How Ne Feels (INTP)

[@Skimmerlit]

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[@andrewswanson4819]

Very nice explanation, I've also always viewed the NeSi axis as a huge web or database (or perhaps a collection of many interlinked databases) where Si categorizes and stores the data points/details themselves (which is why Si can sometimes be seen as pedantic compared to Se, since it's internally oriented rather than Se's "is what it is" nature), and Ne is the connector or "spider" that builds the connections between all these data points and databases in a way that reveals how everything's connected. I think this is how Ne users can come up with the wackiest analogies and personal anecdotes to illustrate a concept or its connections to other concepts with other people, often having "actually..." or "now that I think about it that's just like/reminds me of..." moments in real time during conversations or even while writing. It's fascinating how you can observe this exact process in both ISxJs and ENxPs with the way they tell stories and describe relationships between things due to having opposed but axially-congruent dominant/inferior functions. Sometimes it's even difficult to tell where Ne ends and Si starts due to how inextricably linked they are, like with cautiousness/anxiety - obviously other psychological factors can contribute to anxious behavior, but Si can be very cautious when it lacks concrete past experience with something, and Ne's cautiousness can manifest as a sort of catastrophized brainstorming (let's consider all the possibilities/options before moving forward because we don't know - ie don't have past experience with - what will happen/whatever it is) that you can see present in all NeSi types.

[@Bobby_101]

I resonate a lot with Ne and over explaining a single subject from multiple perspectives till the cows come home, even if I'm an infj. As an Ni user, that could be due to over active Ti, due to suppressed Fe parent in childhood, Ti needing to be as precise as possible (noticing that I wasn't clear enough verbally previously in my life) decided to compensate for the abstractness of Ni by leaning more on Ne, to gather as much examples as possible. -Lesson for Ni users: If what you try to explain is too abstract, give people examples (Hopefully s, not n). The realness (s) of the examples will make it relatable enough for people to at least buy into where you're headed as potentially reasonable, buying you time to backwards engineer the "starting from the end" conclusion your Ni gave them, to hopefully be successful in making people think that you went about it chronologically. Sprinkling in some of that Fe magic helps. Since saying "I just know. But give me some time to figure out why I know" I found for some reason doesn't work so well at making us sound sane. Back to Ne. Use it. Give examples. Examples are dope.

[@ntsomewhere885]

I followed (believed?) your processing lesson, but overall am left with an urge to argue with the theory behind your foundational reasoning. I mean, and this is controversial in today's cogfx community, can circumstances cause a person --over time--to suppress their second function and then overactivate their third function? Why wouldn't the cogfx stack follow the laws of nature in a "water seeks its level" sort of manner?

[@Bobby_101]

@@ntsomewhere885 I'm not sure I can tell you why the natural "pressure mediation" of stack doesn't seem perfectly even, against odds. But in my case, the social fear, pressure, and abusive situations made me almost completely avoid showing emotion - rendering Fe useless, and relying almost solely on Ti for communication, till adult age. Naturally, making it overactive. It probably was seeking it's level all the while, but was forced not to succeed due to the opposite force push back.

[@iRobins.]

@@ntsomewhere885 That's essentially what happens when INTPs are within TiSi loops isnt it? Which seem to be fairly common, Ne needs an ample amount of continuous information to upkeep itself and for your Si to continuously analyze. When you stop feeding it by staying in, its easier to become prone to redundancy in which your Si begins to fixate on the same things over and over as you analyze them into oblivion. Meanwhile your Ne creativity begins to die off a bit, I don't know how itd work for INFJs but I'd assume every type would have a similar element. It's possible that the functions simply have a greater cieling of usage the higher they are in your stack, which doesn't necessarily entail current usage of that function. If there is a scale of 20: Ti: Lingers from 15 - 20 at all times. Ne: Maxes at 15 but can go down to 8. Si: Begins at 6 but can go to 12. Fe: 1-5 It may be possible for a shut-in INTP to currently be at 9 Ne, whilst at 12 Si due to over usage. However if he were to put himself out there and begin to take in more experience, his Si would likely stay the same whilst overtime his Ne would shoot back to 15. I'm just conceptually bullshitting around trying to put a theory to it though

[@ntsomewhere885]

@@iRobins. The scale of 20 makes sense. Sounds about right broken down as you say.

[@saranonimus9211]

My INTP testimony... Everything about your description is spot on. I'm just chiming in with my favorite metaphors about the process, which I tend to use if I ever feel the need to explain to someone else how my mind works. I have a standard quip that there's a hamster on a wheel in my brain, and it never stops. That's a ridiculous oversimplification, of course. I have a multiplicity of hamsters. It's hamsters all the way down. The frontline hamsters are in charge of the broadest concepts; as information comes in, they check it against established theories and sort it into broad categories of inquiry. From there, information is fed to sub-hamsters, each working on answering some more specific question or solving some problem. Then the analysis goes back up the chain, with each layer of hamsters reporting any potentially valid theories, comparing those theories against previously established theories, until a working conclusion or principle is confirmed for use in the front line. The simpler, less fanciful metaphor is that of the aspen grove. The leaves are the bits of info coming in, each relating to a branch of a tree, but what may seem like many trees are actually one organism with one root system.

[@ntsomewhere885]

Yes! Hamster wheels and an aspen grove. Beautiful way to explain the way Ti uses Ne, imho.

[@jules5177]

Wow, ENTP here and this video is self fulfilling. I can show it to my ENTJ's so they dont think im full of shit. Actually, they will only listen for 30 seconds and decide they dont give a shit 😂

[@DreamUN]

I have NEVER FELT SO UNDERSTOOD! I thank you👏 -Enfp

[@jonney5701]

NeFi here, I would say this is pretty accurate especially with little ideas building up to patterns and grand ideas in a sort of web/pattern. As a dyslexic/visual thinking I would say its often quite literally kind of like a web in my head haha

[@mtsmourid2499]

dude i need a video abt infjs and intps togrther i wanna learn how to treat them with the right way.....

[@Skimmerlit]

Pay me two thousand dollars and I’ll write you a guide.

[@Skimmerlit]

Not really. INFJ info-beggars who spam new videos with unrelated questions get under my skin, especially when the video isn’t related to MBTI. If they won’t figure something out themselves or choose to ignore the context (there’ll be a video about that), they can pay.

[@mtsmourid2499]

@@Skimmerlit no thats not it i wasn't sure if ur gonna reply to an mbti video since its kinda old so i asked yuo in the last video🤗

[@mtsmourid2499]

plus i dont have 2000 dollars

[@mtsmourid2499]

@@alaric12 its like i asked u....? am talking to skimmerlit

[@camilla.callow8]

Keep up the great work! I love watching your videos and learn something new every time. Sometimes there are just those amazing informative collections that are ignored. I really believe that if people payed more attention to their resources, development would be quite simple. I sometimes take this a little too far though, and want to find out on my own! LOL, I want to learn the process and take note of different observations. At least I have a valid excuse for now. It is always a pleasure seeing what you have to say on the topic!

[@swaish4753]

Dude, this description is incredible 👏

[@abadi173]

i see what you mean by being unable to describe an abstract idea or picture in your mind, but at least if someone wants to learn and have patience to listen then they will be able to learn a lot, thats what i do with my INTP friend, he talks for hours and my god the things i learn everytime we meet is amazing, high Ne users have something that can help them with people, they can articulate really well, they have a large verbal catalog to draw from but they need to find someone who can listen, high Ni users on the other hand struggle with describing a concept for a totally different reason, they dont have many words to describe what they want to communicate so they end up compressing the idea into few words, as a result i comes of super abstract and unreadable, i think the best way is showing people results, they dont like concepts, show them something that their eyes can see and keep your concepts to yourself or so someone who can actually understand it.

[@ChaosBetwenEchos]

Would be helpfull, you have a clear grasp, of the cognitive functions

[@rafsanimam5647]

Would u be interested in making a video on the collective unconscious? Im very curious how it expresses itself through media

[@solairegwyn8761]

Is that asobi asobase in the thumbnail?

[@Skimmerlit]

Nah, it’s this old 4-koma I used to read.

[@ChaosBetwenEchos]

Do you have social media or comunity here we could talk i have question, in regards to ni then or better saying, infj. Im still confuse about certain things