How the “AUTHORITARIAN” National Conservatives threaten Rishi Sunak | Andrew Marr | New Statesman

A “religious” and “authoritarian” part of the Conservative Party poses a threat to Rishi Sunak - Andrew Marr
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Is “National Conservatism” a dead end for the Tories, or a sign of what will come? Asks Andrew Marr
Rishi Sunak may be tempted by an ideology of muscular nationalism - but he would risk alienating British voters.
Andrew Marr analyses the right in UK politics, from Richard Tice and Reform UK to Suella Braverman and Jacob Rees-Mogg with the Conservatives.
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[@PaddyDAngelo]

The future of this country is truly anxiety inducing.

[@searock3024]

No need to be anxious, mate. These folks WANT you to be scared so that you'll go along with whatever nonsense they pump out at you to "solve" things - hint: their solutions never involve you having more of your own rights back.

[@PaddyDAngelo]

You both speak with such conviction of my knowledge of current affairs. I can assure you I am worried not because I am "easy to scare" or I "don't check my facts or think deeply" but because day by day, more, once radical ideas, are now being dragged from the boundaries of society to main stream politics.

[@JK_Clark]

@@daleyoung4710 YouGov and Ipsos both have Labour miles ahead of Conservative in polls - c. 48 to 27%. The dumb Tory party and their dumber far right extremists will be out of power at the next GE. Everything the msm is publishing recently confirms it is happy for that change, otherwise the gap wouldn't be so large.

[@searock3024]

@@PaddyDAngelo Well, you may consider NOT warmongering to be a “radical idea”, but I do not. I also don’t find telling the truth to be a radical idea.

[@BlyatimirPootin]

​@@daleyoung4710 lol wtf are you on about

[@paucannell]

The UK is imploding, I fear for our future. Cameron and Johnson, the Eton PM's, have dragged this beautiful country into a sewer

[@fredmercury1314]

I'm sure Labour has done no wrong, though.

[@eoghan-uk9yi]

Thatcher and Blair are much more responsible, the conservatives just gave us bare bones blairism as in blairite economics without any of the social security

[@indianairlines]

@@eoghan-uk9yi Cameron and Osborne were far worse for this country than bLIAR and Thatcher. At the end of the day, WE (Brits) voted for these people, so WE are to blame.

[@randomclick2826]

Cameron and Clegg just carried on Blair’s policies.

[@Hartley_Hare]

@@indianairlines Are people really still saying 'Bliar'?

[@djslybacon]

Loved that “I’m going to choose my words carefully here because I don’t want to smear anyone at this stage… *wry smile* I will smear them at a later stage.”

[@catrionaskivingtonskivingt4819]

It’s over for the tories 😂😂

[@davidjupp961]

Never mind threatening Sunak , what about the rest of us

[@annemarie879]

We just need to take our power back. Simple

[@Scotland2306]

The general public don’t even know the avalanche coming.

[@blairmarshall544]

Cafe to elaborate

[@squicker]

@@blairmarshall544 Covfefe.

[@46metube]

What's the plan Stan?

[@johnjephcote7636]

Not with the Daily Mail there to tell the public what to think/believe.

[@euanc8951]

If LibLabCon gets elected again this country is truly doomed, We will be in a WEFascist tyranny!! A vote for LibLabCon is a vote for the WEF

[@jonathanwetherell3609]

National Conservatives? Is this just a new label for the ERG?

[@tangaz5819]

On steroids.

[@EMidMSO]

First there were National Socialists, now National Conservatives!

[@Kalus_Saxon]

International conservatives full of the Bame not british…

[@andylewis7360]

the ERG is a perfectly legitimate group of conservative Tory MP’s. The fact is that the Conservative Party has strayed from its principles and the ERG group is its conscience

[@SlowhandGreg]

Christian Fascism basically imported from the US the problem they have is where a bit to secular and Gen Z + Millenials think there mental I read somewhere that the Cons are polling at 8% with younger voters Over in the states its 75-24% in favour of the Democrats

[@fezmancomments]

Did I miss the bit where Marr says; “National Conservatism” rhymes with “National Socialism”?

[@mikesecondname]

I noticed that bit too. It’s not like we’re all here in our black shirts spouting Oswald Mosley slogans. What’s wrong with wanting a sensible centre and some real nationalism. Civic nationalism is great for a country.

[@djslybacon]

@@mikesecondname the people behind this movement are scary… that’s what wrong with it, it’s not wrong to ask and get what you’ve asked for here but look at the puppet master behind this, mega rich, American organisation wanting authoritarianism exported to the UK.

[@MyHahnemann]

Mosley is a good role model, national conservatism is alright but its far from good enough. UK need popular nationalism and corporatism/guild socialism kinda like Blue Labours platform.

[@jh-oj7nb]

thought there were laws against politicians taking donations from foreign sources

[@elizamarz7607]

If there are it hasn’t stopped it happening. Brexit financial backing research bears this out

[@callumbowyer240]

I’m convinced these lot don’t follow a single law they just hide their deceit

[@hvhvgitaar]

Not in the U.K. In fact, most of the Conservatives funding comes from abroad, although cleverly camouflaged. The Russian money comes from criminals who have obtained British passports. In a real democracy, political funding is limited to one small symbolic donation per year per adult citizen, say 20£ in the U.K. Anything else, and especially allowing businesses to donate, is just a recipe for institutional corruption, such as what is the norm in the US and the U.K.

[@anon-il9qf]

Let's see Starmer's bank donations, or labours.

[@ShopFloorMonkey]

@@anon-il9qf Speaking as a former labour voter, absolutely!

[@wrestle2uk]

Horrific. American financed Facism

[@RoganGunn]

@Jay Wright Of course he can't. For a start he has misidentified it as fascism. I could elaborate why fascism is a terrible idea, but it's not really relevant, because this National Conservatism thing has nothing to do with fascism at all. Midwits like the OP just call everything they don't like or understand 'fascism' because fascism' is just a leftist proxy word for evil. Leftists hate fascism because it's just honest socialism. It's a flavour of socialism that goes, "Screw the hippy dippy commune stuff, this 'state control of absolutely everything' business is where we should be focussing our efforts!" In other words, the bit where all socialist regimes actually end up in practice. It shows socialists up for what they really are - essentially the same thing as fascists.

[@wrestle2uk]

@Jay Wright en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_nationalism

[@SMlFFY85]

I'd say what I really think if I didn't fear the thought police knocking on my door.

[@gavinr4214]

Slowly I began to hate them

[@adambritain5774]

Under rated comment…

[@adambritain5774]

Under rated comment…

[@woodencreatures]

Sounds bloody terrifying

[@adarkimpurity]

Normal people vs naval-gazing identitarian neo-leftists.

[@bobblue_west]

LOL! A ultra-left ex-BBC overpaid woke is whining about the Conservatives? Whoda thought?

[@jukeboxjohnnie]

No Starmer and Rayner are terrifying

[@realhorrorshow8547]

Let's hope it sounds terrifying enough.

[@rosihantu1]

Lol. Sarcasm detected

[@russellmarriott9396]

National Front - very worrying.

[@A_random_nerd_with_braces]

It’s not the National Front, although Andrew has done a subtle and cunning job of making it sound like that.

[@paulpenfold867]

This isn't a British thing, it's some kind of American import that they're trying to Brit-wash.

[@andylewis7360]

Not true. The whole “woke” thing is what’s been imported and this is a reaction to that

[@randomclick2826]

The trans/blm/bestiality/racial segregation movements are all American imports. This is a backlash.

[@JasonLaneZardoz]

Just like the divisive race and identity politics

[@thisisnumber0]

Do you really not know about Sunak's relationship with the World Economic Forum and its tyrannical plans that are nearly upon us, or are you in on it?

[@Yawnyaman]

He may not care

[@judithcressey1682]

Sunak, Starmer 'prefers Davos over Westminster' (interview with Emily Maitlis) Khan et al are WEF as is Charles iii and William. All in it together.

[@epicgamer3560]

Are these tyrannical plans by the WEF in the room with us right now?

[@andylewis7360]

@@Yawnyaman He thinks he understands politics but all he understands is Westminster and the BBC narrative. Of course he knows about the WEF. And of course he’s in on it.

[@ohk749]

left or right everyone is getting that two tier system, CBDC's, wholesale for them and retail for us. They can watch us, but we can't watch them................

[@Nick-gt3oy]

I think "I'm not ashamed" is very different to being proud.

[@aesma2522]

She doesn't mean either. She means I'm white and we all know it's better than not being white...

[@Nick-gt3oy]

@@aesma2522 I would guess she is referring to, and disagreeing with the idea white people should be ashamed of their skin colour, because people in the past with the same colour skin did horrendous things.

[@eradeziel]

People probably don't tell her to feel ashamed for being white, they tell her so for being a bigot. She conflates the two on purpose. Classic fascist sort of rhetoric.

[@theodorathompson2034]

In 1969 when I was 15 years old, I was convinced that racial inequality, misogyny, religious fundamentalism, famine and poverty would not survive in a modern enlightened world. Wars, political oppression and social injustice seemed to be as archaic as feudalism and monarchy - ideas consigned to human history in our new technological world where we could look at exploring the stars. It’s taking longer than I expected.

[@djdoolittle1315]

The connection to Israel was an eye opening

[@elkpaz560]

New powers have emerged and they don't share your values or the values we used to call the enlightenment. They are perfectly happy with the values of their own tribe and will seek supremacy with that nice technology you got so excited about. "Progress' is a fantasy of the European mind.

[@Blackdragon1331]

"It’s taking longer than I expected" The amount of arrogance in that statement is incredible.

[@charleswhite758]

You can never suppress the natural desire of humanity. That is to live as separate tribes. Large tribes are nations. Nationalism is merely the natural ordering of human society. Liberal Marxist ideology is un-natural and is proving to be a failed experiment. The "modern enlightened world" seems to be taking us rapidly through a back-door route to Fascism and suppression of the human spirit.

[@thomasleongeorgerobertglad7560]

@@LordOfLight everything

[@flemmingmorgan1929]

Thank you for bringing this very scary development to the fore. It really does feel as if the UK is slipping in the direction of the US which would be a tragedy.

[@djdoolittle1315]

Connection to Israel. Shameful

[@Crouchy232323]

MakE bRitAiN GraTE aGaiN

[@fenlinescouser4105]

Make Yarmouth Great Again!

[@davidfisher92]

Its been grating for ages...

[@CBDB-cu5rt]

It's a gammon's paradise

[@davidpearn2484]

Too late.

[@EggBastion]

@@davidfisher92 pow!

[@CBDB-cu5rt]

Big up to the media for getting them into power and keeping them there...

[@basskick666]

Because anyone who disagrees with you is a mindless manipulated drone? I've never voted conservative but am going to start-just to piss you off.

[@anon-il9qf]

most media is left wing are you ok?

[@andylewis7360]

Getting WHO into power? The Blairite Tories?

[@davidaldwinckle8152]

What do you mean by ‘power’ ? They have no power at all !! The people have all the power, we’ve just got too soft on these blatant government criminal gangsters…Tory, Labour…makes no difference.

[@FMK1317]

If you really think the people running the media got the conservatives into power or even want them in power,then you really need stronger med's 🤦‍♂️

[@onlymejules]

Looks at "V for Vendetta" DVD case and sighs 🙄

[@andylewis7360]

You are sleepwalking towards that authoritarian end. But not at the hands of conservatives. Conservatives weren’t responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions of their own people in the 20th Century. Who was?

[@LS-xs7sg]

The fundamental problem the Tories have is that their economic model undercuts the sense of national community that they depend on for votes. They pursue mass immigration in order to grow GDP, lower wages & maintain the housing market. This undermines a common national identity, it makes traditional family formation difficult & it indebts the country to the banks. At some point the small c patriotic conservative types are going to have to recognise that they can't have Thatcherite economics and a genuine national community. What will probably emerge is something akin to Le Penn - right on culture and left on economics.

[@howtoappearincompletely9739]

First comment with any depth of analysis.

[@anon-il9qf]

"They pursue mass immigration" TORIES PURSUE MASS IMMIGRATION? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 delusional leftist in chat kids, point and laugh at him, point and laugh! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mesolithicman164]

A lot of truth. Our recent British Conservatism has been 'everything is for sale'. We are not a shop where the French can come in and buy our Energy production or the Germans buy our motor industry. Conservatism is about conserving the things that work, not selling them off to the (often) lowest bidder. Before privatisation, the trains were affordable and reliable, Hospitals were well run and clean, we had a decent size military, and a worldwide reputation for manufacturing high quality goods. All those entities existed under numerous Conservative governments. So Conservatism is not, by nature, the disaster we've seen played out over the last 40 years. That has been a kind of lunacy that infected Conservatives and Labour. And now we have next to nothing, so we're going to have to start again, or sink forever.

[@anon-il9qf]

@@mesolithicman164 Disagree in that that wasnt conservatism it was concessions to the left and various other factions in UK to keep conservatives in power and avoid rocking any boats. There was no "austerity" and we all wish there'd be, so we can pay less taxes and spend less money on government. There were no right wing economic policies implement (or social ones for that matter).

[@andylewis7360]

Nice to see someone here who isn’t knee-jerking to Marr’s ominous tune like an epileptic can-can dancer. If anyone thinks that the Tories since 2008 were anything but Blairite they have no idea what conservatives actually stand for. And if they’re under 40 that’s hardly surprising.

[@chrishartley4553]

National Conservatives are not really against hedge funds and international banking. Many make use of hedge-funds, make use of tax havens, and draw support from many in the financial sector. Which both would like to see further deregulated. Socially they are very conservative but economically very lassaiz faire. A state that represents its strenght in a big military, aggressive law enforcement enforcing strict social norms. But in every other respect just reduced to rubber-stamping contracts for the private sector. The George Soros things is an anti-semetic dog whistle. And nothing more.

[@epicgamer3560]

It should've been patently obvious to anyone when Trump admitted on live national TV that he commits all sorts of tax fraud because his opponents do too, that this new wave of moronic Rightism doesn't even care about corruption either, only when their enemies are engaged in it. A Right-wing without principles is a very terrifying thing.

[@howtoappearincompletely9739]

Second worthwhile analytic comment.

[@andylewis7360]

Soros is a very dangerous man. Considering the number of far-left DA’s in the USA he’s supported. His Open Societies Foundation is dedicated to the destruction of the USA. Perhaps it’s you who are dog-whistling.

[@MyHahnemann]

Most national conservatives are for dirigiste state intervention in the economy and are anti-laissez faire and neoliberalism

[@MyHahnemann]

No such thing as a anti semitic dog whistle, soros is a globalist neoliberal

[@annemoncrieff3875]

Imagine being Scottish and being subjected to this when u haven't voted outright Tory in 70 yrs and we only have so many in Scottish govnt because of the 2nd part of the vote being similar to por. Tories had 6 seats at first and ended up with 25/6! The little english keep saying there is no majority for breaking up the union but there is. Just Google figures and calculate. Even in Westminster we have majority SNP representing us there. Sick of little english.

[@nickelmouse451]

Imagine being Scottish and being subjected right wingers hosting a conference for other right wingers? Strange comment...

[@RetroGamesCollector]

Authoritarian 😂 Sunak is a WEF and WHO puppet. Nothing more authoritarian than those two.

[@alangeorgehayman4334]

This government we never voted for it is a total mess of politics .

[@adarkimpurity]

You just don't understand Parliamentary procedure- they are all elected MPs

[@wendywolfman]

@@adarkimpurity yup. People are braindead when they say we didn’t vote for them.

[@davebirch1976]

​@@wendywolfman people who go on social media saying "we need a general election, we didn't vote for him to be prime minister" really should find out how the British voting/general elections work, before commenting 😆 I bet they weren't saying that when Gordon Brown was PM.

[@CosmicAeon]

@@davebirch1976 And there certainly isn't the same outcry for Humza to call an election in Scotland. Not only are they ignorant but they're complete hypocrites.

[@nenehermannfoundation1187]

yes, lets all be lectured to by Kier Starmer.

[@wendywolfman]

AUTHORITARIAN. If it’s in capitals, it’s bad guys.

[@fracmental5166]

It is bad though.

[@Rjgxxx]

I'm sorry are you arguing in favor of authoritarianism?

[@andylewis7360]

If we are sliding towards authoritarianism it’ll be at the hands of neoliberals, not conservatives

[@RoganGunn]

@@Rjgxxx I doubt it, but no explanation was given as to how any of this was indeed authoritarian. Just the presumption that anything that isn't explicitly left-wing and woke was by default 'authoritarian.'

[@MyHahnemann]

@@Rjgxxxauthoritarianism is good when the good guys do it

[@Grenbestyie]

Andrew stated they had speackers on stage proclaiming how they were white and proud of it. However, the clip of the woman was her saying "I am white and I don't feel ashamed". THAT, is a very very different statement to what Andrew claimed!

[@douglasrogers3918]

It is a dog whistle though.

[@hannofranz7973]

I don't think it's very different. Nobody has ever discriminated against someone for being white. You may say people have been discriminated against for being Christians by radical muslims possibly but not fot being white. If someone claims "I'm not ashamed of being white", you are insinuating that you have to defend your condition of being white with pride as if you were being attacked for being white. The message is: "You are claiming black pride, I'm claiming white pride." But again: Don't forget that people have been discriminated against for being black, not white!

[@elkpaz560]

@@douglasrogers3918 It's a moderate push back against what white children are being told in schools.

[@audreymcgready4329]

People in this country better wake up.

[@leroysimon5692]

👍🏾

[@odhrangallagher5738]

Louise Perry, another contributor to NS, is speaking at the conference.

[@gavinr4214]

I hear she's advocating for t genocide or womens rights as it used to be called.

[@maggiepie8810]

I can't help thinking what Winston Churchill would've thought of the current state of his Conservative Party.

[@kennymoore6776]

Conservative in name only.

[@DJWESG1]

? New liberalism? Extreme conservativism ??

[@maggiepie8810]

@@DJWESG1 The authoritarian nationalist part of it.

[@maggiepie8810]

@Chris Bloodknot I'm not trying to be rude, but what about whataboutism is one of the least constructive things you can do in a discussion about anything.

[@benbeasant3443]

Don't cry about authoritarianism. People were only too happy to be locked in their homes for a virus!

[@robertallen591]

you mean the national front who now have a solid foothold in the tory party

[@robertallen591]

@Jay Wright i think the xenaphobia speaks for itself, and is driving away descant torries, you need to eject the far right for the national good, e

[@christopherbentley7289]

Over this past week I've been dipping into some of the goings-on at the Reform UK Spring Rally, taking place in my home city of Derby, sadly enough and the awful thought that MAGA-style Christian Nationalism could be making a Transatlantic journey has occurred to me. This appears to back that impression up. What is particularly depressing about this is that I was a mature, part-time undergraduate at the University of Derby in the Nineties as it was promoted to full university status and became known as 'The Friendly European University', which was a fantastic representation of the city and the antithesis of everything for which Reform UK and their allies stand.

[@charleswhite758]

You may remember the country voted by a majority to leave the EU. So Derby Uni can still be "friendly", but now "British" rather than primarily "European". What do you hate so much about your own nation?

[@christopherbentley7289]

@@charleswhite758 In other words, shrinking in on itself and thus being, by implication, less friendly. I hate the fact that, in future, people in this country will no longer be able to benefit from schemes such as COMETT - a perhaps broadly forgotten precursor to Erasmus - which enabled me to complete those studies, in my case, learning land surveying, drawing and documentation techniques as an intern on an archaeological dig in Derby's twin city of Osnabrück. I was studying Geography with German and, although I was primarily a Human Geographer, I wasn't entirely uninterested in the Physical side of Geography, so having the opportunity to learn a skill applicable in Geography while improving my spoken and written German was a superb chance to combine my two subjects. I had also had a couple of summer sessions as a volunteer digger at Crickley Hill, near Cheltenham, just after I'd left school, at the turn of the Seventies to the Eighties, so it was a re-visiting of that experience. Later on in my studies at the UoD, since my Final-Year Project was an investigation into comparing the public transport system in and around Derby with those in and around three cities in Germany of a similar population (Aachen, Hagen and Krefeld), I had a position as an intern with a bus company in Aachen and it was quite an eye-opener to go walking in three countries in one afternoon (Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands). It was a life-changing afternoon and whenever I see British and particularly Little English insularity I despair. We're much better when we're not like that.

[@charleswhite758]

@@christopherbentley7289 I fail to understand your accusation of "shrinking in on itself". Post-Brexit UK has just embraced several global trade relationships. Wikipedia: "As of May 2023, the United Kingdom has 36 active free trade agreements with nations and trade blocs, covering 98 countries and territories. Three of these are 'new' trade agreements: the European Union, Japan, and an enhanced agreement with Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. The remaining 33 are continuity agreements. In addition, two further new agreements, with Australia and New Zealand, are expected to come into force on 31 May 2023. The UK has also reached an agreement to accede to the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership, which it is expected to join in July 2023" Your word "insularity" is from the Latin Insula = island. Britain is an island nation so it is appropriate that we behave as one. That does imply a certain level of detachment from the European Continent, which it is our luxury to be able to effect. Countries on the Continent have no such choice. Do you think France enjoys having land borders with its historic arch enemy Germany? Insularity does not mean retrenchment, it means rather having the luxury of an independent outlook on the world. You are still free to go on an archaeological dig in Osnabrück. It might take a bit more visa-related paperwork. Sir Arthur Evans dug up Knossos a long time before we joined the EU. You may not be able to study in both countries as a combined experience, but you can certainly still study in both successively, again, after a bit more visa paperwork. Are there not thousands of Americans in UK universities and vice-versa? We don't even have a trade deal with the US, but still we exchange many things relatively freely. American students even attend many universities in the EU, without being members. Stop making mountains out of molehills. Brits are still living and working abroad all over the globe, we are a globally-oriented nation, and that will continue as long as we have something to offer the world. I am sure your digging services at Osnabrück were indispensable, and that an invitation to return will be dropping on your door-mat very soon. If not and you were just a deadweight, why would they want you there?

[@christopherbentley7289]

@@charleswhite758 Since you are going to engage in the annoying practice of copying and pasting from Wikipedia in KZbin comments it does appear remarkable how many, proportionally speaking, of those trade agreements are continuity agreements, showing just how little the UK was being 'shackled' by its EU membership in that respect. Also, the benefits of the CPTPP (one has to be careful with that acronym!) are questionable, to say the least, in comparison with what we had as an EU member state. At any rate, it is good that you are conceding that things are not going to be as friction-free for UK students in future, combining living and working/studying in the EU with their studies, as I successfully did. I have been seeing something earlier on the diverging nature of Franco-German relations, but would anybody seriously think that they would go to war over those differences? The general story of those relations since WWII has hardly been the stuff of 'arch enemies', although, of course, the former German Democratic Republic would have been an enemy of France during the Cold War period of that time, strong a presence though the French Communist Party was at the time of Georges Marchais. Finally, I find your remarks at the end incredibly insulting and sarcastic.

[@charleswhite758]

@@christopherbentley7289 OK sorry about my snarky final comments. My point was really that if the UK produces a quality product that other nations cannot do without, no trade barriers will stop us selling that product. Think of Taiwan and micro-chips. It's the same with personal services, if one is useful enough, one will get hired no matter what red-tape seems to stand in the way. Brexit is thus a great spur to bringing us back to efficiency and innovation. Protected markets lead to bad things. The UK was being 'shackled' by its EU membership in so many respects, not just trade. The worst area was in legislation, where we were forced to accept what a majority imposed on us from abroad (Qualified Majority Voting). That was totally unacceptable. Our MPs are still recovering from the psychological experience of being placed in the position of rubber-stampers, and are only slowly regaining their confidence as sovereign legislators. Some reacted with fury (Brexiteers) whilst others displayed the tendency to Stockholm Syndrome. Brexit was never going to be friction-free - not only did we expect punishment from the EU for having had the audacity to leave, but we have to re-learn how to govern ourselves as a sovereign nation. The process could take a decade or more, we were captive for several decades. As Brexit is for 10,000 years, a decade of re-adjustment is not a material time period. Let's get it right. The EU was really something cobbled together to keep the old arch enemies (yes they were!) France and Germany from each other's throat. It seems to be working well in that regard, although it is turning into a rapacious and dictatorial ideological empire, a giant and sinister nanny-state which infantilises its "citizens", possibly something not forseen by its founders. It was never really something we in the UK should have got involved in, as de Gaulle so wisely stated.

[@JaskoonerSingh]

it is fascism

[@adarkimpurity]

Is the National Trust fascist too?

[@erwinz5926]

I agree. And Id add on that Rishi Sunak -politically- is a wolf too. Pushing people in unfair competition on resources. He stands not less for Goldmann Sachs and Co., "Nation", King, god, fatherland... Its just that the altrights would like to benefit from this. Of course not everybody! Them. Like a small child with a Spoon and without any social or ecological considerations. Greed and the believe in the superiority of their own social group.

[@thisisnumber0]

To the left, EVERYTHING is fascism if they don't agree with it. Yawn.

[@fluidjazz]

Jaskooner Singh You sound ridiculous...

[@leroysimon5692]

👍🏾

[@ShopFloorMonkey]

"On the left of politics, you think of Kier Starmer..." Hardly! He is only left in comparison to the Tories, and even then, not by much! None of the pledges he stood for leadership on still stand and he has purged the Left and tons of Jews from the party - with much of the media being completely silent about it, for fairly easy to understand reasons! He wants to further privatise the NHS, doesn't stand with striking workers and will not support PR even though it was overwhelmingly voted through at conference. Starmer is a scam artist!

[@andylewis7360]

Give me examples of Jews who have been purged from Labour by Starmer

[@wordwarrior2350]

When Conservatives speak about "Family values" they don´t mean values like: Compassion, understanding, love, or forgiveness, they mean the religious traditions of a man and a woman. They want Govt. by Biblical laws, not "Rule of Law" and "Everyone is equal under the law". I would like to see the words on US courts say, "In Law We Trust", not, "In God We Trust." This is the 21st. Century.

[@realhorrorshow8547]

I think it's the flip-side of complacency. I hear people say that, when a party's been in power too long, they run out of steam. They lose their edge. Well, certainly the present Tory government has about as much edge as a blancmange. But there's another symptom. When a party has been doing an ever crappier job and getting away with it for too long, the loonies come out. The ones you didn't want to let the electorate get a look at before. Because, what the hell? You've managed to foist an ever more hopeless parade of venomous mediocrity on the country. Why not see just how far you can take it? Really let the dogs out and have a go at doing away with this democracy nonsense altogether.

[@amigos2841]

at least they will lose next elction and if polls are correct the worst defeat ever, Labour aren't perfect but as my nan always said never trust a tory, I find it funny they think that being more right wing will get the publics support but really UK and the majority of citizens are secular or centralist on politics

[@andylewis7360]

@@amigos2841 have you learned nothing from 2019’s “Red wall”? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@peterjones596]

@Jay Wright I think you need to learn what rightwing is, this batch of conservatives are the most rightwing that the country has tolerated for a long time, possibly ever. Banning protest, banning judges from 'the Rwandan process', wanting to rid us of Human Rights... Go look up the meaning of rightwing from many sources, atm you're a political illiterste and only you can change that.

[@peterjones596]

@@andylewis7360 Whether @Amigos28 has learnt anything is neither here nor there, the people of the red wall have, watch it crumble or fall at the next election.

[@amigos2841]

@@andylewis7360 well we all know they would lose then Labour, Corbyn is political Marmite whilst then Johnson was still a popular figure so I wasn't surprised, he was extreme left

[@horatiopelagius8703]

The NatC's are back!

[@entropy5431]

Oh yes that fascist UK that has a brown Prime minister, a brown major of London and a brown First minister of Scotland. Half the cabinet is not white and high levels of immigration. I'm not saying that's bad but calling the UK fascist is a bit ridiculous.

[@mrsmvcheek]

I have heard it said in the mid 80s by the brother of a serving Conservative politician ,that the UK did not need much more than the Financial service sector of London for it’s wealth.That other industries were secondary,and that China was the workshop of the world.I thought then as I do now that people need to be valued no matter their calling.That totally relying on China for manufactured goods did not feel right.especially as China is and was a cruel county to it’s people .The atmosphere of London in the 80s was very vulgar and unpleasant especially in Fulham where we lived.Many people outside London felt that they may at last be listened to by voting for Brexit ,because successive UK governments had for too long ignored them.Not only is there great poverty in parts of Northern England but there is a loss of a way of life.I don’t think we have dangerous right wing nationalism in this country.Most people are horrified by the American politics,especially the gun lobby.It is a mistake to think that any extreme politics would take hold here.I am admiring the French for demonstrating, in the most furious way ,about their pension rights.The French are pleased to be French They are fighting for their way of lifeTheir government for instance would not dare to abandon French fisherman as our government has done..

[@barnham9388]

The French protestors are utterly delusional - they may as well be protesting about the sun coming up in the morning - there is an absolute inevitability to an aging population and greater life expectancy, that you cannot have more people economically inactive and instead drawing on the state for a greater period of time.

[@Only-one-life-68]

Hear hear 😊

[@colinrogers2214]

YOU KNOW WHAT COMING AND SO DOES ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN

[@Only-one-life-68]

@@colinrogers2214 Believe you me it’s scare mongering.. The elite only have wealth and power if civilians are happy and working safely

[@williambelford9661]

NO-ONE with half a brain and a modicum of political nouse would ever describe Keith Starmer to be on the left of politics, right of centre would be a more appropriate description, he is terrified of socialism within the "Labour" Party.

[@alexjeffrey3981]

yup he is a product of the anti-socialist backlash within the labour right in response to Corbyn.

[@howtoappearincompletely9739]

Oh, come on, Marr! White pride is not synonymous with an absence of shame for one's whiteness. Don't misrepresent people. Why should anyone feel either shame or pride for the colour of his/her skin?

[@nobodyspecial6267]

“Power is dangerous. It corrupts the best and attracts the worst. Power is only given to those who are prepared to lower themselves to pick it up”. Ragnar Lothbrok.

[@zbytpewny]

Brain Klass agrees: his book "Corruptable" and talks on it are illuminating

[@minionmememindset7889]

Wow. Really makes you think.

[@andylewis7360]

Never underestimate what a magician will do to trick his audience. Or what a politician ( of any colour ) will do if he thinks it’s in the interests of his career.

[@charleswhite758]

Never 'erd of him. So ...... only Anarchy is good? That seems the only logical conclusion. No thank you.

[@andylewis7360]

@@charleswhite758 Do you prefer corruption ?

[@zoundsic]

"intellectual energy on right." what happened! did they start to think their in a mess ?

[@elkpaz560]

You need to get out of your silo, I have over the last few years and have found that there are in fact significant intellectual figures that do not support global totalitarianism. ('the left")

[@Monklane79]

Thanks for the heads-up, Andrew.

[@drdrm46tube]

A good and fair description. Surely we need some serious pushback from creeping hyperliberalism, neoliberalism, globalisation and grievance politics so what's the concern about this ? What's so wrong with family, civil society, nation and 'Burkean' conservatism ?

[@gavinr4214]

My wifes boyfriend Tyrone said these people are problematic.

[@hawsrulebegin7768]

These are the scary ones and they’ve got their claws into todays Tories.

[@thisisnumber0]

No they haven't, the Tory party has been hijacked by the World Economic Forum. Sunak is their agent, he works for them, not us. He was groomed by the WEF long ago. Trouble is, Starmer is also cosying up to this tyranny now.

[@nanorider426]

@Jay Wright What about the rest of UK?

[@mesolithicman164]

Because 50 years of Progressive Liberalism has really served us well, hasn't it? Everything in this country is screwed. If Liberalism had the right answers we wouldn't be in this existential mess.

[@gracecollins8415]

It's ESG!!! All of a piece, here's a good summary; kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqXZY2NujpZ_a7s

[@dexocube]

@@mesolithicman164 It isn't liberalism that got us here, it's the bloody Tories

[@dexocube]

It's crazy, ten years ago the far right gaining power in the US, Europe and South America would have been pretty much unthinkable. Gerasimov has a lot to answer for.

[@andylewis7360]

It’s a reaction to neoliberalism. They just want to redress the balance

[@ivanivanovic5857]

Not exactly far right. It's just the normal right wing. The left has shifted the overton window so far that to gullible fools, these people seem far right, but the reality is these people believe that there is value in family, value in tradition, and value in borders. Nothing extreme about any of this. There is definitely something extreme about sexually mutilating children though...

[@notvert6020]

it’s not far right

[@pascaledowling6309]

The influence of Murdoch is the core problem

[@A_random_nerd_with_braces]

What specifically do you mean by far right?

[@JLaw954]

The likes of Anderson, Gullis, Braverman, Patel can only flourish in an authoritarian state that regards loyalty to the ideals of elitism as sacrosanct. We must be on our guard against complacency. The power granted to these idiots is real, it is up to the decent and fair-minded majority in the UK to show that we possess the power to resist the fascist thinking of far-right CONservatives. We need to find new ways of being governed by politicians who genuinely care for those less fortunate than themselves. The present govt is trying to outlaw our rights to protest because that has safeguarded democracies the world over for so long. We mustn't let them silence us all.

[@steveosborne2297]

In the same way that Sinn Fein was the political wing of the IRA , the National Conservatives are the political wing of the BNP

[@amp2amp800]

Authoritarianism is the wrong word. Gangsterism is what is planned for us.There will be a backlash because this is existential. Its only a question of when, and if its in time.

[@danielward7008]

Yes, we're run by gangsters running a protection racket. But it's the globalist blob you should be worried about, not the Tory right.

[@gracecollins8415]

It's ESG!!! All of a piece, here's a good summary; kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqXZY2NujpZ_a7s

[@andylewis7360]

Could you explain exactly what you mean by “gangsterism”? What do you see as good examples of it?

[@anon-il9qf]

"Authoritarianism is the wrong word. Gangsterism is what is planned for us." It's not gangsterism to eradicate leftism, go cry about it, preferably in a jail cell Oh and the people who are investigating raab over bullying investigating sunak over "dealings with his wife" are criminal filth who are trying to destabilize democracy. They FOR SURE belong in a prison.

[@WhoDaresWinso7]

​@@andylewis7360 bots don't explain themselves.

[@wordwarrior2350]

Why do we automatically believe in who leaders blame for everything? Don`t they do anything to be blamed for? Are they the only innocent ones? It doesn`t make sense to me. I call them, G.L.B. people. Those who Generalize, Label, and Blame others while excusing themselves.

[@MyHahnemann]

What a silly comment

[@MyHahnemann]

Yes they are the only innocent ones in terms of destroying the pride of country and culture that is correct

[@jillybe1873]

Well timed

[@daz6637]

Thanks, I think I’ll pop along to this.

[@davidfisher92]

'Intellectual energy', yet another triumph of polite euphemism from Andrew Marr...

[@rolyantrauts2304]

Unfortunately there is a huge amount of ''Intellectual energy' in the right who take $ to do the bidding of others. Modern PR and programming of society by creating a persistent environment. Think tanks to consultancies do apply co-ordinated 'Intellectual energy' for big $ payouts, whilst lesser with a soap box are supported and given an agenda and script. From Bexit to Modi the ''Intellectual energy' in the right has never been at such a height and even with total disasters of Bolsonaro and Trump we are seeing an esculation without any polite euphemisms. Watch this space and see how you judge your comment about the dangerous ''Intellectual energy' in the coming decade as its obviously not going away and the left is generally being beaten. The Left generally is in a state of shock, generally unprepared and only making recouping gains after the incompetency of right wing figureheads, but in terms of ''Intellectual energy' they are far ahead.

[@martincollins1805]

A staggerigly innapriate use of intellectual when referring to an exclusive power washer of flattery requiring neither fact or foundation. Like trhe High Viz-ferato bursting from a bubble of delusive backslapping Telegarph pay wall. Chem sex conservative horrorgy! That'sthe closestI come to watching that channel. LOL...not.

[@martincollins1805]

The High Viz Ferato was born in the response as intellectual energy had been 'Had'

[@MrSensible2]

Intellectual energy = dangerously violent fanaticism

[@danielvalmonte2873]

And why should she be ashamed of being white? She didn’t say ‘proud’ (nothing wrong with that either).

[@wordwarrior2350]

In my opinion: Globalism started with having products produced cheaper. First in Japan then in So. Korea and China. The problem was that China used the income from The West to gain power in the region and develop technology taken from the West and moved their influence to Africa, because we didn´t and now to the middle east. We fed them the vitamins that gave them the military power they have today. Note: It was the Telephone Co. That was one of the first to have their answering machines made in China, then the computer industry, although some were smart enough to go to Taiwan. Note: Taiwan was never actually a part of China. Many Chinease people moved there after a failed revolution. It became an independent country in about 1912. It was owned, in the past by The Netherlands and given to China much later. Please go to Google for more information.

[@IM-ei5rb]

Left wing jaundiced narrative from a left wing reporter

[@fitblkpa]

Because it’s not about nationalism. It’s about that word « F » word that dear not say it’s name.

[@nazneenzafar743]

it took me 40 seconds to recognize what F stands for.

[@fitblkpa]

What’s is wrong is what has happened every time mass population groups have gone down that route. Think Europe after the First World War, Rwanda, and to some extent China and Russia atm. It starts with words it ends with people getting killed.

[@oliver2629]

Fascism is hardly nationalism

[@MyHahnemann]

No its not fascism but nationalism is a central tenant fascist ideology. Nationalism + non-Marxist socialism (national syndicalism, corporatism, guild socialism etc) is what fascism is

[@terryloftus3207]

WHY do we always follow the yanks ffs?

[@Kk-bq8sw]

Are they racists and xenophobic? Is there an Oswald Moseley 2nd coming in the pipeline?

[@wordwarrior2350]

Almost everyone wants to have control and/or be an "Authoritarian" That`s why people take entitled positions and others have children or both.They need something, or someone to control to have a sense of power in a world were they are powerless.

[@ianfraser6161]

Definitely do not want National Conservatives having any influence here. Evil.

[@nickelmouse451]

Well, the price you pay for democracy is allowing people of many creeds - even ones you don't like - to have influence...

[@andrewrobinson2565]

Italy has only existed since 1861, so choosing the greatest Italian since Garibaldi is not easy. Who was the Italian guy who co-signed the Treaty of Rome.😊?

[@therealrobertbirchall]

The Vatican has been there for 1,500 years.

[@andrewrobinson2565]

@@therealrobertbirchall It wasn't in Italy. It has been in Italy since 1861. The Second Republic (1994) has 34 languages and dialects. The First Republic was founded in 1948 when the monarchy was abolished.

[@therealrobertbirchall]

@Andrew Robinson I didn't say the Vatican was in Italy. You are right Italy hasn't existed for 1,500 years.

[@andrewrobinson2565]

@@therealrobertbirchall I apologise for inferring your implication. 😀👍 There's a reason they were called the Roman Empire/baths, the Etruscan Empire/helmets and the Venetian Empire/blinds. 🤣

[@phillbt]

much harder for the left to have the same energy without all the funding

[@dermotcasey]

its like watching "The Rise of the Nazis" but in the 21st century

[@JasonLaneZardoz]

Oh do shut up, pearl clutching rubbish. The National Socialist, were socialists, just like the fascists, you should love that, right...more socialism. So I'll educate you by copying from another of my comments I made here. "Fascism, effectively born in Italy. In 1919, National Syndicalist leader Alceste De Ambris wrote the Fascist Manifesto, advocating eight hour work days, a minimum wage, participation of workers in the functions of industry commissions, supporting labor unions, a progressive income tax, and other issues in a document paralleling the Communist Manifesto. In French, a syndicat is a trade union. Fascism is also Trade Unionism, amongst many other things. And no, fascists, including German National Socialist, did not just ban trade unions, they made you join one of their, centrally controlled trade unions. Just like Lenin did!" I'm not going to hold my breath because there really is no accounting for stupidity.

[@markw1413]

Ooh Andrew Marr thinks his view is the only correct view. I'm an artist, I'm an author and I'm a broadcaster...It's all about me me me !

[@divinewind7405]

You're watching it.

[@bertrandrussell894]

@@divinewind7405 Point?

[@JasonLaneZardoz]

@@bertrandrussell894 None.

[@benford3652]

I'm from across the pond. Our "conservatives" (read nationalists) are going over there to encourage your political right to go further right so they can come back home and point and say, "See, they are doing it. It's normal. There's nothing wrong with it." Unfortunately, I think they will keep saying it until violence erputs again

[@KillerBill1953]

If we had a "Right" you may have something to say, but we have centre, Left, and Far left. The latter pair being far more of a threat to the UK people than the almost non-existent Right.

[@rorysmith2415]

​@@KillerBill1953 the right support the elites. The left suport the working class and poor.

[@jamiemobilerepairnow5968]

Don't threaten me with a good time

[@Nbomber]

The left has committed far more violence, recently and historically.

[@cobaltcorsair592]

​@@KillerBill1953Have you considered the possibility that you might have dyslexia? It's common for those with the condition to have difficulty telling the difference between left and right. The current iteration of Labour have repeatedly tried to claim to be the party of business, refuses to offer even the slightest amount of support to striking essential workers, and is in favour of privatising the NHS, all economically right-wing positions. They're not much better socially, given their indifference to the severe transphobia of the tories, and their own attacks on refugees who are trying to escape death or tyranny abroad and don't seem to realise how awful things are here as well. The Conservative party, on the other hand, collaborate with American and Russian klepetocrats alike, have tried to sell off the NHS just as they did with every other public service, have antagonised half of Europe, continue to attack essential workers in order to protect shareholder's profits, been accused (with actual, solid evidence, unlike the smear campaigns against the left) of every form of bigotry under the sun, use refugees and transgender people as scapegoats to distract the public from the parties own failings, continually break laws that they themselves implemented, are rife with corruption, have left a tenth of the population in poverty, have constructed literal concentration camps, and *have literally tried to make protesting illegal*. The lib dems exist, I guess? But they haven't done much besides fix potholes so I don't have much to say about them. If this dire situation looks even remotely left-wing to you, then you're either delusional or a fascist.

[@ANobodyatall]

Authoritarian? Pot, kettle...'diversity'!

[@MrRoundTree903]

Which is why we need the right to not be authoritarian.

[@Rich_H_1972]

Sounds a lot like fascism, doesn't it.

[@joshbarkley4403]

Sounds and looks surprisingly like national socialism...

[@roderickjoyce6716]

if it looks like a duck ...

[@oliver2629]

Hardly

[@revbenf6870]

Profoundly disturbing. We really really really don't need to go down the American road with evangelical nonsense and hyper polarised politics. Britain seems to have done much better in the past when bucking trends elsewhere and sticking to evidence, tolerance, enlightenment. As much as I fear the hard left, I almost fear the hard right even more!!

[@revbenf6870]

@Jay Wright those who don't learn from history are destined to keep repeating it. Or words to that effect, Churchill. It really isn't what we need, ever.

[@nanorider426]

@Jay Wright Here botbotbot. Here botbotbot. Who is a good bot?

[@skymanifest8339]

@@revbenf6870 Churchill is responsible for more deaths than Mussolini. Far more. In fact, I don't recall Mussolini starving three million Bangladeshis to death. So can we cease with the tedious Boomer worship of Churchil, please? He *was* an actual racist psychopath.

[@howtoappearincompletely9739]

@@revbenf6870 Third sensible comment in this section.

[@TimesFM4532]

You think theyd uses the Slogan “put the great back in Great Britain”

[@DickusCopernicus]

I think when these Conservatives talk of Britain, they really mean England.

[@micksmithson6724]

Its like the 1930s all over again. :(

[@hvhvgitaar]

Reminds me of those other national something-ists emerging in Germany about 100 years ago.

[@PeterCamberwick]

That'd be the socialists.

[@oliver2629]

You obviously don't understand nazism then

[@gracegood3661]

“Intellectual energy”? We are talking about this Tory government yes?

[@kanedaio]

Rare instance of someone in the media acknowledging the neoliberal consensus of thatcher, major, blair, Cameron, may and Johnson. Then he called keir "left". Oh well.

[@sheppy101]

It will be Burn The Books soon

[@albertbrammer9263]

Will be book bans first. The difference to the USA is currently our Courts are largely independent.

[@adarkimpurity]

The neo-left are already doing that in many forms.

[@roderickjoyce6716]

"Dort wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschen". - Heinrich Heine.

[@EliteBuildingCompany]

What was in the books they burned?

[@umwhatthistime]

Thatcher's long shadow

[@normanchristie4524]

Simple....vote all of them out.

[@PifflePrattle]

National Conservatism sounds a bit like national socialism without the socialism. Which come to think of it is what the NAZIs were after eliminating the socialist component on the night of the long knives.

[@PiOfficial]

The nazis never eliminated socialism it was embedded in the politics.

[@RoganGunn]

So... the _opposite_ of National Socialism then? 🤔 The Night of the Long Knives was a consolidation of power, with the main aim of destroying the SA (aka brownshirts). It also wiped out conservative elements as well as leftist ones. Quote from the Wiki, emphasis mine: "Leading members of the leftist-leaning Strasserist faction of the Nazi Party, including its leader Gregor Strasser, were also killed, *as were establishment conservatives and anti-Nazis,* such as former Chancellor Kurt von Schleicher and Bavarian politician Gustav Ritter von Kahr, who had helped suppress Hitler's Munich Beer Hall Putsch in 1923." The mid-century Germans were avowedly socialist, I think bad moustache man even says as much in his, er, "struggle' book. (Can't say for certain because I haven't read the damn thing myself!) Also, "sounds like" is a terrible argument. "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" _sounds_ democratic, doesn't it? 😐 (Spoiler: It's not. That's the official name of North Korea.)

[@oliver2629]

Nazis were far left, hardly nationalists and definitely not one for a free market, they were collectivists not individualists

[@PiOfficial]

@@oliver2629 Nazis were textbook nationalists. Just because you are left wing doesn’t mean you can’t be nationalist. Just look at china today.

[@PifflePrattle]

​@@oliver2629 Like your own comment or did some other idiot read and like your drivel? Are you a USA citizen? It would require a Mississippi level miseducation to believe the NAZIs to be to the left. Are you also telling us Mussolini was to the left? You'll be telling me that the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is a democracy next. It has the word democratic in its name so it must be. Just as the NAZI party sports the word socialist. Hitlers Germany must be identical to social democratic Norway. Most people act individually and collectively. Thoughtful people who might otherwise disagree on important issues understand that dichotomies are usually false. Especially taken to extremes. Hence only right wing libertarians divide the population into collectivists and individualists. And narcissists, but I repeat myself. Human reality is more like a team game in that a good game employs individual and collective means. A soccer team full of strikers all trying to score themselves rather than passing the ball to a better placed player will lose to a balanced team with players helping each other to achieve the goal. The fact that there are people over fifteen years old who need this damned obvious fact pointed out with a clear analogy is ridiculous but here we are. Ultimately it's a contest between extreme positions. One where every detail of the economy is planned. The other where the economy is allowed to wonder freely with zero planning. Neither work well. You end up with Somalia or the Soviet Union. Choose your hell. Though it looks like wealthy Americans plump with fossil fuel riches are going to have fun at our expense by bamboozling us to select corrupt politicians to take Britain into a position where the aristocracy (old and new) will live a free and rich life while the rest of us survive on whatever crumbs they might condescend to drop our way. No doubt along with an exhortation to get a job or second job or work harder or perform magic with bootlaces etc.

[@andypeutherer4218]

Andrew you and your chums created all this doom, no getting out of it now... we remember!

[@audreymcgready4329]

He has a short memory.

[@doneasneakyonya]

Hey Andrew, have you never heard the expression “the contradictions of fascism”?

[@andylewis7360]

If you think this is fascism you’re so far to the left that you don’t know what a conservative is.

[@MyHahnemann]

Fascism has nothing to do with conservatism, fascism is revolutionary and anti reactionary

[@garethbater6900]

National Conservatives - the dark road to fascism.

[@kieran10202]

"You should love your country above all else... but of course, don't look at it too hard." Ever since it became clear that the Tories couldn't get the country out of debt, they've been unable to win elections without a scapegoat for the problems they cause. They turned to brexit because UKIP was thriving on their rhetoric, and this is just the latest wave of that phenomenon.

[@markhoney3044]

Depression for the 2020s, Nazis back for the 2030s. Can we stop them early this time?

[@elipa3]

You cant undo international trade, even if you want to. No country can serve only its people, and abolish international trade. Imagine living in the UK, and having no trade with other countries. The economy would crash immediately. Even we in the EU do trade with the rest of the world. The benefits of the single market and the customs Union is just for EU members. Other countries form trade unions too. They may as well form political unions in the length of the time.

[@Monkey-fv2km]

No-one wants to undo international trade, people just want less reliance on it. Ok some people want to, but they're economically illiterate, and will probably settle for an increase in national control. Either way globalism is currently in decline due to circumstances beyond people's political desires.

[@mesolithicman164]

As we saw during Covid, we have lost the kind of manufacturing base any country needs to remain safe. When you can't manufacture your own face masks or make your own antibiotics you are in a precarious situation. And that's where we are. You can't import everything. It only seemed that way because China was willing to force its people onto factories because it wanted the money to exert its influence into virtually every country in the world. It also gave them the ability to steal copyrighted technology of Western products. Our greed enabled China to become the number one threat to the West. A terrible strategic mistake.

[@Starstung]

@Jay Wright It would crash and stay crashed for decades, sugarplum. Oil, gas, uranium, RE metals, microchips, unseasonal food are all imported and can't be substituted.

[@mach489i]

National Conservatives? I prefer the more appropriate abbreviated form: Nat C's

[@julieproud4305]

Thanks for letting us know, unlike the BBC.

[@fredmercury1314]

*Every other country seems to be fine to have nationalism.* The Labour Party, who clearly hate Britain and any form of British nationalism, were very happy to put hands on hearts and sing the Ukraine national anthem, while waving Ukraine flags, while also claiming the Labour Party conference looked like the BNP because they have a Union flag in the backdrop. It's far beyond time we brought back British nationalism. This is a great country, with a great history, and (what used to be) a great culture and values. This is not something to be ashamed of, it's something to be celebrated. Britain, England, have made enormous contributions to the world, for the betterment of all, and we should be proud of and celebrate those contributions. Anyone who thinks otherwise... you're free to leave.

[@Prince_of_Saint_Domingue]

Thank you from Canada 🇨🇦

[@danielspillett5393]

and don't forget that the labour anthem is a communist anthem the red flag and as a cold war veteran i could never vote for a party who anthem is a communist one communism has killed treble what the national socialist german workers party ever did the chinese communist party over 75 million dead by it's self

[@daleyoung4710]

Imagine wanting to control peoples speech and thought and then having the audacity to claim it's the conservatives who are authoritarian.

[@teddansonLA]

Anyone who thinks otherwise is also free to stay, and challenge this lazy backwards looking mindset you have embraced.

[@teddansonLA]

@@danielspillett5393 The labour party anthem is socialist, not communist. _communism has killed treble what the national socialist german workers party ever_ The Nazis did theirs in about 6 years - they had only just begun.

[@ahmedsenussi8232]

This Country has become a scary 😨 place since Brexit

[@LionelBeck_Riverman]

This is a stark warning that we should take on board. Too many people confuse the words 'Patriotism' and 'Nationalism'. The former is honourable, the latter is invariably ugly: feeding the uneducated who yearn to 'follow' something or someone, and leading ultimately to an enslaved populace.

[@MyHahnemann]

Nationalism is beautiful

[@LionelBeck_Riverman]

@@MyHahnemann In what way?

[@Alltheworldneedsajolt]

Starmer on the left? Give me a break 😂

[@Srikstar]

Sounds like 1936 Germany again!! (quoting Gary Linekar)

[@PeterCamberwick]

Yeah, that's someone worth quoting.

[@oliver2629]

Shows how far left the country has gone then don't it

[@adblocker276]

It is spelled National Front - they will correct the spelling in a few years time.

[@SomnathMazumder370]

The good news is there is still time for Andrew and Richard to colour coordinate their ties.. Green on Green... Pink on Pink...

[@LukesEnglishPodcast]

Facism

[@victoriastone2975]

Terrifying - thanks for the information Andrew!

[@debrajjones2589]

And people like you have empowered them.

[@andypeutherer4218]

Precisely just a new wage of lbc now etc... horrible cretin