Jesy Nelson & Jojo Siwa: When A Debut Goes Wrong

[@bhaktiagarwal5859]

I didn't know that Jesy released a second song lmao

[@WhitneyReacts]

I didn’t even know she broke away from Little Mix… but I usually live under a rock when it comes to current pop culture

[@Emerald_Forge]

Same i thought she unofficially retired 😭, I thought she'd transition to a influencer

[@chiara6612]

​@@Emerald_Forge I mean she keeps "teasing" songs on IG but never released any of them...

[@eltonmiller8218]

It’s actually really good lmao

[@Aeunax123]

Sis, I came here to say this exact thing lol

I wish Jesy’s second song “Bad Thing” was her debut single. It is so good and truly showcase her voice and talent.

[@elijahpillay5344]

the fact that jesys second single was so good

[@zanehung7983]

Little Mix had me thinking there was true united friendship inside this group. Then it made me realise it was still business.

[@1louisprotector28]

The other girls are still close and support each other though, Jesy just ruined it for herself because she wanted to be someone she's not. That's her own fault.

[@bleudiamondbleu]

There WAS tho. The other 3 are still close. Leighanne just posted on her Instagram story today about Perrie. JESY was the problem.

[@MagnoliaBelle369]

Perfect exploration and summation.

[@SpookyAsuna]

I can imagine Jojo's halloween costume name, "WWE Bad Girl" 😂 and I really liked Jesy in Little Mix until she left. 💀

[@Vuitton_The_Ruler_]

One wanna be Beyonce and the other trying to be Miley Cyrus 😂

[@KyeranNisbet]

Jojo trying to convince everybody she's a "bad girl" now will never not be hilarious 😂

[@justjoannak]

This

[@a.d.8827]

she did some bad things tho

[@DrT0705]

She should have never effed around 😂

[@suoutubez19]

this joke is not pretty old and overdone at this point tbh even cringier than jojo’s behavior

[@beingthisyoungisart13]

@@suoutubez19frrrrr

[@Ennaitak]

Boyz could have been passable if it wasn't for Jesys controversy. "Bad thing" deserved a chance. Karma was going to be cringy either way just due to Jojos nature.

[@adrianmikel]

I seen what Boyz was going for as it kinda gave a 2000s vibe and song but something in the song is missing. Now the black fishing she should’ve listen to her Leigh Anne about the black fishing and never allowed nicki to attack Leigh Anne. But with information I found out about her departure from Little mix, she was moving funny anyway.

[@shanel4294]

@@adrianmikelall of this👏🏽👏🏽

[@Das644]

@@adrianmikelboyz is a nice clubby song. It is a bop sonically. I personally feel like the whole black phishing controversy was just a bad played out case unfortunately having Leigh and jes fall prey to other’s actions. It ultimately turned from the central issue being “black phishing” to a Jes(bad) vs Leigh(good), Jesy never said anything about Leigh, she just chuckled when Nicki made remarks. And I personally feel like there was never gonna be a win in the situation for either. Jesy might have grown around black culture, but I agree she along the lines became insensitive/blind to what she was doing. Leigh even though pushed to front the rage, also has her own controversies surrounding race. Race is relatively, black in America is not the same in the uk, and in SA for example, so multiple pov all chimming in was bound to be a mess

[@AbracadabraBipipityBopotyBOO]

@Das644 I agree. I think the UK fans already had the well poisoned against Jesy from people like Mnek and other executives and the drop around Boyz was the perfect storm to ostracize her for leaving the group sort of like how they attempted to dump on Zayn when he left 1D. If we objectively look at Boyz and compare it to the Bad Boyz version frame for frame, it was clear what Jesy and her creative team were doing with the video. I personally look at Leigh-Anne sideways as well for trying to make that video into something it wasn’t with her note to fans after the video dropped and penning an open letter to Jesu as if she made all Black men in the video into “degenerates” when it was more white and mixed race men in the video than not. What’s more it’s hard to say Jesy is blackfishing for me as a Black woman when she has never claimed to be Black as others who black fish has or to be racially ambiguous. She’s also claimed herself as a white woman and to me Leigh-Anne used this incident much like the X Factor incident with her rival Black competitor as a “woe as me moment” to win sympathy for her own career.

[@armywithluv55]

I feel like also jest shouldn't make her debut single a FEATURING omg

[@WhoCaresAlisha]

Wannbe "lightskin" era Jesy was so crazy. Her team saw the spray tan and the lace fronts and were like "Yeah, this will totally work." JoJo's rebranding was just bad production quality, styling, and marketing all around.

[@yageshabazz3456]

Essentially both were hindered by questionable style choices

[@jessycaone4276]

After Justin and Miley ppl were officially DONE with the lightskin eras ☠

[@Ibibiogal]

I worked on the Jesy MV (it was a nightmare) heard of little mix but didn’t know what they looked like. I thought Jesy was mixed-race until the video and black-fishing stuff came out. I didn’t meet Diddy though they shot his scene like a month later in LA. Glad I didn’t meet Diddy.

[@Whatdoradidntexplore006]

​@@jessycaone4276and even tho i love ariana grande put her on that list too😂

[@olapyza]

Shes white?!

[@gaby-leighjonathan2207]

Now I can't get Jesse Nelson's " JINGLE BELL BALL ARE YOU READY ?" Out of my head 😭😭

[@flopera3833]

The "NO WE'RE NOT" person in the crowd as well😭

[@bellaelleira]

@@flopera3833 that person lives rent free in my mind lol the way I still think of it and chuckle at random af times 😭

[@agoogleaccount5859]

She will always be iconic 😍😍😍😍 people still talk about her to this day due to the JINGLE BELL BAWL and she even did a tiktok on the ‘ARE YA READAYAYYY’ meme she made an impact she still spoke about nearly three year after unlike the other three little mix members! This shows ‘honest’ is DISHONEST and wrong once again! ☕️

[@dakotatoney]

@@agoogleaccount5859not really, the only reason ppl still talk about it because it’s a meme now. If she was genuine with her comeback ppl would have received it better. Instead of acting like she came from somewhere she wasn’t.

[@agoogleaccount5859]

@@dakotatoney it’s BEEN a meme for 3 years and people still talk about her and bring up her meme 😍😍 and they bring up her meme BALEGDE 8 years ago they talk about that still today! 😍😍 and Jesy specifically came back now teasing snippet cuz she knew ppl was talking about her cuz of summer time ball. Memes have made ppl more relevant such as Nicki Minaj , Sabrina carpenter , Miley Cyrus and even Jojo Siwa so it will work for JESY 😍😍

[@sav715]

i mean i feel like we cant forget that jojo’s debut was basically just to get attention away from the abuse her and her mom were being accused of and it worked

[@northrnstar]

highkey embarrassing how they tried to come up with the "lmao it was all intentional we were trolling" after karma took a nosedive out of the charts

[@hotmamma2126]

It did the opposite. Everybody who looked into her flop would become aware of the child abuse. If the videos don't mention it, several comments absolutely will. There's a good reason child abuse isn't as easy to spread around like fun gossip

[@chinchilla3050]

Sorry, what were they accused of? I never heard

[@mimia.4810]

It’s so sad how Jesy ruined her image with this terrible debut. Her other song is much better and should have been the image she led with. Moreover, the way she left the group was awful and messy. You don’t bash the group you came from because that’s where most of your fans will come from. For example, when Camila cabello left fifth Harmony, she was smart enough to always say nice things about the band and not piss off her audience. That’s why her debut was successful.

[@nemhardjenkins2191]

Camila the same person that had to attends a racially healing therapy or camp ish 😂😂😂 ... what a good sport

[@annoyingnope827]

I feel like out of all 4 of them. Jesy had the biggest potential to be a star. She had a collab with Nicki and everyone was talking abt her jingle bell ball performance (even if it was for a bad reason). If jesy had release a follow up single right after the performance, she would’ve had a hit, and became a star

[@AlwaysLM2011]

@@annoyingnope827 jesy had the least potential solo

[@annoyingnope827]

@@AlwaysLM2011 that’s just a lie. So far jesy has had the most publicity out of all the girls

[@Blast2224]

Yeah but now nobody cares about Camilla Caboohy because they did that awful Cinderella and Qwuismoys. Gen Z is done with her 😂

[@nessa007productions]

Perrie and Leigh-Anne each having over a million monthly listeners on Spotify for their solo work while Jesy only has 100k+ listeners, says a lot!

[@hellohoneyfernishere7301]

Yeah but jest blows all three out of the water KZbin wise and that’s prob cause jesy hasn’t released any new music in over a year and boyz alone still blows Leighanne’s and perries whole careers out of the water streams wise

[@FOHaab]

​​@hellohoneyfernishere7301 KZbin views don't fucking matter 😂 If no one is streaming your songs, your career won't last. KZbin views are about gaining interest. Crazy how she can pull so many youtube views but those views aren't transferring literally anywhere else... almost like nobody cares about her music!

[@Philipp19967]

​@@hellohoneyfernishere7301 90% of those due to Nicki minaj being on it

[@OfficialSunspot]

Flop off

[@AlwaysLM2011]

@@hellohoneyfernishere7301are you aware that boys has views because of Nicki and p. Diddy? Let’s not forget the drama added to it . Her second song didn’t even get a million views after a year? So there ya go

[@a.d.8827]

chappell roan is the gay pop jojo siwa was talking about

[@AdzaanMaiiTso]

chappell roan is the gay pop we deserve. ♥️

[@CinnamonGirl0716]

Its satisfying to believe JoJo's flop era launched Chapelle's career too like Brit Smith(in my opinion at least).

[@Youtubeaccount50512]

@@CinnamonGirl0716how did she launched Chapelle’s career they are nothing alike

[@sunfvalley]

chappell success have more connection with the game stardew valley ​@@CinnamonGirl0716

[@LoveK1]

@@KZbinaccount50512people just be talking.

[@lucaria6164]

Didn’t know Jesy had a 2nd song, checked and it’s been a year and has not break 1mil views. I-💀

[@veronicaaccouche1478]

Jesy Nelson's 2nd song 'Bad Thing' about her parent's abusive relationship made with a UK charity that looks after and advises abused people, Refuge UK kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHrPlaFofNqHp80

[@babybluejustice]

it's still hilarious how that nicki drama went down with jesy and then RIGHT AFTER, everyone forgot about her completely 😭

[@agoogleaccount5859]

How is everyone forgot about her everyone STILL talks about her? For example ur commenting under a video about Jesy 🤣💀 Jesy still is spoken about on Twitter and Tiktok. And every December and June she’s spoken about due to the JINGLE BELL BAWL festival meme 😍😍 she’s spoken about way more than the other little mix members that’s for sure and ppl still make videos about her like this video ☕️☕️

[@TheEmbessyNetwork]

Who?

[@agoogleaccount5859]

@@TheEmbessyNetwork this is literally what the video is about I think maybe this proves your really really slow lmao

[@northrnstar]

​@@agoogleaccount5859what's the point of people still talking about her when all the talk is about how she's embarrassing herself with the blackfishing and overall nasty behavior? all that bad publicity and people still won't tune in for her new music 💀

[@TheEmbessyNetwork]

@@agoogleaccount5859 no baby girl, it's called a joke. You thought you were cooking there, but I'm a need you to turn off that stove please...

[@deadlynightshade4108]

Jesy's jingle bell ball performance is iconic for all the wrong reasons LOL

[@smr6141]

So, who else completely forgot about Jesy? ... 🤭

[@adrianmikel]

I did too like I don’t follow her, blocked on Spotify and I haven’t listen to little mix music in while to think of her.

[@smr6141]

@@adrianmikel the crazy part is I haven’t even forgotten about the other girls. I still have some of their songs in my playlists but I never think about Jesy when they play 💀

[@adrianmikel]

@@smr6141 exactly

[@yageshabazz3456]

🙋🏾‍♀️ she’s too generic to be memorable imo

[@fizzypop6552]

not me,I follow her

[@Absy722]

Not the WWE Halloween costume 😂😂

[@samaiyanickson269]

And the Kiss costume 😂😂

[@nicolevo9261]

Yeah and it looks like something from Party City

[@Shakeitup2013]

Jesy Nelson was trying to hard to be something she wasn’t

[@Janice.g1357]

Tbh after watching her interviews and stuff she really does give the impression that this kind of music and style is the music she loves and always wanted to make. I think it felt authentic

[@LuisGustavoSO]

​​@@Janice.g1357 she sang Bust Your Windows in her X Factor audition. That's definitely the kind of music she likes What troubled her debut was for sure the controversy surrounding her, Leigh-Anne and Nicki. The song is not great, but not awful either

[@Whatdoradidntexplore006]

👏

[@AbracadabraBipipityBopotyBOO]

@aaron18283 And that is why I know people were geared up to hate Jesy regardless of whatever song or image she bought to her solo career. Ariana Grande cosplayed as a Latinx and Black woman for YEARS and no one batted an eye at her black fishing and it didn’t stop her from winning awards and getting streamed. So, what was the reason they came for Jesy? She also has never said she was Black or mixed race either and only made an homage to the Bad Boys song that was frame for frame a reference to the original video.

[@Shakeitup2013]

@@AbracadabraBipipityBopotyBOO true

[@coll4455]

Debut Downer is so accurate lol

[@Kalex92]

Let’s not forget jesy regarding the black fishing and the cultural appropriation.

[@ionasmith1998]

⁠@AECONIChow did Perrie appropriate?

[@Dance18sC]

Shut up 🙄

[@mrbigbosskojak]

I honestly think Jesy took the whole 'I'm hot, you're not' persona too seriously. We always saw her pouting and posing. I think she would be more likeable if she were to show her personality more.

[@LP-ct9nk]

That is her personality tho. After all those years it stops becoming an act and now a part of you

[@azulyuhh87]

Yeah she’s actually really nice, to her fans at least

[@gonda3435]

lufabettabettaswee

[@Alejaccx]

lmaaooooo

[@preposteroussvideos]

LMAOOOOOOOOO

[@armywithluv55]

Bein nais a lil borin wenyaBetuendishits 👅👅👅

[@solaris5922]

Shut up 😂😂😂😂😂

[@blueroses4373]

Get out 😂😂

[@kingderald]

Jessy thought that Nicki co sign was going to help

[@amigos2841]

now with the aftermath of her beef with Megan Thee Stallion and Diddy being in the video has made it age terribly too lol

[@toxiczombiewolf5692]

Not gonna look good working with a horrible person like nicki she lost touch and care for sa victims

[@AG-fg1uk]

​@@toxiczombiewolf5692You are in every comment section dragging Nicki with insults. It's cringe

[@AG-fg1uk]

Nicki actually brought hype to the single because it was her 1st feature after a long hiatus, everyone was liking the song. Trouble started when her ex band mate brought up the blackfishing.

[@amigos2841]

@@AG-fg1uk actually no, I'm come from UK and the press and people were already talking about it the black fishing before the band mates even said a word

[@Ric_Irv]

That solo Jessie era gave us so many good memes😭😭😭😭

[@cherryprincess5396]

Jesy threw her entire career to the trash just because she didnt want to stop cosplaying black women…

[@Elina.Clavelli]

Ok, but “Debut Downer” is honestly a genius term in many ways, including its play on words with “Debbie Downer” (which def also applies in these cases 😅)

[@GRA5S]

It didn't help that Jesy's former girl group where all about woman empowerment and sisterhood then when she went solo she legit talked shit about her former group like they weren't her 3 bestfriends for the past decade. It left a bad taste in her fans' mouths. It drove away even her long time fans because her attitude seemed so hypocritical.

[@karishajohnson6537]

Love how they use Blackness both the color and race to “mature” and rebrand their image.

[@Whatdoradidntexplore006]

😂 exactly like why

[@LuisGustavoSO]

Jesy didn't rebrand though. She had been tanning and filling her lips for years before leaving the group. The hate only came later, interestingly

[@mariambah4583]

​@@LuisGustavoSOI think it’s because she openly said that no one blamed her on it While she was deliberately lying

[@amoreweasley5302]

@LuisGustavoSO She was called out by some fans before her departure. The general public didn’t talk about it because they didn’t know about her yet

[@LuisGustavoSO]

@@amoreweasley5302 "some fans" like... 3 of them? She was doing it since 2016 and people only commented, and very rarely, about it when the Sweet Melody video dropped. They only sent *hate* and labeled her racist after she left the group though

[@shanel4294]

Boys was a tribute to diddy? Didn’t know that

[@kiiara222]

It samples his track bad boy for life

[@shanel4294]

@@kiiara222 fair enough but loads of artists sample without actually paying respect to the original. Interestingggggggggg for sure

[@tiffl4592]

​@@shanel4294 tribute may not be the proper word but it definitely pays homage, he's literally in the music video

[@brandoncole5533]

How???

[@shanel4294]

@@tiffl4592 yeahh whatever it is is very cool interesting and sus

[@ponderer467]

Perrie and Leigh have had a successful debut career!!

[@brandoncole5533]

Bad things imo is a good song with a nice video but her messy debut just ruined it all. One thing i did hate tho was people telling her that she couldnt release a spng about domestic violence or that it felt cheap because people couldnt critique it? 1st off you can critique a song no matter what regardless of its subject matter Secondly, its disingenuous to criticize or shit talk a song because you dont like the person. Criticize the character not the work.

[@AlwaysLM2011]

Jesy was just so dramatic and it was so unnecessary. She was so messy and ruined her own career. I’m just gonna say it, so far Leigh Anne has had the best music and start of her career out of the girls. Perrie is ok I just think her music has been too generic and unauthentic. I didn’t think jesy would make it far even without the drama. Jade will debut in July and I have high hopes for her.

[@akouna]

i mean afaik it looks like all of them are doing good. still waiting for jade's debut though

[@AlwaysLM2011]

@@akouna jesy isn’t doing well let’s be real.

[@MotoGPForever4527]

Leigh's music has been crap so far, and Perrie's already outstreaming her

[@AlwaysLM2011]

@@MotoGPForever4527 learn your math because overall Leigh has more streams ? Some of her ep songs has more streams than her second single tears? Tears hasn’t even reached a million streams yet and it’s her second single ? Sorry but perrie isn’t living up to the hype but Leigh Anne is exceeding expectations. By the way Leigh Anne and perrie both have 1.6 monthly listeners despite Leigh Anne not doing promo or dropping a single. Perries should be way more since in your eyes she’s doing much better right?😂

[@AlwaysLM2011]

@AECONIC exactly…..she still didn’t get promo for it and still has amazing streams and the same monthly listeners as perrie who has been the one having her solo moment dropping two singles and doing promo. Take that how you will and leave at that.

[@SuperMarkizas]

Feels like Jesy messed up bigger because she trashed her ex-band. JoJo is somewhere in the corner doing her thing.

[@marianarath4024]

Ironically enough she even said positive things about Abby Lee that would be her equivalent of who she owns her fame, and in that case she actually shouldn’t keep saying good things about that abuser

[@highro13]

“A bad KISS impression” 😂😂😂😂

[@6ixsavag3]

She really does look like she’s wearing a wwe Halloween costume. 😂😂 great review!

[@roboelectrooverlord6346]

Jojo not serious she just trying to distract from the accusations of child abuse against he

[@chiara6612]

boyz is just so unoriginal. i know it's a p diddy sample, but why copy the entire music video?

[@ambergris5705]

Another thing in common, is that both releases were so selfish and egocentric. Jesy's departure from Little Mix got her a lot of sympathy, along with the understanding that she needed time away from the limelight. So when she came back (too quickly) with a worse version of what she was already doing at LM, seemingly contradicting her own statements, it did not feel like a genuine new start like we were wishing for her, but instead like an unjustified divorce that left everyone worse off. It's as if she was "finally I am free to do what I want, now where's the fake tan !?" Jojo's debut is also treating her fanbase as irrelevant or even a burden. You like me? Too bad, now I am BAAAAD. I have no doubt Jojo got stuck playing a (cringe and immature) role which was not comfortable, and which she needed to shed, but she chose instead to go for something even more cringe and immature. Why ? Clearly because she wanted to be the center of attention, instead of being open and transparent and honest in her new era. Jojo wants to break away from her persona, but where it would be beautiful and sweet to be herself with her fans, instead she treats it like a game. Now, selfishness and egocentrism in music is very common, but those two situations were so blatant that I am not surprised it turned out bad for them.

[@preposteroussvideos]

JINGLE BELL BOW

[@aa-pj4vz]

ARE YA READYYYYY

[@Raggiefoul582]

NO WERE NOT❗️

[@1louisprotector28]

Jesy was trying so hard to seem like a poc/black girl, she know damn well that she was never like that growing up and even early Little Mix days. Putting on that persona just to start her music career was so disgusting. I used to be fan of her when she was in Little Mix, she was my favorite one and I defended her all the time, but after what she did to Leigh-Anne Pinnock and her blocking fans for trying to educate her made me lose all respect for her. Jojo Siwa is just plain cringy and so extra af for no reason. Enough said....

[@Keng04T]

Wasn’t Jesy called out for Black Fishing?

[@marymiranda2687]

I am a Little Mix OG fan and I didn't even know that Jesy put out a second single until I saw this video HAHAHA That's how you know that the LM fandom has completely disowned her.

[@J1NXXXX]

i’ve been a little mix fan since i was about 13- im 20 now. jesy, for the longest time, was my favorite member due to relating to her struggle of being insecure in her weight. being there to watch jesy & nicki tear leigh down and call her jealous of jesy actually broke my heart. leigh has ALWAYS been the biggest sweetheart, and she didn’t deserve that in the slightest. i disliked jesy for a while after that, and still mostly do. boyz was a terrible song, but bad things definitely deserved a chance. stream leigh-anne’s new ep “no hard feelings” and perrie’s latest single, “tears”! :)

[@ahmednasri6101]

Jesy literally ruined her own career honestly she was amazing in LM and when she left LM lost everything 😢

[@Krissy_K888]

I feel bad about Jesy's situation, because I think she was running from her issues by leaving Little Mix and then she didn't take time to work through them before exploring herself as an artist. I suppose that's why her debut had to be just a copy and paste job of an existing song and video. I hope she manages to turn things around both personally and professionally.

[@AbracadabraBipipityBopotyBOO]

Amen. As an OG Mixer, it’s clear the girl has been spiraling for a long time with body dysmorphia, substance abuse issues, and self-esteem problems. The way the tabloids berated her, her label mishandled her issues, and even the fans turned on her continuously from her X Factor days until now, makes me sad for her because she of all the girls doesn’t seem as if she ever really got to enjoy being in Little Mix. When she said she didn’t want to be in the group to avoid comparisons, it made sense. I still can’t believe her label heard her say she wanted to delete herself and still called her to come into work the next week.

[@COBO2]

Diddy’s latest antics has made Jessy’s debut even worse.

[@tobennaokoli4450]

Jesy’s rebrand was a cry for attention. Jojo’s rebrand was a cover up. Common theme: NEITHER was genuine.

[@ShiShi429]

Are we forgetting "Can't Be Tamed"? Miley had to re-debut basically.

[@criminalmindsgirl2936]

JoJo was just for her time. That was it. Beyond what she's done in the past decade. Nobody cares. She's like the Kardashians/Jenners. Once your time in the spotlight starts to fade. You gotta do everything you can to stay relevant. It's sad honestly. Especially for the "celebrities" who have no talent/jobs These social media influencers/reality stars/gamers

[@obsessed2754]

Honestly, the spotlight never left the Kardashian/Jenners. Even if they are basically not doing anything, the news really do stick to them. I get tired hearing from Kardashians too but just accepted that even after a decade and in the future, they still will be relevant. And why is that? The kids are continuing their legacy. Everyone is talking about the kids as well (thankfully in a good way, right now). And even w/o the kids, people are still talking about them (just kendall eating out, kylie dating, kim's shenanigans, what they wear, blah blah). I can't really compare Jojo to them because lmao I dont know what to say about jojo haha still trying to grasp it 😂

[@theresonlyonequeenbee]

Jesy song was bad. Simple as that. The whole thing was a train wreck. Then that jinglebell performance solidified her downfall.

[@tyisha2105]

I'm tired of Jesy Blackfishing

[@shaneilellis9832]

You mean,when PR goes wrong.

[@honestboy]

debuts and PR goes hand in hand

[@shaneilellis9832]

@@honestboy aha

[@joncerda351]

Honest, I LOVE ALL THESE VIDEOS. Can we talk about Chappel Roan? She's only debut and the gays are crowning her next Gaga etc. I see her as Taylor Swift for the gays, I genuinely don't get it. Until I see her #1 singles, she's not the next anything.

[@chiara6612]

you can tell jesy is still very insecure and resentful towards the other girls. she's always been jealous of them, especially of leigh. i know this doesn't justify anything she's done, but i can't help but feel bad for her. i know what it feels like to be relentlessly bullied; it scars you for life.

[@mariambah4583]

The difference is that Drake is mixed and Jesy is 100% White

[@MakaylaWilliams-y3c]

​@DanielSiddique-hq3og if you are pretending to be a race, you're not that's a crime

[@AbracadabraBipipityBopotyBOO]

@chiara8822 You’re rewriting history. From the X Factor days until almost the second to last album, Jesy was the girl who would fight for all of the girls if anyone said anything to or about them. She got in trouble for defending Leigh-Anne against the other Black contestant on C Factor and told radio DJs off for bringing Zayn up when he and Petrie broke up. You are right though that it’s clear she was scarred and never seemed to enjoy her time as a celebrity because of how nasty the UK press has been to her and other celebrities.

[@JDD_MD]

What surface level commentary. Surprised he didn’t mention the fact that Jesy did a hard 180 into 50s/60s nostalgia (white) Americana aesthetic after her cosplaying with black culture failed so miserably.

[@blueprint0162]

Honest, you have to play fair. When it comes to the Diddy cameo to be fair to Jesy, this was 2 years (2022) BEFORE all the stuff came out about him so I don’t think that it’s fair to say that by him makng a cameo (at the time), was a bad move on Jesy’s part for a debut solo song. Now, if she had released the song AFTER the Diddy stuff then I would agree with your point however, as it was before I don’t think it should be used against her. Jesy didn’t navigate her departure from Little Mix very well at all. She had already fallen out with the rest of the group and was bashing the groups sound. Fair enough that she was more into r&b than pop, but it was the girly pop sound that gave her the platform she has to make music. She shouldn’t have parted with the group in a negative way and bash her former group members. Then to say that you needed a break to take time away, when in fact you were planning on releasing solo music, is what made her not come off well. The song and video in (terms of her look) is what gave negative feedback. I guess some Little Mix fans didn’t like her anymore due to how she left the group and on the other hand, people felt that she was trying too hard to ger away from the Little Mix pop image to be more cool and ‘urban’. The controversy about her look relating to blackfishing also came up which didn’t help then, to add on to all of that there was more drama between her and Leigh-Anne and Nicki Minaj got involved defending Jesy-which caused more problems. The song didn’t land well due to Jesy try too hard to be cool and urban and people found her image and the song corny. Jesy is lost when it comes to music. She shouldn’t have burnt bridges with her ex group members and really should’ve taken time out to figure out who she is and her sound because by doing that, she would’ve had an authentic transition into a solo artist. Maybe in the future she will come out with more believable and better music but for now, she needs to find her way.

[@LP-ct9nk]

People in the industry have known about Diddy for years. There’s a reason his appearances in songs started to dwindle even before the allegations came out Not to mention she worked with Nicki and all the stuff about her man was definitely known and an issue but jesy didn’t care cuz she was starstruck

[@AG-fg1uk]

​@@LP-ct9nkNicki brought hype to the song as this was her first feature since a 2 year hiatus. Everyone liked the single when it dropped. Things went downhill when Leigh anne brought up blackfishing to obviously rain on her release. That's what white pop stars were doing at that time including Ariana Grande.

[@amoreweasley5302]

@AG-fg1uk That is quite a lot of lies. Everyone clearly hated it. I’m pretty sure there’s an article from Harvard talking about the song being horrible. The reception to the song was so clearly negative. And it’s weird to say things went downhill from Leigh Anne talking about the blackfishing cause that’s another lie. Everyone already talked about it after her first picture after the announcement she was leaving the group when she was still dark. Then more people talked about it after the teasers for the song came out. Then much more people talked about it right after the music video was released. People didn’t start talking about it because of Leigh Anne. You’re twisting things to take blame off of Jesy

[@criminalmindsgirl2936]

Trying to be Miley Cyrus. Let's be honest..."Flowers" saved Miley's career. Because her Bangerz era almost destroyed it. Along with her wild antics. Hopefully Miley now realized she doesn't need to be over sexual to sell music.

[@LaraCookie5]

Bangerz restored her career again. Her wild antics did ruin it after!

[@OrkunPisirgen-kj4oi]

​@@LaraCookie5i dont think her career ever ruined malibu was a top 10 hit plastic hearts to this they have cult following and deserves it i mean she did a cover and has 200 milion views on youtube 😅

[@LaraCookie5]

@@OrkunPisirgen-kj4oi She never got the same buzz after Bangerz. Thankfully, for the succes of Flowers.

[@OrkunPisirgen-kj4oi]

@@LaraCookie5 she didnt promote anything after bangerz thats why even flowers not promoted much just tiktok she didnt do tour since bangerz she does a album then she vanishes then she comes back with another

[@LaraCookie5]

@@OrkunPisirgen-kj4oi Miley did promote her music, just not as aggressively as other artists. During her Bangerz era, she gained massive attention due to the controversy surrounding it. Coming off Hannah Montana, she transformed into a wild persona with a short pixie cut, which drew a lot of attention. However, after Bangerz, her Dead Petz era didn’t create much buzz because she had fallen off the charts, and people had grown tired of her outrageous behavior-sticking her tongue out and being vulgar constantly. Her Malibu era came and went, with the only memorable moment being her Billboard performance. She attempted to regain momentum with *She is Coming*, but the project was eventually canceled, and even songs like "Mother’s Daughter" didn’t generate much interest. Miley did actively promote *Plastic Hearts*, performing at the VMAs, pre-Super Bowl events, and more. Despite these efforts, her stardom has waned, largely because she lost a lot of fans during her "wild" phase, and many of them switched to other pop stars. It’s not accurate to say she didn’t promote her music, as she had many live performances and appearances at events like the VMAs. Her last album only gained significant attention because of the success of "Flowers," but it’s clear she’s no longer the "it-girl." She remains an A-list celebrity, but that’s about it. Even her collaboration with Beyoncé didn’t perform well, peaking at number six on the Billboard charts before quickly dropping. If the song had been with Ariana Grande, it likely would have been a more stable hit. Have a nice day! Oh, and I won’t be commenting anymore.

[@Anyre.]

How about calling it the Freshman Flop

[@hi-bd5kn]

You know it’s bad when jesy nelson is being compared to bloody jojo siwa

[@marinabetancourtofficial]

balegda

[@akouna]

the difference between them is that jesy was more hated than jojo is jesy is not blackfishing recently, even though she never said anything, it looks like she stopped i really just wish jesy improved, in her little mix era she was really different...

[@akouna]

@AECONIC she was a bit more open minded and kind, and it just doesn't look like herself now

[@SkylarTheWriter]

Well done! This was a really informative and dope analysis of both ladies' respective debuts.

[@EclecticPotpourri]

did I miss the blackfishing part of the video?

[@murrrmur]

no, he didn't even mention it, which was very surprising to me.

[@EclecticPotpourri]

@@murrrmur with the whole union Jack sequin durag lol.

[@abubarrie88]

I liked Jesys debut song not gonna lie.

[@Alejaccx]

You mean, Jesy? .... 😋

[@abubarrie88]

@@Alejaccx yes thank you for catching that for me lol

[@matthewray2570]

Its catchy ngl

[@Iceking__21_]

lavabettabetta annaswii, baboymaresseppi, beinnaiz aliroboureinwen you in betuin da sheetz

[@Mf7d89]

Normani needs to be a part of this video

[@37839]

Boyz is so awful, gosh......

[@whatifschrodingersboxwasacofin]

Sorry… who and who?? Coming to you from out here in the real world… 😂

[@Jolenecorn]

Lesson learned if is not your time don't waste your time.

[@RihannaChristina]

Jesy wanted to be the Beyonce of the group but she couldn’t even be the Camilla of the group. Nobody was hungry for her

[@vanessad.2625]

I don't know who Jessy nelson is, Jojo looked like she was about to body slam a puppy. These ladies just trying too hard.

[@Stardrop-luck]

Boyz was a decent song but i really like bad thing more, it felt more real and i was able to connect with it more than boyz which became quite forgettable after awhile,bad thing definitely deserved more than it got❤

[@Shakeitup2013]

I’m gonna be honest you really make good videos

[@90swannabe56]

I’m quick but I’m late loool. At least Normani is eatingggg

[@dodinik4466]

I don't know about that. I'm sorry for Normanis management, but her album is boring af

[@dreameva1400]

@@dodinik4466 Jesy is boring too

[@blackandbluemadness7965]

Jesy just burned all her brudges and destroyed every trace of good will people still had for her, then released a mediocre song. There was no coming back from that

[@trusha_tungare]

Years of reality tv child abuse has made jojo delusional and her team is just feeding her more delusion by stating hate/cringe/bad publicity is all good as long as it makes money you us... Thats why she felt "honored" when SNL made fun of her. She doesn't get that what SNL did wasn't a compliment... like wtf!

[@donjai9366]

Hi Honest speaking of Ariana Grande at 1:38 when are we gonna get that Eternal Sunshine review ? 🤔

[@v_v_zip]

Considering the Boyz would have been a hit, I dont think Jesy doesn't even DESERVE to be along side Jojo and Karma as a bad debut. Jojo and Karma were DESTINED to flop because of the way Jojo handled it while Jesy's problem wasn't the song but her CONTINUOUS scandals of mistreating little mix members(Especially Leigh-Anne) and her constant blackfishing

[@twiiterthread3885]

BAD BOY NO RECIPE BEGIN NICE A LITTLE BORING WHNE IN BETWEEN MY SHEETS SHEETS

[@emeline02]

Forgot Jesy existed lmao

[@riojordan3659]

Next up ‼️ can you please do normani’s debut downer and chloe bailey…. Both of there debuts surprisingly did not take off ….

[@jsijret3947]

Jesys whole look and persona is outdated. It kinda gives justina valentine/ Chanel westcoast vibes. Seems like when older women hold on to their youth by a string hoping a pop career is going to come. Its sad because they don’t realize how underwhelming it all is. The woah vicky wave is gone but they cant seem to accept it

[@jusmotheo5160]

With Jojo the whole Good girl gone bad persona is played out cause everyone done did that just like how sam smith, lil nas and Doja tried with the whole devil/illuminati imagery and persona, it no longer has that shock value it use to have back in the day she could've continued with the good girl image and slowly transitions to being more matured (it was gonna be seen as growth rather than a rebrand) and the whole Jesy situation really could've been handled properly cause there was no drama prior to the break up once Jesy announced that she's going solo now there's drama had that been kept under wraps it would've seemed like a amicable break up but both parties didn't allow it to be and everything got blow out of proportion anyway im gonna need the Little Mix fans to slow down on the Jesy hate tho cause none of them are innocent in this situation Leigh Anne was complimenting a friend who was clearly black fishing but somehow had a issue with Jesy black fish so what you do on the left you do on the right you cant condemn me for something you are cheering someone on for and that's what Nicki had a problem with if you going to call me out also call your friends out especially if they are doing what im also doing but how Nicki handled it now that's what I don't agree with but at the end of the day this whole situation (Jesy vs Leigh Anne and Little Mix break up) could've been handled better than how it was.

[@AbracadabraBipipityBopotyBOO]

A whole word! I felt that the LM breakup was a clear instance of history being rewritten. As an OG Mixer, I remember that the original creative directors put Jesy in a Curly red wig similar to her wig the fans and others got mad at her for wearing in the Nicki interview and in Boyz videos in the pink jacket scene for the group’s original single, Wingz. Likewise, Jesy had been tanning for years and NEVER claimed to be a Black woman or mixed race. But, she magically turned into a black fisher the day she leaves the group? If the girls had that much animosity why was Jesy always the one who defended and fought for each girl in public interviews when a host came against them? It makes no sense she just magically went from being their sister to being their biggest ops and a culture vulture. I also couldn’t get behind the black fish rumors because Ariana Grande is an even bigger a black fisher than Jesy and she’s STILL thriving to this day and and no one ever called her to the carpet to say that she actively spent years cosplaying as a Black and Latinx urban singer when the girl is Italian. 🙄 But, Jesy tanning was the sign of a girl who had mental health and body dysmorohia issues and no one cared.

[@8407x]

jesy slander? let me get my snacks ready!!

[@adamwayne6301]

Jesy did NOT deserve the hate train she got. Thats shit was so ridiculous.

[@1louisprotector28]

Coming from a former fan of her, she did deserve it. If she didn't start her solo career trying to be someone she never was, it wouldn't have backfired on her. Blocking fans who loved her and just trying to educate her on what she was doing, she definitely deserved the hate.

[@adamwayne6301]

@@1louisprotector28 the blackfishing stuff was so ridiculous. She can tan if she wants and wear whatever the fuck she wants.

[@adamwayne6301]

@@1louisprotector28 get outta here with the wokey pokey bull crap

[@1louisprotector28]

@@adamwayne6301 Lmfao!! You're so mad. And since she can do and wear what she wants and steal black culture she deserves hate. I hope she continues to get hated on and her career flops.

[@1louisprotector28]

@@adamwayne6301 You're so mad lmfao!! If she can do and wear whatever then she should get used to the hate.

[@pegacis]

Used to love this channel sad it’s become a content farm using an Ai voice

[@dor4376]

Jessy, so smart to leave a great band to make "her type of music" (well, diddy's cover, how nice😂)

[@emilykubicek8885]

This video just reminds me that I loved Bad Thing by Jesy. I hope she can recover from this or find a niche audience or something.

[@callumsahota8799]

I really liked Jesy's first single

[@Janice.g1357]

Same😭

[@realtalk6195]

You should do a video on Zayn Malik, which you haven't in a long time. His new music is mediocre and is a total flop.

[@newyorkgirl1997]

Honestly these two are proof that contrary to popular belief, not all press is good press.

[@criminalmindsgirl2936]

This needs to be a whole list of musicians

[@DW-bk5nb]

I’d argue jojos launch ,while corny, was definitely successful atleast for the meme. I could easily see her pivoting into better music and everyone suddenly unironically enjoying her

[@LP-ct9nk]

Yup all it takes is a bop and then people will like her again. The public has short memories when it comes to stuff like that

[@Laura-vl6db]

I honestly don’t think the songs were that bad. So, I’m not sure why everyone is so uptight about it. But it’s just preferences. Also- Jojo Siwa was trying to break into the “adult” world. Most of Jojo’s audience was mom and children. Moms are extremely critical. What teenager or adult was listening to Jojo? Also, about the little mi girl- she can be deemed unattractive to many and was overlooked in the group. She was easy to bully and ridicule. Miley audience was growing with her and she already had some risky moments on Disney channel.

[@glencoconut]

I feel like Jojo's attempt at rebranding failed because she was very happily telling everyone she's a bad girl now. it worked for other artists like miley because she didn't actively talk about her rebrand saying 'guys! look at me! i'm different now! :D' she just, changed naturally and shifted music sounds

[@izukumidoriya7122]

Which solo is better? Jesy: Like👍 Jojo Siwa: Comment

[@GaryReddock]

Jojo is way more talented than Jesy Jojo is an amazing dancer and can put on a good show