How much stronger is Whis than Beerus?!

[@zeldiyxl894]

If he can one shot beerus, there's no way he can be ONLY 50% percent stronger.

[@Krisulven]

Fr

[@GuyVick]

Facts

[@sagarkukreti5459]

That's one hell of point

[@UltraPickleMan]

Nappa power level:5000 Goku power level:8000 Goku:Stands on Nappas head and bullies him

[@mendovuls]

Me with a power level of 7,999.9: 👁👄👁

[@JRacer524]

Whis could be stronger than 1.5 times Beerus power, but he is not allowed to show it due to Angel Law. If they break that law, then they will disappear. This was discussed during the Moro arc in the manga.

[@wp699]

He’s definitely several times stronger than beerus. The dude has never broken a sweat in battle and never really went serious or powered up- this is the case against ultra instinct goku, sparring both goku and vegeta at the same time, and even one shotting beerus as easily as he beat goku

[@jeevanpujara2029]

​@@wp699true, he seems to be able to dog walk ( cat ) Beerus in a serious fight . 1.5x times stronger isn't That strong, nearly 1 tapping him , power gap is massive

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

he cannot fight a mortal. he can in theory fight a destroyer tho. but it wouldn't be much of a fight considering he can lightly tap Beerus unconscious.

[@gamerboiiiiiii]

Thats stupid

[@Pyroties]

@@jeevanpujara2029piccolo had 3.5k pl in the Saiyan saga and nappa had 4k and piccolo got destroyed

[@SonGokuUI7]

Whis is The Best Angel of them all alongside vados my second favourite ❤

[@SnipedDB]

Merus is mine

[@SonGokuUI7]

@@SnipedDB oh I missed him bro but I'll add him too ❤️

[@Inferius_mc]

@@SonGokuUI7 sup

[@TheAdministrator]

That's assuming their power scaling is linear. It's clearly not if whis can one shot beerus. Besides, it's heavily hinted that the power of the angels goes well beyond anything else, with the grand minister sitting at the pinnacle of power or atleast near it. The gap between level 10 n 15 must be significantly larger than 6 and 10 going by that scale, and even then, the difference between goku n beerus might be larger than we thought.

[@maskedcat4520]

But beerus is the strongest G.O.D so it could be that just like goku who is a mortal yet can defeat most G.O.D's or cannot defeat 2 or 1 and solo's the rest so we could say that beerus is like goku and is stronger than some angels

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

so far Beerus is the strongest non angel shown in the series by like an insane gap lol. Goku just tapped into UI in their first fight to stop his blast like he did jirens giant blast in the top.but power level wise Beerus is like broly+ jiren , maybe even stronger

[@MihajloNastic]

​@@maskedcat4520 blud Goku and Beerus most likely can't even hit angels

[@SuperiorheroNothing]

When Toriyama said by scale of 5 - 10 - 15 He didnt mention it in particular lol. He could have just said SSG as 5,SSB as 6,Ui as 7,Mui as 8 etc.

[@BeDatAPickle]

That makes sense

[@ultimatepikachu3106]

The ui wasn't made at that time

[@SuperiorheroNothing]

@@ultimatepikachu3106 They already hinted Ui at Resurrection F. You all underestimate Toriyama more than necessary. Please watch before you comment like those Dragon ball haters.

[@maskedcat4520]

​@@SuperiorheroNothing goku still stands no chance against beerus but that is what is shown since beerus was playing with post tournament of power vegeta in super saiyan blue and has beaten him with one blast and the strongest person in the universe which is debatable if it is gohan or freiza or another person from whis's statement at the end of the granola arc but even so beerus still defeats freiza ,who oneshotted goku and vegeta and he just transformed to show of since he killed gas in his strongest form without a transformation and he did it with a punch so we can conclude from that ,that beerus is atleast a 15 since goku was 6 because if transformations are the numbers then goku is a 10 so that is how I knew how strong is beerus atleast so whis is atleast 22.5

[@MinorPumpingIron]

I like to think of it as 6 was how much Goku had improved from his beginnings. To get to a 12, he'd have to improve that much again. It's kinda multiplicative. If Goku in bog was a 6, and he was 1,000,000 times stronger than his starting point (obviously not the case, but just a placeholder number), then to be a 12, he'd need to get 1 million times stronger again

[@user-sy6ix4gv9g]

Remember,in moro Arc Goku had to use his whole hand to block Moto's attack (earth merged) but who's stopped it with just a finger

[@Boxed-By-Spectre]

Im early for once

[@deeptigour8489]

Day 12. Can you please make a video on weakest to strongest attacks

[@sakshamyadav2621]

I don't think Angles would be 1.5× stronger than a God of Destruction. They would be 5× or 20 time stronger

[@IfechukwuUdeh-lr7pr]

🤔100x is much better😕

[@maskedcat4520]

That is true but beerus IS the strongest G.O.D so we could say that he can beat some angels according to toriyama's statement

[@vfhrgdgd8983]

I think if same scale if beers 10 so who's would be 0×15

[@MihajloNastic]

​@@maskedcat4520 but Whis is not strongest angel lol, for all we know Beerus can't hit any angels because of constant perfect ultra instinct

[@MihajloNastic]

And you OP know more abt Beerus and Whis than Akira Toriyama based off your statement

[@CShellStudio]

He was using a logarithmic scale.

[@itsankit1507]

RIP toriyama ❤

[@BlazeInferno360]

I remember Beerus said to Whis what if I were to destroy you 😡😅

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

then went right back to sleep 😴 lol

[@gamer_timeyt1883]

Whis is constantly in a perfected Ultra instinct state, which we can see that ultra instinct in general is a huge upgrade compared to our super saiyans and any other transformation besides Jirens. I’m assuming that Beerus dropped his power low because of the lazy God he is, plus the fact you don’t want to waste power in dbz anyway but even if that wasn’t true, Whis is still stronger than beerus by a lot.

[@PlixserHighlights]

R.I.P to the goat

[@chayanaggarwal3431]

Hey maybe the scale toriyama used might be an exponential scale it would make way more sense if it is an exponential scale

[@TylireousGaming]

Bro has never heard of Power Creep before 💀

[@karshnmaliya8045]

❤❤❤

[@TheofficialROCKYHASTHEPOWER015]

RIP to AKIRA TORIYAMA

[@KilerMansters]

yes

[@savvysausage9207]

Earthquake scale maybe?

[@loshtrimpo8781]

I like to think Toriyama was talking about Beerus and Whis' non UE/UI state

[@tobster9567]

wonder if it's on like, a logrythmic scale or something

[@czyprodigy2743]

The 6, 10, 15 ratings were only for the DBZ BoG continuity, not for super’s anime or manga. Further, using typical domination multipliers we can assume that Whis has to be at least 2.5x beerus to one tap him with minimal effort, and that’s a lowball for sure.

[@your_average_player-d4c]

he meant 15 thousand😂

[@ElvedinVejsilovic]

RIP AKIRA TORYAMA

[@superbroly2798]

Its def like this 200 for Goku and vegeta 500 for Beerus 1000 for whis.

[@brettz5288]

Significantly.

[@DarkLordofTheRizz]

That doesnt imply the scale has changed, it implies the scale is so much more massive conceptually. George Lucas and Nick Gillard did something almost identical for Starwars, a 6-7 is where you get your foot in the door to do damage to heavy hitters to those in the 8-10 range. They compared it to a richter scale, where the gaps in DP are so much more massive in each tier. The transformations like Blue, instinct and ego could be completely abysmal to the actual scaling, probably only bringing them up a tier or two when comparing them to the big hitting dieities. It makes sense if lets say, instinct brings them up to, a 9 and Beerus is still a 10.

[@DJprofessorK]

Yeah has had to changed that by now. angels are far beyond gods of destruction

[@RandomHollowKnightFan]

And yet Goku's bite actually hurts then😂

[@KKR663]

Rip toriyama

[@anthonymeier628]

Whis little dodged instant transmission that’s goat shit

[@thatguybehindtheglass]

Toriyama just be saying shit, damn if it has to make sense. Haven't you all figured this out yet?

[@michaelwagy-smith7932]

I personally prefer a stair metaphor. ... The first two steps are for people who can't use key. ... The third and fourth are people who can use key but aren't at God level. ... The five and six are people who have God key but aren't God's in name, so you don't have a god title. ........ but you can use weaker variants of Godly techniques or powers like Ultra Instinct and Ultra ego. ... Seven is people who have the powers and the name of godhood with all the powers and abilities that come with their titles. ........ these Godly beans can be weaker than people who don't have Godly titles but they have all the powers so a Supreme Kai can create planets or Reviving people. ... 8 is the people like the Angels. ......... these beans can do everything a God of destruction and God of creation can do and more, like time reversal. ... 9 are people like Zeno ... And finally 10 is the author.

[@crazycanaboy95]

I feel like it's a logarithmic scale so the difference between 10 and 15 I'd something like 50x stronger or more

[@Mr.yapperson]

They probably got from 6 to 7

[@pokediggameshd723]

In dragon ball skill can be just as powerful as raw strength, we see this with goku using UI against jiren where strictly his power level wasn't much higher but each of his movements was pure, sharper, and less hindered by the mind. With whis' skill gap of ultra instinct I wouldn't be surprised if the preciseness of his chop in addition to his power level being higher had a major play here,

[@DarkWolf-407]

Remember vegeta had a 24000 power level when he fought zarbon and he was at 23000 and vegeta was destroying him before he transformed. So you just need to be a bit stronger to thrash someone.

[@obriannkunika9382]

Wait quick question..... Whis mentioned that Beerus hasn't achieved mastered ultra instinct right? And Goku just did. And if am not mistaken Goku is now training with the arch angel to be an arch angel himself right? So how isn't he a match for Beerus as at the moment????

[@itsshrimp91]

Angels in the DBZ universe are so old and powerful that even the slightest of gestures at their smallest of physical forms could obliterate planets from the cosmos. Each angel, if let unleashed due to some sort of hell on earth type armageddon judgement day thingy, would annihilate galaxies in mere heartbeats in mortal time. These angels can alltogether destroy all of existence minus zeno and daishinkin in under a few minutes. Daishinkin can destroy it all in about 3.45 seconds, and Zeno can just ignore anything because he invented all of life as we know it and thus he could so easily erase all of it, starting entirely fresh if he so chooses.

[@smilycraft..6874]

Who is more stronger akumo or zalma😮

[@essesilme1212]

To be a bit of a nerd Units of db power levels are not absolute, just as celcius degrees and thus we cant multiply them Only when we compare powers to themselfs we can make mathematical statments So when Goku reaches the exact power of beerus we can tell that de diffrence between SSG Goku and his current power is arround the same as beerween whis and beerus

[@dbook4424]

I would anticipate that training Goku and Vegeta increased both dieties power you don’t have to fight someone stronger to get stronger you just have to constantly use your techniques to increase them beerus and whis have sparred with both Saiyans a lot Whis-30 Beerus-25 Goku-18 Gohan beast- 17.5 Vegeta-17 If Vegeta can make a giant apparition he will be 18 with Goku if not he and Gohan will be on equal ground

[@rbacon8922]

Guys guys listen, Akira does not stick to anything he says. Ask him again and he'll probably give a different answer i bet.

[@Mehinaz-pj6zi]

Early

[@meganvinson4908]

Ha true

[@tameilt5701]

If Goku was at a 6 when he unlocked SUPER SAIYAN GOD. He might be around 9 or 10 after unlocking TRUE MUI

[@lazerbreaker4758]

he can scale

[@Anos-voldigoad549]

Ssg god and beerus is 6 and 10 meaning 4 gap but beerus is still above 4 transformations of goku and mui goku which is billions times stronger and whis is 15 meaning he will be way beyond the league of beerus

[@ancientbreakdown3724]

Rip

[@spacex6971]

it is a logaritmic scale lol

[@Silmerano]

It depends on the scale. Like if Beerus has a power level of a trillion and Goku and Vegeta were at the 600 billion level that's still a huge gap.

[@Toffyi690]

IF! IIIIFFFFF!

[@abrarkowsarkaif6400]

What if the numbers are in earthquake scale where the difference between 6 and 10 is 10000 times. As goku with kaioken 20 and blue he has 1000 times boost which would put him in 9 now. The mastered ultra instinct is not a power up but a state of mind but if it is more powerful than he could be at from 9 to 9.5. this would make sense of toriyamas statement.

[@Pseudo___]

You are assuming 10 and 15 were linear.. maybe it was logarithmic

[@scary_gaming.]

Is zeno is also a type of God of destruction ?

[@PrimalBeastSK]

No.. zeno is god of everything.

[@GuyVick]

In a way yeah but he isn’t a destroyer tho.

[@wander7812]

Joke on the fans, asking the guy who djslikes Power Levels, and can't consistently Power Level, to Power Level characters.

[@thrilldaythe13th]

We can identify a 1000x gap by finger blocking or is that x100 its 1 or the other either super or mighty

[@somyamehta4neptune251]

Maybe they grew stronger as well ?

[@wp699]

I agree with this video- but what super gets wrong about the dragon ball formula is eventually the saiyans always surpass their teachers. But it’s been 10 plus years and several god transformations later and they still get beaten. It’s getting annoying at how no matter how far they progress they are nothing to the gods. It’ll come a time where they have to make the saiyans much stronger than their teachers. This no matter how much they train they always weaker than whis and beerus formula is getting old. The saiyans having no limit to their potential and always surpassing their teachers (even gods or angels) is the whole formula dbz got right. Super seems to completely ignore the z formula. They’re gonna have to reintroduce it eventually. A timeline where goku never surpasses beerus or the angels is unacceptable

[@nats7peanuts]

Could say Blue is a 6.5 and true ui is an 8 maybe?

[@pixelatedink955]

Yall, whis one shotted beerus due to one of those neck chop moves. Those that were made to specifically knock our anyone. Of course using said thing that one shots the body will one shot. It shows that whis is powerful, and stronger than beerus, but in no way can he KO beerus in a single PUNCH. Thats the problem with power scaling. All people think about is STR , and never TEQ, AGL, INT, or PHY. Love dokkan battle. (Translate | Nerd --> English) Thats the problem qith power scaling. All people think about is strength, never technique, agility, intelligence, or physicality.

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

he literally did tho when he put Beerus back to sleep when he threatened to destroy him, next scene Beerus is sitting there with his head bandaged lmao. "I simply give him a quick bop on the noggin"

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

not saying that's not a good point, however whis literally did ko Beerus. with a punch to the head

[@NicolaiSmith-do7ug]

Mui goku and ue Vegeta fused 🤯🤯🤯

[@superstarchris3925]

Beerus in the anime / manga is much stronger than battle of gods beerus. In battle of gods it was stated that beerus used 70% of his full power to fight ssg goku. However in the anime they never said a certain percentage. It was just stated he held back. I believe that the true scaling is ssg goku is 50, ssg goku ToP is 20,000. Ssb goku is 1,000,000. Mui goku is 120,000,000,000. And beerus is 100,000,000,000 while whis is a 150,000,000,000

[@odiagam5755]

One piece fans often said luffy gear 5 can easily defeat beerus just by imagining become Whis 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@user-px9jd4nl9e]

If Goku was 6 at SSG ; he became 6.5 at SSB, 7 at First glimpse of UI, 7.5 at semi mastery of UI, 9 at Complete mastery. I don't think its simple math. If Goku used kaioken × 2, he would be 12. Nah that's not how it works. Also, Beerus might have gotten stronger to 10.5. 15 for Whis just goes to tell you how incredibly strong Whis is.

[@BD-tb5oc]

Maybe their normal strength. Maybe the gods and angel could transform. If goku and vagita are surpassed than whats fun watching the animation

[@user-du8nz4we9k]

He the trainer of goku, vegetaand beerus and whis is traung himself

[@JamilAlhalabi-go7jk]

We havent even seen Beerus' Full power 🤷‍♂️

[@natesettles9126]

Do you remember the saga when Goku became a God that means Goku is stronger than all of them because of beeru

[@rablank4640]

currently, i think its like this: Whis - 17.5 Beerrus - 10 Goku - 6.5 Vegeta - 6

[@dapankumar8158]

Rip those who think a single angel can beat all god of distruction😂😂

[@TheReal2KD]

Goku is a 9.5 compared to beerus then and Vegeta is an 8.5. I would assume beerus is secretly training too. So I would bump that up to like a 13. Whis also training Goku, Vegeta and beerus at the same time, so I would put him at the 30-40 range.

[@androsamb7761]

In the manga, we all know that Beerus solo every Gods of Destruction so there's a that Whis can fight against 6 Angels mid diff

[@muzamilSadat1]

If he is stronger and can defeat beerus then how is it 1.5times i am with you

[@doubleoof7907]

So if SSG is 6, and SSJ is a 50x multiplier, then Goku and Vegeta should’ve FAR surpassed them both

[@ilikepigs7937]

Beerus = Belmont * 1.5 (Belmont held up in zen exhibition at full power) Jiren > Belmont Goku > Jiren Goku > Beerus

[@baowolf0011]

You're making a lot of assumptions here. Beerus can still be a 10 and Whis still a 15. TUI Goku can be a 9. You seem to be assuming that each power up gives him a numbered level, but you have zero reason to think so. If SSJG is a 6 for you know SSJB could be 6.5 or even no more than 6.1. Stop making assumptions.

[@ZanderMunk534]

Power scaling makes no sense in dragon ball anymore. Every angel and god just has plot armor now. They’ll always be as strong as the creators need them to be 😂

[@kocar0021]

If Beerus is a 10, UI Goku & UE Vegeta are .75. Whis is a 100K. Or maybe Whis can become whatever power level he needs for that moment. He can be a 0 if he is eating or ♾️ while training Beerus or anyone else.

[@tacomiester]

That is not how a 1-10 scale works a human is a 1 but it’s not where near a 10th of beerus it’s not a linear scale

[@Daddy387]

Nah if berus is 1% Then whis is 99%

[@L2B-2S1]

I’ll take a guess whis is 10 times stronger

[@universalgamer8010]

I mean... 6... Ego could be a 7-8. You have to remember that is a god scale. Just like super Saiyan 3 isn't only 3 times stronger than super Saiyan. People call Jupiter a failed star, but it would require several times it mass to be a star thus not really making it close to a star. In other words Whis is SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful than Beerus. Whis could probably fight Beerus and Vegeta and Goku at the same time.... Black Frieza for example could be a 9 on the scale. Whereas the other gods of destruction could be a 9.5

[@Jeffbestbudstoby-z1224]

MUI and UE is stronger the beerus that’s why when Goku unlocked MUI All the god of destruction stood up cuz Goku surpassed them all

[@user-wx6mf6wx7d]

Bro when vegita in a rage state in ssj 2 blasted beerus with hit final flash beerus said that it was 10% of his power and that was only a 100 times base and ssj God is 100,000 times multiple so goku should have won that fight

[@tankofnova9022]

SSG Goku:6 Berrus: 10 Whis :15 Logically, with this scale SSB goku would be a 300 Yaaaaa No

[@Colt-45ThreeZigZags]

Yeah goku would be a 25 rn with the multipliers of each transformation. Whis is like a 50 and beerus like a 35 lol

[@rhysmendozavilla2378]

This was debunked by toryama a while ago and is not an official scaling

[@Ace-br8kd]

It’s more like goku is a 14, beerus is a 21 and whis is a 100

[@Poetic_Justice92]

Power scaling in DBS is so inconsistent. You got basic fighters going toe to toe with God Ki level fighters even though God Ki is supposed to be the strongest Ki accessible? Why was Hit on par with SSB Goku? Why did Goku need UI to defeat 2 novice female Saiyans who could only reach SS2? Shit doesn't make any sense. The God Ki transformations really seem useless.

[@user-bg1jp7jw4c]

Where did you get 1.5 beerus when he said beerus is a 10 and whis is a 15 😐

[@wp699]

I’d say whis at least 2-3 x stronger than beerus (at least)

[@Speed4Runs]

Even Merus far surpasses Goku lol, Whis is like 666x Beerus who is at least 1e173735 times stronger than Goku.

[@Tonba1]

I stg these videos are AI generated holy shit

[@willemvanstaveren6527]

If goku = 6 and he can use kaioken x 40 😂

[@MaplesMC]

No you wrong if whis is 11 hes 2x stronger than 10 and so on so if whis is a 15 then he is 2x2x2x2x2 which is 32x stronger.

[@samuelmiller9544]

Jokes on everyone. He's using a logarithmic scale and doesn't tell everyone that's how it's working

[@timothy2321]

SSB Goku would be 300 than.

[@stefananghel7485]

I think goku and vegeta ui and ue are a 8 and beerus is a 27 and whis is a 49