 99th percentile in one family, height is absolutely heritable.

[@rafaelmartinelli9377]

@@flacjacket No its not, genetics is one of several other factors that determine an individual’s height. My cousin's parents are below average in terms of height, and he ended up being almost the double of their size, and i saw this happen to several other people. I suggest you stop consuming this "red pill" trash and study a little.

[@benitocamela174]

​@@rafaelmartinelli9377genetics is most definitely the number one determinant in height, either your friend has a secret father or his grandparents are taller. There is no "height gene", it's a combination of genes that will determine your height. The parents could have had lifestyles or a condition while growing up that didn't allow them to reach their maximum intended height (this has happened to a family member)

[@stratosfire1943]

Being 5'8' can say it SUPREMELY matters to women

[@RojaJaneman]

No. Only to American women. It’s not a universal thing. Because here, society KEEPS FREAKIN repeating weird things like “tall, dark, and handsome” as some biblical standard. It’s NOT a real thing. It’s made up. Then entire generations in d last few centuries have been repeating that trash to their kids. It’s a virus. Specific to a single culture. It can b remedied, if and only if, people tried to look outside their bubble and realized that there’s a world out there, and there’s immense beauty and incredible ideas/norms out there. 🙄 There’s a reason y nature prefers variety and connections.

[@johnnkurunziza5012]

5’8 is a lot better than 5’4.

[@sarpsays]

5'8 is not even short at all.. you're taller than most girls, and taller than quite a bit of men still even. I'm 5'8 and literally.. never.. ever had a problem with height in dating. Dated girls shorter taller and around my height. When I go to a club I see plenty of men shorter than me.

[@vitorpereira5461]

at south america 5'8 is short too, but you can get away. I mean you will be called short but most women dont really care that much. 5'7 below is where the problem resides

[@rogerteaminski6351]

@@sarpsays No, its about average, but logic does not apply to women lol.

[@jeremyg591]

Incels are largely right about their observations on human sexual behavior.

[@Copy725]

Always have been about a lot of things

[@Arejen03]

its not not what the mainstream wants to hear thats why they are shamed. Man without hope and purpose are the most dangerous man for society so they need to keep the narrative that height doesnt matter.

[@MrOndra15]

Yeah because of scientists who actually study the topic lol but people still deny a lot of the stuff even though data supports the incel theories :D

[@153ridzzzz]

Thats because the blackpill is based on science and academical statistics. People will deny it however because they just cant face the truth and are scared that it will mess with their fantasy of a 'just' world.

[@Chud-mb7gl]

​@@MrOndra15incel theory: women are attracted to men who aren't ugly and not attracted to men who are ugly ie incels

[@thomasbuxton2648]

As a 5’2 guy 31 year old guy who’s been rejected my whole life, ive come to terms with the fact I’ll most likely be alone and die alone. The thing with being a short guy is that women won’t be attracted to you, and many times they don’t know why; it’s at a subconscious level. I haven’t been told point blank, as some people in the comments have mentioned, that I’m too short. However this doenst make matters any better. As I said, a lot of times a lot of women don’t know why they’re not attracted to you. Being a short guy, you’re simply invisible to women in terms of attraction. No matter how great your conversational skills are, most people (women included) will see as you a great, interesting, lively guy to enjoy time, but you’ll never be a romantic/sexual option for them. Even if they’re not “put off” by you, they’ll won’t be “attracted” to you. Their feelings towards you will simply be…neutral. I also dislike it when people say “just be confident.” Confidence makes absolutely no difference if a woman is not initially attracted to you. Confidence cannot manufacture attraction, it simply retains, and increases, attraction that is already there.

[@bro918]

Yeah youre seen as a harmless teddy bear. Or maybe a 'cute' puppy or something. Thats the vibe I get at least

[@vinipcplayer]

go to asia

[@APR702]

You gotta get the shoes that have some big soles and go after the girls who are 4”11 5-1” and you’ll get one baby don’t quit

[@ryanlee6291]

I'm also 5'2 33 years old. I get laid pretty often so I'd like to debunk that myth right now. I also do a lot of testosterone and people say I have a nice face/teeth. Hairline is about toast tho lmao. But being jacked I feel has put me easily in the top 10%, I always have 150+ matches on tinder and live in a medium sized city. I have fucked girls 6' tall. IDK what particular advice I can give but I can tell you that height is just one part of the equation. Being short isn't a death sentence, I'd get that mentality out of your head. I did it too when I was young and it's a downward spiral if you ruminate on the thought of not being worthy because of your height.

[@JWStreeter]

​@@APR702shorter women actually often want a taller man even more, because of how vulnerable they feel

[@truthlemonade9793]

I have a hard time believing that tall women have it worse than short men in the dating market. The average male height on dating apps is 6'1? Why? Dating app users probably skew younger, so taller. Men are likely to lie about their heights. The shortest men are likely to not even bother with dating apps.

[@michaelangst6078]

Women on dating apps swipe left and right the vast majority of the time based on facial attractiveness. Sure, some women will not match a dude because he is not 6 feet, but that is a small percentage of women.. Dudes with attractive faces also have a way better chance of that women actually meeting him and taking it serious... Average face guys that list themselves as 6'4 and receive matches may talk with the women for a bit, but the woman is way more likely to be hesitant to actually meet him

[@drewg7441]

Most women set their height filter at 6', so they wouldn't even see the face of a man under that height.

[@alexal8088]

@@michaelangst6078 that's not what the data shows

[@naisyjohns]

Short Answer: Yes

[@chrisallwhite]

Long story short: Yes

[@naisyjohns]

@@chrisallwhite .......you got the pun, right?

[@XxDrAgOnXSwAgxX]

@@naisyjohnsit was a good pookie

[@ricardoge96]

Long answer: Yes it does, but who cares

[@phillipsnichole2857]

Shorter answer: no

[@AJ-HawksToxicFinger]

I don't have a problem women preferring taller men, especially women who are tall themselves or even just developed early so they were 'bigger' than the boys in grade school. I get that. The 4'11 woman who wants a 6'3 man, now that is ridiculous.... BTW - this prejudice extends to board rooms as well. An 'Executive' under 6' is not a Unicorn but still pretty damn rare

[@BenjaminBadbrother]

It's probably not a direct prejudice but a vicious or virtuous cycle. The child that grows up tall gets rewarded, encouraged, and has advantages for opportunities which leads to further opportunities and advantages. The opposite being true for exceptionally short people. This is a systemic part of the culture. This has lead to a strong correlation that height greatly predicts the winner of presidential races. Which has led some candidates, possibly Desantis, to wear lifts and special shoes.

[@New_Identity]

It's nature. A lion doesn't have to prove it's a lion. As a very tall guy, I don't have anything to prove besides my ability to fit in small spaces. There isn't much I can't learn that requires physical skills, I don't ever have to worry about someone picking a fight with me, and I'm naturally decent at public speaking due to thousands of strangers asking me how tall I am each year and even more than that staring at me everywhere I go. Tall w/ short is the ultimate "opposites attract". My fiancé and I have a 21" height difference. I always felt odd walking with a really tall girl. I think it's amazing that they are tall but it's never been for me.

[@RibeyesteakSachertorte]

@@New_Identity out of interest, how tall?

[@gj9157]

​@BenjaminBadbrother Yeah it's just a positive feedback loop.

[@New_Identity]

@@RibeyesteakSachertorte 6'9

[@burnhamsghost8044]

I’m 52 years old. I’m my experience, it’s one of the most important things to women.

[@fwabble]

This is correct.

[@studyplatform6486]

ᴡʜᴀᴛ's ʏᴏᴜʀ ʜᴇɪɢʜᴛ ʙʀᴏ?

[@Michael-gs8og]

It depends on where you live, though. In western country, height is one of the most important things to woman.

[@sevyeun]

@@Michael-gs8og All around the world actually

[@Michael-gs8og]

@@sevyeun No, it's not. Just is western.

[@Sir.DavidBruce]

*Main Points* *1.* _Multiple Studies show that women prefer a certain amount of height. ''Not too short and not too tall''_ *2.* _The difference between 5.4ft and 5.8ft seems to be a big deal_ *3.* _Then it starts to taper off around 6.1ft_ *4.* _Women mostly prefer a men that is taller than them._ *5.* _The Tall Girl Problem= Taller Girls have a rougher time on the dating market._ *6.* _Educated Women are more married and less divorced than less educated women._ *7.* _Things get better. In Europe, women are becoming more and more willing to date hypogamously so we're seeing much more of these pattern where super educated women_ _are like ''You know what? Sexy plumber, sexy firefighter. Let's have it_ 😍 *Funfact:* *_The average male american height is 5.9, but on dating apps 6.1 (But it is not 100% researched)_* *Sidenote:* *_These studies looked mainly at ONLINE preferences._* *_And a preference, is just a preference after all_*

[@stevecooper7883]

More fun facts: in the western half of the US, men are taller than East of the Mississippi River. In my home state of Utah, the average male height is just under 5'11''!

[@Cordexx]

@@stevecooper7883 same i live in minnesota and the average height here for young men spesifically (age 18 to 25) is 5,11.

[@mudblood9699]

College educated women initiate divorce more often than non college educated women.

[@badart3204]

@@stevecooper7883east coast has more Southern European lineage so that makes sense

[@liveforever4190]

Exactly. It's just a preference, but not a requirement. I can't tell you how many guys I see with beautiful women who are considerably shorter than me, and I'm a little over 5'10". If it was that strict, none of these guys would have girlfriends or wives, let alone attractive ones with great personalities. In real life, many other factors can outweigh a lack of tallness (and please, it's not just wealth, although sure it helps; work on everything else first, get some dating experience, and then tell me all they're looking for is height and wealth). It's similar to how we all prefer women with say, a more generous posterior or bust, or a beautiful face, but plenty of us would be willing to date a thinner girl, or even a girl who's pretty but isn't stunning (I can't tell you how many times I've found a girl beautiful who would not make the cut for a modeling gig, but I still found her very pretty; they're not ugly, just not stunning - you know the phenomenon I'm talking about brother,), if she had a lot of other qualities we valued, and it happens every day. It's the same for women in my experience. They don't value the same things we do mind you, but they're willing to make a trade off for other qualities they want. Build yourself up in those areas, make yourself valuable, and height won't prevent you from finding someone to share your life with, not working on those other factors will. Just look around and tell me with a straight face that shorter than average men can't be with great women, and that all women only get romantically involved with 6 foot rich guys. Exactly.

[@garydossett6688]

Every woman who asks for a dude over 6’ needs to show up to the date with a scale they’re willing to step on. Dudes will wait.

[@alexisc7565]

Won't happen. Stay mad lol

[@garydossett6688]

@alexisc7565 we know it won’t happen cause that would require women to be accountable. Tisk tisk sweetheart.

[@natalia_00123]

No problems

[@thedog5k]

@@garydossett6688 It also requires men to hold women accountable, which wont happen.

[@serenityjewel]

Have you seen men nowadays? They need to bring their own scale and a tape measurer.

[@alexandercluster3003]

Anyone who says it doesn’t matter has NOT been a single man in his 30’s. It not only matters it is most women’s absolutly a women’s number one requirement.

[@jeanbob1481]

agreed always have been the full package except five foot 5. Pretty accomplished but no women ever wanted anything from me.

[@pap4539]

I get plenty of interest at 5'7" in my 30's as a single dude

[@alexandercluster3003]

@@pap4539 I’m married but that doesn’t mean dating wasent way harder for me then a guy who is 6’5

[@JohnDoe-pt7ru]

@@pap4539 that's not 5'4". Big difference actually to women.

[@pap4539]

@@JohnDoe-pt7ru no one said anything about 5'4" before you.

[@TungTran-pp3tx]

I am very short 5’3. When I was younger, I wished I was taller to attract more girls. My saving grace is I am not ugly…about average looks. Now I am way older, married with children, I focus on making money, raising a family, and take care of myself.

[@risegaming2047]

How many men was your wife with before you?

[@LeeEvilBlackMan]

@@risegaming2047this is the questions that’s never asked or answered

[@JohnQPublic345]

Is your wife Vietnamese?

[@joe42m13]

If you're maximizing looks, you're likely to attract people who's highest value is looks. Become a competent, well rounded person and you'll probably start finding the same

[@freeottis]

“The same” meaning people who value looks?

[@stevecooper7883]

​@@freeottis😅 life lesson

[@CodeNameCheese_]

@@freeottis it's human nature to value looks lol

[@TheDallasDwayne]

Based answer.

[@TheRealHerbaSchmurba]

People want looks not smart competent well rounded people. Did you not think about that before typing?

[@itsthed5951]

Good morning to all you short kings, finally Chris has asked the real questions.

[@perzonne6302]

calling urself a "short king" is where u start losing

[@mark9294]

@@perzonne6302how so? I think males could definitely do with some positivity and mutual affirmation

[@loverofhumanity]

@@mark9294 that's not positivity. That's actually a negative patronizing label. I genuinely find it weird when people use that label. As if your calling someone not a real king. No he's not a king, he must have that short attached to him because this is how we see him.

[@gillroygarlic3616]

I agree; short isn’t something to really be proud of like being fat. Women use the bbw, to be delusional. Men shouldn’t be delusional . being short is unfortunate but also a trial in life a strong man can flourish in being.

[@perzonne6302]

@@mark9294 if you keep that up all you'll have is positive affirmation from other males😂

[@rosezingleman5007]

Our family are all tall, but one of our daughters met a guy in college who is only 5’4”. They have three teenagers now, including a short son. She never considered it an issue, thankfully.

[@Aspire705]

So is the son shorter than his mom? That'd be super interesting to see because I read somewhere that it's biologically very rare for a son to be shorter than his mom unless he was extremely malnourished growing up or he had a growth disorder or something.

[@gj9157]

Poor son, hopefully he grows up.

[@AlmostlessThanHuman]

R.I.P to the son

[@Jeremy-ql1or]

"She never considered it an issue, thankfully." When your daughter's son starts to find himself constantly rejected and it starts to effect him emotionally, she will realize it is an issue.

[@GUITARTIME2024]

Thays an outlier. 5 ft 4 is very short.

[@theiberianbadger0123]

I’ve lost count how many times I’ve been rejected solely on my height. That’s literally been the sole deal breaker for so many women.

[@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043]

how do you know though? with a good ceirtanty?

[@JohnDoe-pt7ru]

@@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043 b/c they say so. I'm short and it's true. They either say it to our face or we hear it from others that know the person.

[@wild_seabass]

Height matters. However, if you're getting rejected at average height, it's most likely that she doesn't find you attractive but citing height is a gentler form of rejection than telling him he's unattractive. Unless they're also tall themselves, most women can't even visually distinguish heights between the 5'10"-6'0" range

[@jeanbob1481]

Nah some of us saw it in real time : Hitting it off really well but once she realize you are short she excuses herself. Like you are sitting or in a car and once you stand up the whole dynamic changes.

[@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043]

@@jeanbob1481 But how often is that, and whats your height?

[@blacklyfe6881]

I'm 5'11

[@Llama_charmer]

I have a friend who is about 5'7-5'8. Relatively attractive, in good shape, dresses well. The other 3 in our friend group (including me) are between 6ft and 6'4. He has far more success than any of the rest of us. Its happened right in front of us before. He's gotten 4 or 5 girls phone numbers while out with us. But here's the kicker, hes easily the most confident and outgoing of us all. Really good at flirting and has mastered the ability to read people and ride the line between flirty and inappropriate. Atleast take comfort knowing that any girl who would prioritize your height over any other characteristics wasnt worth dating anyway.

[@yoloswag4204lyfe]

Everyone bases their experience off of dating apps. I am 5'10, I didn't start struggling with dating at all until 2015 when dating apps started really taking off and I started using them way too much myself. Any "struggles" I did have before then were my own fault. Stop trying to use dating apps to find dates and anyone would have much more success. If dating apps weren't so commonly used now we would be having a lot less of these conversations and videos

[@gj9157]

How about the guys who do have success on dating apps?

[@yoloswag4204lyfe]

@@gj9157You mean the 28-30 year old 6’2 chad models that are .05% of the population? Sure they will have it easy on dating apps

[@sleeper9638]

No they wouldn't because women can and still will use dating apps, they're not struggling at all and are totally fine with only hooking up with the top 1% of men off these apps

[@Victor_Andrei]

I'm 6'2" and I absolutely refuse to share this information to see if that'll put them off.

[@greatcesari]

6’3 and have never used a dating app (probably never will), but if I did I wouldn’t share this information because I wouldn’t want to attract superficial women who care about height.

[@AlmostlessThanHuman]

@@greatcesari bro you think you're not attracting women superficially through your height in real life lol even more so brother

[@TopTickJack]

@@greatcesarisorry bro but this doesn’t make sense, unless you completely like a woman based off solely personality. I mean it’s like being super good looking and saying I’m not posting my face bc i don’t want people to want me for my face

[@PapaPablo-ok4u]

I'm looking for a woman under 160 pounds without kids.....impossible.

[@AustenSummers]

What country do you live in?

[@MalesAreDemons]

They exist keep coping

[@restingsmirkface]

The answer according to every girl I've dated or even been close friends with is yes.

[@DarkMatterScoot]

Definitely a difference between online preferences and who women are actually attracted to in person.

[@anisenkrill6179]

Absolutely. 6'-1" typed in your profile and displayed in tiny font on a 4" screen is a whole lot different than 6'-1" standing two feet in front of the girl.

[@murphymacken]

Agree; 5'11" IRL is quite tall, but even that's discriminated against online.

[@phillipsnichole2857]

Short King pulls for a reason. Personality transcends everything.

[@AlmostlessThanHuman]

No difference between real life and online lol women are overwhelmingly attracted to taller men

[@xjoemallardx]

I have a friend that literally told me that she only wants someone 6 ft or taller.

[@name-vi6fs]

It depends on the culture. In the US and UK, a lot. In Germany, not as much. The men are still taller, but the women are surprisingly tall.

[@thomass07.]

Bro germany is going crazy. I'm 5'11 and i've been called several times that i'm short.

[@TurnOntheBrightLights.]

If a woman prioritizes height, move on to other quality women. I'm taller than average and it still annoys me 😅

[@freeottis]

You’re taller than average so you don’t know what it’s like

[@ginobenedetto4943]

@@freeottisI’m 5’6 and even I can empathize with him dude. I get turned down because I’m short, that’s fine. But when someone likes me, I’m confident they like me for me. He has to deal with shallow women who may only be interested in his height, and people are much more than that.

[@TurnOntheBrightLights.]

@@freeottis Right, but it doesn't mean I have to entertain a woman's idea of meeting a minimum preferable height. Even if I was short or average, this is the same mindset I'd have.

[@TurnOntheBrightLights.]

@@themacocko6311 Height is out of one's control; weight largely isn't.

[@AlmostlessThanHuman]

Good luck finding one that doesn't care if you're 5'3

[@Telcontar86]

"Tall girl problem" is that tall girls have a hard time finding men taller than them, and a lot of the shorter guys they've dated are either insecure about the height difference or, if he actually isn't, she's convinced that he is based off her previous relationships. I'm 5'7" and have dated taller, shorter and the same height as me, makes no difference at all to me as long as we click

[@oicrusader2143]

Nice pfp

[@Telcontar86]

@@oicrusader2143 you too! Good luck on the Path

[@eatonh]

Would be interesting to have a jubilee-style video where girls guess random guys' heights. I wonder if most girls think 5’10” is 6 ft because of how 6’ is treated as normal height.

[@hs-fu6qt]

That's because most of 5'10guys say they r 6 so girls r conceived guys height that way 😂

[@glonkd]

@@hs-fu6qtI’m 5’10 I don’t lie about it and it’s never been a problem just get off dating apps

[@kevinwilson7318]

1:43 5’4” is a lot more than just a “bit”of a problem, it’s a HUGE problem. I firmly believe that nowadays if you are under 5’7” in the West it’s basically a dealbreaker for 90%+ of women.

[@fiat_ow7876]

I think that number is slightly low. 5'7 would be around 95%, and 5'6 would be into the 98, and then every inch below that creeps up to 100% from 99. 5'3 would be around 99.8%

[@kevinwilson7318]

@@fiat_ow7876 I agree. Especially when it comes to legitimately attractive women. Since they know they have a lot of options 5’7” or shorter would probably be a dealbreaker to 99.9% of them lmao

[@fiat_ow7876]

@@kevinwilson7318 Yeah it’s insanity man. This definitely was not an issue 30 years ago to this extent.

[@kevinwilson7318]

@@fiat_ow7876 I fully blame dating apps and social media platforms for this because: A) It makes the top 10% of men way more accessible to women. B) All of the horny men and simps women get attention from on social media and dating apps has definitely inflated their egos and made them feel worthy of these ridiculous standards. I’d say 6’2”+ is ideally where you want to be at nowadays. 6’0”-6’1” is still solid, but even at this height you’re going to need a face and body that are considerably above average.

[@kevinwilson7318]

@@fiat_ow7876 yeah, I fully blame dating apps, the internet, and social media

[@jurgen951]

I wonder if the imperial system being in feet/inches is the reason to such a high threshold of 6 foot (183cm), mainly being a round number. In the metric world, I would say 180cm (5ft 11) is more often the threshold for a lot of women.

[@max-cs4pz]

This is exactly the crazy thing. The biggest cutoff criterium is a arbitrary round number…. In most of europe the biggest cutoff is 180cm and in US it is 6ft. While in many eiropean countries the average height is more than in the US.

[@GUITARTIME2024]

Well said

[@User40919]

That's true. In most countries that use the metric system 180 cm is the threshold for women. Anything below that is a failure and anything above is success.

[@Llama_charmer]

Thats an interesting idea actually, probably has some merit

[@GUITARTIME2024]

@@jurgen951 it matches "6 pack, 6 figures, etc.

[@kc270352]

why we still asking these questions, YES they do

[@freeottis]

Because we still hope it’s not true for some reason

[@kc270352]

@freeottis women want to feel protected by their man, it's not rocket science 🙄

[@gj9157]

What we should be asking is, why do so many refuse to accept it?

[@Bass20HZobsession]

every day another boy turns 18 and needs to learn this

[@CoCaptainAwesome]

I'm 6'7" and hearing that there is a fall off gives me some relief. I hate the "dating must be easy for you cause you're so tall" and I know it is definitely easier than people who are as far from the median in the other direction but height should not be seen as as much of a factor as it is.

[@dwdwone]

Im 5'2" and have to admit, my options when dating were limited. Now im old and it doesn't matter any more, but when i cared, it did a lot. Women instinctively want to feel small.

[@bro918]

Wait so did you find someone eventually? Or forced to give up

[@dwdwone]

@@bro918 I used various "tricks" which made it easier. It was still difficult but not nearly as bad as before. I've had a number of relationships so I guess you could say I did OK.

[@bro918]

@@dwdwone damn, brutal, glad you had some success

[@Es97Coqui]

Kids? I’m 26 standing at 5’3 and apparently it’s f’ing “unethical” for guys like us to have kids because our kids will be short and suffer the same fate as us.

[@dwdwone]

​@Es97Coqui I've got two. My son is 5'7" and my wife was 5'5. Genetics have a funny way of working things out.

[@drjay182]

I used to get a pretty regular amount of matches on bumble before they forced to add your height. I added my height (5’9”) and my matches dropped to zero

[@AngelofJustice412]

The fact that bumble, an app that prioritizes women’s wants and needs (or at least claims to), mandated that users list their height says all you need to know

[@drjay182]

@@AngelofJustice412 yeah, I deleted it several years ago Also, I remember many years ago on bumble males could search for “body types” (eg. Athletic, curvy, etc). But they took that function out and kept height I guess it is an app made for … obese girls that are attracted to guys 6’ or taller 🤷‍♂️

[@Jeremy-ql1or]

@@themacocko6311 That was true a few years ago but now most women have used dating apps. Once they have, they take all that superficial stuff into the real world. So once they do "Under 6' swipe left" online, they start doing that in the real world.

[@Arejen03]

Im 5'7 my dating app times i was a ghost.

[@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043]

thats mostly because of people on those apps, maybe use diferent apps or try to do the (admitedly dificult) thing of just meeting women in real life

[@cseptember6562]

Never in my life heard a woman say her ideal man was short. Short men are universally seen less attractive and there is no short man who wouldnt look better if he were taller.

[@JeffreyWongOfficial]

No kidding, I’ve actually heared in IRL from some, one of them being a particularly beautiful woman who was herself around 5’9 / 5’10 who told that she preferred the proportions of men being on the shorter spectrum - but yeah, those of course are the minority - but then you also have to consider, when women say tall, we often overestimate what they are looking for in real life (and broad shoulder and other features can compensate quite a bit) - only online dating with a focus on numbers is kinda toxic in terms of height preferences

[@cseptember6562]

@@JeffreyWongOfficial Sure women like that exist but they are outliers. I think when women say tall they mean 5'11 and up. That is where a noticeable difference from average height (5'9) begins. I dont think that is an overestimation. When most say tall they mean relative to the height of other men not to their own height. I dont think a 5'2 girl would consider a 5'8 or 5'9 man tall even though they have decent height difference. I also think the impact of broad shoulders is overvalued. Its not a make or break trait like height can be and it only really helps taller men. I doubt a short guy with broad shoulders would see any significant boost from it.

[@max-cs4pz]

@@cseptember6562 as a short 5ft5 guy I have the impression that when I am in really good shape it helps a lot. Still I would prefer to be 5ft10 to being muscular

[@max-cs4pz]

At a party I (5ft5 )once met a girl who was there with her boyfriend(in an open relationshoip) who was maybe also like 5ft7 ish and she actually hit on me and told me she kinda likes shorter guys and she also tried to kiss me…. And on another occasion one girl in my friendgroup said that she usually goes for shorter guys when we were discussing ex partners and so on

[@JeffreyWongOfficial]

@@cseptember6562 well, there still are plenty of shorter/average height guys with girlfriends. In academia for example you often see intellectual overachievers with beautiful and highly educated women despite them being not exactly overachievers in the height department. So yeah, I think - also for women (who aren’t by any means a homogenous hivemind) - we men are a mixed bag of traits, similar to how women are to us. Some features society and you might value higher than others (usually on an individual basis), yet it ultimately is a blend of those. Like a very attractive and sophisticated female once said to me: “well, if he’s a handsome doctor with a good family-background, which woman would care if he’s 5’7 or 6’3?”

[@Yoshualove69]

I'm 5'2. I accept being alone

[@APR702]

Guys only go up by one inch or 2 . Style your hair spiked can help make you look taller. Get the shoes that make you look the tallest (sneakers with insoles ) (dress shoes with tall heels) (running shoes with tall soles) AND MOST IMPORTANTLY DRESS WELL . You have no idea how much having nice clothes can increase your chances . and remember keep trying you only fail when you quit not when you’re rejected

[@user-zs1fr7im6l]

Only 14.5 percent of men in America are over 6'0" ! And most are lying about being six feet tall LOLOLOLOL. At a true 6'4" and a 1/4 women really don't know how tall I am !

[@hs-fu6qt]

Women might think u r 7'lol

[@sleeper9638]

14.5 percent is actually a very high number when you consider that most people past 30 aren't really going to be worth dating and that the younger generations are taller. Probably around 20-25% of gen Z is over 6ft, and that's the age demographic that actually matters. It's also already proven that women only consider roughly 15% of men to even be attractive so it all lines up

[@williamcarter1665]

I'm 5'11 (180 cm) and have considered getting limb lengthening surgery to correct this. It is quite expensive (at least $75k), painful and has a long recovery process. Not sure if it is really worth it. I was raised in Turkey and I don't remember the Turks being obsessed with height the way Americans are. I don't understand it, but it seems to be a phenomena primarily in the US and UK. Makes me thankful I was able to grow up in a society and experience a culture where a mans height doesn't determine his value.

[@IrinaZhygalyk]

I’m dating a man who’s just a bit taller than me. It really doesn’t matter that much if you find someone attractive and interesting enough to go on a first date with.

[@kcb8130]

"Doesn't matter that much" Bullshit. It matters a lot. Why can't you be honest?

[@isohungry]

At 5'11 i feel pretty tall when i have shoes on and walk around. Never feel like a giant because there will always be two or three guys that are just taller. Than you, but at this height it's pretty comfortable

[@RavarsenBlogspot]

How women chooses men is also known as eugenics

[@shin-ishikiri-no]

True.

[@bro918]

AKA natural selection. Evolution. Some win some lose.

[@ziwer1]

🤣🤣

[@ded-rocinteractive8536]

He nailed it. It's not about being taller than 'them' it's about how your height looks in comparison to other men/women around you. Women tend to be more socially dependent within their validation system so they need you to look taller than the majority of the people around you -- the wider, social surrounding. Not just her.

[@153ridzzzz]

As a 5'4 guy. From what i have seen. If you are shorter than 5'6 as a guy. Its basically over. Better to not even try at that point since its just a waste of time.

[@troublemaker948]

why specifically shorter than 5'6 and not 5'7 or more ?

[@153ridzzzz]

@@troublemaker948 Its just what i have seen from experience. Once men go below 5'6 cutoff. Its just near impossible to get a girl. Even at 5'6 to 5'8 its fairly tough to get one these days with modern dating standards.

[@bro918]

over

[@Es97Coqui]

Seriously like I don’t get how 5’7 is “short”. That’s totally wrong. Short is actually below 5’6.

[@risegaming2047]

There's practically no difference between 5'4" and 5'6". If I were to put it into ranges, I would say

[@M.C.ThomasReviews]

Being 6’6, I’ve heard many times, “Wow, you must have NO problems with women!” But honestly, I do think being that tall has been a disadvantage for me. Women tend to seem nervous around me, like I’m some giant, freakish ogre.

[@brownwhale5518]

Height has few if any underlying signals about behaviors and health. Weight can signal underlying issues concerning behaviors and health.

[@GUITARTIME2024]

No, but tymhe chances of having "tall sons" is higher with the tal guy. It's genetics and it's built into women.

[@brownwhale5518]

@@GUITARTIME2024 I ran across a guy who’s done tons of NBA research and I think he found that height tails off over generations, meaning tall people tend to over time reproduce not as tall people.

[@kcb8130]

​@@GUITARTIME2024 it actually depends on the height of the woman than the height of the man A 6inch height difference between partners is almost a guarantee for birth defects, distressed/ obstructed birth, etc because the woman can't handle a large skeletal structure from a taller male

[@KeffMiller]

I’m 6’ 8”, I only get amazement and extreme attraction from the women who like me mostly. Never had a girl say I was too tall. I talk to a lot of girls who are 5’ 6” or even shorter. I think those studies say that because 6’ 8” sounds like a crazy height so women put that anything higher than 6’ 5” isn’t really attractive, but in real life it isn’t actually THAT crazy. Like you aren’t really gonna be able to tell the difference from me and someone 3 inches shorter unless you’re really paying attention, also, I feel like most dudes when they get really tall just have weird shaped bodies, I look at a lot of other tall guys and they’re just honestly proportioned in a very weird way, but I look very normal proportion wise thank god. I also don’t have a horse face like most guys this height.

[@formless_dev]

It's not that being extremely tall (6'6+ let's say) is bad, you're still gonna be much better off than a guy that's average height; it's just a bit less optimal than being 6'1-6'5. Like you said, I do think the fact that a lot of extremely tall guys have odd proportions or features is a part of that. Basically, if you're anything over 6', take care of yourself, and don't act like a weirdo around women, you've hit the jackpot and have nothing to complain about.

[@cseptember6562]

There is no such thing as too tall to a lot of women

[@T-Hawkeyes]

As a shorter guy, I can tell you, you gotta find a shorter girl. It’s math.

[@BalrajSingh-k5g]

😊😊😊

[@flch95]

And then you see a 5’1 girl with a 6’4 guy and think, “man….of all the ones you picked” lol.

[@joe42m13]

I'm 5'6, but I've dated girls from 5'2 to 5'10. Having personality can help, but having insecurity definitely hurts

[@nicimie]

Sorry can I ask how tall you are? 😁 as in when would a guy call himself short

[@T-Hawkeyes]

@@nicimie5’7.348”, but I’m not counting 👀

[@Martyisruling]

He's wrong on height. The cut off being 6'1, I think he's wishfully thinking there. Around 6 feet, your height doesn't hurt or help. Once you get to 6'2, you are much more attractive to most women. Every inch above that, only adds to it. There might be a cut off, and the woman's height might play more into that. I've only known a handful of people who were around 7 feet tall. But most guys I know at 6'6 and 6'7 did unreasonably well with women with little effort.

[@fiat_ow7876]

I'm 5'5 and I have not had a single woman attracted to me in my 24 years of life. I had 1 girlfriend, but she used me for attention, and didn't really realize it cause I was young and dumb, and she cheated on me with some dude that was like 6'3, a drug dealer, and worked at a Dunkin donuts. I did the red pill meme shit of having a high paying job, improving my physique, doing a lot of stuff for my face (skin care mostly and a few other things related to that) and it has legit done nothing for me. At the most, people treat me nicer now. I firmly believe that it's a biological impossibility for woman to be attracted to a man that's only slightly taller or the same height as him. I seriously don't think I will get a girlfriend who won't leave me and actually treat me nice unless I get surgery, which honestly doesn't really appeal to me much.

[@bro918]

How do you cope? What are your copes? Im older and shorter than you, kinda just hoping AI/robotics can soon reach a decent point where I can experience something

[@fiat_ow7876]

@@bro918 I mean I have a pretty great life, good job, good friends, nice family, and I’m in great shape so the only hole in my life is intimate relationships. I just count my blessings and truly accept who I am, my strengths and limitations. I’m sure there’s a woman out there that will accept my height but that’s like finding a needle on the moon.

[@risegaming2047]

I wish I could accept reality and just move on. But I feel much too jaded after learning the reality of life.

[@fiat_ow7876]

@@risegaming2047 The feeling will go away with time. You can do pretty much everything in life except unfortunately a romantic relationship if you aren't blessed with physical attributes.

[@risegaming2047]

@@fiat_ow7876 "With time" I'm assuming you've had this realization for a while now? I'm in my early 20s and only since last year have the layers of these blackpills started to unravel to me.

[@IISourAyyII]

As a 5"10 dude I never ever felt short, rather I felt 7 foot tall because of the way I carry myself. Once the convo started being brought up though, I suddenly feel like I'm 5"5. Certainly the height pill stuff is unhealthy cause I went 25 years thinking im a good height and ive been double guessing that the last 7 years.

[@zipphora9456]

And studies found that women tend to associate taller men with greater physical strength and ability to protect them. This perceived ability to protect can be an attractive trait from an evolutionary perspective, as it could contribute to the survival and safety of both the woman and her potential offspring. It’s thousands of years of learned behavior, and it’s probably not even a conscious thing.

[@blacklyfe5543]

That's not true anymore that's stone age thinking times are different. Just because you are tall doesn't mean he can protect you, and it doesn't mean he can fight or win in a battle. I've seen some short guys beat em and take a dudes chick like it taking candy from a baby.

[@zipphora9456]

@@blacklyfe5543 We have a lot of Stone Age thinking in our heads. I studied psychology for a while, and you would be surprised. For example, many people stay in bad relationships. One of the most common reasons for this is that they think they can handle the mess. They may have grown up in a broken family or have experienced trauma, so the mess around them feels familiar. Even if it’s bad, they stay because this is what we learned from our ancestors: stick with familiar things because you have a higher chance of survival. Another example is the preference some men have for women with larger hips, which can be linked to biological and evolutionary factors. From an evolutionary perspective, wider hips are often associated with fertility and the ability to bear children. We like to think we are more cultured and clever than our ancestors, but we still have an ancient program in our heads. Thousands of years of psychological learning can't be forgotten quickly. And to be honest, only the last couple of years have been relatively peaceful, which isn’t enough time for significant change. The human body was programmed to survive and reproduce. Many of our actions are linked to this.

[@zipphora9456]

@@blacklyfe5543 We have a lot of Stone Age thinking in our heads. I studied psychology for a while, and you would be surprised. For example, many people stay in bad relationships. One of the most common reasons for this is that they think they can handle the mess. They may have grown up in a broken family or have experienced trauma, so the mess around them feels familiar. Even if it’s bad, they stay because this is what we learned from our ancestors: stick with familiar things because you have a higher chance of survival. Another example is the preference some men have for women with larger hips, which can be linked to biological and evolutionary factors. From an evolutionary perspective, wider hips are often associated with fertility and the ability to bear children. We like to think we are more cultured and clever than our ancestors, but we still have an ancient program in our heads. Thousands of years of psychological learning can't be forgotten quickly. And to be honest, only the last couple of years have been relatively peaceful, which isn’t enough time for significant change.

[@PooFace2030]

Tell me how being tall makes you bulletproof? Or blade resistant?

[@zipphora9456]

@@blacklyfe5543 We have a lot of Stone Age thinking in our heads. I studied psychology for a while, and you would be surprised. For example, many people stay in bad relationships. One of the most common reasons for this is that they think they can handle the mess. They may have grown up in a broken family or have experienced trauma, so the mess around them feels familiar. Even if it’s bad, they stay because this is what we learned from our ancestors: stick with familiar things because you have a higher chance of survival. Another example is the preference some men have for women with larger hips, which can be linked to biological and evolutionary factors. From an evolutionary perspective, wider hips are often associated with fertility and the ability to bear children. We like to think we are more cultured and clever than our ancestors, but we still have an ancient program in our heads. Thousands of years of psychological learning can't be forgotten quickly. And to be honest, only the last couple of years have been relatively peaceful, which isn’t enough time for significant change.

[@mihailmarkov1266]

My wife told me, even though she loves me very much that had I been shorter (5 cm probably) she would not have given me a chance. I am 175cm or 5'9". She is 160 cm or 5'3". It was non-negotiable for her, maybe it really is on the subconscious level.

[@gdeco707]

To me is crazy how people think you are short if you’re height is between “5”7 - “5”10 but you are actually average height

[@mk71618]

Well 5'9" is the average height for adult males in the US, as Chris mentioned - but someone who's 5'7" is exactly the 25th percentile/shorter than 75% of men, and 5'10" is taller than 60%+ of men. I agree people's perspective on height is really warped and way too much energy's wasted caring about something so superficial and pointless, but they're specifically talking about relative height dating preferences here and the range you gave is pretty huge and not representative of the average, according to the official data (which is publicly available from the CDC's 2015-2016 national height survey, if anyone wants to check it out).

[@realAdamClinch]

I'm 5'7 and I do just fine, but that's based on what I personally want. if my goal was to get tons and tons of hookups, then maybe I'd feel like a failure lol but that never brought me any happiness anyway. my thing is, what's the point if it doesn't become special? why hook up if I'm not gonna see her again? I've always preferred building something emotional and substantive, even if that means waiting or getting my heart beat up a few times in the process. and that's because I'm happy with the rest of my life, so I can fall back and recover pretty well when things don't work out.

[@jonathanjoestar275]

From the naked eye. 5'10-6'0 almost looks the same, it's crazy 😭.

[@kitkakitteh]

Nah, it doesn’t. But maybe. But it also doesn’t matter ❤

[@fmcdomer]

So women with 6' minimum filters Are missing out on all the 5.9" 5.10" 5.11" Who could be a better match or a billionaire lol

[@erik4177]

@@kitkakitteh „Yes but no, also it doesn’t matter.“ Thanks for the input 😂

[@gj9157]

​@@kitkakittehSo it does matter.. lol

[@neilt6480]

In actuality, you're probably right. But I reckon that women have come to this number because they look at a guy's relative height. 5'10 looks a lot different to 6'0 when they're standing next to each other.

[@alexl.4362]

I would say if a guy has a good-looking face and is as tall or a bit taller than the girl, he's got a shot. Otherwise, it's pretty brutal for short dudes in the U.S.

[@Butlins14]

I see so many 8+ women going with 5"8-5"10 men usually boy band lookalikes

[@janetmcguffey1394]

a taller man does catch my attention..BUT acouple of my biggest crushes were confident guys with personality to spare- both about my height (5'5")....

[@kitkakitteh]

Agree, I did the same thing for the same reason: the confidence and his ability to set boundaries taught me so much. ❤

[@gj9157]

Can't out win a confident tall guy though.

[@danmarinho1403]

​@@gj9157Can with a lesser facially attractive taller guy tho

[@James_36]

yea sure... personality is about as changeable as height also

[@katemaura1545]

Interestingly I also thought I would marry a guy that was taller than me. Part of this assumption was most likely due to my dad being 6'1" and my mom being 5'2". I'm 5'6" and my husband is 5'6" as well. Personality was much more meaningful than height.

[@turtle-ot2qc]

​@@ALLTake-v2pJesus loves you 💓

[@ghomood]

personality is just a cope

[@diegoayala634]

5’10 gang

[@chuch541]

5’11 gang burntOrangepill

[@TheAcdcnz]

Great height

[@JackJonValois]

The average select by women on Tinder and Bumble is 6'4 so set your height to that. I am 5'11 and have been on 82 dates and non of them noticed so only worry about their height in comparison.

[@Arejen03]

would be hard for me as 5"7 lol

[@JackJonValois]

@@Arejen03 I wouldn't even bother with dating apps at that point

[@hs-fu6qt]

Since most of 5'10 guys saying they r 6' If u r real 5'11 u could pass as 6'1 so perfect height for every girls 😂😂

[@JackJonValois]

@@hs-fu6qt I just put in 6'4 and most of them were too dumb to even notice, I think like 2 out of the 82 I went on a date with asked about it who were like 2 inches taller than me that lied in their bio but I was trying to avoid the tall women anyways. Its funny though that women tend to lie about themselves being much taller than they are.

[@DaDainDan]

I think it's important to emphasize the sources being cited (Speed-dating, Dating Apps, Stated Preferences). It is all low-engagement first impressions. Vibes and actions are significantly more important when it comes to attracting women (for long-term relationships), and that just doesn't bear out in those kind of environments. I guarantee, if you compared the kinds of men women have dated/are dating to their stated preferences, there would be major discrepancies. This is even true with men when it comes to valuing girls' looks. The reality is that if you meet someone you click with (emotionally, comedically, whatever) you would date them in a heartbeat even if they didn't quite meet your ideal preferences.

[@renachiiuwu6463]

It isn’t black and white. Both “look’s, and personality traits” are equally important for LT relationships. Certain level of mutual physical attraction needs to be met.

[@AlmostlessThanHuman]

Wrong height is a single most important thing to women if you are below her minimum threshold then odd of it happening is slim to none regardless of the other things

[@DaDainDan]

​@@renachiiuwu6463 It is undeniable that there needs to mutual physical attraction. Looks are almost always important in terms of getting your foot in the door. You're probably never getting a date if your vibes+looks score doesn't meet a certain threshold, but once you're actually dating, you're generally only moving forward by maintaining vibes and having good character. I really just have an issue with the people who grossly exaggerate woman's standards and/or use their own physical attractiveness as an excuse for why they aren't pulling. Most people can look decent if they try to, so long are they aren't obese or deformed or something. The reality is most of the guys complaining about this shit either are already attractive enough or at least have the potential to be, but they either aren't talking to enough women or are too social inept to successfully court one. It's also possible their own standards are too high. Based on a couple of my friends and statements from other dudes online, I think porn, anime, IG models, Hollywood, or any combination of the four have broken their minds as to what normal women actually look like.

[@AlmostlessThanHuman]

@@DaDainDan "grossly exaggerate women standards" no one's exaggerating anything bud but it's literally what they asked for themselves

[@AlmostlessThanHuman]

@@DaDainDan says anime is a problem has a cartoon profile pic lol bro I don't watch anime and I haven't watched porn in like a year and a half worse decision of my life by the way because the majority of women consider you just above the moral equivalent of a rapist or murderer just because you're sub 5'5

[@TheSoggyOne]

gg i'm 5'4. Please let me respawn as a 6'3 gigachad. or a crocodile. thanks.

[@bro918]

its all so tiresome.

[@kkp4297]

I'm the perfect height and weight. 188cm and 188 lbs. This doesn't help my dating prospects though.

[@CyborganizdInc.-gc5so]

How is your F.A.C.E.?

[@Christians9955]

I m 5'7 - happy with my height. Dated woman were taller then me, 5'9 max. Never spoke to them about it and never was a issue. I find with smaller woman, 5'3 and less they want men +6'1 which is ridiculous. I can understand a woman wanting a taller men but when its way to tall then its odd and annoying.

[@yoonshub]

Nah man there are some of us who wants shorter guys, I'm 5'3 and i want a man who's 5'3 or up I dont prefer extremely tall men, i just want to look up in his eyes without hurting my neck😭

[@Christians9955]

@@yoonshub that's a rare then. Trust me, most women want the opposite to you at your height. I know a guy who's that height. From Sydney, Australia. His Italian background.

[@Es97Coqui]

You’re not short dude…. seriously? Short is actually below 5’6.

[@James_36]

@@Es97Coqui it actually annoys me how people keep saying how their shrot and then saying 5ft 7... it is below average but nobody is picking on your height with shoes on

[@bobbydigital8056]

So glad that I'm 6'3" and don't have to worry about this shit.

[@nateleibold4221]

It accounts for 33% of a woman’s attraction scale. Which is the leading metric of all the stated preferences.

[@csack7904]

I've listed myself as 6'3-6'4 on a dating app before. 6'8 seems to intimidate the ladies. Not so much in person, but on paper they seem to think 6'8 YIKES

[@MarylandGuy-ey3st]

You got a niche market though

[@catvador9145]

"Not so much in person" yh bro ofc

[@tonycamacho3015]

Body shaming men because of their height is okay… but mention a woman’s body weight and get labeled as being toxic 😂

[@One_Flew_West]

My husband is only about an inch taller than me. I'm 5ft 7. I have a bit of a thing for shorter guys. Tall men do nothing for me.

[@JaymieSxxb]

Speak that real shi

[@Es97Coqui]

That’s not short baby. Short is actually below 5’6.

[@One_Flew_West]

@@Es97Coqui Many, many women would disagree.

[@catvador9145]

You are 2-3 inches above average. He is 1 inch below average. Still wondering if you really believe YOU did the concession here

[@One_Flew_West]

@@catvador9145 Concession? I don't believe that. I can't stand when women look down on men, literally and mentally, when they are shorter. That's my whole point.

[@Matteo.657]

Height matters but if you're unattractive and broke then being tall doesn't help so face and status matter more unless you're really short(under 5'5) because I almost never see a man my age(29) under 5'5, most short men my age are over 5'5 so around 5'6-5'8 which is just normal short cause that's still taller than the average woman and most men in that height range that I see have wives, they are handsome and confident around women.

[@James_36]

my tall friend who is constantly broke been a bachelor most his life gets women al the time... quit the cope

[@Matteo.657]

@@James_36 So it’s cope to focus on other qualities over something you can’t change like height?

[@James_36]

@@Matteo.657 no just pointing out how you are just flat out wrong implying that a tall guy who is broke will get nothing which is just wrong - hence u r coping with that lie

[@carljohnson6264]

I’m glad you said “basketball height” When you’re 6’6 and play ball, That’s short, But it’s tall out here with the rest of the folks. Being really tall doesn’t hurt, I’m not sure who lied to this guy lol When the 6-10 athlete walks in the door…. EVERYONE notices

[@bluddie7383]

6’6 is the average nba height and that’s in shoes so what r u on about

[@Xag2011]

I’m 6ft 2 255lbs husky and I use the dating app Mamba the first day I found the most beautiful woman I picked who I wanted and got her but I still had to put in work she is currently my girlfriend but in highchool the popular cool guys got all the woman being tall didn’t matter

[@olanderdecastro52]

Take it from a 5’6” guy...it matters a lot. But, you know, too bad just deal with it bro.

[@JIm-w1b]

I'm 5/7 and my wife Susie is 5/10. We've known each other since kindergarten age and we grew up as super close friends and a teenage couple together. Susie she's always been tall for her age and a head taller than me, until I finally caught up a little around 9th grade. We've always accepted our differences in height as simply the way we are, and I think everybody else, should be the same way.

I am 6ft 1, 185cm and for me its always been about finding a team partner - your mental capacity defines your height. I am originally a skincare / sunscreen formulator - and I define "age" based on a persons curiosity. NOT by the products you use or age appropriate clothing and behaviour.

I don’t have one

[@FlamingCockatiel]

Do you still work in that field? If so, could you tell me about the process? I like product development.

@@FlamingCockatielactually yes I do … first of all it depends on the product and what need you’re trying to fill (no pun intended) in the skincare space - would you like me to go through all this here in the comments?

[@FlamingCockatiel]

If you are willing, I would be interested. I had a product developer from a cosmetic company give a presentation to chemistry students my freshman year, and all the tweaking that had to go on fascinated me. I also spent some time as a product developer myself.

[@Anonymityfan]

I think this is another 1 of the many many reasons why dating is so much harder than men because a man is expected to not ony be taller than her but to be taller than average. Men need to have a good face, good height, good job, good charisma, good personality whereas women literally just need to have a nice face, good personalities, not overly promiscuous and relatively young for an adult. Honestly being a woman is such a blessing in dating it's insane.

[@crazycatpetera1404]

I’d say anywhere from 6’1 to 6’5 would be perfect for most women. The ‘Giants’ & the ‘Slightly under 6fters’ will taper off similarly, like 6’6, 6’7, 6’8 & 5’11, 5’10 & 5’9 will taper off slightly but nothing significant. 6ft seems to be the average in most people’s minds (even-though it’s not) and nobody wants to settle for average. But it’s at 5’8 downwards where every inch is brutal and very costly 😂

[@vrcmf3172]

I use to work in a print. Many times sat in on casting calls for none theoretical commercials and shoots. So saw both female and male models. And whilst many male models are 5’10-6ft basically all the same height because of shoes (because many of the 6ft models are really 5’10 5’11) even the male models who were 5’7 were dating very beautiful women. I think it’s that most men are not that good looking. Most guys don’t have jawlines, and distinct features so height is all women have with “average” men I’m personally 6’1 but felt ugly as shit next to them. Tom cruise is 5’7 but was always really good looking. I heard from a girl who worked with David Gandy he’s actually 6ft barely but again he’s incredibly good looking. Which is rare for men. Women can go out and make an ass at the gym, get lips done etc. Men-get mocked if they try anything

[@African_Rose]

Boycott small women if you hope for grandkids

[@wejpasadena1]

I’ve heard women say they would NEVER want a partner shorter than them. I understand wanting a tall guy…but NEVER?

[@EntrepreneursInCars]

Why did Macken skip over the fact that fitness cues, and a v taper, can minimize the points lost by shorter men?

[@cosmiclounge]

Presumably for the same reason he didn't find it necessary to declare 'all else being equal' after every statement. Obviously, physical attraction is not simply a monotonic function of height. However, ceteris paribus, 6'1" always trumps 5'10" in the aggregate.

[@anisenkrill6179]

Stepping on your wallet to get to 6'-1" also works really well Rich...

[@murphymacken]

We did discuss this elsewhere! :) We talked about how bodily masculinity was a better predictor of male mating successs than height.

[@cosmiclounge]

And because these 'solutions' are self-evident to the sort of person who doesn't mistake their IQ for a percentage; if one cannot measure-up favourably on a particular axis, then of course, it behoves to compensate in other domains. Arguably, the salient advice would be to cultivate your USPs: Eric "Lizardman" Sprague might indeed alienate 95% of the theoretical dating-pool, but I can guarantee that the remaining 5% won't care less whether he's 5'6" or 6'6"-because there's only one Eric Sprague, and within the domain of 'Lizardman embodiment' he reigns unchallenged. If you haven't the pedigree to make it as a stallion, then the solution is to make yourself a unicorn.

[@renjit9044]

Because it helps, but only on the margin. Would still get rejected by the best of the younger women. Race, Height, Money, all matter. Wrong race or height usually knocks you out with a lot of the attractive women despite fitness cues and money. One big issue is with obesity and female mental issues there are not enough decent women to go around.

[@hens13]

I could be any height in the world, still wouldn’t get any intimacy ever

[@k.k8291]

Don't need any studies for that, it's obvious.

[@JGComments]

The things I really hate is that you are actually honest about your height, let's say 5'9" - 5'11" , women will actually assume you are lying and that you are actually 5'6" or 5'7". They will assume that if you were actually 5'10" you would just lie and say 6'. They really can't tell the difference.

[@toasterpastries5811]

*I'm a 5'5" and for a long time I've been considering unaIiving myself.*

[@aghost3628]

Stay strong brother

[@SmarterTebya]

jesu christ mate, I hope you're okay. There is nothing that special in relationships really. Especially considering they all end pretty badly

[@maenad1231]

3:20-3:40 If the theory that tall ‘height = subconsciously seen as a being a better protector’ thing is true this only makes sense. The biggest physical/sexual threat to women is NOT other women and it’s not children. It’s MEN and always has been for all of history. Of course the ideal isn’t gonna be substantially taller/more intimidating than herself, it’s gonna be substantially taller/more intimidating than the average man.

[@michiel5160]

In fighting sports they have weight classes, not height classes. If you're taller but lanky, you don't look and probably aren't as dangerous as a shorter more jacked dude.

[@adrienchl4265]

this made sense back when we used to fight with swords and shields. but it makes ZERO sense nowadays with firearms. Guns are the one thing that puts everybody on the same tier. No wonder the government wants to ban guns ...

[@CyborganizdInc.-gc5so]

@@michiel5160 but a 7ft guy is more likely to be 300+ lbs than a 5'7 guy and still be fit.

[@Hazardlv]

Im 20ft11 and i gotta admit sometimes its a struggle😢

[@FrancesAn23]

No idea why I'm watching this segment because I'm a short girl (154cm, about 5 1). But it's sad to see so many boys in the comments feel insecure about their height. Er, I'm just one opinion but I think for both sexes, proportion is probably important as well and might be able to override 'shortness disadvantage'. Taller people in general have better proportions, although that's not set in stone. So that probably explains why some taller women are open to shorter men: he might have a nice character but also be good at styling himself in a way that makes his proportions look good. Good luck everyone!

[@James_36]

they do not feel "insecure" do you realise calling it that is also a slur by you? insecurities are SELF perceived negatives that maybe not even negative at all... HEIGHT and lack of it in men is an absolute prejudice by women mainly which then has a negative effect on men and how they view them as a result.

[@gregory3227]

Im 5’7.5” and here in California I’ve never had a problem with dating women of any height. Be confident, be enjoyable company, carry yourself well, and you will attract what you deserve.

[@Michael-gs8og]

That's because the immigrants are in California and plus, California is a liberal state. People who are more liberal are less concerned with superficial things, such as height. True story.

[@ot4kon]

imagine making the gender swapped version of the movie shallow Hal where the female protagonist see every man more handsome and taller. And the romantic interest is a 5'1 dude.

[@eNv3n0mX]

Im 6'6. Everyone asks how tall I'm, I say 6.4

[@inokerogoyawa]

I’m 6’2 but tell people I’m 5’10…Half of them don’t know the difference lol

[@ryanhopkins5239]

Im 5'4" and my girlfriend is 5'3".