How Natalia Kills Career Was DESTROYED

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Natalia Kills and the story of how she or the figures that be destroyed her career. Was it all staged tv gone wrong?
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[@enzorc0]

Even if it was scripted, why would she agree to do something like this? just seems like a dumb decision to me

[@sweetlyte]

that's what I'm saying. she deserves it idc

[@bebebongBaebae]

Ever heard of contract?

[@nootnewt9323]

I don’t think she expected it to blow up in her face like that. I mean who thinks that one stupid comment like “you look like my husband” would get you fired and destroy you budding career? I feel bad for her. She would’ve had a flourishing music career had it not been for that.

[@enzorc0]

@@OYJluv so she didn´t read the contract before signing it? lol

[@enzorc0]

@@nootnewt9323 but she didn´t just say that tho, she humiliated him in front of an audience

[@kozi6069]

You lost the opportunity to name this video "How Natalia Kills Career Was KILLED".

[@honestboy]

oh trust me i thought about it. but youtube’s policies are strict…

[@Idontexisthihi001]

Or like, Natalia Kills her own career

[@connor_1x1x1x1]

​@@Idontexisthihi001 no because that would sound like the whole blame is on her

[@Idontexisthihi001]

@@connor_1x1x1x1 Yeah. But her name has so much potential

[@tyrantgregcagkaiju71]

I’ve got one better: “How Natalia Kills KILLED Her Career”. 😎🍻🎊

[@2Btoobee]

The way her husband sneer/smirk while she destroys Joe was surely NOT scripted, so I'm pretty sure those two were always having their 'talks' and insults the contestants thinking themselves as someone high and mighty. These are the kind of insecure people who would see a talented person and would want to ruin their confidence immediately so that they won't pursue the career.

[@poppinc8145]

Honestly the fact that the husband was smirking only makes it seem like it was scripted. Why else would he smirk like that? There was no shock or distress or anything unusual in his expression. It's like they knew exactly what they were doing because they planned it beforehand.

[@bigbearkat2010]

Every time I see this guy on screen he seems to have what I will now call "Draco Malfoy face" where he sneers like he's better than everyone else

[@jamangel]

Wow

[@casswashwash1070]

Ok but I hope ur nit still mad. Its was forever ago and it was just rude judging. Not any slurs or horrible harassment etc. they guy moved on everyone else should too.

[@tiffanykim2773]

No it actually doesn't show shit 😂

[@jessicawilliams3849]

Even after you explained who her husband is, I still don’t know who he is lmao. I think that’s one reason why the public took it so bad. She had such a big reaction over her D list husband

[@bigbearkat2010]

Right? They thought way too highly of themselves there. This dude seems like the music equivalent of Draco Malfoy. Always sneering face, big ego and believes he's way more important than he actually is.

[@CyberJawa1986]

…if I remember correctly, some described him as the wish version of Michael buble

[@RonOnTheWay]

I think more people know me than her husband and I have a better rep. If you're thinking "who is this fucker?" Exactly.

[@fionamb83]

He wore what so many other crooners like Buble wear. A suit and neat hair. Like the most classic look their is lol. Imagine thinking your husband invented that look

[@DudleyDawg]

The fact that she was able to make a comeback after changing her name kinda shows how relatively unknown she really was as an artist.

[@nacereddinechallal4405]

Right? 😂

[@OPGardevoir]

For fucking real Spotify recommended me music from her cruel youth persona and some time later it recommended her music from her natalia kills persona and I dead ass thought they were different people until just now

[@cristalblackstar8177]

Both are super unknow.

[@MsEvie15]

Yes, I didn’t know who she was until I saw this video.

[@kishascape]

That's why she was copying Cleopatra

[@Space-Holiday]

Man, this unlocked a memory - this was everywhere on Facebook at the time and people hated Natalia and her husband. At least where I’m from in the UK, I don’t think Natalia Kills was known at all, and so most people seeing this were learning about her for the first time, so that didn’t do wonders for her career! I’m not surprised that it could’ve been scripted, considering the show’s association with Simon Cowell.

[@nootnewt9323]

Natalia Kills was pretty popular on internet spaces along with Iggy Azalea (ironically another person who had a short lived career due to their own antics). I liked her music, didn’t care for her because of the X Factor thing and then felt absolutely terrible for her because her career was destroyed over a planned moment. She could’ve had a decent music career had it not been for that imo. I think now she goes by Teddy Sinclair maybe to distance herself from “Natalia Kills.” But let’s be real everyone will always remember her telling a contestant that he looked like her husband while wearing a Willy wonka Bob cut. Making a deal with Simon Cowell is like making a deal with the devil, folks. Don’t do it!

[@preposteroussvideos]

@@nootnewt9323 she deserved it 100% dont blame simon and be biased she knew exactly what she was getting into and that is IF the fact that it was scripted was even real

[@nootnewt9323]

@@preposteroussvideos I disagree. She didn’t deserve any of that because of some stupid scripted comment. I think people overreacted and acted as if she was talking about them. As I mentioned before I don’t think anyone expected what she said to backfire the way it did, and when it did, SyCo does what it always does and screwed her over to save face. It’s sad imo, but you’re entitled to be fake outraged over a nearly decade old comment.

[@Greybell]

@@nootnewt9323 Even if it is, she knows the comment sounds cruel. She could've acted the script differently so it doesn't come off as arrogant. But i guess that's what the producers want and she doesn't have a say.

[@ccc-qp7el]

@@Greybell Different times and mindset about the way things worked back then. I think it's unfair to not forgive her when our todays most followed people did so much worse. Also, all of us did something dumb for money when young. Like, I really don't see how it's fair to judge her so harsh. It's not like she ruined the dude's life. Quite the opposite actually.

[@banner100]

Given her abrasive personality during her debut era and her other controversies during that time, I find it more likely that she went on that cruel tirade of her own volition, not because she was told to.

[@ajh.7219]

Agreed, her personality and ego was already terrible during that time

[@gothicMCRgirl]

Even if she was told by the producers to be sassy as part of the show, I highly doubt they told her to go that far and beyond with it. Those were her words that came out of her own mouth, and she’s the one that took it to a level beyond absurdity. Like seriously, it was so childish even little kids would make fun of her for it.

[@anut8733]

I mean, if it was scripted, why was she and her husband got fired after it went horribly backfired against them? I guess she and her husband truly goes off script and just berate the contestant over some simple stuff.

[@kishascape]

She was lying and saying that as a cop out.

[@khalierica6415]

Companies do that all the time. They save horrible stuff for ratings and when it backfires more than they thought it would, they fire the actors to save face. Look at Erica Mena from Love and Hip Hop. She called another star a monkey and L&HH sat on that footage till they aired it and subsequently announced that Erica wouldn't be returning to the show when she received horrible backlash. I just wish people had the same energy for people spearheading companies that murder millions of people over decades than these lil artists that are pawns of the ent. industry.@@anut8733

[@sphakamisozondi]

She accused a contestant for Copying a NOBODY?!

[@falliblepossiblygullible2920]

Bro. As if her husband is that far removed from a random mannequin😂😂😂😂. Bekabhedza strong lesa skhatsi losesi

[@MsEvie15]

Yeah, the show said that it was a basic haircut and suit. She actually believes that her husband is original because he wears suits in his videos, so no one else can, and yet she copies Cleopatra, hypocritical much! Natalia and her Willy Moon aka, her husband, did not create the Gentleman’s suit, like they seem to believe. That style has been around for generations. The only thing the two men had in common was their hair color, and Natalia and her Willy didn’t create that either.

[@RandomManIncorperated]

Yes How Dare Another Man Wear The Most Basic Generic Suit You've Have Ever Seen. Grow Up Natalie

[@nofancypants]

Who in turn copied Adriano Celentano in his music video.

[@minae.d4540]

Calling it a "publicity stunt" did not help her case. Even if it was, what was the point of it? What kind of attention does she expect to receive after saying that?

[@Tiffany-ov2jf]

Exactly

[@saber_marionette]

it was a publicity stunt for the x factor tv show. they hired her to be problematic but then it backfired because she wasn't a white man like simon cow

[@ricksmith9177]

She’s got the audacity to call anyone unoriginality! She’s the wish version of Lady Gaga

[@LunalovaniaGaming]

She's no version of gaga at all. Gaga is a wonderful, kindhearted and loving human being. Music aside, Natalia could never be compared to her. 💜💋🤝

[@LunalovaniaGaming]

@Little Mix - LOML lol I'm not that big of a "Caca" fan sis. 😆 caca music, but a great person all around. 🤣

[@MsEvie15]

When she was screaming at Joe for copying her husband, the other judge said,”Aren’t you copying Cleopatra?”. Yes, she is. And yet she has the nerve to be all hypocritical. She says, “Well I am going to state the obvious”. No, it’s not obvious that Joe is copying her husband, but it’s obvious that she is copying Cleopatra. More people know who Cleopatra is than they know who her dick husband is. I never heard of a Willy Moon and just because he wears different color of suits doesn’t mean that he invented the gentleman’s suit. And she accused Joe of copying her husband’s hair when it was a completely different style. What her husband owns that same hair color too. She’s like, “I’m embarrassed to be here”. Yes, I completely agree that she should be embarrassed to be there because her and her husband are an embarrassment.

[@ricksmith9177]

@@MsEvie15 they’re nobodies!!!! All I know of her is she co-wrote kiss it better by Rihanna but other than that she’s a nobody

[@MsEvie15]

Yes, Lady Gaga is so sweet and is very talented. She wouldn’t act like a jack ass like Natalia or what ever her new name is. I would bet that if it were Lady Gaga as a judge, she would have been paying attention to Joe’s performance not making angry faces because he was wearing a suit.

[@true282]

She signed an NDA but she literally said it was scripted? She told everyone pretty much everything then said she couldn’t say anything?

[@true282]

@it's Kawaiii ah right okay, thank you.

[@MegCazalet]

@dear.kawaii If she said they were all high-fiving and hugging after, it seems like she revealed a little more than just hinting at it being not real. Simply referring to an NDA tying to her up was revealing in itself. Some DNAs don’t allow you to refer to there even being a DNA, because it basically gives you the freedom to insinuate everything except specific details. I think there may have been a scripted joke that was a bit at the expense of her husband, and they were insulted by it and took it to ridiculous extremes. Then they hid behind a normal existing reality tv NDA where stars aren’t allowed to refer to exact scripting.

[@MegCazalet]

@dear.kawaii Never said she could be sued.

[@darth_kal-el]

@dear.kawaiinah. Her saying anything would be a violation of the nda. She’s a liar.

[@darth_kal-el]

@dear.kawaiiwrong. She could be.

[@tykamen5588]

Even if it was scripted she had a mind of her own and could’ve just said no, but she instead went along with it and said the things that she said.

[@noralavender3798]

EXACTLY!! People r like it was scripted likke okk? And u find it fine that she said yes and went along with it as he was also abt the cry she went on...shows she has no heart

[@laurenmungaray3912]

She acted like a teenage mean girl, poor guy. Her husband's style is very basic if any man can copy him lol.

[@crab2195]

give it up. the entire thing was staged. was it a stupid scenario to agree to? sure. but it’s been years since the whole incident and people are still bullying and harassing her. she almost lost her dog in a fire and had her entire apartment destroyed just for all the comments to be flooded with people telling her she deserved it because of “karma”. stop the narrative. the internalized misogyny is coming through.

[@connor_1x1x1x1]

​​@@crab2195 Her being a female has nothing to do with any of this lol, stop using the word "misogyny" to prove a point (a point to which I agree) but for no real logical reason.

[@leonprohaska2505]

​@@crab2195 what does this have to do with anything?

[@crab2195]

@@connor_1x1x1x1 lmao it does. misogyny has everything to do with it. the fact that people still support chris brown and go to his concerts after all the shit he’s done and yet this girl makes a few tone-deaf comments and people are still ripping her apart almost a decade later says everything. you can choose to live in ignorance tho!

[@crab2195]

@@leonprohaska2505 not sure what you’re asking me. read.

[@kamilaford5752]

I don't know if any artist has ever ruined their career as permanently as she did. I cannot imagine the regret she must feel. If it really was scripted, I don't know how she could ever get over the resentment she must feel towards whoever wrote that script lol.

[@saturnas]

Didn’t she rebrand and change from pop to electro or something? I think she wasn't that well known at all, even under the Natalia Kills name. I can only remember one music video from her that stuck with me bc it seemed heavily inspired on Lady Gaga's Paparazzi, and nothing more. There was a time where people mocked Rita Ora for not being relevant anymore, but at least in my country, I listened to more Rita Ora songs than Natalia Kills lol

[@absolutelychampagne]

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[@saturnas]

@@ssks5 this video made me do a little research and even after this reality show incident, she’s way more successful as a composer. But yea, she did rebrand and still sings. The old song I remembered is "kill my boyfriend", and the music video isn't only papparazzi inspired, but reminds me of some other lady gaga music videos as well.

[@elizabethchint2391]

Lol Ashlee Simpson.

[@darth_kal-el]

She’s only saying it was scripted to try for damage control. It wasn’t scripted.

[@bunny_god]

i don’t buy into the narrative of her being innocent and it being scripted. she actually seemed like an awful person while saying those things. does she deserve all the hate? probably not. should people forgive her? i don’t care. i just don’t really care for her

[@arya_inmydefense]

She was also an actress btw. Also, they both have a selfie after the show on the backstage of that day.

[@sixteeeeeen]

Natalia _killed_ her career 😃

[@sparksparkle]

🥁 🥁

[@RSully94]

While I believe they asked her to be the Simon Cowell of the show, I think she went too far with her comments and that's why people were so outraged, me included. But it's been years, everyone deserves the chance to learn from their mistakes. Also, I had a scare with a fire recently. It is terrifying and to leave disgusting comments saying she should have died is not ok. I'd never wish that experience on anyone.

[@laurenmungaray3912]

Why couldn't she and her husband just genuinely apologized for publicly humiliating someone even if it was staged? Edit: stop nagging me, d*mn. Thanks for telling me that they tweeted an apology, now move along...shoo!

[@lemondrop7305]

Exactly. Instead she’s behaving like a child and deflecting.

[@laurenmungaray3912]

@@OYJluv when?

[@NERDY_Rick]

​@@laurenmungaray3912 literally the moment this all went down, she tweeted "I hope you can forgive me and I wish you all the best!" to Joe. I mean it's really not that hard to look up :/

[@nootnewt9323]

@@NERDY_Rick everyone wants to conveniently forget that they both apologized multiple times. And it wasn’t even real on top of that. I don’t know why people want to dig their heels into the belief that Natalia and Willy are villains.

[@payt00n]

​@@nootnewt9323 still, why agree to do somethijg like this in the first place?

[@ninaserafina823]

I'm gonna be honest and say I had no clue who she was until I saw the thumbnail and a wave of memes came back to me

[@drenx7454]

Me too. I was like Natalia who? I don't know her

[@GoblinsAreAGirlsBestFriend]

I don't really think it matters if it was staged/scripted? Their words were vile and hateful and people have refused more benign instructions than this. I've been instructed to be hard on my staff and refused because I did not believe in the impact it would have. It still says a lot about their integrity that they said these things so convincingly. It doesn't justify people still being vile to her, but it certainly justifies people not liking or forgiving what she did to this day.

[@casswashwash1070]

Not at all. 😂 it was rude judging. Not that big a deal. If the guy moved on everyone else needs to. Ppl like being mad about everything

[@zaiah9252]

I agree. Now if the singer was in on it, ok that's different. But I will agree if the singer can forgive her, why can't people. And for years later and people still hold a grudge. They were justified to be angry at the time but it was years ago. Gotta forgive and move on.

[@manuelsaldivar01]

This situation kinda reminds me of what happened to Jeffrey Bowyer-Chapman on Drag Race Canada. He was supposed to play the mean judge on the show and everything backfired on him. He got so much hate he had to delete his Twitter account. The worst thing was everything was scripted and he was just doing his work. I think they should know when to say “NO, I’m not doing that!” They might get fired you, but still have a career!

[@LightestKing]

omfg you're so right, I get the idea of wanting a mean judge but there's a certain ceiling that you can't hit that both Jeffrey and ESPECIALLY Natalia hit. The completely unhelpful "use it better maybe" and "I see 0 glamor" comments are such asshole comments to make towards artists, especially when you're just looking past everything they've done well already. Even if the rant from Natalia was scripted it was so unbelievably cruel and sadistic to tell someone trying to make their dream come true that they "disgust" you. It's hard for me not to blame the judges though because you have all the freedom to say no to the things production tells you to say, or modify them to come off nicer (what is production gonna do? make you stop right there and re-critique the person while being harsher?).

[@dallNoki]

Didn’t help that the: “This isn’t glamorous AT ALL! Everyone gets the same amount of time, use it better maybe.” Was used against one of the biggest fan favorites in drag race history.

[@Imaslutforpuns]

@@dallNoki i choked on my own spit when I first watched this episode 💀 I got online as soon as he said this to see all of the commotion

[@nicarmendariz9079]

@@dallNoki the whole judging panel needed to be checked after season 1 of canada 😭 glad they some what have it together now.

[@RandomManIncorperated]

& People Wonder Why Simon Cowell Has Been The Only Good Rude Judge. He Doesn't Take It Too Far

[@sadakopilled]

it's crazy to me that even after being such an ass to a contestant over wearing a suit, the first thing she did is victimize herself 💀

[@styleniko4339]

It was not scripted at all, it came from her heart and we all felt it and disgusted by her comment. It’s so funny how her own comment ruined her career and now she is blaming it was scripted and for publicity stunt. People like her never own up to their own mistakes, but always try to find someone else to blame.

[@yes-ve5hp]

respect to you for keeping this video informative and positive rather than throwing in another desperate and inaccurate recap on this situation we already know front to back. this is a modern example of TRAGIC things caused by fame that have happened to so many suffering celebrities. she wrote 'mr watson' about her substance abuse to cope with this moment in her life. horrifying stuff.....

[@sammywilliam8156]

Even though her and her husband's attitude have time and time again been shown to not be nice nobody deserves to be say hey I lost everything in a fire only to be told it should have been you

[@possum1093]

Willy moon is basically a joke in new zealand he gets bood at his own concerts

[@patwellsemil]

LMAO!

[@mercuryyoung9206]

As a paralegal, I just feel as though she can easily get out of her contract or render portions of it void in court if the resulting experience caused her enough harm, which one could argue it has. That’s what leads me to believe it’s not *as* scripted as she insinuating it is. With that said, she definitely shouldn’t be receiving this much backlash from this to this day.

[@jacksampsonforever]

Some the most unsuccessful artists have the most interesting stories. This channel has taught me this.

[@hassenvenero5126]

I bet most people still hate her because they don’t know it was planned because of publicity. I didn’t know until know.

[@drenx7454]

Still, she's not an angel in this. We can be assholes because it says in my contract!

[@rewbi2196]

​@@drenx7454Well, she never said that she was. Plus, we don't know her personally.

[@angelinaoliver5587]

If it was a publicity stunt then why were they fired from the show and why didn’t the producers publicly state that it was a publicity stunt?

[@rewbi2196]

​​@@angelinaoliver5587Probably because they wanted to wash their hands clean off the problem THEY caused, completely not taking accountability and make them out to be the bad guys, especially Natalia.

[@Slayoon]

@@angelinaoliver5587 Did you not watch the full video? They had to protect themselves from also receiving backlash. If the public found out that it was staged then the network would be in huge trouble and people will be like “Hollywood is so cruel that they would plan such a damaging publicity stunt at the expense of an innocent contestant” “X-Factor is the worst show”. So they took the easy route and fired them so the show can quickly recover from this drama. Did you not hear Honest said that there were over 70,000 signed petitioners to hold Natalya and her husband accountable? It’s not unusual for networks or labels to throw the celebs they work with under the bus to save the reputation of there company.

[@yoyochante-yo7306]

Ah such a shame because I really loved her perfectionist album back in the day. I really appreciate your perspective and insight on this topics.

[@eddiethewhale3268]

A while ago I read somewhere that the producers pushed Joe’s stylist to have him dress similarly to Willy (literally just a suit and slicked hair) without Joe knowing, which now makes sense as to why Natalia and Willy accused him of “copying” Willy’s style, since they would’ve been in on it with production, but Joe’s reaction was genuine since he was out of the loop the whole time. I honestly don’t understand how production thought this stunt WOULDN’T go south for Natalia and Willy’s careers. You have 2 of 4 judges rip a guy to shreds over something irrelevant to his singing performance, for the sake of having a Simon Cowell moment when they aren’t even well known like Simon. I feel like if production wanted to go this route they could’ve just had them be like “the performance was great yada yada, but have a style the is true to you, I see my husband up there, when I wanna see you” might get some confusion and boos from the audience, but it will pale in comparison to what actually happened.

[@bigbearkat2010]

Willy's style was basic as hell though and he wasn't nearly famous enough for people to copy him so that either of them thought that was what he was doing was a leap at best and makes them both look really full of themselves

[@eddiethewhale3268]

@@bigbearkat2010 which why I assume they were in on it with the producers and they all just left Joe out to get a genuine reaction. A suit and gel hair isn’t new or innovative, so either way if production was involved or not, the whole situation still makes Natalia and Willy look bad at the end of the day🤷‍♂️

[@yovampirehusband]

An interesting fact: a soft piano ballad 'The Happiest Girl' from Blackpink's 'Born Pink' album which a huge amount of fans loved, was written by her :) I hope she gets a nice share from this song P.S. Btw if someone intends to write smth like 'She doesn't deserve it cos of X factor shit' - she was set up for the big booty scandal, hello hello. TV is a lie, don't believe everything you've seen there, especially with a lot of dramatic editing cuts. X factor show is disgustingly known for these types of set ups. If you're not aware, google about 'Pink wannabe' girl. Her story is terrifying

[@jennied221]

Oh I love that song!

[@coffeebean4356]

Just because she did something for someone else doesn’t mean it should be applauded

[@yourstrulymaree]

I just googled the 'pink wannabe' story and it's totally awful what happened to poor Zoe Alexander. I have always known that I should take what happens on reality TV with a grain of salt since the accusations made against shows like America's Next Top Model.

[@ONLY1JAYJAY]

@JB Well she hasn’t proved otherwise. Stg y’all loving picking and choosing 😂

[@really8704]

She used to be the IT girl for me, I’m honestly disappointed with where her career went ☹️

[@Chowderchef]

What she said was nasty, no doubt, but I always felt like people overreacted to this. A lot of people pointed out simon cowell has been nastier, and other tv show hosts/judges too (that include making contestants cry, which again, is not ok) I dont think this shouldve murdered her career entirely

[@whosthatpanda7935]

Simon Cowell has said 1000x worse.

[@FlurryPie0]

@@whosthatpanda7935 Agreed

[@WelcometomyUtube]

Exactly. The sexism the vast majority of people have shown towards her is mind boggling. When reality tv men are mean they're just being funny and RoLe PlAyInG but when reality tv women are mean they're bitches. Let's level the playing field, I'm sick of the double standard. Scripted or not, these individuals can learn from their mistakes. KZbin is apparently full of perfect people who've never made a shitty decision in life and gotten a second chance.

[@sn98886]

Fuck outta here with your ‘it could always be worse’ mentality.

[@cabbageisaveggie]

I was thinking the same thing

[@katykat978]

I think if she wasn’t so cruel with her words, this would have blown over. It’s the absolute digging of her own grave with how it went on and on. And I truly can’t imagine there’s many celebs out there that could get away with saying something so cruel and mean to someone in that position. Simon Cowell being mean(and I don’t recall him being this cruel to a contestant that made it that far) is one thing, and most people don’t really like him anyway, he just can sell artists really well so they listen.

[@blakepers6916]

I will forever wait for her third album. In the style of NK. The progression from TP to Trouble was superb and I'm always wondering what a third Natalia Kills album would've looked and sounded like.

[@annechrystelleetemengono1858]

I wasn't expecting that intro 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Starkardur]

Natalia Kills wasn't what I would consider a bubbling star. She had hype since 2009 and by 2014 nothing really had happened (She was being called Gaga wannabe). She was criticized constantly and was very confrontational in interviews. in the UK she is still mostly known for her moderate hit song Don't Play Nice from 2005 in which she performed as the rapper Verbalicious. Her constant name change from Natalia Keery-Fisher to Cappuchini to Verbz to verbalicious to Kills and now Teddy Sinclair hasn't exactly been helping her.

[@alemirez]

I loved her album Trouble and some songs from Perfectionist. Such good songs and not a lot of people know them. With all her aesthetics and style.

[@LadyVonHautkopf]

Does people in the internet love being an unforgiving angry mob and it sucks? Yes. Did she agree to pull a publicity stunt where she was playing the role of a massive asshole and it's kinda lame not wanting to take responsability for it? Also YES.

[@mstigresse1]

Oh, c'mon, this was just so ridiculous at the time !! Simon Cowell has said worse things to a LOT of contestants and people loved him for it, Natalia made one stupid comment and just got dragged through the mud...okay, that's reasonable ! Still love your work girl!

[@strawberry_soup3508]

right

[@psychedelicvibes32]

Simon wouldn’t of criticized or said anything mean to Joe Irvine because it was a great performance. Natalia didn’t just make a stupid comment, she made an absurd personal attack against Joe for no reason at all.

[@gildedpeahen876]

Men are allowed to be mean and cruel if they have a British accent. They’re being “tough” and “cheeky”. I think the biggest mistake was acting like her generic ass husband was unique! But honestly, that was FAR from the meanest thing ever said to anyone on a competition show.

[@mochibun3890]

@@gildedpeahen876 That's true to an extent. But Simon Cowell only spoke like this to "bad" or "untalented" singers. Doesn't make it ok but I've never seen him drag a contestant this harshly after a good performance. That's why it was straight up confusing because she didn't criticise his singing or performance, just accused him of being an obsessed copycat of her unknown husband. Too left field to make sense

[@gildedpeahen876]

@@mochibun3890 yeah agreed…and the obvious unearned favor toward her husband…liikkeee sweetie no one knows who tf he is therefore no one is copying him! I think it was the content of what she said that made ppl mad, not just being mean in general.

[@nicolajansevanrensburg8114]

Hope you make a video about Melanie Martinez new album- would love to hear your opinion!!!

[@alejandrozamora3473]

Her defense its like saying that abby from dance moms was nice and everything was scripted 😂😂😂

[@drenx7454]

Exactly!

[@bl1nktwice]

Im from NZ and I remember how fucking absurd and chaotic this was at the time and the fall out was brutal. NZ culture in general is pretty relaxed and very humble so if it was scripted they were set up bad. That being said from what I remember they came across as unlikable most of the show this was just the cherry on top. Kinda a shame tho I was secretly rooting for her.

[@Slap_Pappy]

People have said much worse things like yeah she was rude but I don’t understand how people hate her THAT much still to this day… idk I feel like on the internet people randomly pick and choose who they decide to stay mad at. It’s weird.

[@coreywilson7326]

It's not that simple 😂 when u do or say something that is sooo bad it's gonna be bad

[@Slap_Pappy]

@@coreywilson7326 it’s really not sooooo bad in my opinion. Life moves on the dude is fine…

[@coreywilson7326]

@@Slap_Pappy you are soo dense

[@rewbi2196]

I am still an active listener of Natalia Kills/Teddy Sinclair, she brought a fresh sound full of dark pop. There are people that still support her and defend her these days which I'm happy about. 😊😊 I like that she's still able to follow her passion for music by writing for other singers/groups. I truly believe the money is BEHIND the scenes. 😌😌 That whole stunt was blown WAY out of proportion, I'm still shocked at how disrespectful, sexist and downright racist people are towards her. 😐😐 I've never seen that kind of vitriol towards any other judge from reality TV talent shows, except some general disappointment. How people still treat her to this DAY is weird and quite frankly, fan behavior. 🥴🥴 The world just wasn't ready to have a melanated edgy popstar I guess. 🤷🏾‍♀️🤷🏾‍♀️ I hope she was/is able to find peace out of all this and hopefully she can get out of that awful gag order!! 😬😬

[@arielgg2001]

🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@Pink_pr1ncess]

Is Natalia Indian or Arab? She doesn’t look black to me but she’s not white either

[@rewbi2196]

@@Pink_pr1ncess Hm, I looked up her ethnicity the other day and it seems like she's half Uruguayan from her mother's side and half Jamaican from her dad's side.

[@Tiffany-ov2jf]

She deserves all the hate. She really thought she'd say batshit rude things and be left without consequences. And this comment is making her seem like some victim like..please take off your rosey sunglasses and see the truth.

[@boo5191]

When this happened to Natalia Kills, I listened to her album just to hate her songs but it was actually good. I’m now a fan. She wrote my favorite song from BLACKPINK: “The Happiest Girl” ❤❤❤

[@maiktret]

While i do understand its scripted and even the contestant knew about it. But she didn't have to be THAT detailed in her speech yk like she could've just said "oh you're copying my husband boohoo" and ended it there but instead she just went on. I'm here thinking how did she not wait n think "oh i can get alot of hate for this" Its above me tbh

[@drenx7454]

I agree. People are like it's in her contract y'all

[@bluebones8518]

What I wonder is how people don't realise this was clearly planned in advance with how how insanely detailed and bizarre her statement was. How can you think she came up with all that on the spot, let alone actually believe her husband invented a suit and tie?

[@bspearsfan4869]

The exaggeration imo makes it more obvious of how fake it was. It was for the dramatics, they were hired to put on a show

[@alanajones3275]

​@@bluebones8518So, what does that change?

[@Dervis128]

I was SUCH a huge fan of Natalia Kills. Her first two albums are some of the best pop music I've ever heard, and she was working with some big name producers for her third. She was poised for a huge breakthrough, and then....she opened her mouth and made an ass out of herself. I was so disappointed in her. Still, she has made some amazing music and is an incredible songwriter, and that can't be taken away from her. Her current music is different, but still every bit as exquisite as her music as Natalia Kills.

[@bribrilolzOG]

I loved everything about your ad read, FSEEEEEE! It was nice to hear you chuckle at the end, we don’t usually hear you laugh, lol.

[@SM-ef5rl]

Even if it was scripted then why did she agree? She has killed her common sense I guess. I don’t think it was scripted at all.

[@Liam-xf5tv]

Of course if was scripted, there’s no way this scene could be spontaneous

[@Lowrix100]

IT WAS LITERALLY SCRIPTED. her and Joe legit TOOK a selfie after the episode had finished filming. the fact that people were so keen on destroying her career meanwhile simon cowel does worst sht than this on a daily basis is so crazy.

[@drenx7454]

Simon is an asshole too. Never liked him

[@Ihatemalcolmblacc]

She kinda did a little much even I was offended. It’s not always what you say it’s how you say it

[@Ihatemalcolmblacc]

@@Lowrix100 obviously you’re the one with comprehension skills buddy, everybody knows reality tv is scripted that’s a duh , but just because it’s scripted doesn’t mean people won’t get offended and you won’t receive backlash for saying it whether it’s on teleprompter or not. Talk show host get back lash all the time and they are scripted to. So your point doesn’t really land. Yeah it was staged but people react how they react. I don’t understand how that’s so difficult for you to compute.. and also Simone is the founder of X factor and American idol so that’s why people care about his opinion. Maybe she was sabotaged idk. But being scripted has nothing to do with shit. Which part do you not understand ?

[@cameronowens5563]

@@Lowrix100 obviously people are not gonna like her after saying that. How is that not obvious her own fault tbh

[@misterpanda8820]

Simons criticism mostly based on the actual talent or act, he never judge someone look. Natalia on the other hand, the criticism was unnecessary, it would be great if she focused more on the performance not what the guy look like or what he's wearing, and the most absurd comment was about him copying her husband basic appearance 💀. None of those were related to the guys performance 💀

[@Fettsomf]

Natalia Kills: _"I'm disgusted how much you have copied my husband"_ Her husband: _"It just seems a little bit cheap and absurd. It's just a bit creepy."_ Natalia Kills: _"From the hair to the suit... you have no identity!"_ Her husband: _"I feel like you're going to stitch someone's skin to your face and then Kills everybody in the audience"_ Didn't they hear how ironic and absurd the conversation become? It's like listening to two people bullying each other.

[@LadyVonHautkopf]

Also, my favourite part of this circus was checking out one of her husband's videoclips and finding out it was a shot-for-shot cooy of a 70's italian video by Adriano Celentano 😂😂

[@fattiesunite2288]

Putting aside everything she had really good music😭😭 trouble, mirrors, controversy and wonderland still has me on a CHOKE HOLD

[@irenev1193]

the way producers requested her to be mean and then threw her under the bus i hzve no words. she deservers to come back!

[@Tiffany-ov2jf]

No she doesnt ☠️ cause why would she agree to this? Its her choice to sign the contract and being a simon cow wannabe so yes she suffered consequences of what she said and rightly so.

[@rosesims3868]

This still makes me so sad, Perfectionist was such a good album and I was so sad to see her career tank after this

[@ivythegreat4943]

I honestly believe that Nuttallia was set up. Do I feel like she took a little too far? Yes and I can definitely see people behind the scenes orchestrating things because logically speaking, Mark, or whoever is the show runner name is. didn’t see the issue with airing the episode, but seen an issue after the fact anyone with the right mind would of seen that the contestant was treated badly but you guys wanted the drama and the views so you guys air it and then throw the judges under the bus like you cause didn’t know this before you guys air it

[@sparksparkle]

NOT NUTTALIA- 😂😂😂😂

[@bridget7617]

I watched this happen on live tv. I remember switching over to watch 'the xtra factor' which was a small show after the main x factor that recapped everything that happened and everyone was like 😳😳😳 no one knew what was going on. Next day they were fired

[@emo1ife]

I love wonderland by her (the only song I literally know my bad 💀) anyways back when edits used to be called AMVs on KZbin that’s how I found her out (anime edit) forgot about her as I got older and a month ago wonderland started playing on my Spotify as a suggestion and I got huge whiplash. I was wondering what happened to her yesterday when I listened to wonderland again. So thanks for this video :)

[@connor_1x1x1x1]

You should listen to "Mirrors" it's 🔥🔥🔥🔥.

[@imafrog4]

Unlike in America, our reality TV shows in NZ and Aus are minimally scripted. Tom Arnold found that out the hard way. Plus, Stan Walker basically confirmed they were unpleasant to work with. Still, that's no excuse to harass them. One incidence of minor bad behaviour does not justify bullying.

[@grgn7786]

Katy Perry is making nasty comments about contestants on American Idol as well. I was shocked, when she shamed a girl for having 3 children by the age of 25.

[@Virginia_Silva]

It's really unfortunate that there is still people hating on her despite the fact she apologized long ago, I hope this video reach to some of this people and stop dogpiling on her

[@collinqs2541]

You reap what you sow. Sometimes that means people will hate you until the day you die.

[@apriljohnson9731]

YESSSS!!!! I BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

[@dontaskdontpastel]

What career?

[@Hani300]

I‘m now and then still listening to some of her songs. They still remain bops

[@ariannepady3962]

can we talk about the intro ad lol?

[@zendayafan-j3t]

I really enjoy your analyses on music

[@quietking24]

I did a TikTok about this, I don’t like how Simon Cowell, Gordon Ramsey, Kevin from Shark Tank, etc. Have had crude, rude, disgusting, distasteful, and Kevin even racist comments on Live/Pre-tapped TV but their careers are still booming.

[@stevennoel7395]

But they were professionals in their career... they were basically no ones, who commented about someone's look, which is not really original

[@quietking24]

@@stevennoel7395 There’s been other “professionals” like Kanye West, Piers Morgan, etc. making comments about white/very lightskin mixed people and they’ve been blacklisted.

[@zerrinaa]

trouble and perfectionist are some of the best pop albums and i still listen to them all the time. she deserved better

[@DanielOkungbowa]

Now Honest, that joke at the start💀💀💀

[@DamienHurts]

Her statement PERFECTLY summed it up: "The whole world forgot "Reality TV" was not real"! I'm a massive Natalia Kills fan from the beginning and it sickens me how people STILL bully her. Other celebs have said racist things, been violent, and STILL have careers! Simon Cowell has said AWFUL disgusting things to contestants, especially in the early days of X-Factor UK. And nothing. Her album Trouble will ALWAYS be a classic album in my books!

[@itssarahonly4181]

Back when Jeffree Star was a singer, he was openly racist (still is, just not quite as open), and a proud friend of Dahvie Vanity’s. Jeffree also made fun of Damien, another disgusting behavior of his that his fans casually look past. He still wouldn’t denounce him years later. Now, he’s only gotten worse. While he doesn’t have the beauty community in a chokehold like he used to, he’s still got a large following. Obviously, he’s very undeserving of this. As you said, the two of them just don’t compare, and Jeffree is just one example of many. I wish Natalia well.

[@glamglam8347]

if her and her husband were willing to bully someone else on national tv then i certainly dont feel bad for her.

[@drenx7454]

She's not an angel.

[@loserbutch0]

​@@glamglam8347 I hope you and everyone else mad about this one incident keep this energy for every single person who does the same shit on tv.

[@alexischavez3238]

She read the terms and conditions of the contract and still signed on, she deserves it

[@Lilongwearea15]

@honest next time you should talk about Rihanna's good girl gone era and how it shaped Rihanna's music career.

[@13realmusic]

I can’t wait for you to cover Kesha’s comeback singles!

[@lolyfe7562]

The fact that people are questioning if this show is staged is fukin hilarious. They’re not “scripted” in the sense that what they have to say is written in exact words but you are given a personality type to play with (mean judge/shy contestant/cocky heel character/ect.) The producers pick mini storylines “this contestant is going to be laughed at then wow the judges” or things like that then youre nudged/coached to go a bit overboard with it. Gag orders (and image release forms!) are signed by almost EVERYONE in competition reality shows to prevent spoilers and allow them to edit you however they want.

[@certainly25]

I have a few of her songs under Cruel Youth and I'm kinda mind blown that it's her. That 2016 EP EATSSSS

[@bribrilolzOG]

Oh, I’ve never even heard of or listened to Natalia Kills, but what’s funny is I was really into Cruel Youth for a bit as a teen.

[@holigatis7588]

The X-Factor situation made me so mad, Natalia is so talent. Trouble is one of my favorite albums ever. I'm glad she's still written songs for Madonna and Blackpink.

[@absolutelychampagne]

The song she wrote for Madonna was awful 😭

[@holigatis7588]

@@absolutelychampagne I love it!!!!

[@OnyxeBlade]

The X-Factor situation was very unfortunate and Natalia and her husband got their lashings for it. However folks who still wish ill on them so many years later are deranged

[@andisaur5]

Bruh fr?

[@maaaaitei]

She goes by Cruel Youth now. I loved her EP and had NO IDEA it was Natalia

[@Philipp19967]

She wrote songs for Rihanna, Madonna and BlackPink. So even with so many people hating here, she ain't starving

[@mcmandy086]

Yes but she won't be selling out tours and albums herself. She now has to take a job in the background, that's how much she damaged her reputation.

[@nikitarayy]

I guarantee the people that still send her hate to this day don’t even remember the guys name nor support his music lmao

[@Remolizzo]

BRO GOT THE FANTANO SPONSORSHIP

[@InkAndPoet]

To be fair, Willy's music isn't all that special.

[@rewbi2196]

It really isn't. 😂😂 I remember people (and me) at the time were saying he was copying Elvis Presley, which is VERY ironic considering dude stole from many black musicians at the time. 🥴🥴

[@subwaydaddy]

I’m so tired of the online vigilantly dog piling of people online. It’s like people see these “bullies” through their own life experiences and project that onto them. People are so quick to go after these bullies, and do and say things WAY worse. Like the baseball game girls, people really spammed her work as if her boss deserved that. Or hailey bieber, the girl got death threats and people said her dog should die. Everyone needs to seek serious help if you think any of this is okay.

[@ImTheKillaMonster]

Trouble is still one of my ALL time favorite albums

[@sasa18girl]

I remember watching this incident and people like choices were made. However I do love cruel youth’s music and listen. The woman is talented. It’s just unfortunate her career as she started out blew up and then blew up into flames 🔥. But they’re still working tho which is cool.

[@darcyflowers8771]

I love a royal fuck up like this, what a TV moment 😂. Her music was edgy and kinda cool for the time but i feel like we didn't really "miss" anything

[@alategaymer]

I’ve been waiting for years for this video! I freaking loved Natalia Kills as a teen!

[@AnosikeImmanuel]

Screaming at that AD read 😂😂

[@jamesisace93]

I can't believe how many people still fall for "reality" TV. Even back then it was well known nothing on TV is real

[@ilisafonua2798]

Okay, I was literally JUST listening to some of her songs like a day ago 👀

[@Ikacita]

When I was an kid I use to hear about her a lot….now I don’t hear about her

[@universalg1rl]

i always loved her music, still do even though cruel youth releases have been a little too few but im hoping she comes back and people give her another shot. she deserves it.

[@liliget-oe3sj]

Well she is back. She changed her name and music style.

[@universalg1rl]

@@liliget-oe3sj oh i know. I mentioned cruel youth but that they dont have a lot of stuff out is my only complaint

[@owninfools23]

i’m gonna say this and i hope i don’t sound ridiculous but i never knew who this man or woman was until the x factor debacle.

[@flyfantasy6565]

I wish you'd kept same energy with Camilla Cabello's decade old teenage tweets. Natalia's words were truly disgusting, even if Simon would ask her to do something like that she should've have some self-respect.

[@jameswesker15]

So we’re gonna judge Camilla for her old tweets when she was younger? Everybody changes, she could be a different person now. Shouldn’t judge people for past mistakes of course there are exceptions though.

[@BerninaPoubelle]

The Natalia memes at the time were fire though. It was her face with captions like “when you meet someone with the same birthday as you” or “when you show up to work and your coworker has the same uniform as you”. I remember those tumblr days lol

[@mindofzena8447]

Why is no one talking about that amazing sponsered section?? You did your thang with that! 😂👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

[@stanclark8824]

people really hold decades worth grudges. they are sad individuals.

[@aubiiii]

WHAT!!! I had no idea Cruel Youth was Natalia and her husband. I used to love their +30mg album when i was in 9th grade lol