How Ni Looks (INTP)

[@Skimmerlit]

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[@LittleMew133]

You're spot on. Ni is web thinking. Anything and everything are linked somehow, somewhere. So if I have 1 piece, I store it into the category of "I need the other pieces, but idk how or when I will get them, but someday..."

[@gg284u4h]

Excellent channel- love hearing how ni looks to others. I am an INTJ woman and will try to describe how it (Ni) feels to use. Ni for me is like having a brain that is low on ram or CPU, but has way , way more GPU (visual processing) power. I store most data as image files in my brain - they are neither mathematical nor logical - they are also not formed or tagged with any words mostly- neurons just connect similar image patterns together. Ni does not tell ME how it works either. Instead, I have learned to just feed it ever more data to calculate from.. This is like a rendered image resolving itself- it starts off fuzzy at first, and then gradually becomes crystal clear in my mind ( this is the creepily correct phase- the fuzzy phase is the part you are complaining about with us NI type- when the image is fuzzy in my mind I can't tell what is happening and it is kinda scary/paranoia-inducing.) I habitually spend many dozens of hours a week reading on topics of interest. I do this till I have completed all of the data- like a baleen whale coming the ocean, with a specific thing I'm filtering for - patterns, not specific data. I want the equation to get a result, not all the possible values of Y or X. When I was young I behaved more like you described- I have also reverse-engineered some of my Ni insights over time into words, so I can explain it carefully to others instead of being all mysterious all of the time. This took effort, like translating a painting into text or braille or something. Ni is like a very, very different computer language or an Ai learning system that can build its own bespoke frames of reference from scratch. It is like having Dall-e mini in my mind. I build each image unique based on a focused set of parameters. For me the image is always future-focused- So I ask my Ni "what should I do with x top achieve y result in 4 years?" just some random thoughts your vid inspired.

[@ayyappanngr777]

Your cpu and ram is accurate , i always thought about that in my child hood because I'm so slow in exams but it's not visual storage instead it's an idea storage comes up with visual image of that idea. Ni is not doing anything with pictures. I forget people names often but i can remember their faces with the feeling or idea of them - character of them And also this channel is not excellent, he is a troll and don't know how to respect others. And he is totally wrong about a basic thing. Ni is powerful. We are intelligent than most. We focus our thoughts only makes sense but Ti and Ne focus their thoughts like everywhere, waste of energy. I think they are more conscious about how they know something. But we often don't know where does the idea comes from. But it's perfectly logical. And also he doesn't know his own hatred motivates him to speak or make fun of others functions. I know exactly what he feels than he himself - INFJ

[@denismoon3344]

i have hight Ne and Ni and both works like that you are describing, Ni is more inductive, sometimes i get a fact that pulls a lot of things like domino pieces

[@fluxtheory3136]

You are an alien. Sincerely, Si user.

[@Rhodium-tn5dx]

Male INTJ here, This piece of information is brilliant!

[@vxvnw]

Wow so relatable I use Ni-Fe

[@sunchips18]

As an Ni dom myself (INFJ) I found this video very interesting. And some of those early stories were very funny. I suppose from an external view, it really can come across that way. But I do think you’re missing how Ni is actually working (even with the picture at the end.) Note: I’m going to be using “we” here, but you shouldn’t necessarily take this as me speaking for all Ni-users. And it might be better just to substitute any pronoun with a first-person one. 8:54 The reason that this doesn’t matter to us is that it’s kind of…irrelevant to how we process and solve things. We are always going to look at everything as its own unique case. Therefore, the math that we used before isn’t going to matter. You say that there’s a lack of object-permanence in Ni users. I say that’s wrong. A pattern by its very nature is a set of repetitions, no? Chances are, we considered that past outcome, and there’s a decent chance we might try to repeat how we solved it in the past, but there’s too many variables in real life that just come down to absolute chaos, for it to be reliable (or even trustworthy) to try to look for a one-size fits all solution to things. So if we got it right…you just look at what you did wrong, and take that into consideration next time. But this time, the end result was success, so for _this particular event_, us being wrong in our math is irrelevant. That changes nothing. We were still right. 15:30 I find that interesting, because if I saw that something only had a 5% chance of absolute success, I’d discard it immediately. That’s not trustworthy. And I do that with Ni predictions all the time. The thing you might not realize is that (and this might be tied to me using Ti rather than Te), is that we’re not really concerned with being “right” so much as we’re concerned with the truth. A higher meaning. There are plenty of times where I _don’t_ want to be right. Many people might look at me as a pessimist for certain things, but I’d love to be proven wrong. Because I just…don’t like bad things happening. Haha But based on patterns that I’ve seen, this just seems to be the most likely result. I think that’s what separates a mature Ni user from an immature one. We aren’t likely to just outright say “tree equals assassination, and there’s no other truth.” It’s more like “tree is likely to be assassination, prepare for the case that it is, be prepared if it isn’t.” Because you’re _also_ likely to pick up on the pattern that your Ni can be wrong and adjust accordingly. Somewhat paradoxical, but that’s just how it works. 20:45 You don’t. (Not really anyway…) Give up. Get over it. If you’re dealing with a mature Ni user, just give them some counter-points to take into consideration and allow them to make a new Ni prediction. Otherwise… 😬😬😬 You seem to have a belief (I could be wrong) that Ni is something that needs “fixing” in order to work properly. It doesn’t. It just needs room to mature and work the best way it knows how. I will never, ever, ever understand Te fully. But I know people use it, and if it works for them (even if I disagree). I just have to accept it. ー\_(ツ)_/ー

[@ferenccsenkey3343]

If I can add something funny as an intp. I often did a strategy for getting things done like I get a task and then I grind it inside my head with Ti and Ne, si. And this way I often have to work in a case by case basis, I decided to copy my estj mom and do the most simplest solution I can think of no matter how much manual labor it takes to me and try to do that as efficiently as possible as much I can XD. Seems to help with my analysis paralysis.

[@kimberlysoto3490]

Not only can we pick up on the pattern of our Ni being wrong and adjust, but if we look closely we can weigh under which circumstances it seems to be compromised. For example, I now know that I have to employ Ti much more when I’m stressed or highly emotional about a situation. Those tend to compromise my Ni insights and if I don’t watch myself, I can lead myself to a full blown psychotic episode due to paranoia. I, too, tend to be accused of having a need to be right when it is not the case at all. I just know what I feel and what my insights have told me is truth and I’m quite stubborn about it. I used to take this as people straight up lying to me when I knew something was right and ‘they just weren’t fessing up to it’. More recently, I’ve noticed, that this tends to happen when there’s something people haven’t quite discovered about themselves yet or aren’t ready to admit to themselves yet. So it’s not that they’re intentionally lying or withholding information. It is just a blind spot for them at the moment. This is especially true for me when the Ni hunch has to do with complicated or repressed emotions. Have you seen anything related to that in your experience with your use of Ni?

[@bennewt]

brilliant. thank you

[@nateopgenorth4228]

This post is pure gold! Yeah Si/Te types will never understand Ni doms particularly INFJs. And I will never full understand and appreciate Te being Te blind. I notice INTPs send to be the only non Ni users that try and fail to understand (at least to my high degree) Ni which is depressing because they can usually understand literally everything and anything else.

[@NotThatKraken]

Te is like a compulsion to explain things that are hard to understand and a simultaneous compulsion to fix everything that isn’t working right for “the tribe”. If you want to irritate a Te dom, tell them “that isn’t how it works” or “some problems can’t be solved.”

[@MrBOBhakimipendobombies]

One of the biggest growth ive got entering college as an intj is to realise which reasons i use are facts or assumptions. Once u identify them like that, it makes thing more accurate and make me less paranoid.

[@stankimminseo2775]

Do you have any tips on it? As an INTP, my Ni is unconscious, so it gets pretty bad :/

[@vmmm5953]

@@stankimminseo2775 be alone, contemplate nature and meditate/ do boring things volluntarily

You can cure the insanity of the Ni hero with information. We have a very bad memory and manipulate the memories with premonition. So, the Si user are totem of memory for Ni users, we need them for remember. With the time and information the Ni became very exact. Chillingly accurate. ah! I really like the star symbol, I use in many times for design. -INFJ 4x5

[@heathencake9110]

Oh my this is good

@@RaidenShogun.. and MBTI type?

[@OksanaHavryliuk-t7z]

Second this. Our Ni is just super fast logic, which when build on the wrong premises, can make absolutely ridiculous conclusions. So, yep reality checks with Se and good solid education are the cure. Also, we have to be humble and akways keep our Ni in check, don't let it go wild

[@cross-eyedmary6619]

It's soooo frustrating because as an INTP, I don't have many friends. The potential friends that come my way are always INFJs and I have this issue with them over and over, and they all refuse to use MBTI as a framework to discuss differences, so it can never be resolved.

[@SerpentineWisdom]

Bruh...this was an amazingly enlightening video. Really changed my entire perspective on Ni and helped attribute reasons to so many strange things I noticed. I downloaded this app (Ur My Type). And I started talking to a bunch of INTJ's on there. And we got along well since I'm also an xNTx type. And I like intellectual conversations. But I kept noticing that there would ALWAYS be a moment in conversation where they would get damn near accusatory over something that factually is incorrect. It was a whole new level of stubbornness I had never seen and I just grew to not enjoy talking to them at all. I thought it was an INTJ thing. Now I realize it's an Ni thing. Here's an example: I was talking to this INTJ girl. She asked me to explain how Ti works (since my type is high in Ti). I gave her a thorough explanation on how Ti stacks reasons on top of reasons to build a framework and understanding of how everything works. It seeks accuracy, truth, and understanding. It focuses on principles to reach conclusions. If something works but doesn't make sense, Ti will veer away from it. Ti needs to understand it. And Ti often breaks things apart (logically) to understand the details individually and then they comprehend the whole. Very analytical. I gave the example that L from Death Note is an INTP. Her response was "This isn't deduction...this is induction. And L can't be an INTP. He used Te to focus on efficiency. He didn't care about understanding." Even though L's inner monologue is nothing but Ti filtering through different ideas to understand them clearly to see which ones are worth pursuing. But nope. Couldn't change her mind. I just ended that conversation right there cause I knew where this was going considering this pattern kept happening with INTJ's. Another INTJ tried to say my physical appearance was common. My hair is poofy and curly. I have a bunch of piercings on my face. I would wear a head band a lot. I have earrings. And I basically told her "Well...factually my appearance isn't common lmao. You could look up the percentage of people who have each of these individual things and it would be low." Didn't matter to her. She INSISTED I have a very common appearance and typed a massive paragraph about it. And when I didn't wanna argue about something this meaningless she sent an even bigger paragraph explaining how I'm some bad person. 😅 So thank you very much for this video. Truly an eye opener. Explained a lot of incredibly strange encounters I've had with INTJ's. I'm glad I don't use Ni like that. I'm cool with my 6th slot Ni.

[@BeyondSustainableLiving]

The library story is incomplete in its analogy. The reason the Ni dom was not worried about someone jumping out at them is because they took the time to ask why it happened in the first place and realized it happened on the days there was a kids jumping competition at the library. So they know that on days when there is no kids jumping competition, they can relax and study without fear of being startled. Meanwhile the Si user did not notice and read the flyers and dates hanging on the bulletin board while walking into the library or listen to jumping kid parents discussing the event and was therefore unaware of it, so is needlessly worried, which further ruins their experience at the library, making them more vulnerable to fearing other things might happen (which likely won’t).

[@RiftRunnersTCG]

As an NI dom (INTJ), I appreciate getting an outsider's perspective. I found the video really thought provoking. Although it is hard to distinguish between when you are talking about negative stereotypes of NI and your actual thoughts on NI. The perception of NI users is often that they are "guessing," don't use any data, create total non sequiturs, and are practically random. But that isn't actually how NI works, fundamentally. The only "compliment" granted to NI in the video to counter this is basically *"NIs are just constantly guessing at random and those guesses just happen to be really right on rare occasions"* Its hard to tell if that is your actual opinion or if you are still talking about the negative perceptions people have with NI.

[@stephenedwards8480]

While I laughed at everything and understand your frustration (INFJ here), let me offer a simple explanation or frame of thinking about Ni that may help. Ni is actually in a sense, the opposite of fact. There are things that happen in this world that are factual but if you look for things that are 'correct' you'll only be able to see things that are correct. Some things happen in this world that have no fool proof frame of reference. As an INFJ I use my Ni alot with people... and given the nature of emotions, nothing about them are 'correct'. If you try to use fact to predict human emotion there will be areas you can't reach and so on... it just can't be condensed into an equation. Ni is what you use to measure things with no precedence... I'd never use Ni to predict how high the tide rose and why. But when I tell my friend his new gf has a high probability of cheating on him based off of a pattern that's unique to my experiences and brain? I tend to mostly be right. The problem comes from maturity I think. Knowing the probability of you being correct or not and acting accordingly. Essentially not telling people the sky is falling because its Thursday. Stay away from those people 🤣. With my beloved INTP I do a thing called speculation. I give her what my Ni is giving me (in question form) and we brainstorm the possibilities together. Always speculation, never fact and she appreciates it alot.

[@nateopgenorth4228]

Great post. I concur completely. This is why Ni doms and INFJs particularly make great therapists. Si types are too obsessed with categorizing and every Si dom therapist I’ve had has just been outright inferior to the strong Ni or even Ne types.

[@jules5177]

'Ni is what you use to measure things with no precedence' just made this Ne Dom finally understand. Nice.

[@cultivarcultivar]

I wonder if the 5% scarily accurate Ni hypotheses arise out of incidences where their projections happen to coincide with external reality. This may occur when the external reality that the Ni-dom positioned themself in happens to structurally resonate with their subjective inner reality. And their hypotheses are *scarily* accurate because of how detailed and coherent their projections are. Perhaps this is similar to Fi. Fi-doms can be very wrong in their interpretation of another person’s intent, but when the other person is sufficiently like the Fi-dom in personality and values etc., they can be *scarily* accurate because of how detailed and in-depth their projections are.

[@nateopgenorth4228]

Very interesting thought. I’m an INFJ and I’d say so but not to any more real degree than a non Ni user. Trust me I had an Si type therapist who would insist I was projecting whenever I would have scary accurate predictions but most often I truly was not. I tend to think Ni or Si with Fi is gonna project more than Ni with Fe. If anything I don’t project what I do is feel others emotions and have trouble differentiating others from my own at times but not the other way around. Example: If I really like a girl I never assume she likes me based on that alone but if a girl really likes me I often have trouble determining if I like that she likes me ie the vibe she’s giving me or if I genuinely like her back. This is a very common thing I see with high Fe users

[@cultivarcultivar]

@@nateopgenorth4228 Thank you for your comment! I agree that Ni paired with Fi can be highly projective AND confident. The projections by some INTJs can be impenetrable and not responsive to feedback. SFPs too, to a lesser degree. Although I find that Fi-Ne (INFPs) projections can also be pretty rigid and nonresponsive to reality-based feedback.

[@Bobby_101]

Damn right about the stubborn paranoia. When my ENTJ friend accuses me of something bad, there is no evidence that can change his mind on it. And then forecasts how the thing he thinks happened will happen again. Tho my thoughts on Ni dom (as one) would be: 1- Observe a lot of similar, but not the same things. 2- Find the few components that are exactly the same in them. 3- Use the workings of the same components as "core rules" that govern all the similar things. 4- Slowly branch out to find as many things that have these core rules at their base. 5- Try to predict any new thing with the same rules, if that thing has any other similar components to the things that I confirmed are governed by those rules. Basically pattern recognition, then force feeding this pattern onto as many things as we can that are similar. Also because it's extremely satisfying to see it work. And feels like a shortcut to understanding something without actually understanding it. Due to being able to predict it.

[@Itwasnme]

You explained this beautifully, Ni - perspectives. Like in the case of the library, it sees an instance or an event and its manner of attention is to the sequence or cause (Se) and effect of the event, a pattern across time. Ni mains are probably more concerned with he pattern than the cause. Si - files experiences and events. Each individual instance or event is a data point which could form a picture with Ne.

[@eghaine]

I giggled at this vid as an INFP. I was speaking to my ENFJ friend a while back about career dissatisfaction and finding a new path. While we were talking about the same thing, we weren't on the same page since she made an assumption which was incorrect, albeit with the best intentions. She somehow concluded from our conversation that wanting to pursue a more artistic/free route meant I would do better in a design or creative director role and stick to corporate, when all I was alluding to was quitting my job and picking up pottery or something LOL. Small example but it made me realize how proud she looked for "being able to read me so well." It was cute of her but other ENFJs who have projected assumptions on me annoyed me sm. I like what you said about xNFJs doing the same thing as xNTJs but not telling you to your face. You can see them doing it anyways

[@jayce0015]

That's interesting from INTP POV: Two things that caught my attention: 1.) How Ni lacks frame of reference. Unlike Si who had frame of reference from past sensory input, Ni reference is far and on the future unknown which they retrograde from future to the past to explain things. This is why Ni is ridiculous. LOL. 2.) Ni lacks object permanence. I agree only about filtering out nonsense things, or irrelevant datas. Since Ni is a big picture oriented, that doesn't mean Ni lacks object permanence. Ni has already had absolute object permanence but it's so wide that it takes million decade to notice it. That's ridiculous again! ~

[@muhammadedwards8425]

I will say, as an Entj if it's useful, that most people of all types are quite undeveloped compared to their ideal. In terms of this video, like you said at the end, the people in the examples you've made don't use higher form Ni since it sounds like they haven't realised to make use of it's interactions to ti or fi. I have been trying studying this on-and-off for a bit, because I've noticed how different they can be highest to lowest on the scale of development. Also love your vids (yes, yes, feed my genius)

[@Skimmerlit]

Yeah, high-end (or maybe scaffolded) Ni is beyond useful. When you find it, keep that person around or study them.

[@mysimpletoon]

I find it really interesting that some people get offended or think you have negative feelings about certain types. I'd love to hear your thoughts or experiences on what personalities like hearing other people talk about them, be it positive or negative. I think some personalities really crave to be seen or understood and acknowledged, or use that information for self improvement, while others find it insulting or terrifying that other people start looking too closely. I wonder how this shows up in your view counts? I wish there was a way to see what percentage of personality types tend watch these types of videos when they're about themselves. Great video, as always!

[@mysimpletoon]

Now that I think about it, the overwhelming majority of views would actually be heavily slated towards types that are generally interested in personality types to begin with; so I think the data actually wouldn't end up being all that interesting, actually.

[@giomar89]

You’re insights are incredible. I have a question: would you say that in a sort of fucked up way Ni can be a source of confidence? I witnessed a friend who has Ni as her third function determine (without any foundation, at least according to me) that her coworkers X, Y and Z were head over heels about her. She was wrong, and her mistake eventually caught on her. But in the mean time she also did a bunch of things that were beneficial for her (and detrimental for her employer) because “she knew guys X, Y and Z wouldn’t say a thing, because she had them wrapped around her finger.” Could that be a source of, say, ENTJs infamous self-confidence, or INTJs “I am invincible” attitude (at least partially)? The fact that, since they don’t have a frame grounding them, neither do they have a frame limiting them?

[@Skimmerlit]

100%. That's also why being around depressed/mentally ill ones is so harrowing. You can throw a rope down an Si type's pit, but you can't pierce the veil of an Ni type's personal hell.

[@giomar89]

@@Skimmerlit Thanks! Explains a lot

[@Trevolemina]

@@gaving7825 I happened to click on Michael Pierce's video on Kant vs Fichte immediately after this (thanks YT algo). I expected some new insights into philosophy (which I did, no disrespect intended) but what I also got was a case study of Ni in action like this video describes. Especially the part where he tries to pick apart the etymology of the word 'allgemein' (right answer wrong method) Your explanation of misguided Ni mistaking rationality for logic is spot on.

[@intptointp]

I have had many INTJs in my life and yes, my impression is they make wild conclusions from little experiential evidence. It does deeply unsettle me. But a big reason for me is it was because their conclusions were so dark and grim. Incel stuff. Conspiracy theory stuff. And yes, from my perspective it felt like deep tunnel vision and confirmation bias… but they were also functioning citizens. So I am confused.

[@nateopgenorth4228]

I'm an Ni dom and with high Ni being so damn rare I never really get to see what it looks like from the outside but yes it can be unsettling. Idk about the incel stuff but the conspiracy theory stuff is funny because when happens and stops becoming a theory most people are then convinced that the Ni dom is secretly and conciously hidinig details and then they get paranoid when the reality is Ni doms simply cant a lways explain in detail to everyones liking how their subconscious works

[@Crimetales123]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 "what are you talking about and why is that important". Clown shoes. So true

[@BubonicJitters]

I have an NI inner critic, so this video made me laugh. It also really helped. Thank you.

[@snudgegalbraith3447]

Se works towards Ni vision. Ne makes connections of Si nodes of reference. Think of the difference between istp and intp. Istp project what they want to build or craft or do or create with their Ni and then work towards it with Se. Intp fine tune their habits (si) and Feed their "why is this whats going on?" Ti with memory and intuitive connections or possibilities. Istps ask why something is but their perceiving functions mean that they are always trying to do something new i.e always starting from the moment working into the future where intps deepen their routine and habits.

[@valerievankerckhove9325]

That was hilarious, you made us sound like some sort of mad old man spitting nonsense, but suddenly we stare at you and say something so true that you suddenly doubt your conclusion. But then we go mad again. For me Ni is like watching clouds. I point at one and say "Hey that's a dog!" You go "That's a cloud not a dog." I say "Yes it is, there's a tail and a nose!" In fact I made myself a mental health model with a chihuahua representing the amygdala. "See it's small and it barks all the time, on occasion it alerts the other parts of the brain, but if it does so repeatedly everybody goes crazy because it's too loud, see?" Of course the amygdala is not a chihuahua, but once I have that pattern I'm sticking with it.

[@kimberlysoto3490]

As far as correcting our ‘insanity’ I would say over communicate or we WILL jump to conclusions you may not like. More often than not I’ve found that when my Ni insight has been wrong, it’s because I don’t have the right information or incomplete information to plug into the formula. Because honestly, sometimes it feels a lot like math for me, you plug in the right numbers, you get the truth, any deviation or obscurity in those numbers and your result will have the same. The problem is not the process, it’s the information (coming in or being let in). Also, over communication can help avoiding getting the gears started in the first place, or at least them going in an incorrect/negative direction.

[@SS-bu8ez]

Why don't you just verify? Find out if it's true. You know what they say about assumptions...

[@ntsomewhere885]

And here I've been working with the theory (probably more from socionics than beebe's 8-function model or mbti in general) that Ni would be very familiar to an intp because it is the flip side of its Ne tool function. I've been trying to find examples "in the wild" of how people use their tool function, both sides (attitudes) of it, to support their dominant function focus, which would result in an observable use of both a use of Ne to encourage further exploration and Ni to set the critical limits in a manner where someone could observe an intp, for example, become as forceful as they possibly can when they finally, in a moment of exasperation, get to a point (a workaround to compensate for their lack of Se physical impact in the moment. But you seem to be saying not only that Ni's "overly" distilled and sort of "extrapolated out of nowhere" conclusion irritates you, but does so in a manner that seems outside your own toolbox, or tool function (which, again, I've been working with as a tool function exposing both attitudes of said tool function--for you, an intp, that would be an observable use of Ne and Ni. Am I making this sh*t up?

[@ello8842]

Your channel is very interesting, looking forward to watching your other videos. Honestly though, the only time I use Ni that way is when I overthink about how people think about me. Ni has really helped me or I guess because I'm biased to it XD. I JUST LOVE IT. I always plan ahead, so if you ask me a deep question, most likely I will only think because I want to double check how I thought of it. I also agree how you said that we always think there are meanings behind things, like every subtle sign for me could be behind something. I see Ni more like this. Si sticks little sticky notes on a certain thing, so like you said, a frame of reference. But this applies to their experiences. While Ni is having a certain thing then carving it out so sharply that you're sure it'll do something, even when it might not be used for the future because you can only use it sometimes. Though this applies on thoughts. I once thought I was an ISFJ because I always backread every message so often, I also think about a conversation I had upto many months depending on its importance to me. But I realize I never really focused on what I experienced, I focused on what I thought of during it happened. So like if I try to recall something really far behind, I just recall what I was thinking about while recalling it before. Basically having a memory of a memory XD. I realize as I think of every thing I experienced, all I could remember is what I was thinking during that time, and then building up what I think was going on during that time. So, Ni is kinda like memory? But not what you think of. For me, intentions are everything, so I think that logic also applies to how I think if something bad happened that was caused by someone. What they were thinking of during that time, is a needed piece of information. Oh and yes, I do think of Ne that way, sorry guys 💀 -INFJ

[@SS-bu8ez]

That's not memory. If what you thought was incorrect then going forward you are basing something on an incorrect assumption not actual facts.

[@ello8842]

@@SS-bu8ez, hahahha might've been...though I don't see Ni nor Si as memory, the instance I just gave with Ni may seem like I'm implying it's also memory like Si, but I really am just saying that our memory may look like floating thoughts, unlike Si, certain experiences sticking to certain objects in physical and not physical terms. Ni doms are still capable of having certain experiences sticking to certain things, just that they are less likely. What I really do see Ni as is getting ideas out of nowhere, the aha moments as people call it, then seeing it's worth in your system of concepts, if it is fit, Ni will sharpen it do much and give many time to it. It IS just my assumption, or theory, as is the whole system of cognitive functions, except it was built by a popular, certified psychologist. I was just giving my ideas to the channel of how I see Ni as an Ni dom.

[@SS-bu8ez]

@@ello8842 You mean like memory totems? Isn't that Se?

[@ello8842]

@@SS-bu8ez what do you mean by memory totems?

[@SS-bu8ez]

@@ello8842 Se-Ni creates memory totems. If they see a specific location, person, object it reminds them of certain memories which they can't access otherwise. For example creating a memory based on the taste of the food rather than the sequence of events that happened as is like Si does.

[@wwizer]

When I use Ni. I use it to imagine a scenario I will probably take. I use it to cast what a scenario PROBABLY will look like. It’s not necessarily about being right. It’s about making a probably projection before putting in Te work to get there. If the idea is a personal identity, then we can try to attempt to Te-Se bulldoze our way towards that vision (bad math) aka any means necessary. Here’s an example: I googled projections of high paying jobs for the future that would give me the best return on investment. (Ni projection on my future outcome). This search result resulted in me choosing to major in computer science. I wasn’t certain that software engineering would be lucrative in the future but there was a good probability that it would. I didn’t even know what software engineering was. I wasn’t sure I was smart enough or dedicated enough to make it through engineering school. So I went and Te-Se made it happen by any means necessary. I do know other Ni users who seem very crazy and when they finally realize their vision failed them, they can go into a crazy state. Ni can pivot their vision even if it’s a very painful process. -entj

[@Skimmerlit]

How has computer science turned out for in reality compared against your vision? How did you/do you feel about your study or work knowing you’re more passionate about the return on investment than you are in the work itself?

[@wwizer]

@@Skimmerlit software engineering has turned out better than expected due to work from home going from being a luxury to becoming a prerequisite for my industry post Covid. This allows me to free up my day, reduce risk (commuting), and save money in gas. The extra time and compensation grants me freedom relative to other hypothetical career paths to pursue hobbies and activities. The work from home also allows me more flexibility to work from wherever city I want.

[@Skimmerlit]

I’ve been thinking about what you wrote. When you’re throwing yourself into a new career, how do you make peace with yourself knowing your work won’t be perfect in the beginning?

[@wwizer]

@@Skimmerlit my career is like any other trade skill. No one comes into a trade perfect. Gotta build up skills & experience

[@wwizer]

@@Skimmerlit my career is like any other trade skill. No one comes into a trade perfect. Gotta build up skills & experience

[@BeyondSustainableLiving]

FIRST of all, for you to say that 95% of the time Ni is wrong and is only right 5% of the time, is ludicrous. I’d say it’s more like correct 80-95% of the time (depending on your age and maturity and how often someone resides in their shadow). Of course there are going to be ridiculous mistakes made by some Ni users on occasion, especially by those who have some mental illness or other problems (which seems to be a pattern for people in your life). This happens for all functions, you’ll have people who mess it up from time-to-time. Remember, we’re using Ni in every moment, all day every day. If it was so faulty, our lives would be in shambles, if we could even manage to stay alive (based on your interpretation of the function). You’re seeing the rare moment it makes a mistake and extrapolating that to all Ni perception. C’mon, you’re smarter than that. If it’s so wrong, we’d be dead, certainly not successful in life, which most of us are. You clearly have some major gaps in your understanding of Ni/Se. 56 yo INTJ female here. The important thing you don’t realize is just how much our Se works in the background creating a frame of reference (which I call a scaffolding) for our Ni to use. It’s not like we’re pulling stuff out our a$$ when we make a prediction. My Se is inferior but it’s very strong in the passive sense (not so much active sense obviously) so I’m consciously and constantly aware of data in the real world coming from that Se, so that experience builds up over time to allow is to make some pretty accurate predictions with our Ni. In fact I’d venture to say our Se in that spot works the same way patterns slowly reveal themselves to Si doms in how they eventually come to see “intuitions” after accumulating so much Si data over time. Se works like that for us but in reverse. Think of it like an iterative approach to software development, which is now best practice over the once preferred waterfall method (which is analogous to Ti/Si building up piece by piece) I might add. We iterate via action (Se) data which is real-world fodder for our Ni.

[@LittleMew133]

The whole "cannot accept reality or that you suck" is also a high Ne thing. They will (mostly subconsciously) create a whole elaborate fairytale to blame everyone else but themselves. Because they want to believe that they are beautiful and perfect, and loved by everyone (don't we all?). Even when people directly and blatantly tell that what is wrong about the situation and how to resolve the issue, they refuse to believe in reality, but default back to their Ne fairyland fantasy. That's why they appear so child-like, because they can make the same mistake over and over but with just slightly different contexts, and it literally never registers in their brain. They never ask themselves "am I the common denominator in all of these sheet shows?".

[@vxvnw]

Subscribed. I like Ti doms and the way they articulate things

[@ayh108]

What you're describing isn't Ni, it's Ne-Nemesis, which is an instance of the Ni-Ne cognitive axis whereby the latter feeds into the former and causes them to try and anticipate or predict multiple future trajectories via conjecture based on paranoia and/or fear. Also, sometimes it's due to their need to instill things with meaning in order to relieve themselves of the discomfort of "not knowing" the intentions or meaning behind something, regardless of whether or not their conclusions are true. They can feel okay with a fabricated but rational conclusion, which they prefer over sitting with the discomfort of not knowing at all, so long as it has a legitimate chain of logic/rationale and seems to make sense.

[@whoami2654]

Ni, deeper understanding of world full of obviousness.

[@fredrikdippel3664]

If you have underdeveloped Te or Ti then I would assume it could manifest like that. Otherwise Ni would be checked by it.

[@BeyondSustainableLiving]

The reason Ni evolved as a stable function in the human is because someone had to keep people alive in those instances where new, unfamiliar or fast-paced things were happening. For example, let’s say there is a big boulder that’s always been a safe place to walk around; so, Si user is approaching it, in their own little world, as if it were safe. Meanwhile, the Ni user has detected Se details (a patch of fur on the ground, an odor of tiger pheromones wafting up, an rustle of gravel noise coming from behind the boulder, etc.) and instantly, in a flash, realizes there is a lion behind that boulder and grabs the arm of the Si user to stop him from walking into danger and they slowly back away. This is how it works for us. I may be an INTJ with inferior Se but I can still navigate through traffic incredibly easily and quickly, around cars, zipping in and around them never coming close to a collision, because I’m tracking all the sensory in the moment, what all the cars are doing and am able to predict their likelihood of darting in front of me, or not, based on how they’ve been driving. SeNi allows us to see around corners, to predict based on legitimate data and patterns. Dismiss that at your peril.

[@VF81-q5j]

Possible explanations for the library screamer: 1) Personal entertainment derived from startling people. This motivation is more common in younger children. 2) Some kind of dare or bet. This motivation is more common in adolescents and young adults. 3) Disconnect from reality coupled with agitation. This motivation is more common among people with serious mental illness. These are the three most likely explanations according to the relevant (to this situation) SE data I’ve collected thus far in my life. It’s important for me to be able to roughly/quickly assess the odds here (I’d go with age, appearance, and location of the library as the main heuristics) because explanation number 3 might be dangerous, and require further attention or action on my part. This assessment of the situation would happen within a second. If I determine explanation 1 or 2 is most likely, I’d quickly forget about the incident as no further thought or action is needed. If I land on 3, I’m either leaving the area or keeping a close eye on the screamer. If it seems to be some other motivation entirely, I may or may not analyze the situation further. Mostly it would depend on whether I found the incident more interesting than what I was reading. This is how my Ni/Te works.

[@SantanaBanana47]

This makes sense. Ne is all about possibilities, so Ni is like more singular 1 possibility. I know an istp who jumps to conclusions all the time. His Ne is so low, he doesn't really have an understanding of possibilities, and his Ni is just high enough for him to jump to a conclusion based on barely anything. Without even considering alternative possibilities like a higher Ne type. Its interesting how Ne types always get a bad wrap for being these head in the clouds conspiracy theorists, yet Ni users kinda do the same thing, but the complete opposite way.

[@grazynawolska8160]

Yes, Ni in young people is lose. Not enough data (Se observation) to draw conclusions but the imperative to make Ni decisions is there as Ni dom. It gets better over time as we get older thank God. NI and SI are best shown in history class. The Si istj write history essay like a laundry list of facts. Just fact after fact, date after date.... all disconnected without any connection. When an Ni intj writes a history essay, it's lose of the facts (especially dates) but the Ni user writes a narrative that's strong on a story.... how did this historical story happen? What were the causes? What were the results? Ni contructs a story. Si collects and spits out data without meaning like Ni, which looks for meaning.

[@SS-bu8ez]

Si has Ne to connect the dots. It's not disjointed images like Ni. It depicts a full picture.

[@sash8099]

Is this why Napolean deicided to wage war on Russia and completely screwed himself over?

[@RiftRunnersTCG]

When it comes to data, there is a perception or stereotype that NI doms have this massive separation between external data and their internal world. But this isn't entirely accurate. The internal world of an NI user is inevitably built upon data they have taken in. The imagination and the subconscious don't exist in a vacuum. NI users just prefers to use their energy boiling down currently held data and organizing it into a comprehensible system, rather than amassing more data. We much prefer to spend time extracting patterns, principles, and predictions from data. Yes, these are concepts that don't "exist" objectively in the real world, and can sometimes be inaccurate. But in order to do any of this, there has to be *some* data to work with. NI users are still often working with a substantial library of knowledge, which is informing and updating their web of associations and assumptions. Its just that collecting that knowledge isn't the part that we enjoy or spend the most time on. We don't feel as engaged by that part and we admittedly neglect it sometimes.

[@vxvnw]

Long math. I dont do long math. That's it, that most of your Ni Obsessed with something ... yes actually that makes sense. Also our memory is very crappy. We dont remember half of our past because it wasn't really important. Even the important things you don't exactly remember it in details, you remember it in the impression it formed on you and that impression involves the why and how mainly behind the situation.

[@TheBookgeek7]

So... this is MY best reply, after thinking this one through for several days. I'm using Dave Powers' Objective Personality System (OPS) and some of my own speculations & thoughts... so, take this for what it's worth. Also, I think that I'm an Ni/Se type myself... though, could be wrong about that- so... take my thoughts with an even BIGGER grain of salt! In OPS, BOTH Ni & Si could be taken to have... sorts of Frames around them- that is: tiny, tidy collections of data that the individual has personally gathered, and that is now very easy to control... until the world spins OUT of control (in which case: panic!); it's just that Si has a frame around... physical and practical information, while Ni has it's frame around... let's call it "Metaphysical Information"- though that's rather vague. Anyway: take, for example, Skimmerlit's ENTJ female monarchist: she knows that colleges these days tend to be very Leftist- or something like that- and that's her Metaphysical Frame of Reference. If she would just shift it over for a moment- see that there are other interpretations for this situation than "Leftist Professor hates Right-wing student"- or, I don't know, just keep gathering information BEFORE you come up with a theory to interpret it- that would be great. You see the idea. I would suppose that Ni/Se can get exasperated... or at least a little bemused by the neat, weird places it finds Si putting IT'S Frames of Reference as well. For example... and I don't want to get too personal here, so... let me say that I know an Si Dom who's ALWAYS exasperated by his...let's say, "widgets" failing- despite the fact that it FREQUENTLY happens, and he knows how to deal with it! (Ok, there's extenuating circumstances: he has limited time to... enjoy his Widgets on these occasions, but still!) I think, somehow, this fits in. Like, I can put this situation- when I'm trying to enjoy his WIdget wth him- easily in my Ni Frame as "Thing that frequently happens and that we can deal with", whereas, my Si Dom dude has it: "Thing that interrupts my Si traditions." It's the same as in the library - at the beginning of this video- I think: it's not that Ni doesn't have this craziness as part of his Reference Frame, it's just that... now that it's a part of his Reference Frame, he's cool w/ it. I think. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Skimmerlit's wrong. Regardless, though, this is very interesting video! Very interesting and suggestive ideas.

[@haseebjaved2516]

I’m confused by your explanation of NTJ AND NFJ at 19:30. Can you give an example please?

[@ELY3358]

A mature Ni user that can tap well into SE and TE…oooof.

[@onimusha13]

I think what you mean by lack of frame of reference in the Ni-mind is kind of a frame of reference of itself. It's just that the frame of reference is always morphing and shifting because intuition duh. But there is a frame of reference, seriously. Many NJs have a "vision" or "meaning, although it's also a stereotype. Untrue in some cases but true in many. And the point of this is that you have the cake and eat it - at least for me. I never have a system, it's always morphing, and I have no problem with shifting a frame of anything I'm referencing with something new - even if it holds at the end of the day to my ultimate meaning. And the reason Ni types may seem like they disregard that "fact" you mention is because Ni has probably accounted for it, or will account for it, and somehow make it work in their imagination congruent with anything else they've already worked up inside their minds. It's just that most of this happens behind the scenes, and many Ni users can't explain that themselves if they don't teach themselves to be mindful and actually observe those patterns inside their mind. Curiously INFJs and ISTPs have some of the best talent for that because Ni naturally works in tandem with Ti, so you actually have observing thought patterns and noticing similarities. But even more curiously it makes that a double edged sword because some of the biggest delusional people you'll ever meet are exactly Ni-Ti ego types. Or realistic if they learned to wield that sword. As I said it's double edged. xNTJs on the other hand - yes. They don't really connect thought patterns inside their hands and rely sometimes solely on abstract imagination of some far-shooted archetypes - and they push through life. It may be overwhelming. Great video again.

[@user-qr6eb4jg9n]

The entire point of Ni is being predictive. That literally means starting with a frame of reference and building likely theoretical future frames of reference from it. He thinks Ni users have no frame of reference because as an Si user he requires his frames to actually occur in real life. Rather than to be predicted in the subconscious mind.

[@_Thunderball_]

You're describing Ne not Ni: Ni doesnt care about why others do anything, it only cares about the user. So an INTJ would try to figure out why this just happened and will start preparing what to do incase it happens again. If something reminds them about this later they might wonder if they themselves would do it, but it's not an immediate reaction.

[@letsreadtextbook1687]

as an INFP with INTJ friend, I can relate

[@upstartfenix]

Lmao coded messages. Entj here, love it.

[@Dima-kc6xr]

One recent example of this is Michael Burry (who I believe is an INTJ?). He has a twitter account and a year ago he was getting increasingly convinced that trhe stock market was going to crash big time soon. Mostly giving cryptic hints and occasionaly pointing at pieces of tangential evidence. At one point he tweets SELL. Nothing happens, the stocks climb up and up and up. He deletes his account (for the n-th time), then comes back and apologizes for the tweet. Surely, many believers have acted on it. The man hasn't been twitting regularly since.

[@pinqfriday2490]

I love the water in the bg

[@girlblogger3524]

enfps are a fave - but yeah this is very observant and helpful... I think I had experience with these things...

[@nex9388]

Remember when you said INTJs leave a bit of themselves in their work. Well, now your description of Ni can be seen in Tesla's self driving AI, so does this make the Tesla an INTJ :D -ENTP In case anyone wants context. The AI uses mathematical algorithms and a data set of pictures and I imagine road laws to predict driving conditions. It's predictions are based on its data. Sounds like Ni to me.

[@grazynawolska8160]

Yes, that would be Ni put to mechanical use by some tricky intj because that's how we function and it makes sense to us, and afterall God made man in his own image, so did the intj, by making their ai creation in his own image as well! 😉 - intj

[@nex9388]

God would be INTJ, wouldn't (s)he :D

[@grazynawolska8160]

@@nex9388if you mean lonely jerk with a huge ego that is all knowing, than absolutely lol. I'm just kidding. As far as I can tell God is too complex to comprehend with our limited existence and monkey brain and senses. It's like reading Weird Horror (a type of horror) where the monster is just too large and omnipresent, and difficult to understand. I guess kinda like an intj as well! Haha 😄😄😄 -intj

[@retrogradepink]

this was hilarious, and quite accurate. -INFJ female

[@EllPhante]

In the jumping out at the library, i would wonder if it would happen again and look for signs it would but I would not assume it would, the world is ever changing. I am very attuned in/to the world and do have a functioning memory like the majority of people do. I believe I am an infj. I snorted in laughter at a mcdonalds when you sounded so disturbed by infj thought 😂 BUT after a car crash, even if in some part of my mind im wondering wo makes clown pants, im reacting appropriately and well to injuries and survival and clean up. Maybe Im a more Se focused and intelligent infj. Maybe youve only met low iq ones?

[@superioropinion7116]

This sounds ridiculous to me tbh,how could you possibly get by in this world without a frame of reference?

[@sunchips18]

You can’t. Everyone uses frames of reference. But that frame of reference for an Ni user isn’t _necessarily_ based on lived experiences or past events, but patterns and info that they’ve gained over time. So, to an Si user, it can appear as if we’re pulling things out of nowhere, when in fact, we aren’t.

[@heathencake9110]

This was fucking hilarious

[@camilla.callow8]

Roulette.

[@ChaosBetwenEchos]

You got meeeee

[@ScarObviously]

I like your explanation very much, it helped me to solve the mistype I got on the first place (INTP but actually an INTJ, I guess) Coul you make a video about how Ni feels like?

[@Skimmerlit]

I don’t know how Ni feels. Apologies.

[@cainwilson8564]

Thankfully I was raised by an INFJ with fantastic Si. 😅

[@jungianbreakdown1990]

Good Job

[@ayyappanngr777]

You know nothing about Ni - i can learn about your all talking.. Ni is a rational perceiving function but si is a value system.. Ti - you are wasting your ti energy into lots of unwanted paths as an INFJ i have explainations for all i know or say i have 100 logic why I'm did this.. not story

[@GB_i25]

i don’t like the intro. sentence ..

[@mayareslam5750]

But it came across as shitting on ni function lol -entp- Btw are you an si type or ti ?