How much to fly a Cirrus?

[@JapanesePiano1]

I saw a thirteen year old comment after the video so... I’m also 13 and I’ve been looking for a old Cessna 152, and scholarships available to start my flight training. SR-22 is also my favorite aircraft specifically the turbo version. I’ve been doing free courses on Embry Riddle. I also have a yoke and throttle like your flight sim at my home and practice a lot with it. I’m heading to Sun N Fun to hopefully really kick start my future career. Love the video. Didn’t even think of how much it would be to fly an SR-22. Keep up the great work.

[@CaptainBobSim]

I am thirteen and looking for a Cessna 150/152 as well! Just got the CH Products Flight Sim Yoke.

[@JapanesePiano1]

Kahurangi Millin Oh, didn’t read it I was trying to type it on mobile.

[@robyncroix8862]

No way, my brother is 15 and he is going to Embry Riddle too. The one in AZ. We’re looking for a new 2019 SR20

[@kerbalscuffedprogram4705]

I’m 14, I wish I had money

[@JohnLemieux]

Nothing gets me hotter than a spreadsheet calculating wet rates by the hour.

[@StefanDrury]

I should have rated this video MA15+

[@benedettococila1401]

Hi Stefan finally I’ve found someone in Australia - I’m about to take my first flying lesson at age 43 - hoping to stay tuned to your channel and continue find some useful information Cheers Bene Sgro!

[@mongkoktakeaway]

I don't care about the content for this. But a man who can work a spreadsheet and a man with a face like Stefans, jesus I'd watch all day.

[@JasonM74]

I’ve done these same calculations with the fleet of BEECHCRAFT that I rent from. It’s always worth doing. I usually go for the slower aircraft as I’m still looking to build time. When I go on a trip I really don’t care how long it takes. As long as I have the fuel capacity. Also, great to find a new KZbinr to follow. Great videos!

[@hugelavalava]

Hey Stef, informational video mate, I hung in there so I'll collect my " bonus" points lol. Your enthusiasm gives me enthusiasm 😀. Cheers

[@StefanDrury]

+10 for you hugelaho. Thanks for playing 😁

[@seancouch6699]

hugelaho Is

[@paulcommerford1802]

Not boring at all! Very useful - thanks!

[@SacredKaw]

I really like your editing style.

[@simeon2851]

Bloody hell! I watched the whole thing! And it wasn't too boring.

[@chrisdog491]

I was looking at the prices of the Cirrus SR20 and I found I price that was AU$700.000 - AU$750.000 after all these planes were preowned.

[@jonnozilber4504]

5:00 Mel!! I'd recognise that handwriting anywhere!

[@rodtrevor2315]

Love it. Very well explained and yes have to admit I am a retired maths electrical teacher 😁

[@erickoconnor9443]

This is where experimental aircrafts are so much cheaper. Great video and I even stuck to the end

[@classicraceruk1337]

Really good information Stefan thanks

[@captainredbeard5231]

Great practical advice. I did some very similar calculations when I started my nav training. I already had the required hours in RA for the PPL so I really just needed to knock over some very specific navs (class D, C, and the Nowra VFR lane). Because the actual navigation exercise was the mission and not just building hours, I found it was cheaper to hire a $410/hr, 125 knot (wet + duel) 172 XP than it was to hire the $340/hr, 95 knot Warrior! Something for every new pilot to think about.

[@jamesfrench2454]

In a similar vein, the DA20's I started my nav flights in have ended up being too busy with ab initio students to make them a practical option when I go back and finish the last three. The instructor was shepherding me in the direction of the 172SP (at ~$330/hr) when I do go back. A friend of mine hires his Mooney M20C at a really good wet rate (actually better than what I can hire the DA20 for), so I went off and got my MPPC/RU endorsements to use that as my regular just going for fun aircraft. That pushed me down the rabbit hole of looking at finishing my PPL in the school's M20J. It's only about $10/hr more expensive than the 172, but it zips along about 40-50kts faster so it's very much a no-brainer.

[@splashhs1]

Great video mate. Fascinating. Cheers.

[@deltafan909]

Would be interested to graph out and see if there is a breakeven distance

[@cameronb2765]

How have I never noticed the dash 8 in the background 😍

[@jonthepilot6924]

407 AUD = about 285 USD (today). That's really good. The wet rate in my club for an SR22 is 340 USD and that doesn't include a surcharge for fuel if you don't buy fuel at a cheaper location. (The club buys full service fuel from a local FBO and pays up the rear for it. The SR20 that we have is 250 USD per hour. Prices aren't cheap in the Chicago area.

[@ianleithhead]

$2.02 for Avgas. What golden days they were. Mogas cost me $2.20 yesterday

[@jasonrwilkinson9216]

Hi Stef, first video of yours that I've watched and found the direct cost per mile comparison very interesting. BTW I have the same print of James Bond on the Furka Pass in Switzerland - such an iconic image! Best wishes Jason.

[@StefanDrury]

Hey Jason, thanks for watching the video. So cool you have the same print, it's such an awesome image I love it. Nice to hear from a fellow Bond fan. Cheers mate, Stef 👍

[@DowntownTwo]

I can't even fly, I came here for the spreadsheets.

[@simeon2851]

Same here!

[@miguelslade]

Hi Stef, the Skyranger is 16c per hour.......

[@alankroit]

Great fun video. Your vids are always really enjoyable, but I reckon they are getting better all the time. Well done :-)

[@jaybird1806]

Ha! I recall doing this comparison when evaluating aircraft. I see how the results didn't come out the way you wanted so you immediately changed to justification mode (good job!). As pilots, we can't fool ourselves- we will nearly always choose the faster, sexier, better performing aircraft regardless of the financial justifications.

[@TheGolfdaily]

I made it till the end. Great vid.

[@Brett636]

What causes the cost to rent to be so high? I can rent an SR22 wet here in the states for around or less than what you are paying for dry rental rates.

[@skyforce2132]

This video sure was informative thanks! Also I would go for an SR20 because you know I just want to fly!

[@Hal_T]

I love spreadsheets. The best software tool ever invented. I use them for almost everything. This video wasn't boring at all. (Plus, bonus: I love Cirrus airplanes!)

[@StefanDrury]

Right on spreadsheet brother #cellsForLife

[@gtsguy4138]

You spend lots of time on the ground and in the circuit though so your not always using the extra performance to your advantage.

[@clearprop-richardnash5050]

Brilliant video. I love this kind of stuff.

[@StefanDrury]

Thanks for watching Richard 👍

[@BumHaven]

Good stuff. Made it all the way through. ;-) I will have to remember not to complain about my fuel prices here in the states.

[@ChrisIsOutside]

Hey, so.... how much would it cost to fly to sydney from melbourne in one of these things?? I might have misjudged... its super expensive right?

[@robertATC60]

Hey Mate! Controller at Boston Center with a wife from Toowoomba!

[@StefanDrury]

Hey Robert, welcome to the channel! Thanks for everything you do at ATC for us pilots, always really appreciated.

[@janinebell763]

Interesting, and I stayed to the end.

[@StefanDrury]

+10 bonus points for you Janine. You earned them.

[@tonymorris7377]

I think you missed off the GST in the hire rates.

[@MichaelBrodie68]

Some say it's expensive, but doesn't the bottom line work out cheaper than a suburban taxi? Looking forward to the ATC video. A friend works for Brisbane Centre. I didn't realise before the divide between Melbourne and Brisbane. As I may have mentioned Stefan, I'm limited to simming. Have you done a video of your sim setup? Two final questions arise from this video... 1. How do I fly a Cirrus SR22 and 2. How do I use excel? :)

[@grsly854]

its not just a divide across the country, there's a big difference in how we do things too

[@landen1044]

Damn hes a pro at them spreadsheets

[@sandals76]

Hi Stefan, Just wondering the cheapest place to hire cirrus at ymmb?

[@ZdrytchX]

Oh wow those aircraft rental rates are way cheaper than the cessna 172 I flew at jandakot

[@littleferrhis]

The $2.02 per liter caught me off guard until I did the conversion. For Americans he’s paying over 7 dollars per gallon,

[@bwhite824]

This video actually taught me a bit about using excel lol

[@StefanDrury]

Haha. Hmm... *sets up Excel Tips KZbin channel*

[@brettkp1]

Nice video! One thing that really skews the numbers is the time spent on the ground as that's simply $/min rather than $/nm. So the SR22 will cost a heap more if you've got lots of taxiing or holding to do. Once in the cruise it can become cheaper for the larger/faster aircraft. So at some point it could cross over to be cheaper for the larger/faster aircraft (although not in this example of SR20 vs SR22). Do landing fees differ between the two at Moorabbin?

[@itstabish]

How do I redeem the 10 bonus points?

[@itstabish]

🤣

[@Renny1953]

Wish I had your spread sheet skills!

[@JamesRaffaele]

Thanks for making maths fun to watch. 👍😄

[@squizzygolddogtaylor7463]

Hi So was the SR20 $240 per hour? Cheers

[@spoon2730]

Although this video contains maths and spreadsheets. It was still nonetheless interesting 👍

[@MechanicalFalcon]

Would love to jump on a server in FSX together one day! Would be awesome to have you and a bunch of your fans flying together!

[@JodelFlyer]

Interesting exercise and clearly explained Stef. I would imagine that the majority of your supporters would have followed it to the end in order to find out what the bottom line comparison worked out to be. What happens when you fly away and land? (For example if you had the aircraft for a day but only did 3 hours flying). Is there a minimum hourly rate per day?

[@maxwellmcmahon2268]

Its funny you should say that! I put through a quote request to hire a sr22t for 2 days but will only be flying for 4 hours. They have given me a minimum hire rate of $500 X 5 hours.

[@JodelFlyer]

Thanks for that. i was just wondering. My Jodel does not have anywhere near the performance of the Cirrus but because it is mine I can fly it out to a local airshow for the day with a flight time of only 45 mins each way and I don't have to worry. (Taking into account the hangerage, insurance, maintenance and fuel my hourly rate last year on about 60 hours was in the region of £75/£80)

[@StefanDrury]

Shop around if you're hiring over multiple days. I know various companies and aircraft that handle this differently. Where I hire the Cirrus, some aircraft don't incur additional fees for overnight. TDS for example, when I took that to Longreach over 7 days, I only paid when the engine was running.

[@johnkacarab2661]

I'd like to know how much it actually costs to fly.. Seems ot me to be very high, how do you afford the costs? Seems like it is beyond the average person.

[@westmorland_]

Hey Stef. How come your wet rate for the SR20 is so much lower than that offered by Blue Demon ($305 vs $350)?

[@StefanDrury]

My wet rate was calculated based on me purchasing my own fuel. I don't hire wet from BD so I can't comment but I'd suggest their wet rate is higher to cover fluctuating fuel prices and the labour component for refuelling for you. I'm happy to fuel it myself and return full (like a hire car) to get a lower hourly rate though.

[@westmorland_]

For that sort of saving, I'd do it too. Thanks Stef.

[@N1377J]

A very good video, I watched all of it.

[@StefanDrury]

High five for making it to the end ✋

[@panmaster2715]

HI, Stefan Duty, Which school and where you learn flying Cirrus?

[@sactu1]

I wouldn't be too concerned about the $2.02 per litre - up here in Canberra it's $2.18. BTW, are you going to the Lilydale Flying School nav challenge on Apr 29? Another informative video - tks.

[@StefanDrury]

Ok that makes me feel a little better. No plans to go to Lilydale at this stage, first I've heard about it was just now. If you're heading down be sure to shoot some video, looking forward to your next one.

[@sactu1]

Wilco - if wx behaves, I'll be there. Cheers, Jim.

[@sactu1]

Good to go!!! Cheers.

[@MechanicalFalcon]

Hey Stefan, I may have previously asked for a ride in the backseat, but seriously, do you consider pursuing a career in aviation? I've heard you do something along the lines of computer science or programming? or is it purely passion that has propelled you into a hobby of flying? cheers! loving the videos!

[@drewstrom1]

What do I get to do with my bonus points?

[@NikosWings]

Nice video!

[@StefanDrury]

Thanks Niko. If you're at Sun 'n Fun let me know, be good to say hi.

[@LikedGecko315]

If you choose to go to the army, do they let you get all your ratings and licenses for free?? Nice video btw 👍

[@Haztagz]

SR20 Dry rate only $240.00?? .. That’s cheap! At YSBK the dry Airswitch on the 20 is double that :S

[@mrchristerry]

Ahh, the cost I always wondered about and now I know it, I wish I could un-see it. Sigh. My club PA-28 is £130ph wet but I think in the next year I will look to get a familiarisation flight in an SR22.

[@jamesfrench2454]

You are looking at $240 AUD an hour for those rates so you're already effectively at the dry-hire rate for the SR20. The cirrus is a lot more aircraft for the money!

[@mrchristerry]

Ahh, a good point James. I'd overlooked the currency conversion.

[@schnelleschwaben]

If you fly a SR22 LOP at 10.000ft .You can lean it to less than 12GpH

[@DrewC]

Nice Mac!!

[@Juliette_4]

Are Cirrus parts made in China?. Is that true?

[@glibsonoran]

That's how much more expensive it is to *fly*, but not necessarily how much more expensive it is to *rent*. If you're just flying around to fly or sightsee and then landing back at the rental site, those equations work. But if you're actually going somewhere to do something the plane is going to be on the ground for while, say overnight, and you have to pay the higher rate for that time, and for that time the plane is on the ground the plane's greater speed makes no difference.

[@BretAllenStudios]

If you're getting charged per/hour while the Hobbs meter isn't running, you should find another rental fleet!

[@pbbrown1963]

Good general math. YMMV. Thanks, Mr. Drury.

[@StefanDrury]

Thanks for watching Mr Brown 👍

[@johnpro2847]

All to expensive for moi ..My Syndicate Vixxen LSA works out at $95 per hour wet ..a bit slower but who is in a hurry..

[@kaimalcolm]

Geek3lyf for sure! Love maths, love aviation! Geeks unite!

[@StefanDrury]

🤓

[@Neeeeeeeko]

165kts in a 22 is most def LOP which is more like 12.5 GPH not 18....at 18 GPH I get more like 175 to 180 kts.

[@Kustav]

Hey mate, great vid as always. I've never really liked the aversion to maths in realistic scenarios like this - breaking costs down like this is a great way to see how much is actually being spent. It'd be really interesting to see a rental vs ownership mathematical justification with ownership costs factored into it, even though ownership is just a pipedream. BTW - super jealous of the cost of AVGAS at YMMB. Up at YMUR its $2.50/litre, though a little more reasonable at YBCG at around $2ish.

[@mattyflying5483]

Bro. 2 dollars per liter is cheap. Here in Denmark it's 3 dollars xd.

[@thierryvt]

a faster airplane is almost never going to be cheaper because of simple physics (unless you're comparing an old brick of an airplane with something sleek and modern and even then only maybe). Power requirements (and thus fuel requirements) go up exponentially with speed so an airplane that's twice as fast will require 4 times as much energy.

[@CCitis]

The bottom line is its expensive... 172 for the win!

[@avtweet3269]

Hello Stefan- I'm only 13 and I'm already looking at aircraft on Controller and Trade-A-Plane. I've always wanted an SR-22 (I found one on TAP for 175,000 USD), but the parachute repack just seems too much for me. I then wanted a Piper Arrow, but then I realized I'd need more training for the landing gears. Now I want a Cessna 182 or a Grumman AA5-Tiger, but that is 100% subject to change. What is your recommendation? What should I get? EDIT: If you want to talk to me more about this subject, please contact me on Instagram: @speedysaviation

[@StefanDrury]

Hey Tweet Tweet, great to hear you're interested in aviation at 13 years old. My best advice for you right now, would honestly be to try and get some first hand experience in aviation before even thinking about purchasing an aircraft. Talk to your parents about maybe taking you to your local airport and go chat to some flying schools together. See if you can get some trial flights with a school and just get a feel for what it's like to fly small aircraft. In most countries you need to be 16 years before you can get a PPL/RPL and fly yourself anyway, so you have plenty of time. If you chat to some flying schools with your parents, maybe see if there are any weekend jobs they need help with like cleaning the planes or jobs around the hangar that you can help with. This gets you close to the aircraft, talking to other pilots, and also you could potentially earn some hours towards your flight training when you're older to help with those costs. I wish you all the very best with it, you sound like you love aviation already which is fantastic. But honestly I wouldn't worry about aircraft purchasing just yet. Focus on the flying and getting some experience, and the purchase side of things will follow. Good luck! Stef ✈️👍

[@jamesfrench2454]

Stefan has hit the nail on the head, get the experience first. Don't get disheartened about landing gear training either, once you've got a license it only takes an hour or two!

[@glennllewellyn7369]

Get the Tiger, I guarantee you'll love it. Cheap responsive and fast.

[@capt_ryan]

I should've take the warning more seriously🤤😅

[@spiro5327]

Believe me, i am the world's worst mathematician but from what i can see in your calculations, the 22 is really not much more expensive to fly than the 20. Apart from that i suppose that some pilot's would find the 22 more satisfying/fun to fly, regardless of cost.

[@MrInzeo]

I got the 10 extra points!

[@StefanDrury]

Congratulations! +10 👍

[@derekwarren1862]

did you do this for your wife? P.s that's a really good rate your getting, i wish i could hire a SR20 or 22 at those rates here in the UK

[@StefanDrury]

She doesn't watch the videos, least of all the ones with spreadsheets in them. Plus if I thought she was watching this I'd have halved all the prices 😁

[@hunterbruyere5052]

yay 10 bonus points

[@TM-tw1py]

Sounds like a great trick to convince the wife!

[@call911forcookies2]

wow that's more than twice as much as a C172.

[@JapanesePiano1]

Call 911 For Cookies but it is twice as better

[@universaljudge3790]

Ok "older Jessy" from Jessy & Ginna

[@luft7443]

dam this is expensive

[@timj9350]

I watched because I thought you said spread cheeks.🤦‍♀️

[@yama8265]

you count from the small thing. uwaaaa that is amazing and expensive

[@Jimmythekid007]

Governments have destroyed GA ! That's why I sold my bird 20 yrs. ago. Build a kit plane you can take home and fly on auto gas.

[@willworknow]

If you have to ask...you can't afford EITHER.

[@Ebaybbq]

No I still can’t afford it👻👻

[@manfreddenk7808]

$ 2.02 and you make negative smiley face?? In Germany we pay € 2.30 Euros for Avgas because of idiot taxes. I have negative smiley face every time I fuel my plane at the station... :-(

[@13shandingo]

😂😂😂 bonus points

[@HyoRidaamotovlogs]

Still cheaper per hour than a B738 ;)

[@StefanDrury]

Haha, let me print this comment out and put it on the fridge for my wife to see... 😁

[@julianprus7868]

All too expensive. Does`nt stop me doing it, though.

[@StefanDrury]

Ha, good man, me either.

[@zackriden79]

thi sis dumb expensive plane vrs more expensive plane ,, its like worring about the gas price if your in a lambo

[@samm.b2038]

First

[@StefanDrury]

Bloody hell that was fast! 💨

[@avtweet3269]

DOES ANYBODY CARE

[@samm.b2038]

post notification on

[@PaulAnthonyDuttonUk]

Got to 4 mins and 57 seconds before I stalled from boredom.

[@StefanDrury]

You did well! +20 bonus points for making it past the 4m mark 👍

[@PaulAnthonyDuttonUk]

Only 20? C'mon. Flight chops gives me far more points for my grumpy o'l git sarcasm. :)

[@StefanDrury]

He’s been around longer than me, he can afford to be more liberal with internet points. I’ll give you another +5 for comment creativity though. 👏

[@fingerhorn4]

This is why only the wealthy can afford to fly an essentially incredibly boring aircraft. More than three times the hourly rate of much more engaging other aircraft (the list is endless) and added to that a horrible yoke/sidestick and a panel that looks like it came out of a 1970s land rover or similar. All that expensive technology cannot hide the fact that, though perhaps exaggerated, the safety record is not very impressive despite all the gizmos. To be fair the outside airframe looks aesthetically pleasant, but the inside is totally soulless.