How much water can a ship survive? Rogue Waves & the ships that ENCOUNTERED them!

[@maggiegarber246]

I was on the QE2 in 1996 for a transatlantic crossing. We had 50 foot waves for several hours. That was quite an experience.

[@janetfey]

Seeing a rogue wave bearing down on your ship must be terrifying 😮

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

I agree!!

[@joanfreestone1707]

I hadn't heard about the QE2 being hit by a rogue wave. It says a lot about her construction when the passengers slept through it!

[@jeffreyhutton8283]

QE2 was built as a Ocean Liner not a cruise ship. The QE2 hull built with double hull and much thicker bulk head plates to deal with the strong North Atlantic storms. There lot of difference from a ocean liner than today’s Cruise ships. Queen Mary 2 is the biggest ship in the world as a Ocean liner & her sister Queen Elizabeth & Victoria all run by Cunard.

[@MyFathersSon-e4w]

I realize that this video is primarily about passenger vessels on the ocean that encountered rogue waves. On November 10th 1975 on Lake Superior in Michigan, it was a rogue wave approaching from the stern during a severe winter storm that finished off and sank the iron ore carrier Edmund Fitzgerald. The ship had already suffered considerable damage due to the storm and was only 16 miles away from a safe harbor area when the wave approached. The ship was being followed by another ore carrier, the Arthur Anderson which also had encountered the wave and survived. But due to the aforementioned damage to the Fitzgerald it was the death blow for her. Twenty-nine men went to a cold watery grave that night!

[@epicarts2105]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6e2hWmei7edaKM

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Casual Navigation has a fascinating video about that tragedy.

[@chriscolton6329]

👍Three Sisters...

[@cynthiathomas404]

❤❤❤ I never forgot this story over 10ths ago

[@christopherrose7321]

Fascinating as always,Chris

[@kaspar_1982]

i was on the QM2 last year new york to hamburg even at 20ft seas i read a book and sipped tea by a lower level port window, it's quite surreal watching a tempest outside while i contemplated a walk around the deck or second breakfast. if i had to be at sea in rough weather the QM2 would be my ship of choice. God save the King!

[@richarda996]

I had witnessed a rogue wave in the Gulf of Mexico in 1985 when hurricane Wand formed. It was 25’ high and coming opposite the wind pattern. Covered the entire back end of a 200’ offshore supply vessel.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Sounds intense!!

[@ramonsanchez6903]

Great Video

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@cruises_only_thanks]

Oh goodness i cant imagine seeing that it would be scary!!

[@gratefultube]

May our next cruise have some swells, some wind, and some precipitation ... but no "Mal de Mer." Thanks, Chris.

[@OceanlinerDesigns]

Good stuff Chris! Can't imagine having to deal with one of these things in real life...

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

I was thinking the same thing Mike! Thanks so much for your help with this one.

[@therealtony2009]

didnt expect to see you here!!

[@robert5140]

Another interesting video! If sailing on the oceans, and a rogue wave appears, I hope I am on the QM2.

[@truthandlife4101]

I do not know how correct , but I have sailed on QM2 and was told how she was built and would be one of the strongest ships, so I think I will only sail on her in dangerous waters, and pray always Jesus can get you threw the storm it has happened on a cruise I was on.

[@henryostman5740]

I was out at sea in the general vicinity of the Michelangelo and my ship, much much smaller suffered significant damage, losing all of the lifeboats and most of our radio antennas, our electricity was cut, and we had some serious hull damage, we limped into port on one engine never to leave again. Ocean liners are tough, built to withstand bad seas, and soldier through them at speed, the rest of us have to slow down and endure the beating but getting solid water over the bridge does get your attention. Cruise ships are another story, basically a powered barge with a pointy front end welded on, don't go looking for storms in one of these.

[@darthgrundle2349]

Thank the Engineers that studied well, too keep your asses alive..!!!!

[@Kaidhicksii]

It's been really cool to see that rogue waves are getting more coverage these days. It's even cooler that now you have jumped into the topic too! Loved your insight as always, and despite having studied rogue waves for a couple of years now - both the science and history - I still ended up learning something new. I never knew if the certificate QE2's passengers received for surviving the wave was given to them in person when the voyage ended, or if it was placed by their cabins in the morning. I'm actually working on a story about the QE2 which tells her story through her eyes. The latest chapter - Chapter 4 - is all about her battle with Hurricane Luis and encounter with the rogue wave. I just finished it, though now I'll have to go back and fix that detail about the passengers receiving their certificates in the morning instead of when they disembarked in New York. Would've been nice if I knew that sooner... 😂

[@FrancOnia-zh1me]

Fascinating Chris.

[@jeremy1350]

Hi Chris. Back in the 80's when Galileo was sailing 2 nighter's between Miami and Nassau , one trip in particular, on the way back to Miami, we hit a storm. The ship was rocking and rolling. At one point, the ship heaved out of the water and was smashed by something big, because what followed were crashes of dishes and the flying of furniture from one side of the ship to the other. I remember it because it heaved me right out of my bed. My brother was sailing with me on that trip. The next morning the ship was a mess, dishes and bottles were smashed and furniture was up ended all over the place.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Wow that must have been an unforgettable experience!!

[@woofna1948]

That Miami to Nassau run can get pretty damn rough at times. You get a certain combination of current, wind and tide and all hell breaks loose.

[@johnplod8984]

QE2 - awesome

[@arnepianocanada]

The film 'Poseidon Adventure' was inspired (so to speak) by the Queen Mary's rogue wave encounter. Experts believed that a tilt of 3 more degrees would have sunk that huge liner.

[@Wongwanchungwongjumbo]

Exactly and that huge Rogue wave caused by a Typhoon storm near Japan caused the Huge British owned Bulk Carrier ship 🚢 on her bow with 50ft Wave and eventually sank into Pacific ocean with All onboard.

[@Wongwanchungwongjumbo]

No Survivors or last minute Distress signal sent out ,but too late.

[@Invenery]

I was a waiter in the Caronia Restaurant on QE2 when it was hit in 1995. It was THRILLING! :-)

[@bosse1998]

I have learnt something new

[@leslierobinson440]

Very informative, thank you.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

You are welcome!

[@baritonebynight]

I can't remember her name, but I bought two crossings on QM2 from a real nice Asian lady who had once served on QE2. She told me about the wave. She said it was the one and only time she was scared....and that she was knocked out of her bed in her cabin. She also gave me the best cabin to feel the ocean motion (6003) and sold me a crossing in December where we sailed through a Force 10! Call me a storm chaser!

[@bnewman43]

I was a crew member aboard the QE2 in the 1970's. My Grandfather was also a Cunarder and made a number of voyages on the Queen Mary in the 1930's.

[@jenniferlevine5406]

Very interesting to know the which historic ships that have experienced this phenomena. Does this ever occur on calm seas or is it always choppy or rough seas? Great video - I enjoyed it so much!

[@greenman6141]

Thank you SO MUCH for putting the information and source of all your images. This makes such a big difference to viewers, and shows the quality of the videos you produce. If I could beg one favour though...if the words could either stay up a bit longer or the typeface be a bit bigger. Excellent channel all around!

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Thank you so much for the kind words. I’ll take your suggestion into account going forward 😊

[@frankjones9024]

Warships are only fitted with basic stabilisers. In 1976 I served in a frigate, HMS Falmouth, when we were hit on the ship,s side by one of these episodic waves. The inclinometer went beyond 45 degrees - I had one foot on the deck, and one on the bulkhead. The Chippy told me later that beyond 50 degrees the ship would probably capsize. The watchkeepers asleep were thrown out of their bunks, but it was all good fun. Frank in Bristol. .

[@TwoAussieAvgeeks]

QE2 was amazing!

[@jamesjoseph9212]

I am a sailor for the past 42 years and captain for the past 28 years. I have not encountered what you are talking about. In very rough weather there is something we call the three sisters meaning every third wave becomes much larger than the other waves at certain points which is very violent. Waves simply don't pop up without any reason. The only area where abnormal waves form as per our text books is at the east coast of South Africa where due to a strong opposite wind blowing over the agulhas current abnormal phenomenal waves form as high as nearly over 100 feet and ships have sunk. So sailors are warned while sailing there. Pardon me I have sailed all the oceans my entire life and have not heard what you are talking about

[@epicarts2105]

They can see the existence of rogue waves with satellite imagery.

[@skurinski]

just cause you havent heard about it doesnt mean it doesnt exist

[@shibarmyburnz1978]

It's almost like advancements in research and data leads to new discoveries of infrequent events.... Sory I forgot you were a historian, marine rese archer, tidal analyst

[@cadicorniche]

Great video!

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@donaldturner2145]

The rogue wave that struck the Queen Mary broadside in December 1942 was about the same height as the one that struck QE2 head on in 1995. The Queen Mary briefly listed 52 degrees and had she listed 3 more degrees, she would have capsized. The Queen Mary was already top heavy and a notorious roller during peacetime and her wartime role made that even worse.

[@loriw5457]

I thought I remember seeing a documentary a few years back.....where scientist FINALLY believed the 'stories' of the existence of rogue waves, because they could see them from satellite images (actually what they saw were the shadows they cast) and I seem to remember that many/most were around the Cape of Good Hope....due to the interaction of the currents with the land mass?

[@paulawalach1770]

Hello What about Rogue waves on lake Superior? That may have occurred on Nov 15, 1975 that contributed to the 729

[@paulawalach1770]

Foot ore carrier the Edmund Fitzgerald. Yes being out in the middle of lake Superior can be just as bad if not worse than being in the middle of a storm on the ocean . That day in 1975 was very bad weather in which a few salty vessals that came onto the lake commented by their captains that they never encountered such conditions even on the ocean. Miss Paula Walach

[@TheTransatlanticExchange]

Not many people realise how the film "The Poseidon Adventure" was based on that near-miss RMS Queen Mary had with a rogue wave in 1942 while a troop carrier in the build up of soldiers for the D-Day invasion. Time-Life Books referred to this incident loosely in "The Liners" as part of its book series on this history of ships. Not much else was discussed about it for decades, until perhaps the incident with QE2 and the formal recognition of rogues waves as a phenomenon. It's only due to this recognition and greater research we now know how RMS Queen Mary rolled 52 degrees and that a roll to 55 degrees would have led to the worst single loss of loss aboard a ship in recorded history. This would have significantly surpassed that of the Wilhelm Gustloff in 1945 and potentially been a major PR coup to Nazi Germany, who could have claimed torpedoing her. This incident was graphically, yet rather painfully illustrated by @OceanlinerDesigns, which you included. Thank you for putting yet another fascinating vignette together and for sharing content from Mike Brady. Both of your channels are highly enjoyable, methodically crafted, and this marks a good collaboration.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Thank you! Mike was very generous to allow me to share his animations for this video.

[@SeaTravelr123]

You and Mike are two of my favorite Aussies. Nice work

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Wow, thanks! Very kind of you to say!

[@GardeningLadybug]

Great video!

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@GardeningLadybug]

Thanks.

[@erikbongnilsson246]

I know quite a bit about rouge waves since they fascinate me a lot. Same goes for cruise ship. On what cruise lines can I hear you speak? What topics do you usually speak about? I wouldn't have thought that rouge waves were something the cruise line would want you to cover, or do they? :D I never heard about that certificate given on QE2 after the incident. Can you tell me more about it, or where I can learn more about that? Thanks a lot!

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Hello 👋 the best resource for QE2 is this one here: www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php?topic=2095.0 it has some amazing photos of the incident too.

[@erikbongnilsson246]

@@ChrisFrameOfficial Thank a lot!

[@veroniquehoogendoorn6562]

So lucky having never encountered a rogue wave after 35 yrs of cruising

[@Christopher-g6p7k]

Excellent

[@abacuscalculator7478]

That must have been a pretty harrowing ordeal aboard Queen Mary when it hit the wave.

[@murraykitson1436]

Looking at the image of the Queen Mary listing is heartstopping ! The effect of load shifting ,both human and unsecured objects would have contributed to this listing. Also consider what it must have been like for the 16000 people on board ! Some may been crushed under the weight of others, not dissimilar to a stampede.

[@PJ-mv1qb]

Me , was on the QE2 bridge when it struck , real memory for a professional seafarer

[@tungteo1190]

Thanks

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Thank you so much for your support 🙏

[@Paradise-on-Earth]

subscribed!

[@scorpion19142001]

What would like about how soldiers were serious or killed when Queen Mary got to play with that monster? Whether they sweep overboard on the interior of the ship?

[@peterbradshaw8018]

Springer has some books on the topic the math takes some time to get accustomed to.

[@johndunkle740]

Didn't the QE2 hit some Submerged object crossing the Atlantic causing a 300 gash in her hull But no severe damage besides that. I never heard if it was ever discovered what she hit.

[@jadethornton7975]

Ok ive subscribed

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Welcome aboard.

[@Wongwanchungwongjumbo]

Modern Cruise 🛳 Vessel and Mega Container Vessels should be designed to Battle Rogue waves too, besides Aircraft Carriersm

[@Wongwanchungwongjumbo]

The Mega Container Vessel, ONE Vessel lost nearly 1000 plus Containers onboard into the Pacific Ocean on Voyage between Los Angled tp Taiwan 🇹🇼 port of kaohsiung to these monster Rogue waves.

[@ugenegareth9339]

I answered and said, "If I have found favor in thy sight, O Lord, show this also to thy servant: whether after death, as soon as every one of us yields up his soul, we shall be kept in rest until those times come when thou wilt renew the creation, or whether we shall be tormented at once?" 76 He answered me and said, "I will show you that also, but do not be associated with those who have shown scorn, nor number yourself among those who are tormented. 77 For you have a treasure of works laid up with the Most High; but it will not be shown to you until the last times. 78 Now, concerning death, the teaching is: When the decisive decree has gone forth from the Most High that a man shall die, as the spirit leaves the body to return again to him who gave it, first of all it adores the glory of the Most High. 79 And if it is one of those who have shown scorn and have not kept the way of the Most High, and who have despised his law, and who have hated those who fear the Most High -- 80 such spirits shall not enter into habitations, but shall immediately wander about in torments, ever grieving and sad, in seven ways. 81 The first way, because they have scorned the law of the Most High. 82 The second way, because they cannot now make a good repentance that they may live. 83 The third way, they shall see the reward laid up for those who have trusted the covenants of the Most High. 84 The fourth way, they shall consider the torment laid up for themselves in the last days. 85 The fifth way, they shall see how the habitations of the others are guarded by angels in profound quiet. 86 The sixth way, they shall see how some of them will pass over into torments. 87 The seventh way, which is worse than all the ways that have been mentioned, because they shall utterly waste away in confusion and be consumed with shame, and shall wither with fear at seeing the glory of the Most High before whom they sinned while they were alive, and before whom they are to be judged in the last times. 88 "Now this is the order of those who have kept the ways of the Most High, when they shall be separated from their mortal body. 89 During the time that they lived in it, they laboriously served the Most High, and withstood danger every hour, that they might keep the law of the Lawgiver perfectly. 90 Therefore this is the teaching concerning them: 91 First of all, they shall see with great joy the glory of him who receives them, for they shall have rest in seven orders. 92 The first order, because they have striven with great effort to overcome the evil thought which was formed with them, that it might not lead them astray from life into death. 93 The second order, because they see the perplexity in which the souls of the unrighteous wander, and the punishment that awaits them. 94 The third order, they see the witness which he who formed them bears concerning them, that while they were alive they kept the law which was given them in trust. 95 The fourth order, they understand the rest which they now enjoy, being gathered into their chambers and guarded by angels in profound quiet, and the glory which awaits them in the last days. 96 The fifth order, they rejoice that they have now escaped what is corruptible, and shall inherit what is to come; and besides they see the straits and toil from which they have been delivered, and the spacious liberty which they are to receive and enjoy in immortality. 97 The sixth order, when it is shown to them how their face is to shine like the sun, and how they are to be made like the light of the stars, being incorruptible from then on. 98 The seventh order, which is greater than all that have been mentioned, because they shall rejoice with boldness, and shall be confident without confusion, and shall be glad without fear, for they hasten to behold the face of him whom they served in life and from whom they are to receive their reward when glorified. 99 This is the order of the souls of the righteous, as henceforth is announced; and the aforesaid are the ways of torment which those who would not give heed shall suffer hereafter." 100 I answered and said, "Will time therefore be given to the souls, after they have been separated from the bodies, to see what you have described to me?" 101 He said to me, "They shall have freedom for seven days, so that during these seven days they may see the things of which you have been told, and afterwards they shall be gathered in their habitations." 102 I answered and said, "If I have found favor in thy sight, show further to me, thy servant, whether on the day of judgment the righteous will be able to intercede for the unrighteous or to entreat the Most High for them, 103 fathers for sons or sons for parents, brothers for brothers, relatives for their kinsmen, or friends for those who are most dear." 104 He answered me and said, "Since you have found favor in my sight, I will show you this also. The day of judgment is decisive and displays to all the seal of truth. Just as now a father does not send his son, or a son his father, or a master his servant, or a friend his dearest friend, to be ill or sleep or eat or be healed in his stead, 105 so no one shall ever pray for another on that day, neither shall any one lay a burden on another; for then every one shall bear his own righteousness and unrighteousness." 2 Esdras 7:75 ///////////////////////////////////////

[@lewis7315]

Several sets of three 80 ft high waves third week January 1967, 180 ft long Coast Guard cutter Evergreen

[@scorpion19142001]

Also, The Great Lakes are known for some most the nastiest Storms. Lake Superior nearly doesn't give up her "Dead"!

[@lvthud]

Let me be clear, I love Viking Ocean, but, there is no way I will get on one of the Viking Polar class ships. From my view point, having large glass windows that low down in the hull and sailing her into the polar regions is just a bad idea, as has already been shown. Yes they have a heavily scrupled bow to push water up and away from the super structure, great until you have a wave that is either higher than the bow or hits side on. If you look at over head pictures of the bow of the Octantis and compare it to the bow of the QE2, QM2 you will see that the Octantis is a serious accident waiting to happen.

[@gopalkumarsharma3940]

Not sure elx

[@sandracowett6864]

I was on the QE 2 IN 1999 AND the Captain told us about that 90' wave, it's wasn't 95

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

The rogue wave I’m referring to took place 11 September 1995 and was estimated at 90-95ft high. Here’s the NOAA report if you’re interested - www.nhc.noaa.gov/data/tcr/AL131995_Luis.pdf - the ship was also hit by a smaller 30ft wave in 1993.

[@motaz1975]

bow on or broadside? big difference on what would happen.

[@darthgrundle2349]

No matter how big the ship, the oceans always bigger. That said, it's up too an experienced crew too make sure the ship has sufficient ballest and is taking waves or rollers head on....otherwise your dead.

[@RobustArid379]

The engineers have solutions to built better ship. Navy ships can pass through without any issues

[@truthandlife4101]

Always interesting videos, I pray always when on cruises and in these situations if believe have faith Jesus can get you threw the storm I testify to that.

[@dannydillon997]

I subscribed at the beginning of the video, thank you for more content of our maritime.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Welcome aboard!

[@RCKodak]

I love how Qantas is advertising on this video. Almost like avoid rogue waves. Go by air!

[@murraykitson1436]

I don't know how many episodes of Air Crash Investigations there are as well as multiple stories of in each one , but not many of these incidents appear to have survivors ! Food for thought!

[@peterbradshaw8018]

A BOAC aircraft got shredded to bit near Tokyo back in the seventies with clear air turbulence not anything to sniff at.

[@RCKodak]

Air Crash Investigation has nothing on Mentour Pilot. Explained in a non hysterical and very calm way on his channel.

[@GardeningLadybug]

Woooow

[@leehall2467]

Did this really happen??

[@RCKodak]

Yes

[@leehall2467]

@@RCKodak holy ####

[@FeHu939]

Just enough as to not sink it.

[@whoever6458]

Seasickness is good enough to keep me from going to sea.

[@GardeningLadybug]

A good pint of Guinness can help 😂 does for me anyways

[@whoever6458]

@@GardeningLadybug Well it couldn't hurt. lol I love Guinness!

[@missasinenomine]

Did Elvis have a rogue wave?

[@woofna1948]

Nice video, but you didn't answer the question you posed in the title.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

I think the answer is “lots” 😉 especially in the case of Queen Mary and QE2!

[@GardeningLadybug]

😂😂😂

[@martapereiratina8111]

O ímpio e como mar agitado que não pode se conter

[@LadyYautjaSpacePirate]

Oh, fun! Something to look forward to when fleeing to the ocean! 😨 I suppose it's better than being persecuted by society for being neurodivergent. 🙄 Guess I better learn to sail now!

[@mattwoody1089]

I’m an oil worker off Newfoundland there was never waves much bigger then 30 feet maybe some in the 45 ft range but that’s it there are 90 or 100 ft waves I know because I’ve been going out there for 30 plus yrs

[@RCKodak]

90 foot for QE2.

[@gordon-n6s]

It would have been better if you had offered some explanations by experts on the likely cause.

[@JohnJohansen2]

I would have expected at least some videos of those waves.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

The whole video is about waves 🌊 😂

[@JohnJohansen2]

@@ChrisFrameOfficial Yes!?

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Ahh I misunderstood you. I take it you wanted video footage of the rogue waves in question. I think at the time a 90ft wave was hitting QE2, for example, those who could see it were more concerned with saving their ship than videotaping it. Also many of these stories are from decades ago where it wasn’t so easy to get video footage - no iPhones on the Queen Mary during WWII for example. I haven’t seen any royalty free video of Viking’s run in with the wave - there is a great video of QE2 being hit by a “standard” Atlantic wave here though: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/joSQfI2OnrtrerM

[@RCKodak]

That video of QE2 is amazing.

[@corvidflight19]

That sounds fun, what a great way to die!

[@OKuusava]

How much was answered to the question: How much water can a ship survive?

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

90ft high waves is a lot of water 😱

[@gaoasaurusg2159]

"No specific classification'...There was, it was just that 'scientists' refused to believe the sailors what spoke of Rogue Waves. It wasn't until the QE2 was hit by one that the scientific community finally accepted what sailors had been reporting for years...when lucky enough to survive them...As a Trusty Shellback merchy I find this part of the video from a 'maritime historian' infuriating.

[@cruises_only_thanks]

That's his whole point though isn't it? That there was no classification...despite them existing... he literally said that and gave examples of ships before 1995 that had been hit. And it wasn't QE2 that changed the scientific community's opinion it was the "New Years Wave" in 1995 which he actually showed on the video...

[@RCKodak]

According to the transcript the quote you are summarising is: “Rogue wave is a term used to define a wave that is at least 2 times higher than the waves around it. So it’s not just a bit wave, it has to be considerably bigger than the waves around it to be considered rogue. There have been multiple instances of ships being hit by rogue waves over the decades. But did you know that the definition and recording of rogue waves only began in a coordinated official capacity in 1995? Prior to this there was no specific classification for these massive waves.” So in his opening sentences Chris established: 1) Rogue wave defined and their scale explained as compared to other large waves, 2) Rogue waves have been encountered many times over the decades, 3) Until 1995 there was no coordinated official classification for waves of this size and scope. The video then goes on to showcase examples of pre-1995 rogue waves such as QM, Lusitania etc. emphasising the point that these rogue waves have long been part of the maritime story. So what exactly are you infuriated about? That they do have a classification now or that they didn’t before or that Chris is a maritime historian and not a ‘shellback merchy’ or what? Very confusing comment.

[@thespartan8476]

Titanic are mostly British and British lives are more important. That's why the Titanic got a Movie. It's very important English.🤔🤨😐 Americans are just Colonial subjects. American penal Colonies. Many, Many more White people in America are related to convicts than in Australia. what would you expect coming from a church that was built on the family values of Henry VIII [ Protestant ]

[@glenkohler1291]

No video: all talk.

[@haliburton5493]

HO HUM..... BORING

[@RCKodak]

You are on your own there buddy.