How Rihanna Was Marketed After Beyoncé

[@jjw1920]

The media used Beyoncé image to help market rihanna as the more relatable artist who is down to earth because Beyoncé came off as robotic and a perfecting. Beyoncé was the good girl and rihanna the bad girl. It’s sad that beyonce perfection for her craft is seen as a negative when talent is so low in the industry

[@jaelovely2067]

I agree. They also don’t take into account that Beyoncé comes off as “so perfect” because she had to. When Destiny’s Child went through their line up change, all the blame went to Beyoncé. People were quick to label her an evil bloodsucking diva. She had to do damage control and overly prove herself as a sweet, southern girl that was completely different from her onstage persona. Now they use that very thing to say she’s “too perfect.”

[@panchooceano7717]

I've never understand how ppl feel relatable to billionaires lol, weird.

[@littlelou050]

talent isn't low. and the reasoning behind how beyoncé is viewed is because she's a black female. we're expected to work harder than most but also not too hard otherwise we're cold, aggressive, unrelatable. impossible standards. like how while riri was initially viewed as more likeable she was still put down for not being as skilled. perfection is a bunch of bs because none of it comes together. it's supposed to be unreachable. it's so annoying because while the mainstream is filled with so much incredible work and people. it would be so much more if we let more people shine and didn't push them to the bottom.

[@jakestroll6518]

It was t the “perfection”, it was that Beyoncé was the girl we want our daughters to be. Beautiful,, confident, a good girl who always strives to do it all and will never stumble out of a club drunk and will never juggle multiple men. She married the guy she met at 20 but made him wait until her career was sound. Rihanna on the other hand was the rebel daughter we wouldn’t mind but she makes you worry. she’s a party girl but not a drug addict. She got into relationships with bad men and kept going back to them. She’s had a baby with a sketchy fool who now has a gun case hanging over his head but at least she didn’t marry him. She doesn’t practise at her craft but she’s created an excellent fallback plan so you just know she’s going to be ok. You still worry though.

[@monejohn9973]

Exactly me as a black female with black friends have to agree with you that we saw Beyonce as a good girl and Rihanna as the bad gal plan and simple I don't remember comparing any of their songs because they both been originally their self since the beginning I mean of course some things are going to be a like because Beyonce's husband is both their managers so he's going to get them similar brand deals endorsements cloths just because they're under the same management and it's wayyyy easier to cut a deal if you can get two for one at the same time. (< not for the price but opportunity)

[@TechWizz]

Rihanna is truly a wonder. So many female artists did NOT flourish in a Beyonce world.

[@TCt83067695]

*_Keri Hilson has left the chat_* 🍵

[@mfululizowak9899]

Because she's under Jay-Z

[@fjwjejxnwnkksckcmwwnwn]

@@mfululizowak9899 Ok but why couldn’t Rita Ora be like that as well? She was also under Jay Z

[@mfululizowak9899]

@@fjwjejxnwnkksckcmwwnwn Rita was compared to Rihanna and not Beyonce. Rita also openly expressed her dislike for the comparison so....she got less backing cause Rih was the main for Jay. They didn't want to dim Rih's light especially cause Rita would sell more cause she's racially unambiguous if she got the same backing.

[@sunnydelight5255]

Choosing the right hits

[@afroditahermosa2003]

It's just sad to see how the media and fans are comparing them. We have to learn to appreciate the talent of the two of them instead of turning them against each other. Beyoncé is Beyoncé and Rihanna is Rihanna. PeriodT

[@georgestan7578]

That's human nature. We relate to something we know before. Therefore it was easy to find similarities and we felt familiar to Rihanna... later we discovered her own persona

[@crab2195]

god forbid there’s TWO successful women in the industry existing at the same time!😱

[@Earbugvlog]

I actually never compared these two. Idk how people was🤷🏾‍♂️

[@morelibrahimtraore9389]

Exactly we are tired of comparisons between Beyoncé and Rihanna

[@natsohigh5552]

I'd compare her more to Madonna than Beyonce. You're not gonna see Beyonces nipppes in a see through dress 😂 EVER

[@M360-w6o]

Shout out Neyo, The Dream, James Fauntleroy, Ester Dean, Sia and Partynextdoor for writing great songs for Rihanna and Beyonce.

[@bluedalia1114]

Delusional. BEYONCE IS A STAR VOCALIST AND BEST PERFORMER and songwriter winner

[@M360-w6o]

@@bluedalia1114 So did they not all not write songs for both rihanna and beyonce ? I can name all of the songs. Why are you bringing up her vocal ability and live performance ? You beehive members need serious help. I'm giving props to these songwriters for writing classics for these two icons. AGAIN, seek therapy.

[@en2186]

Big big shout to pnd and sia especially they put out bangers

[@deviantmoore9744]

​@@bluedalia1114 You're the only delusional one here, hon

[@bluedalia1114]

@Luisa Melo she wrote and co wrote .she wrote destinychild hits

[@letBIGGIErest]

it's crazy how similar they seemed when rihanna first started out - now they couldn't be more opposite (in the best way possible). Their almost like polar opposites of each other.

[@panchooceano7717]

Musically, yes, but Rihanna distanced from her fans too since she became a billionaire and only talks to them when she wants to sell something lol (same as Beyoncé but she didn't need to marketed herself as "relatable" lmao)

[@InMarieNailz]

@@panchooceano7717 I don’t even think it’s because she became a billionaire. She’s just more busy these days. She has multiple businesses, and she is now a mom. Back in the day she had more time.

[@Badgalriri2.0]

@@panchooceano7717 no she doesn’t…you clearly don’t be on the media, bcs riri is always seen in public talking to her fans, & not just for the cameras, but as a human being.

[@mimilo6326]

@@panchooceano7717 shes still in the comment section and in dm just not as much as before

[@QuangNguyen-nf6ue]

Rihanna knows that she could be the coolest gal that Beyonce could never be

[@machelkategaya1066]

Rihanna stepped into her artistry with the Good Girl Gone Bad album. Before that, she was marketed as the Bajan Beyonce

[@Kingjovibes]

That’s what he just said in the video 😂

[@ganasde65]

Its funny how back then her contemporaries were artists like Amerie, Shontelle, etc. then she leveled up big time

[@arinrayscumdump]

@@ganasde65 right and at that time Rihanna was the underdog cuz Teairra Mari and Amerie already had #1 hits and she only had Pon De Replay. Shontelle was already poppin that time but look at Rihanna now... no one is touching her among her peers. I am so proud of her journey. A real rags to riches and a self made billionaire

[@angechrisman1694]

@@arinrayscumdump Neither Amerie nor Teairra Mari had number one hit lol. Amerie best performance on the billboard hot 100 was "One Thing" (2005) which peaked at number 8 and Teairra Mari's best performing song was her solo debut single "Make Me" which only peaked at number 15. It's actually Rihanna who came out swinging with "Pon Da Replay" the same year which peaked at number 2 on the hot 100 and would've been number 1 if It wasn't for Mariah Carey's We Belong Together

[@QuangNguyen-nf6ue]

exactly, before Umbrella she was just a bajan Beyonce. With Umbrella, she found herself as the next hottest and coolest chic in the music industry

[@lilmizzije]

Sad how the media and critics pit Beyoncé and Rihanna against each other. There’s room for more than one black woman to flourish!

[@omarslayz]

very similar to how media compared and still do compare Aaliyah and Beyoncé all these years

[@audreyf9092]

@@omarslayz and they couldn’t be more different. Very weird behavior.

[@panchooceano7717]

@@omarslayz it mostly Aaliyah fans that are mad tho, go check out any Aaliyah video and you'll see her stans mentioning and hating Beyoncé in almost every comment, while Bey fans minds their business on Beyoncés videos lol

[@angechrisman1694]

@@panchooceano7717 Exactly, Beyoncé was still in DC in 2001 while Aaliyah was a solo act. Nobody was comparing the two in the media while Aaliyah was alive. If anything Aaliyah was compared to the other solo female black teen stars peers of her time like Brandy, Monica or Mya. But bc Beyoncé broke into the biggest black female star of her generation after she dropped her debut "Dangerously in Love" in 2003 and was able to sustain her relevancy, success, and cultural dominance for 20 years, it triggered the Aaliyah stans who thought that she would be the biggest if she was still alive lol. Beyoncé is celebrated as the greatest living entertainer/performer so it pisses them of

[@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024]

@@angechrisman1694 And we’ve moved on. That was 20 years ago. Anything a super Beyoncé fan knows is that misogynoir is unacceptable. Let’s move on.

[@BeeepMe911]

All this aside, as a millennial, I am SOOOO happy to have grown up watching the careers of these two icons. We are so lucky. Love them both.

[@hyperiondragon]

Very well stated. But I wonder why Rita Ora failed. They tried that very same dynamic with her, marketing her as the next Rihanna. Well I know why. They tried to make Rita a carbon copy of Rihanna, while Rihanna was only an influence of Beyoncé. As you eloquently stated, Rihanna then came into her own, and found her own look, style and vision. Rita is very status quo, and is like every other pop girl of her era which is ok, but you gotta have the consistent hits to break out.

[@sunnydelight5255]

She failed same reason everyone else failed didn’t choose smash hit. Whether none was presented to her or she couldn’t hear it Idk. Rihanna heard a hit and will stalk the creators of it. She stalked Dream for Umbrella and PND for Work.

[@en2186]

@@sunnydelight5255 pnd is literally so good he worked on a lot of songs on anti besides that his own work is very very underrated

[@hyperiondragon]

@Tena kenzy overseas I believe in the UK? She still could become that global phenom (if that’s something she even wants). she just needs the right song(s).

[@afroking4330]

@@hyperiondragon Rita ora time passed she will never be a man pop girl she has a couple hits in the UK and Europe but that's it.sge was supposed to be on Rihanna level she smashed for one summer and never maintained longevity or interest

[@hyperiondragon]

@@afroking4330 true

[@spicytomango]

Rih is definitely my fave. She had a once in a lifetime opportunity and she wasted no time. Pumping out music consistently, topping the charts, going on tours, doing brand deals, building her image and her brands too... 16 years after her debut and she's the youngest self made billionaire. That's the most insane work ethic I've seen from any artist.

[@panchooceano7717]

Well work ethic and Rihanna doesn't belong in the same sentence, she and her Savage x Fenty were recently fined because of the scamming and fraud that financially harmed its consumers since it launched.

[@LemoNiceRock-zz4wt]

And she interact with fans on socialmedia where beyonce is more "untouchable"as a character..riri is modern

[@Uobeor]

You don’t become a billionaire through “work ethic”. It’s always exploitation

[@angechrisman1694]

@@LemoNiceRock-zz4wt Entertainers are not your friends lfmao 🤣🤣🤣. Rihanna is mostly off social media anyway

[@bardimedia7161]

@@LemoNiceRock-zz4wt Rihanna hardly interacts what are you talking about

[@d173adpool]

I always thought they are totally different. They cant be compared.

[@ellet2171]

This is why Rihanna refused to continue doing what the label wanted and went her own direction.

[@en2186]

You definitely missed a few things. She built her fan base with music year after year. Putting out hits with the best producers and song writers. It was strategic bc she wanted to become rich on her own and not just with music, just like jay did. She learnt from the best

[@noproblems3192]

@@en2186 she still got a contract

[@en2186]

@@noproblems3192 exactly, she is still signed under roc nation

[@ellet2171]

@Day Jayz has no parts in fenty beauty or Fenty skin etc ( that is solely rih & lv). Why would lv need Jayz $?? You might wanna google the deal and how it’s 50/50 with Rihanna and lv. Jayz owns 3% shares in Savagexfenty & he only invested after rih had already started it. Jayz isn’t even the majority owner of roc nation as it’s main owner is live nation ( micheal Rapino ) and liberty media ( John C Malone). I think y’all forget that Jayz left def jam in 2006 and rih was still there till 2014 when her contract ended. The only album rih did jointly ( roc nation and Rihanna’s westbury road ) jay leaked on tidal and fumbled her roll her. Y’all give Jayz way to much credit for Rihanna’s hard work!

[@ellet2171]

@Day A whole 3% In sf and they only have that because Jay brown found investor’s for savagexfenty ( the year after Rihanna started it). That 3% was their part for finding $50m in investments. Rihanna signed up to music management under rn in 2010.. she was NOT always managed by them or under them. Rih did NOT cut a 360 deal and Rn has no parts in her deals outside of music. She has spoken on this several times. She wanted more freedom after leaving def jam and made sure ALL her deals outside of music are ran by her and her team only. Stop the lying!!!! Lv has public statements on how they approached rih ( she had just done a deal with mac) and lv literally poached her as she was about to work with mac on fenty beauty but she went with lv. Jz and jay brown has no parts in it! Nice try tho. You just lied.. show me Jayz or jay brown on Rihanna’s loud album ( Alex the kid, the ambassador, ester dean, the runners, stargaze etc all produced, ex producer not no Jayz or J brown), talk that talk ( ex producers are Danny d & TimBlacksmith), unapologetic ( again no Jayz or Jay brown) and this album is under labels def jam and Rihanna’s westbury road. Anti still not Jayz in the credits ( only jay brown) . Let’s get a few things stg … Jayz doesn’t even own the majority of roc nation and from reports co-owns shared in it worth about 5%. He has no real power over there ( just the face). All that lying and trying lower what rih has done isn’t working for you.. I’m an actual fan that very much looks deeper into the deals and names and yes the credits on albums.

[@demarkuspayton8203]

It just reminded me why I love Rihanna💅🏾😂 not only did she mold herself while fighting with her label to do so & WIN! She took it a step further & became the most wealthy Female Billionaire in the game but established her legacy/ Impact/ importance & Beauty in 3 entire different industries (Music, Fashion, Beauty) unlike any other woman of our time, LEGENDARIH👑💅🏾

[@ifyouseekme6694]

I remember when If It's Loving That You Want came out and I thought 'she's copying Beyonce' lol at my young age but yeah they were definitely trying to market her as Beyonce. She would've had no career if she didn't branch out with Good Girl Gone Bad even though you can see they took some ideas from Fefe Dobson's style for that era. One thing I will say about Rihanna is she kept reinventing herself and she knew how to choose hits. She was able to appeal to a very wide audience and kept churning out hits.

[@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024]

She was smart in choosing hits!

[@en2186]

@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 and in choosing song writers. Also white people just love pop more than rnb, in europe at least, and they are the one controlling the media. Beyonce is an rnb artist, although she did some pop songs here and there. Rihanna on the other hand is completely opposite she is a pop artist with a few rnb songs.

[@ifyouseekme6694]

Yeah like consistently!

[@Badgalriri2.0]

I don’t see how “it it’s loving that you want” even got compared to beyonce…it’s not her style of music

[@awinz]

Exactly!!! Fefe was inspo to a lot of em

[@jaelovely2067]

Rihanna definitely had the backing of Beyoncé’s husband Jay-Z to help her. Because of the slight resemblance she was most easily compared to Beyoncé by her record label, as opposed to Teairra Marie and Rita Ora, so that’s who they decided to push. Jay-Z was over Def Jam when she was there and when he left he took her to Rocnation with him. The video shows that even in her Good Girl Gone Bad era they were still putting Beyoncé’s name on the covers of Rihanna’s CDs. They wanted to make her “their Beyoncé” just like Sony tried to make Mariah Carey “their Whitney Houston” back in the day. Not to mention all the collaborations Jay and his artist Kanye did with Rihanna to keep her name up there. Umbrella, Run the Town,… the list goes on. She definitely had the backing of Beyoncé’s husband to keep her career afloat. To this day, besides Beyoncé, no other female artist throws up the Roc quite as hard as Rihanna does.

[@seaserenity5971]

Not to mention Rihanna’s former publicist recently came out & admitted that Rih & Jay was indeed romantically involved & he was told to lie about it being just a rumor for publicity…. No wonder Jay was originally trying to mold her into Bey’s image. Shady industry.

[@ENTERTAINMENT-tc3uq]

There is even Nigerian movie series called Beyoncé vs Rihanna 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@boo4029]

That messy movie is legendary 😂🤣

[@samanthajennings1878]

Iconic😂😂

[@Belladonas]

@@boo4029 yes I remember watching that movie 🤣🤣🤣, what were they thinking when that movie was produced 😅🤣. So cringe 😬 🤣🤣

[@Vonte444]

😂

[@leiarichardson65]

I remember lmao

[@jojo97773]

Beyoncé’s career has been a very interesting one, - I’ve always found that Beyonce name to always be attached to other female artists, in a attempt to ‘uplift’ the other. Which is something, she’s been critiqued through her entire career. But then again, she has been at the top for a v long time so I guess that’s what comes with the game.

[@noellebeeeket2815]

I know. Everyyoonneeee Always Talks about Beyoncé so they can make Drama. for example Kanye West, Kevin hart etx

[@ajollypanda4175]

But they wouldn’t do that if they didn’t see her as the standard deep down inside. They don’t use other artists that way because they don’t feel like it holds the same weight; they’d just never say it that way.

[@staciaallen3330]

I love both of these two beautiful, talented, independent & hardworking queens ! R&B is my FAVORITE singers. 👑🙌🏾

[@sunnydelight5255]

When Rihanna hears a hit she will stalk the creators of it. She stalked Dream for Umbrella and PND for Work. She told Ester Dean no you wrote that for me. That’s what separates her from everyone who flopped. She knows a hit and she works to make it hers.

[@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024]

She actually stalks them? I’m so intrigued 😭

[@en2186]

@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 not like that more like getting in contact with them and wanting to work with them

[@tangelfields]

At least she gets permission first instead of stealing it. No one likes a thief.

[@jjw1920]

@@tangelfieldsRihanna has been accused of stealing that

[@guinessbeer]

Rihanna truly is an icon. She did her thing.

[@aritobaye]

They both have distinct unique voices of our generation ❤

[@therealniasha]

Rihanna made it cause she was not afraid to experiment herself. Her style in music and fashion changed , and living in the black woman world , it kept us interested and talking . Rihanna influenced a lot of black women hairstyles, especially after 2007. I really enjoy how she wasn’t afraid to take risks, professionally.

[@Native_tay]

I definitely feel like Rihanna’s edginess (and I’d even throw nicki in there) prompted Beyoncé to channel a more edgy image. Her self titled album and videos reflected that…veering off into something else, I think as we shifted into more..alternative fashion, she began to adopt solanges sense of style, cinematography etc

[@TheNaphisa03]

Yes. Great observation.

[@BeeepMe911]

Keep in mind that Beyonce has influences like Prince, Madonna, and Donna Summer to draw her "edge" from. She doesn't have to take notes from Rih or Nicki, lol.

[@englishwithteacherbrian]

exactly. they used Rihanna as a test subject for style

[@pigeondance]

interesting, i didn't think of it that way!

[@jadoreni]

Solange was watching Bey’s visual cues from bday 2006 imo not vice versa

[@dominique9217]

Fun fact: RiRi recently stated that she wants Beyoncé to be in her next fashion show. No beef just 2 black woman succeeding 🥰💜

[@LittleMissMystique]

I'm in love with the fact they keep their private disputes between themselves

[@Mondo.]

npc

[@LittleMissMystique]

@@Mondo. NPC

[@beyoncevideos8609]

It for sure proves Beyoncé’s influence on other artists. That’s why I don’t consider them peers. They’re both respectfully iconic in their own right but Beyoncé for sure paved the way for artists like Rihanna.

[@Imxel21]

Same way tina turner, whitney and Mariah paved the way for her. There’s always someone before.

[@beyoncevideos8609]

@@Imxel21 exactly and same way people paved the way for Mariah and Tina and everyone 🖤

[@tias.6675]

Uh, they're DEFINITELY peers. Their solo careers literally started around the same time. Most people who say things like this were little kids then.

[@beyoncevideos8609]

@@tias.6675 absolutely not I followed Beyoncé’s career since I heard her on the radio in 1997 with destiny’s child. You can’t just discredit her career just to force them on the same level. Of course Rihanna has surpassed Beyoncé in some of areas but that’s ok she has her own lane.

[@kalync.8232]

@@tias.6675 So Destiny’s Child is irrelevant in Beyoncé’s success??? She’s been in the industry almost a decade before Rihanna’s debut. They aren’t peers.

[@Itsacamlife]

Rihanna is my favorite! Raw and not perfect and I love her personality!can’t wait for her new album!

[@Ye_wie]

Me too . I like Beyonce but I looooove Rihanna. And Rihanna is such an astute business woman

[@bluedalia1114]

People relate to mediocrity. Beyonce is A star vocalist and best performer alive

[@tangelfields]

@@bluedalia1114 if being a billionaire is mediocrity, then sign me up

[@jjw1920]

@@tangelfieldswe are talking about musical talent. Lol idk why y’all always talk about money

[@wahyun4244]

riri never release album again

[@Lamarization]

Could you do a video about the impact of Aaliyah. Let’s be real baby girl shifted the WHOLE music scene and fashion

[@BombshElle_7]

@@Lamarization Oh, my bad. I'll delete my comment for the sake of peace.

[@Lamarization]

@@BombshElle_7 thank you ❤️ the real ones who know, know period lol RIP baby girl 😔

[@BombshElle_7]

@Lamarization 😄🩷 I miss her, too. I thought she was the most beautiful and coolest woman on the planet when I was a kid.

[@Juan-fy6fc]

Very Janet Jackson inspired

[@stars8924]

She did not change the entire music industry lol

[@armanigreen9317]

What Rihanna has been able to accomplish at such a young age is remarkable! Everything that she touches eventually turns to gold ❤️✨

[@jameltanderson]

That’s why they really mad 😂 they think she don’t deserve it because she did what their favorite artist did but at a younger age

[@Cleanromance75]

Rihana is inteligent , well spoken taleneted creatuve and she is earning billions with her fenty . She was a legend in the 2000s and will forever be . She is not someone you can overshadow .

[@joelleginger599]

Amazing how bey is revelent since 90 s

[@elroe327]

It will always baffles me that people even bring their name together. I guess them being the biggest black pop stars of their generation didn't help. BUT keep in mind Beyonce came from a different generation of music and 26 yrs later she is still keeping up with younger acts that debuted ex. Rihanna. Her longevity and artistry is unmatched

[@jameltanderson]

Rihanna still sold more in way less time though that’s what’s unmatched

[@elroe327]

@@jameltanderson sold more in singles because she made club hits 💀Beyonce still sold more albums and all her albums are critically acclaimed. All 7 albums have gotten 1 billion streams on Spotify. Something rih doesn't have...

[@jameltanderson]

@@elroe327 Rihanna sold more records period albums + singles combined. Overall EVERYTHING included not just what you deem important

[@noproblems3192]

Very much! And performing!!? Bey got it

[@moneyneeded9979]

@@jameltanderson it because Rihanna has more albums and singles.

[@Tia.K.C]

I never had a clue that Beyoncé and Rhianna were being compared growing up. They always seemed like two completely different planets/worlds. Beyoncé is more of an old school performer, Rhianna is a modern radio hit Queen. We need both flavors to enjoy life 😂

[@sapphirelatina]

Not just Rihanna. They all were: Christina Milian, Ciara, Shontelle etc. and then once Rihanna changed things up in 2007, they followed suit. Rihanna however was following Kelis, which alot of people dont know about because Kelis was never at the exposure point of Rihanna or Beyonce.

[@jaelovely2067]

Beyoncé is the only one of them who’s been heavily compared to the greats before her… Michael, Janet, Tina Turner, Diana Ross, and as a member of DC being compared to TLC and the Supremes. She’s cut from a different cloth for sure

[@Badgalriri2.0]

No she’s not. Ciara does, Chris brown does, & rihanna is compared to Whitney all the time. (Emotional execution)

[@moneyneeded9979]

@@Badgalriri2.0 I like Rihanna but comparing her to Whitney is insane

[@panchooceano7717]

@@Badgalriri2.0 emotional execution 😭😭😭 flat notes aren't emotional execution

[@ethana.3091]

Beyawnce doesn’t have the vocal talent she just dances good.

[@panchooceano7717]

@@ethana.3091 Rihorse ain't a vocalist nor a dancer 💔

[@ninagw6370]

I genuinely started crying when I saw the picture of them together. SO MUCH FUCKING FEMALE POWER

[@Mondo.]

NPC

[@queenlii4334]

Rihanna is gorgeous, I’m a girl but damn she was my first crush when I was little

[@rnbmatters8224]

It’s always given big sister, lil sister. Beyoncé comes from a totally different era. BEEN in the game.

[@justchill6765]

Beyoncè don't even have a song with together with Kelly Rowland, Michelle Williams even Letoya Luckett both Beyoncè and Rihanna the most successful black artists of the last 20 years you'd think they been made a song together.

[@galliano100]

Bey does has a song with Michelle.. it’s called When Jesus Says Yes and it’s a gospel song it came out in 2014.

[@galliano100]

and Bey also has a song with Kelly that came out in 2013. It’s called You’ve changed

[@tweetingsparks]

Oh no, oh no-oh no, no, no, no.

[@jujubee6030]

Bey don't even have a solid collab either her own sister other than that one song Solange did for Solo Star.

[@jaelovely2067]

Beyoncé did Naïve with Solo. Destiny’s Child also did the Proud Family theme song with Solo as well as Little Drummer Boy from their 8 Days of Christmas album

[@kev-once]

Beyonce is a true talent

[@Badgalriri2.0]

She can only sing. Which was taught. Her dancing is mediocre, & her “craft” is mostly stolen. That’s not true talent.

[@jktealord]

@@Badgalriri2.0 stop barking give it a rest they don’t even know y’all exist lmao

[@tias.6675]

Please ! All she does is scream and growl- I mean sing the songs that are written and produced for her.

[@angechrisman1694]

@@tias.6675 Get a job

[@azulaisafunnylewdgirl]

​@@angechrisman1694 Get a life, nobody is gonna pay your rent.

[@hahaherby]

Beyoncé said Rihanna is family . I feel like they support each other ❤

[@pikapikapikachu6679]

I ❤Beyonce. She's the queen of the queens.

[@E.Nicole]

I never got the comparisons because their styles vocal ability, performance style were not equal….

[@koala201211]

Hey honest, could you choose a favorite artist of yours to talk about? Maybe rank their albums, something like that

[@koichiatz7029]

Rihanna the only artist that survived the beyonce comparation

[@jaelovely2067]

She’s the only one who was that heavily compared to Beyoncé. Ciara has had some comparisons to Beyoncé and she’s still doing her thing

[@angechrisman1694]

@@jaelovely2067Tinashe, Normani, Chloe Bailey are another story....

[@CoolForSale]

Beyoncé & Rihanna were to the 2000’s what Cardi & Nicki are today….In the 90s it was Mariah & Whitney…the music industry’s oldest trick in the book…take what’s working already & try to imitate & capitalize off the OG’s success smh…I’m glad Rihanna found her own lane though because I didn’t start liking her until she did.

[@Essetheartist]

I like seeing their similarities and differences. I appreciate both and I don't weigh either above another. I'm so happy she shared a video of her son on TikTok

[@-MH1992-]

Love Beyoncé ❤

[@jktealord]

beyoncé is a legend

[@Shadow2pointO]

Emotional creativity = Rihanna ♓️ Hard working Perfectionist = Beyoncé ♍️ I really want to someone who’s got both their qualities!

[@daughterofeveandhateroflil2683]

They're both mutable signs and each other's astrological sister signs

[@zmw2634]

riri born star she shine bright like a diamond...

[@Theeblaccking]

Beyoncé is so cute

[@leydimoralesATL]

it's like the modern day Michael Jackson and Prince. Both completely different but always being compared. Both incredible superstars

[@rosemiller6388]

I think it’s more like Britney vs Christina, opposites but since they’re in the same industry and have the same race, that’s what draws comparisons

[@johnathantaylor5913]

When are black women with darker skin going to get the same love/attention/chances that black women with lighter skin have received? The media is biased and markets what it can sell to society. Big changes need to come -- artists like Lizzo are pushing those changes forward.

[@cleodiamond7569]

Labels try to appeal to the male gaze

[@cleodiamond7569]

That's a valid question

[@tias.6675]

Maybe y'all should support them ? We've had Whitney, Lauren, Toni, and Brandy etc in the golden ages. Too much crying and not enough supporting.

[@mr.westwood1876]

@@tias.6675you sound ridiculous because it’s not solely on the fans to support the labels have to support them as well

[@billythakidd7236]

Very well said! They are two different entities and should not be compared…AT ALL.

[@Akursedtime]

Wow I didn't know about the comparisons. But so glad Rihanna and Beyonce never fought. It feels like there is always beef in the music world. When there shouldn't be.

[@pigeondance]

so true!

[@cstaylor1989]

How could you compare….Beyoncé vocally is not to be played 💯 Love Rihanna but 😂😂😂 Business wise they are very similar 💪🏾 Either way women are winning 🏆

[@Badgalriri2.0]

Bcs Rihanna actually sing, Beyoncé is a better singer but that’s bcs she’s trained. Rihanna is better…y’all just hate to admit that.

[@angechrisman1694]

@@Badgalriri2.0 Her raw vocal talent at 9 years singing Stephanie Mills Home from The Wiz put a 16 year-old Rihanna under a table attempting to song Mariah Carey's Hero

[@Badgalriri2.0]

@@angechrisman1694 Rihanna was sick, and it was cold, Rihanna sing the national anthem at 17 and slayed. And do I have to link you to the performance of Beyoncé singing at 9? Bcs it was very messy

[@angelmontezs]

@@Badgalriri2.0 should a singer not be trained to sing???

[@Badgalriri2.0]

@@angelmontezs no bcs not all singers are trained to sing

[@yaniquebarrett6008]

I pick rih for fashion and bey for music queen b is so talented

[@maenad1231]

I loved this one, man!

[@boluwajiolalekan4173]

Riri is a music legend.

[@huntsman145]

😂😂😂 u misspelled makeup

[@girlgreenivy]

If Rihanna was ever marketed as a "rival" to Bey it was pure calculated strategy that would never have been serious or harmful because Rihanna is managed by Jay Z's company and no one working there would want that smoke

[@zaniyahjordan2657]

This thumbnail is so fire

[@RihannaChristina]

omg I never knew about that ‘Move over Beyoncé’ sticker

[@panchooceano7717]

Rihanna been the black JLo lol, from singing and keeping the same vocals of demo's Esther Dean sent her (S&M, What's My Name, Where Have You Been, etc) to steals Bebe Rexha's vocals on her live performances of The Monster, it is crazy. Beyoncé may take some credit for songwriting, but stealing vocals it's insane and where ppl needs to draw the line, i'm glad she's artistically superior in that way.

[@ellet2171]

Why are you lying? Rihanna has sang all those songs live several times and she literally credits anybody that does the backround vocals. How was Bebe her issue? That was an em song. Em producer is the one left the ohhhhh in the backround and it had nothing to do with rih. I think you forget Beyoncé has sia vocals on her sia song

[@panchooceano7717]

@@ellet2171 mind u there's actual footsge of Rihanna lipsyicing to Bebe's vocals in performances ☠️ Beyoncé would never...

[@ellet2171]

@@panchooceano7717 lies and for what?? Bebe has publicly stated she is only on the ouhhhhhhh part. One word!!!!!! What aren’t you getting?? It has nothing to do with Rihanna! That is an em song and em and his team sent it to rih ( who wasn’t even in the USA as she was tour) to record her vocals and did and sent it back.. em producer kept the ouhhhhh on it and it had nothing to do with rih. It’s on em for keeping the ouhhhhhhh. Why do y’all insist on inserting her into it? You do know that ester has literally went in on somebody asking about her “ doing vocals for rih” in an interview and said it was a lie and she’s been in the studio with rih and seen her laying the vocals and rih keeps the song writers on the backround vocals and credits them so they get more $? Y’all love throwing bs on rih but never give her credit for trying get the writers more $. Maybe you should stop hating and lying.

[@ellet2171]

@@panchooceano7717 nat Beyoncé cutting the writers off completely and taking main credits.

[@sunnydelight5255]

Well neither her or Jlo has stolen. Those vocals are backgrounds. But Rih does copy the demo exactly she doesn’t change anything just imitates what she heard.

[@lalaland2107]

I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE the pictures of them on the thumbnail!!!

[@tweetingsparks]

I ❤ Rihanna. Her first few albums continue to pon de replay.

[@SpaceandGoats]

I didnt even know people compared Rihanna to Beyonce because i always thought she was more iconic

[@rosemiller6388]

Beyoncé is more iconic

[@shizuma357]

I'm from a small country in Europe, and all my life I followed up on what was happening in the American music industry. Music is my passion and lately I completely lost compass on why are some celebrities even famous. I feel like something is missing. Some celebs are getting fame just from the hype, they're completely overrated, or they're just problematic. I remember the times when celebrities were known all around the world for their devotion to their fans, their passion, their performances, and their humanitarian work. Now they're just flexing and promoting bbls, lavish lifestyle but what about music, artist's oeuvre, passion and need to connect to the world? Of course, there are still some amazing artists, but this change is very confusing and frustrating

[@rosemiller6388]

Beyoncé isn’t overrated. She has the talent to match up to the hype as well as being unproblematic, humanitarian. What’s funny is y’all say that yet praise the most mediocre artists like Britney Spears who don’t even have half as much talent.

[@shizuma357]

​@@rosemiller6388I agree!! I'm not talking about Beyonce, I respect her so much, can't say the same for Riri tho. I'm talking about the artists that are flourishing now

[@jamiefarrow5052]

Irreplaceable was written for Rihanna by Ne-Yo but she did not like the song so he asked Mirah Carey she said no so Beyonce said she would do the song you can't say that Take a bow sounds l similar to Irreplaceable because Ne-Yo wrote for her.

[@labelmeposh]

From my understanding Beyonce is the one who gave the co-sign for Rihanna. At the time Tiara Marie was the forerunner, but Beyince was able to see Rihanna's drive so she gave Jay-Z the push.

[@missgangsmashers737]

Cover story! Rihanna was picked for an entirely different reason!

[@mizzjacquettaxx6974]

They’re makeup on thumbnail was super gorgeous ❤️💖

[@katlynnbell]

I think it was more their look more than anything lol it was starting to get more racial ambiguous in the music industry if payed attention before them the music industry was a LITTLE more diverse . As in today it’s more biracial than anything

[@ColesHandle]

I love them both so much. I never understood the comparisons. I just think they are so different especially today. Great video!

[@Jay-mh3cp]

Beyoncé is an Artist and Rihanna is basically a better Britney Spears. Rih has lots of hits but non of them say much just basic pop while Beyoncé has real artistic appeal

[@redbluebae4397]

Check your bias, both those other women than Queen b are artists in their own right, don’t u forgot one of these ladies got to perform with the king of pop so he gave her his stamp

[@BombshElle_7]

😮 I thought I was the only one who saw Rihanna as "Black Britney"!

[@jaelovely2067]

A better Britney Spears is a stretch. Although neither of them are really great singers, I’ve never seen Rihanna do choreo quite as well as Britney

[@BombshElle_7]

@@jaelovely2067 Facts

[@bemyhope5059]

Better britney ? Lol stop don't set up riri like that 💀

[@avybrown7956]

I love this channel and this COMMUNITY 💕 😍 😘

[@honestboy]

💙💙

[@jalaaaah]

and weren’t “take a bow” & “irreplaceable” both written by neyo? it’s most likely why they’re so similar 😅

[@brizuelasergioo]

i love both beyonce and rihanna but none of them could write a song to save their lives

[@NeuRudy]

Both great artist ❤ fingers crossed 🤞we get a new Rihanna album in 2023 🙏🏻

[@kingderald]

THANK YOU HONEST!!!!! Tell it to the people in the back.

[@wordlifefactory1656]

Beyonce being Virgo is pretty perfectionist in nature, so they say. As for Piscean Rihanna, they seem to come off more in a way that may be less robotic due to emotional quality, so that down to earth, because she isn't chasing perfectionism or have the "show-pony" veneer that perhaps does matter to a Virgo typically. This is just a fun take on Zodiac, it is just for amusement and nuance, to put their comparisons through a Zodiac lens in comment. That's all. Love.

[@spicypeppy]

I totally understand trust me i was thinking same thing earlier and no judgment cast but something about Virgos just pissed me with this they want to appear perfect to the point where you shouldn't see their flaws but its okay for them to criticise you which is not ok. Which explains why Beyonce sometimes appear as a victim during her time serve in destiny child she knew what she was doing always found some way to distract the crowd/fans not saying this out of hate because I'm a Beyonce fan more than riri although i love them both. But her past interviews when asked questions she answer so self absorbed but in a calm tone unlike rihanna past interviews till now she always talk so relatable like she just hit the spot and wins every women heart right away with a bold charisma. Bey songs sounds like it's not okay to be single but riri songs will make you feel there is nothing wrong in being single.

[@wordlifefactory1656]

@@spicypeppy yeah, I think it's a psychological prison that Virgos put themselves into, wired perhaps, with a certain tradition, rectitude, but that there's more of a "freedom" experienced psychologically and spiritually, by Pisces-Rihanna.

[@jjw1920]

@@wordlifefactory1656 well all the greatest artist have been Virgos. So are we staying that Michael Jackson being a Virgo is an issue because he also was a perfectionist

[@wordlifefactory1656]

@@jjw1920 you hit it on the nail. Folks can see "Smooth Criminal" or any video and the reality is from the plot of "Thriller" or that one, to all the choreography in those, let alone the others, they really show that he tirelessly perfected or tried to, his craft. It was about a message and being the ultimate messenger to deliver it. It's not quite the way I think "Geminis" do (2Pac, Prince, Kanye) but Virgos seem definitely in this altruistic way, not as much trying to do it with the edgier shadowy side of ourselves as humans. Virgos do come off pristine, and when they show flaws, folks come for them pretty hard, as if they showed this "holier than thou" vibe and now they are held to a higher standard to not have flaws. I think that it's about patterns in behaviors of people, that may or may not actually show up in Zodiac signs, but it does show up as patterns to me, like archetypes, it is philosophical to me, more than anything else. I think that sharing the best of ourselves is the way we all become interconnected, and Musicians/Artists probably know this the best. Beyonce's "Brown Skin" knowing she has children with a phenotype of her husband mingled with her more favored look, especially from some communities and culture, had a message to promote. Some argue that she banks on this message disingenuously, but I can't prove that. What will matter is that someone puts the message out there, for the balance against what Racism, Colorism do for damage psychologically to people. The famous study or "doll test" done in the 70s showed that Black girls chose a White doll over a Black one. They did that, revealing that these messages and lack of promotion really do embed and seep into one's brain that they are "less than." Important message. Virgo-Beyonce. "Man in the Mirror" from the lyrics, beat, intro, outro has to be one of Michael's biggest songs/hits. One of introspection, reflection, and how the process starts within each of us. His song sparked a lot of people to reignite what Ghandi said, about "being the change you want to see in the world." That is a message, not one to provoke (those have their value too) but one to share and know that all of us have our doubts, but looking within and trying to start with that accountability first, matters. Virgo-Michael Jackson. I see the patterns and like to check out the psychological profile of them as stars but even among my friends or strangers I encounter. I didn't realize it but I guess it's a branch called Physiological Astrology. There's a woman named Jennifer Freed, PHD, who authored a book called "Use Your Planets" and she goes into it more deeply than I ever would. I did it more for amusement, but not realizing that Zodiac signs can be used as a piece of a bigger puzzle, to who each of us are. It's like one more detail, in a bunch of them.

[@pigeondance]

@@wordlifefactory1656 you are so cool!!!

[@Takatukata]

Funny how things allegedly went! Back then they told a story about Rihanna being discovered by Jay Z on a beach in Barbados asking the beauty if she could sing too...

[@i.i1215]

Rihanna can’t sing or dance. She had that exotic edge and ofcourse colorism (African Americans love lightskin and biracial women) I love her music and that she is apologetically rude gyal but let’s be real.

[@Cholmes-lf5kd]

This is in the Caribbean and African community as well, don’t group us all in and lie.

[@brandona.4600]

Love Rihanna in the studio but she doesn’t have one live performance where I watch it and go WOW!!

[@panchooceano7717]

Same, she's a mid singer.

[@brandona.4600]

@@panchooceano7717 unfortunately that’s just facts but I’ll be watching the Super Bowl performance to see if that will be the ONE

[@lafefez]

@@brandona.4600 I'm so scared on her behalf.

[@brandona.4600]

@@lafefez yea it should be “interesting“ for sure 🤭.

[@80sdreamwave32]

Two great ladies of R&B pass 20 Years

[@randomclips888]

They are pop girls… they are not R&B girls. Rihanna and Beyonce make Pop Music

[@angechrisman1694]

Rihanna was NEVER an RnB artist. Her roots were reggae, dancehall if anything but not American RnB. Beyoncé comes from an RnB girl group. One of the biggest girl group of all time. They are not the same. Rihanna doesn't sing like a RnB singer

[@en2186]

Rihanna is not a rnb artist...

[@Badgalriri2.0]

@@angechrisman1694 she has r&b songs bby.

[@Badgalriri2.0]

@@en2186 she was bby.

[@aliisa717]

ngl when i was a kid i thought they were the same person

[@TheMG20089]

same they look so related

[@BombshElle_7]

In your defense, you were a child. But now there would be no excuse.

[@aliisa717]

@@BombshElle_7 eventually i grew up and got to listen to both of their music and realised they are way too different

[@Classicrob95]

Its mainly annoying because I think this always prevented them from collabing

[@stars8924]

Why would Beyoncé do music with a Rihanna was has abandoned it all together? Lol

[@originaozz]

I think they initially marketed Rihanna after Beyonce because in the early 2000s there's not as many pop diva who've reached the level of fame as Beyonce. The pool was smaller and Beyonce is the gold standard. It sucks that we put women into category like that, but having a point of comparison/reference was a great marketing strategy.

[@marvel_bro7598]

I’ve seen Rihanna live many times ❤️ her!!

[@TheNinjapancake14]

A song with both of them would top the charts

[@veliona_vollerei_]

Righttt Im looking forward for this

[@KobiTheFluffinator]

I love honest

[@honestboy]

love u too 💙💙

[@HM-ky3yi]

@@honestboy you sound like Don-agillo channel ur reviews on KZbin almost come similar

[@jenifermullin7168]

Rihanna is more Rock n' Roll, more Island Girl, ya know. Bey is beautiful and a Great singer and performer. As is Rihanna. Rihanna has done Amazing collaborations with Eminem, T.I., Jay-Z and Kanye(of course), crazy-ass Niki Minaj(who started out as an actress...and maybe stayed one.. definitely), etc. Rihanna has a much more cool-girl, edgy but chill, High-fashion but also Island Life-vibe, real and genuine persona... and real life personality probably- Both always stunning, but very different styles from the beginning(Bey- hyper sexualized "Boss". Riri- sexy-cute to "good girl gone bad" to Real life Boss of Her many Fenty Brand Companies. Sky is the Limit Baby 💓💓💓

[@traebreon5449]

I like Rihanna yet and still I've always considered her to be a mediocre version of Beyonce. Beyonce has always been in my opinion an entertainor for the mature and Rihanna an entertainor for the maturing!

[@PeterWasThere]

They both talented in their rights. Can't compare them imo

[@Tam...]

I'm sorry...I love Rih and can relate to her with our Caribbean background, but to this day I can't understand how she is compared to Beyonce...This shows how there was/is no strong artist to challenge Beyonce......One is a icon and one is a legend...

[@spicypeppy]

Yep and Rihanna is definitely the legend while Bey the icon of course.🥰

[@angechrisman1694]

@@spicypeppy Negative

[@spicypeppy]

@@angechrisman1694 it's my opinion first and foremost also legends are not forgotten to show you how much respect and honor rihanna reflects...her country goes out to made her one of their national heroes...as far as Beyonce goes i don't see that happening for America no hate. Take it or leave it i said what i said. I believe rihanna is a legend because she contribute alot in the industry multi talent. Beyonce is a icon because of her music style and performance but it comes to other areas that is not music she always gets alot of negative feedback compared to rihanna who every woman instantly fall in love with fenty right away. Good bye.

[@angechrisman1694]

@@spicypeppy Selling make up and foundation doesn't make you a legend lol. It went from music and actual talent to but Rihanna can sell make up. Your whole argument is weak and didn't help Rihanna AT ALL

[@spicypeppy]

@@angechrisman1694 first of all I wasn't just talking about makeup. I was talking about her *clothing line* who Beyonce the singer has one as well. And i clearly remember when every woman pulled to rihanna clothing line; they instantly bashed Beyonce clothing line till this day saying her clothing line doesn't seem interesting and relatable like rihanna and also , clearly remember some particular fans said her clothing line lack creativity because it doesn't seem appealing.... Anyways I'm done with this argument and said what i said good bye.

[@gingerz2202]

I don’t like them to be put against each other beyonce is the one told them to pick her back then rihanna became her own I love both they changed the shape of music a to this day continues to rebrand every single time

[@PourLaMourDeLargent]

why have they never collabed? usually artists that sign with Jay always get a Bey collab.

[@zachrully5672]

I see Rihanna I clicked, so simple

[@DuhhhItsLandyQ]

You’re the best Honest

[@honestboy]

thanks love 💙

[@arvinsenglishph2293]

Rihanna didn't need market market needs Rihanna

[@logandavis4706]

The reason why Rihanna try to be like Beyonce because she was influence by her that's why