How the 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 changed the Porsche Cayman market | Depreciation & Buying guide

[@fourwheeltrader]

*Which car would you like to see analysed next?*

[@cheapspeed]

Gt4 would be my choice

[@cgotterba]

Great video! Not sure how popular this would be, but I'm curious about the values of the first-gen Audi TT. Hagerty mentioned it was one to watch in 2021

[@perdomus]

A video comparing how the new 718 spyder and gt4 have impacted the 981 gt4 and spyder prices. Since the introduction of the pdk and engine recall, plus the new 4 cylinder chinese spyder. Wonder if these facts will have any effect on prices.

[@farzinp8277]

RAPTOR!

[@Rowley114]

I would like you to do analysis on Porsche Boxster 981s please, I think they have increased by 10% in the last year. Can you do the uk market. Thanks Paul

[@marekesch4870]

Im proud to own a 981 GTS, i'll keep it forever :D

[@JuJu_Vega]

Same here :)

[@beetleything1864]

but the new 4.0 NA will be better ;)

[@JuJu_Vega]

@@beetleything1864 faster, not better. Better has to be defined by what you want/expect of it. Sound is miles better on the 981, and sound is a big part of the driving sensation. Its also quite a bit lighter. For most sports car drivers (including me) it is absolutely not important if another model will be a second faster on a track. Its all about the driving sensation and emotions.

[@beetleything1864]

@@JuJu_Vega but reviewers are saying the torque on the 4.0 matches the gearing better with low down pull.....for starters...

[@V1RT8]

I own a 981S in outstanding conditions and very low mileage. In the best case scenario its value could be 50K. A new 718 4.0 with same spec. would cost me 100K. Let’s put them side by side… Would I like better the 718 4.0? YES, I would. Is it worth twice the value of my 981S? NO. Long story short, I keep my 981S and I’m proud of it. Biggest bang for the bucks, which is also part of the “smile factor” when I drive it.

[@WFORacer]

As the owner of a 2015 981S , this is good data. Thank you!

[@sman96490]

Bought a 2018 4 cylinder turbo 718 GTS with only 5000 KMs. I consider myself very lucky.

[@miamigt4922]

I have a 718 Cayman GT4 (4.0 H6, manual) and wouldn’t hesitate for a moment to get the 4-cylinder models of the 718, even with PDK. Great cars and the values reflect that.

[@NassNoName]

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[@k.w5804]

Yeah I don’t understand this. 718 4 cylinders are quite underwhelming. With some exterior options and wheels you are in almost in the GTS 4.0 range.. I wouldn’t consider anything lower than GTS personally. Unless it’s for your wife.

[@davidrowe96]

Very good as always - own a 981 GTS and it’s not going anywhere!

[@PietroShitzberg]

Me too and it’ll be in my collection for years to come.

[@JuJu_Vega]

I hope I'll be passing on my 981 GTS to my son someday :)

[@mariomifsud4650]

Another factor not discussed in the comments is that after market exhausts are readily available for 718 4 cyl models now, which substantially increase the quality and volume of the sound of the car. While it would be hard to prove this as a causal factor in 718 values/popularity, it does address the key detractor in the model and is what is happening in the aftermarket. Personally, I did like the sound in my 718 Cayman S, but it was rather quiet. Not the case with an APR exhaust installed. That and a tune allows this car to punch way above its proverbial weight.

[@LuiS-xo7qw]

Thank you for these well presented, data driven videos! Never in a million years did I think that my 981s would actually increase in value, even after a newer flat six was developed

[@ramboormark]

Just bought a 981 GTS and was able to justify it based largely on your videos. Thanks so much.

[@fourwheeltrader]

Great to hear that the video helped you with your purchasing decisions. Amazing car.

[@stephenfecho836]

Contemplating the decision right now between 981S vs GTS Boxster...what was your rationale for the $15-20k premium?

[@ramboormark]

@@stephenfecho836 I could afford the difference and the market for 981S was so small I couldn't get what I wanted (in the UK). I think the 981 S is the smarter choice though. If you find it with the options that nullify the spec difference I'd 100% go for that instead of paying thousands for the badge of a GTS. You might be too late though, I can already sell mine to a dealership for 4000GBP more than I paid for it! Good luck, sorry for the delay.

[@tommy516]

The 718 GTS was perfect, perfection!! It had an amazingliy low RPM to hit the power and the gearing was great too. It sounded fine as well.

[@johncortes4558]

Nice! I'll make sure to hold on to my 981 S Cayman!

[@EverythingorNothing]

Love these videos and I absolutely love my 981 GT4. Limited edition in many ways limited production it was the only GT4 I'd ever purchase with my money.

[@TheBestWanted112]

Exactly, the new one may have a NA engine as well, but the adition of particulate filters, noise limits, even longer gears and the lack of exclusivity make it considerably worse car.

[@Maximumrandom69]

@@TheBestWanted112 eben longer gears? It’s exactly the same gearbox as in the 981 lol

[@TheBestWanted112]

@@Maximumrandom69 does it? Didnt know that.

[@Maximumrandom69]

@@TheBestWanted112 don’t comment that if you have no clue

[@TheBestWanted112]

@@Maximumrandom69 yo dont be mad that you bought a 718 gt4, still an exceptional car 😄 but 981 is better.

[@RichieB40444]

My Boxster S ( 982) sounds great to me. I really don't care for the loud pops. I love the throaty throttle and sneaky acceleration that comes with a low pitched roar like a panther

[@patthonsirilim5739]

if you want to wared of depreciation go for the 4.0 in manual once ev comes into full gear which they there litrily 1 battary breakthrough away from raping ice cars the only cars ice car people will buy will be the car they want to drive for enjoyment and nostalgia and nothing says nostalgia like a high reving mid engine car with a h pattern gearbox

[@gagahouse]

As a financial analyst I really appreciate your insights. It has given me confidence that when I buy my first Cayman base next week with low mileage which will be driven 2-3K miles max per year the depreciation will be more than acceptable. The only open question is how long and how much this 'pandemic' driven effect on prices will last?

[@MrRandomTwat]

I doubt the prices will go down, the growth will probably normalize soon, but things will still stay as expensive as they are. Base model will probably depreciate with time, but with ICE being on deathrow, I might be wrong.. I definitely expect the GT4 and Spyder to only continue to rise with each years as Cayman/Boxster move to electric, and NA engines and manual transmissions will only be available on 2nd hand market.

[@IrishManJT]

I am very very very happy with my low mileage 981 Cayman S. It’s my forever car and so I won’t be selling but this video is good to know. Thanks. 😎

[@amac8487]

If it’s your forever car, and never plan on selling it, why worry about “low miles”. Drive the hell out of that thing! After alll, mileage only matters for resale

[@IrishManJT]

@@amac8487 I have named my 981 Erika after a famous German marching song and only bought her last October and so in terms of increasing mileage this is work in progress. 😎

[@amac8487]

@@IrishManJT exciting!!!! Enjoy in good health!!!:):)

[@Malcom2345]

Always loved the 981 but was always a bit slow for my liking. Sounds g8 juz didnt generate the performance to match. The new 4.0l is much better and does well to fix that issue. The 4cyl versions r rockets for their money. 2 in the club have them with aftermarket exhausts. As an older gen 911 gt3 owner they out perform me at the track & they also sound pretty good imho.

[@MrRandomTwat]

I never got the hate for 4cyl versions either, I definitely prefer the new 4.0 engines, but mainly because the peak power is at the end of the rev range, and in a sportscar that's the only way it should be. With turbos there isn't much reason to rev the engine out and that just kills the driving pleasure, the 981 suffered from that as well to a certain extent.

[@Peter-Oxley-Modelling-Lab]

981 is in many ways the sweetsport of the Cayman / Boxster range: Initially, on paper the new 4.0 GTS spelled doom for 981 GTS prices, but everyone soon realised that this new 2020 model doesn't sound anywhere near as good due to new Euro PPF on exhaust system and this will help 981 retain it's crown, with long - term desireability, it is the 'last unadulterated flat 6' and will always be wanted as such.

[@getdealtwithquick]

Good analysis. I think you're spot on that there's probably just not that much more room to go above $70-80K used for any Boxter, at least right now. (Until the next gen costs another 20k more...). That's serious money for one of these but I realpy hope Porsche sells a ton of manual 4.0 GTS so we can have more options and better prices later on as that's really the only Boxter I'd consider.

[@Acct1941]

I'd love to see a comparison between the GTSs. For example, the MSRP of the 2016 981 Cayman GTS was $76k, while the 2022 model is $88k. Having that original price as one of the data points would be really interesting as a comparison as inflation occurs and manufacturers begin to increase prices more rapidly.

[@John_watches-cars]

Once more and more people realize that a 718 GTS 2.5T with a simple and safe APR tune will hang with the newest GT4 and probably pass it on a straight values will increase on the turbo model

[@vanzylvanheerden2248]

Thank you very much this, this is so incredibly interesting! Glad to have discovered your channel.

[@madihismail802]

Excellent as usual !

[@fourwheeltrader]

Thanks!

[@billymilligan]

Would love to have seen how those compared to 987 values as well.

[@SamS5]

Hey there. I see you

[@tgemz3376]

I bought my CPO 2016 base from Porsche Sandiego 2.5 years ago for 41k. Had 21k miles. Judging by the market I could probably sell the car tomorrow for what I paid for it 2.5 years ago - maybe even make alittle money!

[@MrSchn3ll]

Please do a Carrera T. It's a modern day 964 RS and like that car, no one seemed to pay it much attention until years later. My T, purchased 1 year ago, has appreciated by $20k. It would be a fascinating analysis showing year over year change in values.

[@dylondylondylondylondylon5]

I’ve been eyeing 981 Cayman S for about 18 months now. Prices have risen about 20% in that time. Can’t find any decent specs with sub-50k miles for under $52k. Hoping prices soften here in the next few months and I can snag a decent car around $45k.

[@micraw714]

Same here. I finally picked up a 2015 S with 68k miles for 42k. I probably overpaid a bit but literally every other one with lower or even higher mileage was between 6-12k more 😭

[@dylondylondylondylondylon5]

@@micraw714 Hey man congrats! Mileage wise these cars seem to be pretty reliable so best of luck!

[@micraw714]

@@dylondylondylondylondylon5 thanks, I appreciate it and hope you find one soon as well! 😊

[@ronaldmeyers2432]

I would love to see a market comparison of the Porsche 981, 986 and 718 Spyders.

[@claudiuvasadi]

very good content. keep up the good work!

[@jeremymeara6546]

I guess I’ll be hanging onto my 8,000 mile 981 GTS then.

[@jaketran708]

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[@jaketran708]

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[@willscurran]

The 4 cyl Cayman is an amazing car. I have both the 6 and 4, and honestly I prefer the 4. The fact that you have not driven one speaks volumes to your credibility. You are only giving the vocal minority that counts cylinders validation 🙄

[@fourwheeltrader]

Whether i have driven one or not is irrelevant for the conclusions as they are based on data. Moreover, i say in the video that i was wrong about the 718 desirability factor as the data shows otherwise.

[@siempre289]

why do you prefer the 4? just curious, I'm about to get a precious 718T

[@willscurran]

@@siempre289 1) As some Porsche driver reviews have stated, the 4 cylinder engine is a better fit for handling and traction on the non-GT4 Cayman chassis. For a 718T, the 4 cyl is the perfect marriage. 2) As a fan of Porsche motorsport history, the 4 cylinder has strong roots in early to mid Porsche mid-engine sports cars. Regardless of the weird infatuation with 6 cylinders among some, the 4 cylinder was a good fit for the chassis both yesterday and today. 3) Go test drive (back to back) a Cayman S/T and a Cayman GTS. The shifting experience in the S/T is more exciting, at sub 5s 0-60 acceleration, you don't notice the 1/2 second difference (max) between S/T and GTS, and in fact I think the S/T "feels" faster. It feels seat of your pants driving on street or track. 4) Honestly, with the GTS your are paying for 2 extra cyclinders, all based on a vocal minority beating their chests and claiming 6 is better. The review in this video even admits he hasn't driven a non GTS lol!! 5) The sound ... I am sorry but no one is going to mistake your S/T for a Subaru. I drive my S with an ear to ear grin constantly. It sounds great in tunnels with the windows down (lots of character with the pops and crackles) and since you are literally sitting on the engine you are not going to wish it was "louder". At the end of the day - drive the one you like. But ... 99% of Cayman S/T owners LOVE their ride.

[@siempre289]

​@@willscurran Thanks so much for taking some minutes of your life to give us a perfect answer. I was gonna buy a GTS because all the negative comments about the 4 cylinders, but after reading about practical specs (I'm not gonna reach 295 km/h), I think the 718T suits me better and price is better, plus I think there is no facelift until 2023-24 :)

[@Kr0nicridah]

@@willscurran I don’t think it’s a “vocal minority” that claims the 6 is better than the 4. If anything, it’s the vocal minority of 718 owners stepping up to defend their cars from a vast slew of detractors (many of whom have probably never driven any Cayman). Visit any video review about the 718 and you’ll see that virtually all the top comments criticise the 718’s sound. If you like it, then that’s all that matters. You state that 99% of 718 owners love their cars. That’s obvious, otherwise they wouldn’t have spent hard-earned money on it. You’ll find it difficult to find any Porsche owner who complains that their 911 or Cayman sucks, regardless of model. I’ve driven the 718 S and think it would be a fantastic and enjoyable daily driver. Great amount of torque, quiet when you want it to be and also comfortable. It’s an objectively better car than a 981, but it just didn’t thrill me.

[@KyleBrightman]

Thanks for the analysis. Were there too few GTS 4.0 on the market to be separated from the 4-cylinder GTS 718 from earlier in the model run? Also, I’d be interested how the 4.0 has affected the prices for GT4s.

[@fourwheeltrader]

Unfortunately i don't have any earlier data for the GTS 4.0 market. The GT4 video could indeed use an update sooon :)

[@ramboormark]

Thanks so much for the video!! Legend.

[@Jonathan-do1sj]

Do you have a video where you explain the price distribution graph at 4:55?

[@fourwheeltrader]

Not yet, but perhaps but i should make one or explain it better in the video. The graph shows the kernel density estimates.

[@i1pro]

Thank you for all the useful information. What's your opinion on the Boxster 25th year anniversary? -- it's basically a fully speced 718 GTS limited edition model.

[@endlesswindingroad]

Well composed 👏 Confirms my observations. How about BMW M2 Competition?

[@LawrenZza88]

kindly advice, which 981 vs 718 is cheaper to maintenance over time.

[@bbrescia8697]

Love your content, and looking for a little buying advice. Based on the fact your numbers show that the GTS has had the smallest gain (due to numerous factors) .. would you actually recommend buying a 718 GTS simply cause there has been less "price inflation" (% wise) ? As 718 S prices steadily rise, the cost difference to jump from an S to a GTS narrows and you are technically getting a better/rarer version of a 718 S?

[@willieseawright9281]

Can you do a depreciation on Acura ZDX

[@sabrihamed8502]

Hi i own a 911 carrera S 991.1 and i love it but would like to do an upgrade i love natural aspirations engine but you get some where that you would like more, i was thinking a 991.2 gt3 or touring or a 992 turbo s which would be a better car that could hold more the value ?

[@VandelaerOlivier]

I guess the same analysis could be done on the Boxter model? Does it follow the same market dynamics?

[@JBOsurf]

Wish you'd included the GT4s in this (981 and 718).

[@fourwheeltrader]

I have a seperate video for the 981 GT4: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqabo6Cmrt2msMU

[@brentstansbury992]

What about the Cayman R (987c)? You didn’t reflect that model in your analysis??

[@MadelnMachines]

Are you only including 4.0L GTS or the 2.5L GTS too?

[@WilliamQuirke1]

Do you think 987 Cayman prices will rise?

[@alfredng4696]

I need advice.i was dilemma to get a 718 S OR 981 GTS? the one thing I like 981 gts is because the 6 cylinder engine and exhaust sounds better than 718s. but my friend advice me go for 718s because is new model with turbo eventhough is 4 cylinder engine. for me 981 gts is as sexy as 718. both model I like. can someone advice me so I can make up my mind. thanks pal.

[@idokwatcher2062]

If this is your "forever car" you have to consider the future. Soon the tax and insurance on 3.4L displacement and high CO2/km emissions could become astronomical, so a modern low emissions engine with 2.5L displacement could be somewhat manageable to keep. If your country does not calculate taxes and insurance based on displacement and emissions, or if you don't care about it I would go for the 3.4L naturally aspirated GTS always.

[@dr_tate]

I like the 718 S.. it has great horse power, great torque and would be a little better daily driver. With a stage 2 tune I think it would be a great car.

[@pascalsteiner9926]

So why did the prices rise more in the 718 model years in comparison to the 981? Even they just have 4 cylinders?

[@fourwheeltrader]

The relative price increase is only larger in the 718 market for the base model.

[@undergroundoutlaw411]

Will be interesting to see how these prices settle 1-2 years assuming the COVID variants don’t bring another wave

[@twilighter7]

Currently, there are too many variables that push used car prices up, generally speaking and not only sports cars. E.g - Low supply of new cars, shortage of chips, high demand of luxury objects (because people can’t direct their expenses to other things like traveling). I truly believe that once things normalize and supply starts to surpass demand, prices will plunge.

[@itguru2037]

@@twilighter7 agreed however that will not happen for a long time.

[@twilighter7]

@@itguru2037 it may be sooner and harder than expected given that the economy has been artificially inflated with financial stimulus (that will not last forever) and printing large amounts of money.

[@itguru2037]

@@twilighter7 true, however brighter minds than you or I will make the necessary changes. Just diversify your portfolio and live way below your means and your good to go.

[@skynetsworld]

thank you 👍

[@cheapspeed]

Gt4 market analysis

[@Oarabile]

Please Do Mercedes Benz SLS AMG Next

[@g7sky]

Next use machine learning to predict the market lol

[@logantaylor702]

I would love to see you analyze the Mercedes Benz GLC.

[@hawkinsjd11]

Warning to headphone users that ding sound was really bad.

[@galileocomenge7044]

Audi RS2

[@VioletClaw816]

Just got this car with a manual transmission by trading in my cayman T. This car is sooo smooth on the gear shift and the engine power is enormous even in the 5th gear. However, this drinks gas faster than I drink my can diet coke. I know I don't buy porsche to save gas, but this drinks gas too much.

[@johnnyng8527]

GR Yaris please

[@mister_ray]

I paid in the low $70s (MSRP $102K) for a new 2019 718 GTS w/T4 motor in Feb of 2020. There is no way I could get that deal now. There are far more 718s made and to be made with the T4 motor. Now that the track data is coming out showing the NA6 718 is no faster than the T4 I think demand for older 718s with T4 have gone up.

[@jameswillard1]

Nobody was ever not buying the 4 cylinder turbo from lack of performance or expecting the 6-cylinder to perform significantly better....but since you mentioned it, the fastest times I ever saw for any 718 4-cylinder were 0-60 in 3.6 and 1/4 mile in 11.9 sec (PDK) which is amazing, however, I just saw a 718 GT4 with PDK record a 3.3 and 11.6 so even though in real world there is probably nothing in it between the two there is on paper. The reason EVERYONE wants the flat 6 is the classic sound and smoothness that is associated with Porsche and that unique engine design

[@mpower3144]

So what you are saying You got almost 30 k off msrp on gts . Come on really.

[@mister_ray]

Yes it was a 718 GTS on the dealers lot in winter. 718 T4s were not selling well then hence the car sat on the lot a long time. Boom the pandemic hits, production cut, people at home and sports cars all the rage. I think the PF ruin the sound of the 718 NA6.. instagram.com/p/CAmENHNA9Nh/

[@mpower3144]

@@mister_ray i feel like crap now lol I just picked up a 2018 gts with 7k miles 68k

[@MarcnessPower]

@@jameswillard1 but there are thousands of new customers coming into Porsche that really love the 4 pot sound from this Cayman, they are not stupidly blinded by the old fan base opinion

[@tonamg53]

I really don’t think people who buy these type of cars really care about re-sale value. I don’t anyways…

[@Taranisify]

First! :)

[@MKM4ever]

you must have a lot of time

[@idokwatcher2062]

Miles go up. Interiors get shabbier. Rust spreads further.... But the price keeps rising. Gotta love how delusional car owners are.

[@maxmeier532]

they are all overpriced. I dont care what anyone says. I see Porsches every day. No matter how well they sell, the only Porsche that matters is the 911. It's laughable that a 7 year old cayman with 80k Miles will cost you at leat 30 grand. Ridiculous. You are better off buying a TT or any japanese comparable car.

[@thedudeabides1443]

How many Porsches have you owned? I’ve owned several 911s and Caymans/Boxsters and they are all FANTASTIC. Boxsters/Caymans handle better and feel lighter than the 911s, which are more GT like these days. To say that 911s are the only Porsches that matter and that you are better off buying a TT over a Cayman/Boxster sounds like you have never owned, much less driven, ANY of these cars.

[@rlkinser]

People like you are maddening. "xyz thing is no where nears as good as xyz other brand thing"... great, go buy that other one and leave people who have an affinity for this one alone.

[@agg25gga]

The only thing ridiculous is your statements

[@rboddington]

@@agg25gga "better off buying a TT or any japanese comparable car." Yes, a silly and ridiculous comment.

[@rboddington]

@Mike S Me too, 100%