How Taiwan Became the Biggest Risk for a U.S.-China Clash

[@connorwood108]

"is Taiwan a part of china?" US: "Yesn't"

[@ekerilaz723]

No, no it's not

[@walden6272]

@@ekerilaz723 You mean "it's notyes."

[@fatdoi003]

@@ekerilaz723 sadly Taiwan belongs to China

[@ekerilaz723]

@@fatdoi003 I mean it has its own currency, bank, military, government doctrines, passport, and also doesn't want to be controlled by Chinese lol

[@ekerilaz723]

@@fatdoi003 It's only argument is that it was controlled by the ming dynasty which is long dead and hold no power over our present day. At no point in history has the CCP ever ruled over Taiwan

[@MonkeySpecs301]

TSMC, US depends on them for semiconductors, saved you guys 13mins.

[@yucol5661]

Thx

[@jennychuang808]

tsmc

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

yes the us will interfere in any war purely because of the semiconductors

[@ellipse1001]

this is the bottomline really. if supply chain is affected, US economy will suffer

[@semiramisubw4864]

Ironic, bcs US crushed Japans semiconductors economy in the 80s, they were the most advanced and best at that time.

[@danielwang2956]

The world: "Is Taiwan part of China or its own independent country?" US: "Yes"

[@yutian5884]

USA gets to trade with Beijing whilst also selling outdated military hardware and ractopamine filled beef to Taipei. It's a "win-win" for the USA. Pissing off China and dangling the support carrot in front of Taiwan.

[@Yohannson]

@@yutian5884 would you say the same for Korea but in reverse?

[@yutian5884]

@@Yohannson South Korea and China actually have a relatively normal relationship in trade and diplomacy, USA actually have to be more careful when dealing with S.K since they're not as dependent on US aide and can theoretically decline base lease terms.

[@dvanerdivkanade]

Taiwan is a country regardless how much China is butthurt about it.

[@scenicdepictionsofchicagolife]

@@yutian5884 I think the US govt (e.g., not regular citizens like me) walks an impossibly fine line geopolitically speaking. Of course I personally recognize Taiwan as an independent nation but it doesn't really matter who I vote for, as neither administration will "recognize" Taiwan. What the US govt will do will let the PRC golden egg continue as long as possible (because of the corrupt American corporations that have financial interests based in the mainland and they have hide influence over the govt) at least until the issue of Taiwan comes to a head, and only THEN will the US come to Taiwans aid in fending off a PRC invasion. Until then, what you guys in Taiwan can do is just continue to grow your population, build new diplomatic relationships, and grow that economy as much as possible. The longer you all hold out, the less powerful the PRC will become on the world stage as the population bust will hit them as will increasing standards of living and higher wages. This is why they are pushing the belt and road initiative so hard, and why just like the US, are beginning to build up their military power for a post industrial scenario. Taiwan has great prospects for it's future, but keeping the PRC at bay for as long as possible and also building the relationship with the US stronger and stronger. Hopefully one day in the future, the US will be able to recognize a sovereign Taiwan and a separate mainland PRC china and maintain a relationship with both (though as I have been saying, this will probably need to be settled with a conflict).

[@David-nu6kw]

This world never fails to produce problems.

[@babyrage1763]

*Humans

[@David-nu6kw]

@@babyrage1763 Aside from natural disasters. Yes humans are definitely to blame for pretty much everything. Sad.

[@maxscania]

@@David-nu6kw the US to be more specific... China is not interfering in Puerto Rico or Guam.

[@David-nu6kw]

@@maxscania Only in Hong Kong and Taiwan.

[@maxscania]

@@David-nu6kw what is the US business in HK or Taiwan?

[@FRISHR]

The island of Taiwan will win by releasing the Rumbling of Colossal Titans.

[@donovanpage7109]

I don't believe so. Monkey in the middle. Taiwan would be the monkey and unfortunately the titans won't be throwing balls at each other.

[@jesantonihevileon8611]

China could make a nuclear test in theirs own country .

[@carl6909]

@@donovanpage7109 Oh you poor, poor child. He is making an AoT reference.

[@olympia5758]

@@carl6909 Yeah, anyone else realize that Taiwan and China is the story of AOT? Losing side retreats to an island, and then after a century or so the mainland invades the island but loses. I wonder if the same thing could happen in real life?

[@Founderschannel123]

@@donovanpage7109 lol hey ccp bot taiwan has its own flag and leader you know that right?

[@silberoi45]

Fallout players: "im starting to see a pattern i don't like"

[@insectbite1714]

Yes

[@disgruntledpigeon8376]

Yes

[@catbox7958]

2040 water warssss

[@jeorge1153]

a pattern of US interventions all over the world. infiltrate, sanction, collaboration, revolution, overthrow governments, create a puppet regime and plunder. Is it that obvious?

[@ultimateedgelord3586]

@@jeorge1153 worked out for SK and Taiwan, even helped to push the commies out of Malaysia and Singapore(formerly part of Malaysia). Those countries are doing pretty fine to me.

[@pablopacheco43]

"is Taiwan a part of China or a independent country" US: "Whatever annoys CCP the most"

[@yungcastel2588]

You ignorant af

[@taiwanisacountry]

-_- I don't even know what to say. You really are overestimating the importance of the PRC. If China were to close down tomorrow, you would not feel that really. If Taiwan were to disappear tomorrow, then you would feel that immediately, since chips would dry up within months. And a very limited supply would be produced untill years after, and innovation in chip research would also decline. So upgrading would be fewer and further apart. If we were to lose the CCP, we would lose "cheap stuff" that's it. solar panels would proof out for a short while. Cheap cloth, can be produced in a bunch of places and those factories does not take years to setup, but months. The same goes for teddies, and such.

[@maheshrathod5593]

@@taiwanisacountry dude you really didn't know how things are made do you?

[@taiwanisacountry]

@@maheshrathod5593 such as? :-) please provide some examples of necessary items that are exclusively or almost exclusively made in China. I gave such an example. Solar panels. They are being made in China because they dumped unrealistically cheap panels onto the world market, and because of the solar bubble.

[@maheshrathod5593]

@Anurag Chakraborty why?

[@ProtomanButCallMeBlues]

China: If you try to defend Taiwan we're gonna take it US: Well if you try to take taiwan we're gonna defend it China: Bet you, you won't US: Bet you, we will China: Do it then US: nah bro, you do it first. China: nah bro, waiting on you US: Why you dogging me bro China: Nah, why you dogging *me* bro

[@esmong1908]

neither will make a move

[@ProtomanButCallMeBlues]

@@Sinista123 What most people don't know is that Taiwan has a ambiguously confusing defense treaty with the United States which obligates the U.S. to HELP Taiwan in the event of an invasion. However unlike South Korea, or Japan where the treaty says the U.S. MUST defend them. The one with Taiwan can be interpreted to mean anything. It's probably the biggest reason why they never invaded Taiwan again.

[@BruceWayne-qe7bs]

@@ProtomanButCallMeBlues Yes, USA even threatened China for Nuclear attack.

[@BruceWayne-qe7bs]

@@esmong1908 China will take the move.Just waiting for the right time.

[@tahrimul6451]

@@Sinista123 I think you’ve mixed Taiwan and Hong Kong up…

[@daftmario123]

I've wondered for many years if the US would use physical intervention if China invaded Taiwan. The semiconductor issue would be a major problem I imagine

[@Appathetic_Substance_Abuse]

They would probably help arm the country more at first and maybe set up blockades. But its hard to say. I would hope our country will defend taiwan ❤️

[@jaredspencer3304]

That's why seeing TSMC agree to build a plant in Arizona is interesting. In doing so, the US secures its own supply chain, but Taiwan loses leverage (and one of the core incentives for the US to intervene on Taiwan's behalf). I wonder if there were behind the scenes discussions on the US making more formal commitments to defend Taiwan in exchange for putting the plant in the US.

[@trevorera1234]

@@jaredspencer3304 yup, but it hasn’t being built yet. However, TSMC does have its Fab already in operation for years in China. Although is supposed to be lower technology scales but There must be some of the upper management in Taiwan are pro China. So unless the whole team move out to US. I don’t see TSMC going to help much.

[@DanielK1213th]

The US will intervene but not because of the semiconductors. But because China has crossed the line.

[@hernegenjas8225]

China will probably never invade taiwan, they will probably bribe corrupt politicians into submitting to them xD

[@Mark-fc7tu]

So, it's a messy issue that doesn't have a clear answer. And the one positive outlook is that the major players are all dancing around the issue to avoid a catastrophic loss of life.

[@elijahching]

Agree 100% but also must consider the power of the country's manufacturing so it goes much further within political economies.

[@kart0917]

All the problem is china.They won't listen.And don't want the talk.seems never stop.

[@Driendel]

Awfully similar to WW2, uh?

[@TrustInTheShepherd]

It has a clear answer, Taiwan does not want to be part of China so they don't belong to China. It is that simple.

[@joshj6615]

10 years ago Taiwan was the bargaining-chip between United States and China. 10 years later China said Taiwan is not a bargaining-chip anymore but Taiwan said we want to be the bargaining-chip. To Save Our Economy, Ditch Taiwan ----nytimes

[@akinigiri]

Lots of love to Taiwan from Japan!!

[@salaheryo]

japan dog keeps barking for master US. NO WONDER.

[@Doochos]

The Taiwanese people appreciate the donation of Wuhan virus vaccines that your government gave. Donating vaccines, rather than selling them, like another of Taiwan's neighbors, is a sign of a civilized country and people.

[@gibetax8477]

@@salaheryo CCP troll

[@alee2204]

Japan mass genocided Taiwan indigenous people during occupation, pay the blood debt!

[@lovelyhomeboy2782]

Dayum these comments are malicious

[@chilledstainned1189]

I’m just glad that we’re finally getting publicity about this problem

[@jenny0820-upup]

It's funny that nowadays few people notice the official name of taiwan: Republic of China

[@Spido68_the_spectator]

And they can't change it without making China angry

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

M H they wont change it because the older people are chinese however i argue these people should not get a vote as their decision will affect the younger generation more than them

[@___Me_]

Well there were also two Germanies and there are two Koreas. Works fine.

[@epicentreofvideos2571]

@@___Me_ South Sudan as well or north Macedonia

[@salaheryo]

@@___Me_ well German unified. and Korea wants to unify and the SK government has the unification ministry.

[@LegoCaptainRex]

Battlefield players: oh yeah, it’s all coming together (Edit) hey, I didn’t ask for political talk, shut up and enjoy a laugh

[@lasthopelost9090]

Yeah I was thinking of that a war with people these days could be insane

[@ekerilaz723]

Hainan resort, paracel islands 🤟

[@secret222]

Why all the countries obsessed with Being a dictatorship always obsessed with trying to flex their military arsenal power? It's like they're trying to prove that they too can build a wheel out of sticks while the rest of the world is perfecting flight. Do they not realize wars of the near future will be fought behind a computer with and internet connection rather than with frontline soldiers and tanks.

[@2009heyhow]

@@secret222 Oh they know. Many hacks in the US and Europe come from China. That could all be a target practice until they have enough experience to shut down an entire country like Taiwan. It's just not enough to put a country on it's knees because it will only be a matter of time before they're back online. So during such a nationwide hack a military invasion would still be needed to suppress the people. And also because guns can't be hacked, so fighting is stil inevitable. But hey, let's hope this will never happen.

[@PieMK6R]

2042! Baby

[@hourbee5535]

Taiwan number 1

[@cogs11]

Taiwan forever independent country and No 1

[@kentoyamazaki9626]

@@cogs11 One China, two systems.

[@aportfolio8324]

@@kentoyamazaki9626 found the wumao~

[@upvotecomment2110]

@@kentoyamazaki9626 Chinese troll Enjoying our freedom of speech? shameful isn't it?

[@cogs11]

@@kentoyamazaki9626 One china, one system. Don't be greedy, you already get hong kong

[@alexdenton6586]

Not only is it a Chinese-style democracy, but the Taiwanese people I met were extremely nice and it was a very pleasant experience. They also manufacture some of the best hardware I've been using Asus gaming PCs for many years and I've never been disappointed with the quality. After is it at the same level as the Japanese hardware as with the cars I am not sure but in any case I have never been disappointed

[@than217]

10:50 probably the worst headline you could ever post on April 1st.

[@kuantinglin3748]

This is Taiwan’s “Silicon Shield Defense”

[@seanh.2559]

阿共跟美美说：好吧，台积电归你，台湾归我。win-win!!

[@veryinterestingpersonaliti8321]

@@seanh.2559 ChiNa WuHan Virus

[@erwinrommel8042]

@@seanh.2559 xinnie the pooh

[@dukenukem3dgaming]

@@seanh.2559 朋友是一个坚韧不拔的纪录片， 在香港这座城市的设置。 主演：钱德勒 索罗斯 傅博斯1 瑞秋 莫妮卡 和一些其他他妈的演员。朋友是一个坚韧不拔的纪录片， 在香港这座城市的设置。 主演：钱德勒 索罗斯 傅博斯1 瑞秋 莫妮卡 和一些其他他妈的演员。 中国是一个解放的国家。 中国是一个伟大的国家。 中国是一个万物都是完美的国家。 中国是我们最接近天堂的地方 不相信我？ 这是为什么。 我咳嗽很多，但我不具有传染性。 政府已经照顾这种病毒非常好。 天安门广场什么都没有发生 我们没有被审查。 我们可以自由发言了 我们喜欢统治者。 我们没做错什么 我还没有失去我的社会信用。 我是社会的一个正常运作的成员。 统治者是最伟大的！ 我喜欢统治者 统治者是众所周知的。 香港的抗议活动并不存在。 每个人都喜欢这个国家！ 包括那些没有经历过我们国家充满荣耀的dirty脏外人。 我为生活在这个国家感到自豪。 我不能离开我的祖国 我是这个国家正常运作的一员，但你是?？ 我愿意为这个国家牺牲所有的人性 我不能说什么不好的关于我的国家，或者我失去了我的家人。 但我的国家比我的家人更好！ 我会为这个国家做任何事 我为我的国家感到骄傲。 中国是最重要的！ 我爱你，中国。 这不是propoganda，因为我爱中国这么多。 中国第一！

[@joaoyang1718]

@@veryinterestingpersonaliti8321 Condolence for lost of your family members in pandemic.

[@brennencox516]

9:55 The CCP/PRC and the US have already been rather directly involved in war. The Korean war.

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

They called their force to be "volunteers" even though they were not.

[@oxdevil]

@MOHAMMED IDREES When US troops wanted to set up shop infant of your border ( thousands of miles away from USA ) , do you simply do NOTHING and wait for the enemy to shower missiles on your land ? BTW, even when CHINA was weak and super poor in 1950s, Chinese army defeated and kicked the US+French+UN troops out of Korea Vietnam ... NOW imagine a 50times RICHER and STRONGER CHINA in 2021... with nuclear bombs and missiles just as accurate n destructive as the US... China had seen millions of her people died in the hands of invading troops ( USA FRENCH ENGLISH JAPANESE GERMAN AUSTRIAN AUSTRALIAN..1840-1900s) , yet CHINA bounced back with FULL FORCE n 1.4Billions, if both USA n CHINA have to lose 300millions each of their citizens in a deadly conflict, guess who will bounce back STRONG in 30 yrs ( as history showed)...CHINA has been world super power since 2600 Before Christ .. only 18002-1900s weak n corrupted Ching Dynasty ( btw these are NOT the true Chinese HAN ) allowed the west to bully n invade.

[@sunmock]

@@oxdevil Taiwan > China

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

@@oxdevil look up how many died on each side

[@jackl2257]

@@Nathan-jh1ho doesn’t matter

[@qiensong7621]

It would be better if you could explain how the KMT, the ROC government that fought communists for 6 decades, has now become CCP friendly

[@s9673309]

Because the old KMTer does think China is the motherland, they also take a lot of benefit by praising the CCP.

[@windseekervideo]

@@s9673309 事情應該是沒那麼簡單，好比說，李登輝當總統的時候國民黨親中嗎？

[@Accomplished_Loans]

They are friendlier toward CCP than DPP, but not exactly CCP friendly.

[@qiensong7621]

@@Accomplished_Loans You haven’t seen people like Hung Hsiu Chu lol

[@rooster-zg4oo]

Same reason the US started working with communist china..money. a market with over a billion people.

[@pt20829]

I appreciate the neutrality of the presenters, providing viewers straightforward facts without any insinuations or bias. Thank you.

[@ranilabeyasinghe]

Yep, that is a rare sight nowadays.

[@斯卡蕾特芙兰朵露-x1i]

The real history is that the aborigines were slaughtered by the Japanese, and there was a movie called Warriors of the Rainbow: Seediq Bal where the aborigines rebelled against Japan in Taiwan. It is a pity that the aborigines of Taiwan now have their political status today because they support the Democratic Progressive Party, so they betray their ancestors.

[@pt20829]

@@斯卡蕾特芙兰朵露-x1i Thank you for this piece of info. So little is known of the 原住民。

[@joshj6615]

10 years ago Taiwan was the bargaining-chip between United States and China. 10 years later China said Taiwan is not a bargaining-chip anymore but Taiwan said we want to be the bargaining-chip. To Save Our Economy, Ditch Taiwan ----nytimes

[@tyh9206]

@@joshj6615 so funny, isn't it?!

[@NowAndToEternity]

*John Cena has left the chat* lol

[@levelazn]

john Cena is an honorary chinese citizen

[@erpizzaiol5457]

John Sino

[@binodgrg070]

John Xina

[@introverteddawg9805]

Xuang Xina.

[@0x0michael]

Zhong Xina

[@arlenreyes4283]

I just want a gpu at a decent price, ty

[@levelazn]

learn chinese then

[@peacechan4500]

@@levelazn so much for diplomacy

[@jennychuang808]

You are the most honest people here

[@be-jib]

@@levelazn which is more chinese, cantonese or mandarin

[@ziljin]

@@be-jib most of China and Taiwan speak Mandarin. Hong Kong, Guangzhou speak Cantonese. Overseas Chinese communities speak Mandarin or Cantonese depending on where they migrated from. But in long run Mandarin will be more useful as less people speak Cantonese.

[@Eggsie395]

China: It’s mine *threatens with a invasion* US: Its mine *threatens with defending it* Taiwan: So uhhh…nice weather we got eh?

[@Anglo-Brit]

The U.S. does not support Taiwan independence..

[@enriquepowers]

@@Anglo-Brit Same goes to China

[@Anglo-Brit]

@@enriquepowers No China does not recognize it, there is a difference.

[@mclovin6537]

@@Anglo-Brit when you said “not” for some reason Borat’s voice came into my head.

[@MindWaveShort]

So they are canadinese???

[@whi1e]

TW and HK demonstrators occupied the local government buildings for weeks.... when it came to the US, the veteran lady trying to enter the building was shot immediately in Capitol Hill

[@KRYMauL]

That's because in the US in order to storm the capital it's perceived as an attack and is treated as an act of Civil War by the party.

[@mingkao1]

Most of people in Taiwan supported democratic student movement in 2014. Furthermore, the speaker of Taiwan Congress didn't call police to move peaceful student protesters out because he knew that public opinion was on the student's side. American riot people stormed into the Congress building, some of them carried weapon and one Congress police officer was killed by the riot people. Riot people are considered as a group of fringe people who didn't want to accept the lawful results of a fair presidential election.

[@斯卡蕾特芙兰朵露-x1i]

@@mingkao1 No, the demonstrators in Taiwan and Hong Kong were manipulated by cia

[@bloyblin1976]

Taiwan: I’m China. China: No, I’m China!! Taiwan: OK fine! I’m Taiwan then. China: NO!! You are China! Taiwan: ……

[@krxknz]

Exactly!

[@taiwanisacountry]

No. That is a dramatical oversimplification of the real issue here. When we talk about Taiwan there are a official narrative. And an unofficial narrative. Officially, Taiwan does not have an embassy in the US. Unofficially, Taiwan does have an embassy in the US. Officially Taiwan can not go back on the "one China principle" because that will provoke Xi Jinping, to an extend that might push away unofficial, and official allies of Taiwan. Since they might see that, as Taiwan forcing the PRC's hand. At this moment it is import to show the world what the PRC does, without pressuring them, without forcing their hand. Then the blame is easy to give, and it is really easy to support the victim. But unofficially, Taiwan is Taiwan. Unofficially the PRC does not even try to pretend to be in control of Taiwan.

[@jjhe1121]

so why not change the name Republic of China to Republic of Taiwan

[@Athrunwong]

@@jjhe1121 That would meant Taiwan had to gain independence… Both political party in taiwan + China won’t allowed that. In fact, the independence ploy has been a consistent ploy to win elections, but after the election, no one would even dare try that.

[@陳嘉宇-y4q]

@@Athrunwong As a Taiwanese , that’s a fact , national independence is just a bait for votes , cause no one dare to broke the retained balance

[@rusitoexplorador]

The narrator sounds like a combination of the economics Explained and the B1M guy

[@WigneyR]

That Aussie accent for ya

[@khayangoma9064]

TRUEEEEEEEEEEE

[@asimpleguy2730]

I see, a man of culture

[@amoghus]

@LIDONG ZHANG ?

[@Excellent135]

@LIDONG ZHANG how's the freedom from the great firewall doing for ya? Oh right, you're on CCP's payroll.

[@NooBasTank-xXx]

"With the U.S. in the middle, China and Taiwan have avoided war for more than seven decades." This quote potentially became the joke of century.

[@盛鹤翔]

avoid been problem solved

[@f.b.lagent1113]

what is the joke?

[@kajcheechannel698]

It is not a joke without US Taiwan will be force just like Hong Kong.

[@isyakaadamu4396]

+:2:3:4:8:1:3:9:7:4:6:4:5:6 whatzzp him.

[@MrLangam]

If USA didn't interfere, the civil war would have ended decades ago.

[@lattsrazzi450]

By Beijing or the UN. And those who recognise Taiwan - recognise it as the government of all of China not as a separate country

[@Ethan-rw7ub]

This is true, but Taipei is also locked into a stalemate. On one hand, giving up claims to territories would be a sin too great for any government to bear. Not to mention the high possibility of Beijing interpreting this as a declaration of independence and launching a military intervention in response. On the other hand, not giving up claims to Mainland China would obscure Taiwan's individuality and continue to tie Taipei to Beijing's affairs. There is no easy way out. Edit: typo

[@sundaymiroslav3075]

lol are you dreaming？

[@thelaurens1996]

The chuckles at 12:25 are the real life equivalent of the "I'm in danger" meme

[@Ethan-rw7ub]

Yes hahaha. As a Taiwanese I completely understand that feeling. Whatcha gonna do, right?🤷‍♂️

[@countvladious7805]

What? I dont see any chuckle

[@tvtvvtvt8017]

"We'll all die in a great fiery conflagration the likes of which has never been seen in the history of earth." [nervous laughter]

[@thelaurens1996]

@@countvladious7805 it's more like 12:15 Give that a try.

[@magicalhats]

Peaceful transitions of power. Seems like when Democracy was introduced to Taiwan, the people loved it.

[@metrofilmer8894]

Yep. It sounds like even 85 years ago when the mainland was controlled by the ROC, they quite liked it

[@properuser]

Chinese Communist party sucks

[@jackl2257]

Hahahahahahh if only that was the case

[@mikelbrenn111]

Democracy is what scares the ccp which are controlled by the elites and their families.

[@eq5353]

@@mikelbrenn111 feed me with more sources

[@xanderrednaxx]

Hi from Taiwan!! We really appreciate the support from everyone out there

[@darkhumour.9218]

Ignoring political view! We people love u all! Hope u all are safe🙌

[@xanderrednaxx]

@@darkhumour.9218 thanks u too!!!

[@brian.z6592]

If the U.S. really want to assist Taiwan, then please establish a formal diplomatic relationship with the Republic of China.

[@Cadian045]

That could very well spark a war between the US and China. It would be a lot better if we simply said that any hostile action towards Taiwan is an attack on the US and end the ambiguity

[@brian.z6592]

@@Cadian045 This suggestion wouldn't make sense. Because the U.S. will never defend a country/region which has no official diplomatic relationship. And it's too danger to send troops near the Taiwan strait during a war. Although China's weapons are not th e most advanced, but the quantity is massive.

[@tornadochaser7226]

The USA along with its allies should all recognise Taiwan

[@n.e.g.u.s]

Brian Z Correct. Even Sweden recognized Vietnam but never sent troops to defend it throughout warfare. Only going so far as providing arms to Vietcong and asylum to American draft dodgers.

[@bakerstreet101]

better just to abolish the Republic of China

[@JahtheJuggernaut]

Lol. The U.S. has its eye on Taiwan, and China has its eye on the U.S. They both seem to be preparing for whatever’s next

[@iamgreat1234]

Every war with East Asian after the Korean War always ended in failure for the west

[@silverhost9782]

@@iamgreat1234 The west has also won dozens of wars against East Asia. I wouldn't put too much stock into any of that though

[@mikebacchus5421]

US didn't win any war on it's own but drum up help from many countries called it's allies.

[@Chrischi4598]

@@mikebacchus5421 that might be correct but remember how many allies the US has in the Region. Taiwan, Japan and South Korea are absolute set. But you also got Vietnam, the Philippines and India who certainly become closer to the US too

[@Robertthachickenwrangler]

@@mikebacchus5421 and China got absolutely annihilated by the Japanese the us will just bring them in

[@ngoray]

❤️🌹 Taiwan we love you 🌷🙏😊☮️

[@heartbeat8960]

Buy a gun and fly to Taiwan instead of BIBI online

[@jiangnorman]

"With the U.S. in the middle, China and Taiwan have avoided war for more than seven decades. " No, not really more than seven decades. US 7th fleet did interrupted the PRC to end Chinese Civil War, but they did not stopped the ROC to raid mainland China coast in the 1950s. PRC/ROC shelled between islands of Kinmen and the Matsu Islands along the east coast of mainland China till late 1970s. And Taiwan coast guards killed mainland fisherman in 1990s. And, the trouble and risk has always been, the US interrupted China's internal affair.

[@HhH55688]

The most interesting part is the change of KMT's stance. KMT lost the civil war and retreated to Taiwan. Ever since, KMT saw CCP an enemy and competed with CCP for the name of China. In 1990s, after the end of military war, KMT gradually changed its stance and became more friendly to CCP. The reason is, unlike DPP sees TW a independent country, KMT regarded China Mainland as part of Taiwan under ROC (which is ridiculous nowadays but still written in TW Constitution) which is actually similar to CCP's view of TW (Taiwan is part of China under CCP). The summary of the above story: "The deeper the love, the deeper the hate". LOL

[@pauldirac3203]

ROC even include Mongolia🇲🇳, to be part of china

[@thunderboltlightning6010]

Nah, KMT being more friendly to CCP was largely because of the economy benefit of closer ties to China. By the 90s it was apparent that China is going to be a supper economic powerhouse, Taiwan just cannot afford to be left out. The Democratic Progressive Party's stance on the issue, however, is more of ideological in nature.

[@MrLiupengfei]

@@thunderboltlightning6010 DPP is just a joke, corrupt, lie about everything every day, shut down tv channels, use "race"(even though most taiwanese are from mainland china, so the same race) card to separate people etc. It's litteraly a neo nazy party elected by brain washed people like Germany in 1930s.

[@chinogambino9375]

The KMT make no sense.

[@ShadowPhoenixMaximus]

@@thunderboltlightning6010 I bet the bribes certainly helped KMT officials to see the CCP in a positive light

[@Utube1024]

Taiwan need to fight for Independence no other way round.

[@gamelandmaster3680]

But how? Legitimately asking, how would one do that with a nation of around 1.5 billion people?

[@denisrichu5697]

Okay, 20 million vs 1.5 billion..Any chance of winning?

[@MrWaheedulHaque]

Just relax china, enjoy peace and happiness

[@walden6272]

"They said China is the threat, but America is doing all the killing."

[@waloysius8054]

Plz tell that to the U.S and its allies, tell them not to intervent in others' affairs. Regardless of taiwan, middle east and south china sea are all over ten thousand kilometers away from the U.S.

[@jasons4045]

please tell US to cut off half of it's military bases all over the world. there are like 900 of them lol

[@starboysuniverse9956]

all lot od chinesse bots i see well done CCP you banned youtube but give your trolls access

[@thomasbrennan1038]

I don’t understand it, they could have peace etc, but they instead chose to invade Taiwan which they don’t really need to do. I also think the us is 100% in the right by defending Taiwan.

[@sybil3716]

"before he steps down, whenever that may be". When he dies.

[@sybil3716]

@Happy yes, 1.4 billion Chinese have only one voice, how not strange is that! how magical!

[@jayoh123]

@Happy your such a sheep of the ccp its pathetic

[@sybil3716]

@@jayoh123 apparently he is quite proud actually

[@sybil3716]

@Happy On top of everything, we love humanity. And btw, patriotism is nothing like worshipping a party or a person. Don't mix them up, that's dangerous

[@sybil3716]

@Happy You can love someone, yet still be aware of her shortcomings and it should be totally fine to point them out. When a party does not allow criticism from its people, that's what a dictator is and that's why it is dangerous. Of course patriotism is sth we should advocate. However, Americans can point fingers at its own president while still call themselves patriots, can Chinese do that? Have you seen the difference?

[@loganbenner1846]

Thomas Jefferson Quotes "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

[@TheSiprianus]

@luna66 Have you done any research of how he got those slaves, what was his opinion on slavery, what he did for slaves, especially when you realized that his jurisdiction is one of the first IN THE WORLD to ban slavery? This is the kind of person from 'peaceful protest' in portland, and being protected as a resident of 'summer of love' CHOP in seattle while tearing down statues of great figures. It is indeed ironic because the tree of liberty is always start to get stained and smudged by people who are ignorant of history like you. You should learn what 'ironic' means.

[@Kratorious69]

@@TheSiprianus It couldn't be more true. He also was one of our greats who helped Author and sign the Declaration of Independence. Only thee most important document in our nation's history.

[@BigMuskachini]

​@luna66 Alright and slavery is still a thing in many parts of the world, the western world was first to abolish it.

[@draem01]

@John joseph Corona pathetic

[@MrHigherplane]

liberty is tyranny

[@Ben-ih8fh]

2:43 "Very few resources". Interesting statement as I don't think you have either read the history about the civil war or have some interesting opinions about poor. When fled to Taiwan, Chiang Kai Shek, the KMT took pretty much all the gold available of the mainland with them. What left in the mainland China back then was the real poverty. Taiwan is just a bargaining chip for the US to leverage China's development. Will the US really help Taiwan if civil way breaks again? Most likely yes, just like how they recently helped Trinidad and Tobago by donating vaccines.

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

Ben about very few resources even in 1980 the gdp per capita ppp figures for taiwan is less than the raw gdp of indonesia today of course indonesia in ppp terms has something like 10k gdp per capita ppp

[@forbeginnersandbeyond6089]

Ben. That's propaganda.

[@imjustbeinghonest1301]

I keep hearing Biden harping about rule based. Can anyone be kind enough to tell me what are the rules?

[@jaredspencer3304]

One example: many countries, including China, signed an agreement on what constitutes your territorial waters. China found a map (the nine-dash line map) that says "whoa, all of the South China Sea belongs to us!" This is in violation of the agreement that they signed. The Philippines sued China in international court, China lost, and then refuses to abide by the ruling. This is just one of many examples.

[@mtljin]

US and other colonial powers wrote the "rules" decades ago and use it as a cudgel to beat minorities with while not following it themselves.

[@vinny7114]

@@mtljin Not really, China chose to sign the agreement, while planning not to honor it or abide by it.

[@lulu-et2lx]

@@jaredspencer3304 😅It’s okay for you to say that, but if you have studied geography and history, you should know that Guam is an unofficial territory of the United States. If you look at Hawaii and Bikini Island, you should shut up. If you can support Taiwan’s independence today, some people may support Hawaii’s independence, Guam’s independence, and Northern Ireland’s independence tomorrow. If you don’t even understand the history of the relevant area, then don’t give pointers to a certain place.

[@bobojr456]

the rules the US makes and chooses to adhere to when it wants to.

[@lucysluckyday]

Yes TSMC holds all the world's most advanced photolithography masks on site there (I can't say much more or my comments get removed by google). When you have the masks you have the IP for all the world's top tech companies.

[@zg_rq]

TMCS belongs to america 🇺🇸

[@eastsouth9548]

which they imported from the Netherlands? The USA is stopping China from getting lithography machines from the Netherlands. cool.

[@TrustInTheShepherd]

@@eastsouth9548 ASML builds EUV machines, they don't build the masks used by EUV machines.

[@sgt.briskee9313]

This is American youtube not beta chinatube. It's no secret TSMC has the most advanced photolithography, anyways youtube does not remove much comments; It's called freedom of speech.

[@renumihai5263]

xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa, TSMC doesn't build tech, the tech is bought from EU company named ASML (privat company), TSMC is nothing without ASML; even today US still bride ASML to not sell tech to China, China know that can't develop this to catch with the market, so they need to buy it

[@KC-qw8cs]

thank you for reporting our country❤️

[@salaheryo]

NOT country but Taiwan province.

[@luckcharlie1]

呱呱呱，台蛙找到了存在感。真有尊严的人根本不会在乎别人怎么看自己。

[@fateavaraccus6563]

Taiwan is a province of China

[@to3sted248]

@@salaheryo How is it the province of China when the Chinese government doesn’t even have control on the island??? 🤦‍♂️

[@verbinski3195]

@@salaheryo more like an independent sovereign country

[@jimflagg4009]

USA just needs to bite the bullet and recognize Taiwan as a country. I know that China will close us out of their markets as a result but if we are in a Cold Trade War with them then we need to feel the pain. It is time we get out of our comfort zone with China. Start moving our trade and factories to other countries.

[@WhatHappenedIn-vt3vq]

President Biden should have enough experience to know how to negotiate it with China too. We don't want to permanently leave China because they provide so much cheap skilled labor and they don't want us too leave because they rely on us for so much of resources, therefore it would he cheaper for both of us to make concessions with each other

[@Thekoryosmenstribepodcast]

We are going to war with China. I really wish people would wake up. China alone cannot take us. But: Iran North Korea Russia Iraq Pakistan China They would anhialate us. Wake up

[@jimflagg4009]

@@AndorranStairway Texas does not have their own Military and federal programs like Taiwan has but if they did I don't think we would go to war with Texas. You would have to have a large group of states break away and attack the old USA before that would happen.

[@jimflagg4009]

@@AndorranStairway If they broke away then they would not be allowed to vote for the USA. They would only vote for their local government. Also, Texas for a while was its own country.

[@jimflagg4009]

@@AndorranStairway Don't forget that the southern state of the USA broke away in the late 1800's and for a while nothing happened until the Confederates attacked Fort Sumter.

[@nick4039]

Support Tawian no matter what. They need our support. long live democracy

[@ErikS-]

Some of these Bloomberg short-form documentaries are real gems.

[@kapsig10]

Independent Taiwan 🇹🇼 🗽

[@user-vv7ir1pl4j]

Never

[@edgardebruin8398]

it already is independent

[@narutokami4]

OK don't use the Chinese flag 🇹🇼 again then

[@YukarioMashimato]

Key fact is the communist never ruled Taiwan.

[@ZhemingChen-r6h]

But the Jiang dictatorship did.

[@terryli3685]

the key fact is Japan invaded china and that includes Taiwan.

[@cungcung5042]

True, but China does

[@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234]

@@ZhemingChen-r6h Better than Communism

[@edwardsnowden8821]

The capitalists of south Korea never ruled North Korea either, yet you see the US supporting the idea that the entire peninsula would come under south Korean rule if the Communists in North Korea collapse. US supported Taiwan (roc) as the real China for decades, now imagine for me the Communists lost and retreated to the island, both sides claim to be the true china do you really think the USA will allow this communist Taiwan under mao Zedong survive?.

[@mikew8983]

Is it just me or did we all just come to see the comment section

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

ikr

[@jennifersun2638]

nobody in the West has any influence except for the US,if America is ambigeous about the issue,dont expect the EU to change either.

[@djfhsusbruh6698]

Just one thing that I don't want to happen is - "US placing nukes in Taiwan."

[@biggraphic_]

Hi

[@Lonewolf-hn3fi]

The taiwan missile crisis.

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

actually the us doesnt need that it has missiles in japan if im not mistaken also south korea too they could launch them at any time to beijing

[@unhingedninja8565]

Lol that would be fun But I don't think anyone is gonna risk nuclear war for a tiny island lol I don't think the USA will risk that even for Japan

[@3markaw]

Do you live on the mainland ? Nukes in Taiwan are exactly what is needed. US does not need to supply them . Taiwan is plenty capable of making their own. China had no problem helping N. Korea become a nuclear power in order to deter democracy from the much more successful south spreading north. I see absolutely no reason why the same rules should not apply to the country of Taiwan. America's policy needs to stop being so weak when it comes to dictatorships and authoritarian regimes. Pretty soon the whole Pacific ocean will be claimed by China thanks to the sissy's who are afraid to stand up for freedom.

[@YABBAHEY1]

Simple, If Taiwan manages to solve the world's semiconductor shortage & invents an affordable GPU for gamers then Bob's your uncle. They'll be able to purchase the largest military defense net in the world.

[@MissAivedor]

it’s very disgusting to describe Japan’s invasion and colonialism in Taiwan as ‘help’ . Feel like people begging another country for invasion. just look at how they treated PAWs from other countries included the US. Can’t believe Bloomberg can be this low. Maybe your guys need to find a real historian next time.

[@gregorycrewdson4533]

Just political tool, Japan is a American dog now, so whatever Japanese empire done doesn't matter, it's not a secret that war criminals who worked on biological and chemical weapons after World War II were acquitted and joined related groups in the United States.

[@yiwu9968]

It is a new type of view invented recently. They put China, Japan, Netherland on the same position as the ‘external occupants’ of the island. Very disgusting.

[@william3951]

However, the party who controls the right to speak can propaganda anything to people freely. It’s also ridiculous that they talked ROC started with poor resources in Taiwan island, actually most gold and treasure were taken by ROC government.

[@christopherkeller6367]

As part of reparations for coronavirus, China should recognize Taiwan as an independent state.

[@simony276]

Another WMD spinning 😵‍💫(normally thieves yelling for thieves )

[@russelfang7434]

As compensation for the development of Corona virus, the US should grant Hawaii independence:(

[@meejinhuang]

Taiwan is now the world's leader in producing advanced low nm microchips. If any conflict were to happen, an even worse microchip shortage will occur. China can't make the latest low nm microchips and won't be able to for decades, even with their best effort.

[@misterdd7239]

So much for globalisation, it only works when its in your favor, other than that...NATIONAL SECURITY!!!! rofl.

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

misterD lol its called strategy the problem is that CHINA WANTS TO INVADE that is a national security threat by logic because the us needs those sweet chips

[@pingdeedee]

Japanese has the similar declaration in 1980s when they invented RAM, memory chips. Where are they now?

[@shawnchong]

China can't even make a building that doesn't sway and possibly collapse (SEG Plaza, Shenzhen)!!!

[@bernardochill2535]

U stil in dreamland dude

[@JakeGyllenhaal123]

百靈果教徒簽到🇹🇼

[@user-vv7ir1pl4j]

我们是中国人!!! 🇨🇳

[@mata4856]

签到签到

[@charliehsu0222]

@Xandrew Xandrew 科普一下：台灣自古不屬於中華人民共和國

[@charliehsu0222]

百靈果教徒是什麼？

[@LiuRambo]

台灣信徒報到！

[@gizroc]

Protect taiwan at all cost

[@zzzxz4739]

You first

[@gadzadhamgaacaan8488]

You are the cost

[@gizroc]

@@gadzadhamgaacaan8488 what does that even mean

[@thethirdman225]

Including nuclear war? Sorry. No.

[@gizroc]

@@thethirdman225 umm china has threatened Australia japan and America with nuclear weapons. I dont want war. But if we need to posture than go for it.

[@jonduong8331]

The US along with Great Britain, France and Russia Voted and Expelled Taiwan out of the UN in 1971. UN Resolution # 2758!

[@xiampiii]

“Is Taiwan part of China?” US: “maaaaybe?”

[@tomhanks4560]

The answer depends on US interest at that moment. In 1979, the answer was yes. At this moment, it is maybe depending on what mainland China can offer.

[@chrisronald2856]

@@tomhanks4560 not exactly, with time it’s will be totally depend how China wants to do it since US can’t afford a war with China, that will be the end of the whole world.

[@holiay2412]

@@tomhanks4560 presently, the Chinese could provide excellent technology, powerful military force and better internal situations.

[@Kuolonen]

"They have not attempted to take Taiwan by military force" Somebody needs to look up 1st and 2nd Taiwan strait crisis.

[@诡雅异俗]

you dont know

[@amusementpark6094]

To young folks in Taiwan: don’t bet on absolute help from overseas. The only way out is to keep the status quo and leave it to time.

[@bloyblin1976]

The problem now is China is trying to change the status quo…

[@chrisronald2856]

@@bloyblin1976 Taiwan change the status first so CCP response it, looks like it gonna last a while.

[@laraw840]

@@bloyblin1976 What did they do to try to change the status quo?

[@damonchan192]

The only way out is to surrender

[@damonchan192]

@@laraw840 in 1996 the president of Taiwan LiDengHui declare independence

[@nwg5004]

If the NBA taught me anything about China…

[@kungfujoe2136]

true that

[@崔莱]

It SHOULD teach you that if you want to make money from China, you gotta make your customers there happy.

[@echeng5722]

At 2:30, the video clearly states that Taiwan is a result of the ROC fleeing to the island during the Civil War. And in the later part, it was mentioned that the US stepped in to block the CCP from finishing the war and taking control of the island (ie the cause of the political limbo now). There was no independence declared, ever. The US acknowledges this too. Otherwise, this video would have clearly said so. Then throughout the rest of the video, they kept saying "invade Taiwan". How does one invade one's own territory? If Hawaii breaks away due to Civil War and USA wants to unify it, are they going to say "invade" too?

[@崔莱]

The language was correct, in English "invasion" simply means an advancement of troops, even in a civil war this word is used.

[@cdragon88]

As an American, Hawaii ain't going no where but, to answer your question in theoretical terms---if Hawaii did break away from US control, then yes, we would be invading them to seize control back. IF Taiwan was, indeed, considered and IS part of China---there would be no discussion on the subject matter. End of story period. However because it is not fully acknowledged/denied/or declared on what Taiwan is--as in relation to China--it is correct to use the term invading.

[@崔莱]

@@cdragon88 Taiwan is unambiguously part of China, heck, their official name is the Republic of *China*. This is a non issue.

[@cdragon88]

@@崔莱 that's not the Taiwanese president says however, according to the video.

[@崔莱]

@@cdragon88 Where in the video did their "President" claim that the official name of the government isn't the ROC? Please give a timestamp.

[@JUSTONLYUUU]

I love TAIWAN🇹🇼

[@sakura7431]

But you are using a Chinese flag emoji....

[@nope6908]

@@sakura7431 🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼

[@sakura7431]

@@nope6908 thank you for supporting the 1928 national revolution of China.

[@JUSTONLYUUU]

@@sakura7431 🇹🇼=110 age 🇨🇳=72 age (⁎⁍̴̛ᴗ⁍̴̛⁎)？？？

[@sakura7431]

@@JUSTONLYUUU CN(ROC)=110 CN(PRC)=72 TW=0 Your mistake is taking TW and ROC as the same thing. they are not the same.

[@steveowen7475]

This will be the flashpoint...... Taiwan has the finest chip capability China want 5hat expertise..... Taiwan it's chips from a phone to a fridge to a strike f35 aircraft.........China would love to have backdoor capabilities and that's the gold nugget

[@bloyblin1976]

What’s interesting is China’s aircraft to invade Taiwan also uses chips made in Taiwan.

[@herbertant4096]

@@bloyblin1976 lol, the China's hypocrisy

[@sunusibalamuhammad3901]

@@bloyblin1976 Us Aircraft to incVade China also uses chips made in taiwan

[@dznuts123]

yeah but if you give china a few decades, they will lead the world with semiconductors... the amount of resources available to the mainland is simply incomparable to the minuscule amount in taiwan.

[@overlordborn6131]

@@dznuts123 Yeah, china SMIC is already coming close, now it's capable of producing 7nm chip.

[@coolsimone9050]

I feel like an average American already sees Taiwan as its own. Nobody calls Taiwan China when mentioning it

[@SoundsSilver]

And yet many “Chinese Americans” are from Taiwan

[@VashtheStampede007]

Just like how average Americans see Canada.

[@SoundsSilver]

@@VashtheStampede007 ?? I think you misread the post dude. They’re saying Taiwan is its own country. Obviously Canada is too.

[@VashtheStampede007]

@SoundsSilver , Nope. I don’t think you get it. Taiwan’s official name is Republic of China, which was established in mainland Chinese city of Nanking in 1912 by Dr. Sun Yat San. Taiwan is just the name of island. Basically the government there is the former regime of all of China. With US intervention, they were able to hold it. Taiwan was even in the UN as CHiNA until 1971 when votes kicked them out. It is still in their constitution that mainland China belongs to them. They also fly the same flag which was used in all of China. Taiwan’s largest airline is China Airline. Taiwan’s ID says Republic of China, Taiwan Province. Taiwan’s auto license plates say “Taiwan Province”. When the current president took office, she bowed to a huge photo of Dr. Sun Yat San. It was filmed. Go look for it. One of their territories, Kinmen Island is just 3km off mainland China’s Fujian Province. The ID issued in Kinmen says “Republic of China, Fujian Province, Kinmen County”.

[@kelly51633]

8:24 百靈果教徒簽到 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

[@hycco5409]

教徒👌🏻

[@Beeeeeeear]

👌👌🏻👌🏼👌🏽👌🏾👌🏿

[@NorthaHuang]

教徒簽到! 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

[@sabrinared8883]

👌🏻

[@jimmyhuang6475]

簽👌🏻

[@wahibyusuf]

TSMC: Want Some Chips With That?

[@GOTHICA1999]

BF4 Online Players be like: We've been training for years let's do this. It's time for Taiwan to get a nice dose of FREEDOM. 🎇 🇺🇸🦅🍔☕🥤🎸💪🇺🇸🎆

[@GOTHICA1999]

@Sofa Kinstupeed I'm from California bro

[@thunderbolt4451]

@Sofa Kinstupeed the taliban would like to talk to u

[@prime_optimus]

@Sofa Kinstupeed Vietnam.

[@lame835]

I vote for California go independent then lol

[@lame835]

freedom? u mean became US's puppet and sign to US absurd laws?

[@andresd4464]

Taiwan is such a beautiful country

[@拉肚子的彩虹马]

Country？

[@1cecreampize197]

Blyatiful

[@wokk9543]

@@拉肚子的彩虹马 yes. country

[@dingyipu9372]

Your logic and history are weird.

[@ilshyf]

One thing lacks completely in this otherwise well-made summary of China-Taiwan-US relationship. This is that in 1990, KMT and CCP reached an agreement named 'ONE CHINA POLICY' in Singapore. KMT uses this agreement in domestic affair to mainly keep silent its biggest political rival, Democratic Progressive party and its followers and to manage the supports from the refugees population who still claim the reconquest of Mainland China - which becomes impossible.

[@Ethan-rw7ub]

Careful now. It's 「一個中國、各自表述」, which translates to “both sides recognize there is only one China, but *_agree to differ on its definition_* ”. This definiion, to the CCP, is of course that the PRC owns sovereignty over all peviously-owned territories of the ROC (including Taiwan). On the other hand, Taipei understood this as reconfirming the ROC's position of being the only legitimate government of the Greater China region. It's basically an agreement with no agreement. It's just word games. Edit: add bold italics to text

[@tywinlannister8999]

West Taiwan belongs to Taiwan

[@Ethan-rw7ub]

@@tywinlannister8999 But what's west of Westeros?

[@tywinlannister8999]

@@Ethan-rw7ub More of West Taiwan. 🤣🤣

[@Ethan-rw7ub]

@@tywinlannister8999 I see. So Westeros is also an inseparable part of West Taiwan.

[@salmaaktar2547]

Long live Taiwan from Bangladsh.

[@BigBoiBalu]

TSMC RUNS THE WORLD. without it we all go back to the dark ages.

[@sciuresci1403]

Without it the chip prices go up and go down once other companies fill in their role. Semi conductors aren't a type of natural resource that's dependent on location.

[@tellershen]

1. US can be friendly to authoritarian government when it serves US interests, as US supported KMT from 1940s-1980s; 2. The ambiguous message sent by US is the mixed interest of that one group of people want to making money from mainland China, and other group of people what to sell guns to Taiwan.

[@崔莱]

tbh on your first point, PRC was MORE democratic than Taiwan, in fact more democratic than the US for the longest time. PRC had universal suffrage since day one, the US didn't get that til the 60s, and Taiwan/ROC didn't get it till the 90s.

[@mboiko]

The problem isn't reunification...the problem is we are tied to China economically.

[@Der.Geschichtenerzahler]

The dark side of globalization. If TSMC falls, all big tech companies will be in a big trouble

[@mboiko]

@@Der.Geschichtenerzahler Big trouble...no doubt.

[@heinthuyahtet5081]

But what i know is Taiwan is a country. Love from Myanmar 🇲🇲

[@zhongyunyuan8232]

🤮

[@sanjeevkumar-ir3wq]

Boycott China 🇨🇳 Use Taiwan 🇹🇼 Products 💘 Love form India 🇮🇳 to Taiwan 🇹🇼❤

[@mitsoko]

🇺🇸🇮🇳❤️🇹🇼

[@sanjeevkumar-ir3wq]

@@mitsoko are you from Taiwan 🇹🇼

[@jvs333]

Laughable that the US of all countries has the gall to be telling any one to follow rules. This from the country that violates and dismisses any laws or rules when it suits their interest or agenda

[@jfyhou]

Asking if Taiwan is an independent country is like asking if 1 + 1 = 2. But of course, if people/countries are paid billions and trillions of dollars to say no, then many will say no. That is a sad truth.

[@ark9003]

你的国家和台湾建交了吗？你的国家承认台湾是国家吗

[@bunnyz2834]

No matter whatever u r dreaming of, but the reality is that Taiwan IS part of China.

[@ticktockbam]

@@ark9003 What?

[@ohrenaugenkatze_]

@@bunnyz2834 Under the same logic Poland is part of Germany cause we invaded it once 😑

[@bunnyz2834]

@@ohrenaugenkatze_ Poland IS a country officially, but Taiwan ISN'T independent yet. Just like almost half of people in Scotland regard themselves as Scottish rather than British, but the truth is that they r still British despite all the denials. Fact IS the fact!

[@dennyage4791]

If somehow China get successful in capturing Taiwan, this will be huge setback and humiliation for all democracies around the world !!

[@JeffBourke]

Why don’t China transition to democracy just the same as Taiwan? Taiwan did it successfully so why can’t China do the same? What’s wrong with them?

[@poplar6658]

@Happy Taiwan is a full democracy. China is authoritarian.

[@tannedpotato5375]

lol why the U.S doesn't go full communist then?

[@randied603]

US, Japan, UK: so there's this guy here in Asia...

[@No_Man_Is_An_Island]

Taiwan: "I am China!" China: "No, I am China!" Taiwan: "Ok, you are China!" China: "No, you are China!"

[@sarahlee8985]

Taiwan never say they are China. They say they are Japanese or Americans

[@alphestanley7194]

@@sarahlee8985 the country is legit called the republic of China. It’s on the passports wdym

[@sarahlee8985]

@@alphestanley7194 No Taiwanese dont agree.

[@alphestanley7194]

@@sarahlee8985 Taiwanese may not agree but it’s in the constitution

[@sarahlee8985]

@@alphestanley7194 I agree with you！But now this world doesnt work like that tho

[@snoopybrown2438]

Hopefully one day China is part of Taiwan perhaps? 🤣 Long live Taiwan, Long live democracy! 💪

[@willbandari1385]

Can that be a happy ending? No. The US will contain Taiwan instead and the new era of clash between Taiwan and the US will start.

[@snoopybrown2438]

@Jeremy Ling thank you. You should try it…🤣

[@snoopybrown2438]

@Jeremy Ling you simply cannot…🤣

[@deeprecce9852]

For now status quo seem ostensibly to be the best option. But people's opinion, society and politics will change! Our fervent hankering for serendipity is a testament for humanity incessant folly!

[@aijuny8503]

They know how to juggle different players to serve their best interests.

[@Nonelogic]

Nothing new here, but it’s nice to reinforce the information and have more recognize the issue. We, will defend our rights, what ever it may cost. This is a common acknowledgment among most Taiwanese.

[@Nonelogic]

@Tani J Yes, it will be all mankind’s tragedy if WWIII happens. Yes, China has been in a amazing rise, and I’m more than glad for the people. Now, I don’t see how defending my rights and my home will cause American lives directly. You’re saying that if China decides to occupy another country then the country that’s in threat should give up, because it might start WWIII or cause casualties of Americans. I don’t know what world you live in, but in mine that’s nonsense. Secondly, I have friends from China and I am very familiar with the how well some of them are doing, but it does not mean we should be ruled over. If that makes sense, then every country that is financially below average will be rushing to give up their nationality and join China; moreover, we are not below average as far as I’m concerned. I guess if they were a country of democracy, there’s no doubt that we get alone as strong allies or we would have merged long ago, unfortunately that is not the reality. Ps, There is more meaning in life than just financial needs.

[@jstasiak2262]

This is a very superficial, simple minded discussion about a very serious topic. Important considerations that were not discussed include: 1. Taiwan is a fundamental, core interest for the PRC and has been so for 71 years. No Chinese government can remain in power if Taiwan became an independent sovereign state. The backlash would be brutal and come from all quarters and would unify all of China for that purpose. 2. The only reason Mao didn’t conquer Taiwan in the 1950s is that the US Seventh Fleet impeded him from doing so. The US, in effect, prevented a formal resolution of the Chinese civil war and put it in abeyance. A final resolution of the Chinese civil war requires that one side (The PRC or Taiwan) defeat the other. 3. Taiwan is not going to defeat the PRC. The PRC will eventually and inevitably assimilate Taiwan. The only questions are when and under what conditions (i.e. peaceful via mutual consent v. bloodshed). 4. The American people will not tolerate a prolonged, bloody, expensive conflict with China over Taiwan. They have had enough with Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. 5. When China conquers Taiwan, the US officially becomes #2. That is because it would prove to the rest of the world that the US cannot defend its allies. This would precipitate a geopolitical realignment of Asian countries whereby alliances would flip in China’s favor. The result is that the US would be ejected from the Asia sphere of influence. 6. If China displaces the US, the dollar would no longer be the global reserve currency. The value of the dollar would fall and the US would no longer be able to pay its debts by printing money and will no longer be able to impose sanctions against countries it doesn’t like. Hyperinflation could very well ensue in the US. Serious consequences. With loose talk about Taiwan independence, you are playing with fire folks.

[@williamstark4135]

Objectively well said! This is what it is and what's going to happen.

[@vitaliibraslavets]

@@williamstark4135 Sure, just as Nazis who won ww2

[@SurajSinghTomarArya]

Didn't Trump recognize Taiwan just before leaving office ?

[@杜芬疏失博士]

We hope so,but it didn't happen

[@kieranmilner4208]

Probably tried to but Beijing Biden would of changed it but I am glass he acknowledged the camps in Tibet

[@杜芬疏失博士]

@@kieranmilner4208 The camps are in Xinjiang, not Tibet

[@PolarTw]

@@杜芬疏失博士 both lol, though they are done with purging tibet of any anti ccp

[@bangpitestea3889]

he did recognize Taiwan , as his stooges

[@someonenew439]

I think the US should fully recognize Taiwan in as many was as possible.

[@juanacevedo3772]

I think we should avoid a war with China. So if that means not recognizing an island than so be it. If we do overstep boundaries more than likely that means war. Which means national draft, economic downfall, major loss of lives, possibly nuclear war. Ww3 is not something I’m looking forward too

[@someonenew439]

@@juanacevedo3772 So the US should be a coward and back down. Peace through strength as Reagan would put it. We cannot have evil dictate the future course of life on this planet. The US is obligated to protect these people in Taiwan. If we don’t stop China there. They will walk all over the South Pacific. The US must make a stand. If war or a skirmish happens so be it. The United States cannot back down and be isolated like where where in ww2. Peace through strength needs to happen.

[@Ccb88888]

Taiwan and the mainland are 'one China', but it is the govt in Taipei, not Beijing, that is the legitimate govt of the whole of China.

[@nikichimoto]

Yes. I wonder why this isn’t stressed or harped as much as it should

[@IgorMgtowandVideoGames]

@Jeremy Ling going by your logic the same can be said about China which eliminated every ethnic group by going outside xia dynasty borders

[@IgorMgtowandVideoGames]

@Jeremy Ling America Eliminated and absorbed many tribal people living inside its borders the natives attacking peaceful settlers were troublesome. They attacked raided destroyed and looted american towns villages and settlements. America eventually elinimated. America Protected her land. see i can use your logic

[@fukinocube963]

不是南京？

[@rushikeshsisode1533]

Taiwan is a Core issue for China but for US taiwan is a peripheral issue. - Lee Kuan Yew

[@joelsu2336]

actually it's also a core issue for us.

[@okaythen001]

@@joelsu2336 How? pls elaborate.

[@leoyuanluo]

No, weapon and energy are the core issue for the US.

[@mrbattowel]

Taiwan needs to be seen in the same way as South Korea or West Germany.

[@somethinglikethisone6635]

As US wish, but can US be the lead to set up the diplomatic relationship with Taiwan first? And why wouldn’t they?

[@Shadowsuit]

@@somethinglikethisone6635 because Taiwan is not a country, it goes like this. Mao Zedong a dictator fight the Japanese and ally with an autocratic dictator to fight the Japanese off. When the battle is over, due to the high level of corruption of the ROC, the people rally around Mao who was seen as more popular. The US back the ROC and it's the PRC who wins. The ROC in accordance with the PRC exile themselves to Taiwan to avoid the repression that will fall on China. Taiwan or Formosa was formally in China, we are not talking of Mongolia type of territory or Tibet. Taiwan never had a formal presence as a country and will never have as it's not a country. Just like HK, the European and US diplomats try to push the idea that China could be toppled by an outside example of what a democratic China would look like. I mean if you can call Taiwan and HK a democracy which they never were just like Singapour. They are autocratic system based on a classist system where the elite rules. This countries where highly invested by Foreign assets as it's the place that allow IDE to china which was not possible for a long time. They were de facto the ally and at the same time a diplomatic issue for US and the EU (UK mostly who had huge investment in HK and US who had huge investment in Taiwan). Taiwan is as a country as HK is a country, they are just mini States that use a highly corrupted form of capitalism using the same tactics as the communist but the other way around. Its quit weird to hear Bloomberg not explain how Taiwan was created and by who... The Chinese elite that was toppled by communism, they were not children at heart or fierce defensor of western style of democracy. They are seen as a stain and a legacy of the century of humiliation brought by Europe to China. This will end by Taiwan and HK becoming Chinese again and the US will not have choice but accept because no country will come rescue Taiwan if they go into war with China. You can see it as a territory like the German territory that were lost to Poland after WW1. When Germany reclaimed those territory nobody nudged or moved a finger because it was accepted that it was not Polish territory. The war started when Germany wanted to invade France not Poland. Why ? Because nobody cared for this place in Poland that everybody understood to be German...

[@helio1556]

@@Shadowsuit “Do you know what this smells like? I think I smell bull💩.”

[@antn8387]

The Chinese/Taiwan tension is as if China would try and stop USA from taking Hawaii. the irony..

[@Gowl-y5o]

US 1: "Made in China." US 2: "No! Made in Taiwan!"

[@srijanpandey737]

Taiwan is a country.

[@唐晓翼-f9d]

Taiwan belong to China !!! you are not chinese ,you can't say it !!!

[@teohky]

KMT was also thinking Taiwan is part of China and want to take control back.

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

@ryan lee You really shouldn't be cheating the Chinese government their 50 cent, they didn't pay you to make nonsensical replies.

[@maxbreeze4861]

DDP is supported by Japan who has the desire to control or take the island as its province. There are about one million Japanese descendents in Taiwan who wants to submit to Japan.

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

@@maxbreeze4861 I see I found another scammer

[@johnpan1880]

Taiwan itself cannot even figure out if it’s Taiwan or it’s China on its own passport, let alone for a country in it many would believe Europe is on the other side of the Mississippi River.