How the 2008 Alamgirpur re-excavation challenged timeline of mighty Harappan civilisation

[@priyanks91]

Refreshing offshoot of archaelogical journalism, and kudos for bringing in actual archaeologists ! Hadn't known so well about Alamgirpur, thanks very much !

[@urrasscal8380]

change this bloody name alamgir ....first and rename the harapan civilization as saraswati -indus civilization coz most site ( actually overwhelmingly) is found in dry saraswati bed.... just change this name alamgir.

[@amartyachakraborty6863]

​@@urrasscal8380the most suitable name of this civilisation, according to archaeologists, including Disha ma'am, is the Harappan Civilisation.

[@Mindfookfilms]

Fantastic science/archaeological journalism. The Print is doing great service to India putting out a team of brilliant young minds like Ms Ahaluwalia.

[@TheBuilt]

Hello Disha Mam. You are my proud senior from FAPS. Very happy to see you. Your passion for archaeology is inspiring! Looking forward to more good work. -Raja Singh

[@indianhistoryarchaeology]

Dates for the Harappan Civilization are being constantly pushed back with more research yielding new facets, so pushing back the dates for Ganga-Yamuna Doab should be expected too. Interesting that the contact was not Late Harappan but during the Mature Phase itself. Looking forward to more such contacts being established in Central India and even the South. After all, the Harappan traders were procuring resources from as far north as Shortugai! Nice presentation, Disha.

[@sumant15]

let's hope one day archaeologists find the key to understanding the harappan script. nice information, thank you Disha

[@onepointsomeone]

I remember visiting Alamgirpur as a child and the brouhaha around it in 2008. ❤.

[@urrasscal8380]

change the name of alamgir to it's real iindian name.

[@eshanharit1255]

This site is a mere 180 km east of one of the largest sites Harappan period site of Rakhigarhi. We easily know of far distance contact between Harappans in Afghanistan, Baluchistan and Rajasthan. Exchange networks with Alamgirpur is a true possibility. The problem is the tendency to see one core. There have always been multiple cores of influence in any political system. Indus Valley civilization existed in the City State era, so definitely there can be multiple cores.

[@ZainAli-yz3yo]

Interesting stuff, will definitely learn more about Harappan civilization as it always fadcinates how well planned those cities were and they were also involved in International trade!

[@moneysingh2000]

Thank you so much for this episode 🎉

[@BatmanDvg]

Maps & timelines would definitely help to explain these finer aspects of archeology! 21 + mins ..

[@mtarkes]

Indus is Vedic civilisation only. It's timeline and geography exactly matches the Vedic timeline and geography. Proud to be part of heritage of Aryavarta.

[@napoleonrabbit]

Ok genetics. Prove it.😂😂😂

[@mpnikhil]

​@@napoleonrabbitRead the recent Heggerty paper. Do not be under the misapprehension that anybody knows the full and definitive truth about our prehistory. Growing consensus is that Indo European speaking peoples have been in India (and Iran and Central Asia) for thousands of years before the rise of mature Indus-Saraswati valley civilization.

[@omshanti5885]

Nepoleanrabbitkhanzeer puncture putram go back to desert let us moolnivasi indigenous ppl live in kafir hindustanbharatmata

[@PseudoProphet]

​@@napoleonrabbitwe can't because in India we cremate People not burnt them, so ancient remains are nonexistent.

[@greaterbharat4175]

​@@napoleonrabbitgenetic evidence also prove same thing Majority western Indian pak people of higher Steppe ancestory ( not not upper caste ) The steppe ancestory High in jat ,ror , gujar in India (40 to 65 percent) in Pakistan also jat have higher steppe ancestory and then isolated group have highest Steppe ancestory ( they are isolated they did not come under any caste )

[@zaheedakhatun6794]

Thanks for this video. Please do more of indus valley civilization.

[@Gappasappa]

Thanks for your episode. Look forward to seeing more.

[@github921]

Madam, please also show or describe some articles, seals etc. which are found in the sites that you discuss in each article. It helps us connect better.

[@ajeysangai521]

One would have to give it to the wisdom of the academics who assign names to civilizations. After it was discovered that the expanse of what had been called as Indus Valley Civilization was far bigger and possibly encompassed more river systems than previously thought, they felt that IVC was a rather localized name, so they came up with an even more localized name, Harappan Civilization.

[@indianhistoryarchaeology]

@ajeysangai521 you're right about this! Although according to our textbook info (even in archaeological studies), cultures and civilizations are usually named after the "type site" and Harappa was the first excavated site from this civilization. Indus was the initial choice because the earliest discovered sites were on the River Indus. But then we have Mesopotamian, Egyptian and Chinese civilizations named after the land or country. Ideally, since the discovery was made during the modern period it should have been named as the Indian Civilization.

[@redindianaztec6768]

All we know is that there was no Rama Sita or Ganesha … it was a Dravidian civilisation

[@bharathms3064]

In purananura Rama is quoted but not even once Dravidian word exist. Dravidian is a sanskrit term denoting a mere geography

[@poojanair3611]

Dravidianism is a hoax. Never true. Western looked at our knowledge book and they just wanted to take credit that it came from west. Aryan migration is myth

[@praseninamdar4743]

Thank you for this Disha,new insights are always welcome and your video resonates with the facts put forth in the lovely book by GD Bakshi about”Saraswati civilization “…the more we dig deeper with new findings we know the neucleus of the great Harrapan civilization is not just the Indus river area…hope we can explore more and unearth more!

[@rajeevgopal806]

Archaeology is getting back to being in fashion. Having young archaeologists helps!

[@SG-to4mf]

Literally yesterday morning, i randomly googled 'oldest IVC site' and Bhirana came up. Guess my surprise at this video

[@ratnadeepsharma964]

Why is the editor placing random images mid-speech? only put relevant pictures. Other pictures are very misguiding.

[@kpdwivedi1672]

You could have used maps and dates more effectively using carbon dating, area of coverage of excavations, locations of site etc. If I understand correctly what you called hakra river was probably Sarswati river.

[@Advaitvaadi]

Great informative video

[@rijumons100]

Haplogroup lm20 originated in Harappan /Indus valley area 50,000 years ago which every one is hiding

[@shrustijain4358]

What do you think about site called chandraketu card in Bengal and please consider it makes sign for making your video as it is Harappan art of facts as well

[@kishorkarmarkar6288]

Jay Shree Krishna. jay Hind.

[@shubhamkesharwani8268]

What are some good recommendations for book on indian archeological history

[@marioduddu471]

Is it true that the name Harappa came from a place known in Sanskrit as Hariyupiya? Was it a city or a region?

[@onepointsomeone]

Thank you for this.😊

[@groupscontentandupdates5252]

Madam, if you are not working to a narrative, please provide names of archeologists and their works to support your narrative.

[@kapilchhabria1727]

What evidence suggests a spread as far as Maharashtra? And has any site been excavated in either Maharashtra or Himachal Pradesh?

[@github921]

Maharashtra: Daimabad (in Ahmednagar district)

[@sanjaymadnani558]

Very interesting - How the 2008 Alamgirpur re-excavation challenged timeline of mighty Harappan civilisation. I was wondering if there are other sites BETWEEN 'core' Harappan sites and the Alamgirpur one?

[@vasanthchandrasekaran3218]

Finally these guys will realize it’s just Indus Valley all over India 😂😂😂

[@kalpeshkumarpatel380]

First they shifted Saraswati river to north India ( Ghaghar- hakkar ? 😂 ), now work on enlargening IVC towards Ganga, Jamuna has began. Then they will find its nucleus somewhere near Delhi. Matlab samaj rahe ho, samaj rahe ho.😎 100 Janam lag jayenge tab bhi Saraswati ka meaning nahi malum padega, location dhund ne ki to baat hi rehne do.

[@jattmoosewala83]

😂

[@mohna1925]

If alamgirpur again excavated then it would find that it is 4000 to 6000 bc old

[@jkroshan]

Please make it more interesting by adding graphics and maps

[@Dubey_nr]

Please work on the narrative. Thank you.

[@WhistleMaster]

If the Harappans trade with far off civilizations like Egypt and Mesapotamia, they could have as easily spread from Indus-Saraswati to Ganga to Godavari to Kaveri! We are talking of a civilization that started from before 5000 BCE! It’s a no brainer really!

[@indianhistoryarchaeology]

Ancient civilizations, especially the Harappans were intrepid travelers who went almost anywhere to access or sell resources. We know that they procured Lapis Lazuli from northern region of (modern) Afghanistan and copper from the Oman Peninsula, and even travelled as far down as Godavari. So yes, we shouldn't be surprised to find their presence across India but connecting the dots is like solving a jigsaw puzzle.

[@alani3992]

The space below the tropics were occupied by the Dravidians that were related to the Harappans, but just had more Australoid ancestry while the Harappans had more Zagros.

[@ambrish39]

Audio is poor

[@maheshjambardi771]

The seals depocting Pashupati Natha Shiva found among the Harappan artifacts is why we believe it has been one coninuous civilization with inevitable absorption of others along the way

[@mudra5114]

I do not know what this woman is blabbering as Alamgirpur has been included in Harrapan civilization range for a long time. Howwever the place is too close to the old range of the Harrapan world and does not discredit the fact that civilization moved to the Ganges much later.

[@vworkout3552]

Everything is fine, but Alamgirpur.....what a inappropriate name for the timeless civilizational site.

[@ahirbhairavorai7793]

You will I am sure, Print Media try very hard to be an online Archeologist. What a click bait.

[@AmitGupta-ez6tt]

Why the harappan writeup is yet not deciphered?

[@selftalks254]

@juniper7905 so let's just decipher the Indus script using Tamil n prove everyone wrong, what's the problem? Why haven't anyone done this?

[@urrasscal8380]

@juniper7905 ur commenting too much ok then -----if ur not a hhindu then ur not a tamil ...period...

[@LS-ql4wp]

There is another opinion that entire harappan civilization is vedic civilization. How can u explain the dichotomy that there is huge archeological evidence of harappans but no literature ... on the other hand great literary evidence of vedic civilization but no archeological evidence!! Tamil culture is a gem ...but may be we do not understand the huge paradox above

[@urrasscal8380]

@juniper7905 those whose rreligion is mmiddle-eastern (ME), those whose culture is ME , those whose holi-language & book is written in ME language , those guys who goes to pilgrimage in ME, those whose festivals are all ME festivals, how the fuuck are they iindian ( let aside tamil).

[@Das1]

😊😊Mujhe Yeh ladki pasand aa gayi, Yeh kaha milengi?

[@hensoramhunsiyar3431]

21 mins was not necessary! Disha ji can learn some techniques from Shekhar ji.

[@rakadus]

To make it 210 minutes!😷

[@mranmol96]

Madam you are talking to an intelligent audience. Pls think about the narrative you want to talk about before hitting record. Good attempt

[@hussainimdtabrez]

Good video 😊

[@gamechangernil]

At least use a good collar mic.

[@rishabhthakur8773]

Identity is the root cause of suffering 😊😂

[@sanchitsinghiitg]

Interesting stuff, but your style is quite repetitive; learn to be concise.

[@abhijeetgole5452]

Repeating same information over and over

[@naveenadduri5091]

Nation build weather by you

[@gangadharhiremath7306]

Except one minute information at the fag end of the video, that the earliest strata of Alamgirpur re-exavation goes back to 2600 BCE,every thing else is disorganised beating around the bush.My time is wasted.

[@dipakbose2677]

Harappa civilisation is post Mahabharata civilization. Mahabharata war took place in about 5000 BC but Rakhigarhi is only from 4000 BC. It is not Vedic but much later.

[@jattmoosewala83]

Mahabharat is mythiology. Grow up child.

[@karthikvinaymahesh5406]

SCA

[@artculture1711]

Madam, you have great topic at hand & your academic understanding of it is quite good. But sorry to say, the presentation of this important topic was way off .. nearly rambling on & on into boring the viewer out with irrelevance. Pls do not take this criticism as discouragement at all. I'm glad there is at least one publication that is going to topics that nobody else even thinks about. Print has great real journalists & specialists .. who though have yet to master the audio visual medium. Many factors that led to this .. the sound recording is low quality, even the pronunciation is unclear. Lot of words & loose words .. rambling on .. the script not being precise & pointed. The scope & reference of the vlog not made clear upfront. No graphics to enhance conveying of points & understanding of it. Just talk & talk .. that was not well structured & one could never get a grasp of the various timelines & the references & interrelationships. The narration tone too is very reluctant & uninviting. In the end, an opportunity lost. But also an opportunity to improve the structure, content & delivery effectively. All the best .. & keep it up. Do not get discouraged or upset by this criticism. I only wish the best for you. I'm still upvoting this coz I think we need more such diversification into art, sciences, philosophy & abstracts.

[@rakadus]

Making up for gaps in NCERT text books.

[@dbkiller4858]

Mam Hindi mein bol deti to bot acha hota

[@Alpha-Cheeno]

Disha's digging up a lot of old issues. Aspiring politician?

[@satyabanerji1982]

How hard is it to call it Sindhu Sarasvati Civilisation

[@AspirantsVilla]

श्रीमती के मुह में किसी अंग्रेज ने अपनी अंग्रेजी डाल दी है। इसलिए अंग्रेजी ही अंग्रेजी निकल रही है।

[@seum_city94]

खम्बा नोच

[@pravinkumar-fl9bi]

Apna email to padh lo,hindi me hai ki English me,kuch bhi bol dete ho tum log, itihas bhi aisa hi hai aryans ka

[@pardeeptandon]

BJP will propose to nominate women parliamentary members rather than elect them. One should remember Sanatan Dharma and Manu Smrity treat women as men's property and restrict women's rights. The Brahmin-dominated RSS will never allow women's rights to be enhanced beyond cosmetic changes.

[@omshanti5885]

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[@greaterbharat4175]

It's Smriti 🤣 , sanatan dharm is Shruti based dharma not Smriti , smriti is contemporary and anybody can write Smriti Shurti is what rishis gave

[@greaterbharat4175]

In Shruti, sabha samiti was an important role of election , where women also elected

[@VitthalGucci]

Chinchin bot

[@urrasscal8380]

just like ppakistani has a broken record of hum main zazba hai , kalmey wali kom hai , hum hhindu kkaffir k uppar ggazwa e hhind kar dengay blah blah ... this librandus have a same broken record of caste & sati which hhindus already remove it and have punishment for this act ..... hhinduism is not a book based rreligion there is numerous books in hhinduism and not of them are codified and binding for hhindus .... hhindus have complete free -wiil understand librandus.

[@North_Lights]

Good one. So, drought in Indus river forced the Indus people out of the valley is not a credible hypothesis anymore ha. The civilizations which are part of Indus were living way east and south, so drought in himalayas and ice age drought lost little bit of credibility now. It has to be conflict between civilization and the nomads, since that was what happened over and over the next 2000 years of contact between the civilization and the new nomads, why would be the first one would have been any different ? I still believe Indus Harrappan people are Dravidian people, the Indigenous civilization of, you can say "India" or "Bharath", well that bharath part came way later, so Indigenous people of the Indus valley or India. It is very sad with all the modern development, the linguistic development still couldn't decipher Indus valley languages. I hope somewhere someone finds the DNA samples, that will reveal the truth for sure.

[@priyanks91]

Did we watch different videos ? How did you conclude that ?

[@thecomment9489]

//So, drought in Indus river forced the Indus people out of the valley is not a credible hypothesis anymore ha. // Says who? As if it is not widely observed phenomena that in ancient times severe droughts caused mass migration from a place. In fact it is said the same about the ancient Egyptian civilisation which led to it's collapse because of persistent droughts which resulted in fall in agriculture produce.

[@chappalkasukh]

@@priyanks91 He is watching Sun TV while awake or sleeping.

[@AmalTan]

Even if they were "Dravidian", then this does not make them indigenous. Because according to modern genomics "Dravidians" are themselves mixture of first Indians(who came 60000 yrs ago from Africa) and Iranian farmers(who came around 10000 yrs ago).

[@paulomi9351]

​@@AmalTandravid is geographic reference for peninsular land

[@pardeeptandon]

If G-20 a common consensus is not achieved and there is no group photograph, then it can be said the G-20 failed under India's presidency. The reputation of Vishva guru has plummeted under Modani rule. This is also highlighted by an international survey conducted by PEW, an American survey agency.

[@anuragbanerjee2879]

good cut and paste form notepad .. but this not the appropriate forum ... your handlers will be annoyed

[@bickynt7930]

Already G20 summit is successful...😂

[@kamakshiyadav5980]

Even in Indonesia it was mot reaching consensus It was bharat who made sure to get a consensus. Don't worry pappu like you want a weak country. Weak man talking about manusmriti and then g 20 Start reading before you type something

[@LS-ql4wp]

So?

[@pardeeptandon]

@@kamakshiyadav5980 Modani Bhakts, give him credit for everything good that happens in the world and blame Nehru for everything wrong. A recent PEW report showed that India is still perceived positively by most countries worldwide, although India's reputation has decreased during the Modani era. On the Eve of G-20, our PM advises his ministers to Defend Racist Sanatana Dharma and not a word on G-20!!!! Our media has not reported anything substantial that India achieved in the over 200 G-20 meetings held last year. If you can enlighten us, I would be grateful.

[@highplatform1649]

Alamgirpur !! 😂😂😂 This is rubbish

[@urrasscal8380]

real name is parsuram ka tela.

[@mikedesi5513]

Ved ic Aryans were fish eating Brahmins and Dravidian were uncivilized dasyus and rakshasas ravans kids

[@prakharshankar3064]

😂 panjab main fish kidhar se aya😅 kuchh bhi

[@jothikrishnanpalanivel9641]

we are proud Ravana kids !! Please read about Rama in original version of Ramaya, beef eater, drinker. The Ramayana never existed in real. All concoction of stories woven time to time. Except my family deity i wont pray any one. It is humbug. vedas and ithikas are real humbug if you read.

[@prakharshankar3064]

@@jothikrishnanpalanivel9641 😁 all Rakshas brahmin And devotes of Bhagavan shiva

[@alani3992]

Those who left Aryavarta to go into the natives territory, had to purify themselves on return.

[@Nom_AnorVSJedi]

How many Indians actually believe that Harappa is the ancestral civilization to modern India? What nonsense! Why reject India’s Aryan heritage from Central Asia?

[@johnnybrave7443]

South Indians aren't Aryans, and Aryans are a bunch of foreigners just like the British

[@pravinkumar-fl9bi]

Aryan ho tum log vapis bhago apne desh Hitler ke paas whi tha jo Aryans ko superior manta tha,waise wha se peet ke bhaga diye gye to india me aake gandh phaila diye aryan log

[@inderjeet9373]

J&k in the north.....manda jammu....Correct yourself