How powerful is the People's Liberation Army? | Chinese Whispers | SpectatorTV

[@slawekra4822]

The US army is also political. If I recall correctly they have diversity courses and plenty of LGBT propaganda.

[@charr6108]

CCP -> Blackrock -> ESG -> Companies gone woke -> social media gone woke -> many people gone woke -> government policies gone woke -> soldiers gone rogue ok now, how to reverse this so that our country will not be undermined anymore?

[@regencyrow1867]

Indeed, all Western militaries have dropped their physical standards substantially as a result of too many women failing them. The body politic want more female soldiers for ideological reasons, even if that means severly degrading capability. On top of that, there's also the identitarianism where people get mentored or promoted based on immutable characteristics such as race. All of this is being done in the name of Intersectional Marxism, so yeah, both East and West do have armies that are making operating decisions primarily based on ideology not capability.

[@Trevor_Austin]

One of these Chinese’s problem is centralised control with lack of delegation. Efficient, lethal armed forces are run by well informed NCO’s who have the ability to react to the situation in front of them.

[@julianshepherd2038]

They've been working on that since 2015. Chinese are usually v fast learners.

[@Trevor_Austin]

@@julianshepherd2038 I totally agree.

[@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022]

It is often repeated PLA is overly centralised, but they actually have the opposite problem. They're too decentralized, remember, how did the PLA start off as? As a group of guerillas operating hundreds of miles apart from each other in hostile territory with little communication between them, so it was a given that they'd be overly decentralized when they finally came under one umbrella. In Korea, for example, many of the Chinese failures stemmed from the fact that Commanding Officers made offensives on their own initiative with little communication with other COs in the area resulting in very very little cooperation and ultimately a disconnected war effort. It almost mirrors the failure of the German Army in WW1 where the two leading generals advancing with Prussian style high command autonomy near Paris in 1914 failed to communicate properly and ended up getting an Entente army jammed between the two and defeated at the Marne.

[@tonypeterson5316]

Actually no, one of China's main advantages is being "centralized". There's only one party in China, so they don't have to fight each other like most democratic country do. Can u imagine if a company has two executive teams fighting each other for power? I'm pretty sure that company wouldn't last very long. Also, RAND is a pro US think tank, so obviously this guy's gonna talk BS.

[@bathhatingcat8626]

@@Trevor_Austin did you hear about how they share their 13 year old daughters with superiors for promotion?

[@tonypeterson5316]

How is Russian army performing "bad" if they've already taken over most of the eastern and southern part of Ukraine in less than 3 months?

[@JCdental]

well, the casualties, material loss, the VDV is just, gone, they aren't having a good time

[@tonypeterson5316]

@@JCdental Same with Ukraine.....It's a war, of course both side will have loses.

[@DS9TREK]

They failed in the majority of objectives. If you have 10 jobs to do and you only achieve 2 of them you're doing badly.

[@tonypeterson5316]

@@DS9TREK What were the 10 objectives then? Can u explain? Are u getting all ur infos from the mainstream media(propaganda)?

[@mikeandersson7962]

@@DS9TREK , american has 3 jobs to do and he fails them all. What worst he had already spend a trillions dollar and decades on doing his jobs till these days. Lol

[@redhatter94]

These are always interesting, thanks for making them.

[@Faust64]

Good episode, always appreciate the spectator adding more foreign affairs and international relations into the mix

[@royjacobs1204]

A huge number of troops are in barracks within cities, they are there for civilian control in the event of protests. Very few are well trained war fighters.

[@mikegray8776]

I enjoy these conversations enormously. Both educational and interesting. The guests almost always appear open and honest in their offerings, and Cindy Yu is developing into one of the very best current affairs presenters in UK broadcasting. Please keep these conversations coming, as they seem now to be very much valued by an increasing proportion of your base Spectator TV audience.

[@tonygold1661]

Cindy Yu asks great questions. She gets to the heart of the matter. A very interesting discussion.

[@roc7880]

The last time they saw real battle Chinese army faced the Vietnamese military full of Vietcong vets.

[@AAAAAA-tj1nq]

@roc Chinese military storm to vietnam capital outskirt. also Chinese navy kicked vietnamese navy in 1970s. and Chinese soldiers beaten indians in galwan. dozens of indians captured and blindfolded

[@Utube1024]

Most vietcong vets are trained by the PLA during the war with US. Many GIs died while looking for VC in the tunnels. How stupid of them. China just filled the tunnel with water to flushed them out....LOL

[@roc7880]

@@Utube1024 not sure if you were right so I cannot contradict you. But remember that PLA vets who were in war in Korea are very old while there might be still active officers in NVA who saw action in Saigon in 74. And institutional memory counts

[@Mitjitsu]

Their army is based on quelling unrest. Not fighting wars with foreign armies. Their ineptness will be on full display should the time to prove that ever come.

[@evechurchill424]

Great, in that case there is nothing to worry about.

[@ismeyo5146]

If that the case, us can withdrawal from vassal japan and korea...lol

[@woodrowbarstad4549]

incredibly informative well balanced knowledgeable guests , historical , political perspective ....thank you keep on informing

[@pearl1606]

Peasant, ideological armies (like the Vietcong and PLA) are extremely formidable. They express the will of the Party. The liberalism of the West cannot express the fanatical will of anyone. Whatever unified will used to exist collapsed a long time ago.

[@mikeandersson7962]

They truly die for their Motherland, americans die for deep state oligarchs and european die for american.

[@pearl1606]

@Phil No doubt. But professional armies are sustained by the political will of their masters. Ideological armies embody the will itself of The Party. This is an utterly alien concept for any professional (liberal democratic) army.

[@pearl1606]

@Phil i' m sure all you say is true. But not relevant. Ideology is something entirely different. The book I found helpful here is Kenneth Minogue' s 'Alien Power's which is the best account (in English) of what ideology is. No one can hope to understand the subject without studying it - rather like Marxism.

[@petermclelland278]

@Phil Western armies haven't fought a war against an equal peer group military opponent since WW2 ?

[@mpersad]

Excellent guests, and analysis. I learnt a lot.

[@danieldecides7894]

An interesting debate with an exceptional host who is extremely impressive I must say. By equal measure I thought Timothy Heath was fascinating and I believe that the discussion was in one particular way important - the issue of strengthens and weaknesses with view to Russia and China in the military sense. I think it was rightfully mentioned that infiltration cuts both ways and espionage and we don’t really hear that so much in other media debates (if they even meaningfully occur) - which is why that highlighting of the issue really stuck out. I also think that it was interesting that the implication was that when China decides to utilise its military as opposed to if China does - that in itself tells us something. Finally, I thought immediately what Cindy retorted to Timothy with regard to the excursion abroad militarily being distracting to the home array of issues. I thought Timothy outlines a strong counter argument but I must say that if you imagine you are the Chinese (insofar as strategically surveying the broader geo-political landscape right now) - well, I think that they might look around and see ‘we’ the west have profound issues ourselves (not least economically) - which raises the question of whether they would in fact fancy their chances of pinching a few islands or whatever else they fancy. Fundamentally, why are they (Chinese) investing so much time, effort, money and personnel into their military capabilities if not to utilise them - the issue is when not if!!! Cindy is so tremendously great!!!

[@surfboy344]

An interesting video and thank you for doing it. Many questions arise: 1. Does the PLA have a career professional NCO corps that trains and disciplines the conscripts and new recruits. 2. What level of training and tactical proficiency do the individual soldiers and units achieve? What is their training program like? 3. Logistics- Can the PLA sustain a long term conflict and is their logistical force sufficient to support the units in sustained combat? 4. Corruption - this problem is not just systemic, it is pandemic in their government at all levels. The purchase of promotions makes their entire officer's Corp suspect as to their leadership skills and tactical proficiency. Finally, are the rumors true concerning the movement of 38th Army units to Beijing for the party congress?

[@heavenbright2342]

I'd advise reading the Gilded Age for insights into Chinese corruption. Corruption in China is quite different. It isn't something that eats away at efficiency but adds to it. China basically weaponized corruption.

[@jcnigado1424]

WHOA! MR. TIM IS A TYPICAL U.S./ WESTERN MOUTHPIECE. Aum... 😎🙏🕺🐒🤸‍♀️🤣

[@johnhaynes9910]

An interesting conversation Cindy.

[@thecfbutcher1174]

One thing's for certain, 1 English man could take on 4 Chinese men with his fists.

[@ant4616]

I do love how people are using the Ukraine War as comparison when they forget that history is replete with much more modern armies getting defeated in a protracted war, so Russian performance in Ukraine should not even be a surprise, first off numerically the Ukrainians are not inferior, next the Ukraine military tech they are getting is on par with what the Russian have, and they are well entrenched making it impossible for Russia to take Kiev at all. So Russia is now pulling back their forces and refocusing on areas where they have secure supply lines and safe access, in short the war has turned into one of attrition, but one where Ukraine will ultimately lose large chunks of it's territory in the South and East, for all the Russian failings, and all their failures you read on the news, the fact do not change that Russia have entrenched themselves in larger potion of Ukrainian territory and are very unlikely to be dislodged and will claim victory by annexing large potion of Ukrainian territory.

[@davidmoss2576]

No war is without cost in blood and treasures. This war however has shown Western media propaganda on a scale never seen before. They make outrageous claims of massive Russian loses without providing any evidence. Ever since the first week or two of the invasion I haven't seen many videos of Russian losses. The US is printing Ukrainian government claims of victory without any vetting. Meanwhile they remain silent on Ukrainian loses. They went so far as calling Ukrainian soldiers surrendering "evacuation". This is as low as I've ever seen Western media

[@Utube1024]

Most US military that have fought many wars are now dead or injured veterans. This new batch are the same like China without war experience. At least PLA are more discipline and they have a core interest if and when they unite Taiwan.

[@julianshepherd2038]

China 43 years without a war. USA looks more belligerent to me.

[@kaunhai4512]

They have attacked India many times. They have been repelled. So they are now using Pakistan to do the job for them. They have taken over Japanese and phillipino islands

[@scifigeezer5271]

They're too busy killing their own.

[@samb2052]

Except for their treatment of their own population, particularly the Uighurs.

[@cuongtu7772]

​@@kaunhai4512 lol why lie?

[@Utube1024]

@@kaunhai4512 India lost over 20 men during un-armed combat crying father and mother letting the whole world know...LOL.

[@buildmotosykletist1987]

Solomon Islands is a problem right now.

[@porkyl0095]

Juste assez fort pour inquièter les gendarmes du monde. La chine ne va pas les laisser faire, la Chine a bien raison.

[@vbin9081]

Who's here because the arrest of Chinese president?

[@derekmcmanus8615]

When was the last time the Chinese PLA fought an actual war?

[@liubang9375]

Is US army answering to the people of USA or answering to US military industrial complex ?? Therefore don't waste time making unrealistic comparison as I suggest US should send their army to station in Taiwan if they dare and we see who can fight ..

[@DS9TREK]

Neither. The US army answers to the potus

[@gilllondon8617]

Fascinating stuff

[@VokeVideo]

Great channel.

[@prattlee3636]

A copy cat can not be a real cat.

[@mgronich948]

Interesting comments but some significant misunderstandings. When Russia took over Crimea the Russian troops were welcomed a liberators. But in western Ukraine, there was a large anti-Russian and even neoNazi population. And between 2014 and 2022, the CIA and US army rebuilt the Ukrainian army from the ground up. Ukraine elected a Russian leaning president before the 2014 coup. Immediately after 2014 the Ukrainian army was in horrible shape where many in the army refused to shoot at the rebels in the Donbass for exactly the same reason the Russian troops were reluctant to fight in Ukraine. But in the 8 years since 2014, the CIA helped the Ukrainian army get rid of all the Russia sympathizers and multiple the neoNazi groups dominated the Ukrainian armed forces. Currently there is no equivalent group of neoNazi's in Taiwan. The other thing about China invasion of Taiwan is, why would China invade. For example, if the US convinced the Govt of Taiwan to let US locate medium range missiles in Taiwan that can hit Chinese cities. Basically the US repeating what it did in Ukraine to "provoke" Russia to attack. It's not clear China would invade but if there were for examples demonstrations in Taiwan against the deployment of US offensive missiles and China used that as a pretext to invade, the PLA troops would not have a morale problem in attacking. The US is actively trying to persuade the Taiwanese government to be do have offensive missiles. But right now there is no threat to China's cities from Taiwan but if China invaded anyway the PLA troops may have a morale problem. But in the event of US putting offensive missiles into Taiwan, this might trigger a naval blockade and a US-China confrontation rather than a Taiwan - China confrontation.

[@mikeandersson7962]

China doesn't need to invade taiwan to unify chinas, thats why american need to arm the anti-Beijing forces, coz american know he can't play well and win the battle without his or only his mind.

[@surfboy344]

What offensive missile systems did we offer Ukraine that provoked Russia?

[@mikeandersson7962]

@@surfboy344 , it doesn't need any missiles to make provocation from american. Only american's words can make nations insecure.

[@robertsim4603]

Is there a purpose for this forum? The information of the strength and budget allocation of the PLA toward their war equipment only reveal the readiness and ability of the Xi's regime to gain confidence to overtake the USA's military strength. Unfortunately everyone who had been following what has happened over the last 5 decades that wars were easily triggered by misguided confidence and policies. So many countries had been badly affected and millions of innocent lives had been unnecessary lost. Will the advancement of China's military power tempt China to be an aggressor instead of what Xi's claim for strengthening self defence? He did choose to enlarge China's territory beyond the historical and globally accepted boundaries. eg. the South China Sea which affected several other sovereign nations that held onto those seas fronting their shores. These nations are small and do not have military strengths to resist any form of incursions by a large aggressive power. Taiwan comes into focus. Communist China claims ownership of that territory ,which unfortunately can be challenged! Taiwan (Formosa had never been governed by the CCP) Historically, the Communist Party can never can claim its rule because there was never an election by the majority of the Chinese. CCP gained control only by coersion and unfair tactics of cruel punishment for non conformaty. The danger and reality exist as Xi's Maoist ambitions grow larger. With military power comes unpredictable consequence.

[@mistycloud4455]

A.G.I Will be man's last invention

[@julianshepherd2038]

I'm going to guess before I watch. Judging on membership and past advice, I'd say they think there is a major threat and more money must be spent on the military industrial complex.

[@evechurchill424]

You can tell as soon as these western sponsored channel appears, there is at least 90% probabiiity of bias. When the employ a chinese person to host, you know they are full on anti china. On the one hand China has a large army so it is threat, on the other, they seems to suggest they are cheap and poor quality, therefore poses no threats. It normally bounces between the 2. Yet, we in the west have engaged in more wars than any other dictatorships. The they talk about corruption, how China is highly corrupt, forgetting that we are just as bad with our partygate, fiddling the aide (hancockgate), porngate, and more recently a British MP in the middle of rapagate! Our ability to lecture never fails to amaze me.

[@cuongtu7772]

omg WHO old is this chinese former pla soldier. he know nothing about current pla

[@earthredalert]

It's likely mostly for show. Like a lot of things in China.

[@tomsuh1362]

This chinese guy with the terrible accent only point out all of teh negative of the PLA. Is he been paid as pro-taiwan?

[@abrahamdecruz5128]

You will only know when you take them on. It's not about the arms but the motivation of the fighters. Kuomintang was more powerful, the Red Army won. American and the South had better arms than Kim Il Sung, yet the North won. USA had better weapons than Vietnam but the Vietnamese won that war. There were some epic battles of the Red Army taking major strategic bridges. They were outgunned. Many of their soldiers were killed. They still prevailed to conquer those bridges.

[@MrTangolizard]

Chinese missile systems are far from some of the best in the world and the PLA is not as capable as the west building something like a carrier doesn’t make u capable of carrier operations it takes decades to become capable at it

[@evechurchill424]

Great, in that case there is nothing to worry about.

[@MrTangolizard]

@@evechurchill424 way to jump to conclusions there hopefully u don’t work in anything of importance with that view

[@mgronich948]

In a conflict between the US and China, the carrier is obsolete. The US navy knows it. There are 4 Ford class carriers on order only one is finished. The navy can't stop construction of the last 3 and redeploy the funds for other weapons because congress won't let it (too many jobs in too many shipyards). In the ~12 war games/simulations the Pentagon held in 2019-2020 the carriers were all kept out of the action. (too far for Chinese missiles and also too far to launch planes that could reach China.)

[@MrTangolizard]

@@mgronich948 every single top tier nation is either building carriers or has carriers they are far from obsolete do u know how hard it is to hit a carrier at sea it isn’t a easy thing, you don’t seriously think the western nations don’t have tactics in place to protect carrier groups, China has mouthed off about hypersonic missiles yet last time they fired one it missed by 25 miles at a static target GPS based missiles would be useless as the west would destroy all Chinese satellites most likely in the first day China struggles to even operate a carrier group let alone fight against one

[@Utube1024]

@@MrTangolizard What make you think US satellites will be intact...LOL.

[@krzheph7373]

"Chinese Whispers" screaming the message that CCP are not going to invade Taiwan.. what a surprise. 🤣

[@alanyam2560]

This old man is talking rubbish!!

[@jacodevnik9883]

About as powerful as a small frog or a sick turtle!

[@hudhinton1880]

There is no substitute for participating in combat for troop quality and expertise. China has not fought a real war for nearly a hundred years. There is no comparison with the American military given its combat experience in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[@JCdental]

yeah, also no NCO core

[@cuongtu7772]

Yea right. fight agaisnt the poorest countries WHO only afford ak47

[@hudhinton1880]

I don't disagree. The point still holds though because soldiers become more expert in handling and shooting weapons, tactics are deployed, supply lines get honed, and technology is closely integrated among different military branches. That experience matters in wars.

[@tonywyli]

experience in killing innocent civilian especially women and children.

[@ismeyo5146]

Lol so called anti china war monger " expert"

[@kabeerharrythakur8288]

Lots of presumptions to begin with ...... hence false narratives Cindy.

[@wadesipes9321]

It’s a just a discussion, not a term paper bud

[@kabeerharrythakur8288]

@@wadesipes9321 Realism is absolutely crucial in any discussion otherwise one is either in fantasy land or talking through one's rear end. Your choice is clear Buddy.

[@samb2052]

We’ll know for sure shortly when they invade Taiwan.

[@jonathanbarnes3061]

🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊💥 🙌 💥 🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊

[@evechurchill424]

You can't invade your own country. No more than Brits invading N.I.

[@112deeps]

I wonder if the weakness can be seen in PLA taking on Indian Army in Galwan in Hand to hand fighting with estimated 45-60 PLA soldiers casualty compared to Indian Army's 20 Soldiers Casualty......regarding equipment was spiked clubs knives machete and Bayonets

[@AAAAAA-tj1nq]

yep another propaganda channel video

[@jonathanbarnes3061]

🐢.....🐢🐢🐢

[@evechurchill424]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@redcapitalist]

a fourth world country with a puny military force throwing shade on the two most powerful military forces - china and russia - in the world lmao.

[@heycidskyja4668]

Russia is hardly a powerful military force these days

[@redcapitalist]

@@heycidskyja4668 another brainwashed minion of western propaganda. lmao. go to the front lines of ukraine and may the force be with you hahahahahahahaha. what a stooge

[@MrBlaxjax]

Yeah. The Russian military is clearly super impressive (if you inhabit a different dimension to the one everyone else lives in!). As for china honestly who knows what the pla is like. The examples that one comes across in china itself from time to time do not look remotely impressive. If the pla is anything like the Russian military then that does not bode well for china.

[@robertharper3754]

Have you been living under a rock the past few months? Russia is NOT a powerful military force, they are a JOKE, and they're getting their ass kicked HARD by Ukraine. China, which has relied on Russian military technology and tactics for a VERY long time is in serious trouble. They too could be a paper tiger like Russia is.

[@scarletpimpernel230]

@RedCommunist: Bye, bye, Wumao....U.S. has the biggest economy in the world.